Speaker 1: Why on Sky News. This is Sharry.
Speaker 2: Good Evening. Welcome to the program tonight. All spin and
Speaker 2: no substance. That's the Prime Minister's hollow promise over a
Speaker 2: social media ban for kids. His announcement today could be
Speaker 2: straight from the satire utopia. I'll tell you why in
Speaker 2: a moment. Also tonight, the teals accused of supporting the
Speaker 2: Radical Greens seventy percent of the time. Paul Fletcher will
Speaker 2: take us through this new research and we'll look at
Speaker 2: the irresponsible and quite frankly dangerous claims by Clementine Ford
Speaker 2: and Brendan O'Neil. International thought leader would join me to discuss. Plus,
Speaker 2: the stage is set for one of the most anticipated
Speaker 2: presidential debates in modern history, so what can we expect.
Speaker 2: We'll have analysis throughout the show. But first to the
Speaker 2: farce of alban Ezy's announcement about a social media ban
Speaker 2: for kids. Now, this is a popular policy, it's one
Speaker 2: that I personally agree with. But Albaneze's entire pledge today
Speaker 2: was misleading and had come unstuck by midday. I'll show
Speaker 2: you why. First, the Prime Minister did a breakfast television
Speaker 2: blitz to announce a social media ban for young teens.
Speaker 3: What we want to do is to get our kids
Speaker 3: off their devices and onto the footy fields or the
Speaker 3: netball courts. Social media has a social responsibility in order
Speaker 3: to have that social license.
Speaker 4: It's not easy.
Speaker 3: We accept that and the result mightn't be perfect, but.
Speaker 2: If you listen carefully, he was evasive about the detail
Speaker 2: behind it. What age will social media actually be banned
Speaker 2: for kids? He didn't know. He just gave a vague
Speaker 2: answer of somewhere between fourteen and sixteen.
Speaker 3: We're looking at the range between fourteen and sixteen. That's
Speaker 3: one of the reasons why we're having a trial, and
Speaker 3: what we're looking at is how you deliver it.
Speaker 2: But then his minister, Michelle Rowland had a different age
Speaker 2: range when she was asked just a couple of hours later, what.
Speaker 5: We are seeking to do through our age assurance trial
Speaker 5: is examined that range around thirteen to sixteen.
Speaker 2: And how would this social media bound work, How would
Speaker 2: the age limit be enforced, would the tech giants face penalties,
Speaker 2: would there be punishments or The Prime Minister had no clue.
Speaker 2: It was simply a re announcement of a trial that
Speaker 2: we've known about for a long time.
Speaker 3: Know that social media is doing social harm, so that's
Speaker 3: why we've put funding in the budget to have this
Speaker 3: age verification trial.
Speaker 2: So today there was actually no new detail apart from
Speaker 2: the trial that had already been announced four months ago
Speaker 2: in the Maybe these are alarming red flags, but there
Speaker 2: was worse to come. Albanezi said new laws announcing the
Speaker 2: social media age limit would be introduced by the end
Speaker 2: of this year. Well, we're in September, so that's only
Speaker 2: three months away.
Speaker 3: We're committed to introducing legislation before.
Speaker 1: The end of this year.
Speaker 3: We're going to introduce legislation by the end of the
Speaker 3: year and before the end of this year. We will
Speaker 3: introduce legislation by the end of the year.
Speaker 2: So if he's promising new laws, as he said clearly repeatedly,
Speaker 2: he can't back away from that. Now promising new laws
Speaker 2: by the end of the year, that leaves only three
Speaker 2: months to do the trial he announced in the budget
Speaker 2: and then have some firm answers. Well, it seems unlikely,
Speaker 2: but his promise really came unstuck when Communications Minister Michelle
Speaker 2: Roland was asked specifically about what would be in legislation
Speaker 2: and it was extraordinary. She said the legislation could be
Speaker 2: introduced without even an age limit.
Speaker 5: Have a look, we will introduce legislation before the end
Speaker 5: of the year.
Speaker 1: The age with the age limit in place.
Speaker 5: We'll see what comes out of the Age Assurance trial.
Speaker 5: We want to make sure that we get this right
Speaker 5: and so that's why we are committing to introduce this legislation.
Speaker 5: Will continue to have this conversation about age.
Speaker 2: The new laws designed to put a social media age
Speaker 2: limit on kids could be introduced before the end of
Speaker 2: the year without the age limit. Well, this shocked the
Speaker 2: Shadow Communications Minister David Coleman, who first came up with
Speaker 2: this policy idea for a federal ban, because.
Speaker 6: I don't seem to know what the age is and
Speaker 6: Minister Roland seems to have just said that the legislation
Speaker 6: might not actually include the age even how long this
Speaker 6: debate has been going on, How can the government not
Speaker 6: know its opinion is.
Speaker 2: But here's the worst part. Sensationally, David Coleman also revealed
Speaker 2: that the tender for the trial only went out today.
Speaker 6: The tender to run it just went out today. It's
Speaker 6: dated the tenth of September. So things are seriously off
Speaker 6: the rails here.
Speaker 2: And we fact checked it and he's right. Here's that
Speaker 2: tender document. Have a look and it shows the tender
Speaker 2: search for the company to run the trial. So I'll
Speaker 2: just say that again. The tender search for the company
Speaker 2: to run the trial only went out today. As you
Speaker 2: can see, it closes on the seventh of October. That
Speaker 2: means the trial is not even going to begin until
Speaker 2: after mid October, at mid October at the earliest. That
Speaker 2: then leaves about a month and a half for firstly
Speaker 2: the trial to be done and completed, then the legislation
Speaker 2: to be drafted and introduced to the Parliament. You can
Speaker 2: see right now that this is going to be another
Speaker 2: massive broken promise. It's almost unbelievable. Yet, have a look
Speaker 2: at the announcement the Prime Minister made in the tabloid
Speaker 2: newspapers today. In the Daily Telegraph big front page age
Speaker 2: of Reason, it said the Prime Minister will today announce
Speaker 2: the government will legislate age limits for platforms such as Facebook, Instagram,
Speaker 2: TikTok and Snapchat. The Herald Sun front page as well
Speaker 2: win for our kids. The PM will impose minimum age
Speaker 2: for social media used to protect children. And the Career
Speaker 2: Mail front page again Albow to introduce social media age
Speaker 2: limit laws. Well, this is hutzba for the Prime Minister
Speaker 2: planting front pages and doing a breakfast television blitz when
Speaker 2: he doesn't have a single genuine answer or solid idea
Speaker 2: about how the social media ban will work. I mean,
Speaker 2: it reminds me of one of those announceables in the
Speaker 2: political satire The Hollow Men with Rob Sich.
