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Speaker 1: I get a you, Bloody champions, Welcome to another installment

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Speaker 1: of not only the You Project, but also the fucking

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Speaker 1: Paul Taylor Podcast. Without the fucking at the start. It's

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Speaker 1: just the Paul Taylor Podcast, which is much better than mine. Body, brain,

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Speaker 1: bum toe, fucking project whatever it used to be called.

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad you changed it.

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Speaker 2: I think I'm putting this done as an AX redded

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Speaker 2: episode there in Creggummer.

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Speaker 1: Oh, sorry, I forgot yes so much on Sorry, I

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Speaker 1: do it.

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Speaker 2: Bit, but I probably don't have six wear words in

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Speaker 2: the intro. Generally, that's all right, all right.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. We'll do another one, just in case.

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Speaker 2: You want no, no, no, no no, let's just roll.

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Speaker 1: Also joining us on the callers Tiffany and Cook, who

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Speaker 1: has our own show, fuck it. While we're mentioning podcasts,

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Speaker 1: roll with the punches, Let's give everyone a little bit

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Speaker 1: of love. Tiffany and Cook over there wearing the typ

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Speaker 1: hat today Production manager Editor Chief Guru Hi tiv.

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Speaker 3: It's a good hat fits well.

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Speaker 4: I'm very good.

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Speaker 3: How are you HAPs and Tyler?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing I'm doing all right, I ask Pete. I

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Speaker 1: don't know he's he looks all right.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing all right.

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Speaker 4: I've got one tooth less than I had this morning,

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Speaker 4: but I'm doing all right.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, nothing so glamorous as that I

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Speaker 2: had had an abscess and it turns out the nerve

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Speaker 4: But I'll tell you what, it was pretty amazing. Went

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Speaker 2: She was brilliant, and she has this new three D

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Speaker 2: ray of my mouth and she showed me on both

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Speaker 2: sides of the of the mouth, just above the palate,

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Speaker 2: that's where your sinus is. I hadn't realized your sinus

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Speaker 2: is that close. And on the right hand side. My

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Speaker 2: immune system had dumped all of this inflammation because the

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Speaker 2: tooth infection had sort of punctured and got into the sinus.

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Speaker 2: So it's amazing to see the body reacting by just

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Speaker 2: jumping a whole heap of inflammation in there. So but yeah,

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Speaker 2: the tooth I had to come oute.

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Speaker 1: Are you A lot of people, like a disproportioned number

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Speaker 1: of people, are terrified of dentists, which I don't really

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Speaker 1: understand because I don't really hurt these days anywhere.

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Speaker 2: I actually said to the danist, I mean, I just

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Speaker 2: had a tooth extraction. I was like, that was completely

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Speaker 2: pain free. That's not what it was like twenty years ago.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what about you, Cookie? Do you do you go

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Speaker 1: the dentist regularly?

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Speaker 2: I do? I do.

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Speaker 3: I used to hate it when I was a kid

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Speaker 3: because I remember getting a tooth, getting the drill and

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Speaker 3: being told I was crying and she said, don't be

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Speaker 2: And the dentist.

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Speaker 3: You know, when the dental van used to come to

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Speaker 3: your school. What a terror?

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Speaker 2: What a terror that was.

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Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think getting a tooth out

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Speaker 1: in the back of a fucking high ace is a

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Speaker 1: great plan. Fucking now, sitting on a fucking egg crate

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Speaker 1: with Brian, with suppliers going, You'll be right, just hold

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Speaker 1: those those days are gone.

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Speaker 2: Fuck.

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Speaker 1: That's probably still the day to day operating system in Devonport,

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Speaker 1: isn't it. Shout out to all our friends in Devonport.

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Speaker 1: Fuck you know we just lost both listeners.

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Speaker 2: Ye oh dear, he's on one today. We can tell.

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Speaker 4: Now, did you get a workted in this morning?

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Speaker 2: Crag?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm training in an hour and fifty one

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Speaker 1: minutes with the crab, as is my normal sixteen hundred appointment.

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Speaker 1: But I'm good. I took some creatinine before. This is

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Speaker 1: not where we intended to go, but we never go

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Speaker 1: where we intended to go. We'll get there. But I've

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Speaker 1: started using creatine somewhat religiously in a way that I

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Speaker 1: never have in my life, not stupidly. Just five grams

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Speaker 1: took it ten to two. And again this is not

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Speaker 1: a recommendation anyone, but for me. I take NMN and

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Speaker 1: I take another thing called trimethyl glycine, and I take that.

