WEBVTT - Sharri | 10 September

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<v Speaker 1>Why on Sky News. This is Sharry.

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<v Speaker 2>Good Evening. Welcome to the program tonight. All spin and

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<v Speaker 2>no substance. That's the Prime Minister's hollow promise over a

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<v Speaker 2>social media ban for kids. His announcement today could be

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<v Speaker 2>straight from the satire utopia. I'll tell you why in

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<v Speaker 2>a moment. Also tonight, the teals accused of supporting the

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<v Speaker 2>Radical Greens seventy percent of the time. Paul Fletcher will

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<v Speaker 2>take us through this new research and we'll look at

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<v Speaker 2>the irresponsible and quite frankly dangerous claims by Clementine Ford

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<v Speaker 2>and Brendan O'Neil. International thought leader would join me to discuss. Plus,

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<v Speaker 2>the stage is set for one of the most anticipated

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<v Speaker 2>presidential debates in modern history, so what can we expect.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll have analysis throughout the show. But first to the

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<v Speaker 2>farce of alban Ezy's announcement about a social media ban

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<v Speaker 2>for kids. Now, this is a popular policy, it's one

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<v Speaker 2>that I personally agree with. But Albaneze's entire pledge today

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<v Speaker 2>was misleading and had come unstuck by midday. I'll show

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<v Speaker 2>you why. First, the Prime Minister did a breakfast television

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<v Speaker 2>blitz to announce a social media ban for young teens.

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<v Speaker 3>What we want to do is to get our kids

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<v Speaker 3>off their devices and onto the footy fields or the

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<v Speaker 3>netball courts. Social media has a social responsibility in order

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<v Speaker 3>to have that social license.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not easy.

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<v Speaker 3>We accept that and the result mightn't be perfect, but.

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<v Speaker 2>If you listen carefully, he was evasive about the detail

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<v Speaker 2>behind it. What age will social media actually be banned

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<v Speaker 2>for kids? He didn't know. He just gave a vague

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<v Speaker 2>answer of somewhere between fourteen and sixteen.

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<v Speaker 3>We're looking at the range between fourteen and sixteen. That's

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<v Speaker 3>one of the reasons why we're having a trial, and

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<v Speaker 3>what we're looking at is how you deliver it.

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<v Speaker 2>But then his minister, Michelle Rowland had a different age

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<v Speaker 2>range when she was asked just a couple of hours later, what.

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<v Speaker 5>We are seeking to do through our age assurance trial

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<v Speaker 5>is examined that range around thirteen to sixteen.

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<v Speaker 2>And how would this social media bound work, How would

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<v Speaker 2>the age limit be enforced, would the tech giants face penalties,

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<v Speaker 2>would there be punishments or The Prime Minister had no clue.

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<v Speaker 2>It was simply a re announcement of a trial that

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<v Speaker 2>we've known about for a long time.

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<v Speaker 3>Know that social media is doing social harm, so that's

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<v Speaker 3>why we've put funding in the budget to have this

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<v Speaker 3>age verification trial.

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<v Speaker 2>So today there was actually no new detail apart from

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<v Speaker 2>the trial that had already been announced four months ago

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<v Speaker 2>in the Maybe these are alarming red flags, but there

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<v Speaker 2>was worse to come. Albanezi said new laws announcing the

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<v Speaker 2>social media age limit would be introduced by the end

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<v Speaker 2>of this year. Well, we're in September, so that's only

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<v Speaker 2>three months away.

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<v Speaker 3>We're committed to introducing legislation before.

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<v Speaker 1>The end of this year.

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<v Speaker 3>We're going to introduce legislation by the end of the

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<v Speaker 3>year and before the end of this year. We will

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<v Speaker 3>introduce legislation by the end of the year.

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<v Speaker 2>So if he's promising new laws, as he said clearly repeatedly,

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<v Speaker 2>he can't back away from that. Now promising new laws

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<v Speaker 2>by the end of the year, that leaves only three

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<v Speaker 2>months to do the trial he announced in the budget

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<v Speaker 2>and then have some firm answers. Well, it seems unlikely,

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<v Speaker 2>but his promise really came unstuck when Communications Minister Michelle

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<v Speaker 2>Roland was asked specifically about what would be in legislation

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<v Speaker 2>and it was extraordinary. She said the legislation could be

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<v Speaker 2>introduced without even an age limit.

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<v Speaker 5>Have a look, we will introduce legislation before the end

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<v Speaker 5>of the year.

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<v Speaker 1>The age with the age limit in place.

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<v Speaker 5>We'll see what comes out of the Age Assurance trial.

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<v Speaker 5>We want to make sure that we get this right

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<v Speaker 5>and so that's why we are committing to introduce this legislation.

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<v Speaker 5>Will continue to have this conversation about age.

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<v Speaker 2>The new laws designed to put a social media age

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<v Speaker 2>limit on kids could be introduced before the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the year without the age limit. Well, this shocked the

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<v Speaker 2>Shadow Communications Minister David Coleman, who first came up with

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<v Speaker 2>this policy idea for a federal ban, because.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't seem to know what the age is and

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<v Speaker 6>Minister Roland seems to have just said that the legislation

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<v Speaker 6>might not actually include the age even how long this

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<v Speaker 6>debate has been going on, How can the government not

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<v Speaker 6>know its opinion is.

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<v Speaker 2>But here's the worst part. Sensationally, David Coleman also revealed

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<v Speaker 2>that the tender for the trial only went out today.

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<v Speaker 6>The tender to run it just went out today. It's

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<v Speaker 6>dated the tenth of September. So things are seriously off

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<v Speaker 6>the rails here.

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<v Speaker 2>And we fact checked it and he's right. Here's that

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<v Speaker 2>tender document. Have a look and it shows the tender

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<v Speaker 2>search for the company to run the trial. So I'll

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<v Speaker 2>just say that again. The tender search for the company

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<v Speaker 2>to run the trial only went out today. As you

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<v Speaker 2>can see, it closes on the seventh of October. That

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<v Speaker 2>means the trial is not even going to begin until

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<v Speaker 2>after mid October, at mid October at the earliest. That

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<v Speaker 2>then leaves about a month and a half for firstly

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<v Speaker 2>the trial to be done and completed, then the legislation

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<v Speaker 2>to be drafted and introduced to the Parliament. You can

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<v Speaker 2>see right now that this is going to be another

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<v Speaker 2>massive broken promise. It's almost unbelievable. Yet, have a look

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<v Speaker 2>at the announcement the Prime Minister made in the tabloid

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<v Speaker 2>newspapers today. In the Daily Telegraph big front page age

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<v Speaker 2>of Reason, it said the Prime Minister will today announce

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<v Speaker 2>the government will legislate age limits for platforms such as Facebook, Instagram,

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<v Speaker 2>TikTok and Snapchat. The Herald Sun front page as well

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<v Speaker 2>win for our kids. The PM will impose minimum age

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<v Speaker 2>for social media used to protect children. And the Career

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<v Speaker 2>Mail front page again Albow to introduce social media age

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<v Speaker 2>limit laws. Well, this is hutzba for the Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 2>planting front pages and doing a breakfast television blitz when

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<v Speaker 2>he doesn't have a single genuine answer or solid idea

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<v Speaker 2>about how the social media ban will work. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it reminds me of one of those announceables in the

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<v Speaker 2>political satire The Hollow Men with Rob Sich.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think we're at the press release stage just yet.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on, we're always at the press release stage.

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<v Speaker 5>But what are we announcing?

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<v Speaker 2>The Prime Minister declares war on a childhood absta But.

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<v Speaker 7>That's just the line.

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<v Speaker 1>What comes next, Well.

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<v Speaker 2>That's your job. Well, that's what you get paid for

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<v Speaker 2>to come up with all the other pages.

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<v Speaker 6>Everybody's really excited about the PM's plan.

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<v Speaker 1>There is no plan.

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<v Speaker 2>We've announced it and people love it.

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<v Speaker 8>Nothing has been decided.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's identical. It's funny when it's satire, but

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<v Speaker 2>not when it's reality. Perhaps this media blitz without the

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<v Speaker 2>detail to substantiate the announcement is the work of the

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<v Speaker 2>Prime Minister's overhauld communications team. Albinizi has had his third

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<v Speaker 2>head of media in less than a year. Less than

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<v Speaker 2>one year he went from Liz Fitch to Brett Mason

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<v Speaker 2>and now Fiona Sugden who worked for Kevin O seven

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<v Speaker 2>back in the day. And as you know, Kevin did

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<v Speaker 2>love an announceable. But this isn't just funny. This is

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<v Speaker 2>actually dangerous because in light of alban Ezi's announcement, the

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<v Speaker 2>South Australian Premier Peter Malanaskis said he'd step back from

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<v Speaker 2>his own laws to allow for the national band to

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<v Speaker 2>go ahead.