Speaker 1: I don't think we're at the press release stage just yet.
Speaker 1: Come on, we're always at the press release stage.
Speaker 5: But what are we announcing?
Speaker 2: The Prime Minister declares war on a childhood absta But.
Speaker 7: That's just the line.
Speaker 1: What comes next, Well.
Speaker 2: That's your job. Well, that's what you get paid for
Speaker 2: to come up with all the other pages.
Speaker 6: Everybody's really excited about the PM's plan.
Speaker 1: There is no plan.
Speaker 2: We've announced it and people love it.
Speaker 8: Nothing has been decided.
Speaker 2: I mean it's identical. It's funny when it's satire, but
Speaker 2: not when it's reality. Perhaps this media blitz without the
Speaker 2: detail to substantiate the announcement is the work of the
Speaker 2: Prime Minister's overhauld communications team. Albinizi has had his third
Speaker 2: head of media in less than a year. Less than
Speaker 2: one year he went from Liz Fitch to Brett Mason
Speaker 2: and now Fiona Sugden who worked for Kevin O seven
Speaker 2: back in the day. And as you know, Kevin did
Speaker 2: love an announceable. But this isn't just funny. This is
Speaker 2: actually dangerous because in light of alban Ezi's announcement, the
Speaker 2: South Australian Premier Peter Malanaskis said he'd step back from
Speaker 2: his own laws to allow for the national band to
Speaker 2: go ahead.
Speaker 9: Means we get a nationwide solution, which is a far
Speaker 9: better approach than a hot potch of the arrangements around states.
Speaker 4: Which is what we've been advocating for from the outset.
Speaker 2: There's no need for Melanascus to step back because alban
Speaker 2: Ezy and Michelle Roland have no idea what they're talking about,
Speaker 2: They have no details worked out, their plan is a
Speaker 2: long way off and their trial won't even start for
Speaker 2: another month, and as Michelle Roland admitted, their legislation may
Speaker 2: not even include an age limit in it at all.
Speaker 2: What's the point in new laws if there's no age limit.
Speaker 2: It's utterly bizarre and it's a pity because we do
Speaker 2: need a social media age limit for kids for early teenagers.
Speaker 2: Tech giants like TikTok care little about ruining innocent childhoods,
Speaker 2: and our children deserve to have this precious time in
Speaker 2: their lives. Protect it. Yet what we've seen from Albineasy
Speaker 2: today is all spin and no substance. A desperate prime
Speaker 2: minister behind in the polls looking for a popular policy
Speaker 2: to save him, but his announcement barely made it until
Speaker 2: midday before being exposed for its litany of holes. Okay,
Speaker 2: a lot coming up in the show, but now let's
Speaker 2: bring in my Tuesday regular panel, former Speaker of the
Speaker 2: House Bronwan Bishop and Sky News host Caleb Bond. Welcome
Speaker 2: to you both. Look, let's start with that issue today, Bronwin,
Speaker 2: I haven't seen anything like this in quite a while.
Speaker 2: That literally seemed like it could have come from the
Speaker 2: Hollow Man or utopia, but it was reality. And what
Speaker 2: gets me even more is that the media just go
Speaker 2: along with it. No one questions it, they just announce it.
Speaker 8: I'll stop them talking about ten plebsct. I mean, the
Speaker 8: bottom line is this is only half the question. Peter
Speaker 8: Dutton came out what last junent said, he will do
Speaker 8: it in government. Mel Anauskis has come out and said,
Speaker 8: quite honestly, looking like you can't wait for Alba to
Speaker 8: do anything. He's useless.
Speaker 2: I'll do it.
Speaker 8: And then Albo running to catch up and thought, oh gosh,
Speaker 8: And they'll talk about something else. But the reality is
Speaker 8: they're talking about the age limit for kids to get
Speaker 8: on social media is only half the problem. Pornography is
Speaker 8: the huge problem. Look, there's some really interesting research that's
Speaker 8: come out of the United States where it needs to
Speaker 8: be addressed. Like, every second in America, twenty five thousand
Speaker 8: people are watching pornography every second, Like every day, forty
Speaker 8: million regular viewers are watching pornography. Thirty four percent of
Speaker 8: all Internet users experience unwanted pawn experience. Now that includes kids,
Speaker 8: and what happens is that when kids watch it, it
Speaker 8: increases teenage pregnancies. It interrupts the natural development of relationships
Speaker 8: between boys and girls because there's this expectation about what
Speaker 8: sexual sexual connection means.
Speaker 2: It is a.
Speaker 8: Destroying element and yet something it is like the biggest
Speaker 8: user of the Internet, and there is nothing down to
Speaker 8: the tech giants to say stop it, stop it being there,
Speaker 8: and stop it getting the kids and else whose lives
Speaker 8: it destroys.
Speaker 2: Also, look, I think you're right because we've had this,
Speaker 2: we're having this big debate at the moment about gambling advertising,
Speaker 2: but there's very little discussion about what other contents so
Speaker 2: unrestricted to children. And you know one thing you didn't
Speaker 2: mention there was domestic violence. Well it adds and it
Speaker 2: adds to it because there's a big trend in pornography,
Speaker 2: I'm told by experts of choking, and so men think,
Speaker 2: young boys think this is what happens when they have
Speaker 2: sex with a young girl, that they have to choke
Speaker 2: the young girl. But Caleb, I want to get back
Speaker 2: to this social media announcement from the Prime Minister today,
Speaker 2: and it was clearly an announcement, however, welcome and I
Speaker 2: support it absolutely. However welcome, but not one skeric of
Speaker 2: detail behind it, no substance to back it up.
Speaker 10: Well, I would call it policy on the run, but
Speaker 10: you can barely call it policy, right, it's half of
Speaker 10: policy on the run. The reality here is that Peter
Speaker 10: Malanowski seems to be running the country and to be
Speaker 10: perfectly honest, i'd welcome that over Anthony Albanzi. They should
Speaker 10: see the Canberra and make him leader. He'd make it
Speaker 10: he'd be damn sight better as leader than Albanisi and.
Speaker 2: Chris Men's as well. Peter Melanowskis and Chris Men's are
Speaker 2: the model of what a late leader should be like,
Speaker 2: not the lot we've got in Canberra.
