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Speaker 1: L three sixty rugby league from every angle, joining me

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Speaker 1: agetting the great Gonzales in poor Crawley and d and

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Speaker 1: Richie Bullfrog.

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Speaker 2: You've done it again.

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Speaker 3: What's happened?

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Speaker 2: If you're a jinx? Why every year?

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Speaker 1: You're right, you write these stories every year a month

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Speaker 1: ago and.

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Speaker 3: Our things gone since then? Does we still talk to you?

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Speaker 2: Let's let's just read the quote.

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Speaker 1: Okay, A once proud rugby league state has descended from

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Speaker 1: the picture. By the way, once proud rugby league state

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Speaker 1: has descended from showcase to basketcase. Queensland footballers could audition

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Speaker 1: to be contestants on The Biggest Loser and.

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Speaker 4: At the time Dune the fourth it was spot on.

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Speaker 4: But you inspired a state mate. So they comes after

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Speaker 4: Origin one defeat. Then the Broncos catch fire, the Dolphins

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Speaker 4: catch fire.

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Speaker 3: It's obvious what they win Game two.

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Speaker 4: It's obvious they've read the column and realize that they

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Speaker 4: pull their fingers out.

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Speaker 3: Thus it's happened.

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Speaker 5: Queensland is like, we have this thing called the Statesman

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Speaker 5: and you've got to play thirty games.

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Speaker 3: You're one of them for us. There's Arthur Beaten and

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Speaker 3: you got.

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Speaker 6: You.

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Speaker 4: I'm just saying every time you do it, like the

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Speaker 4: last time you called them the worst Queensland team ever.

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Speaker 3: And they what do they do? They were the worst?

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Speaker 4: Quick I will go back to Adam moulk Adam who

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Speaker 4: Adam who he goes out, has an absolute blinder that

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Speaker 4: you have to write an apology work?

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Speaker 3: How many times? When are you're going to learn crawls?

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Speaker 4: There's an old saying once wise man told me, which

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Speaker 4: was me a couple of games, that your win doesn't

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Speaker 4: make your season. The long way to go Origin is

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Speaker 4: still got one Origin to gate.

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Speaker 3: One to go Cowboys Broncos type.

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Speaker 2: In the format lesson what side are you on here? Both?

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Speaker 3: I'm not anyone side.

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Speaker 2: I'm a respected distinguished journalist.

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Speaker 3: I go straight down the middle. You've got here a

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Speaker 3: Cowboys support.

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Speaker 1: It's a nice love the starting the show, okay has momentum,

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Speaker 1: momentum off the back of that has the momentum shifted

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Speaker 1: now and Queensland are they in favor now?

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Speaker 2: Over? The Blues were not.

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Speaker 5: Well Game one game too. You don't know which one

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Speaker 5: you want? Like the series was on the line and

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Speaker 5: I reckon now that I reckon the game is on

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Speaker 5: a nice urge. I think Queen's are going to really

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Speaker 5: channel what they did in the first half and what

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Speaker 5: they got to fix for the second half, and they

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Speaker 5: were done a lot of a lot of confidence out.

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Speaker 3: Of game to New south Wales would have confidence.

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Speaker 4: New south Wales would have got confidence out of the

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Speaker 4: second half of absolutely. I think when you look at

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Speaker 4: the two teams on paper and especially on the edges,

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Speaker 4: there's New south Wales and the back five.

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Speaker 3: New south Wales do have an advantage. They just do.

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Speaker 4: But I truly believe almost that the biggest story line

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Speaker 4: in the build up to this decider and also it

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Speaker 4: will follow, is the coaching storyline. Because on one side

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Speaker 4: of the equation we have Billy Slater, who has lost

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Speaker 4: the last two series, who probably got shown up with

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Speaker 4: some of his selections for Game one. He fought back,

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Speaker 4: he's got them back into the series. But the fact

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Speaker 4: of the matter is you can't lose three Origin series

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Speaker 4: other side of the corn, you've got Lourie who for

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Speaker 4: came up against that great Queensland team. He's came back

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Speaker 4: for redemption. He picked an outstanding side for Game one.

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Speaker 4: Their discipline and their quality of play let them down

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Speaker 4: in Game two. It just did, and yet they can't

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Speaker 2: Who's under more pressure?

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Speaker 4: I think Billy Slater is for sure, given he's been

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Speaker 4: It doesn't look like a coach who's enjoying his coaching.

