1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty amazing when your feed back and I 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: was just and want sort of working through to the 3 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: two there and five. Seriously, say twenty years on, I 4 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: think it's ten uc to actually finish up with glossa shyear. 5 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: Do you miss cricket at all in terms of playing 6 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: or is the teaching side of things that you talk 7 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:20,240 Speaker 1: about the business you're obviously also coaching with that program. 8 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: Does that tick the competitive edge or the sporting age 9 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: for you? 10 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 2: Sort of? 11 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 3: You know, it's it's you know, I've loved what I 12 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 3: do at the school and definitely the fact of still 13 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 3: being involved in cricket. I think the one thing that 14 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 3: can happen is when you come out of a professional 15 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 3: career and what you move to next. And quite a 16 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 3: few players over here do you go into a school 17 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:49,319 Speaker 3: and they think you're you're not really massively into it. 18 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 3: But it's sort of for me not really the case. 19 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 3: It's it's kept those sort of cricket juices going and 20 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:00,279 Speaker 3: being involved in the cricket here. It's so it's kept 21 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 3: away and it's actually sort of coming full circle where 22 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 3: it's given me that point now where my boys are 23 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 3: getting older and as they come towards the end of school, 24 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 3: it's it's what's next. And actually I'm sort of thinking 25 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 3: about getting back into into cricket full time, so it's 26 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 3: it's it's that sort of stuff. 27 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 2: So cricket, cricket here. 28 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 3: At schools has been amazing. And business studies teaching that 29 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 3: is something different. Learning about the classroom environment. It's a 30 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 3: bit like a dressing room. How do you get you know, 31 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 3: everyone in the class working in the direction you want. 32 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 3: So it's been it's been great since I've finished, and 33 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 3: it's been it's been interesting, that's for sure. 34 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: You talking about youtubo boys and I believe you meet 35 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: your wife when you first sort of moved over to 36 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: the UK from from Queensland. I guess you would have 37 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: been early to be twenty set that stage. So are 38 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: they following your footsteps? They must be, as you see 39 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: close to the any if I'm writing in terms of 40 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: my mathematics, not always a strong suit for a journalists, 41 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: but sometimes we get there. 42 00:01:58,240 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 4: They must. 43 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, are they follow your footage in terms of the 44 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: cricket or are they doing a couple of other things? 45 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: So you said the rugby, a couple of the other 46 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: sports over there. 47 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, So Reese is my oldest. 48 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 3: He's sixteen, so he's got two years of school left 49 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 3: and he's a fantastic little hockey player. Actually he plays 50 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 3: recently started being playing for Cancery men's first team and 51 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 3: he got me on the match on the weekend, so he's. 52 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 2: Hockey is his thing. 53 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 3: He does play a bit of social cricket at the 54 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 3: village that I'm involved with, so he definitely does that. 55 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 3: And then his younger brother Tom, who's fourteen, is a 56 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 3: little bit of a pocket going away with the rugby. 57 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 3: He loves his rugby, so that they are playing sport. 58 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 3: Cricket's too hard, so I'm glad they've tried. 59 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: Something else, saying he's still got your full hitd of here, 60 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 1: so you've done well there, which I cannot claim. And 61 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: just going through I think your profile, I think I 62 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 1: think you're a week older than me, so we're a 63 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 1: similar aid. So if it's that hard, that's a reasonable thing. 64 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 4: Background and I remember this being a big deal back. 65 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 4: I guess I was. 66 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:10,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would have been through university and I think 67 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: as a news journalist at the time in Melbourne, but 68 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: I remember the Australian or the Australian born person who's 69 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: well Pupu gu Guinea born but Australian raised player about 70 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: to debut for England. And there's been a couple of 71 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: different instances of that sort of through the years of 72 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: different player from different countries here as well, and. 73 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 4: It's happened in the UK. 74 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: How did a kid who was born in Papua New 75 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: Guinea race in Toomba, played cricket in Brisbane end up 76 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: playing for England? 77 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty remarkable really, as you said, sort of outlined 78 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 3: my first twenty twenty one years living in Australia from 79 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 3: the age of six. So yeah, born in p ANDNG 80 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 3: moved towards when as a family when I was six, 81 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 3: and then in nineteen ninety eight was that was when 82 00:03:58,320 --> 00:03:59,839 Speaker 3: I came over to the UK full time. 83 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 2: I just came over for a summer. 84 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 3: I was playing a decent level in Brisbane, so I 85 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 3: had played for Benny Logan in the Brisbane A grade competition. 