Speaker 10: Correct, and it's all good and well to say, as
Speaker 10: you say, most people would support the idea of an
Speaker 10: age limit on social media because we know the damage
Speaker 10: that has been done to children by it. But we've
Speaker 10: known that for a long time. This isn't a revelation
Speaker 10: in any way. It's not new research, it's not new data.
Speaker 10: It's been around for years. So the premiers, after, of course,
Speaker 10: the Opposition, as Bronwind said before, already said they would
Speaker 10: do this in government. The premiers have finally jumped on
Speaker 10: board and said, well, we're actually going to get on
Speaker 10: with it. The Prime Minister realizes quite rightly that it
Speaker 10: will be unworkable if every state has their own rules.
Speaker 10: One could say sixteen, I could say fourteen, one could
Speaker 10: say thirteen.
Speaker 2: Have seen the side work? Will he this one's the
Speaker 2: positive press?
Speaker 10: But sure, sure, sure, But that's why he needs to
Speaker 10: come up with an age This need this should have
Speaker 10: been put forward when there was a concrete decision about
Speaker 10: how this would work. And it's not just about age.
Speaker 10: We need to be told how it's going to be implemented.
Speaker 10: What's the system whereby we work out the age of
Speaker 10: the people who are trying to sign up for social media?
Speaker 10: Are we using AI technology to assess their faces? Are
Speaker 10: we expecting them to put in their birth certificate? None
Speaker 10: of this detail has been outlined. You cannot have a
Speaker 10: system that prevents children from using social media without having
Speaker 10: all of that in place, and none of that exists.
Speaker 10: It's a great idea, but there's no substance to it.
Speaker 2: It just got the sense that he's had a run
Speaker 2: of bad polls, the momentums in Peter Dutton's direction Brodwin
Speaker 2: and so the Prime Minister was looking for something correct popular,
Speaker 2: I mean news polls probably in the field this week.
Speaker 1: Correct.
Speaker 2: So he's gone for this announcement, but then couldn't answer
Speaker 2: any of the questions when he did his Breakfast TV
Speaker 2: BULLITTZ catch up politics.
Speaker 8: He was left behind. He has always left behind. Is
Speaker 8: an absolute disaster. There is no leadership there at all.
Speaker 2: And on the economy, we'll just have a look at
Speaker 2: another poll today. This is the Guardian survey and it
Speaker 2: found that more voters are blaming Labor alban Easy for
Speaker 2: interest rate rises. Forty four percent put the responsibility on
Speaker 2: the government and this is up from thirty one percent
Speaker 2: in February last year. So clearly Labor is trying to
Speaker 2: shift the blame onto the RBA. But according to two
Speaker 2: poles now the result pole in the Herald yesterday this
Speaker 2: one in the Guardian, Caleber doesn't look like the voters of.
Speaker 10: And that's why they've been trying to shift the blame.
Speaker 10: But people are not stupid, and it's often said that
Speaker 10: the electorate always gets it right, and they can see
Speaker 10: they're not stupid that the main reason that interest rates
Speaker 10: have gone up, apart from the number one issue that
Speaker 10: they've identified there, which is that prices have gone up. Sure,
Speaker 10: but why have prices gone up? The RBA can only
Speaker 10: pull one lever and it's the same leave they always pull,
Speaker 10: and that is to increase interest rates. But people can
Speaker 10: see that that doesn't just happen in a vacuum. It
Speaker 10: happens because of economic circumstances, and the government keeps pumping
Speaker 10: money into the economy via projects and e'snomic stimulus and
Speaker 10: whatever else. And that leads to inflation. Well, what's the
Speaker 10: RBA meant to do after that? And I know we've
Speaker 10: all engaged in a bit of RBA bashing at certain times,
Speaker 10: and I certainly have as well when Philip Lowe was
Speaker 10: running the show. But I think Michelle Bullock has been
Speaker 10: a great communicator as RBA governor. She's made the case
Speaker 10: very well for what they are doing, and I think
Speaker 10: that's cutting through increasingly according to this poll, and people
Speaker 10: can see that if it were not for the fact
Speaker 10: that the government will not pull its own weight, the
Speaker 10: RBA wouldn't have to pull even more weight, and we're
Speaker 10: the ones who are ultimately paying for that.
Speaker 2: Look, it might be a case of be careful what
Speaker 2: you wish for because the government announced you working processes
Speaker 2: for the RBA. So that Michelle Bullock is fronting up
Speaker 2: to the cameras more, taking questions from journalists, more bronwyin.
Speaker 2: But on the flip side, you know she has the
Speaker 2: opportunity to say things like government spending, state owned federal
Speaker 2: is contributing to inflation remaining persistent.
Speaker 8: Well, absolutely, and she's turned out to be a very
Speaker 8: fine appointment. And I think the charmers thought she'd be
Speaker 8: a pushover, and it hasn't turned out that way. But
Speaker 8: he is literally sounding like a child throwing a tantrum,
Speaker 8: stamping his foot. Give me my RBA changes now, I
Speaker 8: want them now. I mean he sounds like the girl
Speaker 8: out of Willie Wonka, doesn't he for Suker Salt? I mean, seriously,
Speaker 8: I watch him say and the next expression he's almost
Speaker 8: like to say, and if you don't give me what
Speaker 8: I want, I'll scream. Well, he's words about smashing the economy,
Speaker 8: and then he's ex boss weighing in with RBA punching
Speaker 8: itself in the face. What sort of language is that
Speaker 8: coming from so called responsible people?
Speaker 10: The other thing in willi one group, of course, was
Speaker 10: the golden goose that lays the golden meg. Mister Chalmers
Speaker 10: might take notice of who that golden goose is and
Speaker 10: who labs Absolutely.
Speaker 2: We'll come back to this political brawl about the Iba
Speaker 2: Overhols later in the show with my political panel. But
Speaker 2: let's turn to the US now because Kamala, Harris and
Speaker 2: Tramp are going head to head their first presidential debate.
Speaker 2: That's eleven o'clock tomorrow our time. You can watch it
Speaker 2: here on Sky News now, there's going to be a
Speaker 2: lot of rules around this debate, similar to Trump, similar
Speaker 2: to end Trump went up against Joe Biden, no live audience,
Speaker 2: no pre written notes, and strict speaking time limits. This
Speaker 2: debate bronwin is going to be very important for Kamala,
Speaker 2: very high risk for her because she's tried her hardest
Speaker 2: not to be put on the spot with any live interviews,
Speaker 2: let alone a live debate like this.
