Speaker 1: I'll get a team mcraig, Anthony Harper, Patrick, James Bonillo.
Speaker 1: The name of the show is the You Project. Every
Speaker 1: second week, Young Patrick and I just saddle up. Usually
Speaker 1: young Tiff is Tiffin. Who's Tiffin? Sounds like some kind
Speaker 1: of stage show. Usually Tiff is here, she's not today,
Speaker 1: So it's just us two alpha males just fucking holding
Speaker 1: down the fort. But he reckons more alpha male?
Speaker 2: You or me, ah, neither of us. Fritz, that's true.
Speaker 3: I think it said he's nuts cut off? Can I
Speaker 3: just ask a question? How can I never do the opener?
Speaker 3: I know it's your show, and.
Speaker 4: Let's start again. Let's start again?
Speaker 1: Okay, yep, hey groovers, Welcome to the You Project. I'm
Speaker 1: joined by one of the people I most respect in
Speaker 1: all the world. In fact, I am humbled in his
Speaker 1: presence and in a lot of ways I wish I
Speaker 1: was him. Not only is he smarter, better looking, and
Speaker 1: more talented, he shares the same birthday with the Dali Lama,
Speaker 1: which goes a long way to explaining who he is. So,
Speaker 1: without further ado, welcome back to the You Project. Patrick Bonello,
Speaker 1: Hey haw good?
Speaker 2: Was that fuck?
Speaker 4: And?
Speaker 1: Hell?
Speaker 4: Now I know what you did. I'm quite terrified tell
Speaker 4: people I did not know that was coming. Everybody that
Speaker 4: wasn't me saying that? Wow? When did you do that?
Speaker 4: And how explain to people what that was?
Speaker 3: So I subscribed to a service called eleven Labs. It's
Speaker 3: an AI voice generator. I sampled just one minute of
Speaker 3: your voice from one of your podcasts. I uploaded it
Speaker 3: and then I profiled you. So I put middle aged
Speaker 3: Australian male, just a very brief descriptions, you know, deep voice,
Speaker 3: that sort of stuff, and it generated that so effectively.
Speaker 2: I could you could give me a.
Speaker 3: Sentence now and I could get you to say it
Speaker 3: back in AI.
Speaker 2: Something simple.
Speaker 1: That's all right. I've got a big crush on Patrick,
Speaker 1: right my type. I don't know that this is very
Speaker 1: good live, but anyway, here we go, Here we go. Yep,
Speaker 1: I've got a big crush on Patrick.
Speaker 2: Oh no, not as good? That is it?
Speaker 4: It's not bad?
Speaker 2: Drop it back, let me try again.
Speaker 1: I've got a big crush on Patrick. It's kind of
Speaker 1: it's good until it gets to your name.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So what you can do is you can keep uploading
Speaker 3: additional audio and then as it profiles your voice, then
Speaker 3: it'll be able to get it a lot better. Like,
Speaker 3: for example, I don't think you remember saying this earlier,
Speaker 3: but I'm sure you said this earlier.
Speaker 2: Craig.
Speaker 1: It just occurred to me that if all of our
Speaker 1: listeners sent Patrick five dollars each, I will match that
Speaker 1: with whatever we come up with.
Speaker 4: Fuck you, fuck you and your AI skills.
Speaker 3: So I might throw a few of these just randomly
Speaker 3: through the show, just when it you know, if a pause,
Speaker 3: I'll just throw something in.
Speaker 1: That is very funny and a little bit terrifying. I've
Speaker 1: never thought, I think it's I've seen that done to
Speaker 1: other people. I did not expect anyone to be doing
Speaker 1: that to me anytime soon. But thanks for introducing the
Speaker 1: world to that. Thanks for giving people that idea. Wow,
Speaker 1: how long did that take? I mean you're very tech savvy,
Speaker 1: but how long did that take for you to figure that? Like,
Speaker 1: you could literally do a whole podcast of me when
Speaker 1: I'm not even present, Well, you.
Speaker 3: Could do both of us and then just create it
Speaker 3: and put it together. It would take a little bit
Speaker 3: of work, but they are getting so much better. And
Speaker 3: an answer your question, probably having never used the software,
Speaker 3: never done anything with it before, I would say maybe
Speaker 3: three or four minutes.
Speaker 2: Once I found the clip and.
Speaker 3: Uploaded it, it profiled it with a short amount of time.
Speaker 3: I took the phrase, typed it up for the intro
Speaker 3: to the show, and then I played it through about
Speaker 3: four times and you can alter it, and then I've
Speaker 3: chose the one I thought sounded the best.
Speaker 1: Wow, so you could get some famous speech and get
Speaker 1: me to say that famous speech. So could you just
Speaker 1: upload the upload the dialogue and then is that how
Speaker 1: it works?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can type anything, so I can either type
Speaker 3: it in or I can just copy and paste, hit
Speaker 3: the generate speech button, and off it goes.
Speaker 1: Now some famous there's some famous Star Wars quote, like
Speaker 1: in a Galaxy Far far whatever. This is probably not
Speaker 1: something we should do in the middle of recording a podcast. Everyone,
Speaker 1: but fuck it. Stand by, Let's see what happens. Is
Speaker 1: there some wrong in this one? The force is strong
Speaker 1: in this one.
Speaker 2: There you go, Well, it kind of sounds funny you're
Speaker 2: saying that because I know you.
Speaker 1: It doesn't give it any inflection, does it? Like, there's
Speaker 1: no emotion.
Speaker 4: It's very it's very flat.
Speaker 1: The force is strong in this one.
Speaker 2: That's a little bit better.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what did you do then like what?
Speaker 3: Yep, there's more variable, so you can either make it
Speaker 3: more stable or more variable. So there's there's three controls.
Speaker 3: There's similarity, stability, and then style exaggeration Yeah yeah, wow wow,
Speaker 3: and then you can use other languages as well.
Speaker 1: Force is strong in this one.
Speaker 2: It doesn't sound too bad, does it.
Speaker 4: That's not too bad. It's not too bad. Interesting, you
Speaker 4: are interesting, you are all right?
Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure we'll jump in and out of fake
Speaker 1: me through the show. I can't wait to see how
Speaker 1: you're going to fucking, you know, destroy me as we
Speaker 1: move on.
Speaker 4: What are we talking about in today's episode?
Speaker 1: If Patrick does typ one of my favorite porn films.
Speaker 3: My next big gadget I reckon And I've been looking
Speaker 3: at these quite closely. Ironically, they're glasses, so I guess
Speaker 3: you would be. But smart glasses. Now, there are two
Speaker 3: different types of smart glasses when we think about them.
Speaker 3: One is where we talked and we've talked about the
Speaker 3: augmented reality ones where it's super composes a picture. They're
Speaker 3: not quite there yet, but aahweh has released a new
Speaker 3: version of what they call their eyewear two and what
Speaker 3: I like about it is you can wear the glasses
Speaker 3: and you can use them just every day. They last
Speaker 3: about eleven hours on charge, which is pretty a long time.