86 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 3: I had been involved in the Queensland Academy Sport with 87 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 3: that cricket, played a little bit of second eleven cricket. 88 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 3: But then sort of a player who had gone down 89 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 3: to South Australia keep it a try, try sort of 90 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 3: luck down there, came back to Queensland and he was 91 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 3: brought straight back into it. 92 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 2: So that sort of left me in a position where I. 93 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 3: Sort of looked at stuff and I said, well, okay, 94 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 3: let's just I've got a British passport through my parents. 95 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 3: Let's go over and play some club cricket again in England, 96 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 3: which I'd done when I left school. So that was 97 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety five. I'd gone over a summer, absolutely 98 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 3: loved it, and I just sort of said, well, let's 99 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 3: go for a summer and I left my I met 100 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 3: my wife that year. She claims then my future career 101 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 3: from everything on because I stayed and didn't go back 102 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 3: to Australia. 103 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 2: And you know, but there was a few years where 104 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 2: I was doing other things. 105 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 3: I actually started off doing a bit of course for 106 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 3: it to be a pharmacy assistant, so not the full pharmacist, 107 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 3: because I was living with a good friend of mine's parents. 108 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 3: So I was working and playing club cricket and trying 109 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 3: to work out what was going and then I wrote, 110 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 3: I wrote to several counties just asking for a trial. 111 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 3: And by that point I was I was early twenties, 112 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,919 Speaker 3: and you know, his generally you've been in the system 113 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 3: from fifteen sixteen, so I went. I went to different 114 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 3: indoor schools around the country and trialed with sixteen seventeen 115 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 3: year olds and I the reason that Kent asked me 116 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 3: back was because the first first ball I faced to spin, 117 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 3: I ran down the wicket and whacked it back over 118 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 3: the bowler's head and they sort of because they saw 119 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 3: me do that sparked an interest and obviously you know 120 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 3: they'd seen my CV and went from there where they 121 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 3: invited me back again for pre season and then that 122 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 3: I had a summer where I was working full time 123 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 3: in the pharmacy and traveling to all the Kent Second 124 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 3: eleven games and got offered a professional contract from there. 125 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 2: So that was in the start of two thousand and 126 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 2: one was. 127 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 3: My first professional contract with Kent and then September two 128 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 3: thousand and three was when I first went on my 129 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 3: first England tour. 130 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 2: So it was pretty dramatic rise. 131 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 3: And quite an incredible one and there wasn't long before 132 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 3: we got to the Ashes in two thousand and five. 133 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 4: So a couple of great mate. 134 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: It's a rite of passage for every young Australian who 135 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 1: fancies some stuff with getpat to try and get over 136 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: and play some county, or with the ball to try 137 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: and play some county, or more of the pointing. 138 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 4: I suppose a lot of levels and live the life 139 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 4: in the UK. 140 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 1: And I've got some great mates who've done what you 141 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: did and moved over and never come back. They met 142 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: their wives over there and have got their families and 143 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: love life. But the spinners only would face spin. Where 144 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: did you pick up spin? How could you? Who were 145 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 1: you facing? 146 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 4: Any Brisbane? 147 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: Was it was there someone that you you're learning against 148 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: Sinton one? But what was the trick there? 149 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 2: I don't think it was a trick. It was just 150 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 2: a bit of I think it was. 151 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 3: It was you know, my natural way of playing was 152 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 3: quite an aggressive way, and in and in Australia you 153 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 3: do try and you know, do try and dominate the 154 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 3: spin and so using your feet is a is a 155 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 3: way you do it. So I didn't necessarily grow up 156 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 3: sweeping that much. It was more more the traditional to 157 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 3: use your feet, get get to the bounce of it 158 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 3: and play it that way. And that's so that instinct 159 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 3: just took over first ball. It wasn't a it wasn't 160 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 3: on purpose or anything like that. I did a few thinks. 161 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 3: I just I did it and found myself okay. You 162 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 3: know he got me in trouble over my career for sure. 163 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 3: And you know one of the ones, if you talk 164 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 3: about it, is you know when Warne got me out 165 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 3: at trent Bridge where I ran down the wicket and. 166 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 2: Tried to whack him out of Nottingham. Didn't quite work 167 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 2: and got out. 168 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 3: But that was just the I suppose, the natural way 169 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 3: in which I went around playing spin. 170 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 2: I tried to be aggressive and it worked. 