Speaker 1: This is Paul Murray Live. Can I get evening? Lots
Speaker 1: to get to This is the week, This is game time.
Speaker 1: It is time to fight, fight, fight for the future
Speaker 1: of your country. Yes, a lot of people have already voted,
Speaker 1: way more have not. They will vote in the next
Speaker 1: few days. They will all vote. By Saturday. We will
Speaker 1: all find out together whether the polls, the bookies, which
Speaker 1: have told us that things were very different a few
Speaker 1: months ago, are about to be very different on Saturday night. Now,
Speaker 1: you know that I have a very strong, absolute belief
Speaker 1: that we need to change the government, but I'm not
Speaker 1: going to lie to you about the reality of where
Speaker 1: the Poles sit right now. If the Poles are right
Speaker 1: and the book is right, there is most likely going
Speaker 1: to be a re elected government and they could get
Speaker 1: very close to a majority. But that is just the prediction.
Speaker 1: Poles have been wrong before, but that doesn't mean that
Speaker 1: at their heart they are wrong now. The trend has
Speaker 1: been absolutely clear that something has changed in the past
Speaker 1: couple of months. My hope is that in the next
Speaker 1: few days, as we did on the weekend, that people
Speaker 1: are able to focus on the past three years, not
Speaker 1: the past three weeks or the past three months, the
Speaker 1: people will focus on what is at stake and what
Speaker 1: will happen in the next three years. Now, whatever happens
Speaker 1: on Saturday, we will do what we always do, which
Speaker 1: is to keep an eye on every little bit of detail.
Speaker 1: There will be plenty of people win, lose or draw
Speaker 1: for the Coalition who will try to make their conclusions
Speaker 1: about broadcasts like mine and organizations like the one that
Speaker 1: I work for. But we do not do what we do,
Speaker 1: And for the fifteen years that I have sat here,
Speaker 1: through multiple prime ministers winning and losing elections, I don't
Speaker 1: do the show for anyone other than the people who
Speaker 1: watch it, the people who come up to me in
Speaker 1: the street of the smallest country town or stop me
Speaker 1: at the airports around the country. That'll be our focus,
Speaker 1: and Tomorrow night a special opportunity to spend an hour
Speaker 1: with the man who, on the wed weekend has an
Speaker 1: opportunity to become the next Prime Minister of Australia. Peter
Speaker 1: Dutton will be in the man Cave tomorrow night. He
Speaker 1: will be there for the full hour. There will be
Speaker 1: no editorial. It is just as many questions as possible
Speaker 1: from the people who watch this show and are loyal
Speaker 1: to this station. Thank you to the many hundreds nay,
Speaker 1: probably close to two thousand people who have sent us
Speaker 1: emails with questions. We've got people representing all different parts
Speaker 1: of the country and so many different perspectives, questions that
Speaker 1: we hope inform you a little more about the person
Speaker 1: who you may or may not be casting a vote for,
Speaker 1: either as a primary vote or as a preference vote
Speaker 1: in this election. Tomorrow Night, one Hour, Peter Dutton with
Speaker 1: a new idea. Ask me anything you've seen these on
Speaker 1: the internet. Well, it's the first time they've happened on NASSI, Telly,
Speaker 1: and I'm looking forward to the idea of us finding
Speaker 1: a new way to cover politics and something that hopefully
Speaker 1: as a format, will be able to continue into all
Speaker 1: sorts of interesting Australian But we had to start in
Speaker 1: the week of an election with a man who would
Speaker 1: like to be the next Prime Minister. Peter Dutton, Tomorrow Night,
Speaker 1: one Hour Live with questions from right around the greatest
Speaker 1: country in the world. Now, before I do my usual
Speaker 1: thing where I tell you about what happened today and
Speaker 1: I show you the nonsense of the media, can we
Speaker 1: deal with some of the elements of last night's leaders debate. Now,
Speaker 1: I thought, as always, these things end up being a
Speaker 1: little overly complicated at times, a little over the top
Speaker 1: and a little quirky, and at times they want to
Speaker 1: dumb things down. And that's fine, okay. Not everyone's following
Speaker 1: the detail like you and me. Not everyone's listening to
Speaker 1: Radio National in the morning if they were lefty, or
Speaker 1: they're watching programs like mine at night, if they are
Speaker 1: a common sense person of the center right. But the
Speaker 1: question that was asked that seemed to be the moment
Speaker 1: that Peter Dutton had tripped over himself was, of course
Speaker 1: that question about how much is a carton of eggs?
Speaker 2: Here is a dozen eggs, mister Dutton, do you know
Speaker 2: how much they cost?
Speaker 1: Now, this is always a trick question from people who
Speaker 1: I guarantee needed to research that question first most in
Speaker 1: many of the people who roll their eyes at the
Speaker 1: different politicians' responses. Again, would they know off the top
Speaker 1: of their head every single item that goes into their
Speaker 1: shopping basket? Maybe one or two, But I wouldn't imagine
Speaker 1: the majority, because I've seen these people when they pay
Speaker 1: for lunch and pay for dinner, they don't check the
Speaker 1: bill if you know what I mean. So the idea
Speaker 1: that this is the question which gives us an insight
Speaker 1: into whether people understand what it's like in the real
Speaker 1: world or not. It's a game, and the first person
Speaker 1: that they asked the question of is the person that
Speaker 1: they are trying to stump. You'll notice they asked Peter
Speaker 1: Dutton the question first. Both of them got it wrong,
Speaker 1: but it was Peter Dutton who got it wrong by
Speaker 1: a bigger margin. Like we were playing a version of
Speaker 1: the price is right where it was higher or lower rules.
Speaker 1: The reality is is that in the debate last night
Speaker 1: and in the debate over the past month, there are
Speaker 1: far more relevant statistics that give us an indication as
Speaker 1: to what I think people should be making their decisions
Speaker 1: on when it comes to voting. But it's just not
Speaker 1: talked about at all because the story is obviously negative
Speaker 1: for the Prime minister. Where was the question about how
Speaker 1: hard it is to pay off a home compared to
Speaker 1: three years ago? Well, again, we went and had to
Speaker 1: look for this today. Now your mortgage might be a
Speaker 1: little higher a little lower, but here's the average repayments
Speaker 1: before the last election. It was eighteen hundred dollars a
Speaker 1: month at this election, it's now more than four thousand
Speaker 1: dollars a month. It's twenty seven six hundred dollars that
Speaker 1: people have had to find each year. So double that
Speaker 1: number of twenty seven thousand and six and that's how
Speaker 1: much extra you have paid in your mortgage under the
Speaker 1: Avenzi government. What do you reckon is the more important question?
Speaker 1: The price of ergs or the explosion due to interest
Speaker 1: rates going up and up, up, up, twelve interest rate rises. Yes,
Speaker 1: total effect is thirteen and one was before the last
Speaker 1: election and it's down by one after this election. And
Speaker 1: you notice that halfway through this election Jim Chalmas was
Speaker 1: trying to pretend that Donald Trump's going to ruin the world,
Speaker 1: so you might end up with four or five reductions.
