WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 28 April 0:00:02.560 --> 0:00:08.479 This is Paul Murray Live. Can I get evening? Lots 0:00:08.480 --> 0:00:11.520 to get to This is the week, This is game time. 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:14.680 It is time to fight, fight, fight for the future 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:17.920 of your country. Yes, a lot of people have already voted, 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:21.080 way more have not. They will vote in the next 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:24.960 few days. They will all vote. By Saturday. We will 0:00:25.000 --> 0:00:28.400 all find out together whether the polls, the bookies, which 0:00:28.400 --> 0:00:31.000 have told us that things were very different a few 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:34.720 months ago, are about to be very different on Saturday night. Now, 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:36.920 you know that I have a very strong, absolute belief 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:38.400 that we need to change the government, but I'm not 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:41.320 going to lie to you about the reality of where 0:00:41.320 --> 0:00:43.919 the Poles sit right now. If the Poles are right 0:00:43.920 --> 0:00:45.800 and the book is right, there is most likely going 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:47.959 to be a re elected government and they could get 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:51.400 very close to a majority. But that is just the prediction. 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:54.360 Poles have been wrong before, but that doesn't mean that 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:56.520 at their heart they are wrong now. The trend has 0:00:56.560 --> 0:00:59.600 been absolutely clear that something has changed in the past 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:02.280 couple of months. My hope is that in the next 0:01:02.320 --> 0:01:05.119 few days, as we did on the weekend, that people 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:08.560 are able to focus on the past three years, not 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:11.360 the past three weeks or the past three months, the 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:14.480 people will focus on what is at stake and what 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:18.800 will happen in the next three years. Now, whatever happens 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:21.520 on Saturday, we will do what we always do, which 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:25.080 is to keep an eye on every little bit of detail. 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:28.319 There will be plenty of people win, lose or draw 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:30.760 for the Coalition who will try to make their conclusions 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:34.880 about broadcasts like mine and organizations like the one that 0:01:34.920 --> 0:01:38.440 I work for. But we do not do what we do, 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:40.399 And for the fifteen years that I have sat here, 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:44.800 through multiple prime ministers winning and losing elections, I don't 0:01:44.840 --> 0:01:46.880 do the show for anyone other than the people who 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:48.920 watch it, the people who come up to me in 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:51.640 the street of the smallest country town or stop me 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:55.120 at the airports around the country. That'll be our focus, 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:58.880 and Tomorrow night a special opportunity to spend an hour 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:00.680 with the man who, on the wed weekend has an 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:04.240 opportunity to become the next Prime Minister of Australia. Peter 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:07.360 Dutton will be in the man Cave tomorrow night. He 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:09.760 will be there for the full hour. There will be 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:13.320 no editorial. It is just as many questions as possible 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:16.079 from the people who watch this show and are loyal 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:20.760 to this station. Thank you to the many hundreds nay, 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:23.160 probably close to two thousand people who have sent us 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:28.360 emails with questions. We've got people representing all different parts 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:32.800 of the country and so many different perspectives, questions that 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:35.800 we hope inform you a little more about the person 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:38.520 who you may or may not be casting a vote for, 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:41.640 either as a primary vote or as a preference vote 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:46.240 in this election. Tomorrow Night, one Hour, Peter Dutton with 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:48.760 a new idea. Ask me anything you've seen these on 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:50.919 the internet. Well, it's the first time they've happened on NASSI, Telly, 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:53.600 and I'm looking forward to the idea of us finding 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:56.680 a new way to cover politics and something that hopefully 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:58.760 as a format, will be able to continue into all 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:01.480 sorts of interesting Australian But we had to start in 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:03.040 the week of an election with a man who would 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:05.840 like to be the next Prime Minister. Peter Dutton, Tomorrow Night, 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:09.920 one Hour Live with questions from right around the greatest 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:13.320 country in the world. Now, before I do my usual 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:15.480 thing where I tell you about what happened today and 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:17.520 I show you the nonsense of the media, can we 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:22.440 deal with some of the elements of last night's leaders debate. Now, 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:25.360 I thought, as always, these things end up being a 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:28.919 little overly complicated at times, a little over the top 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:33.959 and a little quirky, and at times they want to 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:36.960 dumb things down. And that's fine, okay. Not everyone's following 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:40.440 the detail like you and me. Not everyone's listening to 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:42.520 Radio National in the morning if they were lefty, or 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:46.160 they're watching programs like mine at night, if they are 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:51.440 a common sense person of the center right. But the 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:53.960 question that was asked that seemed to be the moment 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:56.760 that Peter Dutton had tripped over himself was, of course 0:03:56.800 --> 0:04:00.000 that question about how much is a carton of eggs? 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:03.880 Here is a dozen eggs, mister Dutton, do you know 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:06.080 how much they cost? 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:11.760 Now, this is always a trick question from people who 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:16.040 I guarantee needed to research that question first most in 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:18.080 many of the people who roll their eyes at the 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:21.200 different politicians' responses. Again, would they know off the top 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:24.080 of their head every single item that goes into their 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:28.480 shopping basket? Maybe one or two, But I wouldn't imagine 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:32.240 the majority, because I've seen these people when they pay 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:34.520 for lunch and pay for dinner, they don't check the 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:37.679 bill if you know what I mean. So the idea 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:40.200 that this is the question which gives us an insight 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:42.880 into whether people understand what it's like in the real 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:47.120 world or not. It's a game, and the first person 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:48.919 that they asked the question of is the person that 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:51.920 they are trying to stump. You'll notice they asked Peter 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:55.600 Dutton the question first. Both of them got it wrong, 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:57.960 but it was Peter Dutton who got it wrong by 0:04:57.960 --> 0:05:00.640 a bigger margin. Like we were playing a version of 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:03.280 the price is right where it was higher or lower rules. 