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Speaker 1: I'll get a bloody champions. Welcome to another installment of

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Speaker 1: not only the You Project, but also the fucking Paul

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Speaker 1: Taylor Podcast. Without the fucking at the start. It's just

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Speaker 1: the Paul Taylor Podcast, which is much better than mine. Body, brain,

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Speaker 1: bum toe, fucking project whatever it used to be called.

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad you changed it.

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Speaker 2: I think I'm putting this done as an AX redded

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Speaker 2: episode there in Creggummer.

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Speaker 1: Oh, sorry, I forgot so much on. Sorry, I do it.

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Speaker 2: Bit, but I probably don't have six wear words in

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Speaker 2: the intro. Generally, that's all right, all right.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. We'll do another one, just in case.

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Speaker 2: You want no, no, no, no no, let's just roll.

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Speaker 1: Also joining us on the callers Tiffany and Cook, who

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Speaker 1: has our own show, fuck it. While we're mentioning podcasts,

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Speaker 1: roll with the punches, Let's give everyone a little bit

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Speaker 1: of love. Tiffany and Cook over there wearing the typ

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Speaker 1: hat today Production manager Editor Chief Guru Hi tiv.

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Speaker 3: It's a good hat fits well.

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Speaker 2: I'm very good.

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Speaker 3: How are you HAPs and Tyler?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing I'm doing all right, I ask Pete. I

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Speaker 1: don't know he's he looks all right.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing all right. I've got one tooth less than

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Speaker 2: I had this morning, but I'm doing all right. No, no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: nothing so glamorous as that I had had an abscess

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Speaker 2: and it turns out the nerve had died. But i'll

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Speaker 2: tell you what it was fretting amazing. Went to the dentist.

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Speaker 2: She was brilliant, and she has this new three D

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Speaker 2: X ray machine where it did a three D X

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Speaker 2: ray of my mouth, and she showed me on both

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Speaker 2: sides of the of the mouth, just above the palate,

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Speaker 2: that's where your sinus is. I hadn't realized your sinus

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Speaker 2: is that close. And on the right hand side. My

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Speaker 2: immune system had dumped all of this inflammation because the

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Speaker 2: tooth infection had sort of punctured and got into the sinus.

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Speaker 2: So it's amazing to see the body reacting by just

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Speaker 2: jumping a whole heap of inflammation in there. So but yeah,

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Speaker 2: the tooth I had to come oute.

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Speaker 1: Are you A lot of people, like a disproportioned number

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Speaker 1: of people, are terrified of dentists, which I don't really

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Speaker 1: understand because I don't really hurt these days anywhere.

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Speaker 2: I actually said to the danist, I mean I just

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Speaker 2: had a tooth extraction. I was like, that was completely

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Speaker 2: pain free. That's not what it was like twenty years ago.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what about you, Cookie? Do you do you go

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Speaker 1: the dentist regularly?

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Speaker 2: I do? I do.

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Speaker 3: I used to hate it when I was a kid

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Speaker 3: because I remember getting a tooth, getting the drill and

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Speaker 3: being told I was crying and she said, don't be

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Speaker 3: a baby.

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Speaker 2: And the dentist.

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Speaker 3: You know, when the dental van used to come to

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Speaker 3: your school. What a terror, What a terror that was.

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Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think getting a tooth out

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Speaker 1: in the back of a fucking high ace is a

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Speaker 1: great plan. Fucking now, sitting on a fucking egg crate

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Speaker 1: with Brian, with suppliers going, You'll be right, just hold

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Speaker 1: on to this, hold on to this fluffy toyck. Those

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Speaker 1: those days are gone.

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Speaker 2: Fuck.

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Speaker 1: That's probably still the day to day operating system in Devonport,

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Speaker 1: isn't it. Shout out to all our friends in Devonport. Fuck,

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Speaker 1: you know we just lost both listeners.

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Speaker 2: Ye oh dear, he's on one today. We can tell now.

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Speaker 2: Did you get a workout in this morning, Craig, Yeah, I'm.

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Speaker 1: I'm training in an hour and fifty one minutes with

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Speaker 1: the crab as is my normal sixteen hundred appointment. But

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Speaker 1: I'm good. I took some creatinine before. This is not

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Speaker 1: where we intended to go, but we never go where

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Speaker 1: we intended to go. We'll get there. But I've started

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Speaker 1: using creatine somewhat religiously in a way that I never

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Speaker 1: have in my life, not stupidly. Just five grams a day, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I take it about now. I literally took it ten

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Speaker 1: to two. And again this is not a recommendation anyone,

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Speaker 1: but for me. I take NMN and I take another

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Speaker 1: thing called trimethyl glycine, and I take that. I mix

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Speaker 1: it all together my brain because and it ain't a

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Speaker 1: placebo because I didn't expect anything, but my brain works

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Speaker 1: better like one hunt. Not one hundred percent better, but

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Speaker 1: it's a ridiculous guess, but I reckon. I'm twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: five percent better, like my more energy, better focus. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: Very good research now upo the briand and cognitive benefits

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Speaker 2: of creating which and I talk about it all the time,

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Speaker 2: my tox and I say everybody should be taking creating

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Speaker 2: five grams a day, because if we think about it,

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Speaker 2: we have three energy systems in the body, right, we

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Speaker 2: have aeral big energy system, then we have our diacolytic

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Speaker 2: energy from our anaerobic energy system, and then we have ATPPC.

