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Speaker 1: Five Double A Knights with Matthew pantalas well. Yesterday there

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Speaker 1: was a Facebook post on the Leviva page, the le

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Speaker 1: Feva Peninsula page talking about an incident at Ocean View

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Speaker 1: High School and the parents concerned about what had happened,

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Speaker 1: and the comments go on about a brawl at the school,

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Speaker 1: one student allegedly bashing another. Channel seven today ran this

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Speaker 1: story about it.

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Speaker 2: Teenager has been arrested over a schoolyard fight at Taparu.

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Speaker 2: Teachers shielded the police car as officers drove the offender

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Speaker 2: away this afternoon. The victim, a fellow student, was treated

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Speaker 2: by paramedics for facial bruising. The sixteen year old accused

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Speaker 2: was charged with assault and bail to face court in January.

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Speaker 1: Sadly, it's just another one of these schoolyard bashings that

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Speaker 1: we have heard about over well a long period of time,

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Speaker 1: kids getting stuck into each other, but to assault. The

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Speaker 1: charge sixteen year old arrested and driven out of the school.

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Speaker 1: As a result of this incident, the Semi d Foundation

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Speaker 1: has today urged schools, as they've done before, right across

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Speaker 1: the country, to prioritize prevention education before any more young

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Speaker 1: lives are lost following this horrific violent school incident in

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Speaker 1: the Northwestern suburbs. Jeanine Jackson is CEO of the Sami

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Speaker 1: d Foundation and joins men out. Jeanine.

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Speaker 3: Good evening, Oh, good evening, Matthew.

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Speaker 1: It isn't having young no pleasure. It's a terrible thing

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Speaker 1: yet again to be hearing about this, and despite your

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Speaker 1: good work and everybody wanting to see the end of

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Speaker 1: this sort of thing, it continues.

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Speaker 3: It's really heartbreaking. I think for us, it's more than

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Speaker 3: a headline. We know too well that one one incident

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Speaker 3: can have lifelong consequences, not just for the victim and

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Speaker 3: the victims families, but also for the perpetrator and the

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Speaker 3: perpetrators families as well. The ripple effect of the incidents

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Speaker 3: is substantial and everyone is affected, the school community, the parents,

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Speaker 3: and our first responders. For us, we don't want the

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Speaker 3: incidents to happen, and we know we can prevent them.

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Speaker 1: So it's just a matter of getting in there and

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Speaker 1: educating the kids. Is that it?

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Speaker 3: It is? Yeah, It literally is as simple as that.

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Speaker 3: We know, and we now have quite a lot of

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Speaker 3: evidence that our programs are highly effective. We have, for example,

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Speaker 3: we did a piece of research going back to classrooms

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Speaker 3: and teachers where we were twelve eighteen months ago, and

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Speaker 3: eighty percent of their teachers had noticed changeable behaviors in

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Speaker 3: the playground, in the classroom, and before and after school incidents.

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Speaker 3: We had one hundred of their teachers said that they

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Speaker 3: would highly recommend our program. Eighty percent of the kids

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Speaker 3: said that they thought about this violence differently after going

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Speaker 3: through the program. Our biggest issue is being able to

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Speaker 3: be to be able to afforward to be in those

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Speaker 3: schools consistently every week. And we know when we are,

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Speaker 3: we've got a much better classroom, we've got a much

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Speaker 3: kind of school, We've got evidence that it affects kids'

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Speaker 3: capabilities to learn. There is so much upside and very

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Speaker 3: very little downside that we want this mandated. It should

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Speaker 3: be part of every child's education.

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Speaker 1: So is it a matter and we've spoken about this before.

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Speaker 1: You've got to convince the government to allow this to happen,

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Speaker 1: don't you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I interestingly I heard the Education Minister earlier today

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Speaker 3: saying that South Australia has probably one of the better

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Speaker 3: results in terms of violence across the classrooms or across

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Speaker 3: the school incidents and to be fair, I think you

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Speaker 3: know part of that is what we do because we

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Speaker 3: know what we do work. What we need is some

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Speaker 3: decent funding in order to make sure that we can

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Speaker 3: actually this stuff actually saves kids' life. This is not

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Speaker 3: a nice to have, I think from a parent's perspective

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Speaker 3: and from a schooling perspective, it's what every parent wants

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Speaker 3: for this be able to go to school and be safe,

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Speaker 3: and to be able to not get a phone call

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Speaker 3: to say that there's been a serious incident with their child.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, have you presumably you haven't then done this at

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Speaker 1: ocean View High?

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Speaker 3: I can't tell you when we're at ocean View High.