Speaker 1: Notice that conversations disappeared because the reality is that Australia
Speaker 1: will probably end up with this high interest rate for
Speaker 1: much longer than anyone is expecting. Yet, amazingly, when you
Speaker 1: actually go into the opinion polls that our mates at
Speaker 1: Redbridge do. At the start of this campaign, the Liberal
Speaker 1: Party was winning with people who are paying off a mortgage.
Speaker 1: It's now Labor who is winning with people with a mortgage.
Speaker 1: Nothing has changed in how much your mortgage costs. The
Speaker 1: average person and average home paying off the average mortgage
Speaker 1: under this government is twenty seven six hundred dollars worse
Speaker 1: off each year. So double that number, and that's the
Speaker 1: title for twenty three and twenty four. As we roll
Speaker 1: into twenty five again, it's one thing to talk about
Speaker 1: electricity prices, but when you actually compare the numbers, the
Speaker 1: case against the government becomes clear. When it comes to
Speaker 1: power bills. The average annual power bill and I get it.
Speaker 1: Some people a monthly, some people are quarterly. Some people
Speaker 1: have got big houses, small houses, so we've got to
Speaker 1: try to find a number in the middle. The average
Speaker 1: was sixteen hundred bucks before the last election. It's now
Speaker 1: about two thousand dollars. Now. That is a difference of
Speaker 1: about three hundred dollars a year. But I know my
Speaker 1: power bill is way higher than three hundred dollars extra
Speaker 1: a year, let alone the people in small business. So
Speaker 1: that number might frustrate some. But yes, power prices has
Speaker 1: gone up. Remember the promise was for them to go down.
Speaker 1: In fact, the only reason that the power prices don't
Speaker 1: keep going up is because of this artificial payment of
Speaker 1: tax payer money, billions of dollars which they pay twenty
Speaker 1: five dollars a month to every single power bill in
Speaker 1: the country. That doesn't mean that the cost of it's
Speaker 1: going down. It means that somebody else is paying, but
Speaker 1: that somebody else is still you. Another example about rent here,
Speaker 1: the average rent before the last election was about four
Speaker 1: hundred bucks. Now again a lot higher in more popular cities,
Speaker 1: a lot lower in less popular cities. But now it's
Speaker 1: six hundred and twenty seven dollars. So in terms of
Speaker 1: each week, that's a difference of one hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: one dollars. You start to spread that out over the
Speaker 1: fifty two weeks, the number is a lot bigger than
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty one dollars. But again, where are
Speaker 1: people supposed to have found this extra money? Even if
Speaker 1: you're a public servant working for a union based job
Speaker 1: anywhere in the country, your pay rises haven't been enough
Speaker 1: to cover what twenty seven thousand dollars if you're paying
Speaker 1: off a house, or the thousands of dollars extra when
Speaker 1: it comes to paying off rent. But of course they
Speaker 1: didn't want to ask that question. They didn't want to
Speaker 1: show those numbers because those numbers don't achieve the gotcha
Speaker 1: that they wanted to achieve. Now I get it. As
Speaker 1: soon as you're complaining about the media, then somehow you're
Speaker 1: on the losing side. Well, we've been showing you how
Speaker 1: bias the media is, and I will again today because
Speaker 1: again it was so stark. The Prime Minister gets a
Speaker 1: cuddle from the people who all hope to get a
Speaker 1: one on one interview with him in the next few days,
Speaker 1: or to move up the ladder should they be re elected,
Speaker 1: and their proximity to power gets even closer. And people's
Speaker 1: proximity to power, or thirst for access to power is
Speaker 1: in many ways what means they either lie by omission
Speaker 1: or they just look the other way when there are
Speaker 1: fires as big and burning as this. Perhaps most stark
Speaker 1: is insurance. This has been something that has relentlessly been
Speaker 1: pushing inflation. It's been pushing it higher and faster than
Speaker 1: things but normally are the attention of people in the media.
Speaker 1: And while they'll turn around and say, oh, no, it's
Speaker 1: climate change, No, it'll be things like youth crime, it
Speaker 1: will also be companies making an awful lot of money
Speaker 1: because the average home insurance payment in twenty twenty one
Speaker 1: was eight hundred and thirty dollars. At this election, it's
Speaker 1: two seven hundred and seventy four. That is two thousand
Speaker 1: dollars more. So, you've had to find two thousand dollars
Speaker 1: to ensure your house. You've had to find twenty seven
Speaker 1: thousand dollars to pay your house off. And this is
Speaker 1: where people should be furious that the people who have
Speaker 1: overseen this system, who have approved the pay rises of
Speaker 1: public servants, who have approved the increases in health insurance
Speaker 1: time and time again, the people who took fifteen hundred
Speaker 1: dollars off ten million workers are not the people who
Speaker 1: you should rehire for the next three years. But also
Speaker 1: to the way that some of these debates were. And
Speaker 1: it's difficult, right because I understand if you're somebody who
Speaker 1: has watched every hour of every day of the election campaign,
Speaker 1: let alone the multiple weeks prior or, has been paying
Speaker 1: attention to almost every interview every day for the past
Speaker 1: three years, you've heard the same things over and over
Speaker 1: and over and over and over again. But in a
Speaker 1: compulsory voting country, there are many people who only pick
Speaker 1: certain moments that they decide to well give politics any
Speaker 1: attention whatsoever. So, yes, there is a level of repetition
Speaker 1: that exists. But the frustration from the media is that
Speaker 1: they expect the people who want to run our country
Speaker 1: to be both world leaders and performing seals. They want
Speaker 1: them to be able to talk about geostrategic issues involving
Speaker 1: the Indo Pacific. But do it in sixty seconds before
Speaker 1: the music kicks in. Tell us what your plan as
Speaker 1: a government that has a limited ability to regulate a
Speaker 1: free market can do to influence the cost on the
Speaker 1: consumer when it comes to a free market. Doing sixty seconds,
Speaker 1: but do before the music kicks in. As I showed
Speaker 1: you last night, when the music started to kick in,
Speaker 1: you could see this sort of slight distraction because, as
Speaker 1: you know, when you're on TV, you've got one of
Speaker 1: these things in your ear, an earpiece where the people
Speaker 1: who are showing the videos from our control room are
Speaker 1: able to tell me what's coming up. There is a
Speaker 1: small skill involved in being able to talk as I
Speaker 1: do each and every night, no ward o que, no scripts,
Speaker 1: but also have somebody occasionally telling me something's going to
Speaker 1: happen in my ear. For politicians, they're not television performance.
Speaker 1: They're not broadcasters. Yes, they have an ability to be salespeople,
Speaker 1: but sometimes we need to cut them a little bit
Speaker 1: of slack. But of course, when an election is about
Speaker 1: trying to hide the fat is of one person while
Speaker 1: trying to bury the other person, they don't care about
Speaker 1: that whatsoever. Generally, the way that elections work is that
Speaker 1: there are four or five opinion polls which take up
Speaker 1: a new cycle egion every day. Let alone the international events,
Speaker 1: let alone the bias of the reporters. We know what's
Speaker 1: happening here. But as I have said for three years,
Speaker 1: they promised to make it better. But where you live,
Speaker 1: how much a cost to turn the light on, how
Speaker 1: much it costs to fill the fridge, how much it
Speaker 1: costs to ensure the home in case flood, fire, tree
Speaker 1: falls on it, or somebody breaks a window and steals
Speaker 1: your television costs more? Then? How is any of that
Speaker 1: not a fundamental failure to deliver on the fundamental promises
Speaker 1: made three years ago? What do the promises only matter
Speaker 1: when they are made by coalition politicians?
