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Speaker 1: This is the weekend edition of Fear and Greed, daily

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Speaker 1: business news for people who make their own decisions. I'm

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Speaker 1: Michael Thompson, and good morning Sean Aylmer.

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Speaker 2: Morning Michael, Sean.

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Speaker 1: Our weekend show is all about the two of us,

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Speaker 1: each nominating what we think is the biggest business story

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Speaker 1: of the week, the most remarkable business story, a sleepers story,

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Speaker 1: one that's flying under the radar a little bit, and

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Speaker 1: you're very good at those, because you know you like

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Speaker 1: kind of looking under rocks and all that, and then

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Speaker 1: our favorite business story, and just a competition, and we

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Speaker 1: need a judge, and our judge is every week our

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Speaker 1: Fear and Greek colleague, Adam Lang Adam, good morning.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Good morning to you both. Actually good morning, Sean,

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Speaker 3: Good morning Michael.

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Speaker 1: Now look like you could tell Adam. You could tell

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Speaker 1: I had something he had to.

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Speaker 4: Get off his chair.

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Speaker 2: I think you're about to give us your category. Can

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Speaker 2: we add this to your categories for judging? Criteria? Is

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Speaker 2: better word? Isn't it? Your criteria for judgment? Can we

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Speaker 2: add another one? Please?

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Speaker 4: Without notice? I love it.

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Speaker 2: Brevity b r ev y because when I listen back

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Speaker 2: to the weekend edition shows, I carry on too much,

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Speaker 2: and I'm probably got a third of the time, so

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Speaker 2: Michael's got two thirds of the time, and oh my word,

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Speaker 2: it gets tiresome.

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Speaker 3: So we can go on the show with a little

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Speaker 3: bit of feedback. Can I give my criteria first, and

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Speaker 3: then we'll add brevity in right.

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Speaker 2: So we will add good good, good, good good.

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Speaker 4: Because I think it's a rip up. Topicality is number one.

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Speaker 3: That's what we're after, timeliness, economic impact, Please pay attention

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Speaker 3: to my subjective bias, particularly reform ideas, and throw in

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Speaker 3: some melodrama, and of course let's do the catch all

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Speaker 3: of brevity. Maybe there's special points for brevity today.

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Speaker 2: It's the first time Michael he's ever said reform.

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Speaker 1: I've never heard him mentioned reform before. Who knew that

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Speaker 1: this was a passionate about for I feel though that

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Speaker 1: I am being unfairly targeted. I am I am prone

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Speaker 1: on occasion to waffling, and I feel as though that

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Speaker 1: this is this is tailor made to target me. I

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Speaker 1: feel I feel like.

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Speaker 4: Your superpowers has been given kryptonite.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I've been hobbled a superpower. Michael's ability

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Speaker 2: to waffle on is a superpower. It's one of the

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Speaker 2: more lame superpowers out there. But it's a Marvel comics

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Speaker 2: that are gonna make it.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry the waffler.

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Speaker 2: Pop.

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Speaker 1: He will bore you into submission.

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Speaker 2: He can talk criminals down.

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Speaker 1: Let's do this, shall we see? Look at me? I

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Speaker 1: am the one moving this on. I'm doing it first.

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Speaker 1: I'm going first for the biggest story. And Adam, you

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Speaker 1: know how you are going to be judging s. You

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Speaker 1: know what Sean and I have done again for the

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Speaker 1: biggest story this week.

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Speaker 3: You've neutralized it, as in, there'll be no winner in

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Speaker 3: the first story.

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Speaker 1: That is correct because because there is only one big story,

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Speaker 1: it's one big person who has created multiple big stories, right,

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Speaker 1: and it of course is Donald Trump. And so Sean

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Speaker 1: and I have each chosen an element of the Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump Show from the week.

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Speaker 4: But are we competing?

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Speaker 2: Well no, if you want, I mean go on, no, no, nor.

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Speaker 4: Allright, off you go.

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Speaker 2: Why does yours not involve reform? Everything Donald Trump does

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Speaker 2: revolve into Actually it does.

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Speaker 1: It does involve significant reform.

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Speaker 2: Let me go through it.