Speaker 3: You don't need to have earphones plugged in, so you
Speaker 3: can use them as your virtual assistance, so you could,
Speaker 3: you know, call somebody, use them as a hands free
Speaker 3: device you But what I really like about the Huawei
Speaker 3: Ones is they've come up with a posture kind of assistance.
Speaker 3: And what it does is will actually look at your
Speaker 3: posture or work out whether you're slouching and then remind you.
Speaker 3: So it will monitor so it actually is able to
Speaker 3: check on your posture. And it's got a lot of
Speaker 3: features built into it, so you know you they're lightweight,
Speaker 3: they're comfortable, and you can tap it to play music,
Speaker 3: you can make calls.
Speaker 1: And you missed out a chunk of info like you
Speaker 1: just said glasses, So it's not glasses. Yeah, there's glasses,
Speaker 1: but is it a phone?
Speaker 4: What is it?
Speaker 3: It pairs to your phone, So if you imagine the
Speaker 3: glasses you've got on now, you just touch the arm
Speaker 3: of the glasses to activate it, and you could say,
Speaker 3: be walking and it would be giving you directions turn
Speaker 3: left at the next street.
Speaker 2: That sort of stuff.
Speaker 3: So anything that your phone can do, you can be
Speaker 3: able to connect your glasses to as your smart assistant.
Speaker 3: So take phone calls, make phone calls, all that sort
Speaker 3: of stuff, and just listen to me music. One of
Speaker 3: the things I like about this is you know, quite
Speaker 3: often you see people with earbuds and you wonder how
Speaker 3: dangerous that is because they can't hit traffic and it's
Speaker 3: easy to kind of be lost in your own world.
Speaker 3: The good thing is that this because they're not plugged
Speaker 3: into your ear and they conduct through the top of
Speaker 3: your ear. It means that if the doorbell goes, or
Speaker 3: if you're walking down the street, you can still hear
Speaker 3: things around you.
Speaker 2: So I kind of like that feature as well.
Speaker 1: Isn't Huawei the brand that got booted out of Australia
Speaker 1: and the US their phones?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was there, Well, not the phones. You can
Speaker 3: still buy Wa Hwei phones but you can't. It was
Speaker 3: more the high end stuff they were using for telecommunications.
Speaker 3: So they had a big contract in Australia to provide
Speaker 3: telecommunication technology and both Australia and in China. The big
Speaker 3: concern is not so much well, I mean, there was
Speaker 3: some controversy around Huawei, but it was more that you
Speaker 3: can't guarantee in China that a large company isn't getting
Speaker 3: nudged and looked at by Beijing. That's the problem with
Speaker 3: the communist government is and that's the big concern. Soanies
Speaker 3: like Dji, the drone manufacturer, they've pulled out all drones
Speaker 3: from the US high end drone markets, so where they're
Speaker 3: using them in say law enforcement or fires and things
Speaker 3: like that, and they're doing the same in Australia as well,
Speaker 3: So they're saying they don't want the potential for China
Speaker 3: to be monitoring what these drones are doing.
Speaker 2: Effectively, it's surveillance.
Speaker 3: There's no suggestion And Dji I kind of feel for
Speaker 3: those companies because if they're doing the right thing and
Speaker 3: they're saying, well, we're not actively monitoring you, but there's
Speaker 3: no way to.
Speaker 2: Really believe it.
Speaker 3: And the suggestion is that, well, if Beijing walks up
Speaker 3: to the front door, and I mean that in general terms,
Speaker 3: someone representing the government knocks on the door and sees,
Speaker 3: we want all your records, well, you know, do they
Speaker 3: have any ability to be able to say no?
Speaker 2: And that's the question, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just googled it because I didn't believe you, but
Speaker 1: you are right. Australia has been Huawei Technology Co. From
Speaker 1: supplying equipment for Australian five G mobile. Why would I
Speaker 1: ever fucking doubt you. That's why have you Australian five
Speaker 1: G mobile network, citing national security risks.
Speaker 4: But they have not banned the phones.
Speaker 2: Correct, yep, okay, okay, yeah.
Speaker 4: Wow, Well there you go. But apparently their phones are great.
Speaker 4: They're high end phones are meant to be great.
Speaker 2: They're really good.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I've got a friend that was just we were comparing photos.
Speaker 3: I was going to chat about this on the show
Speaker 3: at some point. I've got some gorgeous photos and I
Speaker 3: think I sent you a couple of the aurora, the.
Speaker 2: Southern Aurora that we had last weekend.
Speaker 3: I was just lucky to be at the right place
Speaker 3: at the right time and got some gorgeous photographs and
Speaker 3: just that beautiful red and green glow.
Speaker 2: Fritzie and I went out there. He jumped in the
Speaker 2: car with me.
Speaker 3: We drove out about I don't know five minutes away,
Speaker 3: were in total darkness, and it was gorgeous.
Speaker 2: It was great. Got some really nice photos.
Speaker 3: But for a lot of people who may have been
Speaker 3: out there and wondered why they weren't seeing in real
Speaker 3: life what our phones were actually showing when we took photos.
Speaker 3: So the photos I sen chew and for all of
Speaker 3: us have been on social media and had a look
Speaker 3: on all those photos.
Speaker 2: You may say, well.
Speaker 3: They didn't look anything like that, But when I took
Speaker 3: the photo, it looked amazing. And that was the case
Speaker 3: for me as well, and it was interesting. I did
Speaker 3: a bit of research and there are a number of
Speaker 3: reasons why, and one of them, of course, is that
Speaker 3: they take an extended exposure. In my case, my phone
Speaker 3: took a six second exposure to get the image. But
Speaker 3: the other thing is that the cones inside our eye,
Speaker 3: the light receptors in our eye, when it gets really dark,
Speaker 3: they effectively switch over from one sensor to another sensor,
Speaker 3: and one of them is about to get as much
Speaker 3: information and to pull in as much light, so it
Speaker 3: kind of drops the use of color and goes to
Speaker 3: almost black and white. So if you're stumbling around at
Speaker 3: night and you've only got a faint glow in your room,
Speaker 3: more than likely you will you will see in much
Speaker 3: more muted tones. So if you're standing out looking out
Speaker 3: at what we saw as the aurora. Effectively, what you're
Speaker 3: looking at is something that's much more muted because you're
Speaker 3: just not getting enough light to the receptors in the
Speaker 3: back of your eye as well. So that's the reason
Speaker 3: why most people's phones showed some really awesome pictures, but
Speaker 3: you weren't seeing the aurora look anywhere near in the
Speaker 3: quality that your phone was taking pictures of.
Speaker 4: I'm looking at that picture that you sent me right now.
