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Speaker 1: because I never seen him do it. You know, if

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Speaker 1: he's a fucking Dog's a dog. You know what I mean. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: for like when Michael Brewery was shot the copper, you know,

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Speaker 1: And he always did it, He always thrown me in

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Speaker 1: He said that Chris Flannery has just told people in

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Speaker 1: Roger Rogerson even made a tape of DVD called Roger

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Speaker 1: Rogerson's Part One Part Too. If anyone gets it, you

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Speaker 1: who rings me back? He said, Graham. I really knew

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Speaker 1: I went. So I said, well, listen, I lost five

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Speaker 1: Then after we just went down and sat down the thing,

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Speaker 1: I fucking shouldn't listen to you all that sort of ship. Well,

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Speaker 1: in the fucking end, I fucking got raped in there

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Speaker 1: they'd been doing. Right, So next minute he louse me

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Speaker 1: And he said, so they've gone into hiding. He said,

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Speaker 1: will go and leave them on Saturday. He said, we'll

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Speaker 1: give them a couple of guns. We'll give them a

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Speaker 1: he said, and just let them go and then we

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Speaker 1: I'll say no, I'll just meet you wherever he is

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Speaker 1: I said, all right, fucking down, all right, uh go

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Speaker 1: front of the fucking pub, the Lord Wolvesley of the Alderman,

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Speaker 1: and I said, come on, opened up the door, and

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Speaker 1: called me right And I went, yeah, what about it?

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Speaker 1: And he said, well, can you just drop the fucking

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Speaker 1: the next minute. My money been gone about three minutes.

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Speaker 1: Here it is, fucking see you later. I'm fucking out

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