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Speaker 4: Madge threw him under some pressure last year. There was

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Speaker 4: media magic came out and said New South Wales is

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Speaker 4: the people's team, and it ultimately ended up with Billy

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Speaker 4: losing the series. I just don't know whether Billy looks

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Speaker 4: no mail here, Gordon, and I have no intuition other

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Speaker 3: This series, win, lose or draw.

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Speaker 4: It just would not shock me if Billy said, you

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Speaker 4: know what, I've had enough.

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Speaker 3: I do think that Billy showed great courage.

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Speaker 4: He made a mistake with the Paul Green reference before

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Speaker 4: Game two, right, But where he showed courage was on

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Speaker 4: And there's no question in the world that inspired his

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Speaker 1: Billy was on the show the first two games, and

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Speaker 1: he was on Chilling nine as well, and if you'd noticed,

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Speaker 1: he's bunkering down because he normally give so much.

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Speaker 2: He normally gives so much. I regon it's the ladder.

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Speaker 5: I reckon if you before the ball was kicked, if

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Speaker 5: a more pressure than Queensland. And I've never seen Billy

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Speaker 3: It looks physically drained, it does you.

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Speaker 5: I've watched when he watched Kevy Walters, I've watched Alexander.

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Speaker 3: Every person that gets put into that hot so that

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Speaker 5: Because it's because it's got two states sitting there hoping

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Speaker 1: That's high pressure and the players and coaches feel at

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Speaker 1: Maroon's Bolta. Gammi Shibasaki has revealed how Heart's a Heart

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Speaker 1: from Patrick Carrying sparked his journey back into the NROL

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Speaker 7: Four months ago, you know, I didn't have a contract.

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Speaker 7: I was just scraping through, trying to fight my way

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Speaker 3: That that that sort of lifetile.

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Speaker 2: I was just pretty content with that.

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Speaker 7: But then Hatty and that came to town with all

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Speaker 7: that sort of just it lit the fire again and

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Speaker 7: was just like, because me and Patty are really closer,

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Speaker 7: He's just like he can tell me those sort of things,

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Speaker 2: Just come back for another run, just come for a chain, come.

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Speaker 7: Live with me if you want, and stuff like that.

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Speaker 7: So he's now he's asking for a few money.

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Speaker 1: It's an amazing story, the fairy tale of Game three.

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Speaker 1: Shibasaki from nowhere has put himself in a position to

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Speaker 1: play State of Origin and rugby League where only probably

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Speaker 1: six eight months ago would have thought he was no chance.

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Speaker 2: But what an opportunity is for him. Good.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, playing for the Towns or Blackhawks there in the

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Speaker 5: Queensland Cup. And as I said, he just needed something

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Speaker 5: to prompt him. He's that he's got another cracker. I

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Speaker 5: think he was a Bronco under twenty. He played pretty

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Speaker 5: Blackhawks and then they signed with South Sydney. Maybe you

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Speaker 5: got to sniff again and maybe thought I'd have one

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Speaker 5: more crack at it, and he worked really hard. And

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Speaker 5: to all those young kids out there that think that

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Speaker 3: He was fantastic against the Warriors on the weekend. I

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Speaker 4: An amazing care But it shows you the faith that

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Speaker 4: Billy Slater obviously has in him because he's marking up

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Speaker 4: guy that can he can.

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Speaker 3: Turn it on in the blink of an eye.

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Speaker 4: Sure, and he can turn the game, as he almost

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Speaker 3: Gord you want to ask you this. He's a victory

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Speaker 3: for a durability and desire. I get that. But early

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Speaker 4: He can go, told he can go from Newcastle, in

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Speaker 4: Cowboys in twenty twenty three. Plays two games for SOUS

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Speaker 4: last year and they don't need him anymore. He then

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Speaker 4: of it all. You look at the great centers of Queensland. Gordy, Gregingless,

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Speaker 4: Gene Miles, Chris Melmaninger, Steve Reynolds. I question to you

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Speaker 4: is is this Shibasaki up to the standard of state

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Speaker 5: I'll tell you something he doesn't have to be any

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Speaker 5: not going to because at SHIVASARKI, he's going to go

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Speaker 5: out there and he's got to play his role. If

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Speaker 5: we're putting pressure of Queensland and looking at him to

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Speaker 5: save this series, we're barking up the wrong tree. But

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Speaker 5: that young kid getting his chance to pull on that

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Speaker 3: Dog, you're doing it again because of origin. It's fact.