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:07.480 The reality is is that in the debate last night 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:11.360 and in the debate over the past month, there are 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:15.560 far more relevant statistics that give us an indication as 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:17.800 to what I think people should be making their decisions 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:20.160 on when it comes to voting. But it's just not 0:05:20.200 --> 0:05:24.360 talked about at all because the story is obviously negative 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:30.080 for the Prime minister. Where was the question about how 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:32.680 hard it is to pay off a home compared to 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:35.200 three years ago? Well, again, we went and had to 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:38.240 look for this today. Now your mortgage might be a 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:41.760 little higher a little lower, but here's the average repayments 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:45.240 before the last election. It was eighteen hundred dollars a 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:49.360 month at this election, it's now more than four thousand 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:54.120 dollars a month. It's twenty seven six hundred dollars that 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:58.359 people have had to find each year. So double that 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:00.800 number of twenty seven thousand and six and that's how 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:03.640 much extra you have paid in your mortgage under the 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:07.239 Avenzi government. What do you reckon is the more important question? 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:11.960 The price of ergs or the explosion due to interest 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:15.800 rates going up and up, up, up, twelve interest rate rises. Yes, 0:06:17.120 --> 0:06:19.560 total effect is thirteen and one was before the last 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:23.520 election and it's down by one after this election. And 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:25.840 you notice that halfway through this election Jim Chalmas was 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:28.160 trying to pretend that Donald Trump's going to ruin the world, 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:30.520 so you might end up with four or five reductions. 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:34.679 Notice that conversations disappeared because the reality is that Australia 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:37.000 will probably end up with this high interest rate for 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:41.880 much longer than anyone is expecting. Yet, amazingly, when you 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:44.040 actually go into the opinion polls that our mates at 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:47.719 Redbridge do. At the start of this campaign, the Liberal 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:50.240 Party was winning with people who are paying off a mortgage. 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:53.240 It's now Labor who is winning with people with a mortgage. 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:58.640 Nothing has changed in how much your mortgage costs. The 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:01.760 average person and average home paying off the average mortgage 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:06.400 under this government is twenty seven six hundred dollars worse 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:09.000 off each year. So double that number, and that's the 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:12.320 title for twenty three and twenty four. As we roll 0:07:12.360 --> 0:07:15.440 into twenty five again, it's one thing to talk about 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:20.000 electricity prices, but when you actually compare the numbers, the 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:23.400 case against the government becomes clear. When it comes to 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:27.840 power bills. The average annual power bill and I get it. 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:29.720 Some people a monthly, some people are quarterly. Some people 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:31.640 have got big houses, small houses, so we've got to 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:34.640 try to find a number in the middle. The average 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:38.640 was sixteen hundred bucks before the last election. It's now 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:42.160 about two thousand dollars. Now. That is a difference of 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:45.360 about three hundred dollars a year. But I know my 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:47.640 power bill is way higher than three hundred dollars extra 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:49.520 a year, let alone the people in small business. So 0:07:49.560 --> 0:07:52.520 that number might frustrate some. But yes, power prices has 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:54.520 gone up. Remember the promise was for them to go down. 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:56.760 In fact, the only reason that the power prices don't 0:07:56.840 --> 0:07:58.880 keep going up is because of this artificial payment of 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:02.720 tax payer money, billions of dollars which they pay twenty 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:06.280 five dollars a month to every single power bill in 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:09.000 the country. That doesn't mean that the cost of it's 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:13.160 going down. It means that somebody else is paying, but 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:17.320 that somebody else is still you. Another example about rent here, 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:19.960 the average rent before the last election was about four 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:23.800 hundred bucks. Now again a lot higher in more popular cities, 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:28.480 a lot lower in less popular cities. But now it's 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:32.560 six hundred and twenty seven dollars. So in terms of 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:34.720 each week, that's a difference of one hundred and fifty 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:38.120 one dollars. You start to spread that out over the 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:40.240 fifty two weeks, the number is a lot bigger than 0:08:40.320 --> 0:08:44.320 one hundred and fifty one dollars. But again, where are 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:47.640 people supposed to have found this extra money? Even if 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:52.320 you're a public servant working for a union based job 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:56.120 anywhere in the country, your pay rises haven't been enough 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:59.200 to cover what twenty seven thousand dollars if you're paying 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:02.720 off a house, or the thousands of dollars extra when 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:06.200 it comes to paying off rent. But of course they 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:07.839 didn't want to ask that question. They didn't want to 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:10.360 show those numbers because those numbers don't achieve the gotcha 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:14.200 that they wanted to achieve. Now I get it. As 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:16.840 soon as you're complaining about the media, then somehow you're 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:19.560 on the losing side. Well, we've been showing you how 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:21.840 bias the media is, and I will again today because 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:24.319 again it was so stark. The Prime Minister gets a 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:26.079 cuddle from the people who all hope to get a 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:28.120 one on one interview with him in the next few days, 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:32.280 or to move up the ladder should they be re elected, 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:36.360 and their proximity to power gets even closer. And people's 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:39.600 proximity to power, or thirst for access to power is 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:41.920 in many ways what means they either lie by omission 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:44.520 or they just look the other way when there are 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:49.760 fires as big and burning as this. Perhaps most stark 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:54.079 is insurance. This has been something that has relentlessly been 0:09:54.080 --> 0:09:57.719 pushing inflation. It's been pushing it higher and faster than 0:09:57.760 --> 0:10:03.320 things but normally are the attention of people in the media. 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:05.719 And while they'll turn around and say, oh, no, it's 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:08.319 climate change, No, it'll be things like youth crime, it 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:11.240 will also be companies making an awful lot of money 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:15.040 because the average home insurance payment in twenty twenty one 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:18.439 was eight hundred and thirty dollars. At this election, it's 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:21.840 two seven hundred and seventy four. That is two thousand 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:26.520 dollars more. So, you've had to find two thousand dollars 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:29.680 to ensure your house. You've had to find twenty seven 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:33.880 thousand dollars to pay your house off. And this is 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:39.520 where people should be furious that the people who have 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:44.360 overseen this system, who have approved the pay rises of 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:48.320 public servants, who have approved the increases in health insurance 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:51.400 time and time again, the people who took fifteen hundred 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:53.920 dollars off ten million workers are not the people who 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:57.760 you should rehire for the next three years. But also 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:00.320 to the way that some of these debates were. And 