1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: This is Life in Crimes. I'm Laura Plassella standing in 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: for Andrew Ruhle, who's on assignment. I'm joined by my 3 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 1: colleague at The Herald's son, Myles Prust, to continue discussing 4 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: one of the most compelling trials that we've seen in 5 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 1: recent years. If you've missed our previous bonus episodes, the 6 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 1: case centers on the deaths of Russell Hill and Carol Clay, 7 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: an elderly couple who were camping in a remote area 8 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: called the Wanngata Valley in Victoria's North. The man accused 9 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: of their murder is former Jetstar pilot Greg Lynn. He 10 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: is standing trial in the Supreme Court, where this week, 11 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: for the first time, the jury has heard from mister 12 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: Lynn himself, his story in his words. This episode will 13 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: unpack mister Lynn's three hour record of interview with police 14 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: as the prosecution finish presenting their case. Hi, Myles, thank 15 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: you so much for joining us. 16 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 2: He's Laura, good to be here. 17 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: So can you give our listeners an overview of the 18 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: trial over the last seven days? 19 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 2: Yep. So we had a few more forensic and police 20 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 2: experts up dealing with things like ballistics and blood splatter. 21 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 2: But the major thing that has happened has been a 22 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 2: portion of Greg Lynn's record of interview being shown. 23 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: To the jury. So can you explain what a record 24 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: of interview actually is? 25 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 2: So a record of interview is a formal interview police 26 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 2: have with a suspect that usually takes place at a 27 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 2: police station. It can be used in court at a 28 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 2: later date and it's you know, it's recorded as well, 29 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 2: there's a video or it's taped. 30 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: So in the context of mister Lynn's case, he was 31 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: arrested and brought to a police station, that's right. 32 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 2: So he was arrested in November twenty twenty one, about 33 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 2: eighteen months after the alleged murders took place. He was 34 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 2: taken to Sale police station in Gippsland and he was 35 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 2: interviewed there by two Missing Person Squad detectives, Brett Florence 36 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 2: and Daniel Passingham. 37 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: So let's dive in there. What was said in the 38 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: record of interview by mister Lynn. 39 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 2: So the way it was shown in court, it was 40 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 2: basically split into two portions on about I think an 41 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 2: hour and a half or so was played and that 42 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 2: is essentially mister Lynn giving his account of the deaths 43 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 2: that happened, So it's mostly him running through. It started 44 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 2: off with him talking about his camping trip and when 45 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 2: he left home and the different dates and so on, 46 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 2: and then moving into what happened between mister Hill and 47 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 2: missus Clay, and then just sort of one big story 48 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 2: that he's given to police, and then another portion was 49 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 2: played the next day on Tuesday. And that's more so 50 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 2: when police started questioning him about different parts of his story. 51 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 2: It sort of jumped from place to place, but all 52 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:42,239 Speaker 2: sorts of questions about where the confrontation took place, questions 53 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 2: about his firearm, so just sort of actually questioning his story, 54 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 2: I guess. 55 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: So let's take it from the beginning. What does mister 56 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: Lynn say happened that night? 57 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 2: So he starts off by drawing a map of Bucks 58 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 2: Camp and showing where his camp was in relation to 59 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:02,079 Speaker 2: mister Hill and Missus Clay. He told the detectives he 60 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 2: would have preferred to have the site to himself, but 61 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 2: he had pretty friendly interactions with a couple on the 62 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 2: first night. He spoke with mister Hill the next morning, 63 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 2: this is the Friday, the twentieth of March twenty twenty, 64 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 2: where he said the retiree revealed to him that they 65 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 2: were in the area to remember a friend who'd been 66 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 2: killed deer hunting. Mister Lynn then said he went hunting 67 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 2: and later that day he heard a buzzing around his head. 68 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 2: He thought it might have been some bees or