171 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 3: Because that was the coach who was watching me in 172 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 3: that trial session at ken Was he said that if 173 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 3: I hadn't seen you do that ball, I probably wouldn't 174 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 3: have asked you back. So it's amazing how small little 175 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 3: there is quite a few moments across my career which 176 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 3: something has happened, which is call it luck, call it 177 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 3: sort of doing the right thing. But that is one definitely, 178 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 3: if if he hadn't watched me play that one bore 179 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 3: it actually. 180 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 2: Wasn't wouldn't be sitting here talking to you now. 181 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: You go on the tour of the West Sindees A 182 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: really good profile in the Guardian from two thousand and 183 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: four and we're talking about your upbringing and your background, 184 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: and I think you'd had any interview at that stage 185 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: with the journalists and you talked about all of that, 186 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: and you talked about Michael Vaughan present you with the opportunity. 187 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: I think Chris Reid had he'd been dropped as we 188 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: could keep it well, the opportunity came for you to 189 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: have that chance in the West Indies. Yeah, must have 190 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 1: been quite the world when not quite the experience for you. 191 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, amazing because before that, I'd say in the September, 192 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 3: I'd gone on my first tour to Bangladesh and then 193 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 3: Sri Lanka that was pre Christmas, and then it was 194 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 3: the West Indies after Christmas. 195 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,599 Speaker 2: And that's that was the Fifth Test is where I 196 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 2: made my debut. 197 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 3: And I sort of looked at the the itinery of 198 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 3: that series and and ready was in possession and doing 199 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 3: doing doing well. And but I looked at it before 200 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 3: that Fifth Test there was a practice match and so 201 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 3: I thought, right, well, there's a there's a chance that 202 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 3: I'll get an opportunity to play in that. And if 203 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 3: Chris has been playing really well and it's still in 204 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 3: the you know, still that's fine. But if if there's 205 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 3: a there might be a window where in that match, 206 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 3: if I do well, I could get an opportunity in 207 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:49,679 Speaker 3: that last Test match. 208 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 2: And and that was the case. That's the way it 209 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 2: played out. 210 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:56,199 Speaker 3: But again we talk about moments I was, I was 211 00:09:56,280 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 3: bold for one or two off off an a ball 212 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 3: in that practice match, but then I went on to 213 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 3: get fifty odd night. 214 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 2: Out and. 215 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 3: Then that led to Varney sort of having a chat 216 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 3: with me in the in the nets and the lead 217 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 3: up to that fifth Test match and telling me then 218 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 3: that that I was in That's. 219 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 4: An amazing sort of. 220 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: We have the fortune of working with him through Fox Cricket. 221 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: We'll be talking to him about the series set are 222 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: about to through the next couple of weeks leading into 223 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: the summer. I'll ask you quickly about the century against 224 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: New Zealand before we drill into that that famous series. 225 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 4: How was that? 226 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: Did you have a moment of fortune in that one 227 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:37,559 Speaker 1: or was that that all fine? 228 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 4: Smoothly off the bat? 229 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 3: I think I think, for one, I think I played 230 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 3: pretty well in that innings. I peaked early. It was 231 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 3: my third third Test match to get that hundred. And 232 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 3: now it's it's your dream isn't it that it's the 233 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 3: pinnacle to get one hundred at test match level? 234 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 2: Is a judgment factor, isn't it If you can you 235 00:10:58,880 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 2: can do that? 236 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 3: And so yeah, that innings were it Just yeah, it 237 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:07,719 Speaker 3: flowed really well. I'd actually I recall I'd played New 238 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 3: Zealand in a warm up match for Kent, so I 239 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 3: sort of had had an idea who I was coming 240 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 3: up against, and so yeah, so yeah, just incredible up Aheadingly, 241 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 3: I think I got it off the just a shot 242 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 3: off the back foot behind point to go to get 243 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 3: those couple of runs to and you know that special moment. 244 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:28,959 Speaker 3: I have a you know, there is a picture where 245 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 3: I've got my arms up sort of looking up to 246 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 3: up to the sky when I got it, And so yeah, no, 247 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 3: quite amazing, but. 248 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 2: Probably the one if you have regret. 249 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 3: I don't really have any regrets in my sport, but 250 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 3: the one regret wasn't and you mentioned it in the 251 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:45,959 Speaker 3: in the opening, that I didn't get a second hundred. 252 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 3: I got close, and I should have got one in 253 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 3: two thousand and five, but to get one is still incredible. 254 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:57,439 Speaker 1: Really, I will get into the two thousand and five 255 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: series anmum, we'll drill into it in a bit of detail, 256 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: because I said, I'm from this is the right side 257 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: of me. I'm putting together a feature and already had 258 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: a couple of good chats with some of the a 259 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:12,239 Speaker 1: couple of the Australians, your counterpart with the Gloves, Adam Gilchrist. 