WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 17 June

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<v Speaker 1>From the sky in Center. This is Paul Murray Live.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Sharry. Yeah, okay, we've got to talk about it,

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<v Speaker 2>Trump dump and albow. Oh so much disappointment from the media,

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<v Speaker 2>like the media reaction fed inkem oh. Yeah, we'll rub

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<v Speaker 2>their nose at it tonight, making friends by the hour.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank goodness you're watching. We're also going to talk obviously

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<v Speaker 2>about the events that are taking place in Iran. In

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<v Speaker 2>Israel right now, you've got that feeling knowne something massive

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<v Speaker 2>just around the corner. The sun's just come up in Washington, DC,

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<v Speaker 2>where the President and his war cabinet are currently apparently

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<v Speaker 2>behind closed doors. The Great Nigel Ferras joins us, the

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<v Speaker 2>man who may well be the next Prime Minister of

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<v Speaker 2>the UK, powering on in the polls, one of his

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<v Speaker 2>stops on the way to the number ten every Tuesday night,

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<v Speaker 2>Paul Murray Live.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll get to all of that in a moment or

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<v Speaker 2>two time. But there is something that I want to

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<v Speaker 2>put at the very start of the show, because this

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<v Speaker 2>person deserves it. I want us all, the poor us

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<v Speaker 2>for a second. I want us all to lean in

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<v Speaker 2>and I want us all to understand the sacrifice of

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<v Speaker 2>a single police officer in Tasmania that I mentioned last

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<v Speaker 2>night who was murdered, we now know his name. It

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<v Speaker 2>has been released today that the name of the officer

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<v Speaker 2>who was a twenty five year veteran of the Tasmanian

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<v Speaker 2>Police Force the shooting that of course took place in

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<v Speaker 2>the northern parts of the state yesterday is Constable Keith

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<v Speaker 2>Anthony Smith. Let us take a moment when yes, there

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<v Speaker 2>are other things happening in the world, to honor his service,

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<v Speaker 2>to know his name, to see his face, because Constable

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<v Speaker 2>Keith Anthony Smith is a man who, as I said,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five years in the Tasmanian Police service. The Tasmanian

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<v Speaker 2>Police Commissioner, upon the releasing of his name after the

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<v Speaker 2>family gave mission, said that Keith was a respected and

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<v Speaker 2>committed officer. His loss will be deeply felt across our

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<v Speaker 2>policing family and the wider community.

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<v Speaker 1>Well said.

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<v Speaker 2>Further from a statement from Tasmania Police today, they've continued

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<v Speaker 2>to say that the Commissioner says of this officer, of

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<v Speaker 2>Keith Anthony Smith, that he was regarded and admired by

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<v Speaker 2>his colleagues. She said that Constable Smith had a distinguished

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<v Speaker 2>career and received the Commissioner's Medal in two thousand and

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<v Speaker 2>eleven and a twenty year Clasp for service in the

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<v Speaker 2>Tasmanian Police Service in twenty twenty one, as well as

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<v Speaker 2>a National Police Service Medal for his fifteen years of

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<v Speaker 2>service in two thousand and sixteen. Constable Smith joined the

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<v Speaker 2>police force in September two thousand and sadly, yesterday, while

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<v Speaker 2>carrying out what is very familiar task, which is the

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<v Speaker 2>serving of papers upon a person, he was shot at.

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<v Speaker 1>He was killed, his family forever.

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<v Speaker 2>Broken, the wider policing family that we support on this show,

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<v Speaker 2>because every single day, that is what they are gambling with.

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<v Speaker 2>Every single day they are gambling with their lives to

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<v Speaker 2>protect us.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know there's a lot of other.

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<v Speaker 2>News around, a lot of other noise to talk about,

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<v Speaker 2>and a lot of stuff that we will deal with shortly,

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<v Speaker 2>but let us as a nation have as our lead

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<v Speaker 2>story tonight the face and the name of a man

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<v Speaker 2>who has been taken while serving his community. The Tasmanian

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<v Speaker 2>Premier Jeremy Rothcliffe spoke along with several other dignitaries today

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<v Speaker 2>about this exceptional Tasmanian and very special Australian who is

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<v Speaker 2>no longer with us.

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<v Speaker 3>Tasmania Police is just not a service, as the Commissioner

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<v Speaker 3>said last night, it is indeed a family, and when.

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<v Speaker 1>One of their own.

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<v Speaker 4>Is injured or falls, there is a ripple.

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<v Speaker 3>Right throughout the entire Tasmania Police service, through every rank

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<v Speaker 3>and every station. To every serving police man and woman

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<v Speaker 3>who knew and served alongside your friend and colleague, the

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<v Speaker 3>love and the support of our entire state of Tasmania

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<v Speaker 3>is with you.

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<v Speaker 2>The twenty ninth of September each and every year is

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<v Speaker 2>Police Remembrance Day. It is a day for those to

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<v Speaker 2>be remembered who were killed doing their job protecting us.

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<v Speaker 2>In the next couple of weeks there will be a

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<v Speaker 2>Police Legacy Day as well, a reminder of what these

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<v Speaker 2>people put on the line, what their families deal with

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<v Speaker 2>as a constant worry. Strength and love to his family,

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<v Speaker 2>the wider policing family, and of course the community of Tasmania.

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<v Speaker 2>The rest of the country is well and truly with you.

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<v Speaker 2>All right to the other stuff that's around today that

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<v Speaker 2>has dominated our news. And forgive me if I have

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of fun with this, As you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump, Anthony Abernezi will they won't they well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the plan was that they were going to meet. Why

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<v Speaker 2>because Trump was at the G seven in Canada and

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<v Speaker 2>now bus Albo was at the G seven in Canberra.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry in Canada, and the.

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<v Speaker 2>Media have been absolutely salib salivating the capacity to look

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<v Speaker 2>into the body language to judge whether this was a

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<v Speaker 2>good or positive important meeting, whether they were going to

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<v Speaker 2>get proof of Orange man Bad and the pump up.

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<v Speaker 2>The pump up's been going for a while, including an

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<v Speaker 2>editorial that Canada was a good middle ground for Alberanzi

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<v Speaker 2>and Trump to meet, as if we were in a

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<v Speaker 2>war with the United States. What an absurd thing for

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<v Speaker 2>people to start building up the scales of this thing,

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<v Speaker 2>same paper, same people. We decided to send a flock

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<v Speaker 2>of people to report on this one that this was

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<v Speaker 2>the most important meeting of Alberanize's Korea and when they

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<v Speaker 2>thought a meeting was going to be happening tomorrow. Listen

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<v Speaker 2>to the questions that were being asked of our Prime

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<v Speaker 2>minister as if literally he was meeting a country we've

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<v Speaker 2>been at war with for twenty years.

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<v Speaker 1>Have a listened to how pumped up they are?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it unreasonable where you're going to conquered outcome to Morland,

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<v Speaker 2>said that you would have extended an invite to mister

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<v Speaker 2>Trump and to come to Australia. I was just wondering

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<v Speaker 2>if you've unheard back from that.

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<v Speaker 5>Is that something you've found on raising.

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<v Speaker 6>Intact you because it is highly unlikely that Australia will

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<v Speaker 6>be able to get the US to move on at

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<v Speaker 6>least the ten percent taris.

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<v Speaker 2>The Trump meeting is one of the final things on

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<v Speaker 2>President Trump's agenda of before the rush.

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<v Speaker 7>So are you concerned at all that you'll get your

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<v Speaker 7>whole full time slot.

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<v Speaker 8>Within following tomorrow's meeting?

