WEBVTT - Relatable or risky? The PM’s podcast problem

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<v Speaker 1>We're at rapid fire questions Now every guest gets asked these. Shag,

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<v Speaker 1>Mary Date, Kylie Minogue, Nicole Kibman or Ronda Birchmore.

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<v Speaker 2>I've just got married. I managed six months in.

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<v Speaker 3>Anthony Albanezi has with growing confidence, spent years trying to

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<v Speaker 3>convince voters he's relatable.

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<v Speaker 2>But if a ghost tips up, let's just pretend.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, Kylie clearly, But this week that confidence carried him

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<v Speaker 3>somewhere the office of Prime Minister probably shouldn't go in Mary,

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<v Speaker 3>Kylie and Shagger and data, all.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the above. All right, it's a triple. She's terrific.

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<v Speaker 3>The apology came quickly, then, as the Prime Minister turned

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<v Speaker 3>to rugby league diplomacy in the Pacific, China tested a

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<v Speaker 3>missile capable of carrying a nuclear warhead. It was a

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<v Speaker 3>week that meets swiftly from political embarrassment to regional unease

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<v Speaker 3>and left Labour managing the Prime Minister's image at home

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<v Speaker 3>and Australia's influence abroad. I'm Daniel James, and you're listening

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<v Speaker 3>to seven AM today. Press gallery veteran Poor Joorno on

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<v Speaker 3>a turbulent week for Anthony Alberzi, marked with missteps, a

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<v Speaker 3>communication breakdown, and a focus on Pacific diplomacy in tumultuous

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<v Speaker 3>geo political waters. It's Saturday, July eleven. Paul the PM

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<v Speaker 3>started the week with an apology after some unfortunate comments

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<v Speaker 3>on a comedy podcast. That's a rookie aera, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, surely it's beyond the office of the PM.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you don't eat an onion on camera. We

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<v Speaker 3>all know this by now. But you also don't play

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<v Speaker 3>shag Marry date, do you?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you certainly don't. I mean I really agree.

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<v Speaker 3>I never thought i'd ask you a question like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean Alberanizi prides himself on being able to be

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<v Speaker 4>a relatable person talking to people off the piece, as

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<v Speaker 4>it were, But to assume the persona of a sort

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<v Speaker 4>of a Benny Hill smut comedian talking to Nicki Osborne,

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<v Speaker 4>who by the way, calls herself Bushy and her podcast

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<v Speaker 4>is called bush Deep, which is a you know, it's

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<v Speaker 4>a sexual pun and the previous videos have had millions

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<v Speaker 4>of views, so we all know sex cells. But is

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<v Speaker 4>this really the message that the Prime Minister of Australia wants.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not only beneath the Prime Minister. You'd think it's

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<v Speaker 4>beneath any decent person.

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<v Speaker 3>Frankly, this isn't the first time and any of you

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<v Speaker 3>like this has gone wrong for the Prime minister. Earlier

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<v Speaker 3>this year there was a running with an FM radio

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<v Speaker 3>host say the possibility of a royal commission in the femicide.

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<v Speaker 4>It's calls for royal commission about everything.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think it's the women are pretty paramount.

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<v Speaker 1>But you've got to work out what does a royal

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<v Speaker 1>commission do besides fun lawyers.

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<v Speaker 3>Do Missteps like these leave him open to criticism for

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<v Speaker 3>having a woman problem.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I look, it's a bit mystifying because as his defenders,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean the acting Prime Minister, Miles and Tanya Plivasek.

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<v Speaker 4>By the way, plibask wasn't told that Albanizi had put

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<v Speaker 4>out an apology for his remarks in regard to shagging

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<v Speaker 4>Kylie Minogue, but they were able to point to the

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<v Speaker 4>record of the Albanesi government.

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<v Speaker 5>So the Prime Minister nipped in the bud and apologize. Well,

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<v Speaker 5>I haven't listened to the whole of the podcast. I

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<v Speaker 5>just heard that excerpt that you played then. But what

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<v Speaker 5>I'd say on women's equality in this country is that

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<v Speaker 5>no government's been better for it.

