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Speaker 1: The issue of child protection has been in the news,

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Speaker 1: as you are very well aware, and if you were

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Speaker 1: listening yesterday, Katrine Hildyard, the Minister, was on five double

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Speaker 1: A Mornings with Me and this is a little bit

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Speaker 1: of what she had to say yesterday morning.

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Speaker 2: We have in place a range of programs to support

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Speaker 2: children and young people in care. As a government, we

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Speaker 2: have streatment legislation to deal with repeat sex offenders. We

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Speaker 2: have funded the Guardian to have oversights of children and

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Speaker 2: young people in care. These issues happened under the Liberal government.

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Speaker 2: The difference is we are getting on, absolutely getting on

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Speaker 2: with investing in change and making change. We make it

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Speaker 2: our business to know what is going on.

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Speaker 1: So, Katrine Hildyard yesterday morning, here on five double A

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Speaker 1: Andrew Carpenter, Solicitor and you're a big advocate in this space, Andrew,

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Speaker 1: any response to that.

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Speaker 3: Personally, we're in the midst of a child abuse epidemic

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Speaker 3: in South Australia. I mean, if you look at the

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Speaker 3: district court stats every day, we're averaging on about twenty

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Speaker 3: five percent per day of people charged with child sexual abuse.

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Speaker 3: And there was even a study late last year from

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Speaker 3: the Australian Our Treatment study which show that one in

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Speaker 3: three girls and one in five boys will be sexually

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Speaker 3: abusable or the eighteenth birthday. So the government's still on

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Speaker 3: the back foot and the problem is they're not addressing

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Speaker 3: anything to deter it. They're talking about things after the fact.

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Speaker 3: Now that's not good enough.

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Speaker 1: What sort of thing should be there in place? So

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Speaker 1: how do you deter it?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's something that you kin't of rest out of.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's it's it's a point zero zero three

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Speaker 3: percent conviction eight per one thousand reports. So statistically speaking,

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Speaker 3: Bob Catter has a better chance of becoming the next

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Speaker 3: Australian Prime Minister, according to sports Bet, than you are

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Speaker 3: kidding convicted of a child abuse claim. So it's something

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Speaker 3: at the front end by setting up a sex afender registry,

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Speaker 3: having minimum mandatory sentences, but actually deter people from permitting

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Speaker 1: So okay, this is a big problem. You report on

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Speaker 1: these figures regularly. We're to next the minister talking about

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Speaker 1: beefing up legislation, about putting in you know, whatever procedures

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Speaker 1: need to be put in place. We've had this problem

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Speaker 3: We have, but if you look at the protest of laws,

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Speaker 3: say a year ago they changed the legislation or actually

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Speaker 3: talk about doing something later this year. It's not good enough.

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Speaker 3: There's a problem now. The problem needs to be addressed now.

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Speaker 3: But you think that many many years ago in liberal government,

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Speaker 3: these stats weren't known. The one in three girls one

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Speaker 3: the Labor government is well aware of what's going on

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Speaker 3: and it's no longer a knowledge problem, it's an accountability problem.

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Speaker 3: Something needs to change and needs to change now.

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Speaker 1: Should the minister have just that one portfolio child protection?

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Speaker 1: Should it be a single minister's job.

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Speaker 3: I believe so. If you think that if we're seeing

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Speaker 3: charge with domestic violence, there'd be a standlone minister. There

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Speaker 3: It's something that needs to be a standalone and having

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Speaker 3: two polar opposite things of child protection and sports, it's

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Speaker 3: something that you know this is a lot more serious

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Speaker 3: something that our children are, our future and we need

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Speaker 3: to protect them. Now.

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Speaker 1: The liberals that are standalone minister in Rachel Sanderson, so

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Speaker 1: there was things didn't get.

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Speaker 3: Better, didn't get better, but it didn't get worse. So

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Speaker 3: that's the problem. Like the most recent stats show how

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Speaker 3: terrible these crimes are becoming, and the fact that they're

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Speaker 3: highlighted every week now, how prevalent they are in society,

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Speaker 3: it's not the whole strange danger thing that we're worried about.

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Speaker 3: It's eighty percent are ancestral and ninety three percent people

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Speaker 3: So it's something that you need to actually get on

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Speaker 3: And you know, you can't kick the can down the

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Speaker 1: And matters like this, if it is within the family home,

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Speaker 3: Is because a lot of the time it's a breadwinner

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Speaker 3: to be changed, or even implementing a lot of social

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Speaker 3: by people in power. They don't want to sit in

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Speaker 3: to be a lot of different things to think or

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Speaker 1: You've been campaigning with Madeline West on targeting superannuation of offenders.

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Speaker 1: How's that coming along?

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Speaker 3: Well, the Laura Henderson tabled something in Parliament where they

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Speaker 3: There was one hundred percent vote, so there was not

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Speaker 3: that we've heard that's come from this. But it's another

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Speaker 3: one of those things where if people stand to lose

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Speaker 3: everything they've worked for, they might think twice about offending.