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<v Speaker 5>When do you foresee that you'll likely meet and at the.

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<v Speaker 2>Next This was dreams come true. There was fears that

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<v Speaker 2>it would happen behind the scenes, so they were doing

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<v Speaker 2>everything they possibly could to make sure that the cameras

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<v Speaker 2>would be let in. No such tension around the president

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<v Speaker 2>of China. No, no, no, no, Because Orange Man bad

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<v Speaker 2>equals click click click click click click in a country

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<v Speaker 2>where you are the majority people don't like Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm completely aware of this, all right, But the stakes,

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<v Speaker 2>the stakes, the steaks. Well, as you know, Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 2>has got bigger things to do than stick around the

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<v Speaker 2>G seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Now before we start to.

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<v Speaker 2>Think that this means Australia has been insulted or flushed

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<v Speaker 2>down the tourt, no reality is there'll be a meeting

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<v Speaker 2>at some other point in time. But the very same

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<v Speaker 2>people who were talking about the most important meeting of

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<v Speaker 2>the prime minister's career, well they told finally the truth,

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<v Speaker 2>as finally Australia was dealt with in a manner that

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<v Speaker 2>you would think at a meeting of G seven where

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<v Speaker 2>we are not part of the main seven nations and

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<v Speaker 2>where they're to tag along its where part of the

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<v Speaker 2>global community. But we don't have any strong positions on

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<v Speaker 2>anything bar mid zero actually happening in the global community,

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<v Speaker 2>because you see, we're going to work both sides of

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<v Speaker 2>the fence here, don't we. You know, we've got to

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<v Speaker 2>have a go at Donald Trump. But of course America

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<v Speaker 2>important for our defense. President g Oh, we couldn't possibly

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<v Speaker 2>mention the wigas we couldn't do what the Americans have done,

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<v Speaker 2>which is to say slave labor that is making solar

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<v Speaker 2>panels in China should not be allowed and we will

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<v Speaker 2>not buy that product. Well no, but because that is

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<v Speaker 2>with the other great goal, which of course the renewable

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<v Speaker 2>energy sector. Shne, don't talk about it, don't talk about it,

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<v Speaker 2>but we will hold people to account and we will

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<v Speaker 2>talk about Australia's values. Well, yeah, Australia got a reality

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<v Speaker 2>check because Australia has chosen to sit back, and particularly

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<v Speaker 2>sit back during the Trump presidency. Whether you like the

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<v Speaker 2>presidency or not, four fifths are bugger all. And there

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<v Speaker 2>was a time there was a window for Australia to

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<v Speaker 2>get the beginnings of a relationship and it was when

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<v Speaker 2>everyone from CEOs to world leaders were talking to Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was the months between when he won the

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<v Speaker 2>presidency in the first Tuesday in November, all of November,

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<v Speaker 2>all of December and all the way into the twentieth

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<v Speaker 2>of January, when they could have met with him in

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<v Speaker 2>Mara Lago. It wasn't like he was allergic to Australian.

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<v Speaker 2>Scott Morrison literally spent New Year's Eve with him. But

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<v Speaker 2>because of course there was an election coming an Orange

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<v Speaker 2>Man bad and we've already set up that everything terrible

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<v Speaker 2>in the economy is going to be Donald Trump's fault.

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<v Speaker 2>Despite the fact that the Treasury itself has promised us

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<v Speaker 2>or predicted nothing but budget deficits for the next forty

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<v Speaker 2>four zero years, A trillion dollars of dead that becomes

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<v Speaker 2>one point two one point five, one point seven.

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<v Speaker 1>And imagine, imagine when we start to push.

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<v Speaker 2>Towards two trillion dollars if we can't crack a budget's

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<v Speaker 2>surplace between now and the twenty sixties. But I must

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<v Speaker 2>say the one little detail. And again, if you're actually

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<v Speaker 2>paying attention, you've heard what I've said. I hope they

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<v Speaker 2>have a meeting. I hope there's an opportunity while he's

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<v Speaker 2>in North America to somehow get his way towards the

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<v Speaker 2>White House, have a chat in the next couple of days.

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<v Speaker 2>Presumably the President would be feeling bad about bailing on

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<v Speaker 2>the conversation, so they're eventually going to have a meeting.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, the only reason the reporters were

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<v Speaker 2>hoping he'd be invited to Australia is because they want

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<v Speaker 2>to cover the outrage that people would have if he

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<v Speaker 2>came to Australia. Understandably, they salivate. Why because this is

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<v Speaker 2>the chance to pull on the big boy pants. This

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<v Speaker 2>is when global affairs and you and I both know

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<v Speaker 2>that Australian prime ministers once they become a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>too fixated on global affairs. They're not focused on the

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<v Speaker 2>home game. So again, if you're paying very close attention

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<v Speaker 2>to what I'm actually saying, the Prime Minister, who I

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<v Speaker 2>hope has a meeting, has a good relationship, hasn't fallen

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<v Speaker 2>completely in for the overseas stuff yet because he knows. Firstly,

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<v Speaker 2>airbus elbow is going to come back and become a

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<v Speaker 2>unique name for him, one that he will deserve because

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<v Speaker 2>of the trotting all around the globe.

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<v Speaker 1>But right now, the air.

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<v Speaker 2>Bus side, it'll have a few deflated egos coming back,

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<v Speaker 2>including the journos talking to the Prime minister, who's going

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about You know, I would have said really

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<v Speaker 2>mean things to him. Sources close to the Prime Minister say,

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<v Speaker 2>but can we can we just drink in one little detail,

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<v Speaker 2>one little detail for those of us that are not

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<v Speaker 2>fans of Albo, who do not believe that he should

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<v Speaker 2>and will rule.

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<v Speaker 1>For the rest of our natural lives.

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<v Speaker 2>From the Australian Financial Review and our good friend Phil Curry,

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<v Speaker 2>Fox News reported that Trump dined with the G seven

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<v Speaker 2>leaders in Canada and then immediately left for Washington, Australia,

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<v Speaker 2>which is not a member of the G seven was

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<v Speaker 2>not invited to attend the dinner. So sorry, mate's there's

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<v Speaker 2>only seven. There's only seven seats we could possibly have

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<v Speaker 2>around this table. I know there's a few extra prime ministers,

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<v Speaker 2>and I know they have to sit at.

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<v Speaker 1>The kids table somewhere else.

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<v Speaker 2>Albanezi was instead invited to a function with the heads

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<v Speaker 2>of other nations such as South Korea and Mexico.

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<v Speaker 1>You tell it, you're telling me.

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<v Speaker 2>In all the function centers where the G seven is

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<v Speaker 2>playing out right now, they couldn't get a little extended

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<v Speaker 2>table to get another three, four or five ten leaders

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<v Speaker 2>in there, to get Zelenski into the room, or were

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<v Speaker 2>they afraid that big bad Orange man was going to

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<v Speaker 2>yell at him again again? Straight I love I love

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that on the brink of what feels at

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<v Speaker 2>times like not quite World War three but on its way,

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<v Speaker 2>that's playing out in other parts of the world, that

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<v Speaker 2>we live in this wonderful island, and thankfully we are

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<v Speaker 2>below the radar in terms of a lot of people's attention.

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<v Speaker 2>I liked that there was a little reminder of that,

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<v Speaker 2>and I take, frankly a little bit of strength from that.

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<v Speaker 2>But the people that have been obsessing and pumping up

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<v Speaker 2>and carrying on about Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump in

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<v Speaker 2>all of it, they will of course be very disappointed.

