WEBVTT - Sharri | 12 June 0:00:04.480 --> 0:00:10.559 Showing well, good evening and first tonight the Albanezi governments 0:00:10.560 --> 0:00:14.360 that Climate Change Authority is aiming for an even higher 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:18.640 emissions reduction target of sixty five to seventy five percent 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:23.040 by twenty thirty five. This is a massive increase on 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:27.520 the current target of forty two percent by twenty thirty Now, 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:30.760 while the Prime Minister wouldn't answer questions about his twenty 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:34.040 thirty five target, today I can reveal the Climate Change 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:38.080 Minister Chris Bowen, has written to his agency asking for 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:42.400 advice on what the emissions reduction targets should be by 0:00:42.479 --> 0:00:47.240 twenty thirty five, and documents show that the agency once 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:51.120 a target of between sixty five to seventy five percent, 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:56.880 even though electricity prices are already through the roof. In 0:00:56.960 --> 0:00:59.960 this letter I've obtained, Chris Bowen writes, and I quote, 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:04.160 I request the Climate Change Authority provide me with advice 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:09.080 on potential national greenhouse gash emissions reduction targets for twenty 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:13.680 thirty five, and he's asked for this new advice urgently, 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:17.240 he wrote, in order to allow for sufficient time for 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:21.560 consideration of all relevant issues. The government would appreciate the 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:26.199 Authority providing its advice no earlier than first of October 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:31.000 twenty twenty four. Now, the Climate Change Authority is on 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:35.120 record in these documents saying that the emission's reduction target 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:38.839 needs to be even higher than the current twenty thirty 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:43.960 target of forty two percent, which labor is already unlikely 0:01:44.080 --> 0:01:47.600 to meet. Tony Wood from the Gratin Institute has said 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:51.640 the government will face immense challenges trying to meet even 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:53.360 its current target. 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:57.640 We're about halfway there, but it's taken this the last 0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:00.160 twenty years to get halfway there. We've got, you know, 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:02.200 only five years to get the other half, and that 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:06.240 looks really hard. Is it possible technically? Is but looks 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:07.200 to be very challenging. 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:10.079 Well, now let's go to the documents. 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:14.359 In fact, Chris Bowen's agency once a target of sixty 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:17.840 five to seventy five percent, as you can see in 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:22.360 this twenty twenty four issues paper they've produced, and it 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:27.000 states the evidence to date suggests the Authority consider targets 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:33.400 broadly within the sixty five percent to seventy five percent range. Now, 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:37.480 just to show you how extreme that is, it was 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:41.080 the Green's policy at the last election to have a 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:45.480 target of seventy five percent by twenty thirty. So here's 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:49.560 Chris Bowen's own agency recommending that same Green's target of 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:53.840 seventy five percent just five years later. And they admit 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:59.920 in this document that this will need to meet that target, 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:03.440 there will need to be even more action by households 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:07.360 in businesses, and they say that ambitious targets could impact 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:11.280 on our economy and society. And I quote the evidence 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:14.560 the Authority has considered so far suggests a twenty thirty 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:17.560 five target in the range of sixty five to seventy 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:21.040 five percent below two thousand and five levels would be 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:26.480 ambitious and could be achievable and sustainable if additional action 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:33.160 is taken by governments, businesses, investors and households to achieve it. 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:36.920 They say, however, attempting to go much faster could risk 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:42.840 significant levels of economic and social disruption and put progress 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:48.360 at risk significant levels of economic and social disruption. Now, 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:52.200 electricity prices have already gone up by around twenty five 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:55.800 percent a year since the election in twenty twenty two, 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:58.880 and there are warnings that we could face blackouts in 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:01.640 New South Wales and Victoria come summer. 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:04.960 This is partly why labor. 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:07.520 Premier are Chris Mins, the premiere in New South Wales, 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:11.480 has now extended the life cycle of the state's largest 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:12.840 coul fired power station. 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:14.000 Well. 