Speaker 1: Showing well, good evening and first tonight the Albanezi governments
Speaker 1: that Climate Change Authority is aiming for an even higher
Speaker 1: emissions reduction target of sixty five to seventy five percent
Speaker 1: by twenty thirty five. This is a massive increase on
Speaker 1: the current target of forty two percent by twenty thirty Now,
Speaker 1: while the Prime Minister wouldn't answer questions about his twenty
Speaker 1: thirty five target, today I can reveal the Climate Change
Speaker 1: Minister Chris Bowen, has written to his agency asking for
Speaker 1: advice on what the emissions reduction targets should be by
Speaker 1: twenty thirty five, and documents show that the agency once
Speaker 1: a target of between sixty five to seventy five percent,
Speaker 1: even though electricity prices are already through the roof. In
Speaker 1: this letter I've obtained, Chris Bowen writes, and I quote,
Speaker 1: I request the Climate Change Authority provide me with advice
Speaker 1: on potential national greenhouse gash emissions reduction targets for twenty
Speaker 1: thirty five, and he's asked for this new advice urgently,
Speaker 1: he wrote, in order to allow for sufficient time for
Speaker 1: consideration of all relevant issues. The government would appreciate the
Speaker 1: Authority providing its advice no earlier than first of October
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. Now, the Climate Change Authority is on
Speaker 1: record in these documents saying that the emission's reduction target
Speaker 1: needs to be even higher than the current twenty thirty
Speaker 1: target of forty two percent, which labor is already unlikely
Speaker 1: to meet. Tony Wood from the Gratin Institute has said
Speaker 1: the government will face immense challenges trying to meet even
Speaker 1: its current target.
Speaker 2: We're about halfway there, but it's taken this the last
Speaker 2: twenty years to get halfway there. We've got, you know,
Speaker 2: only five years to get the other half, and that
Speaker 2: looks really hard. Is it possible technically? Is but looks
Speaker 2: to be very challenging.
Speaker 3: Well, now let's go to the documents.
Speaker 1: In fact, Chris Bowen's agency once a target of sixty
Speaker 1: five to seventy five percent, as you can see in
Speaker 1: this twenty twenty four issues paper they've produced, and it
Speaker 1: states the evidence to date suggests the Authority consider targets
Speaker 1: broadly within the sixty five percent to seventy five percent range. Now,
Speaker 1: just to show you how extreme that is, it was
Speaker 1: the Green's policy at the last election to have a
Speaker 1: target of seventy five percent by twenty thirty. So here's
Speaker 1: Chris Bowen's own agency recommending that same Green's target of
Speaker 1: seventy five percent just five years later. And they admit
Speaker 1: in this document that this will need to meet that target,
Speaker 1: there will need to be even more action by households
Speaker 1: in businesses, and they say that ambitious targets could impact
Speaker 1: on our economy and society. And I quote the evidence
Speaker 1: the Authority has considered so far suggests a twenty thirty
Speaker 1: five target in the range of sixty five to seventy
Speaker 1: five percent below two thousand and five levels would be
Speaker 1: ambitious and could be achievable and sustainable if additional action
Speaker 1: is taken by governments, businesses, investors and households to achieve it.
Speaker 1: They say, however, attempting to go much faster could risk
Speaker 1: significant levels of economic and social disruption and put progress
Speaker 1: at risk significant levels of economic and social disruption. Now,
Speaker 1: electricity prices have already gone up by around twenty five
Speaker 1: percent a year since the election in twenty twenty two,
Speaker 1: and there are warnings that we could face blackouts in
Speaker 1: New South Wales and Victoria come summer.
Speaker 3: This is partly why labor.
Speaker 1: Premier are Chris Mins, the premiere in New South Wales,
Speaker 1: has now extended the life cycle of the state's largest
Speaker 1: coul fired power station.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 1: The Opposition leader Peter Dutton said today that if Australia
Speaker 1: has a forty two percent target, well, he says, imagine
Speaker 1: what a sixty five percent target would do.
Speaker 5: We saw the Prime Minister and his very angry state
Speaker 5: that he was in telling people that he couldn't really
Speaker 5: explain what a sixty five to seventy five percent target
Speaker 5: looks like. In February of next year, the government's going
Speaker 5: to have to sign up to a new target by
Speaker 5: twenty thirty five. What does it mean for families who
Speaker 5: are struggling at the moment where Anthony Albnezi promised at
Speaker 5: the last election that there would be a two hundred
Speaker 5: and seventy five dollars decrease in your power bill. Instead
Speaker 5: there's been one thousand dollars increase in your power bill.
Speaker 5: But how much higher will your electricity prices go under
Speaker 5: this prime minister?
Speaker 1: And the Prime Minister was asked about his twenty thirty
Speaker 1: five targets today and it's a relevant question given they
Speaker 1: need to be submitted to the UN by February next year,
Speaker 1: but Albin Easy didn't want to speak about what their
Speaker 1: twenty thirty five target would be.
Speaker 3: He wouldn't say a word. Can you gallantee?
Speaker 6: He will announce it thirty private target for minutes year.
Speaker 7: I'm guaranteeing the twenty thirty target that we have legislated,
Speaker 7: as well as knit zero by twenty fifty. What we're
Speaker 7: concentrating on is delivering forty three percent by twenty thirty
Speaker 7: and we've got a mechanism to get there well.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 1: As I've revealed tonight, Chris Bowen has given his agency
Speaker 1: until the first of October to prepare their formal advice
Speaker 1: on their twenty thirty five targets. But his own agency's
Speaker 1: analysis from this year shows that they do want an
Speaker 1: even more aggressive target of sixty five to say five percent,
Speaker 1: and there are concerns that this will have major social
Speaker 1: and economic consequences. Now, everyone can have their own view
Speaker 1: on what our targets should be, but there is one
Speaker 1: thing that we can all agree on that more ambitious
Speaker 1: targets in just a decade's time is something that the
Speaker 1: Alban Eazy government should be clear, transparent, honest and open
Speaker 1: about it. Shouldn't take us tracking down the detail to
Speaker 1: tell you about what they're planning. It's just like before
Speaker 1: the federal election when they took a small target agenda
Speaker 1: to the polls and then implemented radical change that they
Speaker 1: never told you about, whether it was on Middle East
Speaker 1: foreign policy, on border security, on immigration levels, or on
Speaker 1: ir reform. Once again, we're seeing alb and Easy today
Speaker 1: waving away questions, and you just saw it waving away
Speaker 1: questions about twenty thirty five targets when their own documents
Speaker 1: show plans are currently underway for extremely ambitious and aggressive targets,
Speaker 1: targets at the Greens held.