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<v Speaker 2>But again I hope there's a meeting. He's in North America.

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<v Speaker 2>Presumably there's an IAU. I hope it happens sooner rather

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<v Speaker 2>than later. And guess what world under whoever broke is it?

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<v Speaker 2>But the media will just not get what they really want,

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<v Speaker 2>which is to talk about Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>All day, every day.

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<v Speaker 2>And a little later in the show, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>show you some examples about how remember how you spun

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<v Speaker 2>the ball for elbow through the election, I'll show how

0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:03.640
<v Speaker 2>they spin the ball when it comes to Trump and

0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:06.079
<v Speaker 2>not quite the reality of what's been happening in the

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<v Speaker 2>United States. Like or dislike Donald Trump, and I know

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<v Speaker 2>where the majority of Australia is. But at least we

0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:16.160
<v Speaker 2>can laugh at these people every now and then. Something,

0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:18.280
<v Speaker 2>of course, much more serious is what is playing out

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<v Speaker 2>right now as missral's have flown from Israel to Iran.

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<v Speaker 1>The damage in Iran.

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<v Speaker 2>Is difficult for people to see because of obviously it's

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<v Speaker 2>not an open country when it comes to media. The

0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:32.120
<v Speaker 2>missiles that are being fired back from Iran to Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>The damage is more visible in Israel because there is

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<v Speaker 2>a much more international media that is based there and

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<v Speaker 2>can see what is taking place. Before we talk about who,

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<v Speaker 2>what and where of global affairs, can we focus in

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<v Speaker 2>on the Australians that are caught in the middle of

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<v Speaker 2>all of this. There are hundreds of people who are stuck,

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<v Speaker 2>cannot leave Israel, cannot leave Iran. Now I have heard

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<v Speaker 2>a few sort of whispers around why were they.

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<v Speaker 1>There, Well, I'll give you the tips.

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<v Speaker 2>Some were visiting their families. Okay, Now again, it is

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<v Speaker 2>not a crime to go to either of these countries,

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<v Speaker 2>and they have every right to be safe in those countries.

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<v Speaker 2>But for obvious reasons, when the airspace is locked off,

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<v Speaker 2>no one's moving anywhere, which means even more people are

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<v Speaker 2>worried about Australians who are in those areas, as well

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<v Speaker 2>as the people whom they were visiting in those areas,

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<v Speaker 2>who we may know back here in Australia. Apparently it's

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<v Speaker 2>the best part of six hundred and fifty people. Three

0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:31.480
<v Speaker 2>hundred Australians have advised the Department of Foreign Affairs and

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<v Speaker 2>Trade of their desire to leave Israel. There are three

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifty Australians who would like to do the

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<v Speaker 2>same from Iran. Again together, six hundred and fifty Australians

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<v Speaker 2>in a region and they want to get out and

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<v Speaker 2>get out quick. One of those people actually spoke to

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<v Speaker 2>our colleagues during the day here on Sky News and

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<v Speaker 2>you can imagine if you were in his shoes, you

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<v Speaker 2>would want the fastest passage out. But for obvious reasons,

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<v Speaker 2>if you can't get a plane out and the airport's

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<v Speaker 2>are shut down, you are stuck in a war zone.

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<v Speaker 9>You have a lot of Australian citizens that came here

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<v Speaker 9>and got stuck here. At the time Australia did an

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<v Speaker 9>evacuation flights for Australian citizens. We hope that would be

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<v Speaker 9>the case here as well. We're thinking about maybe taking

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<v Speaker 9>a boat to Cyprus and maybe try to fly from there.

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<v Speaker 9>None of those options are straightforward, they're all complex, and

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<v Speaker 9>I would say that is where the main source of

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<v Speaker 9>our concern, which is how we're going to be able

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<v Speaker 9>to take to take off and actually reach Australia as

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<v Speaker 9>we planned.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, As I say, the sunny is starting to

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<v Speaker 2>come up in Washington, d C. And apparently, according to

0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:34.960
<v Speaker 2>the President Donald Trump's public comments is that he's on

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<v Speaker 2>his way towards meetings in the situation room. Now, let's

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<v Speaker 2>of course focus on what he has said publicly via

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<v Speaker 2>truth social and in the same way that he had

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<v Speaker 2>previously warned people in and around Iran to get themselves

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<v Speaker 2>safe because the Israeli rockets were going to start taking

0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:54.080
<v Speaker 2>out those military targets. You know what he had to

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<v Speaker 2>say today, basically put simply, if you're in ta Iran,

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<v Speaker 2>get out of the way, get out of dodge. Now

0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:05.760
<v Speaker 2>ten million people live in the capital city Tehran in Iran,

0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:08.640
<v Speaker 2>which means it is virtually impossible for all of those

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<v Speaker 2>people to get out before whatever is about to happen

0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:15.200
<v Speaker 2>is about to happen. But the traffic jams, every single road,

0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:20.879
<v Speaker 2>every single bridge, every single way out currently clogged even egalized.

0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:22.600
<v Speaker 2>As you can see, there're some peoples trying to drive

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<v Speaker 2>on the other side of the road white because they

0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:26.639
<v Speaker 2>think something big is on its way. If it is,

0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:29.919
<v Speaker 2>we'll all find out together. Obviously, the hit hits that

0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:34.000
<v Speaker 2>have been taken by the Iranian regime means that now

0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:36.800
<v Speaker 2>they are trying to talk to American media to say, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>now we're.

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<v Speaker 1>Willing to deal.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, you've had sixty days, you've had sixty months, You've

0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:46.160
<v Speaker 2>had a long time to deal with this. But their

0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:49.119
<v Speaker 2>own petulance, their own support when it comes to terrorism,

0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:53.520
<v Speaker 2>their own proxy wars around the Middle East, means no

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<v Speaker 2>more talking. So we will all learn together what happens.

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<v Speaker 2>You have heard what America does is kind of going

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<v Speaker 2>to matter here because, put simply, there's lots of things

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<v Speaker 2>that are obvious from the sky that Israel is trying

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<v Speaker 2>to hit to try to stop Iran's capacity for a

0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:15.720
<v Speaker 2>nuclear weapon or to keep firing missiles into Israel. But

0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:19.720
<v Speaker 2>also there is a mountain. There is a mountain where

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<v Speaker 2>much of the really serious stuff that around has been

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<v Speaker 2>putting forward is being worked on, and it's about one

0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:29.959
<v Speaker 2>hundred meters under ground inside this mountain. We understand there

0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:32.600
<v Speaker 2>is nothing that the Israelis have that would be able

0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:37.120
<v Speaker 2>to bust that bunker. But the United States has that technology.

0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:41.800
<v Speaker 2>Remember the Mother of All bombs, basically one degree below

0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:47.760
<v Speaker 2>a nuke, but something with absolute devastating power, something that

0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:50.879
<v Speaker 2>you could drop once, twice, three times and start to

0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:57.679
<v Speaker 2>bore your way through a mountain. Obviously, Israel would like

0:18:57.840 --> 0:19:01.280
<v Speaker 2>the United States to get involved. The United States is

0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:04.520
<v Speaker 2>weighing up as we speak at this minute, whether they

0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:07.640
<v Speaker 2>are going to give that bomb over, because then it's

0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:10.520
<v Speaker 2>not handing and helping weapons for Israel, it is they

0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:14.159
<v Speaker 2>are in the fight. And after the twenty years of

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<v Speaker 2>Iraq and the twenty years of Afghanistan, what happens after

0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:20.600
<v Speaker 2>you drop the mother of all bombs is what they

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<v Speaker 2>are debating. And in terms of the coalition of Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 2>and as I've mentioned to you before, so that the

0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:34.479
<v Speaker 2>wars within wars in Republican politics, both old school and

0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:38.520
<v Speaker 2>maga new school, there are two very different opinions about

0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:39.800
<v Speaker 2>whether America.