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<v Speaker 4>It has the biggest representation of women, not only on

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<v Speaker 4>its backbench, but half of the cabinet is women. It's

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<v Speaker 4>done more for gender equity and pay equity than any

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<v Speaker 4>other government, which makes.

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<v Speaker 2>It all the more mystifying.

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<v Speaker 4>Why you'd want to send out an image that runs

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<v Speaker 4>counter to that sensibility.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I guess you could see why Albai does

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<v Speaker 3>want to do these less serious interviews. Man, we're talking

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<v Speaker 3>always talking about our politicians wanting them to be more.

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<v Speaker 2>Real, more relatable.

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<v Speaker 3>But do you think that it's worth the risk for

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<v Speaker 3>the PM?

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<v Speaker 4>We would be that he and his staff should vet

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<v Speaker 4>these podcasts. You know who's doing them, why are they

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<v Speaker 4>doing them, and what are the risks? I mean even

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<v Speaker 4>Nicky Osborne herself said that the Prime Minister took a

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<v Speaker 4>big risk but gave her comedy goal.

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<v Speaker 3>A certainly good publicity at the very least exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>But look, Albaneze's a pig headed when it comes to

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<v Speaker 4>all of this. He's very confident that he can handle

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<v Speaker 4>any situation, but it does seem that the context got

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<v Speaker 4>away from him.

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<v Speaker 2>Really.

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<v Speaker 4>He also in the podcast tells Nicky Osborne that it's

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<v Speaker 4>very rare for him to let any media into the lodge.

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<v Speaker 4>They're in the sitting room of the lodge and was

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<v Speaker 4>clearly set up. I mean, for example, not only did

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<v Speaker 4>she come in her persona as Bushy, but they had

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<v Speaker 4>two fingers of whiskey each to share. You know, this

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<v Speaker 4>sort of innuendos going all the way through it, talking

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<v Speaker 4>about his sex life, talking about the Prime Minister of

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<v Speaker 4>Japan's melons, you know, all this sort of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>The Japanese Prime Minister brought a melon? How did you

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<v Speaker 2>get that through custom?

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<v Speaker 1>She at a royal melon.

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<v Speaker 3>She smuggled it was a she shed, she smuggle it.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a couple of melons. She brought two. She

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<v Speaker 2>brought too, as you do. She just came in looking

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<v Speaker 2>like Pamela r Anders. She brought to yes, and they're beautiful.

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<v Speaker 4>Someone should have said, and maybe ALBANIZI should have said,

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<v Speaker 4>oh what am I doing here? And if I don't

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<v Speaker 4>play along, I might look like a stuffed shirt? And

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<v Speaker 4>is there any way out for me other than to

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<v Speaker 4>say lovely to meet you, Nikki, goodbye?

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<v Speaker 3>Coming up meetings and missiles in the Pacific.

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<v Speaker 2>Paul.

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<v Speaker 3>This week the PAM was doing security deals without specific neighbors.

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<v Speaker 3>You called it Rugula League diplomacy. How significant were those meetings?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? Though very significant.

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<v Speaker 4>In fact, the Albanese government since it came to power

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<v Speaker 4>has done more than merely repair the neglect of the

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<v Speaker 4>Morrison government. It has filled a void really that the

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<v Speaker 4>Americans have left to the soft diplomacy of China over

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<v Speaker 4>the past decade.

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<v Speaker 2>And it has forged a.