Speaker 3: I repeat the.
Speaker 1: Metaphor that I have for a long time during this election,
Speaker 1: which was when Tony Abbitt said he was going to
Speaker 1: stop the boats if he had not stopped the boats,
Speaker 1: but the boats had doubled in the time of his
Speaker 1: prime ministership, what do you think the media would have done.
Speaker 1: These people promised to make cost of living better, but
Speaker 1: it got worse. They said that one interest rate rise
Speaker 1: was a need to change the government. Well what do
Speaker 1: they say after twelve? Of course nothing. Instead they distract
Speaker 1: and say, look over here. There was a social media
Speaker 1: video put out by a Labor MP and I'm not
Speaker 1: going to give it its free publicity here, but it
Speaker 1: has people in Labor Party shirts, so they're members of
Speaker 1: the party saying why they're going to vote for the party.
Speaker 1: And one of the people says to bring back bulk billing.
Speaker 1: Who's promising to get rid of it? No one. But
Speaker 1: if you say a lie enough, eventually people pay attention.
Speaker 1: But again, we can't sit here and siok. That's just
Speaker 1: the way they're playing. They're doing it within the force
Speaker 1: of the law. But anyone who doesn't think that there's
Speaker 1: a slight slanted in the way that the game's being played, well,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you're being dishonest. I'm looking forward to our
Speaker 1: hour with Peter Dutton tomorrow night, not because I hope
Speaker 1: he becomes the next Prime Minis and I do. But
Speaker 1: because it's an hour where you can see how he works,
Speaker 1: you can see how he thinks, you can see what
Speaker 1: he believes in. It's not meant to be an adversarial experience.
Speaker 1: It's not meant to be me yelling at him for
Speaker 1: an hour. It's meant to be an hour of you
Speaker 1: being able to size up a person about weather you
Speaker 1: think they can lead the country for the next three years.
Speaker 1: The derekon Albou would be up to that. Therecon Albou
Speaker 1: would be able to look somebody in the eye and
Speaker 1: tell them their life is better when it costs thirty
Speaker 1: thousand dollars more to pay off their house, a couple
Speaker 1: of thousand dollars more to ensure it, hundreds of dollars
Speaker 1: more each and every week to fill the fridge. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't think so either. I'll I eod be more
Speaker 1: on the debate in a second. But let's get to
Speaker 1: what we normally do as our feature. All the way
Speaker 1: through the election. Five days to go until the federal election,
Speaker 1: and there has been an explosion in early voting. All up,
Speaker 1: about eighteen million people will vote, but about three million
Speaker 1: have already voted. Now. This is one of the key
Speaker 1: arguments for lots of people, which is the media. Yes, understandably,
Speaker 1: that's a massive number. And I want you to vote tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Why because your mind's made up. Okay, go do it,
Speaker 1: get it done. It all gets counted on Saturday. There's
Speaker 1: no funny business. It's just a way of banking the vote,
Speaker 1: which is what should be happening, right. But three million
Speaker 1: is a smaller number than eighteen million, meaning that there
Speaker 1: are what fifteen million people eligible to vote who are
Speaker 1: compelled by our law to vote, who still have not voted. Now,
Speaker 1: whether they could be won over by the changing tactics
Speaker 1: of the last couple of days, we'll all find out together.
Speaker 1: But anyone who says it's over because lots of people
Speaker 1: have already voted, of course, it's all just about trying
Speaker 1: to make it seem like it is over now. And again,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to sit here and be surprised if
Speaker 1: the government gets re elected. It's a first term government.
Speaker 1: We haven't got rid of one in more than a century.
Speaker 1: And this first term government, despite its record, has such
Speaker 1: a soft run in the media and has such a
Speaker 1: little pushback. It's got an army of people playing at
Speaker 1: the shallow end of the pool when it comes to
Speaker 1: social media. And that's fine, it's all legal. That's the
Speaker 1: way that works, that's the system. But I'm not going
Speaker 1: to sit here and tell you that I know the
Speaker 1: result of the election before the election. I said it
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen because it was true. I said it
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two because it was true. I say
Speaker 1: it in twenty twenty five. I will say it in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty eight. I will say it in twenty thirty one,
Speaker 1: planning to be here for a while. Nothing is inevitable.
Speaker 1: Do not assume the way your neighbor is going to vote,
Speaker 1: and therefore change your vote. Do not assume.
Speaker 4: What the.
Speaker 1: Informed insights are into what's going to happen at the
Speaker 1: election to be the actual result. Again, if the result
Speaker 1: is as predicted, then it won't be a surprise. Why
Speaker 1: because I told you. I've sat here and I've told
Speaker 1: you for months when it's good news, when it's bad news.
Speaker 1: But I don't hide the news from you. You the numbers,
Speaker 1: and I explained the data. I explained the trains. I
Speaker 1: explained why this might happen and that might happen. I've
Speaker 1: even shown you how many people are on the voter rolls,
Speaker 1: not just say there are more younger Artis than all
Speaker 1: of it. I'll show you the numbers because you're a
Speaker 1: details person and like me, you can't get enough of
Speaker 1: the real information. And the real information is missing on
Speaker 1: mostly the six per Mews, and it is missing when
Speaker 1: it comes to things like those debates as for the
Speaker 1: places that have had the most highly attended locations when
Speaker 1: it comes to early voting. The seat of where are
Speaker 1: what now? This was considered at one point in time
Speaker 1: maybe gettable by the Libs because this is your classic
Speaker 1: outer suburban western Sydney seat. But an awful lot of
Speaker 1: people have already voted in Fowler die Lee, hoping to
Speaker 1: repeat what she had done three years ago in the
Speaker 1: seats of Gordon, Herbert Bowman, gillibrand Fadden Mitchell, as well
Speaker 1: as pabloic Servant Rich seat in the Act and in
Speaker 1: and around the Mornington Peninsula in the seat of Flinders.
Speaker 1: Here's some of the people who spoke to us after
Speaker 1: voting today. Definitely one of the biggest problems is as
Speaker 1: it crazes.
Speaker 5: I think a lot of people are struggling.
Speaker 1: I don't like the nuclear power plant plant as well.
Speaker 6: Monigos, Yeah, very hard GA make elbow go away.
Speaker 1: What do you make of the state of the country
Speaker 1: right now?
Speaker 7: Oh, we're going down the toilet.
Speaker 1: But I feel like we are just so focused on
Speaker 1: the wrong things. Dare I say woke?
Speaker 7: But everyone says that we hardly go out because it's
Speaker 7: too expensive.
Speaker 1: Well done, appreciate it. Lots of insights that we get
Speaker 1: from people. We all learn the data together. Now Sky
Speaker 1: News the course wall of war coverage between now and
Speaker 1: election Day. I look forward to being part of Election Night.