Speaker 8: Well, yes, but there's I reckon that the press over
Speaker 8: there in the United States have already written their stories
Speaker 8: for post of the debate. They were already saying She's won,
Speaker 8: wasn't she fantastic? I don't think it matters what happens.
Speaker 8: That's the story they'll run. So I think although a
Speaker 8: lot of people will watch it, I think they'll be
Speaker 8: drawing their own conclusions rather than what the media is saying.
Speaker 8: But it will have an impact. So I'm of two
Speaker 8: minds about this. It is likely to be the only
Speaker 8: engagement they have. I don't think there'll be any seconds.
Speaker 8: I just feel that she's up them now, being absolutely
Speaker 8: force fed information, and there'll be rules. No giggling, no laughing,
Speaker 8: don't put on your silly face, try and look sensible
Speaker 8: and restrained. I mean, it'll be all this sort of thing.
Speaker 8: It's like a kid trying to cram for the exam
Speaker 8: and retain as much information you can, knowing you'll never
Speaker 8: remember much of it after the exact because there.
Speaker 2: Were pots that she asked to have notes taken in
Speaker 2: exaccurate but that was reported and that request was denied. Caleb,
Speaker 2: of course, you know Trump is going to have to
Speaker 2: make sure that he has his messages more targeted to
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris, because he has struggled to reframe his campaign
Speaker 2: after Biden left.
Speaker 10: That is true, and of course if you look at
Speaker 10: the last debate, there was very little policy substance at all.
Speaker 10: It was purely a personality thing because the objective for
Speaker 10: Trump was to show Biden up as the wally that
Speaker 10: he was. And someone argued that's perhaps what the Democrats
Speaker 10: wanted to do in the first place, did to move
Speaker 10: him on and have him replaced. That was the opportunity
Speaker 10: to show the world exactly how bad he was. And
Speaker 10: so Kamala has to be very careful tomorrow not to
Speaker 10: veer into the word salad territory, because that's where she
Speaker 10: could sort of go down the same road as Biden
Speaker 10: and look totally weak. But you will not see I
Speaker 10: don't think tomorrow much policy substance at all. You never
Speaker 10: get them out of the debates. It devolves purely into personality,
Speaker 10: and on that count Trump can usually win. It will
Speaker 10: all depend on how badly Kamala can perform, and will
Speaker 10: go further into this on the late debate tonight. But
Speaker 10: she has actually had a Trump impersonator hold up in
Speaker 10: a hotel room with her that has been lit up
Speaker 10: with stage lights as though she were actually doing debait,
Speaker 10: debating the bloke to see whether she can do it
Speaker 10: up against Trump. Now, that is extraordinary. I mean, you
Speaker 10: can't imagine Donald Trump in a room with someone pretending
Speaker 10: to be Kamala.
Speaker 2: Arris well, apart from the theatric so of it, but
Speaker 2: that is normal campaign prep though, to have us to
Speaker 2: have other people throwings at you at one hundred percent, not.
Speaker 10: Someone who's in personal Donald Trump, surely.
Speaker 2: I don't think about unusual. They want to be prepared.
Speaker 2: Look just quickly before we go. It's been revealed today
Speaker 2: that Penny Wang has welcomed uk PM Keir Starmer's decision
Speaker 2: to suspend arms expots to Israel. Pennywong told The Guardian
Speaker 2: that Australia is working with partners including the UK, to
Speaker 2: put pressure to see a real change in the situation
Speaker 2: in Gaza. I mean run when God forbid. You know,
Speaker 2: Australia should support Israel as it moves to fend off terrorists.
Speaker 8: Penny Wong is a disgrace, an absolute disgrace. At every
Speaker 8: turn she has turned on Israel. She is trying her
Speaker 8: hardest to appeal to those Western Sydney seats to try
Speaker 8: and look after the people who are there. Penny Wong
Speaker 8: came from a country, Malaysia, where there were dreadful race rights.
Speaker 8: Did she not learn that to promote this sort of
Speaker 8: hatred that is coming out of the lack of leadership
Speaker 8: from this labor government to stop and to say that
Speaker 8: there is no place in this country for Hamas and
Speaker 8: for the supporters of hamas, and.
Speaker 2: Say harmask can have no role in the future governing
Speaker 2: of Gaza.
Speaker 8: But there's meaning us she does this.
Speaker 2: She has also you know a lot of criticism for.
Speaker 10: Israel kla correct and I mean if you look at
Speaker 10: women to have orucus, we're meant to be in lockstep
Speaker 10: the US. The UK and Australia lockstep when it comes
Speaker 10: to defense. The US has criticized privately the UK for
Speaker 10: doing this and has told them not to go ahead
Speaker 10: with this weapon sale band to Israel. I'll note that
Speaker 10: we haven't sold weapons to Israel for five years. But
Speaker 10: if we as an out enough for us, well, lady correct.
Speaker 10: But if ucas as an outfit cannot agree on things
Speaker 10: as simple as this, I think it bodes badly for
Speaker 10: us going forward. We should be in lockstep. You've got
Speaker 10: a left wing government in the UK now cooperating with
Speaker 10: a le wing government in Australia. Even the left wing
Speaker 10: government in the US is not on board.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very yeah, exactly, very concerning. All right, Calebine, We'll
Speaker 2: see you ten o'clock, Bronwin, thank you so much. Now.
Speaker 2: The Teals have been desperate to present themselves as independent,
Speaker 2: but according to new research, they've been voting with the
Speaker 2: Radical Greens most of the time. The parliamentary research published
Speaker 2: by Jeff Chambers and the Odds Today shows that the
Speaker 2: seven Teal MPs voted with the Greens between seventy three
Speaker 2: and eighty one percent of the time since the last election.
Speaker 2: And here's how that individual breakdown looks. So this is
Speaker 2: on substantive bills which, if pass became law. Zoey Daniel
Speaker 2: voted with the Greens eighty one percent of the time,
Speaker 2: Sophie Scamps eighty percent, Minique Ryan seventy eight percent, Zalie
Speaker 2: Steggles seventy six percent, Kylie Tink seventy six, Allegraspender seventy
Speaker 2: four percent of the time and Kate Cheney seventy three.
Speaker 2: And the research shows Parliament true research that the group
Speaker 2: of seven tials mostly voted together as a pack and
Speaker 2: they voted the same way eighty three percent of the time. Now,
Speaker 2: the current Albanzi government is a far left labor party,
Speaker 2: as I said, unlike the moderate labor governments in New
Speaker 2: South Wales and South Australia. But even Albanezi has called
Speaker 2: the Greens extremists.