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<v Speaker 4>New treaty with Fiji which was signed during the week,

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<v Speaker 4>which is of the same ilk as the Ans treaty, namely,

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<v Speaker 4>and we've got one now with Papua New Guinea as well,

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<v Speaker 4>that if either of these nations are attacked by a

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<v Speaker 4>third force, then we will come to their aid, which

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<v Speaker 4>raises the question how which I must say that while

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<v Speaker 4>the opposition actually supports everything the government's doing in the

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<v Speaker 4>South Pacific, James Patterson, the Shadow Defense Minister, did wonder

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<v Speaker 4>whether we had the missiles and the equipment two come

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<v Speaker 4>to anybody's aid, or even our own aid. If a

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<v Speaker 4>missile like the one tested by the Chinese was aimed

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<v Speaker 4>at Sydney or Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's right to call it provocative. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's right to call it destabilizing. I'd also say it's

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<v Speaker 1>coercive and intimidatory, and I think it is designed to

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<v Speaker 1>threaten Pacific island nations in particular and intimidate them. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's about demonstrating China's capabilities military capabilities which are very formidable.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think the People's Republic of China should think

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<v Speaker 1>very carefully about the long term consequence of this.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's talk about that, because during his meetings in the Pacific,

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<v Speaker 3>China launched a missile test with a missile that was

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<v Speaker 3>capable of carrying a nuclear warhead. Was there any connection

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<v Speaker 3>between the test and the meetings? Do you think it

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<v Speaker 3>was aimed at sending Australia and the island nations a message?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, look, there's conflicting views about this. Government insiders I

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<v Speaker 4>spoke to have absolutely no doubt that this was a

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<v Speaker 4>message not only to Australia but to Pacific island nations

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<v Speaker 4>that China is around and by the way, where to

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<v Speaker 4>be taken seriously. Now, the Prime Minister said it was

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<v Speaker 4>disruptive of the region. The Opposition took a harder line

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<v Speaker 4>and they said it was China intimidating the region. Which

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<v Speaker 4>is interestingly the Prime Minister of the Solomons actually agrees

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<v Speaker 4>with James Patterson when he says China was trying to

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<v Speaker 4>intimidate us. It's not the action of a friend and

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<v Speaker 4>we will not be intimidated.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a very interesting.

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<v Speaker 4>View which I hadn't appreciated until I spoke to Sam

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<v Speaker 4>Rogaven from the Lower Institute, who's a security expert.

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<v Speaker 2>He actually agrees.

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<v Speaker 4>And accepts the explanation of the Chinese Foreign Ministry that

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<v Speaker 4>this test was routine and according with international law. He

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<v Speaker 4>says that what happens with nuclear armed states and submarines

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<v Speaker 4>they test their weapons, which are reactive weapons. They are

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<v Speaker 4>defensive to be fired in terms of if there's any

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<v Speaker 4>nuclear attack on the mainland or on Chinese assets or

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<v Speaker 4>American assets. And Rogavin pointed out in the past twelve

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<v Speaker 4>months alone, the Americans have carried out four of these

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<v Speaker 4>tests in their Pacific ballistic testing range, while the Prime

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<v Speaker 4>Minister of the solomon says, in fact, the Pacific island

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<v Speaker 4>nations don't want anybody testingstic missiles in the Pacific. There

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<v Speaker 4>are critics I was reading yesterday in New Zealand that

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<v Speaker 4>say that Australia New Zealand and some of the Pacific

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<v Speaker 4>islands a bit too faced about this. They don't criticize

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<v Speaker 4>America doing exactly what they criticized China for, and under

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<v Speaker 4>successive governments, now Australia's basically become a military outpost of

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<v Speaker 4>the United States.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess when we're talking about the reaction from the opposition,

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<v Speaker 3>do you think the opposition stands on net zero and

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<v Speaker 3>leaning into one nation type rhetoric over monoculture as they

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<v Speaker 3>are at the moment, Should the government be highlighting its

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<v Speaker 3>ability to engage with our Pacific neighbors as a real

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<v Speaker 3>point of difference between itself and the other side of politics.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, Deniel, I think it's it's very important that the

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<v Speaker 4>Australian government to deal with the Pacific island nations according

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<v Speaker 4>to its own policies on a whole range of key issues.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think what has been overlooked in some of

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<v Speaker 4>the reporting very high up. In fact, in a key

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<v Speaker 4>passage of the treaty between Australia and Fiji, the document

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<v Speaker 4>says that climate change quote is the single greatest threat

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<v Speaker 4>to the livelihood's security and well being of Pacific peoples.