Speaker 3: In just a decade's time. Now.
Speaker 1: We'll discuss this with my panel in a moment. But
Speaker 1: also tonight, Labor under threat from Muslim independent candidates. This
Speaker 1: is partly why alban EASi is taking such a strong.
Speaker 3: Anti Israel stance.
Speaker 1: To discuss this, my exclusive interview tonight with former Labor
Speaker 1: Minister Mike Kelly on how his own party.
Speaker 3: Is betraying the Jewish community.
Speaker 1: Also American concerns about Australia's commitment to ORCUS. Shadow Defense
Speaker 1: Minister Andrew Hasty will be on the show live and
Speaker 1: the President's son Hunter Biden found guilty in his gun trial.
Speaker 1: Across Live to Washington for the latest. But first now
Speaker 1: let's bring in tonight's panel labor legend Graham Richardson and
Speaker 1: Liberal Senator James McGrath.
Speaker 3: Welcome to you both.
Speaker 1: Well, let's start with that climate change topic. And we
Speaker 1: saw today Peter Darton accusing the Prime Minister of destroying
Speaker 1: the economy while trying to meet net zero targets. Let's
Speaker 1: have a look at what he had to say.
Speaker 5: We want to make sure that we've got an energy
Speaker 5: policy that's working for Australians, not against them. I'm not
Speaker 5: going to sign up to an arrangement that destroys our
Speaker 5: economy and sends families and small businesses into bankruptcy.
Speaker 7: What Peter Dutton is saying is that he won't have
Speaker 7: a twenty thirty target. This is an extraordinary failure of
Speaker 7: leadership from Peter Dutton. It shows he's not up to
Speaker 7: the job of being the alternative prime minister of this country.
Speaker 1: Well, as The Nightly put it, the Prime Minister's attack
Speaker 1: on Peter Dutton's decision to dump the twenty thirty emissions
Speaker 1: target was and I quote, a hollow distraction from the
Speaker 1: real issues of cost of living and how our nation
Speaker 1: is going to handle the inflation challenge. All right, rich O,
Speaker 1: you think do you agree with that analysis there in
Speaker 1: the Nightly? Do you think the Prime Minister has dredged
Speaker 1: up the climate was once again as a distraction from
Speaker 1: his detainee scandal and in the hopes of scoring some
Speaker 1: political points over Dutton after that disastrous news poll for
Speaker 1: him just earlier this week.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't think this is Anthony's finest hour, and
Speaker 9: I think Dutton has had the best of the week,
Speaker 9: and I think there's been quite a gap between them.
Speaker 9: Dutton hasn't had a tremendous time as opposition leader, but
Speaker 9: he's coming into his own.
Speaker 10: Now and he's doing very well.
Speaker 9: Labor ought to be taking very very closely over, watching
Speaker 9: very very closely everything he does, because this thinks he
Speaker 9: can get there.
Speaker 3: Look, James, let's bring you in here.
Speaker 1: What is the coalition argument on rejecting net zero by
Speaker 1: twenty thirty, Because if as Peter Dutton says, and as
Speaker 1: the analysts say, just like Tony Wood from the Gratin Institute,
Speaker 1: if Labour's not going to meet those targets anyway, why
Speaker 1: not just put pressure on labor over that point.
Speaker 8: Because labor are misleading the Australian people. They've got these targets,
Speaker 8: they know they're not going to reach them. And what
Speaker 8: they're doing is what I call dead cat politics. You
Speaker 8: get a dead cat, you put it on the table.
Speaker 8: Everyone's looking the dead cat and forgetting about the real issues.
Speaker 8: And politicians do this all the time and Albanize is
Speaker 8: doing it. The number one issue in Australia at the
Speaker 8: moment is cost of living. It is everywhere. I was
Speaker 8: at Farmfest last week in Twomba and that's what people
Speaker 8: were talking about. And for labor to have these unrealistic targets,
Speaker 8: but targets are actually hurting businesses, hurting Australian families because
Speaker 8: it's driving up the cost of electricity. The Coalition's position
Speaker 8: is pretty clear. We support net zero by twenty fifty,
Speaker 8: but we want electricity to be affordable and reliable and
Speaker 8: we want to look at all forms of energy rich I.
Speaker 3: Do you agree with that?
Speaker 1: Do you think they're it'll be voter frustration with Albanezi
Speaker 1: returning to climate was when, as James McGrath says, cost
Speaker 1: of living is the central issue that families are really
Speaker 1: struggling with right now.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think Albow is going to have a hell
Speaker 9: of a battle on his hands to convince people that
Speaker 9: his priority is greater than their cost of living.
Speaker 10: Cost of living, cost of living, they're the first.
Speaker 9: Three issues, and you can't pretend that anything else is
Speaker 9: going to knock one of.
Speaker 10: Those three off. That's it, and you know.
Speaker 9: We have to work within that framework, and that's what
Speaker 9: labor's not doing at the moment.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Look, it's going to be a big issue.
Speaker 1: And of course we hear the news that it now
Speaker 1: looks like interest rates aren't going to be cut until
Speaker 1: at least twenty twenty five. So just sticking with you
Speaker 1: for a minute, Richo, that's going to do You think
Speaker 1: that would rule out any early election this year because
Speaker 1: the argument for an early election was off the back
Speaker 1: of an interest rate cut.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 9: I think certainly, were I in the job, I would
Speaker 9: not be going to the places this year. There'll be
Speaker 9: no relief inside and therefore you've got absolutely no advantage
Speaker 9: in going early. And you know people in the past
Speaker 9: you go early if you think it's going to be
Speaker 9: a big help to you. Well, I can't see any
Speaker 9: aid whatsoever going to Labor over this, so I'd be
Speaker 9: keep him a power to dry and I'd be looking
Speaker 9: at next year.
Speaker 1: And that is what the PM keeps saying. He keeps
Speaker 1: saying he intends to serve his full term. But the
Speaker 1: reports are James, that your side, the coalition is preparing
Speaker 1: for an early election. So are you expecting that Labor
Speaker 1: might go later this year?