0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:40.640
<v Speaker 1>Should take that step.

0:19:41.359 --> 0:19:45.359
<v Speaker 2>Old school Republicans who have always wanted to wipe out

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<v Speaker 2>Iran's ability to attack Israel, like Senator Lindsay Graham, say yeah,

0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:52.359
<v Speaker 2>let's do it now.

0:19:53.840 --> 0:19:57.520
<v Speaker 10>Be all in President Trump in helping Israel eliminate the

0:19:57.600 --> 0:20:01.040
<v Speaker 10>nuclear threat. If we need to provide bombs to Israel,

0:20:01.119 --> 0:20:03.840
<v Speaker 10>provide bombs, if we need to fly planes with Israel,

0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:05.720
<v Speaker 10>do joint operations.

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<v Speaker 2>But then the newer forms of media, the more maggari bits, well,

0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:12.000
<v Speaker 2>they don't want it at all because one of the

0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:15.280
<v Speaker 2>reasons they jumped onto the Trump train was the No

0:20:15.400 --> 0:20:18.840
<v Speaker 2>More Forever Wars. It's not just about dropping the mother

0:20:18.880 --> 0:20:21.399
<v Speaker 2>of war bombs one, two three, it's about what happens after.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you get drawn into regime change? Are you going

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<v Speaker 2>to be there for a long period of time.

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<v Speaker 1>Two of them got.

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<v Speaker 2>Together today to send a pretty obvious public message, hoping

0:20:30.640 --> 0:20:32.040
<v Speaker 2>that the President would hear them.

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Bannon and Tucker Carlson, I'm.

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<v Speaker 8>Really afraid that my country's going to be further weakened

0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:41.719
<v Speaker 8>by this. I think we're going to see the end

0:20:41.720 --> 0:20:45.320
<v Speaker 8>of American empire. Obviously other nations would like to see that,

0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:48.000
<v Speaker 8>and this is a perfect way to scuttle the USS

0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:50.880
<v Speaker 8>America on the rules of Iran. But it's also going

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<v Speaker 8>to end I believe, Trump's presidency and effectively under it.

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<v Speaker 8>So there's a whole other question, which is how prepared

0:20:56.480 --> 0:20:59.040
<v Speaker 8>is the US military for a real conflict? And the

0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:01.200
<v Speaker 8>answer is totally unprepared, scary.

0:21:00.920 --> 0:21:05.879
<v Speaker 2>Unprepared now because people know that at certain points of time,

0:21:06.240 --> 0:21:08.440
<v Speaker 2>Tucker Carson's been pretty close to Donald Trump. Remember he

0:21:08.520 --> 0:21:11.560
<v Speaker 2>was literally sitting next to him, well certainly in the

0:21:11.600 --> 0:21:15.720
<v Speaker 2>same diace in and around the Republican Convention. He apparently

0:21:15.800 --> 0:21:17.760
<v Speaker 2>was one of the key figures that convinced him to

0:21:17.840 --> 0:21:20.920
<v Speaker 2>go with JD. Vance as the vice presidential candidate and

0:21:20.960 --> 0:21:23.960
<v Speaker 2>the eventual vice president. So we can't pretend he's so

0:21:24.080 --> 0:21:25.840
<v Speaker 2>far out he's not part of the circle. He has

0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:28.320
<v Speaker 2>been part of the circle. But judging by Donald Trump's

0:21:28.320 --> 0:21:31.080
<v Speaker 2>public comments in Canada before he bug it off today

0:21:32.600 --> 0:21:37.600
<v Speaker 2>he's telling Tucker thanks, don't care. I don't know what

0:21:37.680 --> 0:21:40.280
<v Speaker 2>Tucker Carlson is saying. Let him go get a television

0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:43.159
<v Speaker 2>network and say it so that people listen. Thank you.

0:21:45.160 --> 0:21:47.399
<v Speaker 2>All right, now, let's also deal with the matters to

0:21:47.440 --> 0:21:51.720
<v Speaker 2>do with defense involving China and Australia. As you know,

0:21:51.760 --> 0:21:54.160
<v Speaker 2>there have been plenty of warships that have been circling

0:21:54.160 --> 0:21:57.520
<v Speaker 2>our country. Some have been well known, but they don't

0:21:57.520 --> 0:22:01.080
<v Speaker 2>tell us anything about others who have done live fire exercises.

0:22:01.119 --> 0:22:05.240
<v Speaker 2>Are exposed by pilots, commercial pilots who are flying between

0:22:05.240 --> 0:22:08.960
<v Speaker 2>Australia and New Zealand. Well, seemingly the government or the

0:22:09.040 --> 0:22:11.040
<v Speaker 2>very least the Australian Defense Force wants to get out

0:22:11.040 --> 0:22:13.879
<v Speaker 2>in front of this because according to the Daily Telegraph today,

0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:17.800
<v Speaker 2>there are more Chinese warships on the way to Australia. Now,

0:22:17.840 --> 0:22:19.879
<v Speaker 2>obviously they'll play the game where they'll just be a

0:22:19.880 --> 0:22:24.240
<v Speaker 2>couple of kilometers outside of technically Australia's waters, there'll be

0:22:24.280 --> 0:22:28.040
<v Speaker 2>in international waters, which means we can't say or do anything,

0:22:29.000 --> 0:22:31.399
<v Speaker 2>but we know that that is not a good sign.

0:22:32.000 --> 0:22:34.560
<v Speaker 1>Here is the ADF warning us about it today.

0:22:36.080 --> 0:22:39.960
<v Speaker 11>As an expanding bluewater navy, we should expect the Chinese

0:22:40.080 --> 0:22:44.680
<v Speaker 11>Navy to undertake similar deployments more regularly to the Southwest

0:22:44.720 --> 0:22:46.800
<v Speaker 11>Pacific and Indian Ocean.

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<v Speaker 2>And something not as significant is anything I've just mentioned,

0:22:51.720 --> 0:22:54.399
<v Speaker 2>but something that every single Australian is going to be

0:22:54.400 --> 0:22:58.720
<v Speaker 2>aware of. It's winter, but we are hearing that it

0:22:58.800 --> 0:23:01.600
<v Speaker 2>is going to be particular kularly cold in the next

0:23:01.600 --> 0:23:05.320
<v Speaker 2>twenty four hours. So yes, in certain cities it feels

0:23:05.400 --> 0:23:07.200
<v Speaker 2>like you look at that jacket, No it's not cold

0:23:07.280 --> 0:23:09.520
<v Speaker 2>enough blue of that jumper. No we don't need that.

0:23:09.640 --> 0:23:11.640
<v Speaker 2>And then yes, you get blasted during the day. We'll

0:23:11.640 --> 0:23:15.040
<v Speaker 2>here's the heads up. Massive parts of Australia are going

0:23:15.080 --> 0:23:18.399
<v Speaker 2>to go cop it tomorrow morning. All of the technical reasons. Well,

0:23:18.880 --> 0:23:20.560
<v Speaker 2>that's why we've got sky News Weather.