wasps, 69 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:33,679 Speaker 2: and he could see there was a drone flying above him. 70 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 2: He returns to camp later on he sees mister Hill 71 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 2: with a drone. Mister Lynn told police that he sat 72 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 2: and thought about the drone for a bit, but he 73 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 2: eventually decided to approach mister Hill and ask him about it. 74 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 2: So he said he approached mister Hill at the other 75 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 2: camp site and mister Hill had told him he did 76 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 2: not like deer hunters, and he had video footage of 77 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 2: mister Lynn with a firearm close to the camp site 78 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 2: and he'd be taking that to police. Mister Lynn said 79 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 2: he told him that was ridiculous, and he thought the 80 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 2: purpose of what mister Hill was doing was he just 81 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 2: wanted him to go. He wanted the area to himself. 82 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 2: So mister Lynn says he returns to camp and he 83 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 2: turned up the stereo on his car and he opens 84 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 2: all the doors and that's to annoy obviously, the camp 85 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 2: is nearby Hour's lady. He says, it's dark. Mister Lynn 86 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 2: said he heard some rustling near the back of his 87 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 2: car and he sees mister Hill walking away with his 88 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 2: shotgun and a magazine of ammunition. So what happens next, 89 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 2: mister Lynne he told police this in his interview. He 90 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 2: acknowledged like it was illegal for him not to have 91 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 2: it locked up, but he says he confronts mister Hill. 92 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 2: He follows him and says, you know, give it back. 93 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 2: What are you doing, and mister Hills tells him, I'm 94 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 2: taking it to police. He then claims mister Hith cocked 95 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,679 Speaker 2: the firearm and the fired a couple of rounds into 96 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 2: the air, which prompted mister Lynd to duck for cover 97 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 2: behind mister Hill's land cruisers. So by this time he's 98 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 2: followed him to the other campsite, to mister Hill and 99 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 2: missus Clay's camp sig. He says he did that because 100 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 2: he thought he might cop the next shot, and then 101 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 2: he says the safest thing for him to do is 102 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 2: try and get the weapon back, and so he grabs 103 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 2: the barrel of the gun and they're wrestling over it. Basically, 104 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 2: mister Hill and mister Lynne, and then he actually took 105 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 2: a deep breath at this part of the interview and 106 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 2: explains there's an accidental discharge which goes through the side 107 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:26,239 Speaker 2: mirror of mister Hill's land cruiser and strikes missus Clay 108 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 2: in the head, so she was obviously there as well. 109 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 2: He later says that she was in her pajamas and 110 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 2: that she was yelling out for Russell to stop it. 111 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 2: He says, then mister Hill drops the gun, which enables 112 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 2: mister Lynn to take it back to his campsite and 113 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 2: out of harm's way, and then he says it takes 114 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 2: them a minute to get back to the camp and 115 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 2: then he sees mister Hill charging towards him holding a knife, 116 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 2: saying she's dead. He says, mister Hill attacks him and 117 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 2: he's able to block one of his punches, and they 118 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 2: have a wrestle. Anding that wrestle, mister Hill falls onto 119 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 2: the ground and the knife plunges into his chest. He says, 120 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 2: he rolled over and he got off him, and he 121 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 2: could see mister Hill was drooling a little bit, and 122 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 2: then he stopped moving and he checked for a pulse 123 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 2: and he was clearly dead, is what he said. 124 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: Did he then go and check on missus Clay. 125 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:19,799 Speaker 2: He did say he went and checked on Missus Clay, 126 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 2: but she was dead as well. And then he said 127 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 2: he just panicked because he thought he would be blamed. 128 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 2: The quote was, I panicked and I thought, you know, 129 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 2: it's my shotgun. One person dad, He's dead. Now I'm 130 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 2: going to be found guilty of this. So he decides 131 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 2: to then torch the campsite, pack up his own camp, 132 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 2: grab their bodies, and flee. He spoke a bit about 133 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 2: how he did that. He put some of their belongings 134 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 2: into the tent and used a gas bottle to ignite 135 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 2: their tent and that actually flared and that's left scorch 136 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 2: marks on the land cruiser. He's then driven them to 137 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 2: a spot called Union Spurred Truck, which is where he 138 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 2: dumped their bodies. He said he only covered them with 139 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:02,679 Speaker 2: six it wasn't super well hidden. And then he's returned 140 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 2: home and he obviously doesn't tell anyone about this. 141 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 1: So just to be clear, this is mister Lynn's version 142 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 1: of events, Is that right? 