260 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 4: He said some couple of fascinating things to me sort 261 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 4: of about that series and how I'm supposed to start with. 262 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: You said, he sensed that England was coming in a 263 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: white ball series the year before. He thought, yep, this 264 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 1: English team that we're coming up against is going to 265 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 1: be a real challenge. And then you go through the 266 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: names of the players twenty years on and there are 267 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:36,199 Speaker 1: just some champion players on both sides, big reputations, great 268 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: contributors to the sport. The first Test and forgive me, 269 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: I've got a couple of notes here, so I'll read 270 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: through it. But just we started started Lord's Australia win 271 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 1: by two hundred and thirty nine runs. 272 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 4: England knocks them over for one ninety in the first 273 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:51,959 Speaker 4: first series. First Test. 274 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: Respond with one fifty five, but Kevin Peterson debuts fifty 275 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: seven and sixty four. I think you take four catches 276 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: in the first sinnings of the of the series, which 277 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 1: is a good, good start. I think you made a 278 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: thirty of that one hundred and fifty five as well, 279 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 1: so it wasn't a bad contribution. But what can you 280 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: remember of that And did you cop a bit of 281 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: lift from the Aussies as a result of your back 282 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: you know, your background. 283 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 4: Did you cop much from them at that time? 284 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 3: To be honest, no, I think because I'd come over 285 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 3: to the UK under the radar a bit. Yes, I'd 286 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:34,719 Speaker 3: played a grade cricket for four years over in Australia 287 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 3: and there I'd come across Casper Andrew Simon's, Matthew Mott, 288 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:42,079 Speaker 3: you know, Maddy Hay and these these sort of guys 289 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 3: who so I had a level of understanding and playing 290 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 3: against these players. I think that that definitely helped going 291 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 3: into that series. But also whether they'd forgotten me or whatever. 292 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 3: But you talk about the stick that previous Australians had 293 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 3: got coming over and playing for ings, and so there's 294 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 3: a guy I played a bit with, Ken Martin McCaig, 295 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,839 Speaker 3: you know, he was one going back, but I think 296 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 3: he had played sort of higher level. 297 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:09,959 Speaker 2: Than I had. 298 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 3: I think, you know, I think he played some shield 299 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 3: cricket and some higher representative stuff. 300 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 2: So so that was a bigger transition for him. 301 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 3: And more so, I think I slipped under the radar 302 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 3: a bit and that helped. 303 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 2: But yeah, leading into that series, you you know that 304 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 2: first Test. 305 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 3: Match walking out lords so walking from the changing room 306 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 3: through the you know, through the pavilion where the members 307 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 3: are going out onto the grass that first morning was 308 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 3: one of the most brilliant memories I have out of 309 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 3: out of cricket because it was sort of like a 310 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 3: we had a shoulder width corridor which all the way down, 311 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 3: so from the way the home dressing rooms you have 312 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 3: to go down some stairs and and so just the 313 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 3: noise walking out that first morning was utterly incredible. And 314 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 3: then you know, we bowled first and at lunch I 315 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 3: think we had him five down and and so the 316 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 3: sort of the reception we got going through that long 317 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 3: room again was was even better than walking out that morning. 318 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 3: But yeah, they sort of changed a bit from them 319 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 3: and you mentioned how much we lost by but yeah, 320 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 3: definitely KP set a bit of a marker out in 321 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 3: that in that first first Test. Yeah, I've got the 322 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 3: chance to bat with him for quite a bit of it, 323 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 3: and we we'd seen how good KP could be because 324 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 3: in South Africa in the One Day series he'd got 325 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 3: three hundreds out of the seven matches there, and so 326 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 3: he he forced his way in to that and so 327 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 3: he wanted to make an impact and he definitely definitely 328 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 3: did that with in that first first Test match. And 329 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 3: I'm glad you highlighted the four catches I took because 330 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 3: what sticks with me is the two I dropped. 331 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 2: You know, clearly strom their mind, ye, and that's yeah. 332 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 3: So if I talk me going into that series, I 333 00:15:56,640 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 3: still probably in my head and in journalists had as well, 334 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 3: I still wasn't the settled choice of who should be playing. 335 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 3: So there was always that scrutiny around around what I 336 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 3: did and that series, you know, as we go through 337 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 3: each Test match, but really defined in my career because 338 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 3: I made mistakes. I dropped catches the whole way through 339 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 3: my career. There's no getting away from that. But what 340 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 3: I felt I bounced back pretty well from them, and 341 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 3: I always defined my career on sort of my contributions. 