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Speaker 2: So ATPPC you know, as you know, graig is typically

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Speaker 2: sprint fast par explosive stuff last about ten seconds. But

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Speaker 2: the PC stands for fossil creating. And it turns out

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Speaker 2: that creating can actually cross the bloodbeing barrier and fuel

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Speaker 2: your brain sales. And it's actually been shown to be

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Speaker 2: really effective if you've had poor sleep, because we know

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Speaker 2: that your cognitive performance drops off a cliff with per

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Speaker 2: sleep and creating Emily, it's the decline in cognitive performance

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Speaker 1: That's interesting. You say that because I read day. When

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Speaker 1: I say I read a paper, you and I both

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Speaker 1: know when I say I read a paper, I read

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Speaker 1: the fucking synopsis and the results. I read the intro.

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Speaker 1: But they did a study recently which you may or

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Speaker 1: may not have read exactly what you are talking about,

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Speaker 1: using creating to a milia ate orgate whatever, shitty sleep.

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Speaker 1: But they used thirty grams a day.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thirty grams a day people, not on the Gary

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Speaker 1: Glitter fucking hell.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's a lot of work, right, cockney rhyming slang. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I got it. Personal upset.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so on the ship he means.

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Speaker 2: So, actually, you know what, you can't You have to

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Speaker 2: remove that from cockney rhyming slang now because Gary Glitter

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Speaker 2: is a pedophyte. Yeah, well so we can't say that anymore.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for bringing that up. Thanks. Well, he's dead, isn't he.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if he's dead or still he might

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Speaker 1: Can you google that?

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Speaker 2: I hope he's dead because he's an individual. But anyway, he's.

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Speaker 1: An able fuck And thanks for taking that detour in

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Speaker 1: our otherwise friendly, come fucking hell to me. So how

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Speaker 1: do we go from creating to Gary very glitter? But anyway,

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Speaker 1: So if you're wondering how much is five grams? Everyone,

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Speaker 1: it's about a flat ish teaspoon depending on the slide,

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Speaker 1: the tea spurn. But yeah, it is. It's I think

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Speaker 1: think it's the most researched supplement ever.

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Speaker 2: It is. It's the most research, un safest actually, so

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Speaker 2: it's just yeah, I'd say that people get on the

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Speaker 1: How old are you now?

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Speaker 2: Fifty three?

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Speaker 1: How do you feel like? I know this is a

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Speaker 2: Though? I actually feel really good at the minute, despite

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Speaker 2: my recent diagnosis, which I don't think I've told you about.

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Speaker 2: I went to see I played soccer. Well, I've stopped

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Speaker 2: playing soccer and because I entered my knee. But I

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Speaker 2: it what I want to get the full mot that's

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Speaker 2: a British term. What do you call it? Here? You

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Speaker 2: just right, I want to get your food diddy right.

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Speaker 2: So we said, come and see me. Will do the

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Speaker 2: stress test, We'll do a cardiac MRI, will do your

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Speaker 2: celtum score, will do all of that. And then he

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Speaker 2: sat me down and said, look, fitness wise, your heart

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Speaker 1: Fucking hell, did con you? So you've got two instead

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Speaker 2: I got a yeah, two leaves, And what happens? You're

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Speaker 2: blood out up through your aorta, and that's the main artery.

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Speaker 2: So you've got this valve that's got three leaves, and

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Speaker 2: Let's get it done because my view on this. So

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Speaker 2: there's opposing views and cordage. Dad's a retired doctor and

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Speaker 2: he's like, why would you do an operation that you

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Speaker 2: I'm ex military. When you go to war, you want

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Speaker 2: So I'm like, no, let's just let's just get it done.

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Speaker 4: When you were doing that, when you were telling us,

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Speaker 4: I was I was thinking of San Su yes, w yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: thank you San Sue after that little bloody But I mean.

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Speaker 1: It actually makes sense, It actually makes sense, And I

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Speaker 2: Cushing's disease. Yes, chronic elevated cordisol is so damaging to

432
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:40,360
Speaker 2: the body and the brand. And there's I think there's

433
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 2: a number of factors at play here. I think that

434
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:49,679
Speaker 2: modern society is creating a generation of people who are

435
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 2: half human half mere cut.

436
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: Well let's go on, right, what will we call this hybrid?