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<v Speaker 4>Sidevani Rambuka the Prime Minister of Fiji actually pointed out

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<v Speaker 4>that climate change is an existential and present threat to

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<v Speaker 4>these nations and they are looking for not only Australia

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<v Speaker 4>but the rest of the world community to take more

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<v Speaker 4>notice and to treat the issue with more urgency.

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<v Speaker 2>And that of course is a real split.

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<v Speaker 4>Or fisher between the policies of the Australian Labor government

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<v Speaker 4>and the Liberal National Party opposition. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 4>also one nation who actually thinks that climate change science

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<v Speaker 4>is a joke and a hoax quote unquote.

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<v Speaker 3>There's also a practical bit in the agreement that says

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<v Speaker 3>Australia and Vanawati plan to work together on renewable energy,

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<v Speaker 3>renewable power for Vaniwati's communities, wasn't there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean they're looking for support from Australia and they're

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<v Speaker 4>getting it.

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<v Speaker 5>All.

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<v Speaker 3>This comes Paul at a time when Indian Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 3>Narendra Modi is in Australia for the annual meeting with

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<v Speaker 3>our Prime Minister. How significant is our relationship with India becoming,

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<v Speaker 3>particularly during such an unstable time in global politics.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really interesting.

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<v Speaker 4>India is, of course the largest democracy in the world.

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<v Speaker 4>But people forget that India was always during the Cold

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<v Speaker 4>War non aligned, and even now it takes a more

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<v Speaker 4>non aligned stance and for example does not share Australia's

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<v Speaker 4>view of Russia's invasion of Ukraine. So there is this,

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<v Speaker 4>in a sense, almost to disconnect. However, we can't ignore

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<v Speaker 4>India for several reasons. One is because it's such a

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<v Speaker 4>huge place and an emerging major economy. But there is

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<v Speaker 4>also now a very big people to people connection between

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<v Speaker 4>India and Australia, with the Indian diasper getting close to

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<v Speaker 4>overtaking the Chinese diasper, with something close to a million

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<v Speaker 4>Indians now making Australia home. In fact, while Moody was

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<v Speaker 4>in Melbourne this week, he held a big rally in

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<v Speaker 4>Marvel Stadium where he addressed them not in English, Paul Nansen,

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<v Speaker 4>but in Hindi.

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<v Speaker 3>Before I let's go, Paul. The Tawstra adage this week

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<v Speaker 3>was very quickly politicized by the Coalition saying Labour needs

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<v Speaker 3>to take urgent action about this and Holtalco's to account.

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<v Speaker 3>Labour tried to make it about Liberal Senator Sarah Henderson

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<v Speaker 3>Stunt after she made a test call to Triple zero.

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<v Speaker 3>But following the optics adage and now this with Taulstra,

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<v Speaker 3>is this a serious issue for the government having so

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<v Speaker 3>many of our essential ser linked to private talco operators.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, it certainly is, But I suspect that horse has bolted.

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<v Speaker 4>But you'd have to say, what's going on. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of people went back to Telstra after the

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<v Speaker 4>optics situation, and Vodafone had earlier issues. It seemed to

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<v Speaker 4>have sorted them all out. But I think the government

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<v Speaker 4>is certainly on notice after this Telstra outage that it

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<v Speaker 4>has to be seen to be taking this very seriously. Indeed,

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<v Speaker 4>now there is no doubt that the opposition, particularly Sarah Henderson,

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<v Speaker 4>the Shadow Minister in this area of communications.

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<v Speaker 2>Was quick and rushed to politicize it.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know that even when a strident critic like

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<v Speaker 4>Henderson speaks out and maybe she shouldn't have made her

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<v Speaker 4>own test calls to triple zero, in fact that there's

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<v Speaker 4>a suggestion she might have broken the law in doing it,

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<v Speaker 4>she has I think pinpointed a real and urgent crisis

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<v Speaker 4>that needs to be addressed by the government.

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<v Speaker 3>Paul, You've got one number. You can call me anytime.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks once again, for me on a seven am.

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