342 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 2: My stats are terrible. 343 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 3: I'm glad you didn't bring up too many of those, 344 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 3: because I don't like looking at the stats. I sort 345 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 3: of look back and think, right, what did I contribute 346 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 3: to the team, what important stuff? And across that series 347 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 3: and in that first Test match I sort of I 348 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 3: did lay a bit of a marker out with a 349 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 3: bat and went from there again and going into that 350 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 3: epics second Test, I had some confidence, but there was 351 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 3: also with the gloves. 352 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 2: I knew I needed to sort of do some better work. 353 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: I'll get to the second Test and the second It's 354 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 1: interesting talk about I remember reading in that profile you 355 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: talked about how it was always very much a team 356 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: sport for you, like it had to be a team 357 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 1: sort of and people will play their roles. You also 358 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 1: talked about Rod Marsh in that story or there was 359 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:16,439 Speaker 1: apparently not being necessarily happy to he got the gloves 360 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 1: initially in the West Indies, now an iconic Australian keeper 361 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: and you had to have a chat to win that 362 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 1: was he still I can't remember if he was still 363 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: coaching or was he still involved with England for that 364 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: five series? 365 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 4: I can't remember. 366 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 3: Okay, the when he wasn't happy was the West Indies 367 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 3: because you know Red he was an unbelievable people there's 368 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 3: you know, and he'd been through the academy that Rod 369 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 3: had overseen and so fully understandable. 370 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 2: Rod was backing his player that he's come through. And 371 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 2: but I always got on with Rod well, you know, 372 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 2: he had those conversations with the management behind. 373 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 3: But I had been down to the Academy in Australia 374 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 3: when I was must be about eighteen. I was, I 375 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 3: I've been on a two week sort of scholarship to 376 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 3: go down there, so I'd had interactions with rodin along 377 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 3: the way, and so, yeah, our relationship was fine, it 378 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 3: was absolutely but yeah he was he was just backing 379 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 3: as man. And so when I did see him again 380 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 3: in two thousand and five, yeah, we're absolutely fine. But yeah, 381 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 3: he wasn't happy in the West Indies, Let's put it 382 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 3: that way. 383 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: At the end of that, at the end of that 384 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: Lord's Test and Gilchrist Tommy needs as entail, which I'm 385 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 1: not sure if you're aware of it, but they he 386 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 1: said they headed down in the rooms every drink with England. 387 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: Afterwards England went dead. You know, do you know what 388 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 1: unfolded in the rooms there? 389 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 2: No? 390 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 3: But no interesting to hear because I suppose my memory 391 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 3: is the flip side of us going up into their 392 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 3: changing rooms, and it's something that I wanted to do 393 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:55,439 Speaker 3: personally because you know, Australian was full of legends, you know, 394 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 3: one one to eleven was utterly incredible players. But like 395 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 3: I s, I'd played against a few of them and 396 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 3: I just wanted to go and break that aura down 397 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 3: and go into the changing rooms and sit there and 398 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 3: have a beer and just sort of in a way 399 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 3: take me back to well, I've played against some of 400 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 3: these guys in Great Cricket and Brisbane, you know, so 401 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 3: let's just think about it that way. 402 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 2: That's what you know, let's go break down those barriers. 403 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 3: So yeah, but I can't remember if they came and 404 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 3: knocked on the door and we didn't answer or what. 405 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: But yeah, what a Gillie Well no, only I mean 406 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: he suggests they did something and he said, karma came 407 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,919 Speaker 1: back to biteas and I'll reveal it by text message 408 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 1: to you afterwards. Reason that's the case. But he did 409 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 1: say that. He said what they also took from it 410 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: was that this was an England team that was there 411 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 1: to win and not just there for niceties, and that they. 412 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 4: Knew even though they got the first Test and they 413 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:45,159 Speaker 4: were happy with that. 414 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: Way had gone that this was a team that was 415 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: desperate to win by the time they got to and 416 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: and and so I approved, you get you get to 417 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: you get to Edgefiston for the second Test, Glenn McGraw 418 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 1: walks on the ball. Can you remember that? And what 419 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: the feeling was from there? And and that amazing test. 420 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: England four hundred and seven in the first Indies Australia 421 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 1: responded with three hundred and eight England one hundred and 422 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,640 Speaker 1: eighty two in the second innings two hundred and seventy nine. 423 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 1: It gets down to the couple of runs Kasper Wilson, 424 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: Lee Badding, Harmerson delivers and you take the great catch, 425 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 1: one of the I assume one of the highlights of 426 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: your career. 