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:03.640 it's difficult, right because I understand if you're somebody who 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:07.000 has watched every hour of every day of the election campaign, 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:10.400 let alone the multiple weeks prior or, has been paying 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:13.400 attention to almost every interview every day for the past 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:15.839 three years, you've heard the same things over and over 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:17.280 and over and over and over again. But in a 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:20.920 compulsory voting country, there are many people who only pick 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:24.960 certain moments that they decide to well give politics any 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:27.920 attention whatsoever. So, yes, there is a level of repetition 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:31.080 that exists. But the frustration from the media is that 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:34.240 they expect the people who want to run our country 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:38.640 to be both world leaders and performing seals. They want 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:42.880 them to be able to talk about geostrategic issues involving 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:45.960 the Indo Pacific. But do it in sixty seconds before 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:49.800 the music kicks in. Tell us what your plan as 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:54.120 a government that has a limited ability to regulate a 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:59.000 free market can do to influence the cost on the 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:02.240 consumer when it comes to a free market. Doing sixty seconds, 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:06.280 but do before the music kicks in. As I showed 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:07.880 you last night, when the music started to kick in, 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:09.920 you could see this sort of slight distraction because, as 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:11.600 you know, when you're on TV, you've got one of 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:14.400 these things in your ear, an earpiece where the people 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:17.600 who are showing the videos from our control room are 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:20.400 able to tell me what's coming up. There is a 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:22.880 small skill involved in being able to talk as I 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:25.080 do each and every night, no ward o que, no scripts, 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:27.400 but also have somebody occasionally telling me something's going to 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:31.360 happen in my ear. For politicians, they're not television performance. 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:36.679 They're not broadcasters. Yes, they have an ability to be salespeople, 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:39.679 but sometimes we need to cut them a little bit 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:43.600 of slack. But of course, when an election is about 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:47.079 trying to hide the fat is of one person while 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:51.040 trying to bury the other person, they don't care about 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:55.960 that whatsoever. Generally, the way that elections work is that 0:12:57.040 --> 0:12:59.200 there are four or five opinion polls which take up 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:02.080 a new cycle egion every day. Let alone the international events, 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:04.280 let alone the bias of the reporters. We know what's 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:08.480 happening here. But as I have said for three years, 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:13.720 they promised to make it better. But where you live, 0:13:15.440 --> 0:13:18.120 how much a cost to turn the light on, how 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:21.200 much it costs to fill the fridge, how much it 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:25.720 costs to ensure the home in case flood, fire, tree 0:13:25.800 --> 0:13:28.440 falls on it, or somebody breaks a window and steals 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:31.960 your television costs more? Then? How is any of that 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:36.720 not a fundamental failure to deliver on the fundamental promises 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:41.040 made three years ago? What do the promises only matter 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:43.400 when they are made by coalition politicians? 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:45.280 I repeat the. 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:47.720 Metaphor that I have for a long time during this election, 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:49.839 which was when Tony Abbitt said he was going to 0:13:49.840 --> 0:13:52.880 stop the boats if he had not stopped the boats, 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:56.800 but the boats had doubled in the time of his 0:13:57.080 --> 0:13:59.920 prime ministership, what do you think the media would have done. 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:04.400 These people promised to make cost of living better, but 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:07.320 it got worse. They said that one interest rate rise 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:08.880 was a need to change the government. Well what do 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:13.960 they say after twelve? Of course nothing. Instead they distract 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:18.960 and say, look over here. There was a social media 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:20.880 video put out by a Labor MP and I'm not 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:22.840 going to give it its free publicity here, but it 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:25.200 has people in Labor Party shirts, so they're members of 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:27.400 the party saying why they're going to vote for the party. 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:31.600 And one of the people says to bring back bulk billing. 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:38.240 Who's promising to get rid of it? No one. But 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:41.080 if you say a lie enough, eventually people pay attention. 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:43.320 But again, we can't sit here and siok. That's just 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:45.520 the way they're playing. They're doing it within the force 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:48.040 of the law. But anyone who doesn't think that there's 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:50.840 a slight slanted in the way that the game's being played, well, 0:14:50.880 --> 0:14:55.960 I'm sorry, you're being dishonest. I'm looking forward to our 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:59.080 hour with Peter Dutton tomorrow night, not because I hope 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:02.000 he becomes the next Prime Minis and I do. But 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:05.600 because it's an hour where you can see how he works, 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:09.360 you can see how he thinks, you can see what 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:16.360 he believes in. It's not meant to be an adversarial experience. 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:19.200 It's not meant to be me yelling at him for 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:22.720 an hour. It's meant to be an hour of you 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:25.080 being able to size up a person about weather you 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:27.080 think they can lead the country for the next three years. 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:31.960 The derekon Albou would be up to that. Therecon Albou 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:33.600 would be able to look somebody in the eye and 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:36.120 tell them their life is better when it costs thirty 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:41.520 thousand dollars more to pay off their house, a couple 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:45.480 of thousand dollars more to ensure it, hundreds of dollars 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:49.600 more each and every week to fill the fridge. Yeah, 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:52.560 I didn't think so either. I'll I eod be more 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:54.120 on the debate in a second. But let's get to 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:55.800 what we normally do as our feature. All the way 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:59.240 through the election. Five days to go until the federal election, 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:01.920 and there has been an explosion in early voting. All up, 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:06.240 about eighteen million people will vote, but about three million 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:08.120 have already voted. Now. This is one of the key 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:11.560 arguments for lots of people, which is the media. Yes, understandably, 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:13.560 that's a massive number. And I want you to vote tomorrow. 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:16.240 Why because your mind's made up. Okay, go do it, 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:18.720 get it done. It all gets counted on Saturday. There's 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:23.040 no funny business. It's just a way of banking the vote, 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:27.560 which is what should be happening, right. But three million 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:29.920 is a smaller number than eighteen million, meaning that there 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:32.840 are what fifteen million people eligible to vote who are 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:36.400 compelled by our law to vote, who still have not voted. Now, 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:39.600 whether they could be won over by the changing tactics 0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:41.360 of the last couple of days, we'll all find out together. 