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<v Speaker 9>Means we get a nationwide solution, which is a far

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<v Speaker 9>better approach than a hot potch of the arrangements around states.

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<v Speaker 4>Which is what we've been advocating for from the outset.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no need for Melanascus to step back because alban

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<v Speaker 2>Ezy and Michelle Roland have no idea what they're talking about,

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<v Speaker 2>They have no details worked out, their plan is a

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<v Speaker 2>long way off and their trial won't even start for

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<v Speaker 2>another month, and as Michelle Roland admitted, their legislation may

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<v Speaker 2>not even include an age limit in it at all.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the point in new laws if there's no age limit.

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<v Speaker 2>It's utterly bizarre and it's a pity because we do

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<v Speaker 2>need a social media age limit for kids for early teenagers.

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<v Speaker 2>Tech giants like TikTok care little about ruining innocent childhoods,

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<v Speaker 2>and our children deserve to have this precious time in

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<v Speaker 2>their lives. Protect it. Yet what we've seen from Albineasy

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<v Speaker 2>today is all spin and no substance. A desperate prime

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<v Speaker 2>minister behind in the polls looking for a popular policy

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<v Speaker 2>to save him, but his announcement barely made it until

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<v Speaker 2>midday before being exposed for its litany of holes. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot coming up in the show, but now let's

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<v Speaker 2>bring in my Tuesday regular panel, former Speaker of the

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<v Speaker 2>House Bronwan Bishop and Sky News host Caleb Bond. Welcome

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<v Speaker 2>to you both. Look, let's start with that issue today, Bronwin,

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't seen anything like this in quite a while.

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<v Speaker 2>That literally seemed like it could have come from the

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<v Speaker 2>Hollow Man or utopia, but it was reality. And what

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<v Speaker 2>gets me even more is that the media just go

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<v Speaker 2>along with it. No one questions it, they just announce it.

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<v Speaker 8>I'll stop them talking about ten plebsct. I mean, the

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<v Speaker 8>bottom line is this is only half the question. Peter

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<v Speaker 8>Dutton came out what last junent said, he will do

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<v Speaker 8>it in government. Mel Anauskis has come out and said,

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<v Speaker 8>quite honestly, looking like you can't wait for Alba to

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<v Speaker 8>do anything. He's useless.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll do it.

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<v Speaker 8>And then Albo running to catch up and thought, oh gosh,

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<v Speaker 8>And they'll talk about something else. But the reality is

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<v Speaker 8>they're talking about the age limit for kids to get

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<v Speaker 8>on social media is only half the problem. Pornography is

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<v Speaker 8>the huge problem. Look, there's some really interesting research that's

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<v Speaker 8>come out of the United States where it needs to

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<v Speaker 8>be addressed. Like, every second in America, twenty five thousand

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<v Speaker 8>people are watching pornography every second, Like every day, forty

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<v Speaker 8>million regular viewers are watching pornography. Thirty four percent of

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<v Speaker 8>all Internet users experience unwanted pawn experience. Now that includes kids,

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<v Speaker 8>and what happens is that when kids watch it, it

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<v Speaker 8>increases teenage pregnancies. It interrupts the natural development of relationships

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<v Speaker 8>between boys and girls because there's this expectation about what

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<v Speaker 8>sexual sexual connection means.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a.

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<v Speaker 8>Destroying element and yet something it is like the biggest

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<v Speaker 8>user of the Internet, and there is nothing down to

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<v Speaker 8>the tech giants to say stop it, stop it being there,

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<v Speaker 8>and stop it getting the kids and else whose lives

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<v Speaker 8>it destroys.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, look, I think you're right because we've had this,

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<v Speaker 2>we're having this big debate at the moment about gambling advertising,

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<v Speaker 2>but there's very little discussion about what other contents so

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<v Speaker 2>unrestricted to children. And you know one thing you didn't

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<v Speaker 2>mention there was domestic violence. Well it adds and it

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<v Speaker 2>adds to it because there's a big trend in pornography,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm told by experts of choking, and so men think,

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<v Speaker 2>young boys think this is what happens when they have

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<v Speaker 2>sex with a young girl, that they have to choke

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<v Speaker 2>the young girl. But Caleb, I want to get back

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<v Speaker 2>to this social media announcement from the Prime Minister today,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was clearly an announcement, however, welcome and I

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<v Speaker 2>support it absolutely. However welcome, but not one skeric of

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<v Speaker 2>detail behind it, no substance to back it up.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, I would call it policy on the run, but

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<v Speaker 10>you can barely call it policy, right, it's half of

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<v Speaker 10>policy on the run. The reality here is that Peter

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<v Speaker 10>Malanowski seems to be running the country and to be

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<v Speaker 10>perfectly honest, i'd welcome that over Anthony Albanzi. They should

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<v Speaker 10>see the Canberra and make him leader. He'd make it

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<v Speaker 10>he'd be damn sight better as leader than Albanisi and.

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Men's as well. Peter Melanowskis and Chris Men's are

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<v Speaker 2>the model of what a late leader should be like,

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<v Speaker 2>not the lot we've got in Canberra.

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<v Speaker 10>Correct, and it's all good and well to say, as

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<v Speaker 10>you say, most people would support the idea of an

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<v Speaker 10>age limit on social media because we know the damage

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<v Speaker 10>that has been done to children by it. But we've

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<v Speaker 10>known that for a long time. This isn't a revelation

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<v Speaker 10>in any way. It's not new research, it's not new data.

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<v Speaker 10>It's been around for years. So the premiers, after, of course,

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<v Speaker 10>the Opposition, as Bronwind said before, already said they would

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<v Speaker 10>do this in government. The premiers have finally jumped on

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<v Speaker 10>board and said, well, we're actually going to get on

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<v Speaker 10>with it. The Prime Minister realizes quite rightly that it

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<v Speaker 10>will be unworkable if every state has their own rules.

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<v Speaker 10>One could say sixteen, I could say fourteen, one could

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<v Speaker 10>say thirteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Have seen the side work? Will he this one's the

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<v Speaker 2>positive press?

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<v Speaker 10>But sure, sure, sure, But that's why he needs to

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<v Speaker 10>come up with an age This need this should have

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<v Speaker 10>been put forward when there was a concrete decision about

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<v Speaker 10>how this would work. And it's not just about age.

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<v Speaker 10>We need to be told how it's going to be implemented.

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<v Speaker 10>What's the system whereby we work out the age of

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<v Speaker 10>the people who are trying to sign up for social media?

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<v Speaker 10>Are we using AI technology to assess their faces? Are

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<v Speaker 10>we expecting them to put in their birth certificate? None

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<v Speaker 10>of this detail has been outlined. You cannot have a

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<v Speaker 10>system that prevents children from using social media without having

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<v Speaker 10>all of that in place, and none of that exists.

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<v Speaker 10>It's a great idea, but there's no substance to it.

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<v Speaker 2>It just got the sense that he's had a run

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<v Speaker 2>of bad polls, the momentums in Peter Dutton's direction Brodwin

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<v Speaker 2>and so the Prime Minister was looking for something correct popular,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean news polls probably in the field this week.

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<v Speaker 1>Correct.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's gone for this announcement, but then couldn't answer

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<v Speaker 2>any of the questions when he did his Breakfast TV

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<v Speaker 2>BULLITTZ catch up politics.

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<v Speaker 8>He was left behind. He has always left behind. Is

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<v Speaker 8>an absolute disaster. There is no leadership there at all.

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<v Speaker 2>And on the economy, we'll just have a look at

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<v Speaker 2>another poll today. This is the Guardian survey and it

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<v Speaker 2>found that more voters are blaming Labor alban Easy for

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<v Speaker 2>interest rate rises. Forty four percent put the responsibility on

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<v Speaker 2>the government and this is up from thirty one percent

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<v Speaker 2>in February last year. So clearly Labor is trying to

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<v Speaker 2>shift the blame onto the RBA. But according to two

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<v Speaker 2>poles now the result pole in the Herald yesterday this

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<v Speaker 2>one in the Guardian, Caleber doesn't look like the voters of.