Speaker 1: We're broadcasts and my insights at the top of each
Speaker 1: and every hour and the best panel in the business.
Speaker 1: Then Sunday night we have the mop up. But there's
Speaker 1: a lot of work between now and then. At a
Speaker 1: lot of people who I want you to share the
Speaker 1: videos with and want you to tip them into the content.
Speaker 1: I want you to tell them, hey, you have a
Speaker 1: look at this. I know you're thinking this, but what
Speaker 1: about that. You're not going to be able to change
Speaker 1: a hardcore lefty. You're not going to be able to
Speaker 1: move somebody who's voted labor their whole life. You're not
Speaker 1: going to do anything for somebody who's rusted on Q
Speaker 1: and a lover and loves teal, But you know that
Speaker 1: person who's a little bit this, a little bit that,
Speaker 1: and I like this's wand and you know, bring them
Speaker 1: back to the central issues that aren't about personality but
Speaker 1: about the country and whether we have started to circle
Speaker 1: the drain like that lady said, or whether we're better
Speaker 1: off than we were worth three years ago, because remember
Speaker 1: that's what they promised. As for the media today and
Speaker 1: the different appearances of both of the leaders, Anthony Abernezi
Speaker 1: out and about an early voting center, which meant there's
Speaker 1: plenty of opportunity for chaos pictures and all of that business.
Speaker 1: He also made a couple of announcements, including an important
Speaker 1: one in and around helping the victims of domestic violence,
Speaker 1: which I fully support, no problem and that number and
Speaker 1: money was echoed as a something that the Coalation would
Speaker 1: do as well. So good to see. However, Anthony Aberanne
Speaker 1: after winning the debate last night, and I'll have more
Speaker 1: to say about that in the second well he went
Speaker 1: for victory.
Speaker 8: I note Peter Dutton this morning has said that somehow
Speaker 8: the audience was stacked. The truth is that out of
Speaker 8: every person who chose Peter Dutton to chose myself. What
Speaker 8: that indicates is a clear outcome. Every time people have
Speaker 8: had the opportunity to have a say in the previous
Speaker 8: People's Forum, they did certainly a significant, clear majority, bigger
Speaker 8: than the majority that occurred with Scott Morrison in the debate.
Speaker 8: Truth is, if you look historically, it's half prime ministers
Speaker 8: to win debate. I think the more people see of
Speaker 8: Peter Dutton, the more they know that this is an
Speaker 8: opposition that were in government years ago. Is this the
Speaker 8: leftovers from the Morrison government.
Speaker 1: He's running against the past, he's running against former prime ministers.
Speaker 1: He's doing any and everything. You can just move away
Speaker 1: from those key numbers that I showed you before, and
Speaker 1: the media they'll just clap along. Yeah okay, Roddy, so
Speaker 1: fair enough. But anyway, about the twenty seven thousand dollars
Speaker 1: extra it costs for somebody to pay off mortgage, best
Speaker 1: part of what fifty thousand dollars extra since you became
Speaker 1: the prime minister. Anything you say about that, well it
Speaker 1: works for me because I get the negative gearing and
Speaker 1: I'm currently living in the mansion in Canberra as for
Speaker 1: Peter dunn't. Unsurprisingly, this is the week where they think
Speaker 1: they're able to put the stake through the vampire, which
Speaker 1: means we get this garbage from the media. Remember again,
Speaker 1: it's not about soft questions, it's not about cuddles. But
Speaker 1: it's just about the idea that the Prime Minister has
Speaker 1: just besd his way around the map, told you the
Speaker 1: joint would better when it's remarkably worse. Never gets called out,
Speaker 1: but then the bloke who does call him out gets
Speaker 1: this treatment in reverse.
Speaker 2: When is it appropriate to have a welcome to country
Speaker 2: ceremony well.
Speaker 9: At a significant event like the opening of Parliament. But
Speaker 9: I think the Prime Minister divided this country with the
Speaker 9: voice give us four hundred and fifty million dollars, and
Speaker 9: he tried to divide us on the basis of herodigen race. No,
Speaker 9: I didn't agree with it, and the majority of Australians
Speaker 9: didn't agree with it. And Australians are respectful towards indigenous astrains.
Speaker 9: We're all equal Australians and it's why I believe that
Speaker 9: we should stand behind one flag united.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the conversation in and around Welcome to Country already
Speaker 1: The Guardian writing in space here he is pashion down
Speaker 1: on people. No, it's a custom, so the law as
Speaker 1: to whether it should happen or not, and we'll debate
Speaker 1: that in a moment or two's time. And on No
Speaker 1: looks no Lefties Monday Night the way that you like
Speaker 1: it to hear on Paul Murray Live. But again, let's
Speaker 1: have a look at the soft questions for albou today.
Speaker 1: But there was one very strong exception.
Speaker 2: Coalition's plan and to cut forty one public servants forty
Speaker 2: one thousand public servants from camera would mean a prolonged
Speaker 2: depression for the area and surrounding suburbs. Do you agree
Speaker 2: with that assessment?
Speaker 1: Would you fund every Australian student to watch adolescents?
Speaker 7: When did you get time to watch adolescence?
Speaker 2: On the Campagne chart?
Speaker 7: What does it say about your opponent? You think that
Speaker 7: he doesn't know the price of eggs?
Speaker 1: Wow? Mark Levy though, well, he was a steal in
Speaker 1: the spine and he was the one who I know,
Speaker 1: was it going to put up with it? Wasn't going
Speaker 1: to have his opportunity to talk to the Prime Ministry
Speaker 1: and let it go by. And I love that he
Speaker 1: gave it straight to him.
Speaker 10: Does yoursky billet your private residents gone up all down?
Speaker 3: It's a very simple question.
Speaker 1: I live in the lodge. That's where I live.
Speaker 10: So you're not preparing to tell us what your private
Speaker 10: property your electricity, but whether it's gone up.
Speaker 1: Or down, that's where I live. And on Green preferences,
Speaker 1: too well done, Mark.
Speaker 3: Will you do a deal with the ground?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: Why have you preferenced them second in your own seat?
Speaker 8: Well I went on primaries, Mark, My preferences don't go anywhere.
Speaker 10: In all but eight seats. Labor is preferencing the Green
Speaker 10: second or third. Adam Bantt is saying he's prepared to
Speaker 10: do deals with you as Prime minister in a minority government.
Speaker 10: So how can you honestly say to the Australian people
Speaker 10: that there won't be deals done.
Speaker 3: With the great because they won't be so on May three,
Speaker 3: if there's a hung parliament, who are you going to.
Speaker 11: Work with and to work with the parliament? Work with
Speaker 11: myself and people will.
Speaker 3: So nothing you'll get done.
Speaker 6: No, that's not right at all.
Speaker 1: Work with myself. Don't say it, Paul, don't say as
Speaker 1: for again. One more observation about the debate last night
Speaker 1: Over on Channel seven. And I'm glad that lots of
Speaker 1: people are watching these things. Lots of people are watching
Speaker 1: them online as well. They're actually doing pretty well. And
Speaker 1: I appreciate that everyone's put these things in primetime. Remember
Speaker 1: in some elections, I used to put these things lunchtime
Speaker 1: Friday afternoons. No, they're you know, they're decided to mainline
Speaker 1: all of this stuff. And I think it's been good.
