WEBVTT - Sam Thaiday, Brisbane Broncos Legend

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<v Speaker 1>Appoche Production. Welcome to another episode of Brave Always the

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<v Speaker 1>CEO Series. This series we launch into the new world

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<v Speaker 1>of brave leadership. Happy people create happy businesses, true emotionally

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<v Speaker 1>intelligent leadership. I've picked up vombit once on our about

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<v Speaker 1>our four flight and everybody thought, well, if it's good

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<v Speaker 1>enough for him, I can do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>We will be joined by culture and leadership experts and

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<v Speaker 1>some superstar CEOs who will courageously tell us the truth

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<v Speaker 1>behind their brave leadership journeys. Welcome to another episode of

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<v Speaker 1>Brave Always the CEO series. So this is actually a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty special one for me today. If you're from Queensland,

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<v Speaker 1>or you're an ERL fan, or probably any sporting fan.

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<v Speaker 1>This man needs no introduction, but he's played more than

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<v Speaker 1>three hundred n Ral games, twenty nine Origin matches, thirty

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<v Speaker 1>two Tests for the Kangaroos. Is a delim Award winner,

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<v Speaker 1>two time Premiership winner and a Rugby World Cup winner.

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<v Speaker 1>He's Alarican of football, the guy who once had a

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<v Speaker 1>giant curly mop, the guy I have seen way too

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<v Speaker 1>many times in a budguy, smuggler, but most importantly, someone

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<v Speaker 1>I've had the privilege of being friends with nearly fourteen years.

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<v Speaker 1>What come, mister Sammy Thurday.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for the backhanded compliments. I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>I had to mention the hair because.

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<v Speaker 2>I do have to. I didn't win a Daly Am.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I want a Dallly m Backrower of the Year. The

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<v Speaker 2>Daly is well, the Dallim is the best player in

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<v Speaker 2>the whole league. I want a positional I.

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<v Speaker 1>Just wanted to correct about it. We'll just let that go.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, because I told you I wasn't going to

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<v Speaker 2>lie to you today on this.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, all right, fair enough? Where to start, Sammy?

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<v Speaker 1>This was an interesting one for me because I have

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<v Speaker 1>known you for so long and I thought this would

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<v Speaker 1>be super easy.

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<v Speaker 2>You know me, but you don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, Oh rah, well, Sammy born in Sydney, moved to

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<v Speaker 1>Townsville when you're four years old. I didn't know all

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff. And that's where you grew up in North Queensland.

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<v Speaker 1>Growing up in Townsville. What's the best thing about Townsville?

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<v Speaker 2>For me? As a kid? Growing up in Townsville was great.

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<v Speaker 2>I was a sporty kid and there was a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of different sports around. I tried my hand at everything. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>having a lot of brothers to kind of place with.

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<v Speaker 2>We had cricket bats, basketball hoops, baseball bats. My poor

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<v Speaker 2>mum and dad. We had all the correct equipment when

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<v Speaker 2>it came to playing those sports as well. So there's

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<v Speaker 2>probably some still some holes in the firebroough sheeting in

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<v Speaker 2>the back of the house where the cricket ball the

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<v Speaker 2>baseball had hit the at the wall. I probably do

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<v Speaker 2>need to get up there and fix that for mum

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<v Speaker 2>and dad.

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<v Speaker 1>They still have there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Mum and Dad's still in the house that we

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<v Speaker 2>kind of grew up in. You know. When we first

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<v Speaker 2>moved to Townsville, we're in defense housing, so we had

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<v Speaker 2>some pretty cool houses. And then Dad retired from the

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<v Speaker 2>Air Force and brought a house out at Kelso and

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<v Speaker 2>they've been living in that same house ever since.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Right, What was the worst thing about growing home

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<v Speaker 1>Townsville The heat?

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<v Speaker 2>It was always hot up there. I think now getting

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<v Speaker 2>out of Townsville and seeing different places. I've got some

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<v Speaker 2>fantastic mates who still live in Townsville and it's a

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful place and I love going back there and visiting.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do call Brisbane home now. I've lived in

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<v Speaker 2>Brisbane longer than I ever did live in Townsville, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you can kind of feel a little bit stuck there sometimes,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think, yeah, moving to Brisbane as a seventeen

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<v Speaker 2>year old kid, you kind of open your eyes up

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<v Speaker 2>to the possibilities that there's a lot more things out there.

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<v Speaker 2>So again, beautiful little place forever growing Townshill and it

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<v Speaker 2>will always have a lovely place in my heart.

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<v Speaker 1>Was your dream to be drafted to the Cowboys?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, essentially I played for Towns or Brothers. Towns of

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<v Speaker 2>Brothers literally was out the back of the grandstand of

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<v Speaker 2>the old stadium Dairy Farmer Stadium, Stockland Stadium one three

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<v Speaker 2>hundred smiles Stadium. It had a few different names, a

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<v Speaker 2>few different sponsors over the years. But yeah, I was

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<v Speaker 2>lucky enough to play a few games there as a

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<v Speaker 2>young kid, Curtain Raisers to a couple of the Cowboys

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<v Speaker 2>games and would have loved to have been picked up

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<v Speaker 2>by the Cowboys, but it just didn't work out that

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<v Speaker 2>way and insane that too. Moving to Brisbane gave me

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<v Speaker 2>the chance opportunity to grow up and change and probably

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<v Speaker 2>needed to get off the teat a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you're a strong lad. Was fretty like do

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<v Speaker 1>you get sort of forced into footy. Was it a

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<v Speaker 1>footy family, Like, did you just have to play footy

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<v Speaker 1>or was that your thing? No, you've done something else.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't my thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually wasn't your thing.

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<v Speaker 2>From the age of six to the age of twelve,

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<v Speaker 2>we participated in the little athletics. Our club was called

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<v Speaker 2>the Appeross Pandas Mum and dad volunteered and worked pretty hard.

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<v Speaker 2>I think mum was a treasurer at one point there.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, our small little club ran out of money

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<v Speaker 2>and it ceased to exist. So I've probably still got

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<v Speaker 2>some junior records at yeah, yeah, sixty meter hurdles still

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<v Speaker 2>shot put. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>As a long term friend of yours, imagining you leaping

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<v Speaker 1>over a hurdles not an image really strongly.

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<v Speaker 2>I used to love actually, I used to love hurdles

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<v Speaker 2>when I was a kid. Really yeah. Yeah, that's a

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<v Speaker 2>strange sport. It is a strange sport. But yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to go the Olympics when I was a kid.

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<v Speaker 2>That was my dream and goal. If it wasn't for

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<v Speaker 2>Upper ross Pandas shutting down, I wouldn't never played rugby league.

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<v Speaker 1>So well, speaking of like a big part of growing

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<v Speaker 1>up your mum and dad. So your dad is obviously

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<v Speaker 1>toy straight Aunger and your mum if I read coruickly

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<v Speaker 1>and I've met your lovely mum and dad. Mum's from

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<v Speaker 1>a farm girl from mister Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>Farm girl from Western Australi.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean both very like your dad is, like

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, from what I've made of him, like

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<v Speaker 1>just the sweetest man. Like I feel like a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of your temperament must come from him. What did you

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<v Speaker 1>learn from mom? Because mom's a strong woman.

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<v Speaker 2>My mum taught us how to fight, and she taught

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<v Speaker 2>us how to kick a footy. So again, farm girl

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<v Speaker 2>from Western Australia, so she grew up in shearing sheds. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>she knew how to fight with the best of them.

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<v Speaker 2>She always said, ye, let them have three punches first

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<v Speaker 2>and then you lay them out after that. Yeah, she's

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<v Speaker 2>a wild one, but at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 2>she is the softest human being ever. She's all front.

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<v Speaker 2>But my grandfather, Arthur, he pretty much worked on the

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<v Speaker 2>farm till the day he passed away. He had four

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<v Speaker 2>daughters to help him out on the farm. I think

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<v Speaker 2>Mum's reasoning why she joined the air Force was because

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<v Speaker 2>she didn't want to live that farm life anymore, so

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<v Speaker 2>she kind of joined the air Force and that's where

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<v Speaker 2>she met dad. Dad wanted to travel and get out

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<v Speaker 2>of the Torres Strait and moved down. I think they

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<v Speaker 2>were based out at Wagga Wagga there for a little

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<v Speaker 2>while and that's where they met. Yeah, right, her dad

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<v Speaker 2>was doing a four hundred meters running around the track

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<v Speaker 2>with his shirt off and beautiful chocolate man.

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<v Speaker 1>He is a beautiful chocolate man, speaking of wench like. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>Mum and Dad have very different cultural backgrounds. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>did sort of coming from that mixed race family growing

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<v Speaker 1>up in Townswold. Was that a big deal and no

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<v Speaker 1>big deal at all?

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<v Speaker 2>Probably see an understanding a lot more now as a

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<v Speaker 2>an adult, But we were kids. We kind of just

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<v Speaker 2>went about it. But I could still remember Mum getting

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<v Speaker 2>a perm once because she just wanted to have curly

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<v Speaker 2>hair like us kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you serious?