143 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 3: That's right. 144 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 2: This is mister Lynn's account that he gave police, which 145 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 2: is all disputed by the prosecution. They say he murdered them. 146 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 2: Just to set the scene a little bit more for you. 147 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 2: So this is playing in the Supreme Court on a 148 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 2: big screen that's above an area in the court reserve 149 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 2: for the media, which is opposite the jury box. The 150 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 2: lights are dimmed while it's playing, and the video footage 151 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 2: actually shows mister Lynn seated at a desk in sudden 152 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 2: interview room. There's not much to see in the room itself, 153 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 2: just looks like a sort of white room. He's seated 154 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 2: at a desk, he's wearing a gray jumper, he's got 155 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 2: a mask on, he's got glasses on, and you can't 156 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 2: actually see the detectives who are seated opposite him out 157 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 2: of you. 158 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: So he's run and center. That's right. So in the 159 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: context of the court room, mister Lynn's in the dock. 160 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: Is he watching his record of interview? 161 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 2: That's correct. So mister Lynn is watching all of this 162 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 2: unfold while he's in the dock, which is up at 163 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 2: the back of the court. He's watching it on the 164 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 2: screens like everyone else. Miss Linne hasn't shown too much emotion. 165 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 2: I don't think this trial he hasn't given away much. 166 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 2: He's often just taking notes or intently listening on. But 167 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 2: there were portions of this three and a half hour 168 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 2: roughly how long it went. This interview where he's watching 169 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 2: himself discuss why he made the decisions he made, particularly 170 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 2: around covering the body's up and destroying evidence and that 171 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 2: sort of thing. And while he's watching himself speak about 172 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 2: this to police, he actually bowed his head and looked 173 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 2: down for parts of it. 174 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: So it's March twenty twenty, it's the start of the pandemic, 175 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 1: and Lynn is returning home Bromby's camping trip to his wife. 176 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 2: Yeap, So miss Lynne told detectives a little bit about 177 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 2: as he returned from the camping trip. He spoke to 178 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 2: his wife on the phone. This is just before we 179 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 2: went into the first lockdown, and she was saying, you 180 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 2: can't buy toilet paper, you can't buy cleaning stuff. It's 181 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 2: absolute pandemonium out there. He said. When he returned home, 182 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 2: she didn't ask anything about the camping trip, you know, 183 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 2: there was just too much going on. Camping wasn't her 184 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 2: thing anyway, and that was a bit of a relief 185 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 2: to him, and that way he was able to just 186 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 2: sort of pretend nothing happened. And the way mister Lyne 187 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 2: explained this detectives is he just wanted to pretend he 188 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 2: covered it up. He's gone home and he's just gonna 189 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 2: try and forget about it and try and live a 190 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 2: normal life. Under questioning when they sort of questioned his 191 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:33,439 Speaker 2: story a little bit, he said he was making quick 192 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,559 Speaker 2: decisions to try and get the best outcome, which is 193 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 2: what he did as a pilot. And he said when 194 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 2: he dumped the bodies near Union Sper Track, he didn't 195 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 2: cover them up that well, and the object was not 196 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 2: to make them disappear, as it was to make me disappear. 