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Speaker 1: So mine was actually quite late in the week, relatively

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Speaker 1: late in the week, mid to late week, which is

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Speaker 1: actually kind of irrelevant detail didn't need to include already

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Speaker 1: warning early waffle anyway. And it's a serious one, really

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Speaker 1: serious one, because it was about all about Donald Trump's

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Speaker 1: suggestion that the US could take over the Gaza Strip

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Speaker 1: and turn it into, in his words, the riviera of

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Speaker 1: the Middle East. There was just so much in this, right.

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Speaker 1: There was a it was a joint press conference with

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Speaker 1: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Ettniahu, and even he said it

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Speaker 1: considered multi extreme, like it cannot get much more extreme

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Speaker 1: than this. It would involve relocating the entire population of Gaza.

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Speaker 1: There's something like two million people. Palestinian people would need

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Speaker 1: to relocate. The strip would need to be entirely demolished,

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Speaker 1: entirely rebuilt. He signaled that the US troops would potentially

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Speaker 1: an ownership stake in it as well. There are problems

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Speaker 1: galore with this, and if you take the politics out

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Speaker 1: of it and just look at the legal side of it,

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Speaker 1: it is illegal. The US has no claim over the land.

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Speaker 1: And from the political perspective, Donald Trump has actually campaigned

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Speaker 1: on a platform of America first, getting out of other

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Speaker 1: countries getting out of all these other entanglements around the globe.

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Speaker 2: You're suggesting he's not consistent.

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Speaker 1: He's like Adam inconsistent in his application of criteria. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: that was unfair. I don't know why I took a

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Speaker 1: sip with you on the way through. It's just habit now.

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Speaker 1: It just happens without even thinking, and it's yeah, is

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Speaker 1: the whole idea has been let everyone else sort their

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Speaker 1: that there are no countries in the Middle East that

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Speaker 1: are that are interested in actually accommodating the population of Gaza,

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Speaker 1: and there's nothing to actually say that they would want

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Speaker 1: to leave. And then it goes also against the two

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Speaker 1: been based on in decades.

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Speaker 2: Worrying to Michael, I've got to pull you up on this.

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump did say, well, this has got nothing to

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Speaker 2: do with the two state one state issue. Unrelated. And

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Speaker 2: of course, if it's all rebuilt the riviera of the West,

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Speaker 2: people can actually head back home, So the gardens will

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Speaker 2: be moving out only temporarily, like they back down a bit,

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Speaker 2: so they'll be able to come back.

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Speaker 1: You know what, it is Sean, and you're right, like

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Speaker 1: this is It's one of those things where just because

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Speaker 1: he says it, it kind of he says that it's

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Speaker 1: nothing to do with the two state kind of system. Well,

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Speaker 1: therefore it must be the cases what this feels like, right,

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Speaker 1: in true Trump style, It is a negotiating tactic. It

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Speaker 1: is a starting position, and it is a very extreme

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Speaker 1: starting point to show that he means business in this.

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Speaker 1: And so you kind of look ahead, You look ahead

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Speaker 1: a few days, you look ahead a few weeks, and

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Speaker 1: we will end up somewhere else, right, having negotiated his

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Speaker 1: way along from this position. But but this was an announcement, right,

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Speaker 1: sorry double butt not going for the triple because I

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Speaker 1: don't waffle anymore. This was an announcement that that drew attention.

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Speaker 1: It drew a lot of headlines. It left leaders like

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Speaker 1: Anthony Albanezi in a very kind of sticky situation trying

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Speaker 1: not to criticize a key ally while still supporting the

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Speaker 1: position that the Australian government has held for a very

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Speaker 1: very long time. Maybe that's why the Prime Minister was

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Speaker 1: out there trying to tell everyone to take a chill

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Speaker 1: pill and stop reacting to everything. That the President of

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Speaker 1: the United States says it was a massive, massive story

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Speaker 1: with far reaching global implications. But we're not competing, so

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Speaker 1: I don't actually need to need I need to go

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Speaker 1: into all of that.

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Speaker 2: And these stories, you don't actually need to beat them

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Speaker 2: up because they're just you don't believe to begin with.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I just what amazed me about this one

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Speaker 1: was just how many people from all hawks of life

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Speaker 1: came out and just said this is very problematic.