Speaker 1: But I can't help but just make a couple of
Speaker 1: observations that I wonder if the moderator is telling us
Speaker 1: virus questions who he likes more.
Speaker 7: Mister Dutton, what will you offer to families in the
Speaker 7: way of cost living relief from Sunday? Your fuel excise
Speaker 7: is taxpayers supporting taxpayers. It's the same thing, isn't it.
Speaker 7: It's a taxpayer funded shopper docket. You mentioned migration in
Speaker 7: there about housing. Don't we need skilled migrants? You will
Speaker 7: repeal a tax cut. I don't know of any leader
Speaker 7: who's ever done that. Is that crazy, brave or just crazy?
Speaker 7: Will you have welcome to country ceremonies where you have
Speaker 7: smoking ceremonies? Will you acknowledge the traditional owners at your
Speaker 7: official events? Can we trust Donald Trump? Why do you
Speaker 7: think your plan is best to keep the lights on?
Speaker 7: Mister Dutton? Would you be happy, mister Dutton have a
Speaker 7: nuclear power plan.
Speaker 4: In your suburb.
Speaker 7: If it's so good, why have you not the into
Speaker 7: one of those seven sites in the past four weeks?
Speaker 7: Will we see you at a nuclear power plant site
Speaker 7: in the next six days?
Speaker 5: Have you distanced yourself?
Speaker 1: Do you think from mister Trump's style enough?
Speaker 3: We still have a dose?
Speaker 7: Just enterprice going around the bad is your word?
Speaker 1: You'r body on that point.
Speaker 12: We want you to listen to something else.
Speaker 9: But I've apologized for the decision that we took in
Speaker 9: relation to work from home?
Speaker 1: How did you get that policy? So wrong? And a
Speaker 1: problem for all of us who try to find undecided
Speaker 1: voters to make a decision, So say People's Forum or
Speaker 1: in this is that? Of course, it's up to the
Speaker 1: people who put their hands up to say whether they
Speaker 1: are undecided voters or not. So again, this no other
Speaker 1: way to do it than to self identify as an
Speaker 1: undecided voter. These were some of the undecided voters. Did
Speaker 1: two guys came here tonight and you were wanting to
Speaker 1: be inspired. Were you inspired tonight. Yeah, I think I was.
Speaker 5: I think both of them offered solutions that were possible, hopefully.
Speaker 5: I think of an Easy finished with which I think
Speaker 5: was a nice change instead of that nitpicking that they
Speaker 5: always see. It's good to hear person think Labor offer
Speaker 5: a bit more like the Liberals were just kind of attacking,
Speaker 5: but they didn't really offer anything. I'd feel more confident
Speaker 5: voting for Labor today.
Speaker 1: I just feel as ab and Easy brought up a
Speaker 1: lot of evidence to support his claims, whereas the opposition
Speaker 1: was just making small jobs. If one of the leaders
Speaker 1: was to come to your house, what do you think
Speaker 1: that you would want them to know? The bills?
Speaker 9: They keep on going higher and higher and there's no
Speaker 9: relief at all.
Speaker 1: But are we surprised? This is the television station that
Speaker 1: has a reporter stalking Peter Dutton. And I say that
Speaker 1: because he asks questions like this, basically blaming Peter Dunton
Speaker 1: for his father's heart attack.
Speaker 13: Campaigns pressure events for candidates like yourself, but they're pressure
Speaker 13: events for families of candidates too. Do you worry your
Speaker 13: dad is not being helped? He might even have been
Speaker 13: harmed by the fact that he's worried about you.
Speaker 1: I get it. All these people will we hate watching
Speaker 1: right now kick on the TV. Oh who cares? Well?
Speaker 1: I care and I know the people watching this program care,
Speaker 1: and make no mistake, regardless of what is about to happen.
Speaker 1: Be a good news, be it bad news for those
Speaker 1: of us who would like to change the government. We fight, fight, fight,
Speaker 1: the day before the election, the day of the election,
Speaker 1: and the day after. Peter Dutton here tomorrow night with
Speaker 1: Don't Ask Me Anything. We'll be back with nooks snow
Speaker 1: lefties at a moment's time. And if he player out
Speaker 1: in the Western Australian version of this federal election, we'll
Speaker 1: also join us more in a second. Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for watching Peter Dutton on the show tomorrow night.
Speaker 1: As I quickly checked my notes and yes it is true.
Speaker 1: James Morrow is here from the Daily Telegraph and Assembled programs.
Speaker 1: You're on Sky News and joining us from the campaign
Speaker 1: trail is the Nationals Senator Sorry llenp Senator for Queens,
Speaker 1: and none other than Senator Matt Canaban. Matt, where are
Speaker 1: you tonight? Mate?
Speaker 11: And Bunderberg mate? Just outside the run distillery here you know, well,
Speaker 11: we had the show here once s great place, great place, Bunderberg.
Speaker 1: Bloody, bloody oath. And it gives me the opportunity to
Speaker 1: remind people sixty three percent of a bottle of Bundy
Speaker 1: rumm is tax under this government. Sixty three percent is
Speaker 1: that been found in Fair to you, James, just a
Speaker 1: few days Togo. Are you running on adrenaline or are
Speaker 1: you running on an IV pack?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 6: Adrenaline, dopamine, sir, turning all the good things there. Yeah, look,
Speaker 6: we had a few days to go here. It is
Speaker 6: interesting because it is does feel like, you know, there's
Speaker 6: still some movement left in this thing. And I think that,
Speaker 6: you know, there's such a soft vote out there, and
Speaker 6: so many minor parties and so many vos going to
Speaker 6: minor parties. I do think it's going to be a
Speaker 6: pretty interesting Saturday night.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, in terms of primary vote, basically two
Speaker 1: thirds of Australia will not vote for whoever becomes the
Speaker 1: government but at the current or a change, and that
Speaker 1: of course brings into that question of preferences. It's why
Speaker 1: I bang on regardless of which way you're planning to vote.
Speaker 1: If you're not planning the vote major party, the what
Speaker 1: you do with number two matters. It really really matters.
Speaker 1: And if you send it out on a long journey
Speaker 1: like Uncle Clive would likely to do well. Guess what
Speaker 1: It's going to result in the re election of the
Speaker 1: current government. But then he wants more Trump anyway. You
Speaker 1: get the point, Matt, let's talk about last night in
Speaker 1: the debate and the Welcome to Country conversation. I've got
Speaker 1: a couple of views on this, and it's not about
Speaker 1: pulling my punches, but I think that anyone promising, and
Speaker 1: certainly the Palmer Ads are out there sort of pretending
Speaker 1: that someone's going to pass a law and welcome to
Speaker 1: Country is going to disappear. It's not no one's going
Speaker 1: to it's a custom. Unions will stew it, Lefty groups
Speaker 1: will still do it. But it is good if Peter
Speaker 1: dunn't to turn around and say, you know what, we
Speaker 1: don't need it at the opening of everything.