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Speaker 4: It is the fact that those clubs let him go.

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Speaker 4: But if you go back over the history of Origin,

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Speaker 4: Queensland have done at time and again the ninety five,

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Speaker 4: all ther or Super League players and they did the unthinkable.

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Speaker 4: They did it in twenty twenty. If Billy's got the

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Speaker 2: Can't help yourself.

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Speaker 4: Forty five games in seven years of NRL. So I'm

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Speaker 4: trying not to be disrespectful. I'm just really asking there's

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Speaker 4: a level Instate of Origin, and it's an elite level.

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Speaker 3: Twenty six I think is I'll give.

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Speaker 5: You a little stat A bloke played at thirty five

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Speaker 5: his first.

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Speaker 3: Game, what was his name?

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Speaker 2: Got me?

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Speaker 3: Arthur beat them?

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Speaker 5: There he goes, it doesn't matter, beats no, no, no.

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Speaker 3: But.

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Speaker 5: Okay, the point is he's playing for us. Worry about

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Speaker 5: But an't you what you're throwing their toy o. He's

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Speaker 2: He'll be right after this.

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Speaker 3: He's going to give me a written apology if I'm right.

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Speaker 2: You heard me. He wants a written apology if you're wrong.

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Speaker 1: But I'm hesitant because of history and because of seeing

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Speaker 1: Shibasaki is a surprise, but I've picked him not but

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Speaker 4: And I was eighteen, no one, the coach didn't know

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Speaker 3: He scored a try our favorite place.

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Speaker 5: I've said probably Nate Miles probably wouldn't have played one

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Speaker 5: and thirty amazing games.

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Speaker 2: Won about Josh Papali.

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Speaker 1: He has regained selection for Queensland after his great form

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Speaker 2: You're a big fan of this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well I thought the whole way through.

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Speaker 4: I remember we sat out the back after the first

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Speaker 4: So his form for the Raiders this year has been incredible,

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Speaker 4: him and Joey to Pine and the way they team up,

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Speaker 4: say Josh Papally he retired from Origin. He retired from

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Speaker 4: and one. He brought him back and it provided an inspiration.

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Speaker 4: It's a point of difference that they haven't had this yet.

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Speaker 1: Surprise surprise, But you're not sol on this one.

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Speaker 4: I love Papa Brath. He's just about my favorite player. Then,

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Speaker 4: no real the question I asked though, is the speed

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Speaker 3: Become very quick at all level. He's coping exceptionally well.

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Speaker 4: We say that it'll be week with the Raiders, but

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Speaker 4: or two. Yes, my only question is can Papa keep

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Speaker 5: Is he up to it? I'm sure he will be.

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Speaker 5: I'm just throwing the crystal ball. I don't think he'll

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Speaker 5: be on late in any half. Okay, if he comes

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair, all right.

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Speaker 1: Nathan Cleary continues to recover from a growing strain and

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Speaker 1: he's no certainty to take on the kitting duties for

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Speaker 1: the Blue.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Feeling really good at the moment. And I've said a

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Speaker 6: I think that's good primer for it and sp we

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Speaker 6: would have loved to won in Perth, but that's gone

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Speaker 6: and being now, so it's about focus on this game

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Speaker 2: Will you be kicking before the next game. I'm not

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Speaker 6: We'll speak about over the next twenty four hours and

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Speaker 1: I think Cleary was very good against the Bulldogs on

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Speaker 1: and his coach Laurria Dally said he won't be kicking

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Speaker 1: it's fair to say he won't be kicking goals, but

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Speaker 1: you know, eight days.

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Speaker 2: The way he played on the weekend is kicking.

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Speaker 1: Game will be fine and I think he'll be next

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Speaker 1: to We'll need to one hundred percent by the time

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Speaker 4: His general kicking is the big thing too, isn't it

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Speaker 4: like we kicked out first kick on the full in

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Speaker 4: I think he put one dead. It's so important that

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Speaker 4: Cleary can take charge of the kicking game, but I

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Speaker 4: think that he said it just then that game against

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Speaker 4: the Bulldogs was the perfect preparation. There's always question marks

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Speaker 4: going into every Origin series that Nathan Cleary is yet

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Speaker 4: to conquer this, but for me, it's like he's that

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Speaker 4: performance against the Bulldogs because almost like he's primed himself

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Speaker 4: to conquer his final frontier in rugby league and this

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Speaker 4: is his final frontier.

