1 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm christinamiot. 2 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 1: It's Monday, November three, twenty five. Anthony Albernizi says his 3 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 1: party's major policies will be squared away by January one. 4 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: The Prime Minister will prioritize universal childcare, environmental reform and 5 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: changes to Medicare in the final sitting weeks of the year, 6 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: following his longest absence from Parliament in his thirty year career. 7 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 1: The PM's exclusive interview with senior political reporter Sarah Eisen 8 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: is live right now at the Australian dot com dot au. 9 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: UK counter terrorism police are assisting with investigations after ten 10 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: passengers on a train in Cambridgeshire were stabbed on Sunday night. 11 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: Authorities arrested two people following the terrifying six minute attack, 12 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: which left all but one of the victims with life 13 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: threatening injes the Coalition would be resoundingly defeated if an 14 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: election was held tomorrow. That's according to a historic News 15 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: poll which has seen internal chaos push the Liberal and 16 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: National parties to new depths. But it's not all sunshine 17 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: and roses for the government either. Today political editor Jeff 18 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 1: Chambers joins me to unpack how the coalition got here 19 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: and what they do next. It's been a big few 20 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:33,559 Speaker 1: months in Australian politics. 21 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 2: We recognize the legitimate, unlong held aspirations of the people 22 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 2: of Palestine. 23 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 1: I'll tell you this one is they've got a great 24 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: They really have a great prime minister. 25 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 2: It's not really conducive to being effective for me, nor 26 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 2: effective for them to remain in the room. 27 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: I don't like you either, and it probably. 28 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 3: Never will go h It's probably not real reason that 29 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 3: he continue in the role, because the Shadow Home Affairs 30 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 3: Minister Andrew Hasty has resigned from the Liberal front bench, 31 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 3: declaring he can no longer remain silent on the issue 32 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 3: of immigration. He knew, he understood, and still he wore 33 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 3: the T shirt. 34 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 2: The National's Federal Council passing a motion to abandon support 35 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 2: for achieving net zero emissions. 36 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 3: I'm not come. 37 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: And voters, well, they're not having a bar of it. 38 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 2: So there's a few records broken in this newspoll that 39 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 2: was conducted between Monday and Thursday last week. 40 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: Jeff Chambers is The Australian's political editor. 41 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 2: Since the May III election, we've twice written that the 42 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 2: coalition's primary vote was the worst on record since primary 43 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 2: votes were first counted by a news poll in November 44 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 2: nineteen eighty five. What this poll tells us is that 45 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 2: the Liberals and Nationals combined coalition primary vote is down 46 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 2: to twenty four percent, and compared to the last poll, 47 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 2: that's a very sizable decrease for Susan Lee's coalition. And 48 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 2: when you add that to Labour's primary vote which fell 49 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 2: a point down to thirty six percent, that combined share 50 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 2: for the major parties is now only sixty percent, So 51 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 2: that's another record. That's the lowest combined major party primary 52 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 2: vote since nineteen eighty five. But it's not all great 53 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 2: reading for the Prime Minister. The level of dissatisfaction with 54 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 2: his leadership is at its highest now, so that's up 55 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 2: three percent to fifty one percent dissatisfied with his performance. 56 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 2: But obviously, in contrast to in Lee and where the 57 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 2: coalition is that the government would easily win an election, 58 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 2: the two party preferred vote is still at a very 59 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 2: big margin of fifty seven to forty three. 60 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 1: So if voters aren't behind the major parties, where have 61 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 1: they gone? 62 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 2: A lot of that coalition vote is flowing to Pauline 63 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 2: Hanson's One Nation. One Nation's primary vote is up to 64 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 2: fifteen percent, which is their highest ever and their previous 65 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 2: highest mark of thirteen percent was all the way back 66 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 2: in June nineteen ninety eight. The Other's pile, which includes 67 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 2: minor parties and independents, they've also risen to fourteen percent, 68 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 2: while the Greens have fallen one percent down to eleven. 69 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 2: So you're seeing vote coming off the coalition, Labor and 70 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 2: the Greens, and it's almost like a bit of a 71 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 2: protest vote, you know, we're seeing votes splattering now out 72 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 2: to One Nation and other minor parties and independents. 