Speaker 11: I think it's going to change how things are done
Speaker 11: in this country. Paul As you say you're not going
Speaker 11: to pass the lad to get rid of it completely,
Speaker 11: but I do think we're going to see fewer welcomes
Speaker 11: to country now inappropriate at inappropriate times because of leader
Speaker 11: ship from Peter Dutton. Here we who is and he
Speaker 11: is just giving the voice to the vast majority of Australians.
Speaker 11: I mean, this has been a hot topic. I've been
Speaker 11: on the polling Booze every day for the past week,
Speaker 11: certainly on Saturday and today. A lot of people have
Speaker 11: been talking about this and they just had a gutful.
Speaker 11: They've had a gutful of trying to go to go
Speaker 11: to a nationally unifying event like an ANZAC Day service
Speaker 11: at sporting match and there force fed a political diet tribe.
Speaker 11: And it's not just about the ceremony here, Paul. I
Speaker 11: think the Labour, Green, ABC Guardian led reaction to this
Speaker 11: shows how out of touch they are on other issues too.
Speaker 11: They're out of touch on this issue when it comes
Speaker 11: to the welcome to country. But that also explains, i think, Paul,
Speaker 11: why they're out of touch on things like energy and
Speaker 11: housing and migration, because they're they're there, there, there, their
Speaker 11: their their gut instincts are just not aligned with the
Speaker 11: the average sinking of everyday Australians.
Speaker 1: Well. Also, you know, it always strikes me that you
Speaker 1: know when a suburban council in woke bits of Melbourne
Speaker 1: moves Australian, that Alice Springs doesn't, that Darwin doesn't James.
Speaker 1: And again it is one of these things where there
Speaker 1: is this this absolute difference between people who somehow want
Speaker 1: all the benefits of the twenty first century but then
Speaker 1: want to pretend that the past couple of hundred years
Speaker 1: didn't and shouldn't have happened. But again I think Peter
Speaker 1: Dunnan's onto something here about the over use of it
Speaker 1: that in the same way that you don't We're not
Speaker 1: a country that the pledges allegiance to the flag egent
Speaker 1: every day at the start of a school day, doesn't
Speaker 1: sing the national anthem at the start of each and
Speaker 1: every sporting event. So if it has that level of significance,
Speaker 1: then save it for those moments.
Speaker 6: Well, you know, not only that too, you point there
Speaker 6: about the councilors, like in Alice Springs and things like that. Well,
Speaker 6: Australia is a really interesting one because also I would
Speaker 6: note that like here in Sydney, my own council in
Speaker 6: a West Council likes to pretend Australia doesn't even exist.
Speaker 6: You know, basically for all intensive purposes, you go out west,
Speaker 6: you know, you go to some of these councils that
Speaker 6: are very heavily dominated by migrants, and they want to
Speaker 6: do big things for Australia. And you know, we talk
Speaker 6: a lot about social cohesion in this place. And one
Speaker 6: of the things that I have a problem with this
Speaker 6: idea of the welcome to country being is that it
Speaker 6: tells everybody, not just the soldiers you're honoring on Anzac Day,
Speaker 6: but every single person who is here as a citizen
Speaker 6: or a want to be citizen of this country that
Speaker 6: this land or this country of Australia is transient, impermanent,
Speaker 6: potentially illegitimate, and you're just a guest. And there's this
Speaker 6: sort of furfey around saying, oh no, no, no, they're
Speaker 6: only just welcoming you to this little bit or that
Speaker 6: little bit. Well, it's still the same idea when you
Speaker 6: get down to it, and it's about delegitimizing the country.
Speaker 6: This culture stuff. You know, people dismiss it out Bess.
Speaker 6: I don't want to fight culture wars. Well, of course
Speaker 6: he doesn't want to fight culture wars. But the thing
Speaker 6: is culture matters, Paul. Culture matters, and if you don't
Speaker 6: follow the culture and maintain a shared set of beliefs, traditions, ideas, values,
Speaker 6: where as we deal with one another that all the
Speaker 6: other stuff, including a prosperous economy, don't fall out of it,
Speaker 6: which is where it has to work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about the next few days because we know, yes,
Speaker 1: millions of people have voted, millions more have not voted.
Speaker 1: Latest news poll shows that the trend that seems to
Speaker 1: have been there for the past few weeks is sticking around.
Speaker 1: Where we're sitting at fifty two forty eight in terms
Speaker 1: of two party preferred in terms of the primary vote.
Speaker 1: Worth seeing here that labor is a little higher, in
Speaker 1: fact two points higher than when they were the last
Speaker 1: federal election. Coalition pretty much the same, thirty four to
Speaker 1: thirty five, Greens down to eleven, one nation up. Yet again,
Speaker 1: when will the commentariat or will they all wake up
Speaker 1: shocked on Saturday? If on Sunday that the one nation
Speaker 1: vote is up three points off the last election, almost
Speaker 1: at double where it was at the last election, that
Speaker 1: is going to matter, particularly in the Senate and twelve
Speaker 1: percent of people who are sitting anywhere, but what we
Speaker 1: have just mentioned the key question, which about whether or
Speaker 1: not the government deserves to be re elected eight percent
Speaker 1: of people say no, thirty nine percent say yes, about
Speaker 1: sixty three percent of people saying that the coalition not
Speaker 1: ready to govern. That is a poll that has got
Speaker 1: worse since the election has rolled in. As for better
Speaker 1: prime minister, fifty one more than half the country now
Speaker 1: saying that the prime minister should continue as prime minister
Speaker 1: because he's the better prime minister, thirty five percent for
Speaker 1: Peter duzn't and fourteen percent uncommitted. So obvious question here,
Speaker 1: and Matt, I want to ask it this way, mind's
Speaker 1: made up? Or time to change? Because yeah, okay, some
Speaker 1: people just randomly or throw a dart in their mind
Speaker 1: on their way to the polling booth. But with this
Speaker 1: change towards conversations about culture and stark differences that exist,
Speaker 1: do you think that that's an opportunity to change minds.
Speaker 11: Look, I do think there's a lot of so called
Speaker 11: soft voters out there seemingly the polls. That probably explains
Speaker 11: why the minor party vote is high. So therefore there
Speaker 11: are people who may change their minds. Think, as I
Speaker 11: said earlier, this whole conversation about welcome the country has
Speaker 11: got people talking, and I do think it goes to
Speaker 11: more underlying values issues is not just about this ceremony
Speaker 11: at all. It's also about how you view Australia and
Speaker 11: which of view about a place.
Speaker 13: In the world.
Speaker 11: And there's no doubt I think that the Liberal National
Speaker 11: partis in Peter Dutton are much more interested in protecting
Speaker 11: our home, our nation, and that's consistent I think with
Speaker 11: the shifting worldview across the world here that we need
Speaker 11: to protect ourselves in these difficult times. So look, that
Speaker 11: might help to some degree. But look, I also think
Speaker 11: you're going to have a geographic spread as well, Paul,
Speaker 11: that a national poll obviously can't pick up. I must
Speaker 11: say I spent the last week driving up from Rocky
Speaker 11: to Townsville and this week i'm south of tropical Capricorn,
Speaker 11: hence the jacket to Night's a bit chilly down here
Speaker 11: for me, but love the south traffic Capricorn in Butderberg
Speaker 11: and I've never had a better feeling. And look, that
Speaker 11: might be us up here in Queensland, but I think
Speaker 11: what James just said, maybe the western subs of Sydney,
Speaker 11: the suburbs of Melbourne might be different as well than
Speaker 11: what You're not just picking that up in the national poll.