Speaker 8: Our Poland House last week was full of rumors about
Speaker 8: an early election, whether it's going to be in August
Speaker 8: or There is one well known cabinet minister who was
Speaker 8: telling people to prepare for an early December election. Good
Speaker 8: oppositions always prepare for an early election. I know that
Speaker 8: Andrew Hurst as the Federal director and they can follow
Speaker 8: as the people NATS director, and David will Proud and
Speaker 8: Peter Dutton are getting their teams ready. We've got candidates
Speaker 8: being pre selected. We want an election sooner rather than
Speaker 8: later because we know that that Alban Easy is not
Speaker 8: up to the job of being Prime Minister.
Speaker 1: James, can I just pull you up on and what
Speaker 1: you just said said there which cabinet minister was talking
Speaker 1: about a December election.
Speaker 8: I don't want to say that, but the building was full.
Speaker 8: The building was full of rumors about this particular Labor cabinet.
Speaker 10: Minus always and.
Speaker 8: Those rumors are true.
Speaker 10: Also probably started them.
Speaker 3: It's just friends, tell us cabinet minister.
Speaker 8: That's officious and hurtful allegation. No, I won't say that,
Speaker 8: but what I'm going to say is that clearly the
Speaker 8: Labor Party are also looking at an early election. The
Speaker 8: Prime Minister has not ruled out calling an election this year,
Speaker 8: and to Richo's point, he will go when he thinks
Speaker 8: he can win, and I think in hees rates stay
Speaker 8: as they are. He probably won't go this year because
Speaker 8: of the economic circumstances. But all right, things can get
Speaker 8: a lot worse. So be scared, mister Albanizy, be scared.
Speaker 3: I'm honest warning that.
Speaker 1: All right, let's have a look at the advice today
Speaker 1: from Australia's former Deputy Chief Health Officer, doctor Nick Coatesworth.
Speaker 1: He's told ben Fordham on t GB that he's not
Speaker 1: going to get another COVID vaccine.
Speaker 3: Have a listen.
Speaker 6: I've had my influenza vaccine and I'm still being vaccinated
Speaker 6: for COVID. No, when did you stop doing that? About
Speaker 6: two years ago?
Speaker 3: I had three vaccines and that's been enough for me.
Speaker 8: Any reason why?
Speaker 3: Because I don't think I need any more, Ben and
Speaker 3: the science tells me that I don't. Rich.
Speaker 1: Oh, people would be very frustrated hearing this, given Nick
Speaker 1: Coatesworth encouraged everyone.
Speaker 3: To get a vaccine.
Speaker 1: In fact, it was mandated you couldn't go to a
Speaker 1: cafe with our one. And now he says, I know
Speaker 1: I haven't had one for two years.
Speaker 9: So find that a bit extraordinary given what he has
Speaker 9: said in the past, and the way he said it
Speaker 9: so nonchalantly, just really surprises me.
Speaker 10: And it's got to say it disappoints me.
Speaker 1: What do you think, James, I mean, the advice around
Speaker 1: vaccines has changed dramatically, And you know what is worrying
Speaker 1: about this is that the reports are now that the
Speaker 1: take up rate for regular non COVID vaccines for children
Speaker 1: is now falling because people have lost confidence in vaccines
Speaker 1: as a result of the COVID pandemic.
Speaker 8: And that would be disappointing if that's the case, because
Speaker 8: I'm someone who believes that people should be vaccinated and
Speaker 8: should get the JAB, especially children. But what is concerning
Speaker 8: with what doctor Coatsworth said is is that he stopped
Speaker 8: at three, but he also did say to follow scientific advice.
Speaker 8: And I'm not a scientist, I'm not a medical professional.
Speaker 8: I will do what my doctor tells me to do
Speaker 8: and what the scientists tell me to do, and hopefully
Speaker 8: they've got my best interest at heart, and I would
Speaker 8: encourage other people to listen to those people in relation
Speaker 8: to their own health matters.
Speaker 1: Well, I have to say the advice has been confusing,
Speaker 1: especially Nick Coatesworth was a figure that a lot of
Speaker 1: people trusted and here he is saying he's only had
Speaker 1: three James McGrath, Graham Richardson. Great to see you both
Speaker 1: this evening and thanks for your time. Now coming up,
Speaker 1: I'll be joined by the former Labor minister who is
Speaker 1: now urging the Prime Minister to preference the Greens. Last,
Speaker 1: why won't Albanezi say that he's going to do this?
Speaker 1: Stay tuned after the break.
Speaker 3: Welcome back.
Speaker 8: Well.
Speaker 1: The alban Ezy government today announced an extra ten million
Speaker 1: dollars for Gaza, on top of the sixty two million
Speaker 1: dollars it has already given since October seven since the
Speaker 1: terror attacks on October seven, sixty two million, and none
Speaker 1: of it to Israel Foreign Minister Pennywong has this week
Speaker 1: refused as well to celebrate the brave rescue of four
Speaker 1: Jewish hostages from the grips of Hamas terrorists, and Labour
Speaker 1: shut down debate on a judicial inquiry into anti Semitism
Speaker 1: on university campuses twenty four hours after the Prime Minister
Speaker 1: himself claimed to care about the issue in question Time. Now,
Speaker 1: part of the reason for Labour's moral confusion is pure politics.
Speaker 3: Labor is under threat from the.
Speaker 1: Greens in inner city areas of Sydney and Melbourne, and
Speaker 1: now it's under threat from the rise of Muslim independent
Speaker 1: candidates in Southwest Sydney. It's something Peter Dutton referred to
Speaker 1: when I interviewed him ten days ago.
Speaker 5: Even though the first term government hasn't lost since nineteen
Speaker 5: thirty one, that the best outcome from a Labor Party
Speaker 5: perspective is that they could form a minority government which
Speaker 5: would include the Greens and the Teals and potentially, as
Speaker 5: you say, Muslim independent candidates from Western Sydney or perhaps elsewhere.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: The excellent journalist at The Australian, Alexei Dimitriadi reports today
Speaker 1: that community leader with Sam Shakawi is mobilizing the Muslim
Speaker 1: vote across Keys Southwest Sydney federal seats to topple Labor
Speaker 1: at the next election as prominent figures won the alp
Speaker 1: of electoral abandonment. He writes that although Sheik Shikawi campaign
Speaker 1: may not run candidates, several pro Palestine independents will run
Speaker 1: as viable protest votes and likely would be.
Speaker 3: Endorsed by it now.
Speaker 1: The Labor and PAS under threat include Andrew Charlton in Parramatta,
Speaker 1: Tony Burke and Watson, Jason Clare in Blacksland, An Stanley
Speaker 1: in Werrowa and the new South Wales Premier Chris Mints.