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<v Speaker 2>But again, you know, this is early nineties. There is

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<v Speaker 2>a few more kind of mixed race families in Townsville

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<v Speaker 2>than certain other places. But you know, still Mum would

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<v Speaker 2>get people looking at her and see, I just thought

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<v Speaker 2>it was the best thing ever. Because I kind of

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<v Speaker 2>lived the best of both worlds, and my dad with

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<v Speaker 2>a rich cultural heritage from the Torres Strait, and then

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<v Speaker 2>my mum, you know, she was a staunch farmer from

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<v Speaker 2>Western Australia, and I didn't see a lot of it,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm sure there was probably some stairs and stuff

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<v Speaker 2>that both mum and dad would have had to have

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<v Speaker 2>copped in the chin and just went about their ways.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm un sure if anything was ever said to them

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<v Speaker 2>about being a mixed race couple, but there's always going

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<v Speaker 2>to be people out there that are going to cast

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<v Speaker 2>their judgment on people.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you ever wonder like where did you identify culturally? Like?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that was probably my biggest struggle ever was I

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<v Speaker 2>was too black to be white and I was too

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<v Speaker 2>white to be black sometimes, So you know, that was

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of a struggle that I went through,

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<v Speaker 2>especially through my teens, and not knowing where you belong,

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<v Speaker 2>not knowing where you fit in. And I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>probably why I leaned so much into my sport. And

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<v Speaker 2>I going only speak personally for myself. I didn't encounter

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<v Speaker 2>any racism when it come to sport at all. I

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<v Speaker 2>was disabled to go out there and enjoy all the

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<v Speaker 2>sports that I loved. There was no judgment passed on

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<v Speaker 2>me at all. So you know, when racism creeps into sport,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's absolutely terrible because it's always been such

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<v Speaker 2>a great equalizer for everyone where we've given everyone the

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<v Speaker 2>chance and the opportunity to show their ability and I

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<v Speaker 2>think if their ability is great and they're chosen sport,

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<v Speaker 2>what they should be praised for it. So I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>experience any myself, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, good, I agree sport is the great equalizer. So

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<v Speaker 1>you're seventeen years old when you get drafted to the Broncos,

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<v Speaker 1>I have to ask this, how does it work? Do

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<v Speaker 1>you a phone call or does like someone drive your

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<v Speaker 1>house and like there's balloons, like what happens.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a bit of a weird process. So there was

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<v Speaker 2>a few different recruiters that came up to towns and

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<v Speaker 2>literally sat in our house and had a cup of

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<v Speaker 2>tea with Mum and dad and a few different conversations.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think when the Broncos came calling, it was

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<v Speaker 2>a perfect fit. And again the ability to stay in Queensland.

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<v Speaker 2>So growing up in a big family environment where four brothers,

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<v Speaker 2>he had friends and family uncles and Arnie's that would

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<v Speaker 2>just pop in and come over for dinner and a

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<v Speaker 2>cup of tea and come and stay a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>nights and whatever. I grew up in a really really

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<v Speaker 2>big family environment, so I didn't want to move to

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<v Speaker 2>Sydney or move down to Melbourne. They were just going

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<v Speaker 2>to be too far and then you know, cost to

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<v Speaker 2>travel and all those types of things. So when the

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<v Speaker 2>Broncos came calling, I was super pumped to get the

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity to play for them, and I actually signed my

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<v Speaker 2>Broncos contract in the car park of the old Dairy

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<v Speaker 2>Farmer Stadium, which was a big Yeah, it kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a big fe to the Cowboys at that point in time,

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<v Speaker 2>but they had no space for me up there. I

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<v Speaker 2>just knew that the opportunity to go to Brisbane and

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<v Speaker 2>play with some of the players that were already on

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<v Speaker 2>the roster was probably why I end up having the

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<v Speaker 2>career that I have, you know, and being coached by

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<v Speaker 2>Wayne Bennett, having the mentors at the time he was

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<v Speaker 2>a coach at the time, having mentors, you know, my

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<v Speaker 2>first year at the club, Andrew g was still there,

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<v Speaker 2>he still had Gordon Tallis was still around and then

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<v Speaker 2>you had Gordon the Raging Ball, Yeah, Shane Webke, Petrosisiva

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<v Speaker 2>and these guys were Queensland Australia players at that point

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<v Speaker 2>in time. So I think, yeah, in hindsight, the move

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<v Speaker 2>was essential for my career and if I didn't do it,

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<v Speaker 2>I probably wouldn't have had the career I had. But

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<v Speaker 2>looking it was a pretty cool moment that the team

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<v Speaker 2>that didn't want me, I'm signing a contract in the

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<v Speaker 2>car park of their stadium. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But so you're still seventeen though, right, Like, how much

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<v Speaker 1>pressure did you film that moment? You're going to have

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<v Speaker 1>to move away from where you lived. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of pressure in young people that coming through at that age.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well I wasn't on that. I didn't have the

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<v Speaker 2>biggest contract in the world. On my first side. There

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<v Speaker 2>was a few like NRL bonuses in there if I

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<v Speaker 2>had made the NL team and played in a game,

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<v Speaker 2>but they were probably a lot higher than my contract

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<v Speaker 2>was in all honesty. So I think I got like

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<v Speaker 2>medical and then I had to apply for some living

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<v Speaker 2>away from home allowance and also some rental assistance. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think my first contract was like five thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 2>plus those things, and then if I played in an

0:10:52.561 --> 0:10:56.761
<v Speaker 2>NL game was like a five thousand dollars bonus. I

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<v Speaker 2>knew that I was coming down to play in the colts,

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<v Speaker 2>so they're under nineteens competition and my goal in that

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<v Speaker 2>first year was just to play a bit of reserve

0:11:06.001 --> 0:11:08.521
<v Speaker 2>grade footy if I could. So we played for the

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<v Speaker 2>tom of Clydes Dales at that point in time, that

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<v Speaker 2>was our feeder team in the NRAL, and I just

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to hopefully get a few games playing for them,

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<v Speaker 2>and it all kind of happened pretty quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>My dead because four years later you wants win a premiership.

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<v Speaker 2>I debut was my first year at the club, which

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<v Speaker 2>was kind of funny because my first two months of training,

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<v Speaker 2>so I came down first to November, were just just

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<v Speaker 2>before I literally finished high school, graduated, went to our

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<v Speaker 2>graduation and then the next week I'm in Brisbane training

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<v Speaker 2>And in my first year I debuted for the Broncos.

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<v Speaker 2>I was eighteen in one month. Once I had a taste,

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<v Speaker 2>I was hooked, and it's funny the goals always changed

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<v Speaker 2>and you always move in the posts, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>my goal was just to have a solid season in

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<v Speaker 2>the colts. In two thousand and three and play a

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<v Speaker 2>few games with Queensland Cup if I could, and I

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<v Speaker 2>that tick that, and then I ended up debuling for

0:12:03.801 --> 0:12:07.081
<v Speaker 2>the Broncos. I was like going to after So next

0:12:07.161 --> 0:12:09.161
<v Speaker 2>year I played one game. Next year I want to

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<v Speaker 2>play five games. Okay, the following year, I want to

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<v Speaker 2>be more consistent, play more games, maybe even get a

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<v Speaker 2>few starting positions. So forever, just reassessing goals, figuring out

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<v Speaker 2>what they are and trying to achieve them and push hard.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, very very early in my career, two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and six we won a premiership. I was twenty one,

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<v Speaker 2>and yeah, it was probably the best year of my

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<v Speaker 2>rugular league career. They booed for Queensland that year. I

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<v Speaker 2>had my twenty first birthday in Origin camp, which was

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of fun. Yeah, and then we won the

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<v Speaker 2>premiership and then off the back of the team's success

0:12:43.921 --> 0:12:46.241
<v Speaker 2>side then get the opportunity to play for Australia at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the year. I think it was a

0:12:47.601 --> 0:12:52.001
<v Speaker 2>Try Nations series with New Zealand and England. I think

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<v Speaker 2>I played twenty minutes for Australia in the game that

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<v Speaker 2>I dibuoed, and and that was enough. I'd kind of

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<v Speaker 2>I'd done everything in one year, which is pretty crazy

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<v Speaker 2>and pretty hectic. So and at such a young age

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<v Speaker 2>as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Such a young age, I mean, what was it about

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<v Speaker 1>the Broncos in the two thousand and six the year

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<v Speaker 1>and the premiership? What were they doing?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>Is there something that a team does that you sort

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<v Speaker 1>of go That was the difference between why we won

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<v Speaker 1>that year and while we did in another years.

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<v Speaker 2>I look at the team now and I call it

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<v Speaker 2>our lasagna team because we had layers to it. When

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<v Speaker 2>you put a lasagna together and if it all matches, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Just thinking about lasagna now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. See, that's why I brought it up, because I

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<v Speaker 2>know how much.

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<v Speaker 1>You love food. Yeah, thanks, but yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, every little bit of a lasagna had to come

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<v Speaker 2>together for us to win that game. So we had

0:13:37.241 --> 0:13:39.361
<v Speaker 2>layers and depth within our team. So we had our

0:13:39.401 --> 0:13:43.121
<v Speaker 2>senior players and in your Darren Lockears and Shane Webke,

0:13:43.241 --> 0:13:46.201
<v Speaker 2>Petro Simin receiver, Brad Thorne, and then you know the

0:13:46.281 --> 0:13:49.321
<v Speaker 2>next kind of guys underneath them. You had Corey Parker,

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<v Speaker 2>you had Dane carl or Brent Tate, guys that had

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<v Speaker 2>kind of been there and done some stuff. In the

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<v Speaker 2>inner already, Justin Hodges as well, and then you had

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<v Speaker 2>the next kind of younger guys that were coming through

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<v Speaker 2>trying to have a crack. And it was myself, David Staggs, Daris,

0:14:05.601 --> 0:14:09.641
<v Speaker 2>you had Carmichael Hunt. We had such a well balanced yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, we had the experience of our older guys.

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<v Speaker 2>We had some guys that had been around and had

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<v Speaker 2>a taste of representative football as well, those middle chunks

0:14:17.881 --> 0:14:20.561
<v Speaker 2>of guys and then the bottom guys that the youth.

0:14:20.921 --> 0:14:24.521
<v Speaker 2>You know, myself, Carmichael, David Staggs, Darius Board. Where were

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<v Speaker 2>all these young kids bright eyed? I think it was

0:14:27.641 --> 0:14:29.921
<v Speaker 2>that was Darius's first year in the NL. We played

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<v Speaker 2>every game from Round one all the way to the

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<v Speaker 2>Grand Final, and you think you're going to be there

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<v Speaker 2>every year once you're a young kid, because we still

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<v Speaker 2>had majority of our squad around for a little while

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<v Speaker 2>after that. That was well, that was Shane Weep his last

0:14:42.601 --> 0:14:44.641
<v Speaker 2>game for the Broncos ever, and what a way to

0:14:44.641 --> 0:14:46.801
<v Speaker 2>send out a legend. But you know, I just thought

0:14:46.841 --> 0:14:48.481
<v Speaker 2>it was going to be easy and we're just going

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<v Speaker 2>to get to the Grand Final every year, and it

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of doesn't happen that way.