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:44.520 But anyone who says it's over because lots of people 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:46.560 have already voted, of course, it's all just about trying 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:49.640 to make it seem like it is over now. And again, 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:51.000 I'm not going to sit here and be surprised if 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:53.040 the government gets re elected. It's a first term government. 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:57.040 We haven't got rid of one in more than a century. 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:00.400 And this first term government, despite its record, has such 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:03.600 a soft run in the media and has such a 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:06.840 little pushback. It's got an army of people playing at 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:08.399 the shallow end of the pool when it comes to 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:10.720 social media. And that's fine, it's all legal. That's the 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:14.840 way that works, that's the system. But I'm not going 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:16.720 to sit here and tell you that I know the 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:20.840 result of the election before the election. I said it 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:22.879 in twenty nineteen because it was true. I said it 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:24.640 in twenty twenty two because it was true. I say 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:26.399 it in twenty twenty five. I will say it in 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:30.359 twenty twenty eight. I will say it in twenty thirty one, 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:33.200 planning to be here for a while. Nothing is inevitable. 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:36.639 Do not assume the way your neighbor is going to vote, 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:40.120 and therefore change your vote. Do not assume. 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:41.520 What the. 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:46.320 Informed insights are into what's going to happen at the 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:49.159 election to be the actual result. Again, if the result 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:51.440 is as predicted, then it won't be a surprise. Why 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:53.840 because I told you. I've sat here and I've told 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:56.720 you for months when it's good news, when it's bad news. 0:17:56.800 --> 0:18:00.600 But I don't hide the news from you. You the numbers, 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:02.560 and I explained the data. I explained the trains. I 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:04.600 explained why this might happen and that might happen. I've 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:08.480 even shown you how many people are on the voter rolls, 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:11.280 not just say there are more younger Artis than all 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:14.240 of it. I'll show you the numbers because you're a 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:17.840 details person and like me, you can't get enough of 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:22.720 the real information. And the real information is missing on 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:24.920 mostly the six per Mews, and it is missing when 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:27.639 it comes to things like those debates as for the 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:31.720 places that have had the most highly attended locations when 0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:34.199 it comes to early voting. The seat of where are 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:36.760 what now? This was considered at one point in time 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:39.280 maybe gettable by the Libs because this is your classic 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:42.480 outer suburban western Sydney seat. But an awful lot of 0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:45.639 people have already voted in Fowler die Lee, hoping to 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:48.720 repeat what she had done three years ago in the 0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:54.280 seats of Gordon, Herbert Bowman, gillibrand Fadden Mitchell, as well 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:58.600 as pabloic Servant Rich seat in the Act and in 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:01.439 and around the Mornington Peninsula in the seat of Flinders. 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:04.040 Here's some of the people who spoke to us after 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:08.320 voting today. Definitely one of the biggest problems is as 0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:08.960 it crazes. 0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:11.680 I think a lot of people are struggling. 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:14.640 I don't like the nuclear power plant plant as well. 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:20.040 Monigos, Yeah, very hard GA make elbow go away. 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:21.600 What do you make of the state of the country 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:22.080 right now? 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:23.320 Oh, we're going down the toilet. 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:27.480 But I feel like we are just so focused on 0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:28.840 the wrong things. Dare I say woke? 0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:32.120 But everyone says that we hardly go out because it's 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:32.840 too expensive. 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:36.680 Well done, appreciate it. Lots of insights that we get 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:38.880 from people. We all learn the data together. Now Sky 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:41.800 News the course wall of war coverage between now and 0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:44.720 election Day. I look forward to being part of Election Night. 0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:47.360 We're broadcasts and my insights at the top of each 0:19:47.359 --> 0:19:49.440 and every hour and the best panel in the business. 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:52.480 Then Sunday night we have the mop up. But there's 0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:54.639 a lot of work between now and then. At a 0:19:54.720 --> 0:19:56.680 lot of people who I want you to share the 0:19:56.760 --> 0:19:58.800 videos with and want you to tip them into the content. 0:19:58.840 --> 0:19:59.960 I want you to tell them, hey, you have a 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:01.840 look at this. I know you're thinking this, but what 0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:03.480 about that. You're not going to be able to change 0:20:03.480 --> 0:20:06.040 a hardcore lefty. You're not going to be able to 0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:08.280 move somebody who's voted labor their whole life. You're not 0:20:08.320 --> 0:20:11.919 going to do anything for somebody who's rusted on Q 0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:14.199 and a lover and loves teal, But you know that 0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:15.960 person who's a little bit this, a little bit that, 0:20:16.160 --> 0:20:18.320 and I like this's wand and you know, bring them 0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:21.600 back to the central issues that aren't about personality but 0:20:21.680 --> 0:20:25.639 about the country and whether we have started to circle 0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:28.600 the drain like that lady said, or whether we're better 0:20:28.640 --> 0:20:30.280 off than we were worth three years ago, because remember 0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:35.439 that's what they promised. As for the media today and 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:39.680 the different appearances of both of the leaders, Anthony Abernezi 0:20:39.760 --> 0:20:42.360 out and about an early voting center, which meant there's 0:20:42.359 --> 0:20:45.720 plenty of opportunity for chaos pictures and all of that business. 0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:48.280 He also made a couple of announcements, including an important 0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:50.840 one in and around helping the victims of domestic violence, 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:54.600 which I fully support, no problem and that number and 0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:57.560 money was echoed as a something that the Coalation would 0:20:57.560 --> 0:21:00.480 do as well. So good to see. However, Anthony Aberanne 0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:03.840 after winning the debate last night, and I'll have more 0:21:03.920 --> 0:21:05.600 to say about that in the second well he went 0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:06.680 for victory. 0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:13.040 I note Peter Dutton this morning has said that somehow 0:21:13.359 --> 0:21:18.040 the audience was stacked. The truth is that out of 0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:23.880 every person who chose Peter Dutton to chose myself. What 0:21:23.960 --> 0:21:28.399 that indicates is a clear outcome. Every time people have 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:33.120 had the opportunity to have a say in the previous 0:21:33.320 --> 0:21:41.679 People's Forum, they did certainly a significant, clear majority, bigger 0:21:41.720 --> 0:21:47.280 than the majority that occurred with Scott Morrison in the debate. 0:21:48.040 --> 0:21:50.960 Truth is, if you look historically, it's half prime ministers 0:21:51.000 --> 0:21:53.119 to win debate. I think the more people see of 0:21:53.200 --> 0:21:56.679 Peter Dutton, the more they know that this is an 0:21:56.680 --> 0:22:02.040 opposition that were in government years ago. Is this the 0:22:02.160 --> 0:22:04.040 leftovers from the Morrison government. 