197 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 2: And so he said that was his plan going forward, 198 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 2: but his plan quickly unraveled. So in July twenty twenty, 199 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 2: this is a few months after the couple disappeared, I 200 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 2: think around the time we've come out of lockdown, just 201 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 2: before we've got into the second one, police pay him 202 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 2: a visit to his home, and this is because they've 203 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,199 Speaker 2: linked him through as we've spoke about in earlier episodes, 204 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 2: the traffic cameras out up at Mount Hotham, and so 205 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 2: when that happens, he realizes, this is what he tells 206 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 2: police that the first option of making himself disappear hasn't worked, 207 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 2: and so he says he needs to make the evidence disappear, 208 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 2: and this is when he decides to return to Union 209 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 2: Spur track. Quote. He said, I steeled myself the task 210 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 2: and allowed myself one night to do it. Then returned 211 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 2: to the site in November twenty twenty, where he found 212 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 2: the remains, he says, decomposed and missus Clay missing a 213 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 2: large section of her head. Remember, he says she was 214 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 2: accidentally shot in the head with a shotgun. He says 215 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 2: he uses a small amount of fuel of kerosene and 216 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:55,079 Speaker 2: sticks to light the remains on fire, and he tells 217 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 2: the police it was a horrific thing to deal with. 218 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 2: I was sick several times. He also said he thought 219 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 2: a wild dog had interfered with the remains, which he 220 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 2: described as gruesome, and police also ask him what made 221 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 2: you throw up? And he said the smell, the memories, 222 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 2: the task at hand that I had to do. But 223 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 2: I just thought, it's one night, I've got to do it, 224 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 2: finish it, and then it's done. He said he started 225 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 2: the fire at sunset and it burned until sunrise. 226 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 1: So at this point did mister Lynn tell the detectives 227 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: where the remains were. 228 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,199 Speaker 2: So in the first portion of the interview, which is 229 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 2: where he sort of just runs through the whole story 230 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 2: and gives the dates chronologically, he does, at the end 231 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 2: of that portion tell them where they can find the remains. 232 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 2: He actually asks to use Google Earth. I think he's 233 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 2: provided that on a laptop. We can't see the screen, 234 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 2: but he's provided a laptop and he actually pinpoints the 235 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 2: location of where they can find the remains. And so 236 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 2: that was the end of that portion of the interview. 237 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 2: The detectives pause their interview as well, and they actually 238 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 2: go out to the site that he's told them to 239 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 2: go and look for the remains, and they actually take 240 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 2: a two videos of the area he's described and send 241 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 2: it back to a colleague at Sale Police who shows 242 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 2: it to him and he can provide further direction of 243 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 2: where the remains were. They return later that afternoon and 244 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:15,559 Speaker 2: the interview recommences. And when the interview recommences, that's when 245 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 2: the detectives start going through his story in finding detail 246 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 2: and questioning him about different parts of his story, such 247 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 2: as where each other's hands were in relation to the 248 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 2: firearm when it accidentally discharged, and how the firearm worked 249 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 2: and those sort of granular questions. 250 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 1: Were there any interesting details that came out of his answers? 251 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 2: Well, he spoke a little bit more about the scuffle 252 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 2: or the initial confrontation with mister Hill. He said, he's 253 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 2: just trying to have fun in bed, and I was 254 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:51,959 Speaker 2: playing the music that he didn't like loud and he's 255 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 2: lost his temper. So that's mister Lynn talking about mister Hill. 256 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 2: I'm not sure exactly what he went by have fun 257 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:00,559 Speaker 2: in bed, but I'm sure our listeners having an imagination. 258 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 2: Mister Link claim mister Hill took his shotgun and fired 259 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 2: it not at him, but over his head. When he 260 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 2: tried to get it back, he said he ran into 261 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 2: the shadow behind mister Hill's car. He said they were 262 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 2: both wearing pajamas and barefoot, so that's why he thought 263 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 2: they were in bed after the confrontation, and that both 264 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 2: campers are dead. He said he took cash from their wallets. 