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<v Speaker 1>No, what does happen when you lose games? Like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>always fascinated what was happening in the locker room? Like

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<v Speaker 1>is it a bit ted lasso like, you know, is

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<v Speaker 1>it positive thinking, lift you up, you're all doing well boys,

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<v Speaker 1>or is it sort of frustration and anger? Like what

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<v Speaker 1>does it way towards? Or is it just depend on

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<v Speaker 1>the coach?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, everyone has their own different emotions, you know, from

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<v Speaker 2>a coach's point of view, like sometimes less is more.

0:15:14.641 --> 0:15:17.441
<v Speaker 2>I think Wayne Bennett talks about, you know, you've probably

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<v Speaker 2>only got two really good sprays every year and that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, where you come in, you absolutely rip

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<v Speaker 2>them a new one. I can still remember a moment

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<v Speaker 2>in time where Wayne Bennett came in. We were all

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<v Speaker 2>sitting in our little semicircle shape. His chair was right

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<v Speaker 2>in the middle. He sat down on it, and then

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<v Speaker 2>he looked at everyone. He stood up, and he walked out.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't say a thing. We kind of knew at that

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<v Speaker 2>point in time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a silence, Yeah, like the naughty kid.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but no, different people process it differently. Yeah, so

0:15:48.521 --> 0:15:51.081
<v Speaker 2>some guys in the locker rooms want to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>everything that happened in the game and really break it

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<v Speaker 2>down then and there when it's fresh in their mind.

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<v Speaker 2>Other guys want to get away and just kind of,

0:15:59.441 --> 0:16:03.921
<v Speaker 2>you know, we'll reassess on Monday type of thing. So, yeah,

0:16:03.961 --> 0:16:07.041
<v Speaker 2>different players is it differently, and you've got to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of know and understand which players are going to want

0:16:10.281 --> 0:16:12.241
<v Speaker 2>to have a talk to you about it, which players

0:16:12.281 --> 0:16:14.481
<v Speaker 2>are going to want to just brush it off. And

0:16:14.521 --> 0:16:17.361
<v Speaker 2>there are certain players that can kind of it's just

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<v Speaker 2>the game.

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<v Speaker 1>So the v of Brave is vulnerability. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>actually you've been incredibly vulnerable publicly, especially in the last

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<v Speaker 1>few years, about a number of things that we'll talk

0:16:26.601 --> 0:16:28.801
<v Speaker 1>about it later, but I want to talk about a

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<v Speaker 1>difficult moment your footy career. So obviously you were put

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<v Speaker 1>into captain c and then I think it was for

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<v Speaker 1>two seasons. Was its roughly? Yeah, like a rough a

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<v Speaker 1>year and a half, and then obviously you step down.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm assuming that was probably one of your more vulnerable

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<v Speaker 1>moments or overwhelming moments. Can you talk me through that

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<v Speaker 1>a bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I had to take over the captaincy after Darren Lockyer. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and I joke about it now, Jesus, I must have

0:16:50.361 --> 0:16:52.801
<v Speaker 2>been a good captain because they needed two to replace me,

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<v Speaker 2>so Corey Parker and Justin Hodges were my replacements after

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<v Speaker 2>that point in time. But I really struggled being the

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<v Speaker 2>captain of the team because I was unsure on what

0:17:03.081 --> 0:17:05.920
<v Speaker 2>type of leader I wanted to be within the team.

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<v Speaker 2>Without realizing I already was a leader and that's why

0:17:08.281 --> 0:17:11.321
<v Speaker 2>I was chosen to be captain. And in hindsight, it's

0:17:11.321 --> 0:17:13.440
<v Speaker 2>easy to look back and go, you're an idiot, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I tried to be every type of leader.

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<v Speaker 2>I tried to be the guy that was inspirational on

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<v Speaker 2>the field. I tried to be the guy that spoke

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<v Speaker 2>up at all the meetings. I tried to be the

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<v Speaker 2>guy that checked in on everyone. And then there were

0:17:26.521 --> 0:17:28.680
<v Speaker 2>times when I would walk around the chains rooms for

0:17:28.801 --> 0:17:31.081
<v Speaker 2>a game and I would have a conversation with sixteen

0:17:31.120 --> 0:17:33.601
<v Speaker 2>players about what their job was and if they were

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<v Speaker 2>ready to go, and without having the same conversation with myself.

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<v Speaker 2>I probably struggled a little bit too with not having

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<v Speaker 2>strong leaders around me as well. You know, previously, when

0:17:45.521 --> 0:17:47.680
<v Speaker 2>Darren Lockey was a captain, he had some great players

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<v Speaker 2>around him still, and there was a bit of a

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<v Speaker 2>change and a shift at the club with coaching staff,

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<v Speaker 2>and I really felt if Wayne Bennett is at the

0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:59.001
<v Speaker 2>Broncos at the time, I'm the captain. I think I

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<v Speaker 2>captained the team for a long period of time, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the support just wasn't there. So it was

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<v Speaker 2>very tough decision. This is again, that was one of

0:18:07.481 --> 0:18:10.240
<v Speaker 2>my goals to captain the Broncos and I got to

0:18:10.281 --> 0:18:12.801
<v Speaker 2>achieve it, which is brilliant and I will always be

0:18:12.921 --> 0:18:17.281
<v Speaker 2>known as a Broncos captain. But I wish I really

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<v Speaker 2>focused on myself more than other people when it came

0:18:20.241 --> 0:18:23.960
<v Speaker 2>to my captaincy and it was tough to front the

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<v Speaker 2>media and stand down.

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<v Speaker 1>And how did you get through that?

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<v Speaker 2>I disappeared for a couple of days. Yeah, Rachel and

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<v Speaker 2>I and the girls, we went up the Sunshine Coast

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<v Speaker 2>for a couple of days and just kind of laid

0:18:35.681 --> 0:18:39.200
<v Speaker 2>low and got my head around it and just needed

0:18:39.241 --> 0:18:40.881
<v Speaker 2>to do some grounding.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you want to be like, screw it, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>playing foot anymore.

0:18:43.441 --> 0:18:46.001
<v Speaker 2>Don't worry. I've had plenty of those moments throughout my

0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:49.440
<v Speaker 2>career where you know, the easy option is to walk away,

0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:51.720
<v Speaker 2>And again, at the age of twenty one, I had

0:18:51.761 --> 0:18:54.840
<v Speaker 2>achieved everything I wanted to anyway, you know, with the

0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:57.600
<v Speaker 2>list you mate, except for captaining the club. You know,

0:18:57.681 --> 0:19:00.400
<v Speaker 2>I had kind of ticked every box already, so I

0:19:00.481 --> 0:19:03.640
<v Speaker 2>needed some time to process it and get away, spend

0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:06.441
<v Speaker 2>some time with family, some close friends, and then lucky

0:19:06.521 --> 0:19:08.160
<v Speaker 2>enough to have a game the following weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing is is that you are a natural leader.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean people always think of you that way, title

0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:14.880
<v Speaker 1>or not. I just think you kind of carried on

0:19:14.921 --> 0:19:16.521
<v Speaker 1>to be a leader of the Broncos leader.

0:19:16.801 --> 0:19:19.880
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, did.

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<v Speaker 1>It really matter that you had the title or not?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's the hardest thing. Sometimes as soon as someone

0:19:23.681 --> 0:19:26.201
<v Speaker 2>tells you you're a leader, Yeah, it tickles your ego

0:19:26.281 --> 0:19:28.001
<v Speaker 2>a bit. Yeah, and then you think you have to

0:19:28.041 --> 0:19:31.600
<v Speaker 2>start doing things that's different. Yeah, when Dale telling you

0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:33.201
<v Speaker 2>you're a leader for the things that you already do,

0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:36.240
<v Speaker 2>and you know, I look back on that now and

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<v Speaker 2>now I just try to be the best version of

0:19:39.561 --> 0:19:42.481
<v Speaker 2>Sam thought I can, whether it's doing the TV stuff

0:19:42.521 --> 0:19:44.640
<v Speaker 2>I do, whether it's the ambassador roles and that I do,

0:19:44.681 --> 0:19:46.720
<v Speaker 2>the charity work that I do. I just tried to

0:19:46.761 --> 0:19:49.561
<v Speaker 2>be the best version of myself, and that's all I

0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:52.761
<v Speaker 2>could be. And if people see that as being a leader,

0:19:53.481 --> 0:19:54.641
<v Speaker 2>thank you. I appreciate that.

0:19:54.761 --> 0:19:57.840
<v Speaker 1>In footy when you were obviously earmarked when Darren was

0:19:57.921 --> 0:20:00.600
<v Speaker 1>leaving to take over captaincy, do you get put through

0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:03.120
<v Speaker 1>some kind of training or development to become a leader?

0:20:03.640 --> 0:20:06.161
<v Speaker 2>Not necessarily, not at all, which.

0:20:05.921 --> 0:20:08.761
<v Speaker 1>I find fast Yeah. Yeah, because as a leadership coach,

0:20:08.801 --> 0:20:10.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, you can't just throw people into that.

0:20:11.201 --> 0:20:14.121
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that's why I said that support system wasn't there.

0:20:14.241 --> 0:20:17.321
<v Speaker 2>If there was a different coaching staff there at the time,

0:20:17.400 --> 0:20:18.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure it would have been different. There was a

0:20:18.840 --> 0:20:21.720
<v Speaker 2>few changes happening at the Broncos, from coaching staff to

0:20:21.961 --> 0:20:24.600
<v Speaker 2>all the office staff. Things were changing at the club

0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:27.041
<v Speaker 2>and it was a time of big change. I think

0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:28.881
<v Speaker 2>this might have been the first time that Wayne left

0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:33.201
<v Speaker 2>the club. Yeah, so you know, he was the inaugural coach,

0:20:33.681 --> 0:20:36.041
<v Speaker 2>had been there from day one, right, he'd been there

0:20:36.041 --> 0:20:40.001
<v Speaker 2>from nineteen eighty eight, and yeah, he kind of everyone

0:20:40.080 --> 0:20:41.641
<v Speaker 2>find was weird times.