Speaker 1: And the Vote for Palestine group is planning a rally
Speaker 1: outside of Tony Burke's office this Saturday. In an Instagram post,
Speaker 1: they've said to Tony Burke in twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: Five, we will vote you out well. Shakhawi said on
Speaker 3: social media.
Speaker 1: That we are grassroots, mobilizing, funded and coming for your seats,
Speaker 1: and he also wrote on Instagram that he was mobilizing
Speaker 1: for the federal election with a video taken outside of
Speaker 1: our regular guest Labor and P Andrew Charton's office. Have
Speaker 1: a look at these two clips that he's posted on
Speaker 1: his Instagram page.
Speaker 12: Need people who can echo the voices of the Palestinians
Speaker 12: who are being decimated and subject to genocide. We need
Speaker 12: people to come out. We need people to echo their voices.
Speaker 12: We don't need people to work behind the scenes. We
Speaker 12: don't want a seat at the table. We want you
Speaker 12: to speak out. We want you to be opened, We
Speaker 12: want you to lobby. We want you to speak on
Speaker 12: behalf of your constituents, which you promise to speak on
Speaker 12: behalf of. To some of these politicians, the facts don't matter.
Speaker 12: We've said it before and we'll say it again. The
Speaker 12: definitions of genocide don't matter. The definitions of apartheip don't matter.
Speaker 12: The definitions of ethnic cleansing don't matter.
Speaker 11: They only understand one language.
Speaker 13: And that's votes, and that's power, and that's people power.
Speaker 13: That's the only language that they understand. Are we going
Speaker 13: to let them hear our voice? The date, not a
Speaker 13: single not a single major MP of government, both state
Speaker 13: and federal, has said the words Israel and condemn in
Speaker 13: the same breath.
Speaker 1: Well, the political pressure in areas of Southwest and Western
Speaker 1: Sydney are thanks to the changing demographics and this is
Speaker 1: part of the reason labor at a federal level is
Speaker 1: so anti Israel. It needs to hold on to Western Sydney,
Speaker 1: needs for the Prime Minister himself.
Speaker 3: To remain in the top job.
Speaker 1: But this is putting politics and self interest above the
Speaker 1: national security interest. It's putting politics above the need for
Speaker 1: the law to be upheld on our streets, and it's
Speaker 1: putting politics ahead of the need for social cohesion, for
Speaker 1: an end to anti Semitism, and for a safe environment
Speaker 1: for all Australians.
Speaker 3: Including Jews, to live and grow up in.
Speaker 1: All right, let's bring in tonight my special guest, former
Speaker 1: Federal Labor Minister Mike Kelly. Mike, thank you very much
Speaker 1: for joining me tonight. It's wonderful to have you with us.
Speaker 1: Look what's your reaction sure to this what we've just seen,
Speaker 1: this new political pressure on labor and how this is
Speaker 1: influencing Australia's foreign policy and even our national security.
Speaker 14: Well, look, I think it's possible for any one person
Speaker 14: to claim they're representing the entire Muslim community in Australia.
Speaker 14: It's an incredibly diverse community with very differing views, and
Speaker 14: I know most of them. The number one priority is
Speaker 14: putting food on the table, getting jobs, education for their kids,
Speaker 14: and the Middle East is very far from their thoughts
Speaker 14: for most occasions. A lot of them aren't even from
Speaker 14: the region, of course, so you know, I wouldn't take
Speaker 14: them seriously as claiming to speak for the Muslims of Australia.
Speaker 14: But of course at least they're talking about working within
Speaker 14: a democracy, which is something that doesn't exist throughout the
Speaker 14: entire Middle East other than in Israel, so perhaps they've
Speaker 14: learned something. But the other side of this coin, too
Speaker 14: is to misunderstand the huge subterranean feelings amongst the Australian
Speaker 14: community about Islamistic extremism. Frankly, you know, we've been on
Speaker 14: the receiving end of it in Bali and the World
Speaker 14: Trade Center in London and Barcelona, so a lot of
Speaker 14: Australians understand perfect what that threat is.
Speaker 6: And I think the.
Speaker 14: European elections just recently show where the sentiments of people
Speaker 14: are in that respect, and it was also reflected even
Speaker 14: in the Eurovision votes. So to ignore that va subterranean
Speaker 14: sentiment in the Australian community is to not understand the
Speaker 14: political dynamics of Australian's security concerns and our domestic desire
Speaker 14: for social cohesion and adherence to the rule of law.
Speaker 3: Such a good point, because I agree with you.
Speaker 1: Mainstream Australians are sick of the lawlessness that we've seen
Speaker 1: that we're seeing, the vandalism, the hate speech and basically
Speaker 1: very few, if any.
Speaker 3: Arrests over it.
Speaker 1: Can I ask you, Mike, I mean you were part
Speaker 1: of the Labor Party. I have other people on here,
Speaker 1: like Michael Danby who also were part of Federal Labor.
Speaker 1: But it's changed so much in its attitude towards Israel.
Speaker 1: Do you think this is a reflection on the politics
Speaker 1: of marginal seats or do you think it's more the
Speaker 1: figures of Anthony Albanesi and Pennywong coming from the socialist
Speaker 1: left and the beliefs that they've held over a lifetime.
Speaker 14: Well, certainly the Middle East issue has been a plaything
Speaker 14: of the factions in the past without really any knowledge
Speaker 14: significantly existing on the side of that debate. Most of
Speaker 14: the time. It's just not simply a matter of putting
Speaker 14: on a kafir and becoming a geopolitical or international law
Speaker 14: or laws of conflict expert. But it's just simply was
Speaker 14: previously one of those factional game playing issues which have
Speaker 14: delineated the two factions. Of course, these days it's more
Speaker 14: a question of looking at each individual MP and what
Speaker 14: their opinions and attitudes are. But there's been of course
Speaker 14: a massive campaign of emailing these MPs, and of course
Speaker 14: the horrendous and vile disobeying of the law through the
Speaker 14: vandalism that we've seen, the boycotting and blockading of MP's officers.