Speaker 3: It is unacceptable that misinformation has been consciously and deliberately
Speaker 3: spread by some Green senators and mpeace. He have engaged
Speaker 3: in this in demonstrations outside offices and online that includes
Speaker 3: knowingly misrepresenting motions that are moved in this Parliament.
Speaker 2: Joining me now to discuss is the Manager of Opposition
Speaker 2: Business Paul Fletcher pol thanks for your time. Look, can
Speaker 2: you explains can you explain what this means if the
Speaker 2: Teals are voting alongside the Greens around seventy percent of
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 11: Well, this research is very significant because it is based
Speaker 11: on an analysis of the Teals voting record in now
Speaker 11: more than two years of the Federal Parliament. And what
Speaker 11: it finds is that on the substantive bills, so a
Speaker 11: second reading or a third reading vote on a bill,
Speaker 11: if you add all of those up, then up to
Speaker 11: eighty one percent of the time a Teal MP is
Speaker 11: voting with the Greens. And so this is I think
Speaker 11: a very significant finding if we look at some of
Speaker 11: the instances where this occurred. For example, there was an
Speaker 11: attempt by the Greens to move emotion or have the
Speaker 11: Parliament pass the motion shortly after the appalling terrorist attack
Speaker 11: in Israel, which would have criticized Israel and would have
Speaker 11: accused it of war crimes and of an illegal occupation
Speaker 11: of Gaza. Now Sophie Scomps and Kylie Tink, two of
Speaker 11: the Teals, voted with that attempted Green's motion. Earlier this year,
Speaker 11: there was a motion moved by the Greens by Adam
Speaker 11: Band which would have taken the proposed super profit tax
Speaker 11: so called superprofit tax on gas proposed by the government
Speaker 11: doubled it and the Teals supported that motion. So I
Speaker 11: think many of the people who voted for the Teals
Speaker 11: would be quite surprised to find that they are voting
Speaker 11: with the extreme radical Greens as often as they are.
Speaker 2: Well, the Teals do mostly pose a threat to the
Speaker 2: Liberal Party, not to Labor. Realistically, do you expect the
Speaker 2: Liberals will be able to win any seats back from
Speaker 2: the Teals at the next election, and if so which.
Speaker 7: Well?
Speaker 11: Our focus will be on communicating to the Australian people
Speaker 11: and whichever electorate they happen to live that First of all,
Speaker 11: we are facing an economic tailspin under this government. We've
Speaker 11: seen real incomes drop by close to ten percent. Of course,
Speaker 11: we've seen inflation sticking in persistent. This government has no
Speaker 11: idea what to do about it. So our proposition to
Speaker 11: voters in whichever seat you're in, whether it's a seat
Speaker 11: currently represented by a TLMP, a Labor MP, whoever it
Speaker 11: might be, our proposition will be that the coalition, the
Speaker 11: Liberal and National Parties have the experience and the capacity
Speaker 11: to deliver the capable economic management that we need so
Speaker 11: that Australians can start to feel better off again, because
Speaker 11: at the moment, nobody feels better off compared to two
Speaker 11: and a half years ago, and that's going to be
Speaker 11: the case. I'd suggest you wherever in Australia you live,
Speaker 11: whichever electorate you're in.
Speaker 2: But do you think there are any realistic propositions of
Speaker 2: the Liberals winning back seats from the tills? I mean,
Speaker 2: what do you think about Allegraspander in Wentworth? Do you
Speaker 2: think there's a chance there for the Liberals? Which other
Speaker 2: seats are win a book?
Speaker 11: Well, I think what we need to do, and indeed
Speaker 11: what we are doing is getting capable candidates in the
Speaker 11: field Ronox and Wentworth for example, working very hard, Amelia
Speaker 11: Hamer and Koyong and a range of other candidates, Tim
Speaker 11: Wilson and Goldstein working hard making the case to voters
Speaker 11: in those electorates that the Liberal and National Government has
Speaker 11: the right experience and capabilities to turn round this economic
Speaker 11: tail spin that Australia is in at the moment, and
Speaker 11: so that'll be our focus. These will be decisions for
Speaker 11: the Australian people. But it is important I think that
Speaker 11: people understand if they have a till member of Parliament
Speaker 11: right now that the Tells Party is voting with the
Speaker 11: Greens part between seventy six and eighty one percent of
Speaker 11: the time on those emotions on substantive bills, and so
Speaker 11: the Australian people will make up their own mind. But
Speaker 11: it's important that they understand the true character of all
Speaker 11: of the candidates that they're considering when it comes time
Speaker 11: for the next election.
Speaker 2: Right Paul Fletcher, really appreciate your time now still to come.
Speaker 2: The irresponsible and dangerous claims of Clementine Ford Well, Brendan
Speaker 2: O'Neil would tear her and countersul and apart. He's on
Speaker 2: the show a bit later. Plus the rising threat of
Speaker 2: independent Muslim candidates sees the launch of a new group
Speaker 2: aimed at keeping top labor ministers like Tony Burke in
Speaker 2: their jobs. Jamal Riffi would join me to talk about
Speaker 2: his rival group and why he wants Burke to stay
Speaker 2: in the job. That's right after the break welcome back. Well.
Speaker 2: Labor hasn't been particularly supportive of Israel since it was
Speaker 2: attacked by terrorists on October se That's to say the least.
Speaker 2: The decision today to back. The UK's export bound of
Speaker 2: arms by Penny Wong is just the latest hostile move
Speaker 2: and part of the reason is the Muslim population in
Speaker 2: Western Sydney. Seats held by labor ministers Tony Burke, Jason
Speaker 2: Clair and Chris Bowen. There's quite an accurate line from
Speaker 2: a refugee advocate and a Herald article today that points
Speaker 2: to this. Refugee advocate Jane Salmon says Tony Burke is
Speaker 2: being forced to walk a fascinating line in Western Sydney
Speaker 2: where he's got to look supportive of refugees, particularly people
Speaker 2: from Palestine, while at the same time trying to be
Speaker 2: Durham light on borders. And it's so true. Tony Burke
Speaker 2: wants to present himself as an immigration minister who's just
Speaker 2: as tough as Peter Dutton, but he's also trying to
Speaker 2: appeal to his constituents.
Speaker 10: Well.