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Speaker 1: I mix it all together my brain because and it

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Speaker 1: brain works better like one hunt. Not one hundred percent better,

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Speaker 2: So yeah, there is very good research now upo the

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Speaker 2: briand and cognitive benefits of creating, which and I talk

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Speaker 2: everybody should be taking creating five grams a day, because

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Speaker 2: if we think about it, we have three energy systems

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Speaker 2: in the body, right, we have aeral big energy system,

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Speaker 2: then we have our diacolytic energy from our anaerobic energy system,

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Speaker 2: and then we have ATPPC. So ATPPC you know, as

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Speaker 2: you know, graig is typically sprint fast par explosive stuff

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Speaker 2: last about ten seconds. But the PC stands for fossil creating.

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Speaker 2: And it turns out that creating can actually cross the

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Speaker 2: bloodbeing barrier and fuel your brain sales. And it's actually

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Speaker 2: been shown to be really effective if you've had poor sleep,

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Speaker 2: because we know that your cognitive performance drops off a

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Speaker 2: cliff with per sleep and creating Emily, it's the decline

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Speaker 1: That's interesting. You say that because I read day. When

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Speaker 1: I say I read a paper, you and I both know.

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Speaker 1: When I say I read a paper, I read the

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Speaker 1: fucking synopsis and the results. I read the intro. But

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Speaker 1: they did a study recently which you may or may

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Speaker 1: not have read exactly what you are talking about, using

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Speaker 1: creating to a milia ate orgate whatever shitty sleep. But

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Speaker 1: they used thirty grams a day. Wow, Yeah, thirty grams

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Speaker 1: a day people, not on the Gary Glitter fucking hell.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's a lot of work, right, cockney rhyming slang,

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, I got it. Personal upset.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so on the ship he means so, actually, you.

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Speaker 2: Know what, you can't You have to remove that from

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Speaker 2: cockney rhyming slang now because Gary Glitter is a pedophyte. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: well so we can't say that anymore.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for bringing that up. Thanks. Well, he's dead, isn't he.

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Speaker 2: He's dead or still he might be dead. Can you

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Speaker 4: I hope he's dead because he's an individual.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, he's.

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Speaker 1: An able fuck And thanks for taking that detour in

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Speaker 1: our otherwise friendly, come fucking hell to me. So how

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Speaker 1: do we go from creating to Gary very glitter? But anyway,

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Speaker 1: so if you're wondering how much is five grams? Everyone,

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Speaker 1: it's about a flat ish teaspoon depending on the slide,

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Speaker 1: think it's the most researched supplement ever.

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Speaker 2: It is. It's the most research un safest actually, so

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Speaker 2: it's just yeah, I'd say that people get on the

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Speaker 1: How old are you now?

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Speaker 1: How do you feel like? I know this is a

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Speaker 2: Though? I actually feel really good at the minute, despite

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Speaker 2: my recent diagnosis, which I don't think I've told you about.

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Speaker 2: I went to see I played soccer. Well, I've stopped

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Speaker 2: playing soccer and because I entered my knee. But I

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Speaker 2: And then he sat me down and said, look, fitness wise,

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Speaker 1: Fucking hell, did con you? So you've got two instead

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Speaker 4: I got a yeah, two leaves, And what happens?

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Speaker 2: You're supposed to have three leafs in your aortic valve,

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Speaker 4: And I said, well, don I'm ex military.

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Speaker 2: When you go to war, you want to go to

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Speaker 2: The longer I wait, the weaker I'm going to get.

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Speaker 2: Because I'm fifty three, and the longer I wait, the

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Speaker 2: into my head, the stoic philosopher. He says, I pity

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Speaker 2: the man who has never faced adversity, because he's never

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Speaker 1: worrying about your stressing about you're creating a cordisole response

435
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 1: in reaction to something that isn't real. You do that

436
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 1: often enough and then you create something that's fucking real.

437
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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, because that chronic cord is all I mean,

438
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 2: I'll tell you better than anybody with oscar with this

439
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 2: Cushing's disease. Yes, chronic elevated cordisol is so damaging to

440
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 2: the body and the brand.

441
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Speaker 4: And there's I think there's a number of factors at

442
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Speaker 4: play here.

443
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 2: I think that modern society is creating a generation of

444
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 2: people who are half human half mere cut.

445
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Speaker 1: Well, let's go on, right, what will we call this hybrid?

446
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 2: I don't know. We need we need to create a

447
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 2: new for it, because it's like a new race that

448
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 2: has come. And so everybody knows what mayor cats are

449
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 2: I think you know, yeah, you see the Mayor cats

450
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 2: with David.

451
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 4: Attenborough and that they are and they're up on their hind.

452
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 2: Legs looking for danger, right, always looking for or at

453
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 2: least a few of them are always looking on the

454
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 2: lookout for danger. And that's what society has become. And

455
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 2: I think there's a number of factors at play here.

456
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 2: And I've been thinking about this, not not from I

457
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 2: hadn't heard those statistics that you were talking about. I

458
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 2: was thinking more about mental health issues and anxiety depression.

459
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 2: There is I think a number of factors at play.