Speaker 14: They're interfering with the democratic process in this respect. And
Speaker 14: the thing is that these demonstrators, they're not the lovely,
Speaker 14: huggable sort of peace activists of the Summer of Love
Speaker 14: and the sixties. This is the winter of hate. What
Speaker 14: they're advocating is actually an escalation of the war. They
Speaker 14: want to eliminate the state of Israel and see a
Speaker 14: genocide happen of the Jewish community there, and promoting so
Speaker 14: called resistance but really just violence. And they're legitimizing and
Speaker 14: the Greens and promoting this Hamas propaganda and commentators who
Speaker 14: do this are legitimizing violence not only against Israel, but
Speaker 14: against Jews in general, because as we well know, the
Speaker 14: Hamas Covenant designates all Jews to be killed, and that's
Speaker 14: what they showed us they wanted to do and would
Speaker 14: do given the opportunity.
Speaker 8: On the of October.
Speaker 1: Well, indeed, and actually we've just seen in the Wall
Speaker 1: Street Journal comments from the Hamas leader, from Jaha Sinwa,
Speaker 1: and they show that the terrorist organization is using civilian
Speaker 1: casualties as part of their strategy to.
Speaker 3: Win the war with Israel.
Speaker 1: In one message that was released, they call them and
Speaker 1: I quote necessary sacrifices. And the Wall Street Journals reporting
Speaker 1: that in an April eleventh letter to Hamas political leader
Speaker 1: is Mael Honeyeer, after three of his adult sons were
Speaker 1: killed by an Israeli air strike, Sinhwa wrote that their
Speaker 1: deaths and those of other Palestinians would infuse life into
Speaker 1: the veins of this nation, prompting it to rise to
Speaker 1: its glory and honor. But Mike Kelly, again, this isn't
Speaker 1: reflected in the political debate. We hear every day criticism,
Speaker 1: condemnation from Penny Wang and often from Anthony Albanizi about Israel,
Speaker 1: and you know, there's no recognition, of very little recognition
Speaker 1: that actually it's Harmas that is using human shields, that's
Speaker 1: embedding their weapons in civilian sites and infrastructure, and that
Speaker 1: was holding hostages in the middle of a refuge e cap.
Speaker 14: These are their standard tactics, and I've seen it all
Speaker 14: before during my year long service in Iraq during that
Speaker 14: war and then dealing subsequently with the ISIS threat and
Speaker 14: the horrendous activities they conducted, and knowing that to eliminate
Speaker 14: them and liberate Iraqis The Siege of Moses, for example,
Speaker 14: was exactly this scale of urban conflict, producing exactly the
Speaker 14: same really unfortunate and tragic destruction and damage and loss
Speaker 14: of life, because that's the only choice you have left
Speaker 14: to you when you're dealing with an evil of this
Speaker 14: scope and dimension. But to tell you the truth, Hamas
Speaker 14: has really exceeded anything I saw from ISIS or l
Speaker 14: CADA in Iraq.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 14: Their systematic rape and their gratuitous and sadistic sexual mutilation
Speaker 14: conducted on a massive scale, is nothing that I've ever
Speaker 14: seen before. And the depths to which they have plum
Speaker 14: really means that we do as you say, I mean,
Speaker 14: we do have to recognize that this was a war
Speaker 14: of aggression launched by HAMAS. Now that is an international
Speaker 14: war crime. If they were a state they would have
Speaker 14: been held accountable for that, but of course it's actually
Speaker 14: a Ran that's pulling their strings, so we should be
Speaker 14: taking Iran to the International Criminal Court. But in any event,
Speaker 14: they have complete agency in this conflict, and so the
Speaker 14: pressure and the international voice of unity should be to
Speaker 14: direct and demand that Hamas end this fighting, end their aggression,
Speaker 14: release the hostages, and allow the free flow of relief
Speaker 14: to the Gazans because they've been hoarding and stealing it
Speaker 14: and selling it on the black market and interfering with
Speaker 14: it because of the combat activities they conduct against the IDF.
Speaker 14: So the walk it end right now as we speak
Speaker 14: if her Maas laid down their weapons, and that's where
Speaker 14: the pressure should be applied.
Speaker 3: Absolutely completely agree Mike Kelly.
Speaker 1: Do you know it is so refreshing to hear a
Speaker 1: labor figure speak with such clarity. If only you were
Speaker 1: still in the federal government, if only Michael Danby was,
Speaker 1: and the late Kimberly Kitching, I think we wouldn't be
Speaker 1: seeing the levels of anti Semitism that we are at
Speaker 1: the moment. That strength is certainly missing. Thank you very
Speaker 1: much for your insights and intelligence here tonight. Now let's
Speaker 1: return to or let's talk about orcus. This is the
Speaker 1: key method with which we can protect ourselves should there
Speaker 1: be Chinese aggression.
Speaker 3: Now incint estimates.
Speaker 1: Today it was revealed that WA Labor Premier Roger Cook
Speaker 1: had only met with the Director General of the Australian
Speaker 1: Submarine Agency twice amid infrastructure concerns.
Speaker 3: Have a look at this.
Speaker 15: You're saying that you'd had what is it eighteen or
Speaker 15: sixteen or eighteen meetings with the I think that was
Speaker 15: a few. So that was with Premier mill and marsus
Speaker 15: have you met with How many times have you met
Speaker 15: with the WA Premier?
Speaker 6: So I've met twice.
Speaker 10: I think Anmiral Buckley has met.
Speaker 6: I've not met with the Premier.
Speaker 1: Center those comments last week, not today, I should have
Speaker 1: clarified now. This comes as representatives from the US have
Speaker 1: already raised concerns about just how prepared Australia is for August,
Speaker 1: particularly the infrastructure needed in the HMAS Sterling vicinity. Well,
Speaker 1: to discuss this, let's bring in now Shadow Defense Minister
Speaker 1: Andrew Hasty. Andrew, thank you for your time. Look what
Speaker 1: has concerned you about what unfolded in Senate estimates there
Speaker 1: last week?
Speaker 6: There are a number of things sharing which concern me.
Speaker 6: The first is the lack of commitment from the way
Speaker 6: state government to deliver ucas on time. As your viewers
Speaker 6: would know, from twenty twenty seven, there'll be a base
Speaker 6: Submarine Rotational Force West out in Perth which will host
Speaker 6: up to four nuclear submarines, three from the US, one
Speaker 6: from the UK. We've got two years to get that ready.
Speaker 6: What we learn in estimates is that we're behind on
Speaker 6: schedule with the building of the infrastructure. And we've also
Speaker 6: uncovered that Premier Cook, the WA Premier, is not serious.