0:20:41.321 --> 0:20:44.641
<v Speaker 1>Forair, weird times. I want to talk about authenticity. It

0:20:44.640 --> 0:20:46.600
<v Speaker 1>was interesting one because I know a number of sides

0:20:46.640 --> 0:20:53.280
<v Speaker 1>of you, right, yeah, well your split persnel, and it

0:20:53.360 --> 0:20:55.360
<v Speaker 1>is first knowing that people who then will know they

0:20:55.400 --> 0:20:57.640
<v Speaker 1>might know you personally, will ask about you, or they

0:20:57.721 --> 0:20:59.281
<v Speaker 1>have an idea in the head who you are and

0:20:59.321 --> 0:21:00.921
<v Speaker 1>what you're like. And I know you know this, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So do you believe it's easy to be yourself truly

0:21:04.600 --> 0:21:05.640
<v Speaker 1>yourself all the time?

0:21:05.921 --> 0:21:08.001
<v Speaker 2>I have many selves though, and I think we all.

0:21:07.880 --> 0:21:10.080
<v Speaker 1>Have many I was actually trying to contact those, right,

0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:11.841
<v Speaker 1>because sometimes they want to put you in this category

0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:14.920
<v Speaker 1>of like Sammy the comedian, you know, which unfortunately you

0:21:14.921 --> 0:21:15.641
<v Speaker 1>are quite fuck Do.

0:21:15.600 --> 0:21:18.481
<v Speaker 2>You remember that we're at that rooftop at one time

0:21:18.521 --> 0:21:20.720
<v Speaker 2>and I was up on stage speaking yes, and this

0:21:20.840 --> 0:21:22.961
<v Speaker 2>was the first time you've ever saw at work y

0:21:23.241 --> 0:21:25.960
<v Speaker 2>like work properly worked, And what did you say to me?

0:21:26.160 --> 0:21:29.600
<v Speaker 1>I was like so impressed. I was like, oh my god,

0:21:29.600 --> 0:21:33.600
<v Speaker 1>you're not You're actually I was gonna say, was you're

0:21:33.681 --> 0:21:34.600
<v Speaker 1>really good at this?

0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:36.441
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're all smart at work, aren't we.

0:21:36.600 --> 0:21:39.200
<v Speaker 1>That's correct, we don't go there. But yeah, there's a

0:21:39.241 --> 0:21:41.521
<v Speaker 1>different side to me, you're right. So I think what

0:21:41.880 --> 0:21:44.920
<v Speaker 1>I was reflecting on was when people go is he

0:21:45.001 --> 0:21:48.801
<v Speaker 1>always like that loud, funny you know, singing clean Dion songs,

0:21:48.921 --> 0:21:50.561
<v Speaker 1>you know, his pants are always off kind of character,

0:21:50.561 --> 0:21:52.521
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, yeah, he's definitely that. And he's like, then

0:21:52.600 --> 0:21:54.121
<v Speaker 1>is he the other guy who can be butit quiet

0:21:54.120 --> 0:21:55.561
<v Speaker 1>and reflective. Yeah, he can be that too.

0:21:55.840 --> 0:21:59.961
<v Speaker 2>I think Rachel gets the same questions asked. People think

0:21:59.961 --> 0:22:02.360
<v Speaker 2>that I'm intense because they knew me from football and

0:22:02.360 --> 0:22:04.280
<v Speaker 2>the way that I played on the football field. But

0:22:04.441 --> 0:22:06.481
<v Speaker 2>that was sam At the football player. And I think

0:22:06.521 --> 0:22:08.840
<v Speaker 2>growing up with brothers is like I always back my brothers.

0:22:09.041 --> 0:22:10.641
<v Speaker 2>I've got a tattoo on my chest it says one

0:22:10.640 --> 0:22:14.201
<v Speaker 2>brother bleeds, all brothers bleeds. So when I played football,

0:22:15.001 --> 0:22:17.881
<v Speaker 2>I was, you know, in New South Wales known as

0:22:18.080 --> 0:22:21.841
<v Speaker 2>third man thirday. He would come into every push and shove. Yeah,

0:22:21.880 --> 0:22:24.521
<v Speaker 2>but it doesn't mean that I'm that intense. At home.

0:22:24.761 --> 0:22:27.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm a father, my husband. I've got many hats, and

0:22:27.681 --> 0:22:29.640
<v Speaker 2>I think we all have many hats. And I show

0:22:29.761 --> 0:22:33.840
<v Speaker 2>up in every situation that I'm in my genuine self

0:22:33.840 --> 0:22:37.561
<v Speaker 2>for that situation. So I have many genuine.

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<v Speaker 1>Selves mileon, Yeah, very genuine. I like that.

0:22:39.921 --> 0:22:41.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I think that's what we have to be.

0:22:41.961 --> 0:22:43.880
<v Speaker 2>You have to show up to every occasion being our

0:22:43.961 --> 0:22:47.001
<v Speaker 2>genuine selves selves myself.

0:22:47.241 --> 0:22:54.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, A good answer, actually, all right, So that's good, alright.

0:22:54.880 --> 0:22:57.600
<v Speaker 1>Twenty eighteen. The thing you've been doing your whole life

0:22:57.801 --> 0:23:00.441
<v Speaker 1>comes from end. Yeah, all right, and I was round

0:23:00.441 --> 0:23:03.160
<v Speaker 1>fit period, remember going your last game and all the

0:23:03.201 --> 0:23:07.080
<v Speaker 1>weeks and the T shirt like and there's not a

0:23:07.120 --> 0:23:10.120
<v Speaker 1>sporting person. I honestly don't believe it doesn't go through

0:23:10.281 --> 0:23:12.801
<v Speaker 1>a period of like, well what now or who am I?

0:23:12.840 --> 0:23:15.481
<v Speaker 1>And I can only imagine given you started so young,

0:23:16.561 --> 0:23:19.281
<v Speaker 1>that was the same journey for you. Yeah, so what

0:23:19.360 --> 0:23:21.200
<v Speaker 1>surprised you about that period? What did you think it

0:23:21.201 --> 0:23:23.161
<v Speaker 1>was going to be like? And then wanted it actually.

0:23:22.921 --> 0:23:25.080
<v Speaker 2>Turned out to I didn't know. I had no idea.

0:23:25.640 --> 0:23:28.721
<v Speaker 2>You think you're prepared, but you're not really. I start

0:23:28.801 --> 0:23:32.361
<v Speaker 2>again started playing rugby league at the age of twelve.

0:23:32.840 --> 0:23:35.440
<v Speaker 2>All my friends at school played it. I think I

0:23:35.481 --> 0:23:38.360
<v Speaker 2>made the Townsville team in my first year and we

0:23:38.400 --> 0:23:42.241
<v Speaker 2>went and played against Cans and Mackay. I think the

0:23:42.281 --> 0:23:45.921
<v Speaker 2>following year made the North Queensland team and then I

0:23:45.961 --> 0:23:48.680
<v Speaker 2>was like, well, actually you are right at this. You

0:23:48.681 --> 0:23:51.680
<v Speaker 2>know it was a great way to focus anger and

0:23:51.721 --> 0:23:54.120
<v Speaker 2>frustration on other people and you could do it legally

0:23:54.120 --> 0:23:56.921
<v Speaker 2>on the forefield. I think that's why my mum loved

0:23:56.961 --> 0:24:00.241
<v Speaker 2>it so much. But I was fifteen when a school

0:24:00.281 --> 0:24:03.680
<v Speaker 2>teacher at Kerwin High School recognized some of the talents

0:24:03.681 --> 0:24:05.640
<v Speaker 2>that I had as a rugby league player. His name's

0:24:05.681 --> 0:24:08.160
<v Speaker 2>George Barlett. Absolutely love him. Spoke to him on the

0:24:08.160 --> 0:24:11.120
<v Speaker 2>phone the other day. He's a deputy principal now at

0:24:11.160 --> 0:24:14.280
<v Speaker 2>bean Lee High School here in Queensland. But if it

0:24:14.321 --> 0:24:17.880
<v Speaker 2>wasn't for him and recognizing some of the talents I

0:24:17.961 --> 0:24:21.361
<v Speaker 2>had and pretty much giving me a kick in the ass,

0:24:21.521 --> 0:24:24.680
<v Speaker 2>reiterated to me that I was super talented at rugby

0:24:24.721 --> 0:24:27.481
<v Speaker 2>league and if I actually gave it a crack and

0:24:27.561 --> 0:24:31.321
<v Speaker 2>really trained hard and applied myself, that I could probably

0:24:31.360 --> 0:24:34.241
<v Speaker 2>have a professional career. And he said to me, I'll

0:24:34.241 --> 0:24:37.720
<v Speaker 2>show up every day. You show up. And he had

0:24:37.761 --> 0:24:39.281
<v Speaker 2>to show up anyway because he was a teacher. He

0:24:39.321 --> 0:24:43.001
<v Speaker 2>had the keys of the gym. But for the next

0:24:43.041 --> 0:24:45.600
<v Speaker 2>kind of two years. It's in grade eleven and grade

0:24:45.640 --> 0:24:48.720
<v Speaker 2>twelve at school. I showed up and I did the

0:24:48.721 --> 0:24:51.680
<v Speaker 2>training early in the morning, and I had another friend,

0:24:51.961 --> 0:24:54.400
<v Speaker 2>Bevan Cameron, who would pick me up because it was

0:24:54.481 --> 0:24:57.360
<v Speaker 2>kind of you know, Mum had a household full of

0:24:58.041 --> 0:25:00.321
<v Speaker 2>My two younger brothers were there at the time. My

0:25:00.400 --> 0:25:02.600
<v Speaker 2>two older brothers had gone but she's like, I can't

0:25:02.681 --> 0:25:04.761
<v Speaker 2>drive you into school and then come back home and

0:25:04.761 --> 0:25:06.680
<v Speaker 2>get the boys ready to dive back in again. So

0:25:07.120 --> 0:25:08.801
<v Speaker 2>had a friend picked me up, Evan Cameron. He picked

0:25:08.801 --> 0:25:11.120
<v Speaker 2>me up in him and his dad. We went to

0:25:11.160 --> 0:25:14.921
<v Speaker 2>training every morning, got ready for you know, footy, and

0:25:15.080 --> 0:25:16.761
<v Speaker 2>I needed a bit of a push. I needed a

0:25:16.801 --> 0:25:19.920
<v Speaker 2>bit of a kick in the ass, and George was

0:25:19.921 --> 0:25:22.281
<v Speaker 2>a guy that did that for me. It was absolutely

0:25:22.721 --> 0:25:24.640
<v Speaker 2>push in the right direction that I needed.