265 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 2: He said he wasn't a thief, but he didn't want 266 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 2: to use credit cards. He just wanted to use the 267 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 2: cash to pay for fuel as he returned home. And 268 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 2: he also admitted cleaning the firearm to get rid of 269 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 2: any evidence that would link him to the deaths, and 270 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 2: this is what he said. It was one option for 271 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 2: a glimmer of hope to a normal life, but it 272 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 2: hasn't panned. 273 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 3: Out that way. 274 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: But the detectives didn't just ask miss de Lynne only 275 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: about the night of the deaths. Did they also ask 276 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: him about the months afterwards? They did. 277 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 2: They ask all sorts of questions. They asked him what 278 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 2: he did in the months after, things about how he's 279 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 2: holding up emotionally, what was his reaction and when police 280 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 2: arrived on his doorstep in July twenty twenty. Once the 281 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 2: police started questioning about his story, jumped from place to place. 282 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 2: One of the things mister Lyne revealed was he himself 283 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 2: was increasingly paranoid in the lead up to his arrest, 284 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 2: and he told them he thought he was on the 285 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 2: police radar. He questioned whether they had enlisted some of 286 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 2: his colleagues and an associate from a sports club to 287 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 2: elicit answers from him about mister Hill and missus Clay's disappearance. 288 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 2: He also was asked about a sixty Minutes episode this 289 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 2: aired in November twenty twenty one, shortly before he was arrested, 290 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 2: in which there was a special episode about the missing campers. 291 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 2: In that program that they actually showed images of mister 292 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 2: Lynn's forward drive as it passed the traffic camera Mount Hotham. 293 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 2: You couldn't see the number play, but you could see 294 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 2: it was his car, and also a sketch image by 295 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 2: police of his car. And they asked him, you know, 296 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 2: how did that make him feel? And that's when he said, 297 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 2: all I already knew I was on your radar. He 298 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 2: spoke about how it was a bit like being on 299 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 2: The Truman Show, you know, which is a reference to 300 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 2: that nineties film about it. Oh but Jim Carrey, Yeah, 301 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 2: about a guy whose whole life is the premise of 302 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 2: a TV show, but he doesn't know it. He said 303 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 2: that because people were saying odd things to him. He says, 304 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 2: for example, he said, the president of the Little Rivers 305 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 2: Raiders Club, which we heard later in court is a 306 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 2: shooting club that mister Lynn was a member of. That 307 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 2: president had taken an unusual interest in him, often calling 308 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 2: him and sending him messages. Detectives told him they had 309 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 2: spoken to him but only a week earlier, and mister 310 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 2: Lynn said, well, he's a lovely guy. Maybe I'm just paranoid. 311 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 2: Maybe he's just friendly. Then he also spoke about a colleague, 312 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 2: a manager at Jetstar, who he said he thought didn't 313 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 2: like him very much, and you know, he thought maybe 314 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 2: they'd enlisted him to try and get some information out 315 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 2: of him. 316 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: We've spoken about police paying mister Lynn a visit in 317 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: July twenty twenty. Did they question him about that? 318 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 2: The police asked him about the July twenty visit when 319 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 2: the detectives came to his home. Mister Lynn said he 320 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 2: might have see him calm on the outside, but he 321 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 2: was panicking internally. Asked whether he should have come forward 322 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 2: at that point, he said it was too late by then. 323 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 2: And that's the visit where police actually noticed his knis 324 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 2: and patrol had been repainted from a dark gray navy 325 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 2: to a lighter color of beige, and they asked a 326 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 2: bit about that. They asked why he did it. He 327 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 2: said the obvious reason, of course, is the police were 328 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 2: looking for it, but it also needed a new coat. 329 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 2: He said he just used paint that he had at 330 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 2: his home in his garage. And for the first time 331 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 2: we saw a photo of miss Lynn actually repainting the car. 332 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 2: So we heard in court that this photo was taken 333 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 2: by mister Lynn's wife as he's repainting, and it shows 334 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 2: him I think about the passenger side door with a 335 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 2: roller like a paint roller, in the middle of painting 336 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 2: his car. And that photo was taken by his wife. 337 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 2: And then police had that photo after his arrest and 338 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 2: they seized his wife's phone and got it from there. 