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Speaker 3: He's a full time premiership winner.

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Speaker 4: Can I ask you why does this come up every

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Speaker 4: He's won three series. If he wins this series, that

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Speaker 4: takes him to four. There's only one other halfback who's

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Speaker 4: one more.

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Speaker 3: That's Andrew Johns at five and one of those series.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Joey did play hooker for one of those series.

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Speaker 4: But if Nathan's got full series victories, I don't think

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Speaker 4: he's got anything to conquer.

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Speaker 3: And I can't work out why this.

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Speaker 4: Constant barrage of people switch seeing him over Origin. And

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Speaker 4: I don't think everyone is bagging him over it. They're

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Speaker 4: just saying that he probably hasn't performed consistently in Origin

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Speaker 4: been standout performances. There was a game in Perth, wasn't

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Speaker 4: of the great Origin performances.

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Speaker 3: No question he stood up at that level.

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Speaker 4: But he hasn't owned a series like the really great

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Speaker 2: Hasn't only won one series defining game? Is that right?

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Speaker 3: Like a you've caught me off guard?

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Speaker 2: There all games in the series. I think I don't

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Speaker 1: That's just I just don't know what people want want.

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Speaker 2: I think we're comparing to.

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Speaker 5: The pedestal because because when you go and you play

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Speaker 5: against Andrew Johnson, he's here, Well that's the level. You

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Speaker 5: don't drop Joey's level and go, oh well he's won

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Speaker 5: for it's the style, the way Andrew played and dominated

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Speaker 5: like that. There's some games where he sort of beat Queensland.

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Speaker 3: On his own.

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Speaker 5: There's some games where Alan Langer was so good against

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Speaker 5: you and Jonathan Thurston was so good that they that

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Speaker 5: if they don't play you know, Queensland on New South

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Speaker 5: Wales don't win. I think that's the level that those

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Speaker 1: That he's already a greater the game. I think it's

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Speaker 1: more of that immortal status. Yes, you can't say he's

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Speaker 5: Like Joey did in Origin. So would he be in

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Speaker 5: New South Wales's greatest halfback?

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Speaker 3: In my opinion, I would have Andrew Johns as the

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Speaker 2: He doesn't need a priven it in anyone either. Like

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Speaker 2: he's done it, he's done a lot.

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Speaker 1: But I actually think, I actually think that he will

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Speaker 1: get me in the match and he will dominate his

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Speaker 2: I think it's his time.

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Speaker 3: More so, what about his groin?

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Speaker 5: So what's the difference between general played kicking and goal

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Speaker 5: kicking with your growl?

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Speaker 2: It's hard, depends on the groin.

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Speaker 1: I've had torn groins and they can annoy you for

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Speaker 1: the whole year. You know, it's hard with changing the direction.

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Speaker 1: It's hard for long kicks. That's why I didn't do

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Speaker 1: much of it in the first game. But and to

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Speaker 1: be fair, they don't heal quick and only you have

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Speaker 1: to reattach have surgery and they reattached them within six weeks.

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Speaker 1: Your fine and one hundred percent. But I don't know

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Speaker 1: the severity of it, so I can't really come in on.

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Speaker 4: Do you agree though it was vital for New South

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Speaker 4: Wales's chances?

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Speaker 3: Yes, that he is definitely the main.

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Speaker 5: Kick, definitely and we saw that is it weather cold

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Speaker 3: It's in Sydney.

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Speaker 4: It's always always I don't do yesterday said he would

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Speaker 4: do the bulk of kicking in general play. It was

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Speaker 4: just the goalkicking with that pressure when your body where

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Speaker 4: your leg swings across your body that.

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Speaker 2: You're forward, which there's an issue there. If he's not kicking,

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Speaker 2: there's an issue.

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Speaker 3: But brak you.

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Speaker 4: There's twenty six players that they've probably got bumps and

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Speaker 4: bruises to be fair at this time of year.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's take a look at the ins and out.

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Speaker 1: It's around eighteen all thanks to sports Beck Lotlin Galvin

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Speaker 1: fullback for the Broncos, Tyrell Sloan returns on the winning

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Speaker 1: for the Dragon send and Smith returns from knee injury

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Speaker 1: for the Roosters.

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Speaker 2: Adam do it five.

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Speaker 1: Eight to river at fullback for the Tigers, DoD on

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Speaker 1: the bench or that I'm hearing you won't play and

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Speaker 1: Brandon Smith on the extended bench.