Speaker 11: So I think Saturday night could be very interesting. I'm
Speaker 11: just going to keep fighting until then because I believe
Speaker 11: we need to change the government.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, remember twenty nineteen, you were telling us
Speaker 1: about what was happening, you know, in the hotel out
Speaker 1: towards the mines, and about that sense about what was happening,
Speaker 1: and again you're traveling and that's what you're feeling so
Speaker 1: important to note again, Right, here's the whole thing. Right,
Speaker 1: no one knows what's going to happen on Saturday night,
Speaker 1: but the whole point is to try to turn around.
Speaker 1: So what happens on Sunday night is not a surprise, Okay,
Speaker 1: So if there is a change of government's not gonna
Speaker 1: be surprised, because you remember Matt saying what he was
Speaker 1: just saying. If the polls are right, well, guess what
Speaker 1: the science, all the rest of it. We've told you
Speaker 1: about that for months, James, Do you think there's still
Speaker 1: time for changes here or what the reality that TV
Speaker 1: ads start to disappear halfway through the week the news
Speaker 1: cycle obviously as we get closer to things like a magic.
Speaker 6: Round and Round eight of the AFL. Yeah, well, look,
Speaker 6: I mean I think you know the big Cardinal Center.
Speaker 6: This campaign by Peter Dunton has been to save everything
Speaker 6: too late, which has meant that all the stuff that
Speaker 6: we're like, oh they can turn the riding get around
Speaker 6: and you do this, you do that. You know, well,
Speaker 6: it's like, well, where was this stuff you know, months
Speaker 6: ago and weeks ago and even a year ago to
Speaker 6: talk about, you know, things like you know, taxes and
Speaker 6: talking about cultural wars and all sorts of other things
Speaker 6: you know, you could have been talking about.
Speaker 1: So it is late in the game.
Speaker 6: We saw how Defense got blown off, you know, the
Speaker 6: front pages by the Pope's passing. You know, so that's
Speaker 6: what happens when you save everything to the last minute.
Speaker 6: Yet they are all these things where the Coalition is
Speaker 6: so different from Labor, and they should have been pushing
Speaker 6: that all along. Now that said, you know, last night
Speaker 6: I had some report on my show Campaign Confidential about
Speaker 6: where Oh and Wit love and some independent polling which
Speaker 6: suggests that those could very well wind up going over
Speaker 6: to the Coalition, which would be huge. You know, that's
Speaker 6: two seats right there. Another interesting thing, Paul, you mentioned
Speaker 6: one nation, and there's another poll out there which says
Speaker 6: that one nation is now the number two polling candidate
Speaker 6: in a Hunter, where Rabbitcaulia said, so that is also
Speaker 6: really huge. I personally think, you know, just from the
Speaker 6: converce seasons I'm having with conservatives around the place, a
Speaker 6: lot of people I think are going to give their
Speaker 6: one to one nation and they're two to the Liberals
Speaker 6: because you know, they feel like the Libs didn't do
Speaker 6: enough in terms of shoring them up. So I think
Speaker 6: what nation could have potentially a really big night, but
Speaker 6: we'll see, it's going to be a long night.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: I wanted to just quickly mention Jim Chalmers. Jim Chalmers
Speaker 1: was out and about today saying, oh, we've cut a
Speaker 1: billion dollars off the debt. He does know that the
Speaker 1: debt this year will be one thousand billion dollars and
Speaker 1: then it'll be eventually one point two trillion dollars debt. Okay,
Speaker 1: so yay, one one thousandth of what will become less
Speaker 1: than one one thousandth It's still he wants a gold star, James,
Speaker 1: and people in your profession, not you, obviously, but the
Speaker 1: journalists sitting down scribing away. The golf collaps, golf collaps.
Speaker 1: He's wrecked up. A trillion. He'll get to one point two,
Speaker 1: but he signed a billion.
Speaker 6: Well two very quick things on that, Paul, I mean
Speaker 6: number one. You know, like, I just think it's so
Speaker 6: strange now in this country where I've lived for twenty
Speaker 6: some years, the political emphasis on the depth sit has
Speaker 6: completely disappeared. You know, ten years ago this would have
Speaker 6: been you know, just absolute madhouse. But the other thing,
Speaker 6: the other story that was less reported but deserves to
Speaker 6: be more paid attention to, is the threat to our
Speaker 6: triple A credit rating because of the tens of billions
Speaker 6: of dollars of off the books programs that Albinizi has
Speaker 6: been warned about since the start of his government, putting
Speaker 6: all that extra pressure on inflation and on interest rates.
Speaker 6: If that happens, that trillion dollars becomes that much harder
Speaker 6: to pay off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I undercent. All right, Matt, your final pitch before
Speaker 1: people golf Divide on Saturday, or maybe as my happiest tomorrow.
Speaker 11: Well, things have got a lot worse in the last
Speaker 11: three years. Havn't that pull you showed at the style
Speaker 11: of your show. People are paying thousands of more on
Speaker 11: their mortgage, their electricity costs, their groceries. Things have got
Speaker 11: to change this country. What the Labor Party are offering
Speaker 11: is just more of the same. They've made no changes,
Speaker 11: they've learned no lessons, and they don't deserve to be
Speaker 11: re elected.
Speaker 1: All right, thank you lads, do appreciate it. We'll see
Speaker 1: Campaign Confidential as well as the outsiders and plenty more
Speaker 1: conversations with James Murray between now and then. Matt, Good
Speaker 1: luck to you and your supporters at the election. Just
Speaker 1: quickly before we go, remember the report from Channel seven
Speaker 1: who basically tried to find a way to blame Peter
Speaker 1: Dutton for his father's heart attack.
Speaker 13: Campaigns are pressure events for candidates like yourself, but their
Speaker 13: pressure events for families of candidates too. Do you worry
Speaker 13: your dad is not being helped and might even have
Speaker 13: been harmed by the fact that he's worried about you?
Speaker 1: This is the same independent journalist on a plane today.
Speaker 13: How Edition might well do a lot better, but if
Speaker 13: they don't, they're in for a severe beating, and that
Speaker 13: means they're probably likely now to be discussing significant changes
Speaker 13: in tactics. In a bit to breakthrough, you'd reckon. An
Speaker 13: advisor might say something like Peter you've got to show
Speaker 13: some anger, buddy, You've got to throw a crunch, You've
Speaker 13: got to be more aggressive. Then you can see other
Speaker 13: advisors going no, whatever you do, do that. We've spent
Speaker 13: years managing a softer Peter dut Can image. We'd spoil
Speaker 13: it in a heartbeat. Who knows what the right answer is.
Speaker 13: But with the last, the fourth and final debate coming up,
Speaker 13: there's a chance we're going to see what their decision is.
Speaker 1: We could see the.