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:18.080 The Opposition leader Peter Dutton said today that if Australia 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:22.000 has a forty two percent target, well, he says, imagine 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:24.320 what a sixty five percent target would do. 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:29.320 We saw the Prime Minister and his very angry state 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:33.479 that he was in telling people that he couldn't really 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:37.120 explain what a sixty five to seventy five percent target 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:39.680 looks like. In February of next year, the government's going 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:41.560 to have to sign up to a new target by 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:44.120 twenty thirty five. What does it mean for families who 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:47.320 are struggling at the moment where Anthony Albnezi promised at 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:48.919 the last election that there would be a two hundred 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:52.160 and seventy five dollars decrease in your power bill. Instead 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:54.920 there's been one thousand dollars increase in your power bill. 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:58.120 But how much higher will your electricity prices go under 0:04:58.160 --> 0:04:58.800 this prime minister? 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:03.520 And the Prime Minister was asked about his twenty thirty 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:07.120 five targets today and it's a relevant question given they 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:10.440 need to be submitted to the UN by February next year, 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:13.880 but Albin Easy didn't want to speak about what their 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:15.600 twenty thirty five target would be. 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:19.680 He wouldn't say a word. Can you gallantee? 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:23.920 He will announce it thirty private target for minutes year. 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:28.920 I'm guaranteeing the twenty thirty target that we have legislated, 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:32.920 as well as knit zero by twenty fifty. What we're 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:36.960 concentrating on is delivering forty three percent by twenty thirty 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:40.360 and we've got a mechanism to get there well. 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:40.679 Now. 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:44.520 As I've revealed tonight, Chris Bowen has given his agency 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:48.480 until the first of October to prepare their formal advice 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:52.760 on their twenty thirty five targets. But his own agency's 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:56.720 analysis from this year shows that they do want an 0:05:56.720 --> 0:06:00.880 even more aggressive target of sixty five to say five percent, 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:04.760 and there are concerns that this will have major social 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:09.720 and economic consequences. Now, everyone can have their own view 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:13.120 on what our targets should be, but there is one 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:15.960 thing that we can all agree on that more ambitious 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:18.919 targets in just a decade's time is something that the 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:23.599 Alban Eazy government should be clear, transparent, honest and open 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:27.440 about it. Shouldn't take us tracking down the detail to 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:31.119 tell you about what they're planning. It's just like before 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:34.440 the federal election when they took a small target agenda 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:38.720 to the polls and then implemented radical change that they 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:41.440 never told you about, whether it was on Middle East 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:45.280 foreign policy, on border security, on immigration levels, or on 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:49.800 ir reform. Once again, we're seeing alb and Easy today 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:52.880 waving away questions, and you just saw it waving away 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:57.360 questions about twenty thirty five targets when their own documents 0:06:57.400 --> 0:07:03.640 show plans are currently underway for extremely ambitious and aggressive targets, 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:06.120 targets at the Greens held. 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:12.880 In just a decade's time. Now. 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:15.080 We'll discuss this with my panel in a moment. But 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:19.080 also tonight, Labor under threat from Muslim independent candidates. This 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:22.680 is partly why alban EASi is taking such a strong. 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:23.720 Anti Israel stance. 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:27.679 To discuss this, my exclusive interview tonight with former Labor 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:31.560 Minister Mike Kelly on how his own party. 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:33.400 Is betraying the Jewish community. 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:38.720 Also American concerns about Australia's commitment to ORCUS. Shadow Defense 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:42.280 Minister Andrew Hasty will be on the show live and 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:46.200 the President's son Hunter Biden found guilty in his gun trial. 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:50.080 Across Live to Washington for the latest. But first now 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:53.640 let's bring in tonight's panel labor legend Graham Richardson and 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:55.720 Liberal Senator James McGrath. 