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if I might I don't know if I'll
Speaker 1: be able to use that in the promo for the show,
Speaker 1: But it does look it looks it literally looks like
Speaker 1: something made up. It looks like something sci fi because
Speaker 1: there's there's just this blend that starts at the top
Speaker 1: being almost black through to this burgundy indigo color, goes
Speaker 1: into this light green dark green, and then but down
Speaker 1: through the middle of that, it's almost like there's shards
Speaker 1: of light and it looks it looks like a computer
Speaker 1: generated thing. Doesn't look like a photo at all. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm feeling dumb at the moment. Can you explain that
Speaker 1: to me? Like I was a three year old? I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: could you stop playing fake me. People are not going
Speaker 1: to go what's real? No, what's real and fake me?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's although what you've said it seems kind of
Speaker 2: on par don't you reckon?
Speaker 4: Well, I know what it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I am dumb though, but thanks thanks for making me.
Speaker 1: Of course you were right. I'm always wrong and you
Speaker 1: are one hundred percent right all the time.
Speaker 4: Huh oh god. How many of those do you have?
Speaker 1: Ah?
Speaker 2: There a couple more?
Speaker 4: All right? Now?
Speaker 1: Before we go on with your little kind of little
Speaker 1: that isn't it? Don't you hate it when people say
Speaker 1: your little thing? Last week you and I.
Speaker 3: Had No one's ever said that, Tommy greg Yeah, you're
Speaker 3: right right, John Holmes.
Speaker 1: Everyone's going to be googling that now. A couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago, last time we were together, we had a bet.
Speaker 1: I can't even remember what the bet was about, but
Speaker 1: that was something to do with something that Tiff would know.
Speaker 3: Yes, it was a picture of Richard Nixon. I sent
Speaker 3: you a picture of Richard Nixon. You forwarded that picture
Speaker 3: to Tiff and I said, of course Tiff will know
Speaker 3: who that is, and you said, not a chance. It
Speaker 3: started to ten dollar bet, and then you doubled it.
Speaker 3: To twenty dollars and I burned and crashed and burned.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you did crash and burn. And then this week
Speaker 1: I went outside and just under my gate was an
Speaker 1: Australia Post parcel and it was like weird. It was
Speaker 1: shaped like a thick, fat, long sausage roll and I
Speaker 1: picked it up and it felt like a very thick
Speaker 1: fat sausage roll and it was kind.
Speaker 2: Of felt like a John Holmes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 4: Limp and heavy, speaking of John Holmes.
Speaker 1: And I opened it and it said from Bland, from
Speaker 1: the Tooth Fairy. And I'd forgotten all about our bet.
Speaker 1: In fact, I didn't know until today when Melissa enlightened
Speaker 1: me because she'd listened to the show. And I said,
Speaker 1: Patrick sent me like a fucking million five cent pieces.
Speaker 4: And I got, I got this this. Well, let's see,
Speaker 4: you sent me apparently twenty dollars worth, and there's twenty
Speaker 4: and that so twenty times twenty so four hundred and
Speaker 4: five cent pieces.
Speaker 2: I guess was it actually healers?
Speaker 4: Was it actually twenty bucks?
Speaker 2: Because it was twenty bucks and it cost me.
Speaker 3: What you'll really enjoy is it cost me eleven bucks
Speaker 3: to send it to you.
Speaker 1: That's what I said to her, it must have cost
Speaker 1: nearly that much to send it because.
Speaker 4: It weighed a lot.
Speaker 2: It did one point.
Speaker 1: And also it's been brought to my attention by you
Speaker 1: that you're actually breaking the law and doing that.
Speaker 3: So I went to the bank, called the bank first,
Speaker 3: our local little community branch, and said if you got
Speaker 3: twenty bucks in five cent pieces, and they kind of
Speaker 3: umed an out for a little bit and said, yeah, sure,
Speaker 3: come in and grab them. So I went in there
Speaker 3: and they gave them to me in all these cute
Speaker 3: little neat bags, and I've got my post pack and
Speaker 3: I'm just opening up.
Speaker 2: The bags, tipping them in, open up the bag, tipping in.
Speaker 3: And then I went to the post office and the
Speaker 3: girls at the post office were pissing themselves laughing when
Speaker 3: I told them what it was for. And then after
Speaker 3: i'd sent it to you, of course, I started telling
Speaker 3: lots of people what i'd done, because you know, I'm
Speaker 3: trying to get a bit of a pat on the
Speaker 3: back for myself. And someone said to me, you know
Speaker 3: that's illegal. I said, what because the post office accepted it,
Speaker 3: and so I did.
Speaker 2: A good search and yeah, it's illegal.
Speaker 3: To send any sort of cash via mail delivery service.
Speaker 4: Who would have thought, I wonder why no idea?
Speaker 1: I guess because they don't want that to be a
Speaker 1: common practice because if if the bad guys think that
Speaker 1: there's money floating around in the mail, then there are Yeah,
Speaker 1: it kind of makes sense, but I don't see why
Speaker 1: you should get penalized if you're if you're the one
Speaker 1: pinching money, but if you're the one putting money, and
Speaker 1: I don't think you should I get penalized.
Speaker 4: Where we going next? Obi? Wan? Can I be?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 3: Look, I guess I was really interested in a couple
Speaker 3: of health related stories talking about AI because Google has
Speaker 3: got its AI interface called Gemini, and what they're saying
Speaker 3: is it's going to really help blind people, so people
Speaker 3: who are vision impaired.
Speaker 2: And there's two little things that I thought was really cool.
Speaker 3: It's called talkback and it's using generative AI, and what
Speaker 3: it means is that it will be able to run offline. Okay,
Speaker 3: So one of the biggest issues with AI at the
Speaker 3: moment is that it's a giant service somewhere, and there's
Speaker 3: a lot of controversy over how much you know that
Speaker 3: data generating costs in terms of power and is there
Speaker 3: a real impact. But this language model is actually designed
Speaker 3: for people with low vision, and it creates descriptions of
Speaker 3: objects for blind users, but it runs totally off the
Speaker 3: cloud and on the device itself, so they would be
Speaker 3: able to refer back to articles of clothing. They can say, well,
Speaker 3: this is a close up of a T shirt and
Speaker 3: so it.
Speaker 1: Will but people are blind, what do you mean they
Speaker 1: can say this is a close up.
Speaker 4: Well, because you would use so it's describing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it describes, it describes it's seen, so right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: And it can get really really quite specific. It's not
Speaker 3: just this is address, but this is a floral dress
Speaker 3: and it's green and red and it has fringes and
Speaker 3: that sort of stuff. And they're doing the training of
Speaker 3: the AI with quite a fair.
Speaker 2: Bit of my neuche.
Speaker 3: So if you're going shopping and your vision impaired, this
Speaker 3: could be really really useful, even just matching clothing colors
Speaker 3: and that sort of thing. And I guess the other
Speaker 3: thing I love about it is it makes people a
Speaker 3: lot more independent, so there are less inhibitions because it
Speaker 3: is harder for people to shop, and we take it
Speaker 3: for granted. I mean, you work so hard to look
Speaker 3: so uncoordinated, says he who's wearing a rainbow colored and
Speaker 3: a black tea.