427 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 428 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:26,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, if it wasn't for that catch, you know when 429 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,679 Speaker 3: people ask me about it, I just I'm known for 430 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 3: one catch basically, that's but but yeah, So to rewind that, 431 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 3: going back to that first morning, the warm up morning, 432 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 3: they were just going about our going about our business there, definitely, 433 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 3: but then we could tell that there was a bit 434 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 3: of a kerfuffle going on over to where the Aussies 435 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 3: were warming up, and so we looked over and we 436 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 3: could sort of see a huddle, and then words started 437 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 3: to filter that that Glennard sort of injured himself and 438 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 3: we could we could see that it was him on 439 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 3: the floor, and so yeah, so that sort of took 440 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 3: a lot of people's sort of mindset away from what 441 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,120 Speaker 3: was going on and thinking what's going on over there, 442 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 3: And then word came out that he stood on the board, 443 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 3: it injured himself and he's not going to play in that, 444 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 3: and you. 445 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 2: Know, then Ricky put us into bat. 446 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 3: You know, we go on to score four hundred and 447 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 3: really set that Test match up. And you talked about 448 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 3: our mindset and that that we made a real effort 449 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 3: from the start of that summer to stand toe to 450 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 3: toe with the Aussies, and you know, we had two 451 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 3: one day series leading up to that Test match and 452 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 3: we had a T twenty, first ever T twenty between 453 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 3: the two sides, and in each of those matches we 454 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 3: did that and we got confidence from it and we 455 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 3: we realized that we could take them on and we 456 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 3: weren't going to take a backward step. 457 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 2: And so that was our bit of a theme for 458 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 2: the summer. 459 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 3: And so to to go and score four hundred on 460 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 3: that first day of that second Test Match really set 461 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 3: that up again as bounced back right. We knew we 462 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 3: had to win it. If we if we didn't win 463 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 3: Test two, that was it. His potential history is going 464 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 3: to repeat and the Aussies were we're going to run 465 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 3: away with that series. And so that was a big 466 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 3: moment scoring four hundred, and then on that last day, 467 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 3: you know, we walked out there, I think there was 468 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:19,880 Speaker 3: his need one hundred and twenty odd to win. You'd 469 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 3: a couple of wickets for us to get. You'd expect 470 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 3: it to be a bit of a done deal. And 471 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 3: I think a lot of the crowd did as well. 472 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 3: And I do remember walking out that that morning. You've 473 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 3: got the fanatics where they're you know, they wear their 474 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 3: yellow shirts, and there was. 475 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 2: A group of there. 476 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 3: O love them, yeah, but there was a group of 477 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 3: them together and they they were sort of singing the total, 478 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 3: counting it down, and I remember walking out they started 479 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 3: singing the singing and that sort of just resonated, Oh 480 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 3: that doesn't quite sit right. I don't like just and 481 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 3: then of course as it got lower and lower and lower, 482 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,919 Speaker 3: that that got louder. There was a few things happened 483 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 3: which there's a bit of byplay between me and them. 484 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 3: I think Harmony bold one which hit the footholes down 485 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 3: legs side and it bounced over my head and went 486 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 3: for four buys and so that so then we had 487 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 3: a bit of bie played between that, and then there's 488 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,919 Speaker 3: other you know, the way Shane Warren got out on 489 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 3: that last morning, he kicked the stumps over in incredible fashion. 490 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 3: It's just a weird, weird dismissal. So that happened. Simon 491 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 3: Jones dropped the catch down at third man. But all 492 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 3: the time Brett Lee was batting incredibly bravely, being joined 493 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 3: by Casper, and I just kept telling me, telling myself 494 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 3: when it got down to those single figures, there will 495 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 3: be another chance. It's likely to come my way. Make 496 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 3: sure you take it. And I just get that, like 497 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 3: a mantra, has just kept on each each ball, be 498 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 3: ready to be ready. And then yeah, so Harmy bowl 499 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:57,640 Speaker 3: that bouncer to Casper. And I do like the fact 500 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,199 Speaker 3: that twenty years on, the catch is embellished. It's of 501 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 3: it's spoken about as this big specky down legs side, 502 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,400 Speaker 3: but actually I'll be honest, it floated a bit off 503 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 3: the glove. And you know, I had to move a 504 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 3: bit down legs side, but that that moment is still 505 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 3: in slow motion in my mind, you know, sort of 506 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 3: seeing it hit the glove, watching it take, watching it 507 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 3: into my gloves, rolling over to then look up to 508 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 3: see Billy Bowden started putting that crooked finger up. So 509 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 3: so that moment and then the euphoria after that, I 510 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 3: made sure I went and said thank you to your support, 511 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 3: to the fanatics, and. 512 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 2: Quite an emotional thank you. 513 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 1: I was. 514 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 3: First of all, I broke through the shackles of Marcus Trascothic. 