460
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Speaker 2: One is too much information human The human brain has

461
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 2: never ever meant to take in that much information that

462
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 2: we are exposing ourselves to you, and so much of

463
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 2: it is negative. Right, there's just negative news. You know,

464
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 2: we are not supposed to know about millions of people's

465
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,919
Speaker 2: woes at one time, right, And all of this stuff.

466
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 2: And then there's doctor Google, where people can then google stuff.

467
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 2: Whenever they have anything at all, they google stuff. And

468
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 2: if they have a predisposition to being anxious at all,

469
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 2: which we used to call a bit of a worry wart,

470
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 2: but now it's medicalized, then they start to catastrophize.

471
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 4: Now I think that the stuff that then plays into this.

472
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Speaker 2: There was an umbrella review published about two months ago

473
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 2: into Ultra Process for Consumption. So, just to explain for

474
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Speaker 2: the listeners, a systematic review meta analysis is where you

475
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 2: take lots of different studies that have been published on

476
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 2: a topic and the researchers weed out the crap and

477
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 2: then they pull all the data together and they get

478
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Speaker 2: stronger data. So an umbrella review is where there's a

479
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Speaker 2: number of different systematic reviews and meta analys and they

480
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 2: pull all of that data together, and that's where we

481
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 2: start to get pretty strong evidence. And then there's this

482
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 2: protocol you go through that can enhance the strength of

483
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 2: observational evidence. Right, is there animal studies being done that

484
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 2: show the same thing as their plausible biological mechanisms? Is

485
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 2: there a dose response all of these things? And what

486
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 2: this Umbrella review showed that increasing ultra processed foods in

487
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 2: the diet increased the risk of anxiety by forty eight

488
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Speaker 2: percent and common mental health disorder by fifty three percent.

489
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Speaker 2: Right now in the States, in the United Kingdom, and

490
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Speaker 2: I would bet my house in Australia more than fifty

491
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 2: percent of all foods consumed our ultra process crap. So

492
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 2: we're eating shit that is negatively affecting our brains. What

493
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 2: we're also doing is not moving very much, which is

494
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 2: negatively affecting our brains and increasing the risk of anxiety

495
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 2: and depression. And then we have all this social media

496
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 2: where there's all this upwards comparison, right where you're comparing

497
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 2: yourself to the best little snapshots of people's lives that

498
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 2: isn't really real, but they're more handsome than you. They're

499
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 2: richer than you, they're in better shape than you, and

500
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 2: that creates a negativity bias in the brain, and all

501
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 2: of these things feed into each other. So I think

502
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 2: when you have a brain that has been then primed

503
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 2: to be predisposed to anxiety depression, and then you combine

504
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 2: that with access to all of this health information and

505
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 2: stuff on the news, that's maybe just lingering in the

506
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 2: back of people's minds. I'm not surprised that it's five percent,

507
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 2: and wouldn't be surprised if it if it was ten

508
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 2: percent per psychology today. But this is my point about

509
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 2: we are creating a generation of meerkats, and not to

510
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 2: detract from this subject. We can circle back to this

511
00:29:56,040 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 2: one though. But the other thing is constantly talking about feelings,

512
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 2: and with kids constantly being asked how they're feeling and

513
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 2: being in touch with their feelings and stuff like that

514
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 2: makes it fucking worse. Guess what happens if you're constantly

515
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 2: being asked do you feel okay? Do you feel sad?

516
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:18,719
Speaker 2: Do you feel depressed?

517
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 4: On the fuck?

518
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 2: Maybe I do, right. I think it's just becoming worse.

519
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 2: And I actually think that the mental health industry is

520
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 2: minting clients. Yeah, yeah, just like the Central Bank mints

521
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 2: money every now and in it prints it. Because you

522
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 2: talked about the DSM and Professor Mark Horowitz, who was

523
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 2: on my podcast, has said there's been a progressive loosening

524
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 2: of the guidelines for mental health issues in DSM and

525
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 2: the case for antidepressants, and he said, according to the

526
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 2: newest DSM, eighty five percent of adults in Australia meet

527
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Speaker 2: the criteria for being on an antidepressant.

528
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Speaker 1: Yeah, back back.

529
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 2: Also, sorry, just to throw this into the eighty five percent,

530
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 2: I believe of anti of psychiatric medication in this country

531
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 2: is prescribed by non psychiatric doctors.

532
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it is a slippery slope. And I mean,

533
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: you've got to be careful, don't you what you say?

534
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: But I'm with you. It's like there are people with

535
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: obviously people with real mental health issues who really need

536
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: to be looked after and all of that. But you

537
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: get to the point where I don't think she'd mind.

538
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,239
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you a quick story. Oh, by

539
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 1: the way, have I spoken to you about that book

540
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: called Bad Therapy?