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<v Speaker 7>Under the clear sky across New South Wales. It is

0:23:24.640 --> 0:23:26.879
<v Speaker 7>going to be a very chilly Indeed, most areas in

0:23:26.920 --> 0:23:31.080
<v Speaker 7>that Navy Blue dropping below five degrees, significant frost pushing

0:23:31.320 --> 0:23:34.800
<v Speaker 7>very close to the coast, including around Sydney. The bitterly

0:23:34.880 --> 0:23:38.119
<v Speaker 7>cold weather I'm giving way to widespread frost tanting the

0:23:38.200 --> 0:23:41.640
<v Speaker 7>risk of severe frost over Victoria's northern country and northeast

0:23:41.680 --> 0:23:45.320
<v Speaker 7>weather is a frost warning, so definitely rug up again.

0:23:45.400 --> 0:23:47.000
<v Speaker 7>A difficult warning to get out of bed.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, quick break.

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<v Speaker 2>Plenty more to talk about, plenty more to debate. Nigel

0:23:51.280 --> 0:23:55.000
<v Speaker 2>Farage on the show tonight, a future British Prime minister,

0:23:55.920 --> 0:23:58.359
<v Speaker 2>that's what the Poles are telling us before that. Plenty

0:23:58.400 --> 0:24:00.480
<v Speaker 2>to talk about, including You're going to see some fun

0:24:00.480 --> 0:24:02.760
<v Speaker 2>which is an awesome grandpa doing awesome things. And a

0:24:02.840 --> 0:24:06.120
<v Speaker 2>debate about Australia on the world stage and who lost

0:24:06.160 --> 0:24:09.399
<v Speaker 2>the most out of no meeting between Trump and Elbow

0:24:09.920 --> 0:24:11.800
<v Speaker 2>at the G seven where we had to sit at

0:24:11.800 --> 0:24:19.080
<v Speaker 2>the kids tape war. It's one of the.

0:24:19.040 --> 0:24:20.080
<v Speaker 1>Joys of this time of year.

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<v Speaker 2>Of of course winter A little heads up if you

0:24:22.640 --> 0:24:27.200
<v Speaker 2>have the opportunity to get anywhere near things like an observatory,

0:24:27.480 --> 0:24:29.199
<v Speaker 2>one of the cool things that they put on in

0:24:29.240 --> 0:24:32.119
<v Speaker 2>and around the Winter Solstice is stuff that's going to

0:24:32.119 --> 0:24:34.520
<v Speaker 2>be happening this weekend. Of course, it is caused in

0:24:34.560 --> 0:24:38.320
<v Speaker 2>and around the Earth's orbit. The winter solstice shortest day

0:24:38.520 --> 0:24:41.040
<v Speaker 2>of the year, longest night of the year. I eat

0:24:41.080 --> 0:24:43.399
<v Speaker 2>one of the great ones to look up on the

0:24:43.440 --> 0:24:46.320
<v Speaker 2>twenty first, that being on Saturday. So a little heads

0:24:46.359 --> 0:24:48.720
<v Speaker 2>up if you planning to do something nice and fun

0:24:49.160 --> 0:24:53.479
<v Speaker 2>look up on Saturday. Certainly you can look at your

0:24:53.480 --> 0:24:57.359
<v Speaker 2>TV right now because the celestial figures that are the

0:24:57.400 --> 0:24:59.879
<v Speaker 2>wonderful James Ashby and Linda Scotti here and they're going

0:24:59.920 --> 0:25:02.240
<v Speaker 2>to agree on everything because ones labor to their birdstraps,

0:25:02.240 --> 0:25:04.280
<v Speaker 2>and ones from one nation, ones in the man came

0:25:04.359 --> 0:25:06.280
<v Speaker 2>nice and warm, and ones out in the stockyards.

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<v Speaker 12>Where are you, James my gingin tonight beyond the little town.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just to the south of me, so it is

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<v Speaker 4>a bit cool. I'm looking out. There's clouds tonight, no stars.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, good stuff, all right.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's talk about Australia on the world stage now

0:25:20.800 --> 0:25:24.480
<v Speaker 2>again for those that are half listening, here's the deal, right, Australia,

0:25:24.920 --> 0:25:28.359
<v Speaker 2>the Australian media got a reality check right. The meeting

0:25:28.400 --> 0:25:31.040
<v Speaker 2>is of the G seven and they are so addicted

0:25:31.080 --> 0:25:33.280
<v Speaker 2>to the club of the G seven that all of

0:25:33.320 --> 0:25:36.440
<v Speaker 2>the other world leaders, who you know represent significant countries

0:25:36.480 --> 0:25:38.840
<v Speaker 2>around the world, they were all at the kid's table, right,

0:25:39.040 --> 0:25:41.560
<v Speaker 2>They weren't allowed to have dinner with you know, the

0:25:41.640 --> 0:25:45.400
<v Speaker 2>mummies and daddy's running the big countries. And of course

0:25:45.400 --> 0:25:48.280
<v Speaker 2>we know that because of yes, a global event which

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<v Speaker 2>looks like we'll know a lot more about in the

0:25:49.800 --> 0:25:51.880
<v Speaker 2>next twenty four hours, there is not this meeting that's

0:25:51.880 --> 0:25:54.960
<v Speaker 2>going to take place between Albinizi and Trump. And again,

0:25:55.160 --> 0:25:57.200
<v Speaker 2>if you're half listening, I say this to the people

0:25:57.240 --> 0:25:59.639
<v Speaker 2>that spend all their time looking for a reason to

0:25:59.640 --> 0:26:02.159
<v Speaker 2>build the caricature of me in sky News and all

0:26:02.160 --> 0:26:03.840
<v Speaker 2>the rest of it. Right again, I want there to

0:26:03.880 --> 0:26:05.640
<v Speaker 2>be a meeting. I hope that you can get one

0:26:05.880 --> 0:26:08.160
<v Speaker 2>on the way down you're in North America. They can

0:26:08.160 --> 0:26:10.920
<v Speaker 2>work out something into the future, right fine, I want

0:26:10.920 --> 0:26:13.359
<v Speaker 2>great relationships, right because I think America should be at

0:26:13.359 --> 0:26:15.400
<v Speaker 2>the head of the table, not China. Just a crazy,

0:26:15.480 --> 0:26:18.800
<v Speaker 2>crazy ideas, right, I can tell the difference. But James,

0:26:18.800 --> 0:26:21.080
<v Speaker 2>what does it say about Australia on the world stage

0:26:21.119 --> 0:26:24.639
<v Speaker 2>that firstly we're at the kids table with not insignificant countries.

0:26:25.640 --> 0:26:28.920
<v Speaker 2>But the media, the media just it was their chance

0:26:28.960 --> 0:26:31.040
<v Speaker 2>to get close to Orange Man. Now I saw this

0:26:31.119 --> 0:26:33.200
<v Speaker 2>with my own eyes when I was lucky enough to

0:26:33.440 --> 0:26:36.040
<v Speaker 2>go see it all. And they just clamor and because

0:26:36.280 --> 0:26:39.480
<v Speaker 2>he lives in their head and they write him into

0:26:39.480 --> 0:26:41.360
<v Speaker 2>an Australian election and all the rest of it. It's

0:26:41.400 --> 0:26:44.119
<v Speaker 2>the media that are more disappointed than the Prime minister.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, but don't play this down.

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<v Speaker 12>I think it is a kick in the guts to

0:26:50.320 --> 0:26:52.439
<v Speaker 12>Albin Easy and I think that Labor are trying to

0:26:52.480 --> 0:26:55.560
<v Speaker 12>downplay this. Let's not forget Zelenski, who was supposed to

0:26:55.600 --> 0:26:58.280
<v Speaker 12>meet with him on the sidelines of this G seven meeting.