0:25:25.521 --> 0:25:28.360
<v Speaker 1>So it's just so much though about the impact that

0:25:28.521 --> 0:25:31.201
<v Speaker 1>a good teacher or mentor can have on a child,

0:25:31.681 --> 0:25:34.041
<v Speaker 1>right because on the other side of the spectrum.

0:25:33.761 --> 0:25:36.640
<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of shit teachers too. Yeah, and a

0:25:36.640 --> 0:25:39.840
<v Speaker 2>few as well. I loved science and biology at school.

0:25:39.921 --> 0:25:42.680
<v Speaker 2>I loved it and like fascinated with the human body.

0:25:43.241 --> 0:25:45.240
<v Speaker 2>But I had a science teacher who was nice to me,

0:25:45.400 --> 0:25:47.681
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, oh fuck science. That I never

0:25:47.721 --> 0:25:48.241
<v Speaker 2>did it again.

0:25:48.360 --> 0:25:50.160
<v Speaker 1>You see. I had an art teacher who told me

0:25:50.281 --> 0:25:54.241
<v Speaker 1>at eleven, laughed at my artwork, which is subjective, right,

0:25:54.360 --> 0:25:57.720
<v Speaker 1>isn't it? Isn't it and said to me, you're terrible

0:25:57.761 --> 0:25:59.761
<v Speaker 1>at art. And I never got over it, and I

0:25:59.840 --> 0:26:03.001
<v Speaker 1>quit anything creative until this day. I still say like,

0:26:03.160 --> 0:26:06.840
<v Speaker 1>if pictionary comes out, everyone in my team, I'm a

0:26:06.961 --> 0:26:10.801
<v Speaker 1>terrible drawer. Yeah, and it's like such a big impact.

0:26:11.120 --> 0:26:13.921
<v Speaker 2>Yes, no, so true. So you got to think from

0:26:13.921 --> 0:26:17.720
<v Speaker 2>the age of fifteen, after someone you know, giving me

0:26:17.721 --> 0:26:20.120
<v Speaker 2>the confidence enough to go, actually I am talented to

0:26:20.201 --> 0:26:22.801
<v Speaker 2>the age of I can't even do the mask. But anyway,

0:26:22.961 --> 0:26:28.001
<v Speaker 2>so from the year two thousand to the year twenty

0:26:28.160 --> 0:26:32.360
<v Speaker 2>eighteen when you retired, my whole identity was attached to

0:26:32.400 --> 0:26:35.600
<v Speaker 2>being a rugby league player. So for eighteen years of

0:26:35.640 --> 0:26:38.520
<v Speaker 2>my life was like that's who I was, that's what

0:26:38.600 --> 0:26:41.441
<v Speaker 2>I did, and that's who I am. So I think

0:26:41.521 --> 0:26:43.721
<v Speaker 2>walking away from rugby league at that point in time

0:26:44.281 --> 0:26:49.241
<v Speaker 2>was super hard because I still you know, I probably

0:26:49.321 --> 0:26:51.200
<v Speaker 2>kicked myself in the art for this one, but I

0:26:51.241 --> 0:26:53.360
<v Speaker 2>still thought I had a couple of.

0:26:53.360 --> 0:26:55.601
<v Speaker 1>Good years left in me before you retire.

0:26:55.761 --> 0:26:57.481
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I still reckon I could have played a

0:26:57.521 --> 0:26:58.561
<v Speaker 2>couple more years of football.

0:26:58.721 --> 0:26:59.561
<v Speaker 1>So why did you retire?

0:26:59.721 --> 0:27:02.680
<v Speaker 2>Because I was stubborn and didn't want to leave the Broncos.

0:27:02.961 --> 0:27:06.121
<v Speaker 2>For me, there was this loyalty attach to the Brisbane Broncos,

0:27:06.160 --> 0:27:09.281
<v Speaker 2>and I think the prestige of being known as a

0:27:09.360 --> 0:27:13.520
<v Speaker 2>one team player really, so I can rewind back to

0:27:13.840 --> 0:27:16.281
<v Speaker 2>there was a big split when I was a kid

0:27:16.281 --> 0:27:19.521
<v Speaker 2>with all my mates from school and then all the

0:27:19.521 --> 0:27:22.241
<v Speaker 2>guys that I played football with so at a club

0:27:22.321 --> 0:27:25.201
<v Speaker 2>level when I was a junior coming through at Brothers.

0:27:25.840 --> 0:27:28.801
<v Speaker 2>All my friends from my primary school played at Brothers.

0:27:29.041 --> 0:27:32.321
<v Speaker 2>When we got to high school, the private school kids

0:27:32.561 --> 0:27:35.041
<v Speaker 2>all played for Brothers, and then all the state school

0:27:35.120 --> 0:27:37.321
<v Speaker 2>kids where I went to Kerwin State High School, they

0:27:37.321 --> 0:27:39.761
<v Speaker 2>all played for Centrals. I told my mom I want

0:27:39.801 --> 0:27:42.840
<v Speaker 2>to go and play for Central's and moms like, no,

0:27:43.120 --> 0:27:45.241
<v Speaker 2>you can't. You go to stay loyal, that's your team.

0:27:45.321 --> 0:27:49.880
<v Speaker 2>You play for Brothers. So this is ingrained me. So

0:27:50.321 --> 0:27:52.521
<v Speaker 2>I didn't want to go to England when I retired

0:27:52.840 --> 0:27:55.321
<v Speaker 2>because I'd had work that was lined up for me

0:27:55.481 --> 0:27:58.400
<v Speaker 2>with Channel nine and a few different things as well,

0:27:59.441 --> 0:28:01.520
<v Speaker 2>and I thought, if I go to England for two years,

0:28:01.600 --> 0:28:03.521
<v Speaker 2>I'll be out of side, out of mind. The next

0:28:03.600 --> 0:28:06.481
<v Speaker 2>person retires and you know, that job that I did

0:28:06.521 --> 0:28:08.801
<v Speaker 2>have a Channel nine is gone. And the people that

0:28:08.880 --> 0:28:11.001
<v Speaker 2>retired at the same time and roughly around the same

0:28:11.001 --> 0:28:14.561
<v Speaker 2>time as Jonathan Thurston, Cameron Smith, East Layer, Cooper Kronk,

0:28:14.640 --> 0:28:16.961
<v Speaker 2>so all the media jobs would have been gone.

0:28:17.201 --> 0:28:18.120
<v Speaker 1>It's very true.

0:28:18.201 --> 0:28:20.521
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I come back and then I'm working as

0:28:20.561 --> 0:28:22.360
<v Speaker 2>a bloody stop go sign guy.

0:28:24.041 --> 0:28:25.680
<v Speaker 1>They have pretty good money, so.

0:28:28.921 --> 0:28:32.360
<v Speaker 2>It's super hard having something wrapped up in your identity

0:28:32.400 --> 0:28:34.120
<v Speaker 2>for such a long period of time. And then you know,

0:28:34.640 --> 0:28:38.761
<v Speaker 2>having this internal wrestle of actually I can still play,

0:28:39.161 --> 0:28:42.161
<v Speaker 2>but they're not wanting to sign with another club because

0:28:42.521 --> 0:28:45.801
<v Speaker 2>of this bloody loyalty. I'm as loyal as a kick dog.

0:28:45.841 --> 0:28:47.441
<v Speaker 2>At the end of the day, I'll keep coming back.

0:28:48.201 --> 0:28:50.281
<v Speaker 2>It's so hilarious to say this, but you kind of

0:28:50.321 --> 0:28:52.761
<v Speaker 2>go off into the wilderness into the real world, and

0:28:52.881 --> 0:28:56.041
<v Speaker 2>you you have your struggle, so you pack on the weight,

0:28:56.361 --> 0:28:59.881
<v Speaker 2>you don't train as much, you probably drink too much.

0:29:00.121 --> 0:29:02.201
<v Speaker 2>You know, all these different things that you weren't allowed

0:29:02.241 --> 0:29:05.281
<v Speaker 2>to do while you're playing. True, you know you could do.

0:29:05.441 --> 0:29:07.761
<v Speaker 2>It's like, oh, it's Wednesday, I can have a beer,

0:29:08.041 --> 0:29:09.761
<v Speaker 2>and then you have two beers and then.

0:29:10.601 --> 0:29:14.401
<v Speaker 1>So like my normal Yeah.

0:29:13.401 --> 0:29:17.281
<v Speaker 2>So bad habits start creeping in. And then when the

0:29:17.321 --> 0:29:20.761
<v Speaker 2>bad habits start creeping in, your mindset's shot. Because you

0:29:20.841 --> 0:29:26.161
<v Speaker 2>are institutionalized when it comes to being a professional sporting stuff.

0:29:26.921 --> 0:29:30.401
<v Speaker 2>You are told where to be, what to where, we

0:29:30.521 --> 0:29:33.361
<v Speaker 2>had a full time dietician. You eat these things, you know,

0:29:33.401 --> 0:29:35.561
<v Speaker 2>you go to the gym that they've done your program

0:29:35.641 --> 0:29:38.200
<v Speaker 2>for you. Even to the point like towards the end

0:29:38.201 --> 0:29:39.921
<v Speaker 2>of my career, we got fancy and we didn't have

0:29:39.961 --> 0:29:42.081
<v Speaker 2>to even bring our own tails to training anymore because

0:29:42.121 --> 0:29:43.960
<v Speaker 2>they had towels and they washed the towels for you.

0:29:44.561 --> 0:29:47.641
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was like usual to leave home all over again.