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<v Speaker 10>And that's why they've been trying to shift the blame.

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<v Speaker 10>But people are not stupid, and it's often said that

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<v Speaker 10>the electorate always gets it right, and they can see

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<v Speaker 10>they're not stupid that the main reason that interest rates

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<v Speaker 10>have gone up, apart from the number one issue that

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<v Speaker 10>they've identified there, which is that prices have gone up. Sure,

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<v Speaker 10>but why have prices gone up? The RBA can only

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<v Speaker 10>pull one lever and it's the same leave they always pull,

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<v Speaker 10>and that is to increase interest rates. But people can

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<v Speaker 10>see that that doesn't just happen in a vacuum. It

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<v Speaker 10>happens because of economic circumstances, and the government keeps pumping

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<v Speaker 10>money into the economy via projects and e'snomic stimulus and

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<v Speaker 10>whatever else. And that leads to inflation. Well, what's the

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<v Speaker 10>RBA meant to do after that? And I know we've

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<v Speaker 10>all engaged in a bit of RBA bashing at certain times,

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<v Speaker 10>and I certainly have as well when Philip Lowe was

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<v Speaker 10>running the show. But I think Michelle Bullock has been

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<v Speaker 10>a great communicator as RBA governor. She's made the case

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<v Speaker 10>very well for what they are doing, and I think

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<v Speaker 10>that's cutting through increasingly according to this poll, and people

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<v Speaker 10>can see that if it were not for the fact

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<v Speaker 10>that the government will not pull its own weight, the

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<v Speaker 10>RBA wouldn't have to pull even more weight, and we're

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<v Speaker 10>the ones who are ultimately paying for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, it might be a case of be careful what

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<v Speaker 2>you wish for because the government announced you working processes

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<v Speaker 2>for the RBA. So that Michelle Bullock is fronting up

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<v Speaker 2>to the cameras more, taking questions from journalists, more bronwyin.

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<v Speaker 2>But on the flip side, you know she has the

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity to say things like government spending, state owned federal

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<v Speaker 2>is contributing to inflation remaining persistent.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, absolutely, and she's turned out to be a very

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<v Speaker 8>fine appointment. And I think the charmers thought she'd be

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<v Speaker 8>a pushover, and it hasn't turned out that way. But

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<v Speaker 8>he is literally sounding like a child throwing a tantrum,

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<v Speaker 8>stamping his foot. Give me my RBA changes now, I

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<v Speaker 8>want them now. I mean he sounds like the girl

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<v Speaker 8>out of Willie Wonka, doesn't he for Suker Salt? I mean, seriously,

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<v Speaker 8>I watch him say and the next expression he's almost

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<v Speaker 8>like to say, and if you don't give me what

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<v Speaker 8>I want, I'll scream. Well, he's words about smashing the economy,

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<v Speaker 8>and then he's ex boss weighing in with RBA punching

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<v Speaker 8>itself in the face. What sort of language is that

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<v Speaker 8>coming from so called responsible people?

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<v Speaker 10>The other thing in willi one group, of course, was

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<v Speaker 10>the golden goose that lays the golden meg. Mister Chalmers

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<v Speaker 10>might take notice of who that golden goose is and

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<v Speaker 10>who labs Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll come back to this political brawl about the Iba

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<v Speaker 2>Overhols later in the show with my political panel. But

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<v Speaker 2>let's turn to the US now because Kamala, Harris and

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<v Speaker 2>Tramp are going head to head their first presidential debate.

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<v Speaker 2>That's eleven o'clock tomorrow our time. You can watch it

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<v Speaker 2>here on Sky News now, there's going to be a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of rules around this debate, similar to Trump, similar

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<v Speaker 2>to end Trump went up against Joe Biden, no live audience,

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<v Speaker 2>no pre written notes, and strict speaking time limits. This

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<v Speaker 2>debate bronwin is going to be very important for Kamala,

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<v Speaker 2>very high risk for her because she's tried her hardest

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<v Speaker 2>not to be put on the spot with any live interviews,

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<v Speaker 2>let alone a live debate like this.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, yes, but there's I reckon that the press over

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<v Speaker 8>there in the United States have already written their stories

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<v Speaker 8>for post of the debate. They were already saying She's won,

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<v Speaker 8>wasn't she fantastic? I don't think it matters what happens.

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<v Speaker 8>That's the story they'll run. So I think although a

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<v Speaker 8>lot of people will watch it, I think they'll be

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<v Speaker 8>drawing their own conclusions rather than what the media is saying.

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<v Speaker 8>But it will have an impact. So I'm of two

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<v Speaker 8>minds about this. It is likely to be the only

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<v Speaker 8>engagement they have. I don't think there'll be any seconds.

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<v Speaker 8>I just feel that she's up them now, being absolutely

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<v Speaker 8>force fed information, and there'll be rules. No giggling, no laughing,

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<v Speaker 8>don't put on your silly face, try and look sensible

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<v Speaker 8>and restrained. I mean, it'll be all this sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 8>It's like a kid trying to cram for the exam

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<v Speaker 8>and retain as much information you can, knowing you'll never

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<v Speaker 8>remember much of it after the exact because there.

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<v Speaker 2>Were pots that she asked to have notes taken in

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<v Speaker 2>exaccurate but that was reported and that request was denied. Caleb,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, you know Trump is going to have to

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<v Speaker 2>make sure that he has his messages more targeted to

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<v Speaker 2>Kamala Harris, because he has struggled to reframe his campaign

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<v Speaker 2>after Biden left.

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<v Speaker 10>That is true, and of course if you look at

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<v Speaker 10>the last debate, there was very little policy substance at all.

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<v Speaker 10>It was purely a personality thing because the objective for

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<v Speaker 10>Trump was to show Biden up as the wally that

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<v Speaker 10>he was. And someone argued that's perhaps what the Democrats

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<v Speaker 10>wanted to do in the first place, did to move

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<v Speaker 10>him on and have him replaced. That was the opportunity

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<v Speaker 10>to show the world exactly how bad he was. And

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<v Speaker 10>so Kamala has to be very careful tomorrow not to

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<v Speaker 10>veer into the word salad territory, because that's where she

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<v Speaker 10>could sort of go down the same road as Biden

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<v Speaker 10>and look totally weak. But you will not see I

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<v Speaker 10>don't think tomorrow much policy substance at all. You never

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<v Speaker 10>get them out of the debates. It devolves purely into personality,

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<v Speaker 10>and on that count Trump can usually win. It will

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<v Speaker 10>all depend on how badly Kamala can perform, and will

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<v Speaker 10>go further into this on the late debate tonight. But

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<v Speaker 10>she has actually had a Trump impersonator hold up in

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<v Speaker 10>a hotel room with her that has been lit up

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<v Speaker 10>with stage lights as though she were actually doing debait,

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<v Speaker 10>debating the bloke to see whether she can do it

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<v Speaker 10>up against Trump. Now, that is extraordinary. I mean, you

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<v Speaker 10>can't imagine Donald Trump in a room with someone pretending

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<v Speaker 10>to be Kamala.

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<v Speaker 2>Arris well, apart from the theatric so of it, but

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<v Speaker 2>that is normal campaign prep though, to have us to

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<v Speaker 2>have other people throwings at you at one hundred percent, not.

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<v Speaker 10>Someone who's in personal Donald Trump, surely.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think about unusual. They want to be prepared.

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<v Speaker 2>Look just quickly before we go. It's been revealed today

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<v Speaker 2>that Penny Wang has welcomed uk PM Keir Starmer's decision

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<v Speaker 2>to suspend arms expots to Israel. Pennywong told The Guardian

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<v Speaker 2>that Australia is working with partners including the UK, to

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<v Speaker 2>put pressure to see a real change in the situation

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<v Speaker 2>in Gaza. I mean run when God forbid. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>Australia should support Israel as it moves to fend off terrorists.

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<v Speaker 8>Penny Wong is a disgrace, an absolute disgrace. At every

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<v Speaker 8>turn she has turned on Israel. She is trying her

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<v Speaker 8>hardest to appeal to those Western Sydney seats to try

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<v Speaker 8>and look after the people who are there. Penny Wong

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<v Speaker 8>came from a country, Malaysia, where there were dreadful race rights.