0:26:58.800 --> 0:27:02.240
<v Speaker 12>He's already met with him several times. Modi's met with

0:27:02.359 --> 0:27:05.080
<v Speaker 12>him several times face to face. Who hasn't met with him,

0:27:05.240 --> 0:27:08.399
<v Speaker 12>Anthony Albnezi. But you can't go around slagging off the

0:27:08.480 --> 0:27:11.400
<v Speaker 12>leader of the free world, the president of the United States,

0:27:12.000 --> 0:27:14.520
<v Speaker 12>both in an election cycle and then on the other

0:27:14.600 --> 0:27:16.560
<v Speaker 12>side of it. Just at the press club last week,

0:27:16.600 --> 0:27:20.800
<v Speaker 12>what was he doing again slagging off the president saying

0:27:20.800 --> 0:27:23.280
<v Speaker 12>that you know they won the ninety four seats at

0:27:23.320 --> 0:27:25.720
<v Speaker 12>this most recent election because of the fact that they

0:27:25.720 --> 0:27:30.880
<v Speaker 12>didn't import different tactics from other countries.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, we know what that meant.

0:27:32.600 --> 0:27:38.119
<v Speaker 12>You called Peter Dutton the TIMU Trump throughout the election campaign. Sorry,

0:27:38.119 --> 0:27:41.159
<v Speaker 12>but you can't slag off the president and expect a

0:27:41.240 --> 0:27:44.399
<v Speaker 12>sideline meeting. I never expected this to happen. We're a

0:27:44.400 --> 0:27:46.199
<v Speaker 12>guest at the G seven. We're not part of it.

0:27:46.359 --> 0:27:48.960
<v Speaker 12>We're part of the G twenty. So look, it was

0:27:49.000 --> 0:27:52.760
<v Speaker 12>inevitable that, you know, if anything went down, Trump was

0:27:52.800 --> 0:27:53.359
<v Speaker 12>going to bail.

0:27:53.440 --> 0:27:54.520
<v Speaker 4>He's done exactly that.

0:27:54.600 --> 0:27:56.480
<v Speaker 12>It is egg on the face of this Prime minister,

0:27:56.760 --> 0:27:59.679
<v Speaker 12>who really doesn't have a great relationship. America does have

0:27:59.720 --> 0:28:02.920
<v Speaker 12>a good relationship with Australia. The difference is Trump doesn't

0:28:02.920 --> 0:28:04.520
<v Speaker 12>have a good relationship with Albanezy.

0:28:04.760 --> 0:28:07.480
<v Speaker 2>Fair point Jim Chalmers for his point, understandably because she

0:28:07.560 --> 0:28:10.240
<v Speaker 2>doesn't want to upset the Apple card because those numbers

0:28:10.280 --> 0:28:13.600
<v Speaker 2>that might eventually come his way in sixty five years

0:28:13.680 --> 0:28:16.920
<v Speaker 2>when the chairman decides to one day step down, well,

0:28:16.960 --> 0:28:19.800
<v Speaker 2>he of course is running cover for the Prime minister today.

0:28:20.600 --> 0:28:24.280
<v Speaker 13>This was always a chance of happening. Given what's happening

0:28:24.280 --> 0:28:27.680
<v Speaker 13>around the world and particularly in the Middle East. Prime

0:28:27.680 --> 0:28:31.560
<v Speaker 13>Minister Albanze has had three conversations with President Trump in

0:28:31.680 --> 0:28:35.760
<v Speaker 13>recent months, will continue to engage in the usual way.

0:28:35.800 --> 0:28:38.000
<v Speaker 13>But I don't think it's especially surprising. I do think

0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:38.920
<v Speaker 13>it's understandable.

0:28:39.800 --> 0:28:42.000
<v Speaker 2>So Linda, I'm looking, I've been waiting for this all day.

0:28:42.200 --> 0:28:44.920
<v Speaker 2>How is this technically a win for Albany?

0:28:45.000 --> 0:28:45.160
<v Speaker 10>Is he?

0:28:45.680 --> 0:28:45.840
<v Speaker 2>Well?

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's really sad that James is playing pretty

0:28:48.720 --> 0:28:51.120
<v Speaker 5>loose with the truth tonight. As the Treasurer has said,

0:28:51.200 --> 0:28:54.440
<v Speaker 5>three conversations with the US President. Already as the chair

0:28:54.480 --> 0:28:57.720
<v Speaker 5>of an Australian industry superannuation fund, I went to the

0:28:57.840 --> 0:29:01.280
<v Speaker 5>US and met with a Secretary Best and Secretary Latnik,

0:29:01.320 --> 0:29:04.720
<v Speaker 5>with the Australian Ambassador to the US, Kevin rad I

0:29:04.840 --> 0:29:09.280
<v Speaker 5>was over there. We needs there's been extensive meetings between

0:29:09.360 --> 0:29:14.120
<v Speaker 5>the current US administration and Australian business figures and the

0:29:14.160 --> 0:29:17.760
<v Speaker 5>Australian government. Other than that.

0:29:17.760 --> 0:29:18.480
<v Speaker 4>Is not true.

0:29:19.520 --> 0:29:21.840
<v Speaker 5>Well, you know, I don't know if you know, James,

0:29:21.840 --> 0:29:24.520
<v Speaker 5>but government works not just surrounded by one person, but

0:29:24.560 --> 0:29:28.840
<v Speaker 5>actually there's representatives and that that really.

0:29:29.840 --> 0:29:30.720
<v Speaker 2>A different.

0:29:32.000 --> 0:29:34.200
<v Speaker 4>To you and me wanting to meet with you as well.

0:29:34.080 --> 0:29:38.000
<v Speaker 5>And on multiple occasions, as the Treasurer spelt out really

0:29:38.040 --> 0:29:41.880
<v Speaker 5>clearly today, what's going to be important for Australians is

0:29:41.920 --> 0:29:45.440
<v Speaker 5>that we have a good open conversation about the bill

0:29:45.600 --> 0:29:49.960
<v Speaker 5>before the US Parliament. And that's about tariffs. It's about taxes,

0:29:50.080 --> 0:29:53.720
<v Speaker 5>and these are really important conversations. But it's not going

0:29:53.760 --> 0:29:56.640
<v Speaker 5>to hinge on one conversation. It's going to hinge on

0:29:57.080 --> 0:30:00.840
<v Speaker 5>the opposition, on the minor parties step up and speaking

0:30:00.880 --> 0:30:04.760
<v Speaker 5>out in Australia's interests too, not criticizing the Prime Minister

0:30:04.880 --> 0:30:08.440
<v Speaker 5>and undermining the national effort to get the best I

0:30:08.480 --> 0:30:11.160
<v Speaker 5>love the Australians and Australian companies. So what I don't

0:30:11.200 --> 0:30:15.200
<v Speaker 5>want to hear people bigger, nonfan Ausralian I mean so

0:30:15.280 --> 0:30:15.960
<v Speaker 5>than I am right.

0:30:15.960 --> 0:30:17.760
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't whack him harder and longer and all the

0:30:17.800 --> 0:30:19.960
<v Speaker 2>rest of it. Right, And as I just said, I

0:30:19.960 --> 0:30:22.960
<v Speaker 2>hope there's a meaning. I hope it happens because interpersonal

0:30:22.960 --> 0:30:25.880
<v Speaker 2>relationships clearly are on matters right, Prime Minister.

0:30:25.720 --> 0:30:29.200
<v Speaker 5>Leader, size Foreign affairs right, let's not undermine the Australian

0:30:29.240 --> 0:30:30.160
<v Speaker 5>government's efforts.