0:22:05.760 --> 0:22:09.920 He's running against the past, he's running against former prime ministers. 0:22:09.920 --> 0:22:13.440 He's doing any and everything. You can just move away 0:22:13.440 --> 0:22:17.159 from those key numbers that I showed you before, and 0:22:17.240 --> 0:22:20.800 the media they'll just clap along. Yeah okay, Roddy, so 0:22:21.040 --> 0:22:23.640 fair enough. But anyway, about the twenty seven thousand dollars 0:22:23.720 --> 0:22:26.119 extra it costs for somebody to pay off mortgage, best 0:22:26.119 --> 0:22:29.560 part of what fifty thousand dollars extra since you became 0:22:29.600 --> 0:22:33.840 the prime minister. Anything you say about that, well it 0:22:33.880 --> 0:22:38.000 works for me because I get the negative gearing and 0:22:38.040 --> 0:22:42.359 I'm currently living in the mansion in Canberra as for 0:22:42.400 --> 0:22:44.760 Peter dunn't. Unsurprisingly, this is the week where they think 0:22:44.760 --> 0:22:48.400 they're able to put the stake through the vampire, which 0:22:48.440 --> 0:22:51.320 means we get this garbage from the media. Remember again, 0:22:51.400 --> 0:22:54.080 it's not about soft questions, it's not about cuddles. But 0:22:54.160 --> 0:22:56.400 it's just about the idea that the Prime Minister has 0:22:56.520 --> 0:22:59.240 just besd his way around the map, told you the 0:22:59.320 --> 0:23:02.480 joint would better when it's remarkably worse. Never gets called out, 0:23:02.520 --> 0:23:04.800 but then the bloke who does call him out gets 0:23:04.880 --> 0:23:06.320 this treatment in reverse. 0:23:07.520 --> 0:23:10.800 When is it appropriate to have a welcome to country 0:23:10.880 --> 0:23:11.880 ceremony well. 0:23:11.800 --> 0:23:14.239 At a significant event like the opening of Parliament. But 0:23:14.359 --> 0:23:16.439 I think the Prime Minister divided this country with the 0:23:16.520 --> 0:23:19.399 voice give us four hundred and fifty million dollars, and 0:23:19.480 --> 0:23:22.040 he tried to divide us on the basis of herodigen race. No, 0:23:22.160 --> 0:23:24.600 I didn't agree with it, and the majority of Australians 0:23:24.600 --> 0:23:28.399 didn't agree with it. And Australians are respectful towards indigenous astrains. 0:23:28.440 --> 0:23:30.960 We're all equal Australians and it's why I believe that 0:23:30.960 --> 0:23:32.879 we should stand behind one flag united. 0:23:34.600 --> 0:23:37.600 Yeah, the conversation in and around Welcome to Country already 0:23:37.640 --> 0:23:39.880 The Guardian writing in space here he is pashion down 0:23:39.920 --> 0:23:45.080 on people. No, it's a custom, so the law as 0:23:45.119 --> 0:23:47.280 to whether it should happen or not, and we'll debate 0:23:47.320 --> 0:23:48.600 that in a moment or two's time. And on No 0:23:48.680 --> 0:23:50.840 looks no Lefties Monday Night the way that you like 0:23:50.880 --> 0:23:53.400 it to hear on Paul Murray Live. But again, let's 0:23:53.440 --> 0:23:55.600 have a look at the soft questions for albou today. 0:23:55.600 --> 0:23:57.800 But there was one very strong exception. 0:23:59.160 --> 0:24:02.400 Coalition's plan and to cut forty one public servants forty 0:24:02.400 --> 0:24:05.720 one thousand public servants from camera would mean a prolonged 0:24:05.760 --> 0:24:08.600 depression for the area and surrounding suburbs. Do you agree 0:24:08.600 --> 0:24:09.320 with that assessment? 0:24:09.400 --> 0:24:12.959 Would you fund every Australian student to watch adolescents? 0:24:13.119 --> 0:24:14.919 When did you get time to watch adolescence? 0:24:15.080 --> 0:24:15.879 On the Campagne chart? 0:24:16.040 --> 0:24:17.760 What does it say about your opponent? You think that 0:24:17.800 --> 0:24:19.320 he doesn't know the price of eggs? 0:24:23.840 --> 0:24:27.679 Wow? Mark Levy though, well, he was a steal in 0:24:27.680 --> 0:24:29.800 the spine and he was the one who I know, 0:24:30.600 --> 0:24:32.200 was it going to put up with it? Wasn't going 0:24:32.240 --> 0:24:34.400 to have his opportunity to talk to the Prime Ministry 0:24:34.400 --> 0:24:36.359 and let it go by. And I love that he 0:24:36.400 --> 0:24:39.520 gave it straight to him. 0:24:38.760 --> 0:24:42.200 Does yoursky billet your private residents gone up all down? 0:24:42.400 --> 0:24:43.720 It's a very simple question. 0:24:44.240 --> 0:24:46.760 I live in the lodge. That's where I live. 0:24:47.200 --> 0:24:49.199 So you're not preparing to tell us what your private 0:24:49.240 --> 0:24:51.280 property your electricity, but whether it's gone up. 0:24:51.240 --> 0:24:55.760 Or down, that's where I live. And on Green preferences, 0:24:55.800 --> 0:24:56.920 too well done, Mark. 0:24:58.040 --> 0:24:59.960 Will you do a deal with the ground? 0:25:01.160 --> 0:25:01.320 No? 0:25:01.560 --> 0:25:03.960 Why have you preferenced them second in your own seat? 0:25:05.480 --> 0:25:10.800 Well I went on primaries, Mark, My preferences don't go anywhere. 0:25:10.440 --> 0:25:13.080 In all but eight seats. Labor is preferencing the Green 0:25:13.240 --> 0:25:16.280 second or third. Adam Bantt is saying he's prepared to 0:25:16.280 --> 0:25:19.880 do deals with you as Prime minister in a minority government. 0:25:19.960 --> 0:25:22.520 So how can you honestly say to the Australian people 0:25:22.520 --> 0:25:24.000 that there won't be deals done. 0:25:23.800 --> 0:25:27.880 With the great because they won't be so on May three, 0:25:27.920 --> 0:25:29.840 if there's a hung parliament, who are you going to. 0:25:29.840 --> 0:25:32.320 Work with and to work with the parliament? Work with 0:25:32.359 --> 0:25:34.480 myself and people will. 0:25:34.440 --> 0:25:35.640 So nothing you'll get done. 0:25:36.520 --> 0:25:37.880 No, that's not right at all. 0:25:39.359 --> 0:25:43.160 Work with myself. Don't say it, Paul, don't say as 0:25:43.200 --> 0:25:45.480 for again. One more observation about the debate last night 0:25:45.520 --> 0:25:47.399 Over on Channel seven. And I'm glad that lots of 0:25:47.440 --> 0:25:49.240 people are watching these things. Lots of people are watching 0:25:49.280 --> 0:25:51.399 them online as well. They're actually doing pretty well. And 0:25:51.480 --> 0:25:54.440 I appreciate that everyone's put these things in primetime. Remember 0:25:54.480 --> 0:25:56.440 in some elections, I used to put these things lunchtime 0:25:56.480 --> 0:26:02.040 Friday afternoons. No, they're you know, they're decided to mainline 0:26:02.040 --> 0:26:03.440 all of this stuff. And I think it's been good. 0:26:03.560 --> 0:26:06.399 But I can't help but just make a couple of 0:26:06.480 --> 0:26:13.040 observations that I wonder if the moderator is telling us 0:26:13.119 --> 0:26:15.760 virus questions who he likes more. 0:26:18.040 --> 0:26:20.720 Mister Dutton, what will you offer to families in the 0:26:20.760 --> 0:26:24.680 way of cost living relief from Sunday? Your fuel excise 0:26:24.960 --> 0:26:29.160 is taxpayers supporting taxpayers. It's the same thing, isn't it. 0:26:29.160 --> 0:26:32.840 It's a taxpayer funded shopper docket. You mentioned migration in 0:26:32.880 --> 0:26:36.040 there about housing. Don't we need skilled migrants? You will 0:26:36.240 --> 0:26:39.520 repeal a tax cut. I don't know of any leader 0:26:39.520 --> 0:26:42.320 who's ever done that. Is that crazy, brave or just crazy? 0:26:42.440 --> 0:26:45.080 Will you have welcome to country ceremonies where you have 0:26:45.119 --> 0:26:49.480 smoking ceremonies? Will you acknowledge the traditional owners at your 0:26:49.920 --> 0:26:52.359 official events? Can we trust Donald Trump? Why do you 0:26:52.440 --> 0:26:54.560 think your plan is best to keep the lights on? 0:26:54.600 --> 0:26:56.639 Mister Dutton? Would you be happy, mister Dutton have a 0:26:56.760 --> 0:26:57.720 nuclear power plan. 0:26:57.680 --> 0:26:58.240 In your suburb. 0:26:58.320 --> 0:27:00.440 If it's so good, why have you not the into 0:27:00.600 --> 0:27:03.280 one of those seven sites in the past four weeks? 0:27:03.359 --> 0:27:06.520 Will we see you at a nuclear power plant site 0:27:06.680 --> 0:27:07.520 in the next six days? 0:27:07.560 --> 0:27:09.200 Have you distanced yourself? 0:27:09.359 --> 0:27:11.880 Do you think from mister Trump's style enough? 0:27:11.920 --> 0:27:12.640 We still have a dose? 0:27:12.720 --> 0:27:14.600 Just enterprice going around the bad is your word? 0:27:14.640 --> 0:27:15.760 You'r body on that point. 0:27:15.800 --> 0:27:17.560 We want you to listen to something else. 0:27:17.640 --> 0:27:19.840 But I've apologized for the decision that we took in 0:27:19.840 --> 0:27:21.920 relation to work from home? 0:27:22.000 --> 0:27:24.960 How did you get that policy? So wrong? And a 0:27:25.000 --> 0:27:27.520 problem for all of us who try to find undecided 0:27:27.640 --> 0:27:30.520 voters to make a decision, So say People's Forum or 0:27:30.520 --> 0:27:32.480 in this is that? Of course, it's up to the 0:27:32.560 --> 0:27:35.119 people who put their hands up to say whether they 0:27:35.119 --> 0:27:38.040 are undecided voters or not. So again, this no other 0:27:38.080 --> 0:27:40.600 way to do it than to self identify as an 0:27:40.680 --> 0:27:47.240 undecided voter. These were some of the undecided voters. Did 0:27:47.280 --> 0:27:49.359 two guys came here tonight and you were wanting to 0:27:49.400 --> 0:27:53.280 be inspired. Were you inspired tonight. Yeah, I think I was. 0:27:53.320 --> 0:27:57.600 I think both of them offered solutions that were possible, hopefully. 0:27:57.640 --> 0:28:00.880 I think of an Easy finished with which I think 0:28:01.040 --> 0:28:04.320 was a nice change instead of that nitpicking that they 0:28:04.320 --> 0:28:07.640 always see. It's good to hear person think Labor offer 0:28:07.680 --> 0:28:09.800 a bit more like the Liberals were just kind of attacking, 0:28:09.800 --> 0:28:12.080 but they didn't really offer anything. I'd feel more confident 0:28:12.119 --> 0:28:12.960 voting for Labor today. 0:28:13.000 --> 0:28:14.560 I just feel as ab and Easy brought up a 0:28:14.560 --> 0:28:18.879 lot of evidence to support his claims, whereas the opposition 0:28:19.119 --> 0:28:22.000 was just making small jobs. If one of the leaders 0:28:22.040 --> 0:28:24.480 was to come to your house, what do you think 0:28:24.520 --> 0:28:27.720 that you would want them to know? The bills? 0:28:28.200 --> 0:28:31.679 They keep on going higher and higher and there's no 0:28:31.920 --> 0:28:33.440 relief at all. 0:28:35.720 --> 0:28:38.320 But are we surprised? This is the television station that 0:28:38.400 --> 0:28:41.720 has a reporter stalking Peter Dutton. And I say that 0:28:41.760 --> 0:28:45.000 because he asks questions like this, basically blaming Peter Dunton 0:28:45.080 --> 0:28:47.040 for his father's heart attack. 