0:29:47.761 --> 0:29:51.881
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, pretty much and start again, start again. And I

0:29:51.921 --> 0:29:54.480
<v Speaker 2>think that was my biggest downfall when I retired, was

0:29:54.481 --> 0:29:56.480
<v Speaker 2>that there was a lack of routine with what I

0:29:56.521 --> 0:29:58.161
<v Speaker 2>was doing with my life, and it was just like

0:29:58.401 --> 0:29:59.561
<v Speaker 2>I want to do this, I want to do this,

0:29:59.601 --> 0:30:00.841
<v Speaker 2>I want to do this, I want to do all

0:30:00.841 --> 0:30:04.361
<v Speaker 2>the things. Yeah, you know, I want to go skiing.

0:30:04.401 --> 0:30:07.441
<v Speaker 2>When to Japan? And then the world shutdown.

0:30:07.081 --> 0:30:09.321
<v Speaker 1>After that, Oh that was terrible time.

0:30:09.561 --> 0:30:10.881
<v Speaker 2>It was a terrible timing.

0:30:11.001 --> 0:30:12.761
<v Speaker 1>At home too. You can't even do the dreams.

0:30:12.881 --> 0:30:15.241
<v Speaker 2>No, I can't even do a lot of the things. So, yeah,

0:30:15.521 --> 0:30:18.681
<v Speaker 2>there was so much that kind of coincided with end

0:30:18.681 --> 0:30:22.161
<v Speaker 2>of twenty eighteen, retire had a family holiday over in Japan,

0:30:22.281 --> 0:30:25.000
<v Speaker 2>went skiing, came back, the world shutdown. I was just

0:30:25.041 --> 0:30:28.601
<v Speaker 2>like it was probably the worst time ever to retire

0:30:28.681 --> 0:30:29.200
<v Speaker 2>in all.

0:30:29.121 --> 0:30:30.801
<v Speaker 1>Those things properly.

0:30:31.401 --> 0:30:34.081
<v Speaker 2>But again, I have to kind of lean back on

0:30:34.081 --> 0:30:35.041
<v Speaker 2>that resilient space.

0:30:35.081 --> 0:30:36.440
<v Speaker 1>And I was going to say, what did you learn

0:30:36.481 --> 0:30:37.441
<v Speaker 1>about yourself during that?

0:30:37.721 --> 0:30:42.881
<v Speaker 2>Oh I'm a suck but cow, but you need to.

0:30:43.201 --> 0:30:45.321
<v Speaker 2>I think you need times where you're suki and you

0:30:45.361 --> 0:30:47.601
<v Speaker 2>need times when sit with it, sit with the shit

0:30:47.921 --> 0:30:49.200
<v Speaker 2>you do. You have to sit with it, you have

0:30:49.241 --> 0:30:50.960
<v Speaker 2>to deal with it, and you have to try to

0:30:51.001 --> 0:30:52.441
<v Speaker 2>move on. Am I perfect? Now?

0:30:53.081 --> 0:30:54.801
<v Speaker 1>You talk about the fact that when you leave footy

0:30:54.921 --> 0:30:57.440
<v Speaker 1>and it's not luck, I don't think. I think it's talent.

0:30:57.521 --> 0:31:00.081
<v Speaker 1>You are talented in front of a camera. And you

0:31:00.121 --> 0:31:02.881
<v Speaker 1>know you've done radio, You've done you know, TV, You've

0:31:02.921 --> 0:31:04.881
<v Speaker 1>done lots of gigs, speaking gigs.

0:31:05.121 --> 0:31:06.321
<v Speaker 2>I worked at those things too.

0:31:06.761 --> 0:31:09.041
<v Speaker 1>I know you're actually really good at it. Like, do

0:31:09.161 --> 0:31:10.881
<v Speaker 1>you realize how good you are in it? I've had

0:31:10.881 --> 0:31:12.801
<v Speaker 1>this conversation before, and I feel like I didn't sink in.

0:31:13.321 --> 0:31:16.001
<v Speaker 1>I was like, like, you sit here, and I think

0:31:16.041 --> 0:31:17.881
<v Speaker 1>you could do whatever you want in that space if

0:31:17.921 --> 0:31:19.481
<v Speaker 1>you just made it happen, like in a thing.

0:31:19.801 --> 0:31:22.761
<v Speaker 2>There's a new show coming, yeah, Thurday Night Live. It's

0:31:22.801 --> 0:31:25.521
<v Speaker 2>called when I was playing, I was so nervous to

0:31:25.561 --> 0:31:28.241
<v Speaker 2>do radio, so I went and did it. The TV stuff,

0:31:28.241 --> 0:31:30.121
<v Speaker 2>I was so nervous to do TV stuff, so when

0:31:30.121 --> 0:31:31.960
<v Speaker 2>I did it, we used to say it to our

0:31:32.001 --> 0:31:33.521
<v Speaker 2>girls all the time when they were little. It takes

0:31:33.521 --> 0:31:37.121
<v Speaker 2>one second to be brave, and you know, yeah, I

0:31:37.121 --> 0:31:39.601
<v Speaker 2>find it really sad now for some of our current

0:31:39.961 --> 0:31:44.161
<v Speaker 2>NRL stars, and actually any sporting stars is from a

0:31:44.321 --> 0:31:46.321
<v Speaker 2>broadcasters point of view, the stuff that I used to

0:31:46.361 --> 0:31:48.681
<v Speaker 2>do with Channel nine was me being my genuine self

0:31:48.681 --> 0:31:51.641
<v Speaker 2>and having fun. But we squashed that Now as soon

0:31:51.641 --> 0:31:56.240
<v Speaker 2>as anyone shows any type of character or you know,

0:31:56.321 --> 0:31:59.200
<v Speaker 2>a bit of gusto about them, we squashed them straight away.

0:31:59.281 --> 0:32:02.881
<v Speaker 2>And it's so sad to see because if that happened

0:32:02.921 --> 0:32:04.801
<v Speaker 2>to me when I was playing, I wouldn't do any

0:32:04.841 --> 0:32:05.681
<v Speaker 2>of the I think.

0:32:05.601 --> 0:32:08.001
<v Speaker 1>Someone mentioned you with the Last of your Kind because

0:32:08.041 --> 0:32:10.081
<v Speaker 1>the stuff that you came out sometimes is on TV.

0:32:10.761 --> 0:32:12.721
<v Speaker 1>Like for some people it was what they look forward

0:32:12.761 --> 0:32:13.921
<v Speaker 1>to at the end of the game and the show,

0:32:13.961 --> 0:32:15.321
<v Speaker 1>and it brought a bit of joy to a bit

0:32:15.321 --> 0:32:16.801
<v Speaker 1>of misery. So you're right, I don't think it'd be

0:32:16.841 --> 0:32:17.881
<v Speaker 1>tolerated in that now.

0:32:18.681 --> 0:32:21.601
<v Speaker 2>I've always tried to find balance with everything that I do,

0:32:21.721 --> 0:32:24.681
<v Speaker 2>so again any of the TV stuff, any of my

0:32:24.761 --> 0:32:29.041
<v Speaker 2>speaking engagements as well, again showing up as my genuine selves,

0:32:29.641 --> 0:32:33.041
<v Speaker 2>and I try to bring little bits of you know,

0:32:33.241 --> 0:32:35.601
<v Speaker 2>you don't want to go to see someone speaking on

0:32:35.681 --> 0:32:39.961
<v Speaker 2>stage about leadership and the this is our leader does

0:32:40.001 --> 0:32:41.960
<v Speaker 2>this is? It's like I have fun with it.

0:32:42.121 --> 0:32:42.401
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:32:42.481 --> 0:32:44.681
<v Speaker 2>When I talk about leadership, I talk about the different

0:32:44.721 --> 0:32:48.721
<v Speaker 2>leaders that I've had throughout my career and what made

0:32:48.721 --> 0:32:51.201
<v Speaker 2>them the good leaders that they were. I tell football

0:32:51.241 --> 0:32:54.681
<v Speaker 2>stories when it comes to leadership talks because it's what

0:32:54.801 --> 0:32:59.240
<v Speaker 2>I can relate to. And it's also so easy to

0:32:59.241 --> 0:33:02.161
<v Speaker 2>tell those stories, isn't it. Yeah. I've come to realize

0:33:02.201 --> 0:33:04.361
<v Speaker 2>now that I have so many transferable skills that came

0:33:04.401 --> 0:33:07.721
<v Speaker 2>out of my rug league career that I now implemented

0:33:07.761 --> 0:33:10.561
<v Speaker 2>my life and you know, hopefully they're helping me out

0:33:10.601 --> 0:33:13.441
<v Speaker 2>and I'm still paying the bill sets Okay.

0:33:13.161 --> 0:33:16.161
<v Speaker 1>Speaking of bravery, and I would have described you at

0:33:16.241 --> 0:33:19.200
<v Speaker 1>times as being very stoic like sort of especially going

0:33:19.201 --> 0:33:21.881
<v Speaker 1>through that period of transition for your career, instead of

0:33:21.921 --> 0:33:23.601
<v Speaker 1>everything's sort of you know, oh yeah, it's all good.

0:33:23.601 --> 0:33:25.361
<v Speaker 1>It's all good. You know, see me, everything's all right,

0:33:25.801 --> 0:33:27.921
<v Speaker 1>and then you go into something really vulnerable and you

0:33:28.041 --> 0:33:30.281
<v Speaker 1>go and you know, put a full series podcast out

0:33:30.281 --> 0:33:33.521
<v Speaker 1>and talk about actually how tough it's been, and you

0:33:33.561 --> 0:33:37.041
<v Speaker 1>talk about some real big topics around suicide and depression.

0:33:37.281 --> 0:33:38.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, even the people who know you really well

0:33:39.041 --> 0:33:41.001
<v Speaker 1>were like, oh wow, where that from?

0:33:41.961 --> 0:33:44.321
<v Speaker 2>There? It is because it was deep down? It was

0:33:44.321 --> 0:33:45.921
<v Speaker 2>obviously deep.

0:33:45.721 --> 0:33:47.280
<v Speaker 1>So what did it mean for you to share it? Like?

0:33:47.321 --> 0:33:50.081
<v Speaker 1>What made you decide to open up about that stuff?