0:30:30.160 --> 0:30:32.920
<v Speaker 2>Whoever that, I'll be honest, I'm more obsessed with the media.

0:30:33.360 --> 0:30:36.720
<v Speaker 2>Who built this thing, the most important meeting of his.

0:30:36.920 --> 0:30:38.880
<v Speaker 1>Career, of his entire life.

0:30:39.440 --> 0:30:42.680
<v Speaker 2>No that's rubbish, right, And I love the same people

0:30:42.680 --> 0:30:46.520
<v Speaker 2>that were pumpty pump, pump, pump pump. Those tiets are

0:30:46.560 --> 0:30:48.000
<v Speaker 2>the ones that had to turn around and say we've

0:30:48.040 --> 0:30:50.080
<v Speaker 2>been reminded of our place in the world today. Yeah,

0:30:50.120 --> 0:30:54.600
<v Speaker 2>so has the media. But does that surprise anyway? No, wonder.

0:30:54.640 --> 0:30:56.960
<v Speaker 2>I do get many Christmas cards from my colleagues in

0:30:57.000 --> 0:30:57.880
<v Speaker 2>and around the business.

0:30:57.960 --> 0:30:59.720
<v Speaker 1>All right, well, I mean for you, not for them.

0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:05.200
<v Speaker 2>Right, Let's talk about your previous long standing love local government, Linda.

0:31:05.560 --> 0:31:10.840
<v Speaker 2>You're ongoing James. That is councils and tone deaf councils.

0:31:10.880 --> 0:31:13.680
<v Speaker 2>Northern Beaches Council are in Sydney, right, they whack up

0:31:13.920 --> 0:31:14.600
<v Speaker 2>twenty five.

0:31:14.400 --> 0:31:16.280
<v Speaker 1>Percent increase in their rates.

0:31:16.400 --> 0:31:21.840
<v Speaker 2>Locals are a furious, right, protests carrying on agro understandably

0:31:21.960 --> 0:31:25.719
<v Speaker 2>right because like every other council, what about the pothole?

0:31:25.720 --> 0:31:27.840
<v Speaker 2>What about this? Why are you're paying this person all

0:31:27.840 --> 0:31:28.360
<v Speaker 2>of that stuff?

0:31:28.440 --> 0:31:28.640
<v Speaker 1>Right?

0:31:29.400 --> 0:31:32.280
<v Speaker 14>That said, again, if you're paying attention to the detail,

0:31:32.520 --> 0:31:34.760
<v Speaker 14>and Linda has taught us the lesson over many many

0:31:34.840 --> 0:31:37.800
<v Speaker 14>years that yeah, there's probably not as much money directly

0:31:37.800 --> 0:31:41.560
<v Speaker 14>from government. The trickles to local government, but the same

0:31:41.680 --> 0:31:44.120
<v Speaker 14>council decides I know, you know, we've got to talk

0:31:44.160 --> 0:31:45.600
<v Speaker 14>about at a meeting here, we've got to have a

0:31:45.640 --> 0:31:46.560
<v Speaker 14>chat about gaza.

0:31:46.920 --> 0:31:51.720
<v Speaker 2>It's the northern Beaches of Sydney. Okay, again perfect example

0:31:51.880 --> 0:31:57.120
<v Speaker 2>where Linda again eyes on the prize right, the idea

0:31:57.160 --> 0:31:59.160
<v Speaker 2>that just because I've got a microphone I must speak

0:31:59.160 --> 0:32:02.680
<v Speaker 2>into it about this issue that clearly does not affect

0:32:02.800 --> 0:32:04.200
<v Speaker 2>the Northern Beaches of Sydney.

0:32:04.760 --> 0:32:07.560
<v Speaker 5>Thoughts, look, a couple of issues. The meeting is still

0:32:07.600 --> 0:32:09.960
<v Speaker 5>happening tonight in the Northern Beaches, so we don't know

0:32:10.000 --> 0:32:13.280
<v Speaker 5>which of these resolutions have passed. There is one before

0:32:13.320 --> 0:32:16.640
<v Speaker 5>the council on gaza, and there is another one on raids.

0:32:16.720 --> 0:32:20.120
<v Speaker 5>The council has several new counselors because of course the

0:32:20.160 --> 0:32:23.480
<v Speaker 5>Liberal Party forgot to lodge their nominations, and some of

0:32:23.480 --> 0:32:27.120
<v Speaker 5>them tonight are in tears as they're speaking about the

0:32:27.240 --> 0:32:31.280
<v Speaker 5>difficulty and the aggression that they've received in the lobbying

0:32:31.400 --> 0:32:34.440
<v Speaker 5>around these issues. They have had people like ricesters out

0:32:34.480 --> 0:32:39.400
<v Speaker 5>the front, and for particularly new counselors who are new

0:32:39.440 --> 0:32:42.360
<v Speaker 5>to politics, often they're getting paid very little money. This

0:32:42.480 --> 0:32:44.760
<v Speaker 5>is a really tricky issue. So I just do say,

0:32:45.120 --> 0:32:48.680
<v Speaker 5>with understanding and respect for whatever political group he comes from.

0:32:48.920 --> 0:32:51.600
<v Speaker 5>You know, be nice to your local councilors. It's a

0:32:51.600 --> 0:32:52.080
<v Speaker 5>tough gig.

0:32:52.120 --> 0:32:54.640
<v Speaker 2>I did it one hundred percent. But actions reactions right,

0:32:54.760 --> 0:32:56.520
<v Speaker 2>You don't get to have it both ways, which is

0:32:56.560 --> 0:32:58.640
<v Speaker 2>to jack up rates and then expect no one to

0:32:58.640 --> 0:32:59.680
<v Speaker 2>blow up about the council.

0:33:01.120 --> 0:33:03.479
<v Speaker 5>The council has applied for an increase in their rates

0:33:03.520 --> 0:33:06.400
<v Speaker 5>and the new South Wales Government structure I part did

0:33:06.440 --> 0:33:09.520
<v Speaker 5>not grant them permission for the full increase. So what

0:33:09.560 --> 0:33:12.520
<v Speaker 5>they've been granted is permission for a twenty five percent

0:33:13.200 --> 0:33:15.960
<v Speaker 5>over four years. And James, just to give you the

0:33:16.000 --> 0:33:18.960
<v Speaker 5>context and the truth about this, that will cover the

0:33:19.000 --> 0:33:23.120
<v Speaker 5>maintenance backlog. It will not cover new projects. It will

0:33:23.120 --> 0:33:27.160
<v Speaker 5>not cover major projects. So for example, it won't cover things.

0:33:26.960 --> 0:33:31.400
<v Speaker 12>Like mark you got to run a line through so

0:33:31.480 --> 0:33:36.360
<v Speaker 12>many rainbow.

0:33:36.480 --> 0:33:41.800
<v Speaker 5>It won't an upgrade to the lower Ringer Center, beloved Pool.

0:33:41.880 --> 0:33:44.760
<v Speaker 5>It won't cover things that really matter to the Northern

0:33:44.800 --> 0:33:47.560
<v Speaker 5>Beaches communities. Now these are tricky decisions, but the council

0:33:47.640 --> 0:33:51.040
<v Speaker 5>has not been given permission to increase rates to a

0:33:51.120 --> 0:33:54.440
<v Speaker 5>level that they have modeled and budgeted transparently before their

0:33:54.440 --> 0:33:57.880
<v Speaker 5>community to cover some of these major projects. It will

0:33:57.920 --> 0:34:02.240
<v Speaker 5>only cover renewal and maintenance of their existing asset base.