Speaker 6: He's only met twice in fact, with Jonathan Mead, the
Speaker 6: Admiral who heads up the Australian Submarine Agency, whereas if
Speaker 6: you compare that to Premier Malinowskis since South Australia he's
Speaker 6: met sixteen times. So there's a lack of drive and
Speaker 6: aucas is a national mission. All local governments, all state
Speaker 6: governments and the federal government has to be driving hard
Speaker 6: to make this happen in twenty twenty seven and then
Speaker 6: by the start of the next decade when we get
Speaker 6: our first Virginia class submarines.
Speaker 1: And just how concerned do you think that the US
Speaker 1: is over the pace that Australia is moving.
Speaker 6: Well, I've had plenty of feedback from the US and
Speaker 6: the UK. There is an ambivalence about August, particularly in
Speaker 6: Western Australia from the state government, and I think Richard
Speaker 6: Miles and the Prime Minister needs to be doing more
Speaker 6: to drive this. Premier melanowskis, I've got to give credit
Speaker 6: to him. He is mission focused. He said a couple
Speaker 6: of weeks ago in Canberra that UCAS is a single
Speaker 6: mission for the six states, that they all should be
Speaker 6: working to deliver it, along with the leadership of the
Speaker 6: federal government. And I think that's the message that we
Speaker 6: need to take going forward. So there is concerns and
Speaker 6: we've also uncovered last week that there's an offshore wind farm.
Speaker 6: Well we know the offshore wind farm is being proposed
Speaker 6: by Chris Bowen off the coast of Wa, eight thousand
Speaker 6: square kilometers in fact, just to the south of the base,
Speaker 6: which is also a problem.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, keep coming back to that topic because
Speaker 1: it is incredibly important. Nothing more important for our national
Speaker 1: secure right now than ocus. But I want to ask
Speaker 1: you about Chinese Premier's upcoming visit. Of course, the Prime
Speaker 1: minister announced.
Speaker 3: That just yesterday.
Speaker 1: Do you expect Albanesi will address the problems that exist
Speaker 1: with the aggression we've seen from Beijing, not just in
Speaker 1: the South China Sea, but to our navy divers, to
Speaker 1: our recent fighter pilot jets. Do you expect Albanzi will
Speaker 1: actually raise these things that he has failed to do
Speaker 1: so far at any sort of ministerial level.
Speaker 6: That's right. I think it definitely should be on the table.
Speaker 6: In any relationship, there has to be boundaries, and the
Speaker 6: Chinese military has breached a number of boundaries over the
Speaker 6: last year. We saw last year our navy divers experience
Speaker 6: as sonar attacked whilst unt the water from a Chinese destroyer,
Speaker 6: and just recently we saw a Chinese fighter fire flares
Speaker 6: at a Royal Australian Navy Seahawk, which was very, very
Speaker 6: high risk behavior in both instances, and the government failed
Speaker 6: to raise this at the appropriate levels. Anthony Alberanzi had
Speaker 6: an opportunity last year to raise it with President g
Speaker 6: he didn't, and so I think this is a perfect
Speaker 6: opportunity to do that and also to raise outstanding cases
Speaker 6: Young Jen Hung, who's still being held by the Chinese government.
Speaker 6: There are plenty of things that we can raise even
Speaker 6: while we talk about our trade relationship, which is important.
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly, we still have an Australian imprisoned in China.
Speaker 3: We can't forget that.
Speaker 1: Just lastly, before you go, the Prime Minister, in his
Speaker 1: press conference late yesterday, was asked whether he'd follow our
Speaker 1: other like minded allies, the US and UK and take
Speaker 1: action against TikTok.
Speaker 3: Well, have a look at his response.
Speaker 16: US and kind the governments are both considering in terms
Speaker 16: of TikTok potentially fanning they.
Speaker 4: Sight serious concerns about democracy.
Speaker 16: Is our intelligence the same He's so worrying we're going
Speaker 16: down the same path.
Speaker 4: And if we're not, why not?
Speaker 7: Well, I'm surprised you asked me to to reveal what
Speaker 7: our intelligence should be at a press conferences. Well, our
Speaker 7: position hasn't changed.
Speaker 3: Next question, Andrew.
Speaker 1: I mean, he didn't even seriously consider the question, and
Speaker 1: it is a reasonable question given the action that is
Speaker 1: being taken by UK and the US.
Speaker 6: Precisely, I think it was a weak answer from a
Speaker 6: week Prime Minister, particularly when it comes to national security matters.
Speaker 6: It's very clear that TikTok has a very close relationship
Speaker 6: with the Chinese government. There's a reason why the US
Speaker 6: is banning it, and we know already that the Australian
Speaker 6: government won't allow TikTok to be installed on Australian government phones.
Speaker 6: So there is a problem there, and we need to
Speaker 6: think about how we're going to protect the data of
Speaker 6: young Australians which will be harvested by TikTok and potentially
Speaker 6: end up in the hands of the Chinese government. So
Speaker 6: these are really important questions and I think that was
Speaker 6: just a very offhand and weak response from Prime Minister.
Speaker 1: He didn't even take the question seriously. All right, Andrew Hasty,
Speaker 1: thank you very much for joining us this evening. Now
Speaker 1: coming up, the man behind the Paris Agreement says the
Speaker 1: future coalition government will not be kicked out of the
Speaker 1: international treaty. My political panel would join me to debate
Speaker 1: the twenty thirty target after the break. Welcome back with
Speaker 1: the man who drafted the Paris Agreement has said that
Speaker 1: a future coalition government would not be pushed out of
Speaker 1: the accord if it endorsed a lower twenty thirty emissions
Speaker 1: reduction target. Let's bring it now Tonight's political panel. National
Speaker 1: Senate Leader Bridget McKenzie and Labor and.
Speaker 3: P Daniel Melino. Welcome to you both.
Speaker 1: Bridget, what's the thinking here. Do you think there is
Speaker 1: going to be continued pressure on the opposition leader to
Speaker 1: say what is twenty thirty target would be prior to
Speaker 1: the election?
Speaker 4: Well, that shouldn't be.
Speaker 16: This is simply the Labor Party attempting a scare campaign.
Speaker 16: The reality is the Labor Party set a twenty thirty
Speaker 16: target that they can't meet and in the middle of
Speaker 16: a cost of living crisis, Australians are absolutely sick of
Speaker 16: a federal government who can't get the story straight. I've
Speaker 16: been out tonight here in Woodonga meeting with locals who
Speaker 16: are having renewable projects rolled out through their communities, through
Speaker 16: their own properties, and they've got no recourse.
Speaker 4: Here in Victoria thanks to the state Labor government.