437
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 2: I don't know. We need we need to create a

438
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 2: new for it, because it's like a new race that

439
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 2: has come. And so everybody knows what mayor cats are

440
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 2: I think you know, yeah, you see the mayor cats

441
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 2: with David Attenborough and that they are and they're up

442
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 2: on their hind legs looking for danger, right, always looking

443
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 2: for or at least a few of them are always

444
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 2: looking on the lookout for danger. And that's what society

445
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 2: has become. And I think there's a number of factors

446
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 2: at play here. And I've been thinking about this, not

447
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 2: not from I hadn't heard those statistics that you were

448
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 2: talking about. I was thinking more about mental health issues

449
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 2: and anxiety depression. There is I think a number of

450
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 2: factors at play. One is too much information human The

451
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 2: human brain has never ever meant to take in that

452
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 2: much information that we are exposing ourselves to you, and

453
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 2: so much of it is negative. Right, there's just negative news.

454
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 2: You know, we are not supposed to know about millions

455
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 2: of people's woes at one time, right, And all of

456
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 2: this stuff. And then there's doctor Google, where people can

457
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 2: then google stuff. Whenever they have anything at all, they

458
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 2: google stuff. And if they have a predisposition to being

459
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 2: anxious at all, which we used to call a bit

460
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 2: of a worry wart, but now it's medicalized, then they

461
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 2: start to catastrophize. Now I think that the stuff that

462
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 2: then plays into this. There was an umbrella review published

463
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 2: about two months ago into Ultra Process for Consumption. So,

464
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 2: just to explain for the listeners, a systematic review meta

465
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 2: analysis is where you take lots of different studies that

466
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 2: have been published on a topic and the researchers weed

467
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 2: out the crap and then they pull all the data

468
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 2: together and they get stronger data. So an umbrella review

469
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 2: is where there's a number of different systematic reviews and

470
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 2: meta analys and they pull all of that data together,

471
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 2: and that's where we start to get pretty strong evidence.

472
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 2: And then there's this protocol you go through that can

473
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 2: enhance the strength of observational evidence. Right, is there animal

474
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 2: studies being done that show the same thing as their

475
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 2: plausible biological mechanisms? Is there a dose response all of

476
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 2: these things? And what this Umbrella review showed that increasing

477
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 2: ultra processed foods in the diet increased the risk of

478
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 2: anxiety by forty eight percent and common mental health disorder

479
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 2: by fifty three percent. Right now in the States, in

480
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 2: the United Kingdom, and I would bet my house in

481
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 2: Australia more than fifty percent of all foods consumed our

482
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 2: ultra process crap. So we're eating shit that is negatively

483
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 2: affecting our brains. What we're also doing is not moving

484
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 2: very much, which is negatively affecting our brains and increasing

485
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 2: the risk of anxiety and depression. And then we have

486
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 2: all this social media where there's all this upwards comparison,

487
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 2: right where you're comparing yourself to the best little snapshots

488
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 2: of people's lives that isn't really real, but they're more

489
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 2: handsome than you. They're richer than you, they're in better

490
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 2: shape than you, and that creates a negativity bias in

491
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 2: the brain, and all of these things feed into each other.

492
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 2: So I think when you have a brain that has

493
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 2: been then primed to be predisposed to anxiety depression, and

494
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 2: then you combine that with access to all of this

495
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 2: health information and stuff on the news, that's maybe just

496
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 2: lingering in the back of people's minds. I'm not surprised

497
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 2: that it's five percent, and wouldn't be surprised if it

498
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 2: if it was ten percent per psychology today. But this

499
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 2: is my point about we are creating a generation of meerkats,

500
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 2: and not to detract from this subject. We can circle

501
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 2: back to this one though. But the other thing is

502
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 2: constantly talking about feelings, and with kids constantly being asked

503
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 2: how they're feeling and being in touch with their feelings

504
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 2: and stuff like that makes it fucking worse. Guess what

505
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 2: happens if you're constantly being asked do you feel okay?

506
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 2: Do you feel sad? Do you feel depressed? On the fuck?

507
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 2: Maybe I do, right. I think it's just becoming worse.

508
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 2: And I actually think that the mental health industry is

509
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 2: minting clients. Yeah, yeah, just like the Central Bank mints

510
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 2: money every now and in it prints it. Because you

511
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 2: talked about the DSM and Professor Mark Horowitz, who was

512
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 2: on my podcast, has said there's been a progressive loosening

513
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 2: of the guidelines for mental health issues in DSM and

514
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 2: the case for antidepressants, and he said, according to the

515
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 2: newest DSM, eighty five percent of adults in Australia meet

516
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 2: the criteria for being on an antidepressant.

517
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, back back.

518
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 2: Also, sorry, just to throw this into the eighty five percent,

519
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 2: I believe of anti of psychiatric medication in this country

520
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 2: is prescribed by non psychiatric doctors.

521
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it is a slippery slope. And I mean,

522
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: you've got to be careful, don't you what you say?

