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Speaker 1: Appogia Production.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to another episode of Am I A Bad Mom? Podcast?

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Speaker 2: It's the question we constantly ask, we.

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Speaker 1: Do over and over.

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Speaker 3: But you know, our kids never fail us with content

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Speaker 3: what they bring to the table, as well as you know,

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Speaker 3: our moments of parenting, our parenting wonders of wisdom, wisdom wonders.

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Speaker 3: That's what I was trying to go with, Like we

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Speaker 3: are really like we bring wisdom with our parenting, do we?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 3: This is how I get through parenting, Katie. In my mind,

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Speaker 3: I'm creating a story, whether it be fact or fiction,

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Speaker 3: I'm creating wisdom.

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Speaker 2: Well, I said to you the other day, I was like,

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Speaker 2: because now I've got teenagers. Well I say, now, like

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Speaker 2: it's just happen to you.

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Speaker 1: They just new.

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Speaker 2: But what I think I'm doing is I think I'm

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Speaker 2: like a teacher figure for you as to what happens

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Speaker 2: when you have teenagers and maybe want not to do

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Speaker 2: So you're watching me going, okay, not doing it like that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well no, not really like some things I look

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Speaker 3: at and go, oh, going to use that. Probably won't

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Speaker 3: do that. That looks extreme, not going there. You know,

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Speaker 3: I'm learning from you. That's wisdom.

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Speaker 2: And then Hopefully by the time you're going through it,

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Speaker 2: I'll be able to sit back with my feet up

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Speaker 2: with the glass of champagne and go a game.

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Speaker 3: Reach just has it all going, because literally, your kids

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Speaker 3: would have like graduated, be driving you around everywhere. You're Uber,

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Speaker 3: You'll have like a personalized Uber and I'll be just

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Speaker 3: still in the thick of like teaching them how to drive.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I will enjoy that.

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Speaker 1: Waiting.

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Speaker 3: Yes, am I a bad mum for underestimating the challenge.

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Speaker 2: Actually, this is an elephant in the room kind of

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Speaker 2: situation because we haven't yet spoken about. I love that

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Speaker 2: you went to South Africa. Yes, because samone, I'm a celebrity,

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Speaker 2: Get me out of here.

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Speaker 3: He went into the jungle for five weeks and he

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Speaker 3: came back a jungle king, how we put it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and what happened is and you spoke about it

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Speaker 2: on the podcast that You've got a phone call on

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Speaker 2: the morning saying he's going to be a finalist. You

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Speaker 2: need to fly to South Africa this afternoon.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like five o'clock.

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Speaker 3: Would you mind packing up your life and with your

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Speaker 3: children to Africa? But it'll be a made like, it'll

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Speaker 3: be amazing. So I just took on the challenge as

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Speaker 3: a parent. That's what you do, right, whether it's flying

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Speaker 3: to Africa on the same day, yeah, or taking your kids.

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Speaker 1: To an afternoon of sport. Like it's a challenge.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean the Africa part I can't relate, but

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Speaker 2: I can only imagine how stressful it was because we're

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Speaker 2: still at school. They were at school, You had to

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Speaker 2: pick them up early, you had to go to get

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Speaker 2: to the airport, and I remember you were saying to me,

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Speaker 2: I don't have neck pillows. I don't have the adaptor.

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Speaker 2: I was like, do it at the airport, give yourself

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Speaker 3: So Buddy's story behind that is it's being such a

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Speaker 3: stingy mum. I was like, I let them do Brisbane

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Speaker 3: to Perth without a neck pillow because I was like, Oh,

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Speaker 3: if they get through that, that's six hours of the journey,

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Speaker 3: maybe they won't need it for the next leg.

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Speaker 1: But the next leg was like eleven hours.

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Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, we did a we did

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Speaker 3: a Katie special, bought the overpriced ones at the airport.

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Speaker 3: I think in the previous podcast I'd said to you

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Speaker 3: all that was really of concern for me, And now

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Speaker 3: this comes from years of flying as crew as cabin cruise.

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Speaker 3: So this is not just from me being precious like

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Speaker 3: this is from being within the industry, understanding safety regulations

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Speaker 3: all of that stuff.