0:33:50.401 --> 0:33:53.521
<v Speaker 2>I was doing some therapy at the time and opening

0:33:53.601 --> 0:33:57.601
<v Speaker 2>up to my therapist and just through the conversation thought

0:33:57.641 --> 0:34:00.601
<v Speaker 2>it would be beneficial to share those things again. You

0:34:00.641 --> 0:34:02.401
<v Speaker 2>talk about how many people ask you to see me

0:34:02.561 --> 0:34:05.321
<v Speaker 2>like that intents all the time and crazy and whatever.

0:34:06.001 --> 0:34:08.081
<v Speaker 2>People ask those questions all the time. And it was

0:34:08.721 --> 0:34:12.641
<v Speaker 2>to shy Upe as one of my genuine selves and

0:34:13.441 --> 0:34:15.641
<v Speaker 2>tell a couple of stories. You can go and listen

0:34:15.681 --> 0:34:16.321
<v Speaker 2>to the podcast.

0:34:17.081 --> 0:34:18.241
<v Speaker 1>I recommend it.

0:34:18.241 --> 0:34:20.601
<v Speaker 2>It's called We Are Human And there's a poem on

0:34:20.601 --> 0:34:22.361
<v Speaker 2>them that I wrote about the Boy on the Wall

0:34:22.601 --> 0:34:26.520
<v Speaker 2>and like that was something I buried deep and again

0:34:26.601 --> 0:34:28.841
<v Speaker 2>going through a little bit of struggle. I can't even

0:34:28.841 --> 0:34:31.841
<v Speaker 2>remember exactly what age I was, but yeah, I was

0:34:32.041 --> 0:34:35.681
<v Speaker 2>going through a tough time again, lack of identity, didn't

0:34:35.721 --> 0:34:37.480
<v Speaker 2>know where I fit in, didn't know what I wanted

0:34:37.521 --> 0:34:40.201
<v Speaker 2>to do with my life. And I rode to the

0:34:40.281 --> 0:34:43.841
<v Speaker 2>Kelso Dam, which is not far from my house, and

0:34:44.161 --> 0:34:47.601
<v Speaker 2>towns were being pretty dry, where the damn spillway was

0:34:48.281 --> 0:34:53.281
<v Speaker 2>sat on the wall, and just kind of was contemplating

0:34:53.321 --> 0:34:59.161
<v Speaker 2>my own life and yeah, yeah, and then pretty damn

0:34:59.241 --> 0:35:03.161
<v Speaker 2>close to just leaping, jumping off and ending it there.

0:35:04.121 --> 0:35:08.681
<v Speaker 2>But so glad that I gave myself a chance to

0:35:08.761 --> 0:35:10.801
<v Speaker 2>see the next day, because.

0:35:11.521 --> 0:35:13.601
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what made you get on your bike and right home.

0:35:14.401 --> 0:35:16.441
<v Speaker 2>I was more worried in my mind of what my

0:35:16.521 --> 0:35:20.561
<v Speaker 2>family would have gone through. So I'm glad that that

0:35:20.761 --> 0:35:23.721
<v Speaker 2>was the last thought that I had. Was the you know,

0:35:23.801 --> 0:35:28.041
<v Speaker 2>the literally fuck moment about you. Your family's the people

0:35:28.041 --> 0:35:29.801
<v Speaker 2>that are still here are the ones that have to

0:35:29.841 --> 0:35:32.841
<v Speaker 2>deal with your actions at the end of the day.

0:35:32.881 --> 0:35:35.681
<v Speaker 2>They're the ones that I left behind. And I didn't

0:35:35.681 --> 0:35:38.440
<v Speaker 2>want to put that burden on my parents, because yeah,

0:35:38.441 --> 0:35:40.681
<v Speaker 2>I didn't have the most privileged life. It was pretty

0:35:40.721 --> 0:35:42.361
<v Speaker 2>tough when Dad got out of the Air Force and

0:35:42.641 --> 0:35:45.881
<v Speaker 2>struggled to find himself after a while. Again, you know,

0:35:46.481 --> 0:35:48.961
<v Speaker 2>similar my dad. He joined the Air Force to travel

0:35:49.001 --> 0:35:52.361
<v Speaker 2>and see Australia and do some different things. And he

0:35:52.401 --> 0:35:54.641
<v Speaker 2>was in the Air Force for twenty one years and

0:35:54.681 --> 0:35:56.641
<v Speaker 2>then I think he had a couple of little odd

0:35:56.681 --> 0:35:58.761
<v Speaker 2>jobs there for a while. He worked at a chemist,

0:35:59.161 --> 0:36:03.121
<v Speaker 2>he worked for a furniture place where he just delivered furniture,

0:36:03.761 --> 0:36:06.841
<v Speaker 2>and then he end up starting to be a teacher.

0:36:07.081 --> 0:36:10.521
<v Speaker 2>It showed me that you can do multiple jobs in

0:36:10.561 --> 0:36:12.921
<v Speaker 2>your life. You don't have to just be put in

0:36:12.921 --> 0:36:15.641
<v Speaker 2>one basket forever. And you know, it just showed me

0:36:15.681 --> 0:36:17.601
<v Speaker 2>that you can achieve anything in your life and you

0:36:17.601 --> 0:36:20.001
<v Speaker 2>don't have to just be stuck in one box forever.

0:36:20.921 --> 0:36:23.481
<v Speaker 1>When you rode back that day, though, from what I understand,

0:36:23.521 --> 0:36:25.440
<v Speaker 1>you didn't tell your parents what you were going to do, right,

0:36:25.521 --> 0:36:27.521
<v Speaker 1>so they just found out probably in the last couple

0:36:27.521 --> 0:36:27.921
<v Speaker 1>of years.

0:36:28.201 --> 0:36:32.801
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I had. I was sweating profusely. Yeah, I was

0:36:32.881 --> 0:36:35.601
<v Speaker 2>so nervous when I had written the poem in twenty

0:36:35.681 --> 0:36:39.121
<v Speaker 2>nineteen and had done some of the work I needed

0:36:39.161 --> 0:36:41.801
<v Speaker 2>to do around it, you know, trying to fit in

0:36:42.521 --> 0:36:45.441
<v Speaker 2>knowing understand that I am loved all those different things.

0:36:45.761 --> 0:36:49.121
<v Speaker 2>And once I kind of got the poem out, I

0:36:49.201 --> 0:36:52.081
<v Speaker 2>knew that well, I'm going to do a podcast around this,

0:36:52.161 --> 0:36:53.521
<v Speaker 2>so I'm going to get it out there and put

0:36:53.561 --> 0:36:55.401
<v Speaker 2>it out there. I need to make sure that my

0:36:55.481 --> 0:36:58.761
<v Speaker 2>parents know before yep, I do, because I want them

0:36:58.801 --> 0:37:02.241
<v Speaker 2>to hear it from me, not from someone else, and

0:37:02.601 --> 0:37:08.481
<v Speaker 2>talk about tough conversation, but a conversation that needed to happen,

0:37:08.881 --> 0:37:13.321
<v Speaker 2>and to see how supportive mom and dad were and

0:37:13.361 --> 0:37:16.281
<v Speaker 2>they had no idea and I was a little angry

0:37:16.361 --> 0:37:19.401
<v Speaker 2>kid and didn't understand my hormones to the point where

0:37:19.441 --> 0:37:21.561
<v Speaker 2>Mum brought me a boxing back when I was a kid.

0:37:21.881 --> 0:37:24.201
<v Speaker 2>She would know if I had a day at school

0:37:24.201 --> 0:37:26.161
<v Speaker 2>if one of my brothers was annoying me, because I

0:37:26.161 --> 0:37:28.121
<v Speaker 2>would be out there. I'd be punching the bag as

0:37:28.121 --> 0:37:30.641
<v Speaker 2>hard as I could. But it was a conversation I

0:37:30.681 --> 0:37:32.841
<v Speaker 2>needed to have a little bit for mom and dad,

0:37:32.881 --> 0:37:36.881
<v Speaker 2>but more for myself because the burden of holding onto

0:37:36.921 --> 0:37:38.881
<v Speaker 2>that for so long was massive.

0:37:39.121 --> 0:37:41.241
<v Speaker 1>I think there's a theme that I look back and go,

0:37:41.801 --> 0:37:44.480
<v Speaker 1>what did Sammy need in those moments in his life?

0:37:44.561 --> 0:37:46.480
<v Speaker 1>Right like you think about it because you're a parent now,

0:37:46.881 --> 0:37:48.441
<v Speaker 1>what did you need from your parents back then? What

0:37:48.441 --> 0:37:50.641
<v Speaker 1>did you need from the coaching stuff back then? Was

0:37:50.681 --> 0:37:52.601
<v Speaker 1>it someone to be able to talk to you more

0:37:52.641 --> 0:37:53.681
<v Speaker 1>about how you're feeling?

0:37:53.881 --> 0:37:56.321
<v Speaker 2>Oh, definitely. It's not our parents at the end of

0:37:56.321 --> 0:37:58.561
<v Speaker 2>the day too, so you know, and I never placed

0:37:58.561 --> 0:38:01.881
<v Speaker 2>any blame on them for our childhood at all, because

0:38:02.161 --> 0:38:05.321
<v Speaker 2>they were just doing what they were taught, how they

0:38:05.401 --> 0:38:08.281
<v Speaker 2>learned how to parent. We can only learn from the

0:38:08.281 --> 0:38:10.441
<v Speaker 2>way that we were parented, come up with our own

0:38:10.521 --> 0:38:13.321
<v Speaker 2>styles of parenting and continue to show up.

0:38:13.641 --> 0:38:18.561
<v Speaker 1>You're cruising high speed towards forty as she's twelve months away,

0:38:18.561 --> 0:38:21.081
<v Speaker 1>isn't it all less? So it's a milestone. I know,

0:38:21.121 --> 0:38:23.241
<v Speaker 1>as a woman who's forty two, right, a lot of

0:38:23.241 --> 0:38:25.521
<v Speaker 1>stuff changes. What are you not bothered by now that

0:38:25.561 --> 0:38:28.521
<v Speaker 1>there's a young football player you see to get worried about, like,

0:38:28.881 --> 0:38:30.361
<v Speaker 1>you know, self doubt. I think I've read a bit

0:38:30.401 --> 0:38:32.521
<v Speaker 1>about you at times where oh, yeah, you know you

0:38:32.601 --> 0:38:34.721
<v Speaker 1>had that self doubt, Like has that got better as

0:38:34.721 --> 0:38:35.881
<v Speaker 1>you got older or worse?