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Speaker 2: Now Smith's got to play, hasn't he. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: He's had a bet.

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Speaker 5: Well, that's got to be a Bennett master stroke, and

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Speaker 5: that if if you name Brandon Smith the player he

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Speaker 4: They're saying they're saying they're going to give him to

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Speaker 4: him a sad day and playing silly buggers here? Because

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Speaker 4: if he's named on the extended bench and they think

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Speaker 4: he's ready to play in South Sydney have now lost

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Speaker 4: was it their last five? Yes, last five games and

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Speaker 4: they're sitting second last on the ladder. They need everything,

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Speaker 4: they need everything. Well they have got latrell As Cobo

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Speaker 4: feel he's been basically not driven out of the joint,

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Speaker 4: He signed with another club mid season for next year.

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Speaker 4: Now they're bought him back, thrown him back at full back.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think he's.

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Speaker 5: I think he's playing his favorite positions, so I think

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Speaker 5: about players normally they're really professional and that's their safe

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Speaker 5: no doubt he'll go there and try his best. But

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Speaker 4: Absolutely absolutely, I mean his headspace, where's it at? He's

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Speaker 4: been told basically he can leave the club. Now they

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Speaker 4: I can see wise of it and one of go

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Speaker 4: to the Dolphins.

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Speaker 1: Sorry about lockey Galvin. He is named to play for

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Speaker 1: the Bulldogs. He'll come off the bench, but he's had

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Speaker 1: a little cheeky post about the bully his mate Silver.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys read much about that's bullying.

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Speaker 4: I didn't particularly like it both to be fair, I

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Speaker 4: mean we condemned those at the West Tigers that went

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Speaker 4: It ended up being a suing a bullying allegation rather,

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Speaker 4: and now Lachlan's gone and done something quite similar. There's

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Speaker 3: Luck emoji and the smiley wink. I just think it

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Speaker 3: was unnecessary.

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Speaker 4: He copped the run of it when he was there

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Speaker 4: when he's left, does he want to.

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Speaker 3: Throw a couple of rocks back at the West Oigers.

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Speaker 3: It's just dumb, isn't it?

445
00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:55,720
Speaker 4: Like in a social media gets a lot of people

446
00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:57,679
Speaker 4: into trouble. He probably didn't mean much by it. He

447
00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,320
Speaker 4: probably didn't cruels, but you know the.

448
00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,840
Speaker 5: Tigers Blakes met much by it as well.

449
00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:06,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with what you say.

450
00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:09,520
Speaker 4: I personally thought at the time that wasn't that wasn't bullying.

451
00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,399
Speaker 4: I was then making a statement about their own coach

452
00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:13,640
Speaker 4: and their club.

453
00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,200
Speaker 3: That's what that was. But this is obviously that he's

454
00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:17,520
Speaker 3: the cheeking emoji there.

455
00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,199
Speaker 4: That's that's that's a slap in the face for the

456
00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:21,480
Speaker 4: Tiger's no question in the world.

457
00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:21,720
Speaker 3: Right.

458
00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:25,160
Speaker 1: While we're on Talent de Silva, we spoke about last

459
00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,920
Speaker 1: night the two journals went at about him leaving.

460
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Speaker 4: What did you guys think about this situation. I look

461
00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:34,359
Speaker 4: as you're discussing it. I can't make sense of what

462
00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,560
Speaker 4: the Tigers are doing here. And I know I said

463
00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,760
Speaker 4: here last week and said that Selwyn Cobble should have

464
00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:41,479
Speaker 4: been released. I thought he should have been released from

465
00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,560
Speaker 4: the Broncos. But I see that as a completely different

466
00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,600
Speaker 4: situation because one the Broncos don't want him for next year.

467
00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,359
Speaker 4: They've insulted him with the offer that they did to

468
00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:51,919
Speaker 4: keep him, and he doesn't have a future at the club.

469
00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,680
Speaker 4: Talon to Silver apparently has told rich Oh he wanted

470
00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:56,760
Speaker 4: to stay at the club, yet they've let him go.