541
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 2: Paul, I've got it. I'm reading it. Breton.

542
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: How good is that?

543
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 2: Everybody needs to read that book.

544
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: Yep, so it's by I think her name is Abigail Shreyer,

545
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: isn't it. Yeah, yeah, and yeah great. But essentially she's saying,

546
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: for some people, talk therapy makes it worse.

547
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 2: Correct, And the research is clear on this right that

548
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 2: for not quite a lot of people, talk therapy mixed

549
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 2: stuff for us. And again I will reinforce what you said, Greg,

550
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 2: this is this is not about judgment. We're not judging

551
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 2: anybody here at all. We're just talking about what the

552
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 2: science actually says.

553
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: I had a young girl that trains often with Tiff.

554
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: Her name's Ash, so Ash has been on the show.

555
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: She's great. She lost a seventy kilos Paul, So she

556
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: went from one thirty or it might have been seventy five.

557
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: I got a massive amount of weight. And this is

558
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: not giving anything away. She had she didn't have lap band.

559
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: She just lost it with exercise and great diet. And

560
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: you know, she did an amazing job. Then she had

561
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: surgery because of the skin. And now she's been training

562
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: for a while and she trains really well. But she's

563
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: young and fit and strong and healthy. And the other

564
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: day she was in the gym and and you know,

565
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: I have this whole. I call them my merry band

566
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: of misfits, all these people that I kind of help

567
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: about six or seven tips in the rotation, and people

568
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: just people just turn up when I go well, look

569
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: like people ring me and go what time are you

570
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: at the gym? And then like I don't go to

571
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: the gym to train anyone. I say, this is when

572
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: I will be there. If you turn up, I'll tell.

573
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 2: You what to do. Right.

574
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: So she's one of them. Anyway. The other day I'm

575
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: training and about three times she's like through the session,

576
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: why are you so mean to me? Why are you

577
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: so hard on me? Why are you so mean to me?

578
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 5: And I'm like, I just didn't say anything, didn't say anything.

579
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 5: And at the end I go, come over here, champ,

580
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 5: and she's like, oh am, I in trouble, you know,

581
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 5: and people I go, no, I just sat it down

582
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 5: and I go, okay here. Firstly, it ain't my job

583
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 5: to make you feel good, and she's like, you know how,

584
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 5: and I said, this is my job.

585
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: My job is to help you the best version of

586
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: you can that you can be in the gym, to

587
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: explore your physiological potential. You're like, from where you've come,

588
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: you're fucking amazing. However, you are not training hard, but

589
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: you think you're training hard. I go, you've got a

590
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: story in your head of how hard you're training. This

591
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: thing called rate of perceived exertion, right, which is your

592
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 1: assessment of how hard you think you're working. You think

593
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: you're working at eight or nine, you're working at four.

594
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: I said, I'm not telling you this to make you

595
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: feel bad. I'm telling you this because I want you

596
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: to have a fucking revelation and train at a level

597
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: that's really going to create some kind of adaptation, which

598
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: is what you want. What you want is change, what

599
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: you want is improvement. And it's just sitting there and

600
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 1: I go, I'm not I'm telling you this because you've

601
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 1: got more potential than you realize. But every time you

602
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,760
Speaker 1: go to me, ah ah ah, I go, you're fucking

603
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: yourself up and it's annoying, right, and it makes me

604
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:01,439
Speaker 1: want to train you less. So anyway, she went home

605
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: and then she sent me a big long message going,

606
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: thank you for the talk. I realized, blah blah blah.

607
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: And then I saw her maybe three or four days later.

608
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: She goes, you were right. She goes, I'm so much

609
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 1: like she's been training herself. She goes, I didn't realize

610
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: how fucking strong. Well, she didn't say, fuck how strong

611
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: I am? And I go, right, I go, here's the thing,

612
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: like when you are not that everyone needs to train

613
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: like a maniac. But we have a story in our

614
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: head about what is hard. Yes, and when you believe

615
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: the story, it's hard.

616
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 2: I go, mane, that's I go.

617
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 1: You're twenty seven years old, you've got no injuries, and

618
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: you've been training for years. You don't know how, you know,

619
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: Like when Tiff came in, because Tiff, Tiff does have

620
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: a higher threshold naturally, and she'd been boxing and punched

621
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: in the face. Yes, shit like her you know, work

622
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: is Yeah, her level was straight up in eight or nine.

623
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to throw Ash under the bus

624
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: because we love Ash. But if I'd say to Tiff,

625
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: do who you know? Like she was deadlifting over one

626
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: hundred k's in weeks, in weeks of having started deadlifting,

627
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: you know, I mean some people train for five years

628
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: and never get close to that, you know. So yeah,

629
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 1: but it is just that I think we've got to

630
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: be aware of our stories and hit the pause button,

631
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,879
Speaker 1: you know, it's like your story is this is a challenge. Fuck,

632
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: this is good. I'm ready, you know, And that I

633
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: just think, rather than rather than being the victim of

634
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: your circumstances, just hit the pause button. And that's not

635
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: to say there are no victims there. Of course, there

636
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: are very real victims, and there are legitimate terrible situations.