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Speaker 3: To be honest, I probably should have looked to see

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Speaker 3: whether we were there and when we were there. When

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Speaker 3: we do know, when we're in a school consistently and

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Speaker 3: a skill build, we know we reduce the incidents of

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Speaker 3: violence in a one school. We reduce the incidents of

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Speaker 1: So what does that look like, Janae. Do you have

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Speaker 1: to go weekly? Do you go somebody what happens? No?

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Speaker 3: So it literally is if we can actually go and

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Speaker 3: so it isn't about literally going in there every week.

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Speaker 3: It is about how we show up for those kids

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Speaker 3: once a year every year, and they then end up

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Speaker 3: with shared languages and shared ways of being able to

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Speaker 3: have a disagreement that doesn't have to be resulting in violence.

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Speaker 3: They learn the skills on how to accept, be kinder

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Speaker 3: and have those disagreements where they don't actually need to

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Speaker 3: result in a physical altercation. It is okay to be different.

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Speaker 3: But it's about how do you give those kids the

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Speaker 3: emotional regulation capabilities to be able to feel upset or

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Speaker 3: feel angry and not be able to result in an altercation.

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Speaker 3: How do you allow your friends to be able to

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Speaker 3: keep an eye out for each other so if they

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Speaker 3: do see someone that's having a hard time emotionally regulating

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Speaker 3: they can come back for a following day. So there's

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Speaker 3: lots of techniques and tools that we show them how

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Speaker 3: to use which allow them to have a safe school

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Speaker 3: environment where they feel confident, where they're not being bullied,

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Speaker 3: where they're not being it isn't necessary to have violence

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Speaker 3: within the playground. Yeah we know that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, all right, Getting that message out there is

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Speaker 1: the key thing. So I suppose more lobbying. That's all

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Speaker 1: you can do. And as awful as these incidents are,

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Speaker 1: they do tend to lend themselves to your argument that

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Speaker 1: you should be in these schools.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and I would encourage anyone who hasn't had our

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Speaker 3: program in the schools to ask your welfare officer or

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Speaker 3: your principal to get us into the schools if you

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Speaker 3: know that there's a problem. But also the other thing

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Speaker 3: that's really helpful for us is additional funding. So if

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Speaker 3: anyone's looking for an organization to support, we would love

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Speaker 3: to help an assistance so that we can afford to

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Speaker 3: continue to turn up for all of the kids, because

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Speaker 3: you know, the more that we do in the schools,

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Speaker 3: the nice of the adults are going to be they

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Speaker 3: leave the schools as well, so everyone wins out of

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Speaker 3: us being in the schools providing this education.

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Speaker 1: What starts this sort of thing, the fights, is it

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Speaker 1: just you know, a kid wanting to be the top

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Speaker 1: dog be a bully. Is it jealousy over I don't

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Speaker 1: know a sporting result, perceived benefit that one child has

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Speaker 3: In general, there's a lot of you know, that's quite

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Speaker 3: a complex act with a lot of layers. But you know,

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Speaker 3: hurt kids generally hurt, so kids that one don't know

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Speaker 3: how to manage big emotions. But the other thing that

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Speaker 3: of being a bully or seeing violence or exposed to

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Speaker 3: violence where it becomes completely normalized for them respond with

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Speaker 3: violence as well. I was at a school only last

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Speaker 3: week where we went round and asked a classroom of

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Speaker 3: fifteen year old boys when was the last violent incident

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Speaker 3: that they thought, Expecting that I was going to get

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Speaker 3: a response of stuff online, eighty percent of those this

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Speaker 3: gave me a real life example that they'd seen and

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Speaker 3: witnessed in the last twenty four hours, which was terrific.

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Speaker 3: When violence becomes normalized, then it is much is perpetuating.

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Speaker 3: So the volume that they're consuming in terms of violence

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Speaker 3: needs they need better ways to understand if they don't

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Speaker 3: this is not normal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, all right, Well, good luck with the efforts, Janine.

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Speaker 1: Will I want you in one night to have a

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Speaker 1: decent chat about the program and what you do, and

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Speaker 1: we'll do that in the next few weeks perhaps, but

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Speaker 1: love that. Yeah, absolutely so. I think it's an important

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Speaker 1: message that people need to hear, and particularly the Education

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Speaker 1: minister needs to take on board and blear Boyer. He's

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Speaker 1: quite a sensible man and should, I think understand the

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Speaker 1: benefits of the program you have there in the success

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Speaker 1: you've had as well in schools in bringing down the

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Speaker 1: rate of violence in those schools. Yeah, changing people's lives

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Speaker 1: for the better something that needs to be in every school.

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Speaker 1: As you say, thank you for your time tonight. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much, Matthew, Janine Jackson, Sammy D Foundation CEO,