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Speaker 2: Not the far right in Israel. The far right in

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Speaker 2: Israel actually came out and said, this ain't a bad idea,

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Speaker 2: we should consider it out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, goodness, mane. And just like you have all the

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Speaker 1: academics coming out going there's just no legal kind of

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Speaker 1: basis for doing this. And it's just like, okay, all right,

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Speaker 2: It reads a little bit of ethnic cleansing just quietly

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Speaker 2: certainly does. And day Donald Trump every time he comes

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Speaker 2: up with an idea, it's like, let's build a hotel. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So if we build a hotel, how do we work

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Speaker 2: that up. We're gonna have to get rid of the

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Speaker 2: people first, and then we're going to build a hotel.

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Speaker 2: And then we're going to work out that's how it works. Yep, ye,

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Speaker 2: build a hotel. My favorite Donald Trump story this week,

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Speaker 2: favorite tariff tariffs. Tariffs. We had him and then we

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Speaker 2: did it. At least in the case of Canada and Mexico,

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Speaker 2: twenty five percent tariffs was supposed to kick in right

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Speaker 2: at the last minute. He gave them a one month

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Speaker 2: reprieve after both sides said they're going to do sort

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Speaker 2: you won't get leaking of people and fentanyl and stuff

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Speaker 2: like that. So one month reprieve for them. China, different story.

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Speaker 2: Ten percent tariffs kicked in. China immediately came back with

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Speaker 2: with retaliatory tariffs. Donald Trump reckons, this is going to

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Speaker 2: make things cheaper for people in the US. It's not

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Speaker 2: full stop. It just that's not how tariffs work, particularly

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Speaker 2: now that China's put a ten percent retaliatory tariff in.

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Speaker 2: I like saying that word it retaliate tory because I

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Speaker 2: know Michael can't say that word.

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Speaker 1: See, this is unfair, right, And this goes to my

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Speaker 1: point about me being targeted. I've been targeted by you

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Speaker 1: two putting your your stupid say the word. It feels retaliatory,

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Speaker 1: retal in retaliation, that's you just work, Hey, what's the

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Speaker 1: clearance rates that come through from the preliminary clearance RAITs

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Speaker 1: those ones? Yeah, mark this date on the calendar.

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Speaker 2: Got anyway, sorry, continue on. So that's what happened. It's

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Speaker 2: ridiculous using a bargaining chip for fentanyl. The irony, of course,

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Speaker 2: is that Mexico throwing ten thousand National Guard troops at

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Speaker 2: the border costs them hugely less than ten percent tariff wood,

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Speaker 2: So you know, sledgehammer to kill a fly type thing.

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Speaker 2: What about this? I mean it unnerves markets. That's a

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Speaker 2: bit that's worrying. But like at one point there this week,

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Speaker 2: Trump didn't mention tarifs for twenty four hours, so equity

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Speaker 2: markets rose, like, how ridiculous is that? We've got companies

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Speaker 2: like McKinsey thinking about moving out of China. They're worried

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Speaker 2: about Chinese Beijing Washington relations. In fact, a Chamber of

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Speaker 2: Commerce survey of the US said thirty percent of US

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Speaker 2: stopped accepting goods from China in Hong Kong, and he

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Speaker 2: lasted twelve hours, but they do three million a day,

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Speaker 2: hours half a day, seven hundred and fifty thousand parcels.

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Speaker 1: Just that's a lot of task borders, right, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Where where do they actually go? Like when they are

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Speaker 1: when they are like no, no, it's it's an actual

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Speaker 1: Postal Service when suddenly they say we're not going to

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Speaker 1: take seven hundred and fifty thousand parts a day, where

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Speaker 1: do they go, Like do they just just sit there

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Speaker 1: in a warehouse. Imagine the size of the warehouse that

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Speaker 1: you would need for this.

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Speaker 2: That's just the day, this is per day, this is

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Speaker 2: that's that is stay crazy and it just oh, I

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Speaker 2: just anyway, you got you got India actually changing its

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Speaker 2: foreign policy and its plans around customs. On the back

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Speaker 2: of Donald Trump, Michael mentioned Anthony Albanize. Basically he said

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Speaker 2: anyone needs to take a chill pill. No in prime minite.