637
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: But just being able to kind of, I guess, create

638
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: our own reality consciously rather than have it created for

639
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: us by external forces that we think we can't control.

640
00:36:55,640 --> 00:37:01,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, And that story about what hard that applies

641
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:07,280
Speaker 2: not just to training but to life in general and psychologically.

642
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 4: And that's what I was getting at with the meerkats.

643
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 2: Is that and when you're constantly focused and like your

644
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 2: bringing commits sales to whatever you pay attention to. So

645
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 2: all of this attention on feelings and mental health I

646
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 2: think is making stuff a lot worse. And I think

647
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 2: the higher up you are on and this is that

648
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 2: there's no evidence for this whatsoever. Right, it's just a

649
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 2: hunch that I had the other day.

650
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Speaker 4: The higher up that we get on Maslow's hierarchy of needs,

651
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 4: the more prone we become to becoming meerkats, right, because

652
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 4: we don't have real problems like you talk about real.

653
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 2: But I mean everybody. I'm fucking sick to the back

654
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 2: teeth of Australians talking about how hard life is. It's

655
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 2: not frigging hard in this country, even for the people

656
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 2: who are doing it tough. That's not hard. Right. If

657
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 2: you're over the twenty seven you have outlived the average

658
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 2: individual who lived in the sixteen fifties. If you have

659
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 2: a roof over your head and running water and food security,

660
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 2: you got a better than ninety nine point nine percent

661
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 2: of homost appiens who have ever walked this earth. I'm

662
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 2: fucking sick of this. Life is so hard in this country.

663
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 2: It's not for the vast majority of people, but it's whatever.

664
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 2: It's to your point, it's not just about the story

665
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 2: that we tell us, but it's about our experiences as well.

666
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 2: So I like to talk about a catastrophe skill and

667
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 2: there are people who talk about their anxiety or their trauma,

668
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 2: and all it is is being done by a boyfriend

669
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 2: or going into an exam, right, And I hate the

670
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 2: dilution of this word trauma that is now out there.

671
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 2: And you know what I heard today? A moral injury? Fuck?

672
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 4: See it, Like, what's a moral injury, moral injury.

673
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: What about me calling you a count moral injuries?

674
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 2: That's a moral injury. Yes, And it's like we have

675
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 2: just become meerkats, like completely uber sensitive to anything, like

676
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 2: you want to see life or go and live in

677
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 2: Sudan right now. You see last week there was there

678
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,280
Speaker 2: was a guy come in and killed over one hundred kids.

679
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 2: Go and live in Burma right now. People have no

680
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 2: idea what's been going on in Burma for the last

681
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 2: two years, that civil war, and there are tens of

682
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 2: thousands of people who've been being killed over there in Somalia,

683
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 2: like the shit that's happening there as well as I mean,

684
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 2: everybody's aware obviously of Gaza and the atrocities that happened

685
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 2: in Israel and nigh in Lebanon, but there's a whole

686
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 2: heap of shit happening all around the world, and there

687
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 2: are families all around the world who just cannot afford

688
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 2: to feed their kids. Right and then we've got people

689
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 2: in Australia with forty nch TVs and fucking highphilons talking

690
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 2: about high hide lifers. I'm over it.

691
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and also further to that, it's like, hey,

692
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: can you get up out of your chair and walk.

693
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: Can you turn on a tap and get cold water?

694
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 1: Can you push a button then the room gets cooler

695
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 1: or warmer? Do you have a car?

696
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 3: Do you like?

697
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: Can you you know? I like when I meet Joel,

698
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: my friend who was also in the military and is

699
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: now quadriplegic. He's been on the show a couple of time.

700
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: Shout out to Joel Sardi. Just you know, like it

701
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 1: takes him three four hours every morning to get ready,

702
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: just to be able to to start the day. Yeah,

703
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: you know, and he's got to have any My mindy

704
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 1: saying this is, you know, he's got to have a

705
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: nurse come in and stick a suppository up his ars

706
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 1: so he can clear his bows. And then he's got

707
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: to washed. Somebody's got to wipe his ass, wash his

708
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: ass and do all. You know, Now, tell me about

709
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: your trauma. Well, now tell me about how hard. And

710
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: we're not, of course, you know, we know people do

711
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: have real trauma. We're not discounting that, but.