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<v Speaker 8>Did she not learn that to promote this sort of

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<v Speaker 8>hatred that is coming out of the lack of leadership

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<v Speaker 8>from this labor government to stop and to say that

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<v Speaker 8>there is no place in this country for Hamas and

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<v Speaker 8>for the supporters of hamas, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Say harmask can have no role in the future governing

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<v Speaker 2>of Gaza.

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<v Speaker 8>But there's meaning us she does this.

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<v Speaker 2>She has also you know a lot of criticism for.

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<v Speaker 10>Israel kla correct and I mean if you look at

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<v Speaker 10>women to have orucus, we're meant to be in lockstep

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<v Speaker 10>the US. The UK and Australia lockstep when it comes

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<v Speaker 10>to defense. The US has criticized privately the UK for

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<v Speaker 10>doing this and has told them not to go ahead

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<v Speaker 10>with this weapon sale band to Israel. I'll note that

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<v Speaker 10>we haven't sold weapons to Israel for five years. But

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<v Speaker 10>if we as an out enough for us, well, lady correct.

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<v Speaker 10>But if ucas as an outfit cannot agree on things

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<v Speaker 10>as simple as this, I think it bodes badly for

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<v Speaker 10>us going forward. We should be in lockstep. You've got

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<v Speaker 10>a left wing government in the UK now cooperating with

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<v Speaker 10>a le wing government in Australia. Even the left wing

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<v Speaker 10>government in the US is not on board.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, very yeah, exactly, very concerning. All right, Calebine, We'll

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<v Speaker 2>see you ten o'clock, Bronwin, thank you so much. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>The Teals have been desperate to present themselves as independent,

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<v Speaker 2>but according to new research, they've been voting with the

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<v Speaker 2>Radical Greens most of the time. The parliamentary research published

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<v Speaker 2>by Jeff Chambers and the Odds Today shows that the

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<v Speaker 2>seven Teal MPs voted with the Greens between seventy three

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<v Speaker 2>and eighty one percent of the time since the last election.

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<v Speaker 2>And here's how that individual breakdown looks. So this is

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<v Speaker 2>on substantive bills which, if pass became law. Zoey Daniel

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<v Speaker 2>voted with the Greens eighty one percent of the time,

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<v Speaker 2>Sophie Scamps eighty percent, Minique Ryan seventy eight percent, Zalie

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<v Speaker 2>Steggles seventy six percent, Kylie Tink seventy six, Allegraspender seventy

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<v Speaker 2>four percent of the time and Kate Cheney seventy three.

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<v Speaker 2>And the research shows Parliament true research that the group

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<v Speaker 2>of seven tials mostly voted together as a pack and

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<v Speaker 2>they voted the same way eighty three percent of the time. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>the current Albanzi government is a far left labor party,

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<v Speaker 2>as I said, unlike the moderate labor governments in New

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<v Speaker 2>South Wales and South Australia. But even Albanezi has called

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<v Speaker 2>the Greens extremists.

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<v Speaker 3>It is unacceptable that misinformation has been consciously and deliberately

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<v Speaker 3>spread by some Green senators and mpeace. He have engaged

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<v Speaker 3>in this in demonstrations outside offices and online that includes

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<v Speaker 3>knowingly misrepresenting motions that are moved in this Parliament.

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<v Speaker 2>Joining me now to discuss is the Manager of Opposition

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<v Speaker 2>Business Paul Fletcher pol thanks for your time. Look, can

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<v Speaker 2>you explains can you explain what this means if the

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<v Speaker 2>Teals are voting alongside the Greens around seventy percent of

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<v Speaker 2>the time.

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<v Speaker 11>Well, this research is very significant because it is based

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<v Speaker 11>on an analysis of the Teals voting record in now

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<v Speaker 11>more than two years of the Federal Parliament. And what

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<v Speaker 11>it finds is that on the substantive bills, so a

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<v Speaker 11>second reading or a third reading vote on a bill,

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<v Speaker 11>if you add all of those up, then up to

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<v Speaker 11>eighty one percent of the time a Teal MP is

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<v Speaker 11>voting with the Greens. And so this is I think

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<v Speaker 11>a very significant finding if we look at some of

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<v Speaker 11>the instances where this occurred. For example, there was an

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<v Speaker 11>attempt by the Greens to move emotion or have the

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<v Speaker 11>Parliament pass the motion shortly after the appalling terrorist attack

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<v Speaker 11>in Israel, which would have criticized Israel and would have

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<v Speaker 11>accused it of war crimes and of an illegal occupation

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<v Speaker 11>of Gaza. Now Sophie Scomps and Kylie Tink, two of

0:26:08.240 --> 0:26:15.000
<v Speaker 11>the Teals, voted with that attempted Green's motion. Earlier this year,

0:26:15.440 --> 0:26:19.480
<v Speaker 11>there was a motion moved by the Greens by Adam

0:26:19.520 --> 0:26:24.280
<v Speaker 11>Band which would have taken the proposed super profit tax

0:26:24.320 --> 0:26:28.440
<v Speaker 11>so called superprofit tax on gas proposed by the government

0:26:28.560 --> 0:26:32.840
<v Speaker 11>doubled it and the Teals supported that motion. So I

0:26:32.880 --> 0:26:36.760
<v Speaker 11>think many of the people who voted for the Teals

0:26:37.040 --> 0:26:40.399
<v Speaker 11>would be quite surprised to find that they are voting

0:26:40.440 --> 0:26:43.000
<v Speaker 11>with the extreme radical Greens as often as they are.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the Teals do mostly pose a threat to the

0:26:46.440 --> 0:26:50.000
<v Speaker 2>Liberal Party, not to Labor. Realistically, do you expect the

0:26:50.040 --> 0:26:53.120
<v Speaker 2>Liberals will be able to win any seats back from

0:26:53.119 --> 0:26:55.760
<v Speaker 2>the Teals at the next election, and if so which.

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<v Speaker 7>Well?

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<v Speaker 11>Our focus will be on communicating to the Australian people

0:27:02.000 --> 0:27:05.760
<v Speaker 11>and whichever electorate they happen to live that First of all,

0:27:05.800 --> 0:27:11.520
<v Speaker 11>we are facing an economic tailspin under this government. We've

0:27:11.560 --> 0:27:18.200
<v Speaker 11>seen real incomes drop by close to ten percent. Of course,

0:27:18.280 --> 0:27:21.199
<v Speaker 11>we've seen inflation sticking in persistent. This government has no

0:27:21.240 --> 0:27:23.200
<v Speaker 11>idea what to do about it. So our proposition to

0:27:23.280 --> 0:27:26.159
<v Speaker 11>voters in whichever seat you're in, whether it's a seat

0:27:26.440 --> 0:27:30.000
<v Speaker 11>currently represented by a TLMP, a Labor MP, whoever it

0:27:30.080 --> 0:27:33.720
<v Speaker 11>might be, our proposition will be that the coalition, the

0:27:33.760 --> 0:27:37.280
<v Speaker 11>Liberal and National Parties have the experience and the capacity

0:27:37.640 --> 0:27:41.119
<v Speaker 11>to deliver the capable economic management that we need so

0:27:41.160 --> 0:27:45.440
<v Speaker 11>that Australians can start to feel better off again, because

0:27:45.440 --> 0:27:48.720
<v Speaker 11>at the moment, nobody feels better off compared to two

0:27:48.800 --> 0:27:51.159
<v Speaker 11>and a half years ago, and that's going to be

0:27:51.240 --> 0:27:53.879
<v Speaker 11>the case. I'd suggest you wherever in Australia you live,

0:27:53.920 --> 0:27:55.520
<v Speaker 11>whichever electorate you're in.

0:27:55.800 --> 0:27:59.440
<v Speaker 2>But do you think there are any realistic propositions of

0:27:59.480 --> 0:28:02.120
<v Speaker 2>the Liberals winning back seats from the tills? I mean,

0:28:02.480 --> 0:28:04.960
<v Speaker 2>what do you think about Allegraspander in Wentworth? Do you

0:28:04.960 --> 0:28:07.800
<v Speaker 2>think there's a chance there for the Liberals? Which other

0:28:07.840 --> 0:28:08.879
<v Speaker 2>seats are win a book?