523
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: But I'm with you. It's like there are people with

524
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: obviously people with real mental health issues who really need

525
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: to be looked after and all of that. But you

526
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: get to the point where I don't think she'd mind.

527
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,239
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you a quick story. Oh, by

528
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 1: the way, have I spoken to you about that book

529
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: called Bad Therapy?

530
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 2: Paul, I've got it. I'm reading it. Breton.

531
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 4: How good is that?

532
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 2: Everybody needs to read that book.

533
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: Yep, so it's by I think her name is Abigail Shreyer,

534
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: isn't it. Yeah, yeah, and yeah great. But essentially she's saying,

535
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: for some people, talk therapy makes it worse.

536
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 2: Correct, And the research is clear on this right that

537
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 2: for not quite a lot of people, talk therapy mixed

538
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 2: stuff for us. And again I will reinforce what you said, Greg,

539
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 2: this is this is not about judgment. We're not judging

540
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 2: anybody here at all. We're just talking about what the

541
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 2: science actually says.

542
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: I had a young girl that trains often with Tiff.

543
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: Her name's Ash, so Ash has been on the show.

544
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: She's great. She lost a seventy kilos Paul, So she

545
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: went from one thirty or it might have been seventy five.

546
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: I got a massive amount of weight. And this is

547
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: not giving anything away. She had she didn't have lap band.

548
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: She just lost it with exercise and great diet. And

549
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: you know, she did an amazing job. Then she had

550
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: surgery because of the skin. And now she's been training

551
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: for a while and she trains really well. But she's

552
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: young and fit and strong and healthy. And the other

553
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: day she was in the gym and and you know,

554
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: I have this whole. I call them my merry band

555
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: of misfits, all these people that I kind of help

556
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: about six or seven tips in the rotation, and people

557
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: just people just turn up when I go well, look

558
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: like people ring me and go what time are you

559
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: at the gym? And then like I don't go to

560
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: the gym to train anyone. I say, this is when

561
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: I will be there. If you turn up, I'll tell.

562
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 2: You what to do. Right.

563
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: So she's one of them. Anyway. The other day I'm

564
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: training and about three times she's like through the session,

565
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: why are you so mean to me? Why are you

566
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: so hard on me? Why are you so mean to me?

567
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 5: And I'm like, I just didn't say anything, didn't say anything.

568
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 5: And at the end I go, come over here, champ,

569
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 5: and she's like, oh am, I in trouble, you know,

570
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 5: and people I go, no, I just sat it down

571
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 5: and I go, okay here. Firstly, it ain't my job

572
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 5: to make you feel good, and she's like, you know how,

573
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 5: and I said, this is my job.

574
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: My job is to help you the best version of

575
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: you can that you can be in the gym, to

576
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: explore your physiological potential. You're like, from where you've come,

577
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: you're fucking amazing. However, you are not training hard, but

578
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: you think you're training hard. I go, you've got a

579
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: story in your head of how hard you're training. This

580
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: thing called rate of perceived exertion, right, which is your

581
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 1: assessment of how hard you think you're working. You think

582
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: you're working at eight or nine, you're working at four.

583
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: I said, I'm not telling you this to make you

584
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: feel bad. I'm telling you this because I want you

585
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: to have a fucking revelation and train at a level

586
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: that's really going to create some kind of adaptation, which

587
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: is what you want. What you want is change, what

588
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: you want is improvement. And it's just sitting there and

589
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 1: I go, I'm not I'm telling you this because you've

590
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 1: got more potential than you realize. But every time you

591
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,760
Speaker 1: go to me, ah ah ah, I go, you're fucking

592
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: yourself up and it's annoying, right, and it makes me

593
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:01,439
Speaker 1: want to train you less. So anyway, she went home

594
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: and then she sent me a big long message going,

595
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: thank you for the talk. I realized, blah blah blah.

596
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: And then I saw her maybe three or four days later.

597
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: She goes, you were right. She goes, I'm so much

598
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 1: like she's been training herself. She goes, I didn't realize

599
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: how fucking strong. Well, she didn't say, fuck how strong

600
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: I am? And I go, right, I go, here's the thing,

601
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: like when you are not that everyone needs to train

602
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: like a maniac. But we have a story in our

603
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: head about what is hard. Yes, and when you believe

604
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: the story, it's hard.

605
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 2: I go, mane, that's I go.

606
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 1: You're twenty seven years old, you've got no injuries, and

607
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: you've been training for years. You don't know how, you know,

608
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: Like when Tiff came in, because Tiff, Tiff does have

609
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: a higher threshold naturally, and she'd been boxing and punched

610
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: in the face. Yes, shit like her you know, work

611
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: is Yeah, her level was straight up in eight or nine.