0:38:36.721 --> 0:38:40.440
<v Speaker 2>It's different self doubt now though, Okay, you know, any

0:38:40.481 --> 0:38:44.601
<v Speaker 2>little idea I have or business opportunities or they think

0:38:44.681 --> 0:38:48.161
<v Speaker 2>you're forever doubting yourself and thinking, you know, can I

0:38:48.201 --> 0:38:48.481
<v Speaker 2>do it?

0:38:48.641 --> 0:38:48.961
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:38:49.001 --> 0:38:51.081
<v Speaker 2>But that's probably something that I do need to work on.

0:38:51.321 --> 0:38:52.921
<v Speaker 2>There still is a little bit of self doubt that

0:38:53.001 --> 0:38:55.121
<v Speaker 2>creeps in, and I think it creeps in for most

0:38:55.161 --> 0:38:57.841
<v Speaker 2>people when it comes to anything, trying something new, doing

0:38:57.881 --> 0:39:00.641
<v Speaker 2>something new, it's always scary, but you know, you just

0:39:00.681 --> 0:39:02.681
<v Speaker 2>got to go back to that old one second to

0:39:02.721 --> 0:39:05.521
<v Speaker 2>be brave, and you just got to leap and have

0:39:05.601 --> 0:39:10.081
<v Speaker 2>a kraken. The thing that I worry and I'm concerned

0:39:10.121 --> 0:39:14.081
<v Speaker 2>about is like, I want to be around for my

0:39:14.321 --> 0:39:18.960
<v Speaker 2>kids when they have kids. So for me coming into

0:39:18.961 --> 0:39:21.841
<v Speaker 2>my forties, I need to make sure that all right,

0:39:21.961 --> 0:39:23.481
<v Speaker 2>I need to make sure I'm ticking a lot more

0:39:23.481 --> 0:39:25.521
<v Speaker 2>boxes when it comes to the health side of things.

0:39:25.561 --> 0:39:27.441
<v Speaker 2>I need to make sure that I see a doctor

0:39:27.481 --> 0:39:31.481
<v Speaker 2>regularly and make sure that I trained so hard for

0:39:31.521 --> 0:39:34.841
<v Speaker 2>so many years that I can easily use it as

0:39:34.881 --> 0:39:38.401
<v Speaker 2>an excuse sometimes not too yeah, right, And I heard

0:39:38.401 --> 0:39:40.481
<v Speaker 2>someone the other day talk about we would do anything

0:39:40.521 --> 0:39:42.601
<v Speaker 2>for our kids, and sometimes we say we would die

0:39:42.641 --> 0:39:45.081
<v Speaker 2>for our kids, but we need to start living for

0:39:45.121 --> 0:39:47.641
<v Speaker 2>our kids. So that's probably something that I need to

0:39:47.681 --> 0:39:48.561
<v Speaker 2>work on going forward.

0:39:48.721 --> 0:39:50.481
<v Speaker 1>A little Bernie might have told me that you might

0:39:50.521 --> 0:39:53.521
<v Speaker 1>be dabbling. I mean, you're a big kid yourself. Let's

0:39:53.561 --> 0:39:55.481
<v Speaker 1>be honest, and it turns out you might like writing

0:39:55.561 --> 0:39:56.321
<v Speaker 1>kids books too.

0:39:56.761 --> 0:40:00.041
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I do. Actually, that's got some hopefully that will

0:40:00.081 --> 0:40:03.401
<v Speaker 2>be coming out very soon. So I'm working. I'm working

0:40:03.481 --> 0:40:07.041
<v Speaker 2>very closely with the which are the former Origin Greats,

0:40:07.321 --> 0:40:10.521
<v Speaker 2>and they run a program in primary schools called the

0:40:10.641 --> 0:40:16.001
<v Speaker 2>ARTI program, which is an acronym for Achieving Results through

0:40:16.481 --> 0:40:20.081
<v Speaker 2>Indigenous Education. I would love to get these books out

0:40:20.081 --> 0:40:23.561
<v Speaker 2>in January to start the new school year. I've been

0:40:23.601 --> 0:40:26.601
<v Speaker 2>sitting on them for a little while and they're just

0:40:27.321 --> 0:40:30.561
<v Speaker 2>Indigenous tales that I'd heard as a kid. And the

0:40:30.601 --> 0:40:33.641
<v Speaker 2>whole idea is when I was a kid, I struggle

0:40:33.721 --> 0:40:36.241
<v Speaker 2>to read now still. I remember I had to do

0:40:36.321 --> 0:40:38.601
<v Speaker 2>something on the Footy Show once and they had the

0:40:38.641 --> 0:40:41.801
<v Speaker 2>telepropter and I couldn't read it, and I just like

0:40:41.961 --> 0:40:45.161
<v Speaker 2>froze on TV and being quick with it. I just

0:40:45.241 --> 0:40:46.921
<v Speaker 2>kind of knew what we were talking about and I

0:40:46.961 --> 0:40:49.961
<v Speaker 2>just spoke about it anyway without reading what was on

0:40:50.041 --> 0:40:53.761
<v Speaker 2>the thing. So, you know, probably undiagnosed dyslexia. I probably

0:40:53.801 --> 0:40:56.201
<v Speaker 2>got add as well. But I remember being a kid

0:40:56.201 --> 0:40:59.121
<v Speaker 2>in going to school and not finding or seeing any

0:40:59.161 --> 0:41:02.561
<v Speaker 2>books that I wanted to read in the library. You know,

0:41:02.601 --> 0:41:04.641
<v Speaker 2>a lot of the things I've spoken about today that

0:41:04.761 --> 0:41:07.601
<v Speaker 2>lack identity is like I wanted to read the dream

0:41:07.641 --> 0:41:10.521
<v Speaker 2>Time Stories, but there's no Torres Strait Dreamtime Stories or

0:41:10.521 --> 0:41:13.241
<v Speaker 2>all stories of the Torres Straits. So I've got a

0:41:13.281 --> 0:41:15.681
<v Speaker 2>story about Gary the Garfish.

0:41:15.881 --> 0:41:17.201
<v Speaker 1>Gary the garfis Garry.

0:41:17.001 --> 0:41:19.081
<v Speaker 2>Garfish and how he broke his nose. I've got a

0:41:19.121 --> 0:41:21.761
<v Speaker 2>story about the grandmother Turtle, how she was sick and

0:41:21.761 --> 0:41:24.481
<v Speaker 2>tired of swimming around the world, and she found a

0:41:24.481 --> 0:41:26.521
<v Speaker 2>sandbar and she laid down and she became an island,

0:41:26.561 --> 0:41:28.241
<v Speaker 2>and all of her kids come back and they lay

0:41:28.241 --> 0:41:32.001
<v Speaker 2>their eggs on the island now. So it's about motherhood

0:41:32.041 --> 0:41:35.960
<v Speaker 2>and keeping your family close. And then I've got another book,

0:41:35.961 --> 0:41:38.201
<v Speaker 2>which is I got to finish it, which is about

0:41:38.241 --> 0:41:40.121
<v Speaker 2>the Pearl chall It's about bullying at the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the day, so about inner beauty.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, I cannot wait to see these come out. This

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<v Speaker 1>is great. I love it. Seemy. I hope you realize

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<v Speaker 1>that you're a big advocate for the indigenous space and

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<v Speaker 1>also for mental health. And you'll never know the answer

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<v Speaker 1>to this, but somewhere out there, someone's listened to something

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<v Speaker 1>and gone it's okay to say this because Sammy does,

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<v Speaker 1>and someone's gone, do you know what? I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>get to know my culture more because Sammy's doing this.

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<v Speaker 1>So I hope sometimes you remember the impact you're having

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<v Speaker 1>on people. I think sometimes it can get lost a bit.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't always know it.

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<v Speaker 2>I do always tell people when I do a speech,

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<v Speaker 2>and I always introduce myself, and I always say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>if you don't know who I am, please don't google me.

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<v Speaker 1>Because.

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<v Speaker 2>Half of the stuff that comes up if you giggle me.

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<v Speaker 1>Is nonsense as I read.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I hope that people are getting their information

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<v Speaker 2>about Samada from podcasts, from seeing me on TV, from books,

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<v Speaker 2>all different things.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to let end with one question. Let's go

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<v Speaker 1>back to seventeen year old SAMMI. Yeah, you're good Moper hair.

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<v Speaker 1>Then I do miss your hair. If I'm honest, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be the end of the year.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll get it fixed, little.

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<v Speaker 1>Flitting there in the front.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'll get some plugs soon.

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<v Speaker 1>But so seventeen year old Sammy football is off the table.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, all professional sports off the table. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>going to happen, right, What else would SEMy have gone

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<v Speaker 1>and done? If you look back now and all that

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<v Speaker 1>was done. What career path might I be finding you

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<v Speaker 1>in now?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, A lot of the subjects I did at school

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<v Speaker 2>were the direction I was going in was a building

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<v Speaker 2>and construction industry. So eleven and grade twelve I did

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<v Speaker 2>graphic design, I did trading business mass, I did mental work,

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<v Speaker 2>I did woodwork. And we had a course at school

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<v Speaker 2>too that we did was called a building construction course

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<v Speaker 2>where we learn different skills when it come to building.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'll probably be in the building industry. I'd probably

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<v Speaker 2>own my own business. I'd be as big as hutches,

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<v Speaker 2>I reckon. I love a flat pack challenge.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so glad you've told me that because I don't

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<v Speaker 1>and I need someone to do mine.

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<v Speaker 2>I liked the idea of sometimes not following the instructions.

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<v Speaker 1>Either, great, that could just go.

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<v Speaker 2>It's cool. It's a puzzle and you've got to put

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<v Speaker 2>it together and figure out how it all fits.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'll be bringing you for the next flight pack.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been a pleasure, Sammy. Thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 1>chatting today.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you