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:57.440 Welcome to you both. 0:07:57.840 --> 0:08:01.160 Well, let's start with that climate change topic. And we 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:05.160 saw today Peter Darton accusing the Prime Minister of destroying 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:08.720 the economy while trying to meet net zero targets. Let's 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:10.240 have a look at what he had to say. 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:13.040 We want to make sure that we've got an energy 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:16.720 policy that's working for Australians, not against them. I'm not 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:19.680 going to sign up to an arrangement that destroys our 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:24.320 economy and sends families and small businesses into bankruptcy. 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:27.520 What Peter Dutton is saying is that he won't have 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:33.240 a twenty thirty target. This is an extraordinary failure of 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:36.679 leadership from Peter Dutton. It shows he's not up to 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:40.600 the job of being the alternative prime minister of this country. 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:44.680 Well, as The Nightly put it, the Prime Minister's attack 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:47.960 on Peter Dutton's decision to dump the twenty thirty emissions 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:51.679 target was and I quote, a hollow distraction from the 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:55.120 real issues of cost of living and how our nation 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:59.320 is going to handle the inflation challenge. All right, rich O, 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:02.400 you think do you agree with that analysis there in 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:05.040 the Nightly? Do you think the Prime Minister has dredged 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:08.760 up the climate was once again as a distraction from 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:12.679 his detainee scandal and in the hopes of scoring some 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:16.839 political points over Dutton after that disastrous news poll for 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:18.680 him just earlier this week. 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:22.800 Yeah, I don't think this is Anthony's finest hour, and 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:25.800 I think Dutton has had the best of the week, 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:29.080 and I think there's been quite a gap between them. 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:33.600 Dutton hasn't had a tremendous time as opposition leader, but 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:34.920 he's coming into his own. 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:36.840 Now and he's doing very well. 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:40.960 Labor ought to be taking very very closely over, watching 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:44.560 very very closely everything he does, because this thinks he 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:45.200 can get there. 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:49.040 Look, James, let's bring you in here. 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:52.959 What is the coalition argument on rejecting net zero by 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:55.839 twenty thirty, Because if as Peter Dutton says, and as 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:59.160 the analysts say, just like Tony Wood from the Gratin Institute, 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:02.480 if Labour's not going to meet those targets anyway, why 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:06.640 not just put pressure on labor over that point. 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:13.079 Because labor are misleading the Australian people. They've got these targets, 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:15.840 they know they're not going to reach them. And what 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:18.520 they're doing is what I call dead cat politics. You 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:20.160 get a dead cat, you put it on the table. 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:23.040 Everyone's looking the dead cat and forgetting about the real issues. 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:25.959 And politicians do this all the time and Albanize is 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:28.160 doing it. The number one issue in Australia at the 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:32.319 moment is cost of living. It is everywhere. I was 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:35.240 at Farmfest last week in Twomba and that's what people 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:39.440 were talking about. And for labor to have these unrealistic targets, 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:44.960 but targets are actually hurting businesses, hurting Australian families because 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:48.720 it's driving up the cost of electricity. The Coalition's position 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:51.800 is pretty clear. We support net zero by twenty fifty, 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:55.280 but we want electricity to be affordable and reliable and 0:10:55.320 --> 0:10:58.679 we want to look at all forms of energy rich I. 0:10:58.600 --> 0:10:59.360 Do you agree with that? 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:02.080 Do you think they're it'll be voter frustration with Albanezi 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:06.080 returning to climate was when, as James McGrath says, cost 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:09.640 of living is the central issue that families are really 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:10.840 struggling with right now. 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:13.520 Yeah, I think Albow is going to have a hell 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:16.280 of a battle on his hands to convince people that 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:20.199 his priority is greater than their cost of living. 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:22.439 Cost of living, cost of living, they're the first. 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:27.120 Three issues, and you can't pretend that anything else is 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:28.079 going to knock one of. 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:30.920 Those three off. That's it, and you know. 