471
00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:58,800
Speaker 4: They had him signed for this year and next, and

472
00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:02,399
Speaker 4: as Gordon said, what happened to fighting, what happened to

473
00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,480
Speaker 4: fighting for the top spot in that team. You look

474
00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,719
Speaker 4: at clubs and he's a good comparison. You look at

475
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,560
Speaker 4: what the Tigers have done with these players of late

476
00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,320
Speaker 4: and the system that is almost forcing these young players

477
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:16,679
Speaker 4: out of the game. And then you go to a

478
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:20,120
Speaker 4: club like Melbourne where you've got Jonah Pezzant, you've got

479
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,679
Speaker 4: wish Hart, you've got fale Ogo, these sort of guys

480
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,080
Speaker 4: that are playing those back up roles, but they're more

481
00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,439
Speaker 4: than prepared to spend three years of their career so

482
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,159
Speaker 4: they get a chance to be a part of that

483
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 4: Melbourne system, learn under Craig Bell and learn alongside these

484
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,639
Speaker 4: great players, and that's where their systems at. And then

485
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,239
Speaker 4: you've got the Tiger system that just happily lets them

486
00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:41,800
Speaker 4: walk out the.

487
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,320
Speaker 3: Door What did you guys make of this quote from.

488
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 4: Shane richardson once we decided to resign Appy, it would

489
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:52,040
Speaker 4: have been wrong of us to hold the Silver back.

490
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,720
Speaker 4: I think that set's a very dangerous priest. So in future,

491
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,639
Speaker 4: any player that is resigned, does that mean other players

492
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:00,639
Speaker 4: at the club who play in the same pasi may

493
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 4: will be free to go?

494
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:03,960
Speaker 2: Yeah? I find it odd. I do like this.

495
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Speaker 1: This would happen a lot of You know, if you're

496
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Speaker 1: not starting, it's not the end of the world. And

497
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Speaker 1: if you add his age, which is very young, you've

498
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:15,600
Speaker 1: got the whole career, whole life.

499
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 2: Ahead of you. You know, you don't need to be

500
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 2: a bullet agate.

501
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,679
Speaker 1: And if you don't get your own way, it doesn't

502
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,160
Speaker 1: mean that you just leave the club eighteen months in advance.

503
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Speaker 2: It doesn't make any sense to me.

504
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,879
Speaker 4: You're one hundred percent right, because I was talking to

505
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,439
Speaker 4: a rival chief executive today who was telling me that

506
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:34,399
Speaker 4: they've had several players who have you know, pushing for

507
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 4: their opportunity, that have asked for a left.

508
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 3: No is the answer that they get.

509
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,160
Speaker 4: So break your points very valid, But are you blaming

510
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:42,720
Speaker 4: the silver for wanting to leave?

511
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 2: It's okay if that's his prerogative if that's what he

512
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:48,239
Speaker 2: wants to do.

513
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:50,439
Speaker 1: But we all want to do things in life that

514
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 1: we can't because we've signed contracts, or we've made deals

515
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 1: with people, or it's just too bad, you know, But

516
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,360
Speaker 1: you don't just get out.

517
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,880
Speaker 2: I mean, they've let him go, so it's not it's

518
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 2: the clubs, you know.

519
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,200
Speaker 1: I don't see how it would have been untenable either,

520
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 1: if he still liked the place and he was happy there.

521
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,119
Speaker 1: How is it untenable? You know, Like, you don't need

522
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 1: to play happy for eighty minutes either.

523
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,679
Speaker 2: You can play more happy. He's getting on.

524
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 1: There's still a year and a half to go appy.

525
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,399
Speaker 1: You can get injuries. He's the backup hooker.

526
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 3: It doesn't make sense to me, not a sustainable theory.

527
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:22,239
Speaker 2: It isn't right.

528
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,360
Speaker 1: The Tigers have won more this year than this time

529
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 1: last year, and they have so won more at this

530
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 1: stage this year than last year.

531
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Speaker 2: Have they improved?

532
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 4: I think they've won one more game at this stage

533
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 4: this year as opposed to last year. He's the thing

534
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:44,120
Speaker 4: everyone keeps saying. The Tigers have improved, and they have improved.

535
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 4: The football they're playing has improved.

536
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 3: But guess what. So is their roster and we're another

537
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 3: year down.

538
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 4: The track and have they improved this year to the

539
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:54,880
Speaker 4: point that we expected.

540
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 3: No, no, they haven't. They're one win off the bottom

541
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Speaker 3: of the ladder up that's all there is.

542
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 4: They go out against the Roosters this weekend and there's

543
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,120
Speaker 4: a chance they end up on the bottom. They haven't

544
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 4: improved at the rate where you could where you're aligning them.

545
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 3: To their recruitment.