Speaker 16: So this is about having a pathway to net zero
Speaker 16: that is credible, that is based on science and technology.
Speaker 4: And that Australians can have confidence in will get us there.
Speaker 16: Right now under Anthony Albanizi, with Bowen's plan, we're just
Speaker 16: trashing the joint prices are going up and we're not
Speaker 16: even going to meet our mission's target. And I think
Speaker 16: that's that's a great tragedy and it undermines our credibility
Speaker 16: as a middle power globally because typically Australia is the
Speaker 16: country that when we say we're going to do something,
Speaker 16: we do it. And unfortunately under Albow, that's not going
Speaker 16: to be the case with the twenty thirty.
Speaker 1: Target, Daniel as a government and p are you disappointed
Speaker 1: and concerned that your own government isn't going to meet
Speaker 1: at this point the targets that it's set of forty
Speaker 1: two percent by twenty thirty.
Speaker 17: Well, look, I wouldn't concede that we're not going to
Speaker 17: meet it, but what I would say is I agree
Speaker 17: with Bridget that we need to have science based policy making.
Speaker 17: But after that, I think we differ in that the
Speaker 17: opposition criticizes the trajectory that we're on, but they're voted
Speaker 17: consistently against just about every practical measure to bring down emissions,
Speaker 17: whether it be the safeguard mechanism, whether it be a
Speaker 17: mission standards for vehicles, where one of the few countries
Speaker 17: in the world without one, and they're running constant scare
Speaker 17: campaigns on a whole range of renewables policies. So what
Speaker 17: I'd like to hear from the opposition is what's their
Speaker 17: credible strategy to get emissions down. They really have left
Speaker 17: a massive goals when it comes to their own policy.
Speaker 17: All they do is criticize our trajectory and yet vote
Speaker 17: against every single practical measure.
Speaker 1: Do you both agree that the public right now is
Speaker 1: worried about cost of living and doesn't want to have
Speaker 1: this debate about the climate laws again?
Speaker 16: I know it's like groundhog Day, Shahi, and you know
Speaker 16: it's too cute by half.
Speaker 4: Daniel. You guys are in government now.
Speaker 16: You've set aggressive targets on emission reductions that are cruling
Speaker 16: our economy, whether it's advanced manufacturing as you send energy
Speaker 16: prices through the roof, or the private property rights of
Speaker 16: the communities that I represent out in the regions.
Speaker 4: On any measure, you've got it wrong.
Speaker 16: You're more interested in having a fight with the Greens
Speaker 16: and out greening the Greens in inner City than actually
Speaker 16: having a credible pathway to twenty fifty. No one else
Speaker 16: in the world is doing one hundred percent renewables.
Speaker 4: They all have gas or.
Speaker 16: Nuclear as part of the firm being power behind their
Speaker 16: renewable trajectories. So you're just setting us up for a
Speaker 16: pathway to fail. We're interested in having a credible proposition,
Speaker 16: and Shari, I think people are absolutely sick of this.
Speaker 16: We've put this to bed. The Coalition is committed to
Speaker 16: net zero by twenty fifty.
Speaker 4: We're on the journey.
Speaker 16: We're just not doing it for short political gains, all right, which.
Speaker 4: Is why Labour's targets are over aggressive.
Speaker 3: All right, let's have a look at the latest Shari.
Speaker 17: Can I just correct on one quick point? Go for it, Danielle,
Speaker 17: I'm certainly not trying to outgreen the Greens. Look, I'm
Speaker 17: in hand to hand combat with the Greens in my
Speaker 17: seat day and day out on a whole range of issues,
Speaker 17: including climate.
Speaker 6: Labor has the middle path here.
Speaker 17: The Greens have incredibly high and unrealistic and unmodeled strategies,
Speaker 17: which I've critiqued in a number of ways publicly and
Speaker 17: in the chamber. Labour has a path that has been
Speaker 17: endorsed at the last election by the BCA, and a
Speaker 17: range of business interests which they want certainty going forward.
Speaker 17: So look, Labor is definitely the party that is providing
Speaker 17: the middle way.
Speaker 3: All right. Let's move on to interest rates.
Speaker 1: The ANZ has pulled cold water on the prospector of
Speaker 1: the RBA cutting.
Speaker 3: Rates this year.
Speaker 1: It now looks like the RBA won't reduce interest rates
Speaker 1: until at least February twenty twenty five, although of course
Speaker 1: that could change. This is one forecast. Daniel, you follow
Speaker 1: economics closely, do you agree with this analysis that you
Speaker 1: know we're looking at either rates staying the same or
Speaker 1: actually potentially going up this year.
Speaker 17: So, look, Paul Samuelson is arguably the greatest economists since
Speaker 17: World War Two, and you know he's somebody as a
Speaker 17: macroeconomist I look up to.
Speaker 6: Look.
Speaker 17: He famously equipped in the nineteen sixties that economists have
Speaker 17: successfully predicted nine of the last five recessions. And he
Speaker 17: wasn't having a gratuitous go at his professional colleagues, but
Speaker 17: really just saying that predicting the macroeconomy is extra reemly difficult.
Speaker 6: And I think what we're seeing.
Speaker 17: Here is that as new information comes to hand, some
Speaker 17: economists are adjusting their models in different ways. I mean,
Speaker 17: the A and Z has tweaked its model in the
Speaker 17: way you just referred to, But there are a whole
Speaker 17: bunch of other macroeconomists who think that interest rates need
Speaker 17: to come down. Look, what I think is being confirmed
Speaker 17: by the data that's coming out is that the government
Speaker 17: was right to put well calibrated cost of living in
Speaker 17: the budget and that in the medium term everybody is
Speaker 17: expecting inflation to continue to track down.
Speaker 1: Look, Daniel, they're referenced, you know, predictions about recessions, but
Speaker 1: bridget we're not in a technical recession. I mean, we've
Speaker 1: had growth of zero point one percent, but we are
Speaker 1: in a per capita recession, so it feels the same
Speaker 1: for a lot of families.
Speaker 4: That's exactly right, Shahi.
Speaker 16: You know, Daniel can talk the talking points out of
Speaker 16: Jim Chalmer's office all he likes. The reality is Australians
Speaker 16: aren't feeling it, and they're not feeling it because they're
Speaker 16: mortgage rent payments are going up higher than their wages are,
Speaker 16: so the household is going backwards and every single month
Speaker 16: is getting harder and harder to get the school fee
Speaker 16: bill out of the way. Are the kids going to go,
Speaker 16: How the swimming lesson's going to be paid for?