0:28:10.160 --> 0:28:11.879
<v Speaker 11>Well, I think what we need to do, and indeed

0:28:11.880 --> 0:28:15.480
<v Speaker 11>what we are doing is getting capable candidates in the

0:28:15.520 --> 0:28:21.160
<v Speaker 11>field Ronox and Wentworth for example, working very hard, Amelia

0:28:21.200 --> 0:28:24.960
<v Speaker 11>Hamer and Koyong and a range of other candidates, Tim

0:28:25.000 --> 0:28:30.359
<v Speaker 11>Wilson and Goldstein working hard making the case to voters

0:28:30.359 --> 0:28:36.000
<v Speaker 11>in those electorates that the Liberal and National Government has

0:28:36.040 --> 0:28:42.240
<v Speaker 11>the right experience and capabilities to turn round this economic

0:28:42.280 --> 0:28:45.280
<v Speaker 11>tail spin that Australia is in at the moment, and

0:28:45.680 --> 0:28:48.200
<v Speaker 11>so that'll be our focus. These will be decisions for

0:28:48.240 --> 0:28:51.000
<v Speaker 11>the Australian people. But it is important I think that

0:28:51.080 --> 0:28:54.840
<v Speaker 11>people understand if they have a till member of Parliament

0:28:54.920 --> 0:28:59.320
<v Speaker 11>right now that the Tells Party is voting with the

0:28:59.400 --> 0:29:03.000
<v Speaker 11>Greens part between seventy six and eighty one percent of

0:29:03.040 --> 0:29:06.760
<v Speaker 11>the time on those emotions on substantive bills, and so

0:29:08.040 --> 0:29:11.160
<v Speaker 11>the Australian people will make up their own mind. But

0:29:11.240 --> 0:29:14.600
<v Speaker 11>it's important that they understand the true character of all

0:29:14.600 --> 0:29:17.040
<v Speaker 11>of the candidates that they're considering when it comes time

0:29:17.080 --> 0:29:18.040
<v Speaker 11>for the next election.

0:29:18.320 --> 0:29:22.440
<v Speaker 2>Right Paul Fletcher, really appreciate your time now still to come.

0:29:22.600 --> 0:29:27.400
<v Speaker 2>The irresponsible and dangerous claims of Clementine Ford Well, Brendan

0:29:27.440 --> 0:29:30.640
<v Speaker 2>O'Neil would tear her and countersul and apart. He's on

0:29:30.720 --> 0:29:33.560
<v Speaker 2>the show a bit later. Plus the rising threat of

0:29:33.680 --> 0:29:37.200
<v Speaker 2>independent Muslim candidates sees the launch of a new group

0:29:37.480 --> 0:29:40.520
<v Speaker 2>aimed at keeping top labor ministers like Tony Burke in

0:29:40.560 --> 0:29:43.640
<v Speaker 2>their jobs. Jamal Riffi would join me to talk about

0:29:43.720 --> 0:29:46.600
<v Speaker 2>his rival group and why he wants Burke to stay

0:29:46.600 --> 0:29:54.560
<v Speaker 2>in the job. That's right after the break welcome back. Well.

0:29:54.720 --> 0:29:58.040
<v Speaker 2>Labor hasn't been particularly supportive of Israel since it was

0:29:58.080 --> 0:30:01.920
<v Speaker 2>attacked by terrorists on October se That's to say the least.

0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:05.720
<v Speaker 2>The decision today to back. The UK's export bound of

0:30:05.840 --> 0:30:09.280
<v Speaker 2>arms by Penny Wong is just the latest hostile move

0:30:09.960 --> 0:30:12.560
<v Speaker 2>and part of the reason is the Muslim population in

0:30:12.680 --> 0:30:17.080
<v Speaker 2>Western Sydney. Seats held by labor ministers Tony Burke, Jason

0:30:17.120 --> 0:30:21.560
<v Speaker 2>Clair and Chris Bowen. There's quite an accurate line from

0:30:21.600 --> 0:30:25.240
<v Speaker 2>a refugee advocate and a Herald article today that points

0:30:25.240 --> 0:30:29.440
<v Speaker 2>to this. Refugee advocate Jane Salmon says Tony Burke is

0:30:29.480 --> 0:30:33.040
<v Speaker 2>being forced to walk a fascinating line in Western Sydney

0:30:33.440 --> 0:30:36.960
<v Speaker 2>where he's got to look supportive of refugees, particularly people

0:30:36.960 --> 0:30:40.600
<v Speaker 2>from Palestine, while at the same time trying to be

0:30:40.880 --> 0:30:44.840
<v Speaker 2>Durham light on borders. And it's so true. Tony Burke

0:30:44.880 --> 0:30:48.480
<v Speaker 2>wants to present himself as an immigration minister who's just

0:30:48.520 --> 0:30:51.320
<v Speaker 2>as tough as Peter Dutton, but he's also trying to

0:30:51.360 --> 0:30:52.920
<v Speaker 2>appeal to his constituents.

0:30:53.640 --> 0:30:53.840
<v Speaker 10>Well.

0:30:53.840 --> 0:30:56.520
<v Speaker 2>Tony Burke and his labor mates are now facing a

0:30:56.600 --> 0:31:00.400
<v Speaker 2>challenge to their seats from community based Muslim can credidates

0:31:00.720 --> 0:31:05.680
<v Speaker 2>and grassroots organizations well. In response to this movement, Anti

0:31:05.840 --> 0:31:09.400
<v Speaker 2>Israel figure Bob Carr is supporting a Friends of Burke

0:31:09.480 --> 0:31:12.640
<v Speaker 2>group now. The group has been set up by prominent

0:31:12.800 --> 0:31:17.480
<v Speaker 2>Islamic community leader who's highly respected, doctor Jamal Riffi to

0:31:17.560 --> 0:31:21.320
<v Speaker 2>try to help Tony Burke and Jason Clare keep their jobs,

0:31:21.760 --> 0:31:25.920
<v Speaker 2>and Jamal Riffi joins me. Now, Jamal, welcome again to

0:31:26.000 --> 0:31:29.400
<v Speaker 2>the program. Can you tell us why have you set

0:31:29.480 --> 0:31:32.120
<v Speaker 2>up this group to support Tony.

0:31:31.840 --> 0:31:36.520
<v Speaker 4>Burke and others Aveland Tony Burt for over twenty years

0:31:36.640 --> 0:31:40.840
<v Speaker 4>since he represented us in the seat of Watson, and

0:31:40.920 --> 0:31:44.040
<v Speaker 4>I know his caliber as a person and also as

0:31:44.040 --> 0:31:48.600
<v Speaker 4>a minister. When he was appointed the Immigration and the

0:31:48.640 --> 0:31:52.920
<v Speaker 4>Home Afield Minister, I consulted with so many friends Watson

0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:58.480
<v Speaker 4>and we felt that he wouldn't have time to actually

0:31:58.520 --> 0:32:02.440
<v Speaker 4>conduct a proper campaign need for the next federal election.

0:32:03.040 --> 0:32:06.800
<v Speaker 4>And we've decided collectively that we should do over part

0:32:07.120 --> 0:32:10.600
<v Speaker 4>because we know that he represented us very well in

0:32:10.600 --> 0:32:14.160
<v Speaker 4>the last twenty years, and we also know that there

0:32:14.240 --> 0:32:17.280
<v Speaker 4>is right now he needs all the help that we

0:32:17.360 --> 0:32:20.800
<v Speaker 4>can get because there is a lot of rumors and

0:32:20.880 --> 0:32:25.840
<v Speaker 4>misinformations out there label him, labeling him for what he

0:32:25.960 --> 0:32:28.760
<v Speaker 4>is not. Actually, we know that he is not the

0:32:28.800 --> 0:32:31.320
<v Speaker 4>way they're labeling him, and we thought it was actually

0:32:31.320 --> 0:32:34.600
<v Speaker 4>we should play over part, and we are entitled to

0:32:34.640 --> 0:32:36.760
<v Speaker 4>do whatever they say, but we need to set the

0:32:36.800 --> 0:32:39.880
<v Speaker 4>records straight and will also help him and in the

0:32:39.960 --> 0:32:44.040
<v Speaker 4>process we have one campaign which is friends of Burke,

0:32:44.520 --> 0:32:47.600
<v Speaker 4>but over Aim our two seat as you've said Watson

0:32:47.680 --> 0:32:48.800
<v Speaker 4>and Blacksnan.

0:32:49.440 --> 0:32:52.960
<v Speaker 2>And what concerns do you have about the faith based

0:32:53.200 --> 0:32:58.440
<v Speaker 2>Muslim groups that are active in these marginal seats.