Speaker 1: Sir, hey, fuck you, Brad Pitt, just fuck now, talk
Speaker 1: about the clock calling the kettle black. Mister Cardigan wearing
Speaker 1: fucking beret wearer.
Speaker 2: I'm not wearing a beret or a cardigan today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just today. You're wearing an ABC logo on
Speaker 1: a T shirt.
Speaker 3: That's because I started doing Actually no, it's a Pride
Speaker 3: logo because today's idahol a day. But also today I
Speaker 3: started doing a regular segment on ABC Regional Radio.
Speaker 1: Can I tell you that I have a fan I
Speaker 1: won't say his name, but I have a fan on
Speaker 1: my IG who's very very keen to.
Speaker 4: Catch up with me, sending me nice messages.
Speaker 2: That's nice.
Speaker 1: He's a bit of a sweetheart too, he's nice.
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure I know.
Speaker 3: No friendship. I'm thinking friendship that you doesn't have to go.
Speaker 3: I mean, he knows it doesn't.
Speaker 4: Is requesting a bit more than friendship, But that's all right.
Speaker 2: Personally, training.
Speaker 4: There's something like that. That's yeah, yeah, that's I might
Speaker 4: pour it into you. Thanks for that, friends though, and
Speaker 4: go on.
Speaker 3: No, So I was just saying how exciting this is
Speaker 3: and using things like AI offline to be able to
Speaker 3: assist people who are vision impaired. And the other thing
Speaker 3: that relates to this, there's a Seattle startup at the
Speaker 3: moment and they've got this really really really cool gadget
Speaker 3: called one court. So if you imagine you're sitting down
Speaker 3: at a sporting game, or you're watching a sporting game tennis,
Speaker 3: you know, grid iron or whatever it happens to be,
Speaker 3: and you lay your hands on the screen if your
Speaker 3: vision impaired, and it gives you haptic feedback of what's
Speaker 3: actually happening on the court. So if you're playing tennis,
Speaker 3: I could you could feel it and the vibrations match
Speaker 3: what's being played out on the court.
Speaker 4: Oh wow wow, yeah, yeah, you're watching good. What if
Speaker 4: you're watching a porno? Does it do the same?
Speaker 2: You had to go there, didn't you? No?
Speaker 4: I didn't. I choose to. You know, by the way,
Speaker 4: everyone Patrick, that was he? That was fake me? That
Speaker 4: wasn't real?
Speaker 2: MAE say that, Yeah that was Patrick.
Speaker 4: So now I can get you in trouble just quickly
Speaker 4: before we move on.
Speaker 1: You know what I like about those the glasses that
Speaker 1: essentially describe what's happening in front of people. Think about
Speaker 1: the potential applications for safety, you know, crossing the road,
Speaker 1: holes in the footpath, you know, obstacles like that's a
Speaker 1: pretty cool application as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a nice little seguay because there's a really
Speaker 3: great story about a guy in the United States who.
Speaker 1: Would just point out to put everyone how much you
Speaker 1: just fobbed me off?
Speaker 4: Then did I You went?
Speaker 3: You wentblished that, she went, Yeah, it was my topic.
Speaker 2: I was telling you how exciting it is.
Speaker 1: You were talking about choosing fucking clothes. No, like, oh,
Speaker 1: here's a close up of a T shirt? What about
Speaker 1: saving someone's life? Your dickhead.
Speaker 2: But you gave me the perfect segue to the next segment.
Speaker 2: It's a really keep.
Speaker 4: Going, say keep going segway. Boy.
Speaker 3: So this, this guy in the United States got a
Speaker 3: black T shirt with just a stop sign on the
Speaker 3: front of it and then just stood by the side
Speaker 3: of the road and autonomous cars was stopping because they
Speaker 3: thought he was a stop sign.
Speaker 4: That's great, isn't it.
Speaker 2: I near'd like it.
Speaker 4: That's but also, I mean, I wonder if he could
Speaker 4: get charged with anything.
Speaker 3: Right years, I don't know, so this guy's his name's
Speaker 3: Jason Carr is from Arizona.
Speaker 2: And look, I think he was doing it to prove
Speaker 2: a point.
Speaker 3: So Waimo is the company that has robotaxis and they're
Speaker 3: running tests at the moment. So initially he just stood
Speaker 3: at the edge of the road, and yeah, the car
Speaker 3: came to a complete stop, and then it eventually resumed
Speaker 3: driving once he walked away.
Speaker 2: Or hid the T shirt. But look, he said that
Speaker 2: it was something that he was doing.
Speaker 3: It was a bit of a publicity stunt, I guess,
Speaker 3: or you know, to kind of to be able to
Speaker 3: emphasize a point that these self driving vehicles still have
Speaker 3: a long way to go to differentiate between a sign
Speaker 3: on a stick by the side road and an intersect
Speaker 3: and just someone standing in a T shirt. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean my first reaction was to have a bit
Speaker 3: of a chuckle as well. But it does show, you know,
Speaker 3: the risks of how an autonomous system like that and
Speaker 3: a vehicle is a major heavy vehicle, you know, particularly
Speaker 3: if it's an electric powered vehicle. They're even heavier, aren't they.
Speaker 3: You can you can fool them, and there was all
Speaker 3: the controversy a few years ago, well not that long ago, actually,
Speaker 3: over whether or not the totally autonomous driving of the
Speaker 3: Tesla's was able to pick up a child and differentiate
Speaker 3: between a child walking across the road, and so there
Speaker 3: was again a little bit of controversy around that. At
Speaker 3: the end of the day, we want to make sure
Speaker 3: we've got driver safety. But the current driver safety that's
Speaker 3: built into a lot of vehicles is phenomenal. I know
Speaker 3: I'm always crying about this, but it is good.
Speaker 2: It's getting better.
Speaker 3: It means that people are less likely to fall asleep
Speaker 3: at the will because their car will notify them if
Speaker 3: they not off or if they drift out of their lane,
Speaker 3: and that's got to be good.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: One of the challenges I think though, is that some
Speaker 1: of the cars are so high tech.
Speaker 4: Now. I love cars, I love motorbikes.
Speaker 1: I watch reviews all the time, as you know, which
Speaker 1: is ironic because I drive a fucking old Suzuki Swift.
Speaker 1: But you know, like I haven't had a nice car
Speaker 1: for years because I kind of went through a phase.
Speaker 1: But I still love watching reviews, and I've been watching
Speaker 1: lots of reviews lately on new fancy cars, electric cars,
Speaker 1: and I watched this guy testing a car called the
Speaker 1: Tank five hundred, which is essentially the size of a
Speaker 1: land Cruiser.
Speaker 4: It's Chinese.
Speaker 1: It looks like a two hundred thousand dollars car at
Speaker 1: seventy grand, give or take, except one of the problems.