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Speaker 3: So the Labor government previously said they don't want to

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Speaker 3: more than three million dollars and thirty percent. So what

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Speaker 3: they're effectively saying is much rather go after hard working

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Speaker 1: The answer there in that regard, I mean, do you

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Speaker 3: Well, it's nothing you can arrest out of, but at

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Speaker 3: The historical reporting rates on average of twenty nine point

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Speaker 3: it's still something that is incurring, so ongoing, and it

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Speaker 3: is occurring more at a high rate than any other

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Speaker 3: But the reason why we don't actually message or similar

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Speaker 3: So look at Acik for instance. Acik realized that spending

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Speaker 3: it actually slows it down. I mean, why not try it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, problem that's been going on for decades.

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Speaker 1: There were calls on the minister to resign. Would that

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Speaker 3: I think the main thing is just setting up a

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Speaker 3: realize that there is a problem with vulnerable children in

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Speaker 3: percent of overall sexual abuse. So whilst they're highlighting the

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Speaker 1: Would to standalone minister have a full day though, I

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Speaker 3: If you look at the horrendous statistics, it's abuse at

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Speaker 3: forty two percent of all matters in the district court

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Speaker 1: How many cases per day.

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Speaker 3: It's on average about thirty. So the other week when

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Speaker 1: That's terrible, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: It's shocking. And it's not only the ease of accessing this,

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Speaker 1: Yeahe do we need a campaign within schools for kids

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Speaker 3: Well, a lot of children the second they learn sexual education,

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Speaker 3: that's when something triggers and come forward. So Madeline West

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Speaker 3: They're going around schools and talking about this. She's had

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Speaker 3: some nineteen thousand notifications over the past year and that's

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Speaker 3: So it's once children realize what's happening to them is wrong,

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Speaker 1: Yeah it's terrible, and saying it's just shameful, what's happening

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, people don't realize how bad it is. And

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Speaker 3: The reason why the media can't report it is, like

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Speaker 3: I said before, eighty percent are ancestral, ninety three percent

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and these are cases, these stats you're referring cases

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Speaker 3: Yes, so that's every day I check the court list,

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Speaker 1: And four percent would represent roughly four cases for actual cases.

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Speaker 3: out of all abuse, four percent occurrent in institutional care.

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Speaker 1: Andrew, look, keep us in the loop with this, with

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Speaker 3: He's on the odd defined benefit scheme, so he's been

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Speaker 3: So this is it's an uncomfortable conversation that we need

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Speaker 1: Have you got headphones just next to you there? Just

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Speaker 1: slip them on if you do, because we've got Caesar

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Speaker 1: and Caesar, good morning.

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Speaker 4: I'll go go good. This interview is something I've been

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Speaker 4: I'd love to know if he's actually had any contact

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Speaker 3: The only minister that's ever reached out to me on

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Speaker 4: Shadow, but she is the star of the parliament, the girl.

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Speaker 3: So ever since I've done these videos, she's the only

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Speaker 4: And that doesn't surprise me one bit. Actually, I thought

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Speaker 4: that was the answer you're going to give. It's actually

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Speaker 4: a disgrace that you say that now that the actual

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Speaker 1: Caesar, thank you. We've got Laura Henderson who's called in

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Speaker 5: Good morning, Andrew, and good morning.

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Speaker 1: To your listeners.

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Speaker 5: What would you like to say, Laura, just it is

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Speaker 5: absolutely harrowing that we have these figures before the District

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Speaker 5: Court at the moment. It's something that I know Andrew

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Speaker 5: the Rural Commission that's looking in through family and domestic

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Speaker 5: violence is actually going to have a significant focus on

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Speaker 5: sexual assaults of children as well within the family unit, because,

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Speaker 5: as Andrew is just highlighted, we know that quite frequently

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Speaker 2: Not good enough.

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Speaker 1: How do we stop it though, Laura, Realistically, behind closed

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Speaker 5: It absolutely is, But I think that's no excuse for

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Speaker 5: us to try and find ways that we can eliminate it.

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Speaker 5: Because of course every single child ends up being the

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Speaker 5: to try and close the legal loophole around super annuation

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Speaker 5: they do have that absolutely unfigisible action that that carries through.

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Speaker 5: I think it's something that needs to be seriously looked at.

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Speaker 1: All right, Laura, thank you for your call this morning.

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Speaker 1: Laura Henderson, Shadow Assistant Minister for Child Protection, and Andrew,

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Speaker 1: thank you. Obviously you hit a new out there with

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Speaker 1: it all in agreement with what you've been saying, so

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Speaker 3: Thank you've always raising this and just to highlight those

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Speaker 3: If you look at an average classroom of thirty children,

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Speaker 3: statistically speaking, eight of those children will be sexty a

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Speaker 3: and thank you for having.

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Speaker 1: Me on pleasure. Thank you. Andrew Carpenter, solicitor regarding the

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Speaker 1: issue of child protection, spoke to the Minister about this

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Speaker 1: issue yesterday. She's making some announcements this week. We hope

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Speaker 1: to speak with her again before Friday.