0:32:58.760 --> 0:33:03.640
<v Speaker 4>And principle we are not a Muslim organization or a

0:33:03.680 --> 0:33:08.600
<v Speaker 4>grassroots movement. I have consulted with Muslims, Christians, and we

0:33:08.720 --> 0:33:13.360
<v Speaker 4>have amongst us also people from the Jewish faith and

0:33:13.480 --> 0:33:18.720
<v Speaker 4>also from the Buddhists and non faith people. What the

0:33:18.760 --> 0:33:25.480
<v Speaker 4>common ass is over Aim is to help to correct

0:33:25.520 --> 0:33:30.560
<v Speaker 4>the misinformation and get supporter over local MPs and Jason

0:33:30.640 --> 0:33:34.840
<v Speaker 4>Clear and Tony Burke. What other people are doing to

0:33:34.880 --> 0:33:40.120
<v Speaker 4>be honest, are you know for them to talk about it?

0:33:40.600 --> 0:33:46.000
<v Speaker 4>But we felt that they have labeled Jason and Tony

0:33:48.360 --> 0:33:52.239
<v Speaker 4>as weak on Palistine mainly, and we felt that they

0:33:52.280 --> 0:33:54.960
<v Speaker 4>are not weak on Palistine because we know the policy

0:33:55.560 --> 0:34:00.280
<v Speaker 4>that actually a Labor party put out there and there

0:34:00.280 --> 0:34:02.480
<v Speaker 4>are not weak. And also they are friends of the

0:34:02.560 --> 0:34:06.720
<v Speaker 4>community and they are entitled to be defended. And we

0:34:06.840 --> 0:34:11.320
<v Speaker 4>know that any candidate should take every election very seriously

0:34:11.760 --> 0:34:14.360
<v Speaker 4>and we fell Zoo's candidate would not have time to

0:34:14.440 --> 0:34:16.840
<v Speaker 4>run a good campaign. I drop a campaign, and we

0:34:16.920 --> 0:34:19.160
<v Speaker 4>wanted to help doctor Riffie.

0:34:19.200 --> 0:34:21.680
<v Speaker 2>There have been reports in the City Morning Herald and

0:34:21.800 --> 0:34:25.360
<v Speaker 2>on Sky News that the doctor running against Tony Burke,

0:34:25.440 --> 0:34:30.160
<v Speaker 2>his name is Zad bass Uni, shared social media posts

0:34:30.400 --> 0:34:34.560
<v Speaker 2>that appeared to support the October seven terror attacks. What's

0:34:34.680 --> 0:34:39.480
<v Speaker 2>your view on Zad sharing social media social media posts

0:34:39.800 --> 0:34:43.080
<v Speaker 2>that do support these terror attacks? Solie.

0:34:43.080 --> 0:34:46.799
<v Speaker 4>When we actually made over friends of Bert movement, we

0:34:46.880 --> 0:34:49.960
<v Speaker 4>knew that his Tony Burke is going to have some opposition.

0:34:50.400 --> 0:34:53.960
<v Speaker 4>We didn't know who that opposition was. When doctor Bassijuni

0:34:54.160 --> 0:34:58.920
<v Speaker 4>actually put him himself forward, then it becomes known to

0:34:59.040 --> 0:35:02.120
<v Speaker 4>us that he's also supported by the Muslims vote. We

0:35:02.239 --> 0:35:05.319
<v Speaker 4>are against the Muslims vote and principle because we don't

0:35:05.360 --> 0:35:11.200
<v Speaker 4>agree with face based parties. And I've known doctor Zia

0:35:11.320 --> 0:35:16.080
<v Speaker 4>Basioni for a while. We are general practitioners together and

0:35:16.120 --> 0:35:18.759
<v Speaker 4>we did a lot of work during COVID and before that.

0:35:19.200 --> 0:35:23.040
<v Speaker 4>Now I have no doubt he does not support what

0:35:23.280 --> 0:35:29.360
<v Speaker 4>Hamas did, like myself, because he also wouldn't support anyone

0:35:29.600 --> 0:35:34.239
<v Speaker 4>killing civilians. So I'm not sure, I haven't seen what

0:35:34.400 --> 0:35:37.000
<v Speaker 4>he put at that post, but we have no doubt

0:35:37.080 --> 0:35:41.480
<v Speaker 4>whatever it was, it would not reflect him or myself

0:35:41.520 --> 0:35:44.000
<v Speaker 4>and it does not reflect the majority of the Australian

0:35:44.280 --> 0:35:48.960
<v Speaker 4>Muslims point of view in Australia because we don't condone

0:35:49.040 --> 0:35:50.839
<v Speaker 4>killing of civilian Well, he.

0:35:50.840 --> 0:35:53.279
<v Speaker 2>Did just to reiterate that point. I mean, this is

0:35:53.280 --> 0:35:55.760
<v Speaker 2>the City Morning Herald report and they showed the image

0:35:55.760 --> 0:35:59.520
<v Speaker 2>that he did share social media posts containing an illustration

0:35:59.600 --> 0:36:03.840
<v Speaker 2>of a throwing protester and a machine gun wielding paragliber

0:36:03.920 --> 0:36:06.399
<v Speaker 2>This is just on October twelve, so five days after

0:36:06.440 --> 0:36:09.360
<v Speaker 2>the terror attacks, and the caption was dreams my friend

0:36:09.440 --> 0:36:11.919
<v Speaker 2>come true for those who seek and work to see

0:36:11.960 --> 0:36:14.680
<v Speaker 2>them come true. And as we know, Hamas militants, Hamas

0:36:14.800 --> 0:36:19.360
<v Speaker 2>terrorists use paragliders to breach the border into Israel. On

0:36:19.440 --> 0:36:22.480
<v Speaker 2>October seven, he shared those. He didn't comment when The

0:36:22.520 --> 0:36:25.480
<v Speaker 2>Herald went to him for comment. But do you think

0:36:25.520 --> 0:36:28.480
<v Speaker 2>it would be dangerous having a politician in Canberra who

0:36:28.520 --> 0:36:32.000
<v Speaker 2>had shared social media posts that appear to support the

0:36:32.080 --> 0:36:33.000
<v Speaker 2>terror attacks.

0:36:33.840 --> 0:36:39.000
<v Speaker 4>Look overpopulation would know which politician would represent their review

0:36:39.120 --> 0:36:41.920
<v Speaker 4>and they will voart them in. People who have extreme

0:36:41.960 --> 0:36:45.840
<v Speaker 4>review or who condone these movements that will not be

0:36:45.920 --> 0:36:47.640
<v Speaker 4>voted in without any doubt in.

0:36:47.600 --> 0:36:50.719
<v Speaker 2>My view, Doctor Revi. Just finally, you know we are

0:36:50.760 --> 0:36:54.680
<v Speaker 2>seeing a rise in anti Semitism in Australia. Are you

0:36:54.719 --> 0:36:57.120
<v Speaker 2>worried about this? You've done a lot of work into

0:36:57.160 --> 0:36:58.759
<v Speaker 2>faith work in the past.

0:36:59.480 --> 0:37:03.040
<v Speaker 4>Without an out anti semitism and anti Islamophobia, it will

0:37:03.080 --> 0:37:07.440
<v Speaker 4>impact negatively on over unity as a nation. And also

0:37:07.840 --> 0:37:11.719
<v Speaker 4>I've always said that diversity is important, but unity in

0:37:11.840 --> 0:37:16.040
<v Speaker 4>diversity it's much more important. And what I have seen

0:37:16.160 --> 0:37:20.480
<v Speaker 4>right now, unfortunately it does not reflect the majority of

0:37:21.120 --> 0:37:26.160
<v Speaker 4>Australian population, but that are minority who are targeting people

0:37:26.200 --> 0:37:28.840
<v Speaker 4>of the Islamic face and the Jewish face, and that

0:37:29.000 --> 0:37:32.880
<v Speaker 4>is very unfair and also an impact on over social cohesion.

0:37:33.120 --> 0:37:38.319
<v Speaker 4>We're definitely looking forward for the Anti Semitism's Invoid to

0:37:38.400 --> 0:37:41.400
<v Speaker 4>do her work and hopefully there will be also an

0:37:41.440 --> 0:37:45.000
<v Speaker 4>anti Islamophobia envoid because I know that the government is

0:37:45.040 --> 0:37:46.160
<v Speaker 4>still searching right now.