Speaker 2: Tony Burke and his labor mates are now facing a
Speaker 2: challenge to their seats from community based Muslim can credidates
Speaker 2: and grassroots organizations well. In response to this movement, Anti
Speaker 2: Israel figure Bob Carr is supporting a Friends of Burke
Speaker 2: group now. The group has been set up by prominent
Speaker 2: Islamic community leader who's highly respected, doctor Jamal Riffi to
Speaker 2: try to help Tony Burke and Jason Clare keep their jobs,
Speaker 2: and Jamal Riffi joins me. Now, Jamal, welcome again to
Speaker 2: the program. Can you tell us why have you set
Speaker 2: up this group to support Tony.
Speaker 4: Burke and others Aveland Tony Burt for over twenty years
Speaker 4: since he represented us in the seat of Watson, and
Speaker 4: I know his caliber as a person and also as
Speaker 4: a minister. When he was appointed the Immigration and the
Speaker 4: Home Afield Minister, I consulted with so many friends Watson
Speaker 4: and we felt that he wouldn't have time to actually
Speaker 4: conduct a proper campaign need for the next federal election.
Speaker 4: And we've decided collectively that we should do over part
Speaker 4: because we know that he represented us very well in
Speaker 4: the last twenty years, and we also know that there
Speaker 4: is right now he needs all the help that we
Speaker 4: can get because there is a lot of rumors and
Speaker 4: misinformations out there label him, labeling him for what he
Speaker 4: is not. Actually, we know that he is not the
Speaker 4: way they're labeling him, and we thought it was actually
Speaker 4: we should play over part, and we are entitled to
Speaker 4: do whatever they say, but we need to set the
Speaker 4: records straight and will also help him and in the
Speaker 4: process we have one campaign which is friends of Burke,
Speaker 4: but over Aim our two seat as you've said Watson
Speaker 4: and Blacksnan.
Speaker 2: And what concerns do you have about the faith based
Speaker 2: Muslim groups that are active in these marginal seats.
Speaker 4: And principle we are not a Muslim organization or a
Speaker 4: grassroots movement. I have consulted with Muslims, Christians, and we
Speaker 4: have amongst us also people from the Jewish faith and
Speaker 4: also from the Buddhists and non faith people. What the
Speaker 4: common ass is over Aim is to help to correct
Speaker 4: the misinformation and get supporter over local MPs and Jason
Speaker 4: Clear and Tony Burke. What other people are doing to
Speaker 4: be honest, are you know for them to talk about it?
Speaker 4: But we felt that they have labeled Jason and Tony
Speaker 4: as weak on Palistine mainly, and we felt that they
Speaker 4: are not weak on Palistine because we know the policy
Speaker 4: that actually a Labor party put out there and there
Speaker 4: are not weak. And also they are friends of the
Speaker 4: community and they are entitled to be defended. And we
Speaker 4: know that any candidate should take every election very seriously
Speaker 4: and we fell Zoo's candidate would not have time to
Speaker 4: run a good campaign. I drop a campaign, and we
Speaker 4: wanted to help doctor Riffie.
Speaker 2: There have been reports in the City Morning Herald and
Speaker 2: on Sky News that the doctor running against Tony Burke,
Speaker 2: his name is Zad bass Uni, shared social media posts
Speaker 2: that appeared to support the October seven terror attacks. What's
Speaker 2: your view on Zad sharing social media social media posts
Speaker 2: that do support these terror attacks? Solie.
Speaker 4: When we actually made over friends of Bert movement, we
Speaker 4: knew that his Tony Burke is going to have some opposition.
Speaker 4: We didn't know who that opposition was. When doctor Bassijuni
Speaker 4: actually put him himself forward, then it becomes known to
Speaker 4: us that he's also supported by the Muslims vote. We
Speaker 4: are against the Muslims vote and principle because we don't
Speaker 4: agree with face based parties. And I've known doctor Zia
Speaker 4: Basioni for a while. We are general practitioners together and
Speaker 4: we did a lot of work during COVID and before that.
Speaker 4: Now I have no doubt he does not support what
Speaker 4: Hamas did, like myself, because he also wouldn't support anyone
Speaker 4: killing civilians. So I'm not sure, I haven't seen what
Speaker 4: he put at that post, but we have no doubt
Speaker 4: whatever it was, it would not reflect him or myself
Speaker 4: and it does not reflect the majority of the Australian
Speaker 4: Muslims point of view in Australia because we don't condone
Speaker 4: killing of civilian Well, he.
Speaker 2: Did just to reiterate that point. I mean, this is
Speaker 2: the City Morning Herald report and they showed the image
Speaker 2: that he did share social media posts containing an illustration
Speaker 2: of a throwing protester and a machine gun wielding paragliber
Speaker 2: This is just on October twelve, so five days after
Speaker 2: the terror attacks, and the caption was dreams my friend
Speaker 2: come true for those who seek and work to see
Speaker 2: them come true. And as we know, Hamas militants, Hamas
Speaker 2: terrorists use paragliders to breach the border into Israel. On
Speaker 2: October seven, he shared those. He didn't comment when The
Speaker 2: Herald went to him for comment. But do you think
Speaker 2: it would be dangerous having a politician in Canberra who
Speaker 2: had shared social media posts that appear to support the
Speaker 2: terror attacks.
Speaker 4: Look overpopulation would know which politician would represent their review
Speaker 4: and they will voart them in. People who have extreme
Speaker 4: review or who condone these movements that will not be
Speaker 4: voted in without any doubt in.
Speaker 2: My view, Doctor Revi. Just finally, you know we are
Speaker 2: seeing a rise in anti Semitism in Australia. Are you
Speaker 2: worried about this? You've done a lot of work into
Speaker 2: faith work in the past.
Speaker 4: Without an out anti semitism and anti Islamophobia, it will
Speaker 4: impact negatively on over unity as a nation. And also
Speaker 4: I've always said that diversity is important, but unity in
Speaker 4: diversity it's much more important. And what I have seen
Speaker 4: right now, unfortunately it does not reflect the majority of
Speaker 4: Australian population, but that are minority who are targeting people
Speaker 4: of the Islamic face and the Jewish face, and that
Speaker 4: is very unfair and also an impact on over social cohesion.
Speaker 4: We're definitely looking forward for the Anti Semitism's Invoid to
Speaker 4: do her work and hopefully there will be also an
Speaker 4: anti Islamophobia envoid because I know that the government is
Speaker 4: still searching right now.
Speaker 2: Well, I just wanted to actually ask you about that
Speaker 2: because they were meant to be announced at the same
Speaker 2: time at Anti Semitism and Anti Islamophobia Envoy. But I
Speaker 2: hear you say the government's still searching for someone. I
Speaker 2: hear that the government hasn't been able to find any
Speaker 2: want to do that islamophobia role. Why would that be?