Speaker 13: Inner mongrels for Peter Dunnet, or maybe we'll see a
Speaker 13: softer peterdut Either way, it's a real tactical moment and
Speaker 13: it'll be there in the fourth and final debate as
Speaker 13: the coalition works out what the hell they're going to
Speaker 13: do to try and get out of this hole. Seven
Speaker 13: will be hosted. Make sure you don't be said.
Speaker 1: I don't think in the three years that I've been
Speaker 1: talking about Anthony Abernezi or the three before that, where
Speaker 1: I have hit about as hard as anyone could possibly hit,
Speaker 1: I've ever referred to him as a mungrel. Yet I am,
Speaker 1: of course the nasty, evil, opinionated guy that was the
Speaker 1: independent journalist representing the people ahead of the six PM News,
Speaker 1: first blaming Peter Dutton for his father's heart attack and
Speaker 1: then referring to him having an inner mongrel. Okay more
Speaker 1: on a second on form on while we're in Western Australia,
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to a man who well sadly
Speaker 1: haven't been able to meet face to face, but I
Speaker 1: absolutely like you, No, that's not true. At the Bush
Speaker 1: Summit last week we had the chance to meet. But
Speaker 1: Tony Seabrook is the man. Now I'm trying to introduce
Speaker 1: the man who is behind the Keep the Sheep program
Speaker 1: that is pretty effective here in Western Australia when we
Speaker 1: were at Cotterslow Beach that you wouldn't think would have
Speaker 1: a particular investment in it. Lots of signs, lots of
Speaker 1: fire up and of course he's with the Pastoral US
Speaker 1: Association here in Western Australia, joining us from York, which
Speaker 1: is just a little bit in land. How are you, mate,
Speaker 1: and how you're feeling the campaign is going? Are you
Speaker 1: getting Paul by gosh?
Speaker 4: We're trolling over here, We really are.
Speaker 1: That's what I love. I mean, I'm seeing all sorts
Speaker 1: of effort and I have normally these sort of independent
Speaker 1: third party groups. They'll make a little bit of a noise,
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff on social media, but it feels
Speaker 1: like you're right in the arm wrest or. Give me
Speaker 1: an idea about how many people, how many signs, how
Speaker 1: much impact? Give me an idea.
Speaker 4: Well, the Keep the.
Speaker 12: Sheep campaign has been going for quite a while. They've
Speaker 12: been three major protests. We've had trucks, we've had farmers,
Speaker 12: we've had the whole royal community in Perth telling the
Speaker 12: world that what the government's doing is wrong. But what
Speaker 12: we can't seem to understand is we have a perfectly
Speaker 12: legal trade here, best in the world. It brings in
Speaker 12: export income for our country. It underpins teams of thousands
Speaker 12: of jobs over the a area of West Australia, and the.
Speaker 14: Government wants to shut it down. And they don't want
Speaker 14: to shut it down for any good reason. It's just
Speaker 14: to appeal to a few inner city voters in Melbourne
Speaker 14: and Sydney. They're throwing us under the bus in a
Speaker 14: most crass and callous way.
Speaker 1: Are you amazed to how a few questions the Prime
Speaker 1: Minister gets asked about this decision which is going to
Speaker 1: ruin families, is going to hurt communities. Yet even when
Speaker 1: he's in Western Australia, doesn't seem to get asked about it.
Speaker 14: Oh, Paul, there hiding. When they come over here, they hide,
Speaker 14: They won't come out and talk to us. Murray Watt
Speaker 14: was said over here to do a hatchet job. He
Speaker 14: would in front a meeting anywhere he knew what a
Speaker 14: building he was going to get, because the feeling over
Speaker 14: here is absolutely white hot. It doesn't matter whether you
Speaker 14: breed sheep or whether you're a shearer. You build stock crates,
Speaker 14: I sell tires, sell fuel, right insurance.
Speaker 4: This is going to hit everybody. And how on earth
Speaker 4: can they think this is going to help our nation.
Speaker 12: We are an industry that's in almost terminal decline now
Speaker 12: forty million sheep here on the nineties down to about
Speaker 12: seven million.
Speaker 4: Now, what they're doing, they've broken the.
Speaker 14: Heart of the sheep industry in West Australia just gradually
Speaker 14: incrementally they've builted us into the ground.
Speaker 4: And this is just shutting down the live sheep trade.
Speaker 14: It's been going on for quite a long time because
Speaker 14: they've made it very difficult for live exporters to live
Speaker 14: export and people are just they're giving up, they're walking away,
Speaker 14: the fences are coming out, the crops are going in
Speaker 14: in places where they used to be sheep. The damage
Speaker 14: is monumental and almost unrecoverable. And to what benefit, what
Speaker 14: benefit to anybody, just to appease a few inner city
Speaker 14: voters who have some ill informed views about what live
Speaker 14: export's all about.
Speaker 1: Well, and I've got an idea that basically sort of
Speaker 1: the left in this country wants a farm land, not
Speaker 1: for farming, but just places to put renewable energy. And
Speaker 1: that's going to be your contribution to Australia, slowly but
Speaker 1: surely renting or selling off your joint.
Speaker 14: Look, I grew up at a time when we're not
Speaker 14: hooked up to the grid. I know what blackouts are like.
Speaker 14: I know exactly what can happen. They're whole renewable energy thing.
Speaker 14: They don't want that in their backyard. They're quite happy
Speaker 14: to have it in someone else's backyard. But the Liberal
Speaker 14: Party with nuclear power, that is the way to go.
Speaker 14: And this whole renewable thing. If the Albanezi government gets elected,
Speaker 14: it won't work and probably at the end of the
Speaker 14: term would be obvious to everybody that's not working. But
Speaker 14: the risk that the public are taking today in voting
Speaker 14: for an Albanezi government with renewable power. I just cannot
Speaker 14: comprehend why people are so dumb and Paul, there's another
Speaker 14: thing too that's going on, and this gets back to
Speaker 14: the taxes that we as the industry pay you when
Speaker 14: we're profitable, the amount of free stuff. Everybody wants free stuff.
Speaker 14: And you were talking about the deficit a while ago.
Speaker 14: How come everything's become free and no one's sounding up
Speaker 14: and saying nothing is free. If you don't pay, someone
Speaker 14: else is going to have to pay. And that's the
Speaker 14: issue here with this little redon endless debt and all
Speaker 14: the free stuff that someone else has got to pay for.
Speaker 14: I'm a taxpayer, quite a lot of tax actually, because
Speaker 14: I work pretty damn art what I do, and so
Speaker 14: do most people I'm associated with.
Speaker 4: So we're taxpayers and they're giving us aiding.
Speaker 14: It's really incomprehensible that a government that says it's working
Speaker 14: for the benefit of Australia is doing this very viable,
Speaker 14: best in the world industry so much Harmer.
Speaker 1: Well, what a surprise. All the people who got everyone
Speaker 1: get surprised, as kids now expect it when it comes
Speaker 1: to being voters as well. Toney all the best, keepthshep
Speaker 1: dot com dot au all the best, mate, and put
Speaker 1: labor last if you care about the industry in Western Australia.
Speaker 1: All Right, quick break and we'll be back with the
Speaker 1: late debate see tomorrow. We've peented upon in the studio.