339 00:16:57,680 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: So how did the record of interview ultimately? 340 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 2: And so at the end of the interview, the detectives 341 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 2: tell mister Lynn they're going to charge him with murder. 342 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 2: He says he understands that, and then they go do 343 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 2: you have anything to say about the charges? And he says, 344 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 2: I'm innocent of murder. I haven't behaved well, I've made 345 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 2: some poor decisions, but murder, as I understand it, I'm 346 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 2: innocent of. 347 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: So we have spoken a lot about the record of interview, 348 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: but were there any other highlights from court? 349 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 2: So last week we had some other police experts up 350 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 2: with a forensic officer called Mark Jilatte. He's a specialist 351 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 2: in blood stained pattern analysis. So he's the guy who 352 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 2: goes to a crime scene and analyzes bloodstains and sees 353 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 2: what you can tell from it. And he got grilled 354 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 2: and cross examination. It wasn't pretty. He just got torn 355 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 2: apart really by Dermit Dan, the defense barrister, and that's 356 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 2: because he mentioned something called a vacuum theory. So he 357 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 2: examined mister Lynn's shotgun and he examined the inside barrel 358 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 2: of it, and he spoke a bit about this vacuum theory, 359 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 2: which is essentially, if the gun is discharged at close 360 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 2: to someone, blood can actually suck back in. Mister Dan 361 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 2: was not happy that this got spoken about during his evidence. 362 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 2: He during cross examination took him to task and basically 363 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 2: accused him of colluding with the prosecution to bring this 364 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:20,439 Speaker 2: theory into evidence. Mister gladly was not a ballistics expert, 365 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 2: so really probably wasn't qualified to speak about this theory. 366 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:28,439 Speaker 2: Mister Dan called it half baggs, accused him of lying, 367 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 2: asked him if he had a bad memories, if he 368 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 2: couldn't remember different conversations he had with the prosecution, and 369 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 2: also accused him of breaching the rules of evidence, a 370 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 2: procedure relating to expects evidence really being that he was 371 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 2: not qualified to give it an opinion on a theory, 372 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 2: nor was it relevant to the case. And that's something 373 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 2: he conceded so it was pretty brutal. I'm not sure 374 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 2: exactly how long he's up on the stand for, but yeah, 375 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 2: it was tense. There were quite a few tense exchanges. 376 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: Can you explain to our listeners why mister Dan was 377 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: so upset that there was this reference to the vacuum theory. 378 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 2: So mister Lyne's account is Missus Clay was accidentally shot 379 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 2: in the head from about three or four meters away, 380 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 2: So this vacuum theory it goes against his account. It 381 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 2: wouldn't work from three or four meters distance. 382 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 1: So for the last couple of weeks we've been ending 383 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: our episodes on a lighter note, but I think this 384 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 1: week we might end on a cliffhanger. Miles, can you 385 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: tell us the final witness to be called? 386 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 2: Well? On Wednesday afternoon, the prosecution closed its case after 387 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:34,360 Speaker 2: the evidence of Detective Brett Florence finished and mister Dan 388 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 2: Deermit Dan, the defense barrister got up and said the 389 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 2: defense only had one witness and that would be mister 390 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 2: Lynn himself. So by the time you're listening to this 391 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 2: on Thursday tomorrow, mister Lynn will likely be on the stand. 392 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 2: He's expected to be in the witness Box from about 393 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 2: ten to fifteen am on Thursday. 394 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much, Miles. There will be another 395 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 1: regular episode on Saturday, and we'll be back next week 396 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: with another bonus episode outlining all the latest in the trial. 397 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 1: But Miles will be in court every day, so be 398 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 1: sure to check the Herald Sun website for our live 399 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:08,439 Speaker 1: coverage and the paper for his daily updates. 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