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Speaker 1: I think my thing to you was, we've never flown

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Speaker 1: with them before.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And the funny thing is we were talking about

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Speaker 2: is that the TV company flew them business class and

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Speaker 2: then flew you guys in economy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And so this is what I'm guessing happened, right,

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Speaker 2: because you were only in South Africa for two days

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Speaker 3: It was two and a half days, and it was

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Speaker 3: two days of it was filming with kids, and then

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Speaker 3: you flew back and then we flew all the way back.

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Speaker 2: So because I was thinking, oh, there's no way is

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Speaker 1: He's a gentleman, He's a gentleman.

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Speaker 2: Yep, did he go. You've been solo parenting for all

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Speaker 2: this time. I haven't seen the kids for ages all

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Speaker 2: sit in the back with them.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, we were literally on different flights.

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Speaker 1: I'm in one plane. He's in the other.

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Speaker 2: Oh, but you went back the same day. We went

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Speaker 2: back the same day.

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Speaker 3: We got on the one hour little flight together, you know,

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Speaker 3: like where he's trying to like pat my leg and

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Speaker 3: say it's okay, like, don't talk to me, Bro, I

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Speaker 3: actually can't even look at you right now. And then

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Speaker 3: we got to joe Burg. And now as we get

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Speaker 3: to joe Berg, we split ways.

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Speaker 2: Because you're on different airline airlines.

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Speaker 1: So I'm on with the girls on South African Airways.

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Speaker 3: We're going off on South African Airways and he's on

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Speaker 3: Quantus Direct into Sydney straight through.

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Speaker 1: So you had to.

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Speaker 2: Watch him go off to his contests into the business class.

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Speaker 1: The girls were watching him in the business lounge.

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Speaker 3: With like all of the crew. Oh man, I had

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Speaker 3: two kids, Katie. They had flown over. They had done

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Speaker 3: an amazing job. They are still little, so I understand,

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Speaker 3: and I sort of took on board that when they

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Speaker 3: need to sleep, they'll sleep. I as a parent, had

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Speaker 3: to accommodate that when they're tired, they just need to

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Speaker 3: all of that.

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Speaker 1: So we just did that right to get by. But

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Speaker 3: And a half days filming, seeing Dad again, playing with

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Speaker 1: Our stams in the lounge.

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Speaker 3: I was like looking going allow them to have the feelings,

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Speaker 3: like you know, you've got all that shit going through

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Speaker 1: You're like, why the fuck is this happening to me?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I don't know what to.

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Speaker 3: Do because I'm exhausted, So I understand how they're feeling,

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Speaker 3: you know, And then you look up and you're like.

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Speaker 1: Oday, mate, I hope you're haven't a great time.

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Speaker 3: I'm not there.

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Speaker 1: Oh it looks wonder now.

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Speaker 2: I know you're very grateful to go, like you were

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Speaker 2: grateful for the trip, and you did like a beautiful

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Speaker 2: safari and I've seen the photos looks amazing, But this

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Speaker 2: is where I like, I mean, the Instagram highlights reel

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Speaker 2: can imagine you with two tired kids, like you could

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Speaker 1: That was so tired, Katie.

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Speaker 3: So my way and the way that I travel is like, well,

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Speaker 3: because who knows we might not get the opportunity again.

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Speaker 3: Obviously on this situation, we've only got two and a

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Speaker 3: just do it. So on the day that we landed,

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Speaker 1: They just like mislead you, like, yeah, the holiday.

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Speaker 2: You're in a holiday for thirty seconds. Now get back

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Speaker 1: So I was like, girls, let's do it. I'm booking

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Speaker 3: Let's do the game drive this afternoon, leaves it four,

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Speaker 1: It started raining on ours, Katie.

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Speaker 3: On the first one that we did on that afternoon,

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Speaker 3: I'm going, are you fucking serious? I get one game

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Speaker 3: drive and it's raining, but we still saw all these

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Speaker 3: like these giraffes and zebras and like wart hogs and

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Speaker 3: like pretty much the whole pack of the line King

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Speaker 3: was there. That for me was like so surreal. But like,

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Speaker 1: Drive, I turn around.