Speaker 1: And he jumps in and he's talking, and he takes
Speaker 1: off and he's been driving for one hundred meters and
Speaker 1: the car tells him, you're tired, pull over and have
Speaker 1: a rest.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: It keeps telling him because it's got all of these
Speaker 1: senses that it can allegedly sense fatigue or tiredness or
Speaker 1: however it does. And so every two hundred meters that
Speaker 1: was telling him to pull over because he was tired,
Speaker 1: and he just literally jumped in and started driving. So
Speaker 1: they're sorting out the kinks. But you know, I wonder,
Speaker 1: like I kind of love the fact that I have
Speaker 1: a five year old car that's kind of basic.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: It's like there's I don't need to be a buddy
Speaker 1: tech journeius to be able to get in it and
Speaker 1: operate it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Look, I.
Speaker 3: Love the more safety you have in a car, but
Speaker 3: I still love to drive a manual every now and again.
Speaker 3: I love, you know, stick shift it's nice to go
Speaker 3: through the gears and feel the.
Speaker 2: Car and know when to change.
Speaker 3: And as you know, you've driven sticks many times on
Speaker 3: the power of the vehicle. You remember the term powerband. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and I love that. I love the people of our
Speaker 3: generation understand what that means. And the other thing is
Speaker 3: I've taught a lot of people to drive in my
Speaker 3: Nissan on this NXR coop. And the good thing about
Speaker 3: teaching a young person how to drive and a manual
Speaker 3: is they have a lot more respect for how an
Speaker 3: engine works, because you know that when you go from
Speaker 3: first gear to second gear to third gear, you can
Speaker 3: feel and hear how your engine is being taxed and
Speaker 3: how much effort the engine is going through and the car.
Speaker 3: I like that, And I'm not a petrol head by
Speaker 3: a long shot, but I still love the feeling. And
Speaker 3: a friend of mine she had to look for so
Speaker 3: many different models before she was even able to purchase
Speaker 3: a manual car. I think the WRX is one of
Speaker 3: the few cars on the road that still is a manual.
Speaker 2: It's very, very hard to buy a manual.
Speaker 1: View. Yeah, mine's manual. Mine's five speed. It's a little
Speaker 1: one point four turbo, little Suzuki sport.
Speaker 4: It's great, It's great.
Speaker 1: Here's something that caught my eye. I don't know why
Speaker 1: researchers build AI driven sarcasm detector.
Speaker 2: Oh I.
Speaker 4: Was that built for me?
Speaker 3: It feels like it doesn't it It really really really
Speaker 3: does that. There is a seriousness behind this because being
Speaker 3: able to detect sarcasm.
Speaker 2: I know we call it.
Speaker 3: The lowest form of whip, but I believe also it
Speaker 3: shows intelligence. Potentially maybe, but evidently knowing sarcasm means your
Speaker 3: interaction with people is a lot more natural. So what
Speaker 3: it means, So this is some researchers who have basically
Speaker 3: looked at sarcasm as a way to make the AI
Speaker 3: model understand more about how language works. And sarcasm can
Speaker 3: be hard to detect even if you're just an average person.
Speaker 3: But if you're trying to train an AI model to
Speaker 3: be more clever to understand how people work, the sarcasm
Speaker 3: director detect certainly has a lot of benefits.
Speaker 2: So I kind of like it that it's an interesting.
Speaker 3: Idea, and then when you start to dig down a
Speaker 3: little bit deeper, it makes a lot of sense. Because
Speaker 3: we have a lot of nuances in communication and in
Speaker 3: our conversation. I mean, look at my shows when we
Speaker 3: get let's face it.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's why we have people who love it
Speaker 4: and people who hate it. Speaking of sarcasm.
Speaker 1: This afternoon, I had a meeting with my senior academic supervisor, Chris,
Speaker 1: and my other supervisor, Lucy, and another guy called Campbell
Speaker 1: who helps with analytics and data and shout out to Campbell,
Speaker 1: and and anyway, we're all on this call and we're
Speaker 1: trying to figure out we're talking about this, you know,
Speaker 1: looking at I won't bore everyone, but we're looking at
Speaker 1: different variables that we could correlate with what too, Sorry, anyway,
Speaker 1: we're thinking we're talking about different things that we could
Speaker 1: correlate with or explore, being a relationship between meta accuracy
Speaker 1: and so meta accuracy and age meta accuracy and income
Speaker 1: metaaccuracy and all these different things. And I said, like,
Speaker 1: as you know, Sarka as a maner joke, I go,
Speaker 1: what about meta accuracy and star scigns and like every
Speaker 1: like maybe virgos are really fucking good at it, right,
Speaker 1: or capricorns maybe they can just you know, they're great
Speaker 1: at this. And all three of them just looked at
Speaker 1: me like I was a complete fuck with and Chris,
Speaker 1: my senior supervisor, didn't even respond and he just kept
Speaker 1: he just kept talking, Oh and ah, there it is,
Speaker 1: and that's probably why I shouldn't be in this environment anyway,
Speaker 1: keep going, I'm really getting bored.
Speaker 3: No, oh, I didn't pick up and that I said
Speaker 3: no instead of now, oh, there you go, keep going.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was it. That was just the sarcasm thing.
Speaker 2: I thought it was great.
Speaker 3: Do you Another little AI story that I had to
Speaker 3: kind of throw in here is how people are using
Speaker 3: AI now for insurance fraud.
Speaker 2: Did you see that? It came up a little while ago.
Speaker 2: So what they're.
Speaker 3: Doing, yeah, because when you put in an accident claim,
Speaker 3: you show your vehicle and the damage.
Speaker 2: And thankfully I.
Speaker 3: Haven't had too many accidents, but I did head a
Speaker 3: kangaroo in my new car after they had it three
Speaker 3: months and wow, yeah it was a really messy hit.
Speaker 3: And I look it was already dead on the road,
Speaker 3: because that would have made me even more distressed if
Speaker 3: it had been alive and I was responsible for killing it.
Speaker 2: But that's it.
Speaker 3: Yet took out a big chunk of the front of
Speaker 3: my car. But what people are doing is they're actually
Speaker 3: faking claims by putting a picture of their car into
Speaker 3: AI and say, put a DNT in the front right
Speaker 3: fender and.
Speaker 2: Then submitting it.
Speaker 3: Really, so insurance companies are now and this was a
Speaker 3: study in the UK done by Alliance, and they're saying
Speaker 3: that what they're having to do is now really look
Speaker 3: closely at accidents because they may be what they call
Speaker 3: shallow fakes. So we've heard of deep fakes. This is
Speaker 3: a shallow fake. So it's yeah, it's not always convincing.
Speaker 3: And and look, some of them can be close. But
Speaker 3: it wouldn't even have occurred to me to do something
Speaker 3: like this, you know. It's funny some people just think
Speaker 3: that way. So yeah, that was an interesting one.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that's going to happen. Stuff like that's
Speaker 1: going to happen more and more, isn't it. How do
Speaker 1: we use this technology to shaft people, to embezzle, to
Speaker 1: you know, create some kind of unfair advantage you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's gonna it's not going away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's that's a thing now.