0:28:48.160 --> 0:28:52.600 Campaigns pressure events for candidates like yourself, but they're pressure 0:28:52.600 --> 0:28:56.800 events for families of candidates too. Do you worry your 0:28:56.920 --> 0:29:00.840 dad is not being helped? He might even have been 0:29:00.880 --> 0:29:03.200 harmed by the fact that he's worried about you. 0:29:06.480 --> 0:29:08.120 I get it. All these people will we hate watching 0:29:08.200 --> 0:29:11.360 right now kick on the TV. Oh who cares? Well? 0:29:11.400 --> 0:29:13.680 I care and I know the people watching this program care, 0:29:14.960 --> 0:29:18.320 and make no mistake, regardless of what is about to happen. 0:29:18.440 --> 0:29:20.080 Be a good news, be it bad news for those 0:29:20.080 --> 0:29:23.200 of us who would like to change the government. We fight, fight, fight, 0:29:23.840 --> 0:29:25.720 the day before the election, the day of the election, 0:29:25.800 --> 0:29:29.120 and the day after. Peter Dutton here tomorrow night with 0:29:29.160 --> 0:29:31.560 Don't Ask Me Anything. We'll be back with nooks snow 0:29:31.600 --> 0:29:33.560 lefties at a moment's time. And if he player out 0:29:33.600 --> 0:29:36.560 in the Western Australian version of this federal election, we'll 0:29:36.560 --> 0:29:43.880 also join us more in a second. Thank you so 0:29:43.960 --> 0:29:46.520 much for watching Peter Dutton on the show tomorrow night. 0:29:46.560 --> 0:29:48.640 As I quickly checked my notes and yes it is true. 0:29:48.920 --> 0:29:51.760 James Morrow is here from the Daily Telegraph and Assembled programs. 0:29:51.800 --> 0:29:53.880 You're on Sky News and joining us from the campaign 0:29:53.920 --> 0:29:57.480 trail is the Nationals Senator Sorry llenp Senator for Queens, 0:29:57.520 --> 0:29:59.840 and none other than Senator Matt Canaban. Matt, where are 0:29:59.880 --> 0:30:01.560 you tonight? Mate? 0:30:02.520 --> 0:30:05.760 And Bunderberg mate? Just outside the run distillery here you know, well, 0:30:05.840 --> 0:30:09.000 we had the show here once s great place, great place, Bunderberg. 0:30:08.760 --> 0:30:11.040 Bloody, bloody oath. And it gives me the opportunity to 0:30:11.080 --> 0:30:14.960 remind people sixty three percent of a bottle of Bundy 0:30:15.000 --> 0:30:17.960 rumm is tax under this government. Sixty three percent is 0:30:18.000 --> 0:30:20.520 that been found in Fair to you, James, just a 0:30:20.560 --> 0:30:22.880 few days Togo. Are you running on adrenaline or are 0:30:22.880 --> 0:30:24.080 you running on an IV pack? 0:30:24.720 --> 0:30:24.920 Oh? 0:30:25.120 --> 0:30:28.520 Adrenaline, dopamine, sir, turning all the good things there. Yeah, look, 0:30:28.520 --> 0:30:31.440 we had a few days to go here. It is 0:30:31.480 --> 0:30:33.480 interesting because it is does feel like, you know, there's 0:30:33.520 --> 0:30:36.600 still some movement left in this thing. And I think that, 0:30:36.680 --> 0:30:39.040 you know, there's such a soft vote out there, and 0:30:39.160 --> 0:30:41.080 so many minor parties and so many vos going to 0:30:41.080 --> 0:30:43.120 minor parties. I do think it's going to be a 0:30:43.120 --> 0:30:44.200 pretty interesting Saturday night. 0:30:45.640 --> 0:30:48.320 Yeah. I mean, in terms of primary vote, basically two 0:30:48.360 --> 0:30:50.760 thirds of Australia will not vote for whoever becomes the 0:30:50.800 --> 0:30:53.800 government but at the current or a change, and that 0:30:53.920 --> 0:30:56.200 of course brings into that question of preferences. It's why 0:30:56.240 --> 0:30:58.480 I bang on regardless of which way you're planning to vote. 0:30:58.480 --> 0:31:00.200 If you're not planning the vote major party, the what 0:31:00.280 --> 0:31:02.920 you do with number two matters. It really really matters. 0:31:03.560 --> 0:31:06.120 And if you send it out on a long journey 0:31:06.320 --> 0:31:08.600 like Uncle Clive would likely to do well. Guess what 0:31:09.040 --> 0:31:10.960 It's going to result in the re election of the 0:31:11.000 --> 0:31:14.600 current government. But then he wants more Trump anyway. You 0:31:14.680 --> 0:31:17.000 get the point, Matt, let's talk about last night in 0:31:17.040 --> 0:31:20.480 the debate and the Welcome to Country conversation. I've got 0:31:20.480 --> 0:31:22.680 a couple of views on this, and it's not about 0:31:22.680 --> 0:31:27.640 pulling my punches, but I think that anyone promising, and 0:31:27.760 --> 0:31:30.080 certainly the Palmer Ads are out there sort of pretending 0:31:30.120 --> 0:31:32.400 that someone's going to pass a law and welcome to 0:31:32.440 --> 0:31:35.280 Country is going to disappear. It's not no one's going 0:31:35.320 --> 0:31:38.160 to it's a custom. Unions will stew it, Lefty groups 0:31:38.200 --> 0:31:40.760 will still do it. But it is good if Peter 0:31:40.800 --> 0:31:42.200 dunn't to turn around and say, you know what, we 0:31:42.240 --> 0:31:44.160 don't need it at the opening of everything. 0:31:46.760 --> 0:31:49.920 I think it's going to change how things are done 0:31:49.920 --> 0:31:51.480 in this country. Paul As you say you're not going 0:31:51.560 --> 0:31:53.080 to pass the lad to get rid of it completely, 0:31:53.200 --> 0:31:56.400 but I do think we're going to see fewer welcomes 0:31:56.440 --> 0:31:59.960 to country now inappropriate at inappropriate times because of leader 0:32:00.040 --> 0:32:03.200 ship from Peter Dutton. Here we who is and he 0:32:03.400 --> 0:32:05.640 is just giving the voice to the vast majority of Australians. 0:32:05.640 --> 0:32:07.160 I mean, this has been a hot topic. I've been 0:32:07.200 --> 0:32:09.600 on the polling Booze every day for the past week, 0:32:09.640 --> 0:32:12.640 certainly on Saturday and today. A lot of people have 0:32:12.680 --> 0:32:16.080 been talking about this and they just had a gutful. 0:32:16.080 --> 0:32:18.040 They've had a gutful of trying to go to go 0:32:18.120 --> 0:32:21.000 to a nationally unifying event like an ANZAC Day service 0:32:21.040 --> 0:32:25.680 at sporting match and there force fed a political diet tribe. 0:32:26.040 --> 0:32:28.640 And it's not just about the ceremony here, Paul. I 0:32:28.680 --> 0:32:32.920 think the Labour, Green, ABC Guardian led reaction to this 0:32:33.320 --> 0:32:35.640 shows how out of touch they are on other issues too. 0:32:35.680 --> 0:32:38.080 They're out of touch on this issue when it comes 0:32:38.120 --> 0:32:40.720 to the welcome to country. But that also explains, i think, Paul, 0:32:40.720 --> 0:32:42.600 why they're out of touch on things like energy and 0:32:42.680 --> 0:32:46.040 housing and migration, because they're they're there, there, there, their 0:32:46.120 --> 0:32:49.640 their their gut instincts are just not aligned with the 0:32:50.040 --> 0:32:51.880 the average sinking of everyday Australians. 0:32:53.120 --> 0:32:55.120 Well. Also, you know, it always strikes me that you 0:32:55.200 --> 0:32:58.240 know when a suburban council in woke bits of Melbourne 0:32:59.080 --> 0:33:05.720 moves Australian, that Alice Springs doesn't, that Darwin doesn't James. 0:33:05.760 --> 0:33:07.400 And again it is one of these things where there 0:33:07.480 --> 0:33:11.480 is this this absolute difference between people who somehow want 0:33:11.600 --> 0:33:13.719 all the benefits of the twenty first century but then 0:33:13.760 --> 0:33:16.000 want to pretend that the past couple of hundred years 0:33:16.400 --> 0:33:19.760 didn't and shouldn't have happened. But again I think Peter 0:33:19.840 --> 0:33:22.600 Dunnan's onto something here about the over use of it 0:33:22.880 --> 0:33:24.600 that in the same way that you don't We're not 0:33:24.720 --> 0:33:27.720 a country that the pledges allegiance to the flag egent 0:33:27.760 --> 0:33:29.880 every day at the start of a school day, doesn't 0:33:29.920 --> 0:33:32.400 sing the national anthem at the start of each and 0:33:32.440 --> 0:33:35.600 every sporting event. So if it has that level of significance, 0:33:35.600 --> 0:33:37.200 then save it for those moments. 0:33:38.160 --> 0:33:41.480 Well, you know, not only that too, you point there 0:33:41.520 --> 0:33:43.800 about the councilors, like in Alice Springs and things like that. Well, 0:33:43.840 --> 0:33:45.920 Australia is a really interesting one because also I would 0:33:45.960 --> 0:33:48.840 note that like here in Sydney, my own council in 0:33:48.920 --> 0:33:51.800 a West Council likes to pretend Australia doesn't even exist. 0:33:51.920 --> 0:33:54.960 You know, basically for all intensive purposes, you go out west, 0:33:55.000 --> 0:33:56.480 you know, you go to some of these councils that 0:33:56.560 --> 0:34:00.920 are very heavily dominated by migrants, and they want to 0:34:00.960 --> 0:34:04.120 do big things for Australia. And you know, we talk 0:34:04.160 --> 0:34:07.680 a lot about social cohesion in this place. And one 0:34:07.720 --> 0:34:09.440 of the things that I have a problem with this 0:34:09.680 --> 0:34:12.480 idea of the welcome to country being is that it 0:34:12.600 --> 0:34:15.879 tells everybody, not just the soldiers you're honoring on Anzac Day, 0:34:15.920 --> 0:34:18.680 but every single person who is here as a citizen 0:34:18.800 --> 0:34:21.279 or a want to be citizen of this country that 0:34:21.600 --> 0:34:26.120 this land or this country of Australia is transient, impermanent, 0:34:26.440 --> 0:34:29.640 potentially illegitimate, and you're just a guest. And there's this 0:34:29.719 --> 0:34:31.919 sort of furfey around saying, oh no, no, no, they're 0:34:31.960 --> 0:34:34.200 only just welcoming you to this little bit or that 0:34:34.320 --> 0:34:38.000 little bit. Well, it's still the same idea when you 0:34:38.160 --> 0:34:40.800 get down to it, and it's about delegitimizing the country. 0:34:41.320 --> 0:34:44.600 This culture stuff. You know, people dismiss it out Bess. 0:34:44.600 --> 0:34:46.120 I don't want to fight culture wars. Well, of course 0:34:46.160 --> 0:34:47.960 he doesn't want to fight culture wars. But the thing 0:34:48.080 --> 0:34:53.200 is culture matters, Paul. Culture matters, and if you don't 0:34:53.760 --> 0:34:59.840 follow the culture and maintain a shared set of beliefs, traditions, ideas, values, 0:35:00.000 --> 0:35:02.080 where as we deal with one another that all the 0:35:02.160 --> 0:35:06.239 other stuff, including a prosperous economy, don't fall out of it, 0:35:06.280 --> 0:35:07.520 which is where it has to work. 0:35:09.160 --> 0:35:11.960 Yeah, let's talk about the next few days because we know, yes, 0:35:12.080 --> 0:35:15.240 millions of people have voted, millions more have not voted. 0:35:15.520 --> 0:35:18.080 Latest news poll shows that the trend that seems to 0:35:18.160 --> 0:35:20.560 have been there for the past few weeks is sticking around. 