546
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 4: They had a pretty strong offseason recruitment Tigers, so given

547
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 4: who they lured to the club, they should be in

548
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 4: a stronger Drame Loueye True Terrell may like you know.

549
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 4: And so yeah, there's no question in the world they're

550
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 4: playing better football.

551
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:29,120
Speaker 2: Good but not good.

552
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,399
Speaker 5: So they have improved, but probably with the quality of

553
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 5: players all right.

554
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Speaker 1: With the Bulldogs in front against the running premiers, Camera

555
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 1: Serato injected Lachlan Galvin into the game, but it was

556
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 1: Nathan Cleary who stole the show.

557
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Speaker 8: Bulldogs have lost only two matches this year. Suddenly the

558
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Speaker 8: full time cham has won three in a row. They

559
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Speaker 8: got to run it kind of flick past sext nice plan.

560
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:07,719
Speaker 8: I'm playing a man, he's the president. It's a beautiful

561
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 8: dram and a Bulldogs. Fuck Galvin is on for Cannibury.

562
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 1: Sol I'm gonna so much fatigue in the game and

563
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: read it done a lot of work in the middle

564
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: and really good opportunity to get Lockie on.

565
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Speaker 8: Burton chucks out, clearly taps up with the nights he play.

566
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,400
Speaker 8: This is why he's play of the smartest players here.

567
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 8: Game shot me on the outside front of your plane.

568
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 8: Oh well, Canterbory, are you going to get a penalty

569
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 8: and you're down by two and you've knocked back the

570
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 8: chance to kick two? Last player the match, hold on

571
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 8: nothing Sexton Heywen, right side down burn look down, Bob

572
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 8: with having a sideline and it's one of the.

573
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Speaker 2: Matches in a season that was the turning point thanks.

574
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Speaker 1: To actually centers and has Surroundo created a headache trying

575
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: to squeeze galved into this side.

576
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 3: Well, Cameron came out himself.

577
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 4: It'said he had to plan ab and c for camera

578
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 4: for Lochland Galvin, but at some point in the next

579
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 4: few weeks break he's going to have to settle on

580
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 4: one of those plans. Going into August, that's when you

581
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 4: start to make your run for the finals. That's when

582
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 4: you've got your best team on the field. That's when

583
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 4: you start to gain momentum. I don't think you can

584
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 4: keep playing around me slide. He's got to have to

585
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 4: make the call. It'll be a tough call. But you

586
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 4: can't tell me they signed Lochland Galman and didn't know

587
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 4: the plan. They must have known where he was going

588
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 4: to play and how effective he was going to be. Yeah, look,

589
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 4: you can have a, B and C plans, but at

590
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 4: the end of the day, you've got to do what

591
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 4: you think in that moment is the best thing for

592
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 4: your team. And you tell me Broth was that best

593
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 4: for the Bulldogs when that change happened the other day?

594
00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 4: Because Sex has been playing so good Marnie's Marney's so

595
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 4: good in the middle that those two and Tracy combined

596
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 4: to set up that one and only try for Preston.

597
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,360
Speaker 4: It seemed to change the course of the game when

598
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 4: he came on.

599
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: Well, it's unusual in a game that's played like a

600
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 1: seventi five, one of the highest quality games of the year,

601
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: you keep playmaker. Sex is almost the best on the field,

602
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 1: creates their only opportunity to read Marney, and then when

603
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 1: the game's on the line, you take imerving and you

604
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 1: bring on a new half. It is very unusual. We've

605
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 1: been speaking about it for a long time now. I

606
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: thought they may have made the call this week and

607
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 1: just said, all right, Galvin, you're going into seven. But

608
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: maybe they're happy with sex than at seven now. But

609
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: they're going to be left with when do we put

610
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: him on? Where do we put him? Is it going

611
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 1: to disrupt our team? How is our dynamics, our cohesion?

612
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 2: You know? Galvin came on and tried hard, was heavily.

613
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 1: Involved, but couldn't dissect or get through the defensive line.

614
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 2: You've been big on this, Gordy.

615
00:27:58,800 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 3: Be happy.

616
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,199
Speaker 5: You picked your best seventeen right, and you can't keep

617
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 5: them all happy. There's no plan A, plan B, plan

618
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 5: C if Lockie Galvin. If you carry someone like that,

619
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 5: he comes on and he feels like he comes on,

620
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,239
Speaker 5: feels him wherever he is needed. You don't take off

621
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 5: at number seven, right. That's the luxury.