Speaker 3: Crago yep, And I look, there were there's been a
Speaker 3: twenty nine percent increase in fraud reported, you know, according
Speaker 3: to this particular report by Alliance and and so it's
Speaker 3: happening a lot more. And they talked about a van
Speaker 3: and they showed a picture of this van free Ai
Speaker 3: and post Ai and the person have created a dint
Speaker 3: in the in the side of the car.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's it's a thing. Are we giving people
Speaker 2: bad bad ideas? Though?
Speaker 4: I think the ideas were already out there?
Speaker 2: Okay, good?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to know why Pizza Hut got fined
Speaker 1: two and a half million bucks.
Speaker 3: I know the I kind of feel that this is
Speaker 3: a very important message that the you know that the
Speaker 3: authorities are dishing out to companies like this, Oh, dishing
Speaker 3: out like a pizza.
Speaker 4: No pun intended when you said that, I thought of that.
Speaker 2: Well, the thing is, can you get spam on a pizza?
Speaker 4: Oh? Tish book?
Speaker 2: It's getting, isn't it.
Speaker 1: I don't think you want like our our older folk,
Speaker 1: our older listeners know what spam is, but probably our
Speaker 1: forty and under brigade they wouldn't know what spam is.
Speaker 3: Patrick, Yeah, so spam in a can that was just
Speaker 3: I don't know what the meat. Well, I don't think
Speaker 3: anybody knows what's inside spam. They put it in a
Speaker 3: can and you can make a boot out of it.
Speaker 4: Sp I think let's just say it was ham.
Speaker 2: Ishh Yeah, any part.
Speaker 4: In that it was in the neighborhood of ham.
Speaker 2: I think snouts and assholes is probably.
Speaker 1: You know, but I think I think I'll tell you
Speaker 1: what it was. It was like a canful of salt.
Speaker 1: It was a saltier shit you've ever tasted. They probably
Speaker 1: put all that salt in there to kill.
Speaker 3: The taste, yeah, and also keep it going. Didn't they
Speaker 3: use it during Wasn't it developed for World War II
Speaker 3: or something?
Speaker 2: I thought I think it was troops.
Speaker 4: I think like fair bit of fat, fair bit of salt.
Speaker 1: Probably if you're in the middle of nowhere and trying
Speaker 1: to stay alive.
Speaker 4: Who knows, I mean, anything would taste pretty good.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So in Australia, the Communications and Media Authority, the ACMA,
Speaker 3: they investigate complaints when people receive unsolicited emails or texts
Speaker 3: and you don't have an ability to be able to
Speaker 3: opt out. So it's laura in Australia. If you get
Speaker 3: a bulk email sent to you or a bulk ten
Speaker 3: and you try to opt out and you can't, then
Speaker 3: the company's doing.
Speaker 2: That is at fault.
Speaker 3: And evidently in this particular instance, it was reported that
Speaker 3: ten million spam marketing text and emails were sent out
Speaker 3: in four months time, and people were trying to unsubscribe
Speaker 3: to stop receiving them and they couldn't so and then
Speaker 3: another four point three million marketing messages was sent out
Speaker 3: without the option to unsubscribe. So it sends a really
Speaker 3: clear message that you know, country, countries, companies know these laws.
Speaker 2: These laws have been around for a long time now.
Speaker 3: So I just thought it would be an interesting one
Speaker 3: to mention that, you know, if you're receiving unsolicited emails
Speaker 3: and you want to dub somebody in for doing it, gee,
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2: The find's pretty big, can.
Speaker 1: I'd tell you something in the same ballpark. So I'm
Speaker 1: not going to say what company. But I had this
Speaker 1: kind of what do you call the computer protectiony stuff?
Speaker 4: What do you call that?
Speaker 2: Any virus?
Speaker 4: Antivirus? Thank you Patrick.
Speaker 1: So I had that installed I won't say what company,
Speaker 1: and it like every eight minutes it would pop up
Speaker 1: with whatever, right, and then it ran out and I
Speaker 1: decided to go with something else and this one that
Speaker 1: ran out to try to get that out of my
Speaker 1: fucking computer. It was like it was a virus, like
Speaker 1: it would not go away. I tried to uninstall it,
Speaker 1: or I did what I thought uninstall it. I followed
Speaker 1: the YouTube video, I uninstalled it, and then it was
Speaker 1: back and it kept going, you're expired. You need to
Speaker 1: do this, you need to do that.
Speaker 4: If you don't do this, like the world's going to
Speaker 4: blow up and we're going to you know.
Speaker 1: It's like, in the end, it was more of a
Speaker 1: problem than the fucking viruses I was trying to protect
Speaker 1: myself from.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so a lot of laptop and computer companies do
Speaker 3: deals with these antivirus companies, starting with Mac.
Speaker 2: I think probably is the one you're thinking of a
Speaker 2: fee McAfee. Sorry, I just had something caught in my throat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so.
Speaker 3: It's not unusual to have the anti virus installed, but
Speaker 3: it's only a limited trial for say, thirty thirty days,
Speaker 3: and it is really painful trying to get rid of it,
Speaker 3: and it is I'm really impressed that you did a
Speaker 3: YouTube and jumped on there and tried.
Speaker 2: To get rid of it yourself, Craigi. I thought that
Speaker 2: was very impressive.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought I'd done it, and then about twenty
Speaker 4: minutes later, it was back, and then I had to
Speaker 4: get the actual smart person in the organization to come
Speaker 4: over and do it. Liza.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she came over and did it in thirteen seconds
Speaker 1: and looked at me quizzically.
Speaker 2: And she uses a Mac. Oh are you on a
Speaker 2: Mac as well?
Speaker 4: I'm not on a Mac, so it wasn't that brand,
Speaker 4: you said, But I don't want to say it on
Speaker 4: air because I feel like they might hijack me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough.
Speaker 3: It's interesting while you're talking about that at the moment,
Speaker 3: Dell has put out a warning just recently in the
Speaker 3: last few days because they had a data breach and
Speaker 3: they believe forty nine million customers may have had information
Speaker 3: and that that's now gone onto the dark web, and
Speaker 3: that's potentially Yeah, this could be serious for a lot
Speaker 3: of people.
Speaker 4: Nine million. I mean, how does.