515 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 3: He tried to stop me once I got through that, 516 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 3: and then Ashley Giles had to go. So but that 517 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 3: was just because of the moment, you know, winning by 518 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 3: two runs, and that was you know, the emotion that 519 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 3: came out of me at that point was again huge 520 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 3: and so yeah, and just an incredible moment because we 521 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 3: knew we were back in the series at that point, 522 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 3: and but from them walking out to what was a 523 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 3: given thing in the morning to get that close and 524 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 3: all those emotions, it was, yeah, pretty amazing and. 525 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: Still considered one of the finest tests, which is which 526 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: is you know, an astonishing thing given the history of 527 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 1: the two nations and Test, cricket in general, and it's 528 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: also the scene of one of the well, well you're 529 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 1: giving it to the fanatics, one of the iconic photos 530 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: in cricket, a young Andrew flintoftened and Brett Lee. 531 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 4: We can you know what about that sort of moment 532 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 4: in terms of sport. 533 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, well that sort of summed it up, isn't it, 534 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:52,120 Speaker 3: with you know some Freddie up that he recognized too, 535 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 3: that the efforts of Binger put in that morning and 536 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 3: how you know he could sort of tell that how 537 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,919 Speaker 3: deflated he was, and how to get that close. You know, 538 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 3: if I flip my emotions too, as if it was 539 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,479 Speaker 3: me batting the other way, and to get that close 540 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 3: and to get out, it's oh, you'd be you know, 541 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 3: it would have been devastating. So yeah, that that picture 542 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 3: of Fred going and shaky whilst we're we're off celebrating. 543 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 2: None of us knew that was going on. And it 544 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 2: was only after the fact. 545 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 3: That we we saw that, saw that photo and seen 546 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 3: seeing what happened. And yeah, so yeah, but that that's 547 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 3: just some sort of thread up in the way he 548 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 3: would he played the played the game. 549 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 1: So the third Test, yeah, you almost get them, and 550 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 1: and and and the Aussies. Hang on, how how are 551 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 1: the emotions after that third Test? 552 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, well we it's. 553 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 3: Sort of reinforced to us that we're on the right path, 554 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 3: that we're we got close. Ricky Ponting played a stunning, 555 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 3: stunning innings and he's got one hundred and fifty six 556 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,199 Speaker 3: and again I caught I caught him for that. But 557 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 3: without that Ricky Ponting innings, we would have won that 558 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 3: Test match. And so that was probably one of the 559 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 3: best innings of an opposition player that I saw in 560 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 3: the situation. But what we also huddled at the end 561 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,679 Speaker 3: of that Test match was to look and watch the 562 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 3: Aussies celebrating a draw, which for the Australian side to 563 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 3: celebrate a draw was something which gave us a boost 564 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 3: again to get so although we would have what we 565 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 3: love to have win, won that match, just turn around 566 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 3: and see, hang on, look at the Aussies they're celebrating 567 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,400 Speaker 3: that draw. It was it was the next boost going 568 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 3: into Trent Bridge, that the fourth fourth one which sort 569 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 3: of you know, Freddie and I had a massive partnership 570 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 3: and but again the end of that Test match was 571 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 3: another epic finish. 572 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 4: Well, a couple of on that. 573 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 1: So Freddy players amazing and really signals himself as a 574 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: as a as a start of the sport. You make 575 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 1: an eighty five court and bold to Casper, I wonder 576 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 1: how that one sits within now, and. 577 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 4: Ricky pointing gets rattled, very rattled. 578 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: And Gilly talks about that, how you know Gary Pratt 579 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 1: amazing sort of fielder, and he talked, I'm going to 580 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: try and give him to Gary as well, but he 581 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: talks about how he was known as a fielder after that, 582 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 1: where he could clearly play in bat, but how to 583 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 1: find his sort of career. 584 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 4: What an amazing test it was for some reasons. 585 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was incredible. 586 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,239 Speaker 3: You know, personally, it still burns me that I've got 587 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 3: caught and bowled off an inside edge. Yeah, and so 588 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 3: so so with that that that still stings. But then 589 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 3: the finish with Gilo hitting the winning runs, Matthew Hogard 590 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 3: hitting a cover drive for four off Brettley to get 591 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 3: to that so and even me getting getting out, I 592 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 3: tried to whack warning back over his head for six 593 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 3: because it would have taken us, wouldn't have taken us 594 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 3: to single figures. 