73 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: Since she was appointed leader of the Liberals in May, 74 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: Susan Lee has been trying to contain a party in 75 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:17,919 Speaker 1: crisis on top of a historic election loss. There's been infighting, 76 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: public blowups, resignations, and policy confusion. But as we get 77 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: to the pointy end of the year, the question is 78 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 1: can she keep her job and can the coalition keep 79 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 1: traveling the same path. 80 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 2: Her net approval rating started off at about minus seven 81 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 2: immediately after the election in our first News poll in July. 82 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 2: That has now crashed to minus thirty three percent, So 83 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 2: there are only twenty five percent of voters polled who 84 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 2: are satisfied with her performance and fifty eight percent who 85 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 2: were dissatisfied. And to put that in context, Peter Dunton 86 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 2: was never a popular opposition leader, but this is by 87 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 2: far and away much worse than Peter Duttan's poorest net 88 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 2: approval rating, and this puts Susan Lee now into territory 89 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 2: of other unpopular opposition leaders. So we're talking Alexander Downer, 90 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 2: John Hewston, Simon Crane, Kim Bisley and Bill Shorten when 91 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 2: he was running pretty poorly there. They're in a pretty 92 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 2: poor shape right now. I mean, typically we've seen both 93 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 2: the major parties suffer heavy defeats, but after the collective 94 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 2: disasters of the twenty two and namely the twenty five election, 95 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 2: it's a numerical situation. There just isn't many Liberals left 96 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 2: in the building and a lot of the more talented 97 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 2: liberal MPs have lost their seats at the last two elections, 98 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 2: so it's a bit of a talent pool issue. We're 99 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 2: about to enter the second final parliamentary sitting week of 100 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 2: the year, and famously this period in Australian politics has 101 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,919 Speaker 2: become known as the killing season. And while there is 102 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 2: no sort of coordinated war room or obvious candidate that's emerging, 103 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 2: the effect of this news poll could actually see that 104 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 2: back room chattering progress to something a bit more organized 105 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 2: and Susan Lee has a lot to navigate. The National 106 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 2: Party has come out and opposed net zero by twenty fifty. 107 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 2: There's a lot of divided opinion in the Liberal party 108 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 2: room as to what position they'll take, so that net 109 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 2: zero piece, that energy policy piece, and most importantly keeping 110 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 2: the show together because ever since the Male election, you'd 111 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 2: expect some in fighting, some differences of opinion, but this 112 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 2: has now run for a long period of time where 113 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 2: almost every week you'll hear a senior Liberal MP or 114 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 2: National MP seemingly undermining their leader. And we've seen that 115 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 2: in the last fortnight and I think that she's very 116 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 2: much now in his zone where she has to probably 117 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 2: be a bit bolder and make decisions a bit faster 118 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 2: than she thought she'd have to. 119 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think a poll like this adds a 120 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: layer of inevitability to recent moves made by opposition figures 121 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: like Barnaby Joyce, who said that his place in the 122 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: Nationals party room is untenable. And Andrew Hasty and just 123 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: Into NumPy and for Price, who've both quit the front 124 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: bench despite being touted as possible future leaders at various points. 125 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 2: I think the departures of just Into their Juniper Price 126 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 2: and Andrew Hasty were very damaging for Susan Lee. I 127 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 2: think Barnaby Joyce is on another level. He's as much 128 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,719 Speaker 2: more of a personality conflict with David Little Proud and 129 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 2: his disillusionment with the National Party. But for those young 130 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 2: up and coming Liberal MPs and senator in Senator Price, 131 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 2: that is not a good early sign. I think it's 132 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 2: the job of the leader to be able to bring 133 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 2: together orring factions and tribes and get everyone on the 134 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 2: same page. And if you can't do that, ultimately that 135 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 2: pressure is going to build and any mistake you make, 136 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 2: or any mistake it becomes more and more of a 137 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 2: focal point in terms of the threat to her leadership. 138 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: Coming up. The MPs are back in town, but the 139 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: mood is far from celebratory. This is, as you said, 140 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: the second last sitting week of the year. How much 141 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: attention are the major parties paying to polls like this 142 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 1: one and are they worried about it or should they be? 143 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,959 Speaker 2: I think that publicly you'll hear plenty politicians on Monday 144 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 2: coming out and saying poles come, poles go. The historic 145 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 2: nature of this pole and those record lows for the 146 00:09:54,440 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 2: coalition can't be ignored. And internally behind closed doors, this 147 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 2: is certainly going to be a point of conversation, and 148 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 2: the interesting aspect we will see to be whether it 149 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 2: goes from disenchantment with the direction of the Liberal Party 150 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 2: under Susan Lee to whether there is any organization against 151 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 2: Susan Lee heading into that final parliamentary week of the year. 152 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 2: The flip side of the argument is Susan Lee is 153 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 2: the first female Liberal leader. She hasn't had that long 154 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 2: to have a crack. We've got a long summer break 155 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 2: coming up, and then we head towards a May budget 156 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 2: where she would have an opportunity to do a budget reply. 157 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,839 Speaker 2: So the feeling had been to date that Susan Lee 158 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 2: would be given time. But if she can't recover that 159 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 2: position and the polling shows that support keeps dripping away 160 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 2: from the coalition, the leadership will come into question. 161 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: Jeff Chambers is the Australian's Political editor. You can read 162 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: his in depth analysis of this historic Newspole result, plus 163 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: all the nation's best news, sports, politics and business right 164 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: now at the Australian dot com dot au