Speaker 1: How did they ever compensate for that? Because it's like
Speaker 1: it's almost unknowable, like the potential and I'm sure the
Speaker 1: vast majority of people would be fine, but I mean,
Speaker 1: even if it was one percent of forty nine million,
Speaker 1: that's four hundred and ninety thousand people. That's half a
Speaker 1: million people, give or take. I mean, yeah, that's that's
Speaker 1: the scary thing. Now when other when people that don't
Speaker 1: have your best interests at heart have got access to
Speaker 1: all your shit, that makes me nervous.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and look, one of the things they're saying is
Speaker 3: that it could be as much as the name of
Speaker 3: the buyer, the company named the address. So there's quite
Speaker 3: a few markers that are very specific to the individual customer,
Speaker 3: and that's one of the problems. And you know, things
Speaker 3: like your name and your physical address. That sort of
Speaker 3: stuff is really, you know, something that's quite problematic. But
Speaker 3: one of the things that you should do is go
Speaker 3: to the website of the vendor, if it happens to
Speaker 3: be in this case, Dell, and follow their instructions and suggestions.
Speaker 3: But the first thing you need to do is go
Speaker 3: and change your password. Absolute first thing you do. Now,
Speaker 3: I haven't had a Dell computer for quite a few years,
Speaker 3: but that was the first thing I did was jump
Speaker 3: in and see if I still had a Dell account
Speaker 3: and if there was a password, and I generated a
Speaker 3: new password just in case. That was one of the
Speaker 3: first things. And also two factor authentication. You might have
Speaker 3: seen it written down as two FA that's another thing
Speaker 3: that you can do. Make sure then that two factor
Speaker 3: authentication means that before you can sign in, you have
Speaker 3: to either have a second factor authentication, either a text
Speaker 3: message or an email get sent to you with a
Speaker 3: code and then you put the code in. So it's
Speaker 3: not enough just to have the password. You need that
Speaker 3: factor code to then pull it there as well. It's
Speaker 3: a pain, but it's a level of security as well.
Speaker 1: I saw this real today, mate, and a guy was
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was. It was like a
Speaker 1: little almost like a road test of a product. This
Speaker 1: guy was sitting in what looked to be a cafe.
Speaker 1: There was lots of people around. He was talking and
Speaker 1: we could hear what he was hearing. He had like
Speaker 1: this thing in his ear, and then he said.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: He gave some instruction to cut out the background noise
Speaker 1: and just to focus on one person across the table.
Speaker 1: Took out all the noise except this bloke's voice, and
Speaker 1: then you could clearly hear what he was saying, except
Speaker 1: he was speaking in Spanish, and then he said, now
Speaker 1: converted into English. So all of a sudden, all the
Speaker 1: noise in the room has gone, or you know, it's
Speaker 1: gone from a ten to or one, and now we
Speaker 1: can hear clearly hear this guy, and then we then
Speaker 1: it gets translated in pretty much real time into English, like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes you feel sad that we don't have
Speaker 3: a Cold war and spies anymore, because that.
Speaker 2: Would have been really handy, wouldn't it.
Speaker 4: Ah, Yeah, I'm pretty sure we do have spies. I'm
Speaker 4: pretty sure there.
Speaker 3: Are still shout out to everybody at AISIO.
Speaker 1: I'm going to show my age here because I read
Speaker 1: the one of the titles of one of your kind
Speaker 1: of articles or one of your discussion points under social media,
Speaker 1: and it says young people share their experience of being doxed.
Speaker 1: I don't know what dost means.
Speaker 3: This is actually a bit of bit insidious. This it's
Speaker 3: a terrible thing to do to somebody. It's where online. Okay,
Speaker 3: we'll give an example. You're online gaming and you have
Speaker 3: a bit of an altercation with someone because quite often
Speaker 3: online gamers can talk to each other and someone takes
Speaker 3: a dislike to you. But then they get your personal details,
Speaker 3: your address, and then they start sending pizza delivery people
Speaker 3: to your house. And we're not talking one person, we're
Speaker 3: talking fifty people. So suddenly you're getting packages delivered to
Speaker 3: your house. You're getting pizzas delivered to your house, and
Speaker 3: it could be amazingly distressing. This happened to a guy
Speaker 3: who was only seventeen and his whole family was thrown
Speaker 3: in a curveball here and it meant that, you know,
Speaker 3: he got into an argument online playing a game called
Speaker 3: Call of Duty, and then for about three or four
Speaker 3: weeks he kept getting you know, uber eats and pizzas
Speaker 3: and it says sometimes fifty times a day, and that's
Speaker 3: what it is. It's a really malicious thing people can do.
Speaker 3: I mean, I always get distressed when people the keyboard warriors,
Speaker 3: you know, people who are so tough behind the keyboard,
Speaker 3: and they wouldn't say if you wouldn't do it in
Speaker 3: real life if you don't think about it. And look,
Speaker 3: there's always going to be people out there who'll do
Speaker 3: this sort of stuff. But yeah, so that's what dosing is.
Speaker 3: But as you can imagine, the whole family would have
Speaker 3: been pretty distressed about this sort of thing happen.
Speaker 1: I wonder what the solution to this is for the
Speaker 1: food companies or the restaurants or because you think about
Speaker 1: you you could ring up. I mean, I live on
Speaker 1: a street with fifty restaurants. You've taken cafes. I could
Speaker 1: ring up the pizza joint that's one hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: meters away and order ten pizzas. As long as I
Speaker 1: give them an address and a phone number, they're going
Speaker 1: to make the ten pizzas.
Speaker 2: Look, I think the only way to get around that
Speaker 2: is for people to prepay and to say I mean,
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, if someone sends me
Speaker 2: a pizza and it's been paid for, I'm not too concerned.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I mean, look, it's you know, the society
Speaker 3: is breaking down when people start sending a kilo and
Speaker 3: a half of coins in the mail.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's just kidding.
Speaker 4: Yeah. By the way, Patrick's home address for the Federal
Speaker 4: Police if you're listening, he's in Milan. I don't know
Speaker 4: the exact address.
Speaker 1: It just occurred to me that if all of our
Speaker 1: listeners sent Patrick five dollars each, I will match that
Speaker 1: with whatever we come up with.
Speaker 2: It's greg that's a great idea.
Speaker 1: You're an idiot. Stop that was fake me. That wasn't
Speaker 1: really everyone that. By the way, fake me is way too.
Speaker 2: Polite, you reckon.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, fake.
Speaker 1: Me is too articulate and nice. I really need to apologize.
Speaker 1: I was going to do a tai chi class with Patrick,
Speaker 1: but I weaseled my way out of it. There's no apology,
Speaker 1: there's just relief.
Speaker 2: You're right. Actually yeah, it's just relief.
Speaker 4: Like fake me, fake me doesn't know real me because
Speaker 4: fake me he would know. Fake me should know that.
Speaker 4: Real me would never apologize for that.
Speaker 1: Of course you were. I'm always wrong and you are
Speaker 1: one hundred percent right all the time. You wish, all right,
Speaker 1: take us home with something. Just round this bad boy
Speaker 1: up if you could.
Speaker 2: It sounds like you want to get rid of me.
Speaker 4: No, you can do it.