622
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: Carry a number, Kuba Krong said in the call, and

623
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 1: it was. He was spot on the winning try which

624
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: was clearly charged down on Burton. When it's Sexton and Burton,

625
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 1: they both share the long kicking game more. But when

626
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: Gavin comes on, he takes a back seat, and it's

627
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 1: all Burton, and it was when Burton was out there.

628
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: So Cleary is being as smart as he and as

629
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: a leaders he is. He knew that it was Arnie

630
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: Burton that could possibly kick. He was going to kick

631
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: no matter what, there was no other option. He charged

632
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: him down and that was the difference. So if you

633
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: actually peel it back, if Galvin's not on the field

634
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: and Sexton is, they got two options to kick and

635
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: maybe they win the game.

636
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 2: So I know that's probably looking pretty deep into it,

637
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 2: but it is a fair point.

638
00:28:58,440 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 3: That's what Clearing clearly knew.

639
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 4: And and and you know, there were suggestions that Nathan

640
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 4: might have might have been off side because he got

641
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 4: up that quick, but an actual fact, he wasn't. And

642
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 4: it was just a really really smart player, as you said,

643
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 4: where he zoned in on knowing there's.

644
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 2: No other option.

645
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: Burton couldn't have done anything else apart from not kick it,

646
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: which he probably shouldn't have, right, But that's easier said

647
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: than done. But you know, these are the sorts of

648
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,719
Speaker 1: little problems that they're running into now that they wouldn't

649
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: have if they had.

650
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 3: They're causing on themselves.

651
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 5: Just bite the bullet Sexton and read Marney until they

652
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 5: don't get.

653
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 3: The job done.

654
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,719
Speaker 5: In the perfect world, Galvin would have come next year, right,

655
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 5: did a full pre season and won one of the jerseys,

656
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 5: right the seven or the six.

657
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 3: He'll make the tough call karents about what is.

658
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 2: The tough call? What do we think? What's he going

659
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 2: to do?

660
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 4: The tough call is what he thinks is going to

661
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 4: be best for them, But what is the premiership? Personally,

662
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 4: I would leave Sexton there. I think he's led him

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Speaker 4: to the top of the table. He deserves to be

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Speaker 4: dropped and I would have him as my number seven.

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Speaker 2: Where would you have Gay deserve grade?

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Speaker 3: Possibly? Great?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because it happened their bench is coming now there

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Speaker 4: he got softly softly crawels because this is a new

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Speaker 4: kid on the block, is a young gun. He'll be

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Speaker 4: there for the next five or six years and we

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Speaker 4: think he will develop into a star. Is sialdo just

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Speaker 4: taking it slowly, deliberately, just to make this kid feel

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Speaker 4: like he's at at home. When Lachlan Galvin first turned

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Speaker 4: up at the Bulldogs in that first game, and and

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Speaker 4: he went on the field and he really straightened up

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Speaker 4: the attack and you're thinking yourself, this is going to

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Speaker 4: make them a better team. But to his credit, Sexton

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Speaker 4: has stepped up and he's playing more direct now and

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Speaker 4: he's you know, he's he's he's lifted for the challenge.

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Speaker 4: And reed, Marty does so much work, so much work

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Speaker 4: that Sexton as when he goes into dummy Hill.

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Speaker 2: Wasn't when you do that, it wasn't broke.

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Speaker 1: That's it wasn't broken, and it's not broken now. So

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Speaker 1: we're not saying they're gone, but I think they've got

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Speaker 1: to get it right. Whatever that is, whatever dynamic, if

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Speaker 1: they leave him on the bench, if they put him

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Speaker 1: at seven, whatever it is, they need to work it

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Speaker 1: out over the next month because they can't be doing

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Speaker 1: this for the next four to six weeks heading into

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Speaker 1: the finals when they were sitting so pretty.

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Speaker 2: Because also we.

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Speaker 1: All know what the noise starts getting loud if they

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Speaker 1: lose a couple more games, which I don't think they will,

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Speaker 1: but the noise gets loud of the pressure builds and

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Speaker 1: sometimes you implode, and we.

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Speaker 4: Don't want that to happen with the Boone knows who's

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Speaker 4: going to be able to join it, bro who that

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Speaker 4: is We are yet to know, but someone will have

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Speaker 4: the shits.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think that's yeah, probably all right. Stick around journal

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Speaker 1: is just ahead. We chat live to Paddy Carrigan and

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