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Speaker 2: So this guy's president of the US, right, what he

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Speaker 2: says actually matters. Don't say take a chill pill. Actually

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Speaker 1: Most remarkable is the fact that this is this is

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Speaker 2: of the trade. No, no Adams tool, just a tool.

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Speaker 1: Adam's valiant efforts to rescue that. I've got this. I'm

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Speaker 2: This is an opinion, my opinion of Elon Musk. This

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Speaker 2: Gus Michael Well in the Genius definitely a genius.

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Speaker 1: It certainly is most remarkable story Australia. Gentlemen.

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Speaker 3: It's heading for a reginsvity just got squashed.

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Speaker 1: What you really think. Yeah, yes, absolutely, But at least

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine it would be being foreign minister or

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Speaker 1: Have you got a third story?

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Speaker 2: Have you got a story?

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Speaker 3: Well, Sean, you win. I think the deep Seek story

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Speaker 4: We sell a million cars new cars here every year,

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Speaker 1: To me here, I came, I came in here.

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Speaker 2: The heat is that what it is? Yes, smell the heat.

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Speaker 1: Vehicle sales have been trending down for several little time.

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Speaker 1: In a moment, Sean, we are looking for a sleeper

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Speaker 1: Don't scoff at me. Parliament started again this week, right,

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Speaker 4: And the sleeper part, Wait, adam, wait.

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Speaker 1: Wait, it was a massive week to see that another age.

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Speaker 2: Do so, but do it quickly.

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Speaker 1: It shall be a very quick rattle an extra one

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Speaker 1: point seven billion dollars in funding to public hospitals next

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Speaker 1: year to quote help cut waiting lists, to reduce waiting

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Speaker 1: times in emergency rooms, and to manage ramping. All honorable,

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Speaker 1: all very good. There was legislation introduced by the government

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Speaker 1: for a three day guarantee on subsidized childcare. The cost

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Speaker 1: of living has been debated, no end. There's been some

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Speaker 1: great discussions over that. There's been arguments over the costings

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Speaker 1: of the Coalition's new business lunch tax deduction policy. Oh

446
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Speaker 1: smells like reform ADAM. New hate speech laws passed the Senate,

447
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Speaker 1: which included mandatory jail time for people found guilty of

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Speaker 1: displaying terror symbols. That one came off the back of

449
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Speaker 1: it of a truly disturbing rise in anti semitism in Australia,

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Speaker 1: which has been the subject of once again a lot

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Speaker 1: of debate, a lot of discussion in Australia in parliament

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Speaker 1: in Canberra this week. But and here here is the

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Speaker 1: sleeper component of this story. Nobody is listening. Everything is

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Speaker 1: about Donald Trump. Right. We have had a massive week

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Speaker 1: in our own federal parliament, in federal politics, even in

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Speaker 1: state politics, with legislation passing Barney's Galore, We're only what

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Speaker 1: a couple of months away from an election, one of

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Speaker 1: the most significant elections of the century, and nobody seems

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Speaker 1: to care because Donald Trump is sucking all of the

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Speaker 1: oxygen out of political discourse at the moment. This is

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Speaker 1: a sleeper story. I never thought I would say this,

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Speaker 1: but it is time for the politicians of Canberra to

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Speaker 1: get the spotlight.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, Sean, how do you define a sleeper story? Because

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Speaker 2: there's another big story around so where this is a

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Speaker 2: sleeper story because the other one's bigger, it's.

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Speaker 1: A sleeper story because I define sleeper stories every single week,

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Speaker 1: a story that's not getting the attention that it deserves.

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Speaker 1: And this is not getting the attention that it deserves

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Speaker 1: because all the headlines are going to one Donald J. Trump.

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Speaker 2: Okay, my sleeper story. How do you compete with that?

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: You surrender, you raise the right, the right, the.

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Speaker 2: Right, and the white flag. The right flag is definitely

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Speaker 2: up at the moment.