712
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 2: It is, you know, it's like it's the difference between

713
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 2: between capital T trauma and small T trauma. So trauma

714
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 2: the original definition was a genuine concern for your own life,

715
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 2: of the life of a loved one who's somebody who's

716
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 2: close to you. Right, it was something like that, it's

717
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 2: not forbetum. But now it's been completely diluted, as have

718
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 2: lots of the other criteria for mental health issues, and

719
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 2: then people are expecting to have, you know, feelings are

720
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 2: being medicated and medicalized ni You know, we look at

721
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 2: when people that I know several people who are on

722
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 2: antidepressants because a loved one died. That didn't happen thirty

723
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 2: or forty years ago. Right. That's and the research is

724
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 2: really clear is that most people when a loved one dies,

725
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 2: they really struggle for three to six months and then

726
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 2: they slowly get better by themselves. But what's happening is

727
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 2: these people are going to see the doctor within a

728
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 2: week and the doctor is going, right, bomb, you have

729
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 2: an antidepressant, and then a year later, two years later,

730
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 2: they're still only antidepressant. Now that brings to mind creg

731
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 2: There's one thing I just thought I would pull up

732
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 2: here a research paper by John Reid, who is either

733
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 2: clinical psychologist or psychiatrist at the School of Psychology at

734
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 2: the University of East London, and he's published a number

735
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 2: of different papers and one of these was experiences of

736
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 2: five hundred and eighty five people when they tried to

737
00:42:52,000 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 2: withdraw from anti psychotic drugs. Reported classical withdrawal symptoms including nausea, tremor's, anxiety, agitation,

738
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 2: and headaches, and quite a few of them reported having

739
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:14,280
Speaker 2: frequent insomnia and feelings of a suicidal ideation.

740
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Speaker 1: Wow.

741
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 2: And he has also published research papers on antidepressants and

742
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 2: the side effects from them, and they are it's a

743
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 2: horror show, right, And I'm going off the top of

744
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 2: my head on this one because I don't have it,

745
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 2: have it with me right now. But it was something

746
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 2: like sixty percent of people prescribed an antidepressant report feeling

747
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:50,720
Speaker 2: not like themselves. A chunk of them get suicidal thoughts.

748
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 2: I think about fifty percent of them report having sexual

749
00:43:56,120 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 2: dysfunction that can often persist for years. Actually, here, just

750
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 2: find something, right, So this is a research paper and

751
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 2: I'm I'll happy to send the link. Right. Fourteen hundred

752
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 2: and thirty one patients from thirty one different countries right,

753
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 2: all on antidepressants peer reviewed stuff find that sixty one

754
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 2: percent of patients reported at least ten side effects, most

755
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 2: common feeling emotionally numb, seventy one percent, feeling foggy or detached,

756
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 2: seventy percent, feeling not like myself sixty six percent, sexual

757
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 2: difficulties sixty six percent, sixty three percent drowsiness, reduction in

758
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 2: positive feelings sixty percent, suicidality as a result of the

759
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 2: drugs fifty percent, withdrawal effects if you try to come

760
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 2: off fifty nine percent, and feeling of addiction to the

761
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 2: drugs forty percent. And a study of eighteen hundred New

762
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 2: Zealanders find very similar results and less than five percent

763
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,919
Speaker 2: of patients were told by these potential side effects. Yes, yes,

764
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:08,280
Speaker 2: this is the big issue, particularly with non psychiatric doctors

765
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 2: precribing psychiatric medication, is that they are not a worthy

766
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 2: is because what happened when these drugs got approved.

767
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 4: They only tested for a couple of different side effects.

768
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:20,959
Speaker 2: And guess what happens if you don't test for certain

769
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 2: side effects about them, they don't fucking exist, right. So

770
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 2: the warnings and the labels and the stuff that the

771
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 2: doctor's getting is these drugs are pretty safe, whereas the

772
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 2: experiences of real people say this is far from the truth. No,

773
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 2: what's clear, and we need to be clear on this.

774
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 2: If you have major depression. Psychiatric drugs can be a lifesaver,

775
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 2: particularly in combination with psychotherapy, but for most people who

776
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 2: are on them, they actually don't need to be on them,

777
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 2: and if they were told about all these side effects,

778
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:03,879
Speaker 2: probably would say no, particularly when we know that exercise

779
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 2: absolutely trump's antidepressant medication in terms of its effectiveness. Research

780
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 2: in Iran showed that saffron is as effective as antidepressants.

781
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 2: Other research shows that certain bacteria are as effective as

782
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 2: antidepressants as well, nutrition as well. And if you combine exercise,

783
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 2: good nutrition, good sleep, hygene takes saffron and take some probiotics.

784
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 4: I'm sure that the sum there's a summing effect of those.

785
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: Well, I think the unis I did one last year.

786
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: I think that wheeled Down. It might have been the

787
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 1: year before last year in December, and yeah, like they

788
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: exercise was one hundred and fifty percent more effective than

789
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: the best antidepressant.

790
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I was reading a research paper right now.