Speaker 1: For as long as I just realized. You know why
Speaker 1: we've gotten through a lot in a short time. I
Speaker 1: don't want to say it's tiff, but it's tiff. It's
Speaker 1: there's a a big conversational whole.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: There's some researchers here in Australia have been looking at
Speaker 3: how children are being educated and they're saying that children
Speaker 3: produce better pieces of writing by hand, so their ability
Speaker 3: to learn and at a certain age. So we're talking
Speaker 3: say grade one and grade two if they are still writing.
Speaker 3: And this is where education sytem in Australia is being
Speaker 3: praised because when you're writing, you're singularly focused on what
Speaker 3: you're doing is spelling every single letter. You're writing out
Speaker 3: every single letter, and it's a much a better way
Speaker 3: to focus and to be able to get kids.
Speaker 2: To do that.
Speaker 3: And I thought, isn't that great that handwriting is such
Speaker 3: a good thing for young people and that we still doing.
Speaker 3: Obviously keyboard skills are imperative for kids as they're getting older,
Speaker 3: but certainly at a younger age they're saying, your handwriting
Speaker 3: is really, really good. I've got friends of mine who
Speaker 3: live around the corner from you. I just gave their
Speaker 3: fourteen year old a fountain pin because he was telling
Speaker 3: likes to write, and so it's great. It was funny
Speaker 3: because I went over to their place a few weeks
Speaker 3: ago and his fingers were blue. The bed leaked.
Speaker 2: I'm so dodgy. Was that an expensive one to start
Speaker 2: off with?
Speaker 4: You know? It? Never? I mean, I don't know about you.
Speaker 4: A couple of things.
Speaker 1: Here, but we we had to use fountain pens like
Speaker 1: we had in the old days. We had like we
Speaker 1: didn't dip it in a bloody thing of ink, but
Speaker 1: they had these ink cartridges and we.
Speaker 4: Had to write. Is it called cursive right where all
Speaker 4: the letters are connected?
Speaker 2: Seriously? Yeah, of course I still write cursive, do you? Yeah?
Speaker 2: With the fountain?
Speaker 4: Are you? And are you my mum? Are you an
Speaker 4: eighty five year.
Speaker 2: Old writing with a fountain pen?
Speaker 3: I actually have a beautiful mont Blanc fountain pen that
Speaker 3: I write with every day.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's clearly.
Speaker 2: I feel like I need to write you a letter.
Speaker 4: I feel for fuck your letter. Don't send me a letter.
Speaker 4: Fuck you know you're so weird. It's so weird. Hey,
Speaker 4: but I never thought about the fact that.
Speaker 1: Kids might soon stop writing. Like when you see like
Speaker 1: literally two year olds, three year olds using computers, tablets, phones,
Speaker 1: whatever and typing and navigating a keyboard, then I wonder
Speaker 1: if I wonder if there's going to be a time
Speaker 1: in the near future. You know what, he just took
Speaker 1: off and took his headphone off. So are you going
Speaker 1: to pretend that you know what I'm talking about? Now?
Speaker 3: I had Fritz was trying to get out of the office,
Speaker 3: and I thought, I hobe he might need to go
Speaker 3: to the toilet or something.
Speaker 1: So I hope he did a big dump on your
Speaker 1: fucking sofa. Hey, I was just saying, before you took rudely,
Speaker 1: I wish I had some fake Patrick, don't look at you.
Speaker 1: What Yeah, you're trying to find some more fake me.
Speaker 1: I was just saying, I wonder if we're going to
Speaker 1: get to a time in the near future where kids
Speaker 1: don't actually learn to write with pen and pencil anymore,
Speaker 1: because we don't need it.
Speaker 4: The world doesn't need.
Speaker 2: That, not in Australia.
Speaker 3: Evidently that's still a core part of our teaching, which
Speaker 3: is great.
Speaker 1: I know it is now, but I wonder if it'll
Speaker 1: be in ten years. Like we're trying to eradicate paper.
Speaker 1: We're already almost a cashless society.
Speaker 3: But hasn't Tiff been using one of those tablets in
Speaker 3: a pen, because that's the other thing you can do.
Speaker 3: You can just have a tablet that you can write on.
Speaker 3: My laptop flips over and I have a little stylust
Speaker 3: so I can take notes and write them that way.
Speaker 3: You know, I'd played around with it for a little while.
Speaker 3: In fact, your last conference that you did, do you
Speaker 3: remember I went along to that and you had some
Speaker 3: great guests speakers. Well, I took that and making notes
Speaker 3: and I flipped the laptop over and I was writing
Speaker 3: my notes on the back of it.
Speaker 2: But it's not the same as having ink on a
Speaker 2: piece of paper.
Speaker 1: Hmmm, well, think about the trees, bro, think about the trees. Ah,
Speaker 1: tell people how they can come and break into your
Speaker 1: very unsecure house in Bland and do yoga with you
Speaker 1: and get you to build them all taichi, yoga pillarties,
Speaker 1: it's all the same. I really need to apologize. I
Speaker 1: was going to do a tai chie class with Patrick,
Speaker 1: but I weaseled my way out of it. Stop it,
Speaker 1: stop playing fake me. All right, I'm taking the piece everyone.
Speaker 1: They're definitely not the same thing. They're all boring.
Speaker 4: Oh, he's telling need to apologize.
Speaker 1: I was going to do a tai chie class with Patrick,
Speaker 1: but I weaseled my way out of it.
Speaker 4: There we go, yep, there we go.
Speaker 1: We say, dot dot com be what smelkod doubt that
Speaker 1: was supposed to be websites?
Speaker 3: Now dot com tod au. Maybe I have to put
Speaker 3: gaps in it.
Speaker 4: Go and type it in now, properly, Go and type
Speaker 4: it in. I'll talk while you're doing that and see
Speaker 4: if you can get it right this time.
Speaker 1: You really you've lowered your colors today.
Speaker 2: Isn't it. Well? You know the other thing is we
Speaker 2: normally do them earlier in the day.
Speaker 4: I don't mind. I don't mind five o'clock. It's five
Speaker 4: fifty and it's dark as fucking hand.
Speaker 2: It's it's well, it's pretty dark everywhere. I guess at
Speaker 2: the moment.
Speaker 1: Websites now, dot com dot a.
Speaker 2: Not really not really spell it phonetically.
Speaker 1: What if you just write ay dash you.
Speaker 3: That's so weird, that is so strange. I'm gonna have
Speaker 3: to play around with it. Look, we'll try one more time.
Speaker 3: I'm going to move a little of the sliders and
Speaker 3: see what happens.
Speaker 1: Sorry, now, dot com dot a you that's.
Speaker 2: In terrible yea website?
Speaker 3: Are you?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Can you perfect that before the next one? Patrick, this
Speaker 1: has been your worst effort. You're on your first warning
Speaker 1: and you're on thin ice.
Speaker 3: I'm not even going to you're gonna have you.
Speaker 1: No, you know, here's the beauty of your pay I
Speaker 1: can harbor or double it and you're still getting the
Speaker 1: same welcome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for that, mate, Thanks mate,