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:33.760 We have to work within that framework, and that's what 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:35.319 labor's not doing at the moment. 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:36.600 Yeah. 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:37.920 Look, it's going to be a big issue. 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:39.840 And of course we hear the news that it now 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:42.920 looks like interest rates aren't going to be cut until 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:45.360 at least twenty twenty five. So just sticking with you 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:47.800 for a minute, Richo, that's going to do You think 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:50.600 that would rule out any early election this year because 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:53.200 the argument for an early election was off the back 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:54.360 of an interest rate cut. 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:55.080 Yeah. 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:59.160 I think certainly, were I in the job, I would 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:01.720 not be going to the places this year. There'll be 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:07.040 no relief inside and therefore you've got absolutely no advantage 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:10.760 in going early. And you know people in the past 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:13.080 you go early if you think it's going to be 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:15.480 a big help to you. Well, I can't see any 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:19.000 aid whatsoever going to Labor over this, so I'd be 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:20.720 keep him a power to dry and I'd be looking 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:21.400 at next year. 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:24.560 And that is what the PM keeps saying. He keeps 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:27.040 saying he intends to serve his full term. But the 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:31.120 reports are James, that your side, the coalition is preparing 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:34.320 for an early election. So are you expecting that Labor 0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:35.600 might go later this year? 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:41.400 Our Poland House last week was full of rumors about 0:12:41.400 --> 0:12:43.960 an early election, whether it's going to be in August 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:48.599 or There is one well known cabinet minister who was 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:52.120 telling people to prepare for an early December election. Good 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:55.240 oppositions always prepare for an early election. I know that 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:57.520 Andrew Hurst as the Federal director and they can follow 0:12:57.520 --> 0:13:00.360 as the people NATS director, and David will Proud and 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:03.559 Peter Dutton are getting their teams ready. We've got candidates 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:06.720 being pre selected. We want an election sooner rather than 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:10.920 later because we know that that Alban Easy is not 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:12.480 up to the job of being Prime Minister. 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:15.120 James, can I just pull you up on and what 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:18.320 you just said said there which cabinet minister was talking 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:19.480 about a December election. 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:26.240 I don't want to say that, but the building was full. 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:30.680 The building was full of rumors about this particular Labor cabinet. 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:34.640 Minus always and. 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:37.360 Those rumors are true. 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:41.360 Also probably started them. 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:45.360 It's just friends, tell us cabinet minister. 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:48.880 That's officious and hurtful allegation. No, I won't say that, 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:50.480 but what I'm going to say is that clearly the 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:53.600 Labor Party are also looking at an early election. The 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:56.640 Prime Minister has not ruled out calling an election this year, 0:13:56.880 --> 0:13:59.920 and to Richo's point, he will go when he thinks 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:02.959 he can win, and I think in hees rates stay 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:05.720 as they are. He probably won't go this year because 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:08.760 of the economic circumstances. But all right, things can get 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:12.800 a lot worse. So be scared, mister Albanizy, be scared. 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:14.280 I'm honest warning that. 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:17.160 All right, let's have a look at the advice today 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:21.600 from Australia's former Deputy Chief Health Officer, doctor Nick Coatesworth. 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:25.200 He's told ben Fordham on t GB that he's not 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:27.240 going to get another COVID vaccine. 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:27.800 Have a listen. 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:32.080 I've had my influenza vaccine and I'm still being vaccinated 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:35.400 for COVID. No, when did you stop doing that? About 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:36.160 two years ago? 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:38.240 I had three vaccines and that's been enough for me. 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:39.400 Any reason why? 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:42.440 Because I don't think I need any more, Ben and 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:46.160 the science tells me that I don't. Rich. 