791
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 2: Effect of resistance training. Resistance exercise training on depressive symptoms

792
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 2: among young adults are randomized control trial, right, so for

793
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 2: the listeners to understand this, Cohen's d effects size, which

794
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:22,720
Speaker 2: you'll understand creed. But point three is a small effects size,

795
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 2: which means it's slightly better than placebo.

796
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 4: Point five I think it's maybe it's point two.

797
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 2: Sorry. Point two is a small effects size, point five

798
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 2: is a moderate effects size, and point eight is a

799
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 2: large effects size. Antidepressants when and this isn't me. This

800
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 2: is research by psychiatrists who got the non published data

801
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 2: that the pharmaceutical industry tried to hide. When they pull

802
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 2: all of that together, antidepressants average out at about zero

803
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 2: point three, so marginally better than placebo and generally don't

804
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 2: really is are reduced the clinical scores on the Hamilton

805
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 2: I think it's the Hamilton thing enough to have a

806
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 2: clinical effect, right, So there, But that's not saying that

807
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 2: they don't have any effect, because placebo actually works as well.

808
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 4: Right.

809
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:13,280
Speaker 2: But we know that exercise in general has a large

810
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 2: effect size about not point Yet this study on young

811
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 2: adults with doing resistance training, which hasn't been well studied

812
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 2: so far, showed an effect size of one point seven.

813
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 1: Fuckel, what's the name of that paper, bro?

814
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:32,720
Speaker 2: It is Effects of resistance exercise training on depressive symptoms

815
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 2: amongst young adults. A randomized controlled trial published in Psychiatry Research,

816
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three.

817
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 1: So if you're a non academic person, which is a

818
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: lot of our listeners, you can you can probably find

819
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: maybe find that in thing called Google.

820
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 4: Google scholar, scholar you just you know what we can

821
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 4: we can put that.

822
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,760
Speaker 2: I can send you a link to it on popmed

823
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 2: and people can just click on the link and use it.

824
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 2: But that lowse the best antidepressants out of the water.

825
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 1: But the problem is doesn't make anyone. It doesn't make

826
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: anyone any money. Bro.

827
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's hard. It's harder to do than than

828
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 2: popping a pill. Right, So this comes back in the

829
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 2: stories that we tell ourselves.

830
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: It's inconvenient, it's uncomfortable, it's not fucking quick, it's not instant. Well,

831
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: it is actually pretty quick. You do get you know,

832
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 1: you might not build muscle rapidly, but you'll definitely get

833
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 1: symptom reduction quite quickly when you start lifting weights, usually

834
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 1: within a few days.

835
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. And so for me, I'd love to see it

836
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 2: where people go to the doctor and the doctor goes

837
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 2: and I know a couple of doctors who do something

838
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 2: similar to this. The doctor writes her two different scripts,

839
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 2: one script for an antidepressant and one script for exercise right,

840
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 2: and what they should do is handle scripts over and

841
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 2: go here's the one for the antidepressant. This is going

842
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 2: to be less effective. And here's all the side effects.

843
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,240
Speaker 2: It's a seventy one percent chance your feeling number, seventy

844
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 2: percent chance you feel foggy, sixty six percent you won't

845
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 2: feel like yourself, fifty percent chance you'll be suicidal, sixty

846
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 2: percent chance you'll have a reduction and positive feelings and

847
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 2: be drowsy, or I can prescribe you this exercise one.

848
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,280
Speaker 2: And the side effects are there's a small risk of injury,

849
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 2: and there's a reasonable chance that you might get in

850
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 2: better shape and get more rooft mcgofty.

851
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,399
Speaker 1: Hoofty mcgufty. Before we wind up, how'd you play?

852
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 2: I stay? Go on?

853
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: What's the update? Where are you at?

854
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I am.

855
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 4: I've analyzed.

856
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 2: All of the psychological data that we tested, so we've

857
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 2: got statistically significant improvements in hardiness both of control, challenge

858
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 2: and commitment, statistically significant improvements in mood, and significant reductions

859
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 2: in perceived stress. What I've now got to do is

860
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 2: get and analyze all the data around heart rate variability

861
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 2: and cognitive function.

862
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 1: So fuck all, you've got not much to do. What's

863
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 1: your what's your what's your at?

864
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Speaker 2: I do you reckon on completing the entire PhD?

865
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Speaker 1: On on handing all your shit in and if if

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Speaker 1: if if.

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Speaker 2: And it's a big if IF. I think I'll get

868
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 2: two papers out of this study. I'll get one on

869
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Speaker 2: the baseline interactions between the psychological data, the heart rate

870
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 2: variability and the cognitive function, and then I'll get another

871
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 2: paper on the the intervention itself. Hopefully that will be

872
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 2: enough to get my PhD by publication. If it's not,

873
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 2: I have to go and do another study, which I'll

874
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,399
Speaker 2: probably do in the military, but that'll add another six

875
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 2: to eight months. So best case scenario is I finish

876
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 2: on time in about April next year, but it may

877
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 2: end up being next Christmas. I think you're going to

878
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 2: beat me, you bastard. I don't know.