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Speaker 3: One minute, Elsie's talking to me, and then the next

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Speaker 3: minute I turn around, She's out cold. Katie to the

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Speaker 3: The cheetahs were there, finally here, and like that was

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Speaker 1: She wouldn't wake up. That's the reality of travel, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, whilst it rained on us, it was an amazing experience,

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Speaker 3: am I telling it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Because I saw the pictures and the videos on Instagram,

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Speaker 2: I was like, oh, look, how beautiful that looks. I

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Speaker 2: You'd been up all night and that was your only

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Speaker 3: So then I got her to bed, I got a change.

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Speaker 3: She did not wake up until three am.

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Speaker 2: That's nice, right, Yeah, where do you want to be sleeping?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: And so I think I'd gone to bed with Gracie

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Speaker 3: I thought, oh good, like, oh, we might get through

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Speaker 3: the night. Then we had these nets around our bed,

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Speaker 3: and in typical fashion of children, I literally wake up

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Speaker 3: to three o'clock not knowing where you are, right, and

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Speaker 3: there's this face coming through this net at me, mum,

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Speaker 3: and I was like.

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Speaker 2: What the fuck?

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Speaker 1: Where am I like this? She goes, It's okay, it's

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Speaker 1: just no own of a lie, scariest shit I've seen.

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Speaker 1: It's so well But I was like, oh, ry it.

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Speaker 1: We're in South Africa, Okay, yeah, now I look at it.

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Speaker 1: Three o'clock. I just wanted to cry.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's letting it be at least five.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Are we allowed to talk about what happened over there?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I text you and I was like, I'm so torn.

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Speaker 2: I really want to know who won. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: but I also don't want to ruin the surprise when

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Speaker 2: I watch it on Sunday. And you takes back and said,

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Speaker 2: we don't even know who won. They filmed three different endings,

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Speaker 2: and then Sam flew back. He was obviously back in

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Speaker 2: him Perth and he's walked through the door all refreshed.

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Speaker 2: I imagining after business class. A Daisy and your mum

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Speaker 2: and your brother and everyone are there with I'm a celebrity,

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Speaker 2: and then there's a video your brother took of him.

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Speaker 1: Going yes, so good he didn't he didn't.

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Speaker 2: Blows my mind.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, everyone including crew, everyone flew out Saturday like lunchtime,

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Speaker 1: I think it was like the Sunday afternoon or Sunday night,

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Speaker 3: They literally received votes until then, and they have three

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Speaker 3: because there's five hundred stuff in that jungle running around

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Speaker 3: but there's so much going on in there with these teams.

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Speaker 1: It's so interesting.

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Speaker 2: And then by the time you get home, all disheveled,

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Speaker 3: On the flight home was so funny, Katie. This poor

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Speaker 3: And that poor guy decides to tell me as we've

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Speaker 1: And then I literally like looked at this man.

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Speaker 3: I was like, huh, twelve o'clock and with kids on

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Speaker 3: I was like, I looked, I went, okay, well, judgment

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Speaker 1: Goes, I get it, I got kids.

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Speaker 3: I was like, okay, because like Elsie just decided in

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Speaker 3: the last thirty minutes she hated me and hated the world,

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Speaker 3: And you think you're being quiet, but you're not really

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Speaker 3: I just hit my point of exhaustion.

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Speaker 1: I was done.

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Speaker 1: We're about to find out who one? Are you ready?

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Speaker 3: We're ready, Dad won That's how we found out in

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Speaker 1: That's crazy.

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Speaker 2: And so then you get a taxi, you get home,

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Speaker 2: Sam feel tucked up nicely in bed.

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Speaker 3: Well in that note, I have to give him credit

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Speaker 1: Whilst we're sitting in this very long cab line.

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Speaker 3: There was one in there from him saying I'm here,

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Speaker 3: downhill with some lovely African flu that I obviously bough.

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Speaker 3: Let's just say Sam got nothing from me other than congratulations,

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Speaker 3: really proud of you.

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Speaker 1: When you're that tired.

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Speaker 2: There's like a kind of when I say it's irrational,

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Speaker 2: it's actually not really irrational, Like a resentment there that

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Speaker 2: honestly everyone would have it well done. King of the Jungle,

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