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Speaker 1: What was the cheese eating surrender monkeys? Is that? What

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Speaker 1: is that? How the Simpsons described the French wasn't it?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Seriously, cheese eating surrender monkeys. Yes, it's a beauty.

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Speaker 2: I've defined a sleeper story is one that's really under

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Speaker 2: the radar but has the potential to be massive in

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Speaker 2: the future. And I don't know anyway, Adam, you have

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Speaker 2: to sort this out. Mine's about Rio Tinto for the

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Speaker 2: first time this week it suggested that it could use

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Speaker 2: green energy for its massive aluminium smelter in Queensland. Why

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Speaker 2: do we care about that? Aluminum smelters use massive amounts

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Speaker 2: of energy. In fact, one of the most energy intensive

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Speaker 2: industrial processes there is, so these smelters run twenty four

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Speaker 2: hours a day. Problem with renewables. You know, when the

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Speaker 2: sun's out, it's great. When the wind's blowing, it's great.

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Speaker 2: But when that's not happening, well, no energy. Therefore, smelters

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Speaker 2: can't use renewables. What Rio reckons is that the cost

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Speaker 2: of batteries have fallen enough and their ability to improve

494
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Speaker 2: to store energy has improved enough that they can be

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Speaker 2: used for firming power. Firming power is basically to fill

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Speaker 2: the gaps when solar and wind aren't working. They're talking

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Speaker 2: about their smelters being green. In the world of green energy,

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Speaker 2: there's a few things like a few big energy used

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Speaker 2: as steel production being one, aluminium smeltering being another, where

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Speaker 2: we've never really thought that wind and solar could do it.

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Speaker 1: Suddenly the percentage of this is allocated towards melodrama. Adam. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: Seoran didn't mean to interrupt, just it's actually just a

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Speaker 1: point of order, because because I feel like this is

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Speaker 1: lacking a little something, just a little kind of bizaz

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Speaker 1: have you ever thought about it?

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Speaker 3: Don't listen to him, Sean, carry on unimpeded.

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Speaker 2: G g.

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Speaker 1: F say it, f F. That's what we want, that's

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Speaker 1: what we're here for. We want that.

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Speaker 2: This The point is Rio for the first time has

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Speaker 2: basically said renewables can run aluminium smelters. Wow, that is

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Speaker 2: big news for the future, big big news for the future.

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Speaker 2: But most of you, I mean, obviously, Michael, wake up.

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Speaker 2: Obviously anyone listening, if youre and greed would know about this,

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Speaker 2: but most people wouldn't. Adam.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So it's a massive story, Sean. But I'm going

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Speaker 3: to give this one to Michael, and not for the

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Speaker 3: reasons that Michael said so to me.

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Speaker 2: Could you imagine if if Adam was a judge in

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Speaker 2: court and they'd came by prevent the evidence and he'd say,

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Speaker 2: and he'd say, he'd say, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I've

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Speaker 2: been thinking about I've been reading this stuff on TikTok

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Speaker 2: actually on social media, truth social and I recoon this

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Speaker 2: is the answer.

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Speaker 3: So Rio Tinto's announcement is massive and what obviously the

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Speaker 3: world's needs much more infrastructure. So this is a huge

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Speaker 3: story and a really big sleeper story, very optimistic and

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Speaker 3: I hope it works, I think in the near term

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Speaker 3: in Australia for the economy at the moment. The sleeper

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Speaker 3: story here, Michael is how does how do our politicians

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Speaker 3: get above the Trump noise to get a message through

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Speaker 3: in an election?

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Speaker 2: He didn't say that difficult, But Michael didn't say that.

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Speaker 1: No, for words, that's what I said.

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Speaker 2: You can't actually decide that. In fact, Michael, will you

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Speaker 2: join with me. You can have the points. I'm not

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Speaker 2: worried about that. Can we can we.

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Speaker 5: Have a revolution the judge. We have asked the judge

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Speaker 5: to judge us, and instead and the first story he

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Speaker 5: gave a third story like the first of biggest story. Well,

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Speaker 5: he wanted to tell us about Elon.

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Speaker 2: Musk this time round. He said, no, Michael, you're wrong,

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Speaker 2: but this is the part that you missed, and this

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Speaker 2: is the important part. Like I've had this judge enough.