Speaker 4: No, I'm sure that there are plenty amongst us that
Speaker 4: actually are quite capable of.
Speaker 1: Doing the job.
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, there will be some other priorities. And I know
Speaker 4: some people that put their hands up and there were
Speaker 4: discussing with them the ins and out of the position.
Speaker 4: And unfortunately some of these people they had family commitment,
Speaker 4: work commitment, not because they are against the idea, but
Speaker 4: just because they couldn't do it themselves.
Speaker 2: Okay, just quickly before you go, we've seen hate preachers
Speaker 2: spreading dangerous messages. Do you think they should be charged
Speaker 2: under race hate laws? In the interest of social cohesion?
Speaker 4: Without any doubt, I reckon we are all well served
Speaker 4: with our current law and legislation and if they can
Speaker 4: act within that the law and the legislations, they should
Speaker 4: act on it. And if they are not and they
Speaker 4: need more legislations, they will discuss it. Was over politician
Speaker 4: and decision makers. I feel that we shouldn't silence people.
Speaker 4: They will have their opinion, they can actually express it
Speaker 4: because it's important for generation to be exposed to all
Speaker 4: these ideas, so surely.
Speaker 2: Discussion anti American and hateful.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, definitely not not to that extent.
Speaker 4: And look, there is preachers in the Muslims community. To
Speaker 4: be honest, they have no impact whatsoever because throughout the
Speaker 4: years we always discuss the existence of these opinion and
Speaker 4: ideas and we tell them why we shouldn't follow them,
Speaker 4: and we give them also some resources so they can
Speaker 4: not to be impressionate about it. Unfortunately, there will always
Speaker 4: be some people who have some mental issue, physical issue,
Speaker 4: psychological issue who's impressionate and the impact on them. But
Speaker 4: zar very handful, very handful, to be honest.
Speaker 2: All right, doctor Jamal Riffie, really appreciate your time once again,
Speaker 2: thank you. Now after the break, a comment by so
Speaker 2: called feminist Clementine Ford discrediting the murder of six Israeli
Speaker 2: hostages will leave you speechless. Plus the Prime Minister accused
Speaker 2: of igniting a class war. Why a major lobby group
Speaker 2: is coming after him. That's with my political panel next,
Speaker 2: welcome back. Well, let's bring in now tonight's political panel,
Speaker 2: National Z MP Keith Pitt and Labor MP Daniel Malino.
Speaker 2: Welcome to you both. We've seen a lot of criticism
Speaker 2: of the RBA. We're now seeing the coalition back away
Speaker 2: from the move to overhaul the RBA board. Keith Pitt,
Speaker 2: What are the coalition's concerns over this? I mean Angus
Speaker 2: Taylor today said that it could give the government the
Speaker 2: opportunity to stack the board. What do you mean by that?
Speaker 1: Well, I think that's very clear.
Speaker 9: Like every other board with this federal labor government, they
Speaker 9: tend to get union representatives on board. The RBA has
Speaker 9: to maintain its independence. It is incredibly important that they
Speaker 9: can set the interest rate without political interference because that
Speaker 9: is what controls inflation. And it is inflation that is
Speaker 9: out of control and causing the most damage. At the moment,
Speaker 9: everyone I know they are struggling to live shari and
Speaker 9: it's because of the massive increases in costs now.
Speaker 1: Interest rates are a part of that. If you have a.
Speaker 9: Mortgage, but nothing hurts you more than not being able
Speaker 9: to pay your food bill, your electricity bill, and everything
Speaker 9: else associated with your everyday life.
Speaker 1: And that is what's doing the damage.
Speaker 9: And yet we've got a treasurer he wants to get
Speaker 9: in a fight with everything but inflation.
Speaker 2: Daniel Molina what's your response to Angus Taylor's claim today
Speaker 2: that labor could then stack the RBA board with as
Speaker 2: Keith just said, union operatives.
Speaker 1: Well, you won't be surprised to hear that.
Speaker 12: I disagree with both Keith and Angus's analysis. Look, the
Speaker 12: reforms that are being put to the Parliament really based
Speaker 12: upon a review that was very well received, that was
Speaker 12: run by international experts and domestic experts. It was a
Speaker 12: series of recommendations that were eminently sensible, and the recommendations
Speaker 12: that have been acted on to date have strengthened the board,
Speaker 12: moving from monthly to six weekly meetings, moving to a
Speaker 12: stronger and more transparent communications regime.
Speaker 1: Now when it comes to moving.
Speaker 12: Towards a board that is separately set up to look
Speaker 12: at interest rate decisions and a board that runs the bank,
Speaker 12: the RBA itself has said that there is merit in
Speaker 12: having some continuity in the people who move across to
Speaker 12: the new board that runs the bank, and there is
Speaker 12: merit in having external experts come on to the new
Speaker 12: board that will set monetary policy decisions. So really, I
Speaker 12: think what we're really seeing here is as Taylor opposing
Speaker 12: moves that the Treasurer has been consulting him on over
Speaker 12: the last several months, trying to find common ground wherever
Speaker 12: possibly reasonably possible, because Angus Taylor sees wrecking at this
Speaker 12: stage as being the best political strategy. What the Treasure
Speaker 12: is put forward is eminently sensible and would have strengthened
Speaker 12: the bank.
Speaker 2: Let's have a look at the furious farmers who turned
Speaker 2: up to Parliament House today protesting the government's live sheep
Speaker 2: expot ban, Keith. They were very angry they turned up
Speaker 2: to Parliament. Obviously the Coalition has already promised to overturn
Speaker 2: this ban. Do you think the government should be looking
Speaker 2: at this now?
Speaker 9: Well, let's look at what's happening to them, Shari. They're
Speaker 9: going to lose their business, they lose their farms, they
Speaker 9: lose their houses, they lose their jobs. And why because
Speaker 9: you have a federal labor government who has made an
Speaker 9: ideological decision to shut down an industry which is lawful,
Speaker 9: there's nothing wrong with it. In fact, it's been a
Speaker 9: great mainstay in Western Australia for a long period of time,
Speaker 9: and why shouldn't they be able to keep their jobs.
Speaker 9: So if you want to keep the sheep, you should
Speaker 9: scrap labor. If you want to keep the sheep, reject labor.
Speaker 9: If you want to keep the shape, stop barting for labor.
Speaker 9: And this is the tip of the iceberg.
Speaker 1: What is next? Which industry is next? And the answer
Speaker 1: is we just don't know.