0:35:20.760 --> 0:35:22.879 Where we're sitting at fifty two forty eight in terms 0:35:22.880 --> 0:35:25.560 of two party preferred in terms of the primary vote. 0:35:25.560 --> 0:35:28.440 Worth seeing here that labor is a little higher, in 0:35:28.480 --> 0:35:30.560 fact two points higher than when they were the last 0:35:30.640 --> 0:35:33.640 federal election. Coalition pretty much the same, thirty four to 0:35:33.680 --> 0:35:38.239 thirty five, Greens down to eleven, one nation up. Yet again, 0:35:38.640 --> 0:35:41.319 when will the commentariat or will they all wake up 0:35:41.440 --> 0:35:44.399 shocked on Saturday? If on Sunday that the one nation 0:35:44.560 --> 0:35:47.680 vote is up three points off the last election, almost 0:35:47.760 --> 0:35:49.719 at double where it was at the last election, that 0:35:49.880 --> 0:35:52.239 is going to matter, particularly in the Senate and twelve 0:35:52.239 --> 0:35:54.239 percent of people who are sitting anywhere, but what we 0:35:54.320 --> 0:35:57.440 have just mentioned the key question, which about whether or 0:35:57.440 --> 0:36:00.560 not the government deserves to be re elected eight percent 0:36:00.600 --> 0:36:04.120 of people say no, thirty nine percent say yes, about 0:36:04.200 --> 0:36:06.400 sixty three percent of people saying that the coalition not 0:36:06.520 --> 0:36:09.319 ready to govern. That is a poll that has got 0:36:09.400 --> 0:36:11.520 worse since the election has rolled in. As for better 0:36:11.560 --> 0:36:14.120 prime minister, fifty one more than half the country now 0:36:14.200 --> 0:36:16.960 saying that the prime minister should continue as prime minister 0:36:17.000 --> 0:36:19.840 because he's the better prime minister, thirty five percent for 0:36:19.880 --> 0:36:23.080 Peter duzn't and fourteen percent uncommitted. So obvious question here, 0:36:23.160 --> 0:36:26.680 and Matt, I want to ask it this way, mind's 0:36:26.719 --> 0:36:30.120 made up? Or time to change? Because yeah, okay, some 0:36:30.280 --> 0:36:32.640 people just randomly or throw a dart in their mind 0:36:32.719 --> 0:36:35.560 on their way to the polling booth. But with this 0:36:35.840 --> 0:36:42.360 change towards conversations about culture and stark differences that exist, 0:36:42.800 --> 0:36:45.280 do you think that that's an opportunity to change minds. 0:36:48.000 --> 0:36:50.279 Look, I do think there's a lot of so called 0:36:50.320 --> 0:36:53.440 soft voters out there seemingly the polls. That probably explains 0:36:53.480 --> 0:36:56.319 why the minor party vote is high. So therefore there 0:36:56.360 --> 0:37:00.520 are people who may change their minds. Think, as I 0:37:00.520 --> 0:37:03.799 said earlier, this whole conversation about welcome the country has 0:37:03.880 --> 0:37:06.520 got people talking, and I do think it goes to 0:37:06.600 --> 0:37:09.200 more underlying values issues is not just about this ceremony 0:37:09.280 --> 0:37:12.560 at all. It's also about how you view Australia and 0:37:13.040 --> 0:37:14.400 which of view about a place. 0:37:14.280 --> 0:37:14.680 In the world. 0:37:14.719 --> 0:37:17.160 And there's no doubt I think that the Liberal National 0:37:17.200 --> 0:37:21.440 partis in Peter Dutton are much more interested in protecting 0:37:21.520 --> 0:37:24.320 our home, our nation, and that's consistent I think with 0:37:24.440 --> 0:37:27.120 the shifting worldview across the world here that we need 0:37:27.160 --> 0:37:29.719 to protect ourselves in these difficult times. So look, that 0:37:29.920 --> 0:37:32.879 might help to some degree. But look, I also think 0:37:32.880 --> 0:37:34.759 you're going to have a geographic spread as well, Paul, 0:37:35.040 --> 0:37:38.120 that a national poll obviously can't pick up. I must 0:37:38.160 --> 0:37:40.799 say I spent the last week driving up from Rocky 0:37:40.880 --> 0:37:44.240 to Townsville and this week i'm south of tropical Capricorn, 0:37:44.280 --> 0:37:45.880 hence the jacket to Night's a bit chilly down here 0:37:45.920 --> 0:37:49.320 for me, but love the south traffic Capricorn in Butderberg 0:37:49.520 --> 0:37:52.200 and I've never had a better feeling. And look, that 0:37:52.360 --> 0:37:55.640 might be us up here in Queensland, but I think 0:37:55.680 --> 0:37:57.880 what James just said, maybe the western subs of Sydney, 0:37:58.400 --> 0:38:01.400 the suburbs of Melbourne might be different as well than 0:38:01.440 --> 0:38:03.399 what You're not just picking that up in the national poll. 0:38:03.520 --> 0:38:05.759 So I think Saturday night could be very interesting. I'm 0:38:05.800 --> 0:38:07.399 just going to keep fighting until then because I believe 0:38:07.400 --> 0:38:08.239 we need to change the government. 0:38:09.520 --> 0:38:12.600 Yeah, I mean, remember twenty nineteen, you were telling us 0:38:12.760 --> 0:38:15.080 about what was happening, you know, in the hotel out 0:38:15.120 --> 0:38:18.600 towards the mines, and about that sense about what was happening, 0:38:18.719 --> 0:38:22.120 and again you're traveling and that's what you're feeling so 0:38:22.360 --> 0:38:24.719 important to note again, Right, here's the whole thing. Right, 0:38:25.280 --> 0:38:27.160 no one knows what's going to happen on Saturday night, 0:38:27.239 --> 0:38:28.799 but the whole point is to try to turn around. 0:38:28.840 --> 0:38:31.720 So what happens on Sunday night is not a surprise, Okay, 0:38:31.960 --> 0:38:33.759 So if there is a change of government's not gonna 0:38:33.760 --> 0:38:35.279 be surprised, because you remember Matt saying what he was 0:38:35.400 --> 0:38:37.160 just saying. If the polls are right, well, guess what 0:38:37.280 --> 0:38:38.600 the science, all the rest of it. We've told you 0:38:38.640 --> 0:38:41.239 about that for months, James, Do you think there's still 0:38:41.280 --> 0:38:45.040 time for changes here or what the reality that TV 0:38:45.200 --> 0:38:48.239 ads start to disappear halfway through the week the news 0:38:48.400 --> 0:38:52.000 cycle obviously as we get closer to things like a magic. 0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:55.520 Round and Round eight of the AFL. Yeah, well, look, 0:38:55.520 --> 0:38:58.120 I mean I think you know the big Cardinal Center. 0:38:58.160 --> 0:39:00.600 This campaign by Peter Dunton has been to save everything 0:39:00.680 --> 0:39:02.800 too late, which has meant that all the stuff that 0:39:03.239 --> 0:39:04.880 we're like, oh they can turn the riding get around 0:39:04.880 --> 0:39:06.600 and you do this, you do that. You know, well, 0:39:06.680 --> 0:39:08.839 it's like, well, where was this stuff you know, months 0:39:08.880 --> 0:39:10.759 ago and weeks ago and even a year ago to 0:39:10.840 --> 0:39:14.200 talk about, you know, things like you know, taxes and 0:39:14.400 --> 0:39:16.359 talking about cultural wars and all sorts of other things 0:39:16.360 --> 0:39:17.399 you know, you could have been talking about. 0:39:17.800 --> 0:39:18.680 So it is late in the game. 0:39:18.760 --> 0:39:21.719 We saw how Defense got blown off, you know, the 0:39:21.800 --> 0:39:24.120 front pages by the Pope's passing. You know, so that's 0:39:24.160 --> 0:39:26.799 what happens when you save everything to the last minute. 0:39:26.880 --> 0:39:29.239 Yet they are all these things where the Coalition is 0:39:29.320 --> 0:39:32.440 so different from Labor, and they should have been pushing 0:39:32.520 --> 0:39:35.520 that all along. Now that said, you know, last night 0:39:35.560 --> 0:39:38.280 I had some report on my show Campaign Confidential about 0:39:38.600 --> 0:39:41.120 where Oh and Wit love and some independent polling which 0:39:41.120 --> 0:39:44.560 suggests that those could very well wind up going over 0:39:44.760 --> 0:39:47.200 to the Coalition, which would be huge. You know, that's 0:39:47.280 --> 0:39:49.920 two seats right there. Another interesting thing, Paul, you mentioned 0:39:50.600 --> 0:39:53.160 one nation, and there's another poll out there which says 0:39:53.200 --> 0:39:57.880 that one nation is now the number two polling candidate 0:39:58.080 --> 0:40:03.000 in a Hunter, where Rabbitcaulia said, so that is also 0:40:03.200 --> 0:40:06.400 really huge. I personally think, you know, just from the 0:40:06.480 --> 0:40:10.480 converce seasons I'm having with conservatives around the place, a 0:40:10.560 --> 0:40:12.200 lot of people I think are going to give their 0:40:12.280 --> 0:40:14.360 one to one nation and they're two to the Liberals 0:40:14.719 --> 0:40:16.920 because you know, they feel like the Libs didn't do 0:40:17.080 --> 0:40:19.799 enough in terms of shoring them up. So I think 0:40:19.840 --> 0:40:23.279 what nation could have potentially a really big night, but 0:40:23.320 --> 0:40:24.880 we'll see, it's going to be a long night. 0:40:26.640 --> 0:40:26.759 Now. 0:40:26.840 --> 0:40:30.920 I wanted to just quickly mention Jim Chalmers. Jim Chalmers 0:40:31.000 --> 0:40:32.560 was out and about today saying, oh, we've cut a 0:40:32.640 --> 0:40:35.680 billion dollars off the debt. He does know that the 0:40:35.800 --> 0:40:40.480 debt this year will be one thousand billion dollars and 0:40:40.560 --> 0:40:46.520 then it'll be eventually one point two trillion dollars debt. Okay, 0:40:47.360 --> 0:40:50.959 so yay, one one thousandth of what will become less 0:40:51.000 --> 0:40:54.200 than one one thousandth It's still he wants a gold star, James, 0:40:54.400 --> 0:40:57.000 and people in your profession, not you, obviously, but the 0:40:57.120 --> 0:41:02.320 journalists sitting down scribing away. The golf collaps, golf collaps. 0:41:02.680 --> 0:41:05.080 He's wrecked up. A trillion. He'll get to one point two, 0:41:05.320 --> 0:41:06.440 but he signed a billion. 0:41:07.000 --> 0:41:08.799 Well two very quick things on that, Paul, I mean 0:41:08.880 --> 0:41:11.080 number one. You know, like, I just think it's so 0:41:11.200 --> 0:41:13.160 strange now in this country where I've lived for twenty 0:41:13.239 --> 0:41:15.920 some years, the political emphasis on the depth sit has 0:41:15.960 --> 0:41:18.200 completely disappeared. You know, ten years ago this would have 0:41:18.320 --> 0:41:20.839 been you know, just absolute madhouse. But the other thing, 0:41:20.920 --> 0:41:23.520 the other story that was less reported but deserves to 0:41:23.560 --> 0:41:26.200 be more paid attention to, is the threat to our 0:41:26.239 --> 0:41:28.960 triple A credit rating because of the tens of billions 0:41:29.000 --> 0:41:33.120 of dollars of off the books programs that Albinizi has 0:41:33.120 --> 0:41:35.960 been warned about since the start of his government, putting 0:41:36.000 --> 0:41:38.959 all that extra pressure on inflation and on interest rates. 0:41:39.640 --> 0:41:42.880 If that happens, that trillion dollars becomes that much harder 0:41:43.120 --> 0:41:43.799 to pay off. 0:41:45.360 --> 0:41:48.359 Yeah, I undercent. All right, Matt, your final pitch before 0:41:48.400 --> 0:41:51.920 people golf Divide on Saturday, or maybe as my happiest tomorrow. 0:41:53.840 --> 0:41:55.399 Well, things have got a lot worse in the last 0:41:55.440 --> 0:41:58.040 three years. Havn't that pull you showed at the style 0:41:58.080 --> 0:42:00.320 of your show. People are paying thousands of more on 0:42:00.360 --> 0:42:03.839 their mortgage, their electricity costs, their groceries. Things have got 0:42:03.880 --> 0:42:06.120 to change this country. What the Labor Party are offering 0:42:06.239 --> 0:42:09.400 is just more of the same. They've made no changes, 0:42:09.440 --> 0:42:11.800 they've learned no lessons, and they don't deserve to be 0:42:11.880 --> 0:42:12.360 re elected. 0:42:13.880 --> 0:42:15.719 All right, thank you lads, do appreciate it. We'll see 0:42:15.760 --> 0:42:18.560 Campaign Confidential as well as the outsiders and plenty more 0:42:18.600 --> 0:42:20.879 conversations with James Murray between now and then. Matt, Good 0:42:20.960 --> 0:42:24.320 luck to you and your supporters at the election. Just 0:42:24.400 --> 0:42:26.840 quickly before we go, remember the report from Channel seven 0:42:26.960 --> 0:42:29.160 who basically tried to find a way to blame Peter 0:42:29.280 --> 0:42:30.960 Dutton for his father's heart attack. 