612
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to throw Ash under the bus

613
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: because we love Ash. But if I'd say to Tiff,

614
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: do who you know? Like she was deadlifting over one

615
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: hundred k's in weeks, in weeks of having started deadlifting,

616
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: you know, I mean some people train for five years

617
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: and never get close to that, you know. So yeah,

618
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 1: but it is just that I think we've got to

619
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: be aware of our stories and hit the pause button,

620
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,879
Speaker 1: you know, it's like your story is this is a challenge. Fuck,

621
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: this is good. I'm ready, you know, And that I

622
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: just think, rather than rather than being the victim of

623
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: your circumstances, just hit the pause button. And that's not

624
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: to say there are no victims there. Of course, there

625
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: are very real victims, and there are legitimate terrible situations.

626
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: But just being able to kind of, I guess, create

627
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: our own reality consciously rather than have it created for

628
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: us by external forces that we think we can't control.

629
00:36:55,640 --> 00:37:01,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, And that story about what hard that applies

630
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:07,280
Speaker 2: not just to training but to life in general and psychologically.

631
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 2: And that's what I was getting at with the meerkats,

632
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 2: is that and when you're constantly focused and like your

633
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 2: bringing commits sales to whatever you pay attention to. So

634
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 2: all of this attention on feelings and mental health I

635
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 2: think is making stuff a lot worse. And I think

636
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 2: the higher up you are on and this is that

637
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 2: there's no evidence for this whatsoever. Right, it's just a

638
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 2: hunch that I had the other day. The higher up

639
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 2: that we get on Maslow's hierarchy of needs, the more

640
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 2: prone we become to becoming meerkats, right, because we don't

641
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 2: have real problems like you talk about real but I

642
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 2: mean everybody. I'm fucking sick to the back teeth of

643
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 2: Australians talking about how hard life is. It's not frigging

644
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 2: hard in this country, even for the people who are

645
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 2: doing it tough. That's not hard. Right. If you're over

646
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 2: the twenty seven you have outlived the average individual who

647
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 2: lived in the sixteen fifties. If you have a roof

648
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 2: over your head and running water and food security, you

649
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 2: got a better than ninety nine point nine percent of

650
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 2: homost appiens who have ever walked this earth. I'm fucking

651
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 2: sick of this. Life is so hard in this country.

652
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 2: It's not for the vast majority of people, but it's whatever.

653
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 2: It's to your point, it's not just about the story

654
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 2: that we tell us, but it's about our experiences as well.

655
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 2: So I like to talk about a catastrophe skill and

656
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 2: there are people who talk about their anxiety or their trauma,

657
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 2: and all it is is being done by a boyfriend

658
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 2: or going into an exam, right, And I hate the

659
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 2: dilution of this word trauma that is now out there.

660
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 2: And you know what I heard today? A moral injury? Fuck?

661
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 2: See it, Like, what's a moral injury, moral injury.

662
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: What about me calling you a count moral injuries?

663
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 2: That's a moral injury. Yes, And it's like we have

664
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 2: just become meerkats, like completely uber sensitive to anything, like

665
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 2: you want to see life or go and live in

666
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 2: Sudan right now. You see last week there was there

667
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,280
Speaker 2: was a guy come in and killed over one hundred kids.

668
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 2: Go and live in Burma right now. People have no

669
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Speaker 2: idea what's been going on in Burma for the last

670
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Speaker 2: two years, that civil war, and there are tens of

671
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Speaker 2: thousands of people who've been being killed over there in Somalia,

672
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 2: like the shit that's happening there as well as I mean,

673
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 2: everybody's aware obviously of Gaza and the atrocities that happened

674
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 2: in Israel and nigh in Lebanon, but there's a whole

675
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 2: heap of shit happening all around the world, and there

676
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 2: are families all around the world who just cannot afford

677
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 2: to feed their kids. Right and then we've got people

678
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 2: in Australia with forty nch TVs and fucking highphilons talking

679
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 2: about high hide lifers. I'm over it.

680
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and also further to that, it's like, hey,

681
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: can you get up out of your chair and walk.

682
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: Can you turn on a tap and get cold water?

683
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 1: Can you push a button then the room gets cooler

684
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 1: or warmer? Do you have a car?

685
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Speaker 3: Do you like?

686
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: Can you you know? I like when I meet Joel,

687
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: my friend who was also in the military and is

688
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: now quadriplegic. He's been on the show a couple of time.

689
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: Shout out to Joel Sardi. Just you know, like it

690
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 1: takes him three four hours every morning to get ready,

691
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: just to be able to to start the day. Yeah,

692
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Speaker 1: you know, and he's got to have any My mindy

693
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 1: saying this is, you know, he's got to have a

694
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Speaker 1: nurse come in and stick a suppository up his ars

695
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Speaker 1: so he can clear his bows. And then he's got

696
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: to washed. Somebody's got to wipe his ass, wash his

697
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: ass and do all. You know, Now, tell me about

698
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Speaker 1: your trauma. Well, now tell me about how hard. And

699
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Speaker 1: we're not, of course, you know, we know people do

700
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Speaker 1: have real trauma. We're not discounting that, but.