Speaker 2: Daniel, what's your response to this anger by farmers over
Speaker 2: the live xpot man.
Speaker 12: Well, so this was a policy that we've taken to
Speaker 12: the last two elections. It's a policy based on primarily
Speaker 12: animal welfare and would bring us into alignment with best practice. Look,
Speaker 12: what I'd say is I really feel for people who
Speaker 12: are adversely affected by policy, whether it's this one or
Speaker 12: there's any number of policies that governments take whichever side
Speaker 12: is in power that can adversely affect individuals.
Speaker 1: So that's why it's important that there's a.
Speaker 12: Compensation package in place that was widely consulted on. What
Speaker 12: I'd also say is that the live exports part of
Speaker 12: this industry has been in decline for a long time.
Speaker 12: I think it's reduced by ninety percent since the turn
Speaker 12: of the century. It declined significantly under the previous government
Speaker 12: for the decade they are in power. We need to
Speaker 12: help these farmers to pivot to a different part of
Speaker 12: the sector and not pretend that we can continue with
Speaker 12: this part of the sector which has been declining for
Speaker 12: a long time.
Speaker 2: All Right, we've got to go where out of time.
Speaker 2: Daniel Malin o'keith Pitt really appreciate it. Thanks now. Coming
Speaker 2: up disgraceful comment by radical activists Clementine Ford and why
Speaker 2: the left and right, the far left and far right
Speaker 2: have fallen into bigotry. Intellectual thought leader Brendon O'Neil joins
Speaker 2: us next. Well, the fraudulent feminist at Clementine Ford has
Speaker 2: outrageously claimed that six Israeli hostages weren't killed by Hamas.
Speaker 2: On social media, she wrote, I don't for a second
Speaker 2: believe that her mass executed the hostages. Israel's desperation stinks.
Speaker 2: Just to be clear, Hamas did execute those young men
Speaker 2: and women in cold blood. But what's even worse is
Speaker 2: that Clementine Ford is still continually invited to speak at
Speaker 2: prestigious forums like the Opera House and writer As festivals.
Speaker 2: The literary elite in this country don't seem to care
Speaker 2: about her callous, insensitive and offensive views, but Brendan O'Neil does.
Speaker 2: He's written an article comparing Clementine Ford to America's right
Speaker 2: wing conspiracy theorist Candice Owens, and I'm pleased to say
Speaker 2: Spiked Onlines chief political writer joins us Now, Brendan, great
Speaker 2: to see you again. Look what do this pair, unlikely
Speaker 2: pair have in common.
Speaker 7: Well, the main thing they have in common is just
Speaker 7: an obsession with Israel and an obsessive hatred for Israel.
Speaker 7: It's really really weird and unsettling to see that someone
Speaker 7: on the hard right like Candice Owens can have so
Speaker 7: much in common with someone on the hard left like Clementine.
Speaker 7: But they really do have a lot in common when
Speaker 7: it comes to the Israel question. You know, when you
Speaker 7: look at Clementine Ford's comment about her mass not killing
Speaker 7: those hostages, it's really depraved. Actually. Number one, they did
Speaker 7: kill them, as you say, and they've said they killed them,
Speaker 7: they've admitted it. But then you also think to yourself,
Speaker 7: you know, this is a woman. She comes from a left,
Speaker 7: the kind of Melbourne left that claims to be anti fascist,
Speaker 7: and yet now she's making excuses for a fascist movement.
Speaker 7: She claims to be a feminist, she claims to care
Speaker 7: about women, but she said nothing about the rape and
Speaker 7: murder of Israeli women on seventh of October. In fact,
Speaker 7: lots of the left in Australia and across the West
Speaker 7: has either said nothing about the persecution of those Jewish
Speaker 7: women or have even denied that it happened. So I
Speaker 7: think Clementine Ford is a good example of how the
Speaker 7: left has completely lost the plot and completely exposed its
Speaker 7: own bigotry since seventh of October and.
Speaker 2: Matt Shorlee by the fire Right and the lunacy of
Speaker 2: the fire right.
Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely, we can see now that the far left
Speaker 7: and the far right have come together in a kind
Speaker 7: of pincer movement with Israel and the Jews as their target.
Speaker 7: And it really does show you what happens when you
Speaker 7: fall down the into the cesspit of conspiracy theory, when
Speaker 7: you become convinced that the Jewish state is the source
Speaker 7: of all evil and instability in the world, you end
Speaker 7: up going mad, you end up adhering to very bigoted,
Speaker 7: ugly views. And that's what's happened on both the right,
Speaker 7: sections of the right and sections of the left. And
Speaker 7: I think Candy Zones and Clementine Ford sadly sum up
Speaker 7: this situation very well and I think sensible voices on
Speaker 7: both the left and the right they're still there. They
Speaker 7: need to come together and say no, we're not going
Speaker 7: along with this. We've had enough of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, that's what I tried to do just tonight.
Speaker 2: I had a leading Islamic figure on the show who's
Speaker 2: against a lot of the hatred that we're seeing, even
Speaker 2: though we would clearly not agree on the question of
Speaker 2: you know, Middle East. And Now, before you go, Brendan,
Speaker 2: I want to ask you about the big presidential debate tomorrow.
Speaker 2: What are you expecting when Kamala Harrison Donald Trump go
Speaker 2: head to head.
Speaker 7: Well, I'm looking forward to it, I have to say.
Speaker 7: I think Kamala Harris has hidden away for far too
Speaker 7: long from the media, from press conferences. She's only given
Speaker 7: one interview and that was to see it and n
Speaker 7: who gave her a very easy ride. I think she's
Speaker 7: in for a tough time in this debate. Donald Trump
Speaker 7: is a seasoned speaker, he loves talking to the media,
Speaker 7: he loves running rings around people, and she's not very
Speaker 7: practiced and sometimes not very good, so she could be
Speaker 7: in for a rough ride. I think Trump might actually
Speaker 7: do her some damage, but we'll have to wait and see.
Speaker 2: I think yeah, And of course that's going to be
Speaker 2: eleven o'clock tomorrow. Brendan O'Neil. Always love having you on
Speaker 2: the show. Thank you so much for your time, and
Speaker 2: so don't miss the program tomorrow night at eight o'clock.
Speaker 2: We'll have all the analysis from Donald Trump and Kamala Harris. Well,
Speaker 2: the polls could be looking very different after tomorrow debate.
Speaker 2: We'll see. Thank you so much for your company tonight,
Speaker 2: see you tomorrow. And right now he's Paul Murray