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:49.760 Oh, people would be very frustrated hearing this, given Nick 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:52.120 Coatesworth encouraged everyone. 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:52.720 To get a vaccine. 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:54.840 In fact, it was mandated you couldn't go to a 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:57.080 cafe with our one. And now he says, I know 0:14:57.680 --> 0:14:59.160 I haven't had one for two years. 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:03.480 So find that a bit extraordinary given what he has 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:05.880 said in the past, and the way he said it 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:09.040 so nonchalantly, just really surprises me. 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:11.440 And it's got to say it disappoints me. 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:14.640 What do you think, James, I mean, the advice around 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:19.120 vaccines has changed dramatically, And you know what is worrying 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:22.200 about this is that the reports are now that the 0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:26.480 take up rate for regular non COVID vaccines for children 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:30.960 is now falling because people have lost confidence in vaccines 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:32.720 as a result of the COVID pandemic. 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:37.920 And that would be disappointing if that's the case, because 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:41.400 I'm someone who believes that people should be vaccinated and 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:45.480 should get the JAB, especially children. But what is concerning 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:48.720 with what doctor Coatsworth said is is that he stopped 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:54.520 at three, but he also did say to follow scientific advice. 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:57.160 And I'm not a scientist, I'm not a medical professional. 0:15:57.560 --> 0:15:59.520 I will do what my doctor tells me to do 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:02.320 and what the scientists tell me to do, and hopefully 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:04.080 they've got my best interest at heart, and I would 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:08.600 encourage other people to listen to those people in relation 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:09.720 to their own health matters. 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:12.560 Well, I have to say the advice has been confusing, 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:15.640 especially Nick Coatesworth was a figure that a lot of 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:18.640 people trusted and here he is saying he's only had 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:22.160 three James McGrath, Graham Richardson. Great to see you both 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:24.880 this evening and thanks for your time. Now coming up, 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:27.640 I'll be joined by the former Labor minister who is 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:32.280 now urging the Prime Minister to preference the Greens. Last, 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:35.040 why won't Albanezi say that he's going to do this? 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:37.160 Stay tuned after the break. 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:41.960 Welcome back. 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:42.160 Well. 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:46.360 The alban Ezy government today announced an extra ten million 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:50.680 dollars for Gaza, on top of the sixty two million 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:54.920 dollars it has already given since October seven since the 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:58.680 terror attacks on October seven, sixty two million, and none 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:02.480 of it to Israel Foreign Minister Pennywong has this week 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:07.080 refused as well to celebrate the brave rescue of four 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:12.639 Jewish hostages from the grips of Hamas terrorists, and Labour 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:16.200 shut down debate on a judicial inquiry into anti Semitism 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:21.320 on university campuses twenty four hours after the Prime Minister 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:26.080 himself claimed to care about the issue in question Time. Now, 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:30.920 part of the reason for Labour's moral confusion is pure politics. 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:33.120 Labor is under threat from the. 0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:36.520 Greens in inner city areas of Sydney and Melbourne, and 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:40.159 now it's under threat from the rise of Muslim independent 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:44.720 candidates in Southwest Sydney. It's something Peter Dutton referred to 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:47.560 when I interviewed him ten days ago. 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:50.760 Even though the first term government hasn't lost since nineteen 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:53.120 thirty one, that the best outcome from a Labor Party 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:57.880 perspective is that they could form a minority government which 0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:01.760 would include the Greens and the Teals and potentially, as 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:06.600 you say, Muslim independent candidates from Western Sydney or perhaps elsewhere. 0:18:07.920 --> 0:18:08.120 Now. 0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:12.640 The excellent journalist at The Australian, Alexei Dimitriadi reports today 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:17.600 that community leader with Sam Shakawi is mobilizing the Muslim 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:21.719 vote across Keys Southwest Sydney federal seats to topple Labor 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:25.040 at the next election as prominent figures won the alp 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:30.440 of electoral abandonment. He writes that although Sheik Shikawi campaign 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:35.280 may not run candidates, several pro Palestine independents will run 0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:38.600 as viable protest votes and likely would be. 