701
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Speaker 2: It is, you know, it's like it's the difference between

702
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Speaker 2: between capital T trauma and small T trauma. So trauma

703
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 2: the original definition was a genuine concern for your own life,

704
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Speaker 2: of the life of a loved one who's somebody who's

705
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 2: close to you. Right, it was something like that, it's

706
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 2: not forbetum. But now it's been completely diluted, as have

707
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Speaker 2: lots of the other criteria for mental health issues, and

708
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 2: then people are expecting to have, you know, feelings are

709
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 2: being medicated and medicalized ni You know, we look at

710
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 2: when people that I know several people who are on

711
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 2: antidepressants because a loved one died. That didn't happen thirty

712
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 2: or forty years ago. Right. That's and the research is

713
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 2: really clear is that most people when a loved one dies,

714
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 2: they really struggle for three to six months and then

715
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 2: they slowly get better by themselves. But what's happening is

716
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 2: these people are going to see the doctor within a

717
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Speaker 2: week and the doctor is going, right, bomb, you have

718
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Speaker 2: an antidepressant, and then a year later, two years later,

719
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Speaker 2: they're still only antidepressant. Now that brings to mind creg

720
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Speaker 2: There's one thing I just thought I would pull up

721
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Speaker 2: here a research paper by John Reid, who is either

722
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Speaker 2: clinical psychologist or psychiatrist at the School of Psychology at

723
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Speaker 2: the University of East London, and he's published a number

724
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Speaker 2: of different papers and one of these was experiences of

725
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 2: five hundred and eighty five people when they tried to

726
00:42:52,000 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 2: withdraw from anti psychotic drugs. Reported classical withdrawal symptoms including nausea, tremor's, anxiety, agitation,

727
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 2: and headaches, and quite a few of them reported having

728
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:14,280
Speaker 2: frequent insomnia and feelings of a suicidal ideation.

729
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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: And he has also published research papers on antidepressants and

731
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Speaker 2: the side effects from them, and they are it's a

732
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Speaker 2: horror show, right, And I'm going off the top of

733
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Speaker 2: my head on this one because I don't have it,

734
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Speaker 2: have it with me right now. But it was something

735
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Speaker 2: like sixty percent of people prescribed an antidepressant report feeling

736
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Speaker 2: not like themselves. A chunk of them get suicidal thoughts.

737
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Speaker 2: I think about fifty percent of them report having sexual

738
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Speaker 2: dysfunction that can often persist for years. Actually, here, just

739
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Speaker 2: find something, right, So this is a research paper and

740
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Speaker 2: I'm I'll happy to send the link. Right. Fourteen hundred

741
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 2: and thirty one patients from thirty one different countries right,

742
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 2: all on antidepressants peer reviewed stuff find that sixty one

743
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Speaker 2: percent of patients reported at least ten side effects, most

744
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 2: common feeling emotionally numb, seventy one percent, feeling foggy or detached,

745
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 2: seventy percent, feeling not like myself sixty six percent, sexual

746
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Speaker 2: difficulties sixty six percent, sixty three percent drowsiness, reduction in

747
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 2: positive feelings sixty percent, suicidality as a result of the

748
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Speaker 2: drugs fifty percent, withdrawal effects if you try to come

749
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Speaker 2: off fifty nine percent, and feeling of addiction to the

750
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 2: drugs forty percent. And a study of eighteen hundred New

751
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 2: Zealanders find very similar results and less than five percent

752
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,919
Speaker 2: of patients were told by these potential side effects. Yes, yes,

753
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:08,280
Speaker 2: this is the big issue, particularly with non psychiatric doctors

754
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 2: precribing psychiatric medication, is that they are not a worthy

755
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 2: is because what happened when these drugs got approved. They

756
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 2: only tested for a couple of different side effects. And

757
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 2: guess what happens if you don't test for certain side

758
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 2: effects about them, they don't fucking exist, right. So the

759
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 2: warnings and the labels and the stuff that the doctor's

760
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 2: getting is these drugs are pretty safe, whereas the experiences

761
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Speaker 2: of real people say this is far from the truth. No,

762
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 2: what's clear, and we need to be clear on this.

763
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 2: If you have major depression. Psychiatric drugs can be a lifesaver,

764
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Speaker 2: particularly combat in combination with psychotherapy, but for most people

765
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Speaker 2: who are on them, they actually don't need to be

766
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Speaker 2: on them, and if they were told about all these

767
00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 2: side effects, probably would say no, particularly when we know

768
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Speaker 2: that exercise absolutely trump's antidepressant medication in terms of its effectiveness.

769
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Speaker 2: Research in Iran showed that saffron is as effective as antidepressants.

770
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 2: Other research shows that certain bacteria are as effective as

771
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 2: antidepressants as well, nutrition as well. And if you combine exercise,

772
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 2: good nutrition, good sleep, hygene takes saffron and take some probiotics.

773
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 2: I'm sure that the sum there's a summing effect of those.