595 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 2: So so but to get. 596 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 3: Across the line and that put a two one up, 597 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 3: so that going into that final Test match where ahead, 598 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 3: we're full of confidence. We're going to the Oval, which 599 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 3: we knew was a wicket that suited us and was 600 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 3: just a good cricket wicket. 601 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 2: So yeah, we were full of. 602 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 3: Confident going into that last Test match, but we still 603 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 3: knew we had a job to do. 604 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: And of course you get there to the Oval, the 605 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: forecast didn't look great, but you battered exceptionally well. Three 606 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: hundred and seventy three for Threndred and thirty five the 607 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 1: Oss make three sixty seven but couldn't basically, you know, 608 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: the last day it's all over that they make four 609 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: runs and England win the ashes. How was the celebrations 610 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 1: over the next few days, and then I'll ask you 611 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 1: about the I suppose that the parade and I read 612 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 1: a fascinating thing about you dressed as you dressed as 613 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 1: a dartk or something like that. 614 00:29:55,600 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, mad epic is a way to to talk 615 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 3: talk about the celebrations, you know, even from from from 616 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 3: that iconic moment where the bails were lifted. We were 617 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 3: as a group in the changing rooms. The umpires had 618 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 3: given us a bit of a heads up so we 619 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 3: were as a group, all the backroom staff, all the players, 620 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 3: arms and arm and arm linked in a big circle. 621 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 3: And then when we got the knock on the door 622 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 3: just to say right, it's over, we're going to go 623 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 3: take it, that just erupted and then we got the 624 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 3: opportunity to walk down go on that victory lap. I'd 625 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 3: picked out a couple of mates that I saw saw 626 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 3: in there, so for me it was it was again 627 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 3: it was about that. 628 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 2: Even when we went out. 629 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 3: That night, to a big degree, I had some mates 630 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 3: along with me and so it's pretty incredible to think 631 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 3: back on what we did over those few days in 632 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 3: terms of you know that the bus ride going to 633 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 3: number ten and yeah, the bus ride is where there's 634 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 3: a photo, I've got a I've got an inflatable on 635 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 3: my head. You know, it's sort of quite a big one. 636 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 3: It's got Ossie's exterminated. And I did it for a 637 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 3: little while and I said, what are you doing, your wally, 638 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 3: And then the the England women were behind us in 639 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 3: the bus because they had won as well, and so 640 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,719 Speaker 3: I chucked it back to them to do it. So 641 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 3: but yeah, and then going to Trafolga Square with the 642 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 3: you know, the tens of thousands of people in there. 643 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 3: So for me, let's you know, we bring it full 644 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 3: circle to a lad that basically grew up into Womba, 645 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 3: moved moved to Brisbane from my final year of school 646 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 3: and then to be to be on that on that journey, 647 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 3: on that ride was you know, it was quite surreal, 648 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 3: and you know, it's sort of when I think about it, 649 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 3: how when people ask me about it, and then even that, 650 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 3: you know, we all got the m B s and 651 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 3: you know everyone's got views on that as well, but 652 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 3: go into the palace and to be awarded the n 653 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 3: B and so for me that it was what it was, 654 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 3: it was justification of all the hard work that I've 655 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 3: done to get into that, into that position of playing 656 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 3: international cricket and contributing and adding some values. So those 657 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 3: few days of enjoyment were sort of justification for all 658 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 3: that sort of dedication I've done. 659 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 1: Well, look, I think we've we've been a minute left, 660 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 1: so I'll say thank you so much for joining the podcast. 661 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 1: It's been brilliant to go back to three your career, 662 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: through that amazing series itself and get some regulations. I 663 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 1: will ask with about forty four seconds ago how much 664 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 1: you're looking forward to this series coming up, and from. 665 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 2: You, yeah, oh, they're really looking forward to it. 666 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 3: It's I think the England side of obviously going over 667 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 3: with mindset of pace and sort of going to hit 668 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 3: the Aussies with a full pace attack. And then with 669 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 3: the bat you've seen the bas ball stuff that, you know, 670 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 3: being aggressive and I think they've learned to play bassball better. 671 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 3: So with Australia, I think Australia's I'm sure Minus getting 672 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 3: his three hundreds recently is obviously put him in the frame, 673 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 3: but then you've lost your skipper for that first test. 674 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 3: So I'm going to nudget towards England and I think 675 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 3: it could be an epic series.