0:42:32.400 --> 0:42:36.399 Campaigns are pressure events for candidates like yourself, but their 0:42:36.440 --> 0:42:40.600 pressure events for families of candidates too. Do you worry 0:42:40.840 --> 0:42:44.840 your dad is not being helped and might even have 0:42:44.920 --> 0:42:47.279 been harmed by the fact that he's worried about you? 0:42:47.960 --> 0:42:52.640 This is the same independent journalist on a plane today. 0:42:54.280 --> 0:42:57.400 How Edition might well do a lot better, but if 0:42:57.480 --> 0:43:01.000 they don't, they're in for a severe beating, and that 0:43:01.239 --> 0:43:05.960 means they're probably likely now to be discussing significant changes 0:43:06.360 --> 0:43:09.520 in tactics. In a bit to breakthrough, you'd reckon. An 0:43:09.560 --> 0:43:12.759 advisor might say something like Peter you've got to show 0:43:12.880 --> 0:43:16.399 some anger, buddy, You've got to throw a crunch, You've 0:43:16.440 --> 0:43:19.080 got to be more aggressive. Then you can see other 0:43:19.200 --> 0:43:23.040 advisors going no, whatever you do, do that. We've spent 0:43:23.239 --> 0:43:27.520 years managing a softer Peter dut Can image. We'd spoil 0:43:27.600 --> 0:43:31.920 it in a heartbeat. Who knows what the right answer is. 0:43:32.440 --> 0:43:35.880 But with the last, the fourth and final debate coming up, 0:43:36.400 --> 0:43:39.160 there's a chance we're going to see what their decision is. 0:43:39.960 --> 0:43:41.239 We could see the. 0:43:41.360 --> 0:43:44.719 Inner mongrels for Peter Dunnet, or maybe we'll see a 0:43:44.840 --> 0:43:49.840 softer peterdut Either way, it's a real tactical moment and 0:43:50.000 --> 0:43:53.600 it'll be there in the fourth and final debate as 0:43:53.640 --> 0:43:56.680 the coalition works out what the hell they're going to 0:43:56.800 --> 0:43:59.760 do to try and get out of this hole. Seven 0:44:00.200 --> 0:44:02.879 will be hosted. Make sure you don't be said. 0:44:04.680 --> 0:44:06.920 I don't think in the three years that I've been 0:44:07.000 --> 0:44:09.799 talking about Anthony Abernezi or the three before that, where 0:44:09.840 --> 0:44:12.279 I have hit about as hard as anyone could possibly hit, 0:44:12.320 --> 0:44:15.680 I've ever referred to him as a mungrel. Yet I am, 0:44:15.840 --> 0:44:19.840 of course the nasty, evil, opinionated guy that was the 0:44:20.040 --> 0:44:23.080 independent journalist representing the people ahead of the six PM News, 0:44:24.560 --> 0:44:27.600 first blaming Peter Dutton for his father's heart attack and 0:44:27.640 --> 0:44:33.920 then referring to him having an inner mongrel. Okay more 0:44:33.920 --> 0:44:43.040 on a second on form on while we're in Western Australia, 0:44:43.080 --> 0:44:45.160 I wanted to talk to a man who well sadly 0:44:45.200 --> 0:44:46.680 haven't been able to meet face to face, but I 0:44:46.800 --> 0:44:49.839 absolutely like you, No, that's not true. At the Bush 0:44:49.840 --> 0:44:51.360 Summit last week we had the chance to meet. But 0:44:51.440 --> 0:44:53.200 Tony Seabrook is the man. Now I'm trying to introduce 0:44:53.480 --> 0:44:56.240 the man who is behind the Keep the Sheep program 0:44:56.600 --> 0:44:58.719 that is pretty effective here in Western Australia when we 0:44:58.760 --> 0:45:00.920 were at Cotterslow Beach that you wouldn't think would have 0:45:00.920 --> 0:45:03.440 a particular investment in it. Lots of signs, lots of 0:45:03.480 --> 0:45:05.080 fire up and of course he's with the Pastoral US 0:45:05.080 --> 0:45:07.799 Association here in Western Australia, joining us from York, which 0:45:07.880 --> 0:45:09.759 is just a little bit in land. How are you, mate, 0:45:09.760 --> 0:45:11.719 and how you're feeling the campaign is going? Are you 0:45:11.800 --> 0:45:13.640 getting Paul by gosh? 0:45:13.680 --> 0:45:15.080 We're trolling over here, We really are. 0:45:18.120 --> 0:45:20.879 That's what I love. I mean, I'm seeing all sorts 0:45:20.880 --> 0:45:23.360 of effort and I have normally these sort of independent 0:45:23.480 --> 0:45:26.320 third party groups. They'll make a little bit of a noise, 0:45:26.440 --> 0:45:28.480 a lot of stuff on social media, but it feels 0:45:28.520 --> 0:45:30.120 like you're right in the arm wrest or. Give me 0:45:30.160 --> 0:45:34.040 an idea about how many people, how many signs, how 0:45:34.160 --> 0:45:35.840 much impact? Give me an idea. 0:45:37.000 --> 0:45:37.640 Well, the Keep the. 0:45:37.640 --> 0:45:39.920 Sheep campaign has been going for quite a while. They've 0:45:39.960 --> 0:45:42.800 been three major protests. We've had trucks, we've had farmers, 0:45:42.840 --> 0:45:46.480 we've had the whole royal community in Perth telling the 0:45:46.600 --> 0:45:49.600 world that what the government's doing is wrong. But what 0:45:49.800 --> 0:45:52.480 we can't seem to understand is we have a perfectly 0:45:52.600 --> 0:45:55.279 legal trade here, best in the world. It brings in 0:45:55.360 --> 0:45:59.080 export income for our country. It underpins teams of thousands 0:45:59.160 --> 0:46:02.000 of jobs over the a area of West Australia, and the. 0:46:02.080 --> 0:46:03.920 Government wants to shut it down. And they don't want 0:46:03.920 --> 0:46:06.200 to shut it down for any good reason. It's just 0:46:06.360 --> 0:46:08.840 to appeal to a few inner city voters in Melbourne 0:46:08.880 --> 0:46:11.480 and Sydney. They're throwing us under the bus in a 0:46:11.560 --> 0:46:12.919 most crass and callous way. 0:46:14.400 --> 0:46:16.719 Are you amazed to how a few questions the Prime 0:46:16.800 --> 0:46:20.000 Minister gets asked about this decision which is going to 0:46:20.320 --> 0:46:23.920 ruin families, is going to hurt communities. Yet even when 0:46:23.920 --> 0:46:26.360 he's in Western Australia, doesn't seem to get asked about it. 0:46:27.040 --> 0:46:29.759 Oh, Paul, there hiding. When they come over here, they hide, 0:46:29.840 --> 0:46:32.120 They won't come out and talk to us. Murray Watt 0:46:32.160 --> 0:46:33.880 was said over here to do a hatchet job. He 0:46:33.920 --> 0:46:36.600 would in front a meeting anywhere he knew what a 0:46:36.680 --> 0:46:39.400 building he was going to get, because the feeling over 0:46:39.400 --> 0:46:41.920 here is absolutely white hot. It doesn't matter whether you 0:46:42.040 --> 0:46:44.960 breed sheep or whether you're a shearer. You build stock crates, 0:46:45.200 --> 0:46:47.920 I sell tires, sell fuel, right insurance. 0:46:48.239 --> 0:46:51.080 This is going to hit everybody. And how on earth 0:46:51.160 --> 0:46:53.200 can they think this is going to help our nation. 0:46:54.360 --> 0:46:58.640 We are an industry that's in almost terminal decline now 0:46:58.760 --> 0:47:01.320 forty million sheep here on the nineties down to about 0:47:01.360 --> 0:47:01.919 seven million. 0:47:02.040 --> 0:47:04.040 Now, what they're doing, they've broken the. 0:47:04.080 --> 0:47:07.560 Heart of the sheep industry in West Australia just gradually 0:47:07.680 --> 0:47:09.560 incrementally they've builted us into the ground. 0:47:09.920 --> 0:47:12.040 And this is just shutting down the live sheep trade. 0:47:12.080 --> 0:47:13.879 It's been going on for quite a long time because 0:47:13.920 --> 0:47:16.560 they've made it very difficult for live exporters to live 0:47:16.640 --> 0:47:20.520 export and people are just they're giving up, they're walking away, 0:47:20.640 --> 0:47:22.440 the fences are coming out, the crops are going in 0:47:22.480 --> 0:47:24.800 in places where they used to be sheep. The damage 0:47:24.880 --> 0:47:28.560 is monumental and almost unrecoverable. And to what benefit, what 0:47:28.680 --> 0:47:31.640 benefit to anybody, just to appease a few inner city 0:47:31.760 --> 0:47:34.359 voters who have some ill informed views about what live 0:47:34.400 --> 0:47:35.200 export's all about. 0:47:36.440 --> 0:47:38.880 Well, and I've got an idea that basically sort of 0:47:38.920 --> 0:47:42.520 the left in this country wants a farm land, not 0:47:42.719 --> 0:47:45.800 for farming, but just places to put renewable energy. And 0:47:45.840 --> 0:47:48.360 that's going to be your contribution to Australia, slowly but 0:47:48.480 --> 0:47:50.719 surely renting or selling off your joint. 0:47:52.040 --> 0:47:54.400 Look, I grew up at a time when we're not 0:47:54.440 --> 0:47:56.400 hooked up to the grid. I know what blackouts are like. 0:47:56.480 --> 0:48:00.520 I know exactly what can happen. They're whole renewable energy thing. 0:48:01.280 --> 0:48:03.600 They don't want that in their backyard. They're quite happy 0:48:03.640 --> 0:48:06.080 to have it in someone else's backyard. But the Liberal 0:48:06.120 --> 0:48:08.440 Party with nuclear power, that is the way to go. 0:48:08.840 --> 0:48:12.280 And this whole renewable thing. If the Albanezi government gets elected, 0:48:12.560 --> 0:48:14.759 it won't work and probably at the end of the 0:48:14.840 --> 0:48:17.440 term would be obvious to everybody that's not working. But 0:48:17.560 --> 0:48:19.880 the risk that the public are taking today in voting 0:48:19.920 --> 0:48:23.120 for an Albanezi government with renewable power. I just cannot 0:48:23.160 --> 0:48:26.759 comprehend why people are so dumb and Paul, there's another 0:48:26.840 --> 0:48:28.480 thing too that's going on, and this gets back to 0:48:28.560 --> 0:48:30.400 the taxes that we as the industry pay you when 0:48:30.440 --> 0:48:34.560 we're profitable, the amount of free stuff. Everybody wants free stuff. 0:48:34.840 --> 0:48:36.600 And you were talking about the deficit a while ago. 0:48:37.000 --> 0:48:40.279 How come everything's become free and no one's sounding up 0:48:40.320 --> 0:48:43.319 and saying nothing is free. If you don't pay, someone 0:48:43.360 --> 0:48:45.160 else is going to have to pay. And that's the 0:48:45.239 --> 0:48:48.520 issue here with this little redon endless debt and all 0:48:48.560 --> 0:48:50.640 the free stuff that someone else has got to pay for. 0:48:51.000 --> 0:48:54.080 I'm a taxpayer, quite a lot of tax actually, because 0:48:54.080 --> 0:48:55.560 I work pretty damn art what I do, and so 0:48:55.680 --> 0:48:57.520 do most people I'm associated with. 0:48:58.080 --> 0:49:00.360 So we're taxpayers and they're giving us aiding. 0:49:01.040 --> 0:49:04.919 It's really incomprehensible that a government that says it's working 0:49:04.960 --> 0:49:07.720 for the benefit of Australia is doing this very viable, 0:49:08.160 --> 0:49:10.480 best in the world industry so much Harmer. 0:49:11.480 --> 0:49:13.440 Well, what a surprise. All the people who got everyone 0:49:13.560 --> 0:49:15.920 get surprised, as kids now expect it when it comes 0:49:15.960 --> 0:49:19.160 to being voters as well. Toney all the best, keepthshep 0:49:19.280 --> 0:49:21.319 dot com dot au all the best, mate, and put 0:49:21.440 --> 0:49:24.440 labor last if you care about the industry in Western Australia. 0:49:24.440 --> 0:49:26.880 All Right, quick break and we'll be back with the 0:49:26.960 --> 0:49:29.320 late debate see tomorrow. We've peented upon in the studio.