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:40.560 Endorsed by it now. 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:44.360 The Labor and PAS under threat include Andrew Charlton in Parramatta, 0:18:44.480 --> 0:18:48.440 Tony Burke and Watson, Jason Clare in Blacksland, An Stanley 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:51.800 in Werrowa and the new South Wales Premier Chris Mints. 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:55.719 And the Vote for Palestine group is planning a rally 0:18:55.840 --> 0:19:00.320 outside of Tony Burke's office this Saturday. In an Instagram post, 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:03.160 they've said to Tony Burke in twenty twenty. 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:07.560 Five, we will vote you out well. Shakhawi said on 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:08.720 social media. 0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:14.000 That we are grassroots, mobilizing, funded and coming for your seats, 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:17.560 and he also wrote on Instagram that he was mobilizing 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:21.920 for the federal election with a video taken outside of 0:19:22.040 --> 0:19:25.960 our regular guest Labor and P Andrew Charton's office. Have 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:29.000 a look at these two clips that he's posted on 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:30.359 his Instagram page. 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:37.359 Need people who can echo the voices of the Palestinians 0:19:37.760 --> 0:19:42.480 who are being decimated and subject to genocide. We need 0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:46.040 people to come out. We need people to echo their voices. 0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:49.199 We don't need people to work behind the scenes. We 0:19:49.240 --> 0:19:52.199 don't want a seat at the table. We want you 0:19:52.280 --> 0:19:55.760 to speak out. We want you to be opened, We 0:19:55.800 --> 0:19:57.879 want you to lobby. We want you to speak on 0:19:57.960 --> 0:20:00.560 behalf of your constituents, which you promise to speak on 0:20:00.640 --> 0:20:04.840 behalf of. To some of these politicians, the facts don't matter. 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:08.440 We've said it before and we'll say it again. The 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:13.520 definitions of genocide don't matter. The definitions of apartheip don't matter. 0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:16.960 The definitions of ethnic cleansing don't matter. 0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:19.639 They only understand one language. 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:22.040 And that's votes, and that's power, and that's people power. 0:20:22.520 --> 0:20:25.199 That's the only language that they understand. Are we going 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:28.840 to let them hear our voice? The date, not a 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:35.840 single not a single major MP of government, both state 0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:40.840 and federal, has said the words Israel and condemn in 0:20:40.920 --> 0:20:41.840 the same breath. 0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:48.560 Well, the political pressure in areas of Southwest and Western 0:20:48.560 --> 0:20:52.359 Sydney are thanks to the changing demographics and this is 0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:56.000 part of the reason labor at a federal level is 0:20:56.080 --> 0:20:59.800 so anti Israel. It needs to hold on to Western Sydney, 0:21:00.000 --> 0:21:02.639 needs for the Prime Minister himself. 0:21:02.359 --> 0:21:04.000 To remain in the top job. 0:21:05.240 --> 0:21:08.560 But this is putting politics and self interest above the 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:13.080 national security interest. It's putting politics above the need for 0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:16.520 the law to be upheld on our streets, and it's 0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:21.159 putting politics ahead of the need for social cohesion, for 0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:24.760 an end to anti Semitism, and for a safe environment 0:21:25.160 --> 0:21:27.320 for all Australians. 0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:29.639 Including Jews, to live and grow up in. 0:21:34.119 --> 0:21:37.000 All right, let's bring in tonight my special guest, former 0:21:37.040 --> 0:21:41.080 Federal Labor Minister Mike Kelly. Mike, thank you very much 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:43.920 for joining me tonight. It's wonderful to have you with us. 0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:48.200 Look what's your reaction sure to this what we've just seen, 0:21:48.240 --> 0:21:51.600 this new political pressure on labor and how this is 0:21:51.680 --> 0:21:56.639 influencing Australia's foreign policy and even our national security. 0:21:58.920 --> 0:22:01.720 Well, look, I think it's possible for any one person 0:22:01.760 --> 0:22:05.520 to claim they're representing the entire Muslim community in Australia. 0:22:05.600 --> 0:22:10.560 It's an incredibly diverse community with very differing views, and 0:22:10.640 --> 0:22:12.679 I know most of them. The number one priority is 0:22:12.680 --> 0:22:16.399 putting food on the table, getting jobs, education for their kids, 0:22:16.920 --> 0:22:19.520 and the Middle East is very far from their thoughts 0:22:19.560 --> 0:22:21.480 for most occasions. A lot of them aren't even from 0:22:21.480 --> 0:22:24.400 the region, of course, so you know, I wouldn't take 0:22:24.440 --> 0:22:27.720 them seriously as claiming to speak for the Muslims of Australia. 0:22:28.320 --> 0:22:31.920 But of course at least they're talking about working within 0:22:31.920 --> 0:22:35.000 a democracy, which is something that doesn't exist throughout the 0:22:35.160 --> 0:22:39.200 entire Middle East other than in Israel, so perhaps they've 0:22:39.240 --> 0:22:42.040 learned something. But the other side of this coin, too 0:22:42.160 --> 0:22:47.120 is to misunderstand the huge subterranean feelings amongst the Australian 0:22:47.119 --> 0:22:52.280 community about Islamistic extremism. Frankly, you know, we've been on 0:22:52.320 --> 0:22:54.480 the receiving end of it in Bali and the World 0:22:54.480 --> 0:22:58.520 Trade Center in London and Barcelona, so a lot of 0:22:58.520 --> 0:23:01.199 Australians understand perfect what that threat is. 0:23:01.680 --> 0:23:02.320 And I think the. 0:23:02.240 --> 0:23:07.760 European elections just recently show where the sentiments of people 0:23:07.840 --> 0:23:10.760