774
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Speaker 1: Well, I think the Unis I did one last year.

775
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Speaker 1: I think that wheeled Down. It might have been the

776
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Speaker 1: year before last year in December, and yeah, like they

777
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Speaker 1: exercise was one hundred and fifty percent more effective than

778
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Speaker 1: the best antidepressant.

779
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I was reading a research paper right now.

780
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 2: Effect of resistance training. Resistance exercise training on depressive symptoms

781
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 2: among young adults are randomized control trial, right so for

782
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Speaker 2: the listeners to understand this, Cohen's d effects size, which

783
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:22,720
Speaker 2: you'll understand creed. But point three is a small effects size,

784
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 2: which means it's slightly better than placebo. Point five I

785
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 2: think it's maybe it's point two. Sorry. Point two is

786
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Speaker 2: a small effects size, point five is a moderate effects size,

787
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Speaker 2: and point eight is a large effects size. Antidepressants when

788
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Speaker 2: and this isn't me. This is research by psychiatrists who

789
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Speaker 2: got the non published data that the pharmaceutical industry tried

790
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Speaker 2: to hide. When they pull all of that together, antidepressants

791
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 2: average out at about zero point three, so marginally better

792
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 2: than placebo and generally don't really is are reduced the

793
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Speaker 2: clinical scores on the Hamilton I think it's the Hamilton

794
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 2: thing enough to have a clinical effect, right, So there,

795
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Speaker 2: But that's not saying that they don't have any effect,

796
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 2: because placebo actually works as well. Right. But we know

797
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 2: that exercise in general has a large effect size about

798
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Speaker 2: not point Yet this study on young adults with doing

799
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Speaker 2: resistance training, which hasn't been well studied so far, showed

800
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Speaker 2: an effect size of one point seven.

801
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Speaker 1: Fuckel, what's the name of that paper, bro?

802
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:32,720
Speaker 2: It is Effects of resistance exercise training on depressive symptoms

803
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 2: amongst young adults. A randomized controlled trial published in Psychiatry Research,

804
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: So if you're a non academic person, which is a

806
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: lot of our listeners, you can you can probably find

807
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: maybe find that in thing called Google.

808
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 2: Google scholar, scholar you just you know what we can

809
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:54,839
Speaker 2: we can put that. I can send you a link

810
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 2: to it on popmed and people can just click on

811
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Speaker 2: the link and use it. But that lowse the best

812
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 2: antidepressants out of the water.

813
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 1: But the problem is doesn't make anyone. It doesn't make

814
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Speaker 1: anyone any money.

815
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Speaker 4: Bro.

816
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's hard. It's harder to do than than

817
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 2: popping a pill. Right, So this comes back in the

818
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 2: stories that we tell ourselves.

819
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: It's inconvenient, it's uncomfortable, it's not fucking quick, it's not instant. Well,

820
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: it is actually pretty quick. You do get you know,

821
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 1: you might not build muscle rapidly, but you'll definitely get

822
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 1: symptom reduction quite quickly when you start lifting weights, usually

823
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 1: within a few days.

824
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. And so for me, I'd love to see it

825
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 2: where people go to the doctor and the doctor goes

826
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 2: and I know a couple of doctors who do something

827
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 2: similar to this. The doctor writes her two different scripts,

828
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 2: one script for an antidepressant and one script for exercise right,

829
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 2: and what they should do is handle scripts over and

830
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 2: go here's the one for the antidepressant. This is going

831
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 2: to be less effective. And here's all the side effects.

832
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,240
Speaker 2: It's a seventy one percent chance your feeling number, seventy

833
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 2: percent chance you feel foggy, sixty six percent you won't

834
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Speaker 2: feel like yourself, fifty percent chance you'll be suicidal, sixty

835
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 2: percent chance you'll have a reduction and positive feelings and

836
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 2: be drowsy, or I can prescribe you this exercise one.

837
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Speaker 2: And the side effects are there's a small risk of injury,

838
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 2: and there's a reasonable chance that you might get in

839
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Speaker 2: better shape and get more rooft mcgofty.

840
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Speaker 1: Hoofty mcgufty. Before we wind up, how'd you play I today?

841
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 2: Go on?

842
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: What's the update? Where are you at?

843
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I am. I've analyzed all of the psychological

844
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 2: data that we tested, so we've got statistically significant improvements

845
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 2: in hardiness both of control, challenge and commitment, statistically significant

846
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 2: improvements in mood, and significant reductions in perceived stress. What

847
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 2: I've now got to do is get and analyze all

848
00:50:56,120 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 2: the data around heart rate variability and cognitive function.

849
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 1: So fuck all, you've got not much to do. What's

850
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 1: your what's your what's your at?

851
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 2: I do you reckon on completing the entire PhD?

852
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: On on handing all your shit in and if if

853
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: if if.