Speaker 4: Etc? Just to keep the roof over their head?
Speaker 16: And this is coming because labor hasn't got inflation under
Speaker 16: control and the RBA therefore can't reduce interest rates when
Speaker 16: we have an inflationary environment like we do at the
Speaker 16: moment here at home, and it's home grown, thank.
Speaker 4: You, Jim Chalmers. Is it is the vulnerable that pay
Speaker 4: the most. It is the poorest in our society that
Speaker 4: actually feel it the most.
Speaker 16: And until labor gets their spending under control, these interest
Speaker 16: rates won't go down and households won't have relief.
Speaker 1: And this is going to be the predominant issue leading
Speaker 1: into the next election, no question. Bridget McKenzie, Daniel Melino,
Speaker 1: thank you both very much for your time the break.
Speaker 1: Hunter Biden now a convicted felon, he faces present time
Speaker 1: after being found guilty, and yet the media treatment of
Speaker 1: him and Donald Trump couldn't be more different. Will cross
Speaker 1: live to Washington for the latest. Okay, welcome back. Let's
Speaker 1: bring in now the Australians. Washington correspondent Adam Crichton, Adam,
Speaker 1: great to see you. Look, let's get to Hunter Biden
Speaker 1: in a minute, but I want to get your take
Speaker 1: first on Marine La Penn and the French EU election.
Speaker 11: Well, I mean it's not really surprising her support, her
Speaker 11: party support has been growing now for years. Remember she
Speaker 11: ran for president in twenty seventeen, in twenty twenty two,
Speaker 11: and her support's been growing each time, and all the
Speaker 11: forecasts are that she'll probably win in twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 11: You know, the so called far right parties, the growth
Speaker 11: of them is a symptom of widespread dissatisfaction with a
Speaker 11: rampant immigration, with rising prices. And you'd probably also have
Speaker 11: to say the European case, fear of a war with Russia.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, let's turn to the big story today, Hunter Biden.
Speaker 1: This is history making the first child of a sitting
Speaker 1: president to be convicted of a crime.
Speaker 3: I'm interested in the different media treatment.
Speaker 1: Initially, the Hunter Biden laptop story was fake. You know,
Speaker 1: it was pulled off social media. The established media refused
Speaker 1: to cover it. You know, most of that he hasn't
Speaker 1: been prosecuted for or even investigated for. Here this is
Speaker 1: drug addiction and a gun crime.
Speaker 11: Yes, well, look certainly, I mean the big takeaway for me,
Speaker 11: I think the long term impact of this case is really,
Speaker 11: as you suggest, the verification of that laptop. I mean,
Speaker 11: this was a censored it was obviously real. The FBI
Speaker 11: had this laptop. In fact, as you probably know, from
Speaker 11: twenty nineteen, so they knew it was real. I certainly
Speaker 11: knew it was real, and yet the story from the
Speaker 11: New York Post was censored in October twenty twenty. That's
Speaker 11: just extraordinary stuff. And so, you know, the confirmation that
Speaker 11: that the laptop is real really is extremely embarrassing for
Speaker 11: most of the mainstream media and of course those famous
Speaker 11: fifty one intel experts.
Speaker 1: All of the media, the left media presented the outcome
Speaker 1: today is our very sad story for the Biden family.
Speaker 1: You know, many families in America are going through this.
Speaker 1: But then there was this desperation to get Trump.
Speaker 3: Is this purely politics?
Speaker 11: Well, look, I think both. I really think that both
Speaker 11: men are the subject. I think the victim rather of
Speaker 11: the weaponization of the justice system. Certainly, in the case
Speaker 11: of Donald Trump, he saw the Democrat Party hankering for
Speaker 11: him to be prosecuted. But I think it's also fair
Speaker 11: to say that the only reason that Hunter Biden was
Speaker 11: prosecuted was because he's the president's son and there were
Speaker 11: constant calls from Republicans for him to be prosecuted. I
Speaker 11: don't think if he was an ordinary Joe blow in
Speaker 11: the US that he would have been prosecuted for this crime, which,
Speaker 11: after all, is extremely hard to whether or not someone
Speaker 11: is taking drugs at the time when they buy a gun.
Speaker 11: But of course, in the president's son's case, there was
Speaker 11: so much scrutiny of his private life that it was
Speaker 11: well known that he was so Look, I think it's
Speaker 11: a pretty sad day for the for the US justice system,
Speaker 11: for both cases. But you know, the irony is that
Speaker 11: I don't think it's really going to have any effect
Speaker 11: on the political the political outcomy that for Trump or
Speaker 11: for the Biden family.
Speaker 1: I mean, we thought many people expected Trump would be
Speaker 1: further ahead in the polls by now. The fact that
Speaker 1: he's not overwhelmingly ahead of Joe Biden, does this show
Speaker 1: that the criminal cases have had an impact perhaps with
Speaker 1: undecided voters.
Speaker 11: Well, look, I think both of them are very weak candidates.
Speaker 11: I mean, Trump is ahead in the polls, he's ahead
Speaker 11: in the betting markets, and I think the takeaway, you know,
Speaker 11: from the hush money case is that it didn't really
Speaker 11: seem to effect his standing a very much at all.
Speaker 11: I mean, of course, sentencing hasn't happened yet, that's on
Speaker 11: the eleventh of July. That could change things. I suppose
Speaker 11: if he's sent to prison, but he remains ahead. And
Speaker 11: of course you know from the hush money case, he
Speaker 11: raised about one hundred million dollars or more for his campaign,
Speaker 11: so if anything, it may have actually helped him. I mean,
Speaker 11: I think on the Biden side, I think the tax
Speaker 11: evasion case, which is going to be heard in California
Speaker 11: later this year, that could be more politically damaging for
Speaker 11: Biden because of course in that case you're going to
Speaker 11: hear more about the extravagant spending, and of course you
Speaker 11: know there'll be more allegations of corruption in relation to
Speaker 11: Joe Biden and Hunter Biden's finances and their operations in
Speaker 11: Ukraine and China when the older Biden was vice president.
Speaker 11: So I think that could be more politically damaging.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, it will not be out of the
Speaker 1: news for long. Adam Krichton, thank you very much for
Speaker 1: joining us tonight. Thanks everyone for watching.
Speaker 3: I'll see you tomorrow at eight pm.
Speaker 1: And right now, here's Paul Murray