0:37:46.320 --> 0:37:48.520
<v Speaker 2>Well, I just wanted to actually ask you about that

0:37:48.560 --> 0:37:50.359
<v Speaker 2>because they were meant to be announced at the same

0:37:50.400 --> 0:37:54.719
<v Speaker 2>time at Anti Semitism and Anti Islamophobia Envoy. But I

0:37:54.840 --> 0:37:57.880
<v Speaker 2>hear you say the government's still searching for someone. I

0:37:57.920 --> 0:38:00.080
<v Speaker 2>hear that the government hasn't been able to find any

0:38:00.120 --> 0:38:03.239
<v Speaker 2>want to do that islamophobia role. Why would that be?

0:38:04.520 --> 0:38:06.920
<v Speaker 4>No, I'm sure that there are plenty amongst us that

0:38:07.120 --> 0:38:10.560
<v Speaker 4>actually are quite capable of.

0:38:10.520 --> 0:38:11.319
<v Speaker 1>Doing the job.

0:38:12.400 --> 0:38:15.480
<v Speaker 4>Unfortunately, there will be some other priorities. And I know

0:38:15.640 --> 0:38:18.239
<v Speaker 4>some people that put their hands up and there were

0:38:20.520 --> 0:38:24.120
<v Speaker 4>discussing with them the ins and out of the position.

0:38:24.560 --> 0:38:28.840
<v Speaker 4>And unfortunately some of these people they had family commitment,

0:38:28.960 --> 0:38:32.040
<v Speaker 4>work commitment, not because they are against the idea, but

0:38:32.280 --> 0:38:34.080
<v Speaker 4>just because they couldn't do it themselves.

0:38:34.120 --> 0:38:37.960
<v Speaker 2>Okay, just quickly before you go, we've seen hate preachers

0:38:38.000 --> 0:38:41.360
<v Speaker 2>spreading dangerous messages. Do you think they should be charged

0:38:41.719 --> 0:38:45.400
<v Speaker 2>under race hate laws? In the interest of social cohesion?

0:38:46.920 --> 0:38:49.520
<v Speaker 4>Without any doubt, I reckon we are all well served

0:38:49.560 --> 0:38:55.160
<v Speaker 4>with our current law and legislation and if they can

0:38:55.280 --> 0:38:58.320
<v Speaker 4>act within that the law and the legislations, they should

0:38:59.360 --> 0:39:01.719
<v Speaker 4>act on it. And if they are not and they

0:39:01.760 --> 0:39:04.680
<v Speaker 4>need more legislations, they will discuss it. Was over politician

0:39:04.760 --> 0:39:09.480
<v Speaker 4>and decision makers. I feel that we shouldn't silence people.

0:39:10.400 --> 0:39:15.759
<v Speaker 4>They will have their opinion, they can actually express it

0:39:16.200 --> 0:39:23.319
<v Speaker 4>because it's important for generation to be exposed to all

0:39:23.360 --> 0:39:25.520
<v Speaker 4>these ideas, so surely.

0:39:25.960 --> 0:39:28.920
<v Speaker 2>Discussion anti American and hateful.

0:39:28.600 --> 0:39:31.360
<v Speaker 4>No, no, no, no, definitely not not to that extent.

0:39:31.800 --> 0:39:35.759
<v Speaker 4>And look, there is preachers in the Muslims community. To

0:39:35.800 --> 0:39:39.320
<v Speaker 4>be honest, they have no impact whatsoever because throughout the

0:39:39.440 --> 0:39:43.360
<v Speaker 4>years we always discuss the existence of these opinion and

0:39:43.480 --> 0:39:46.560
<v Speaker 4>ideas and we tell them why we shouldn't follow them,

0:39:46.640 --> 0:39:50.480
<v Speaker 4>and we give them also some resources so they can

0:39:50.680 --> 0:39:55.240
<v Speaker 4>not to be impressionate about it. Unfortunately, there will always

0:39:55.239 --> 0:39:58.920
<v Speaker 4>be some people who have some mental issue, physical issue,

0:39:58.920 --> 0:40:02.799
<v Speaker 4>psychological issue who's impressionate and the impact on them. But

0:40:02.880 --> 0:40:05.240
<v Speaker 4>zar very handful, very handful, to be honest.

0:40:05.480 --> 0:40:08.720
<v Speaker 2>All right, doctor Jamal Riffie, really appreciate your time once again,

0:40:08.760 --> 0:40:13.000
<v Speaker 2>thank you. Now after the break, a comment by so

0:40:13.160 --> 0:40:17.360
<v Speaker 2>called feminist Clementine Ford discrediting the murder of six Israeli

0:40:17.400 --> 0:40:21.160
<v Speaker 2>hostages will leave you speechless. Plus the Prime Minister accused

0:40:21.160 --> 0:40:24.760
<v Speaker 2>of igniting a class war. Why a major lobby group

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<v Speaker 2>is coming after him. That's with my political panel next,

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<v Speaker 2>welcome back. Well, let's bring in now tonight's political panel,

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<v Speaker 2>National Z MP Keith Pitt and Labor MP Daniel Malino.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to you both. We've seen a lot of criticism

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<v Speaker 2>of the RBA. We're now seeing the coalition back away

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<v Speaker 2>from the move to overhaul the RBA board. Keith Pitt,

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<v Speaker 2>What are the coalition's concerns over this? I mean Angus

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<v Speaker 2>Taylor today said that it could give the government the

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity to stack the board. What do you mean by that?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think that's very clear.

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<v Speaker 9>Like every other board with this federal labor government, they

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<v Speaker 9>tend to get union representatives on board. The RBA has

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<v Speaker 9>to maintain its independence. It is incredibly important that they

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<v Speaker 9>can set the interest rate without political interference because that

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<v Speaker 9>is what controls inflation. And it is inflation that is

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<v Speaker 9>out of control and causing the most damage. At the moment,

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<v Speaker 9>everyone I know they are struggling to live shari and

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<v Speaker 9>it's because of the massive increases in costs now.

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<v Speaker 1>Interest rates are a part of that. If you have a.

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<v Speaker 9>Mortgage, but nothing hurts you more than not being able

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<v Speaker 9>to pay your food bill, your electricity bill, and everything

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<v Speaker 9>else associated with your everyday life.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is what's doing the damage.

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<v Speaker 9>And yet we've got a treasurer he wants to get

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<v Speaker 9>in a fight with everything but inflation.

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<v Speaker 2>Daniel Molina what's your response to Angus Taylor's claim today

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<v Speaker 2>that labor could then stack the RBA board with as

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<v Speaker 2>Keith just said, union operatives.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you won't be surprised to hear that.

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<v Speaker 12>I disagree with both Keith and Angus's analysis. Look, the

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<v Speaker 12>reforms that are being put to the Parliament really based

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<v Speaker 12>upon a review that was very well received, that was

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<v Speaker 12>run by international experts and domestic experts. It was a

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<v Speaker 12>series of recommendations that were eminently sensible, and the recommendations

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<v Speaker 12>that have been acted on to date have strengthened the board,

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<v Speaker 12>moving from monthly to six weekly meetings, moving to a

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<v Speaker 12>stronger and more transparent communications regime.

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<v Speaker 1>Now when it comes to moving.

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<v Speaker 12>Towards a board that is separately set up to look

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<v Speaker 12>at interest rate decisions and a board that runs the bank,

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<v Speaker 12>the RBA itself has said that there is merit in

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<v Speaker 12>having some continuity in the people who move across to

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<v Speaker 12>the new board that runs the bank, and there is

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<v Speaker 12>merit in having external experts come on to the new

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<v Speaker 12>board that will set monetary policy decisions. So really, I

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<v Speaker 12>think what we're really seeing here is as Taylor opposing

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<v Speaker 12>moves that the Treasurer has been consulting him on over

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<v Speaker 12>the last several months, trying to find common ground wherever

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<v Speaker 12>possibly reasonably possible, because Angus Taylor sees wrecking at this

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<v Speaker 12>stage as being the best political strategy. What the Treasure

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<v Speaker 12>is put forward is eminently sensible and would have strengthened

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<v Speaker 12>the bank.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's have a look at the furious farmers who turned

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<v Speaker 2>up to Parliament House today protesting the government's live sheep

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<v Speaker 2>expot ban, Keith. They were very angry they turned up

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<v Speaker 2>to Parliament. Obviously the Coalition has already promised to overturn

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<v Speaker 2>this ban. Do you think the government should be looking

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<v Speaker 2>at this now?