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00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: I might just I don't, I don't know. I've got

880
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: a I'm writing three papers at the moment and a thesis,

881
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: so I also a systematic literature review and you know

882
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 1: how quick they are?

883
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Speaker 2: Nice?

884
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, Paul Taylor, Tiffany and Cook tiff

885
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 1: show is called Roll with the punches. Of course the

886
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: Paul Taylor Show. Anything you want to plug mate, while you're.

887
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 4: Here, I should probably plug yours the you project to

888
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 4: my listeners.

889
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 1: We could do that. We could do that. Yeah, we

890
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: should get together and do something next year in our

891
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:44,879
Speaker 1: spare time.

892
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me shore that.

893
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: We've always talked about that. But you and I should

894
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 1: do a one day thing. Tiff can MC the day.

895
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that will be all subject to me defeating

896
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 2: my was the opponent and not the other way around.

897
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll try not.

898
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 2: To die, actually try not to die.

899
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 1: I couldn't ask most people this, and I wouldn't, but

900
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 1: fuck at you and me are the what are the

901
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 1: chances that it doesn't work out?

902
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 2: Great?

903
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've looked at that.

904
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Speaker 2: Of course I've looked at it. It is less than

905
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 2: one percent for that procedure. And the way I look

906
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 2: at that is, well, that's everybody who's been through the operation,

907
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 2: and I'll kind of back myself against others. But interesting

908
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 2: you say that, because I did a whole risk analysis, right,

909
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 2: So you can't just bury your head in the sand

910
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 2: on this. So the way the way I look at

911
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 2: risk is what's the chance of the outcome? So not

912
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 2: my case, probably half a percent, maybe less, But what's

913
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 2: the impact if it does happen? And in my case massive, Right,

914
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 2: So that's why I'm actually going back to the UK

915
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,720
Speaker 2: just before Christmas, see my folks and see all my metes.

916
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 2: I'm going to have a just in case party, and

917
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Speaker 2: I'm going to have a just in case party for

918
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Speaker 2: my friends here in Australia, and the theme will be

919
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,320
Speaker 2: a heart and I think i'll dress up as the

920
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 2: Grim Reaper.

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Speaker 1: You're a fucking idiot. Are you telling your friends and

922
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:21,280
Speaker 1: family at home that it's a justin Kaise party?

923
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll tell them when we when we kick it off,

924
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 2: Yeah for sure.

925
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 3: It's Kira making a heart cake.

926
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Speaker 4: It is car Yes, I'm going to I'm going to

927
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 4: get Kiara to make me a heart cake.

928
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Speaker 2: But in all seriousness that the one thing that I

929
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Speaker 2: am doing is also getting my EFFURSI in order, because

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Speaker 2: it would be remissive me not too write. And I

931
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Speaker 2: think the trickiest thing is going to be I'm lucky

932
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Speaker 2: that my kids are no interest in listening to my podcast, right,

933
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Speaker 2: I think the hardest thing in all of this is

934
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Speaker 2: going to be I'm going to be recording videos for

935
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Speaker 2: my kids, for like their twenty first birthday party, for

936
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Speaker 2: their for their weddings, for that sort of shit, and

937
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Speaker 2: just in kiss right, I love that.

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Speaker 1: I know TIFs traumatized by that, but I love it.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 3: Firstly, you got half traumatized and half thinking of that

941
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 3: beautiful show, Pierce. I love you, how beautiful.

942
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Speaker 2: I've got no idea what that shows.

943
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 1: I don't got no idea what that is. Either.

944
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Speaker 2: We're both doing fucking PhDs. We don't watch TV, and.

945
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Speaker 1: We're both fucking We're both we're both bullf eds. So

946
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Speaker 1: fucking yeah, all right, well mate, you fuck You'll be

947
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 1: fine because we need to do some work together next year.

948
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Speaker 1: But we appreciate you. We'll say goodbye our fair of

949
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: course we'll talk. I better get invited to your fucking

950
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Speaker 1: just in Case party, the Australian version two, by the way.

951
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 2: And I tell you what, you better turne up in

952
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 2: fancy draws so you're not getting in what's is there

953
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:58,839
Speaker 2: a theme or just anything? Heart? It's a heart theme?

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Speaker 1: Hell that that's kind of I might have to jump

955
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: on bloody chat GPT for some ideas.

956
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:11,839
Speaker 2: Indeed, man good old Better's military gallious humor. You can't

957
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 2: beat it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right mate, I appreciate you, Thanks Buddy, Thanks Tiff, cheers, gotcha,