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Speaker 1: You know what. I have tried to incite a coup

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Speaker 1: so many times now and you have not risen with me.

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Speaker 2: Sean anyway, my point, you win that right, So one

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Speaker 2: and a half one and a half. When it comes

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Speaker 2: to the final story, let's judge ourselves. Adam has done

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Speaker 2: such a poor job. And I'm not even losing, Adam,

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Speaker 2: I'm not even losing. I'm just like, I'm over it.

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Speaker 2: I have everything this week.

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Speaker 1: Actually, you know, well, okay, who's going first on this one?

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Speaker 2: Though, I'll go first.

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Speaker 1: Give it to us.

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Speaker 2: Go, we're judging ourselves.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Good.

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Speaker 2: I love the fact that there's growing evidence that an

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Speaker 2: evening stroll after dinner, not before after dinner, can be

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Speaker 2: of great health benefit. Basically, if you go for a

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Speaker 2: stroll after six pm, you lower the risk of bowel cancer.

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Speaker 2: Some of us are worried about this. If you walk

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Speaker 2: in the evening, improved digestion regulate blood sugar proves your

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Speaker 2: blood pressure, aids weight loss if you walk in the evening.

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Speaker 2: Studies have found that physical activity is relaxing, so that

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Speaker 2: may reduce stress related inflammation or so good for cardiovascular metabolism,

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Speaker 2: especially by reducing blood pressure that in turn reduce stress, inflammation,

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Speaker 2: et cetera. Exercise helps you sleep better the factor that

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Speaker 2: reduces chronic stress and inflammation. I mean, this story is

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Speaker 2: all from the Daily Telegraph of London. It was written

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Speaker 2: this week and the bowel cancer research came out. But

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Speaker 2: all this stuff, we're bringing it all together this week.

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Speaker 2: It's important. Even researchers at the University of Sydney they

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Speaker 2: looked at the health and activity patterns of about eighty

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Speaker 2: thousand people. Anyone who works thirty eight anyone who walks

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Speaker 2: thirty eight hundred steps per day has a twenty five

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Speaker 2: percent lower risk of developing dementia all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: going for a stroll in the evening. I think it'd

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Speaker 2: be lovely for you too, with your respective partners, to

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Speaker 2: go for a stroll in the evening, maybe hold hands,

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Speaker 2: talk about the kids, talk about like why are you

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Speaker 2: too laughing? Because it's how are you too laughing?

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Speaker 1: Adam and I would be going for a roll together,

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Speaker 1: talking about our partners, walking out of.

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Speaker 4: The studio, clicking our heels.

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Speaker 2: That's a great story. It's just it just proves that

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Speaker 2: life is more than podcasts and stupid judges. Go for

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Speaker 2: a stroll. What, Michael, I'm.

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Speaker 1: Sure he wasn't talking about you, Adam, Oh no, he was. Okay,

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Speaker 1: trying to.

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Speaker 2: The stupid is an unfair characterization now that inconsistent judges

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Speaker 2: stupid is definitely not the right No, No, you apply

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Speaker 2: that to the decisions made. Yeah, yeah, but the person's

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Speaker 2: definitely not stupid.

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Speaker 1: Go on. I wish Adam was judging this category, like now,

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Speaker 1: I remember what I've decided, I remember what I'm actually

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Speaker 1: going to do. You know what I love? I love banks,

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Speaker 1: and I.

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Speaker 4: Love It's just not true anyway, go on.

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Speaker 1: I also love companies trying different things. And this week

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Speaker 1: we have my two great loves coming together to make

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Speaker 1: banks trying different things. And I think I'm not alone

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Speaker 1: in this love. Let me tell you what has happened

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Speaker 1: this week that has got me all riled up in

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Speaker 1: fondness for our banks. National Australia Bank, good Old NAB

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Speaker 1: has started opening on a Sunday. There's no day of

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Speaker 1: rest for the good folk at NAB. Admittedly it is

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Speaker 1: just one branch at the moment, but but but you

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Speaker 1: know what, Confucius once.