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<v Speaker 9>Well, let's look at what's happening to them, Shari. They're

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<v Speaker 9>going to lose their business, they lose their farms, they

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<v Speaker 9>lose their houses, they lose their jobs. And why because

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<v Speaker 9>you have a federal labor government who has made an

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<v Speaker 9>ideological decision to shut down an industry which is lawful,

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<v Speaker 9>there's nothing wrong with it. In fact, it's been a

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<v Speaker 9>great mainstay in Western Australia for a long period of time,

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<v Speaker 9>and why shouldn't they be able to keep their jobs.

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<v Speaker 9>So if you want to keep the sheep, you should

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<v Speaker 9>scrap labor. If you want to keep the sheep, reject labor.

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<v Speaker 9>If you want to keep the shape, stop barting for labor.

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<v Speaker 9>And this is the tip of the iceberg.

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<v Speaker 1>What is next? Which industry is next? And the answer

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<v Speaker 1>is we just don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Daniel, what's your response to this anger by farmers over

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<v Speaker 2>the live xpot man.

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<v Speaker 12>Well, so this was a policy that we've taken to

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<v Speaker 12>the last two elections. It's a policy based on primarily

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<v Speaker 12>animal welfare and would bring us into alignment with best practice. Look,

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<v Speaker 12>what I'd say is I really feel for people who

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<v Speaker 12>are adversely affected by policy, whether it's this one or

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<v Speaker 12>there's any number of policies that governments take whichever side

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<v Speaker 12>is in power that can adversely affect individuals.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's why it's important that there's a.

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<v Speaker 12>Compensation package in place that was widely consulted on. What

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<v Speaker 12>I'd also say is that the live exports part of

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<v Speaker 12>this industry has been in decline for a long time.

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<v Speaker 12>I think it's reduced by ninety percent since the turn

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<v Speaker 12>of the century. It declined significantly under the previous government

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<v Speaker 12>for the decade they are in power. We need to

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<v Speaker 12>help these farmers to pivot to a different part of

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<v Speaker 12>the sector and not pretend that we can continue with

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<v Speaker 12>this part of the sector which has been declining for

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<v Speaker 12>a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, we've got to go where out of time.

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<v Speaker 2>Daniel Malin o'keith Pitt really appreciate it. Thanks now. Coming

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<v Speaker 2>up disgraceful comment by radical activists Clementine Ford and why

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<v Speaker 2>the left and right, the far left and far right

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<v Speaker 2>have fallen into bigotry. Intellectual thought leader Brendon O'Neil joins

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<v Speaker 2>us next. Well, the fraudulent feminist at Clementine Ford has

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<v Speaker 2>outrageously claimed that six Israeli hostages weren't killed by Hamas.

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<v Speaker 2>On social media, she wrote, I don't for a second

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<v Speaker 2>believe that her mass executed the hostages. Israel's desperation stinks.

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<v Speaker 2>Just to be clear, Hamas did execute those young men

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<v Speaker 2>and women in cold blood. But what's even worse is

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<v Speaker 2>that Clementine Ford is still continually invited to speak at

0:46:15.480 --> 0:46:19.200
<v Speaker 2>prestigious forums like the Opera House and writer As festivals.

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<v Speaker 2>The literary elite in this country don't seem to care

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<v Speaker 2>about her callous, insensitive and offensive views, but Brendan O'Neil does.

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<v Speaker 2>He's written an article comparing Clementine Ford to America's right

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<v Speaker 2>wing conspiracy theorist Candice Owens, and I'm pleased to say

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<v Speaker 2>Spiked Onlines chief political writer joins us Now, Brendan, great

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<v Speaker 2>to see you again. Look what do this pair, unlikely

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<v Speaker 2>pair have in common.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, the main thing they have in common is just

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<v Speaker 7>an obsession with Israel and an obsessive hatred for Israel.

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<v Speaker 7>It's really really weird and unsettling to see that someone

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<v Speaker 7>on the hard right like Candice Owens can have so

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<v Speaker 7>much in common with someone on the hard left like Clementine.

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<v Speaker 7>But they really do have a lot in common when

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<v Speaker 7>it comes to the Israel question. You know, when you

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<v Speaker 7>look at Clementine Ford's comment about her mass not killing

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<v Speaker 7>those hostages, it's really depraved. Actually. Number one, they did

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<v Speaker 7>kill them, as you say, and they've said they killed them,

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<v Speaker 7>they've admitted it. But then you also think to yourself,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, this is a woman. She comes from a left,

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<v Speaker 7>the kind of Melbourne left that claims to be anti fascist,

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<v Speaker 7>and yet now she's making excuses for a fascist movement.

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<v Speaker 7>She claims to be a feminist, she claims to care

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<v Speaker 7>about women, but she said nothing about the rape and

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<v Speaker 7>murder of Israeli women on seventh of October. In fact,

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<v Speaker 7>lots of the left in Australia and across the West

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<v Speaker 7>has either said nothing about the persecution of those Jewish

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<v Speaker 7>women or have even denied that it happened. So I

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<v Speaker 7>think Clementine Ford is a good example of how the

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<v Speaker 7>left has completely lost the plot and completely exposed its

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<v Speaker 7>own bigotry since seventh of October and.

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<v Speaker 2>Matt Shorlee by the fire Right and the lunacy of

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<v Speaker 2>the fire right.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, absolutely, we can see now that the far left

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<v Speaker 7>and the far right have come together in a kind

0:48:08.200 --> 0:48:12.040
<v Speaker 7>of pincer movement with Israel and the Jews as their target.

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<v Speaker 7>And it really does show you what happens when you

0:48:14.840 --> 0:48:19.000
<v Speaker 7>fall down the into the cesspit of conspiracy theory, when

0:48:19.000 --> 0:48:21.720
<v Speaker 7>you become convinced that the Jewish state is the source

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<v Speaker 7>of all evil and instability in the world, you end

0:48:24.480 --> 0:48:27.719
<v Speaker 7>up going mad, you end up adhering to very bigoted,

0:48:28.000 --> 0:48:30.759
<v Speaker 7>ugly views. And that's what's happened on both the right,

0:48:31.160 --> 0:48:33.719
<v Speaker 7>sections of the right and sections of the left. And

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<v Speaker 7>I think Candy Zones and Clementine Ford sadly sum up

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<v Speaker 7>this situation very well and I think sensible voices on

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<v Speaker 7>both the left and the right they're still there. They

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<v Speaker 7>need to come together and say no, we're not going

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<v Speaker 7>along with this. We've had enough of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and look, that's what I tried to do just tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a leading Islamic figure on the show who's

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<v Speaker 2>against a lot of the hatred that we're seeing, even

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<v Speaker 2>though we would clearly not agree on the question of

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Middle East. And Now, before you go, Brendan,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to ask you about the big presidential debate tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>What are you expecting when Kamala Harrison Donald Trump go

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<v Speaker 2>head to head.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I'm looking forward to it, I have to say.

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<v Speaker 7>I think Kamala Harris has hidden away for far too

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<v Speaker 7>long from the media, from press conferences. She's only given

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<v Speaker 7>one interview and that was to see it and n

0:49:22.000 --> 0:49:24.719
<v Speaker 7>who gave her a very easy ride. I think she's

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<v Speaker 7>in for a tough time in this debate. Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 7>is a seasoned speaker, he loves talking to the media,

0:49:30.280 --> 0:49:33.799
<v Speaker 7>he loves running rings around people, and she's not very

0:49:33.840 --> 0:49:37.160
<v Speaker 7>practiced and sometimes not very good, so she could be

0:49:37.239 --> 0:49:39.840
<v Speaker 7>in for a rough ride. I think Trump might actually

0:49:39.880 --> 0:49:42.359
<v Speaker 7>do her some damage, but we'll have to wait and see.

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<v Speaker 2>I think yeah, And of course that's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>eleven o'clock tomorrow. Brendan O'Neil. Always love having you on

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<v Speaker 2>the show. Thank you so much for your time, and

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<v Speaker 2>so don't miss the program tomorrow night at eight o'clock.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll have all the analysis from Donald Trump and Kamala Harris. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>the polls could be looking very different after tomorrow debate.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll see. Thank you so much for your company tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>see you tomorrow. And right now he's Paul Murray