854
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 2: And it's a big if IF. I think I'll get

855
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 2: two papers out of this study. I'll get one on

856
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 2: the baseline interactions between the psychological data, the heart rate

857
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 2: variability and the cognitive function, and then I'll get another

858
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 2: paper on the the intervention itself. Hopefully that will be

859
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 2: enough to get my PhD by publication. If it's not,

860
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 2: I have to go and do another study, which I'll

861
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,399
Speaker 2: probably do in the military, but that'll add another six

862
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 2: to eight months. So best case scenario is I finish

863
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 2: on time in about April next year, but it may

864
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 2: end up being next Christmas. I think you're going to

865
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 2: beat me, you bastard. I don't know.

866
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: I might just I don't, I don't know. I've got

867
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: a I'm writing three papers at the moment and a thesis,

868
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: so I also a systematic literature review and you know

869
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 1: how quick they are?

870
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 2: Nice?

871
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, Paul Taylor, Tiffany and Cook tiff

872
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 1: show is called Roll with the punches. Of course the

873
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: Paul Taylor Show. Anything you want to plug mate, while you're.

874
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 2: Here, I should probably plug yours the you project to

875
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 2: my listeners.

876
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 1: We could do that. We could do that. Yeah, we

877
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: should get together and do something next year in our

878
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:44,879
Speaker 1: spare time.

879
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me shore that.

880
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: We've always talked about that. But you and I should

881
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 1: do a one day thing. Tiff can MC the day.

882
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that will be all subject to me defeating

883
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 2: my was the opponent and not the other way around.

884
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll try not to die, actually try not to die.

885
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 1: I couldn't ask most people this, and I wouldn't, but

886
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: fuck at you and me are the what are the

887
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: chances that it doesn't work out? Great? I'm sure you've

888
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: looked at that.

889
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 2: Of course I've looked at it. It is less than

890
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 2: one percent for that procedure. And the way I look

891
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 2: at that is, well, that's everybody who's been through the operation,

892
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 2: and I'll kind of back myself against others. But interesting

893
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 2: you say that, because I did a whole risk analysis, right,

894
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 2: So you can't just bury your head in the sand

895
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 2: on this. So the way the way I look at

896
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 2: risk is what's the chance of the outcome? So not

897
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 2: my case, probably half a percent, maybe less, But what's

898
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 2: the impact if it does happen, And in my case massive, Right,

899
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 2: So that's why I'm actually going back to the UK

900
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,720
Speaker 2: just before Christmas, see my folks and see all my metes.

901
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 2: I'm going to have a just in case party, and

902
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 2: I'm going to have a just in case party for

903
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 2: my friends here in Australia, and the theme will be

904
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,320
Speaker 2: a heart and I think i'll dress up as the

905
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 2: Grim Reaper.

906
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: You're a fucking idiot. Are you telling your friends and

907
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:21,280
Speaker 1: family at home that it's a justin Kaise party?

908
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll tell them when we when we kick it off. Yeah,

909
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 2: for sure, it's Kira making a heart cake. It is Cara. Yes,

910
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 2: I'm going to I'm going to get Kiara to make

911
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 2: me a heart cake. But in all seriousness that the

912
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 2: one thing that I am doing is also getting my

913
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 2: EFFURSI in order, because it would be remissive me not

914
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 2: too write. And I think the trickiest thing is going

915
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 2: to be I'm lucky that my kids are no interest

916
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 2: in listening to my podcast, right. I think the hardest

917
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 2: thing in all of this is going to be I'm

918
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 2: going to.

919
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Speaker 6: Be recording videos for my kids for like their twenty

920
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 6: first birthday party, for their for their weddings, for that

921
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 6: sort of shit, and just in kiss right, I love that.

922
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 1: I know TIFs traumatized by that, but I love it.

923
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 2: Well.

924
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 3: Firstly, you got half traumatized and half thinking of that

925
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 3: beautiful show, Pierce. I love you how beautiful.

926
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Speaker 2: I've got no idea what that shows.

927
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 1: I don't got no idea what that is. Either.

928
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Speaker 2: We're both doing fucking PhDs. We don't watch TV, and.

929
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: We're both fucking We're both we're both bullf eds. So

930
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 1: fucking yeah, all right, well mate, you fuck You'll be

931
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 1: fine because we need to do some work together next year.

932
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 1: But we appreciate you. We'll say goodbye our fair of

933
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: course we'll talk. I better get invited to your fucking

934
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: just in Case party, the Australian version two, by the way.

935
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 2: And I tell you what, you better turne up in

936
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 2: fancy dress so you're not getting in.

937
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 1: What's Is there a theme or just anything?

938
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:58,839
Speaker 2: Heart? It's a heart theme?

939
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 1: Hell that that's kind of I might have to jump

940
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: on bloody chat GPT for some ideas.

941
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:11,839
Speaker 2: Indeed, Man good old Better's military gallous humor you can't

942
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 2: beat it.

943
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right mate, I appreciate you. Thanks Buddy, Thanks Tiff, cheers, gotcha,