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Speaker 2: Said yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

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Speaker 1: About banks. He was talking about banks at the time,

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Speaker 1: and he said, the mighty tree of reform begins with

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Speaker 1: a single branch. He did, I'm pretty sure he did.

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Speaker 2: If he didn't say he was thinking about it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's it's a translation issue.

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Speaker 2: Things are looking up obviously then for the banks, And

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Speaker 2: why wouldn't they open on a Sunday?

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Speaker 1: This is a serious point though. Why wouldn't they open

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Speaker 1: on a Sunday? Yeah, because who can actually get to

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Speaker 1: the bank during business hours, especially not small businesses trying

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Speaker 1: to actually get to the bank to do their banking

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Speaker 1: during business hours because they're all busy running businesses. Right,

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Speaker 1: This is a common sense move. And look that's me

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Speaker 1: applauding NAB. Don't know if that worked, or maybe I

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Speaker 1: just defened everybody. I shouldn't have clapped right into the microphone.

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Speaker 1: That leads me then to what Westpac is doing. Clever, clever, clever.

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Speaker 1: They are offering businesses a year of basic legal assistance

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Speaker 1: through an Aussie startup called law Path. So we're talking

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Speaker 1: things like legal documents, business registration assistants, that kind of thing.

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Speaker 1: How smart is this? Westpac currently sits third behind NAB

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Speaker 1: and Commonwealth Bank on business banking. So this is a

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Speaker 1: superb example of a big bank right thinking outside the

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Speaker 1: box and looking after its customers. So this week, this

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00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: week I nominate the banks for my favorite story. They

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00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 1: are reforming the banking industry, turning this ship around, putting

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Speaker 1: the customer first and without wanting to overegg it too much,

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Speaker 1: bringing Australia into a new era of prosperity. Thank you, Adam.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well sold, Michael, but you lose so on this one.

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Speaker 1: Who said you were judging I didn't off the bench.

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Speaker 3: This is so I think the notion of getting off

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Speaker 3: the devices, getting off the couch and getting out in

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Speaker 3: about four our economy is a favorite story.

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Speaker 2: Economy either has nothing to do with business, has nothing.

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Speaker 1: To do with the conomy.

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Speaker 3: Adam, get out for an evening stroll, Go and talk

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00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 3: to some people, you know, maybe have a cup of

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00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 3: tea with them, really good neighborhoods.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you hate small business so much, Adam.

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Speaker 4: I love it.

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Speaker 3: This is what I'm supporting. So no, I think it's

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00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,879
Speaker 3: a great story and just so good, isn't it. It makes

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Speaker 3: complete sense like in Italy, I remember, you know, sort

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Speaker 3: of as a kid learning.

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Speaker 4: They go for walks all the time, after lunch, after dinner.

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Speaker 2: Part of their nice name drop did you live in

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Speaker 2: Italy when you were young?

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Speaker 4: I visited there as a kid, didn't live there?

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Speaker 1: Right, So hey, did I just lose? Overall?

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Speaker 4: So yeah, two and a half.

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Speaker 2: That's quite an effort, and we are actually longer than

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Speaker 2: we normally would.

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Speaker 1: Be brevity, brevity, my, but this is ridiculous. So what

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Speaker 1: was the points then, Adam?

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Speaker 4: Okay, let me just add them up. No, oh gosh,

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Speaker 4: it's actually.

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Speaker 1: Kind it's actually kind of close.

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Speaker 3: Okay, ninety three to ninety No, Sewan wins landslide. Well,

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Speaker 3: I gave you twenty five for the first one, is

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Speaker 3: that right? Twenty five each? Even though I was so

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Speaker 3: ninety three to ninety.

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Speaker 1: I don't think the public's going to stand for this,

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Speaker 1: just that that coup might be on its way, Adam.

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Speaker 4: The people learning over at the studio dot all, now.

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Speaker 1: That's right, they've got their pitchforks.

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Speaker 4: Don't need for baseball bats.

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Speaker 1: Nope, nope. All right, Thank you very much, Adam, Thank you, Michael,

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Speaker 1: thank you, Sean, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Sean, thank you, Michael, thank you, Adam.

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Speaker 1: And that was Fear and Greed. Had a great weekend.