0:34:02.360 --> 0:34:07.040
<v Speaker 5>This is not an unfamiliar position for Australia's five hundred

0:34:07.040 --> 0:34:08.120
<v Speaker 5>and thirty seven they.

0:34:08.000 --> 0:34:11.320
<v Speaker 2>Pay a landscape for seventy three thousand dollars.

0:34:11.360 --> 0:34:14.279
<v Speaker 5>Councils in the country here, and we've said this many

0:34:14.360 --> 0:34:19.920
<v Speaker 5>times before. Paul councils get half a percent of Commonwealth

0:34:20.120 --> 0:34:25.520
<v Speaker 5>taxation revenue and they're expected to run libraries, pools, community centers,

0:34:25.719 --> 0:34:29.520
<v Speaker 5>roads in the regions, no one's utilities, almost all the

0:34:29.560 --> 0:34:34.759
<v Speaker 5>additional emergency services. So this is scifice, significant and tough

0:34:34.760 --> 0:34:35.520
<v Speaker 5>disease and you.

0:34:35.520 --> 0:34:39.920
<v Speaker 2>Know, particularly country means I get it at But but right, okay, James,

0:34:40.040 --> 0:34:41.440
<v Speaker 2>I know you sort of are you sitting down and

0:34:41.520 --> 0:34:44.920
<v Speaker 2>you're just crouching right, Because how's this Northern Beaches Council

0:34:44.920 --> 0:34:47.200
<v Speaker 2>that's going to increase its rates on its ratepays of

0:34:47.239 --> 0:34:53.480
<v Speaker 2>twenty five percent is currently advertising for a tree assessment officer.

0:34:53.880 --> 0:34:55.960
<v Speaker 2>They will be paid as much as one hundred and

0:34:55.960 --> 0:34:59.960
<v Speaker 2>four thousand dollars to be a tree assessment officer.

0:35:01.320 --> 0:35:02.120
<v Speaker 1>That's my point.

0:35:02.200 --> 0:35:07.120
<v Speaker 12>This is where this is where you should be able

0:35:07.160 --> 0:35:10.520
<v Speaker 12>to have arborists in a professional setting that have got

0:35:10.560 --> 0:35:13.680
<v Speaker 12>the approval from counsel to say, oh listen, that tree's

0:35:13.680 --> 0:35:15.840
<v Speaker 12>got to come out. It's got white ants in it,

0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:18.160
<v Speaker 12>or it's a risk to houses, or it's a risk.

0:35:17.960 --> 0:35:18.799
<v Speaker 4>To a school.

0:35:19.200 --> 0:35:22.160
<v Speaker 12>Why put somebody on in the council when somebody else

0:35:22.200 --> 0:35:23.760
<v Speaker 12>can be doing it in the private sector.

0:35:23.760 --> 0:35:26.520
<v Speaker 4>It's unnecessary. We see this all the time though.

0:35:26.480 --> 0:35:29.520
<v Speaker 12>And to be quite honest, I would love to get

0:35:29.600 --> 0:35:31.759
<v Speaker 12>rid of counselors all together. All they are is an

0:35:31.800 --> 0:35:35.560
<v Speaker 12>extension of state government. They are not constitutionally recognized. At

0:35:35.600 --> 0:35:37.480
<v Speaker 12>the end of the day, the CEOs get paid the

0:35:37.480 --> 0:35:39.839
<v Speaker 12>big bucks. Why is that because most of the time

0:35:39.920 --> 0:35:43.640
<v Speaker 12>the councilors are guided from those behind them, the bureaucrats,

0:35:43.920 --> 0:35:47.080
<v Speaker 12>so just the tick and flick people. Ultimately, they're costing

0:35:47.120 --> 0:35:50.399
<v Speaker 12>us here in Queensland a stack of money, way more

0:35:50.400 --> 0:35:52.920
<v Speaker 12>than any other state. Some work hard for their money,

0:35:52.920 --> 0:35:55.200
<v Speaker 12>but the majority of them don't. I know in Livingston

0:35:55.239 --> 0:35:58.200
<v Speaker 12>they've only got to turn up to two days a month.

0:35:57.960 --> 0:36:03.960
<v Speaker 5>With over never running the local government. That's a position

0:36:04.080 --> 0:36:07.279
<v Speaker 5>that your party goals. I hope you just absolutely rule

0:36:07.280 --> 0:36:09.920
<v Speaker 5>out ever running representatives for local government because you do

0:36:09.960 --> 0:36:10.879
<v Speaker 5>at the moment.

0:36:12.280 --> 0:36:13.120
<v Speaker 4>That you have to.

0:36:13.280 --> 0:36:16.000
<v Speaker 5>Run elected representatives. What level of government you think you

0:36:16.000 --> 0:36:19.239
<v Speaker 5>should be abolished. That's just so devastating to hear.

0:36:19.640 --> 0:36:22.480
<v Speaker 4>But what will show me where the benefits most? Trust

0:36:22.520 --> 0:36:23.000
<v Speaker 4>the level of.

0:36:24.640 --> 0:36:30.400
<v Speaker 5>Research after repet slowly in regional Australia, absolutely depend on

0:36:30.440 --> 0:36:34.719
<v Speaker 5>their council services and support, James. They can't do without it.

0:36:34.800 --> 0:36:35.239
<v Speaker 1>What would you.

0:36:36.680 --> 0:36:40.360
<v Speaker 12>Supporting the libraries, the pools, the roads. I want you

0:36:40.440 --> 0:36:42.319
<v Speaker 12>to pick up the beans, all those things. I love

0:36:42.360 --> 0:36:42.920
<v Speaker 12>all that stuff.

0:36:43.000 --> 0:36:45.840
<v Speaker 5>Right, you just said that level of government should be abolished, James,

0:36:45.840 --> 0:36:46.839
<v Speaker 5>So just commit.

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<v Speaker 4>To running counselors. Scrap the counselors, get rid of the councilors.

0:36:53.040 --> 0:36:53.840
<v Speaker 4>They're not necessary.

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<v Speaker 5>So you think democratic, James? Do you think you should

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<v Speaker 5>be run by bureaucrats? Is that what you're I think.

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<v Speaker 12>The communities are not listened to because the community is saying,

0:37:04.440 --> 0:37:07.160
<v Speaker 12>don't increase our rates by twenty five percent. That council

0:37:07.239 --> 0:37:08.960
<v Speaker 12>was aiming for forty percent by the way, it was

0:37:09.040 --> 0:37:11.600
<v Speaker 12>knocked back and now they're going for twenty five And the.

0:37:11.560 --> 0:37:13.359
<v Speaker 4>Community is saying, don't raise our rates.

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<v Speaker 12>What is the counselors doing ignoring them because they're going

0:37:17.239 --> 0:37:19.919
<v Speaker 12>to pass it anyway. So what's the point of having

0:37:20.000 --> 0:37:21.880
<v Speaker 12>counselors when they don't listen to people.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, now, just quickly here about other people's money again,

0:37:27.080 --> 0:37:29.160
<v Speaker 2>reporting around about top public servants.

0:37:29.200 --> 0:37:30.840
<v Speaker 1>Now, by the way they get away.

0:37:30.600 --> 0:37:32.560
<v Speaker 2>With this, right, Firstly, a lot of these top public

0:37:32.600 --> 0:37:37.320
<v Speaker 2>servants pay more than the ministers of the who's in

0:37:37.440 --> 0:37:41.320
<v Speaker 2>charge technically of their departments. Right, but every time so

0:37:41.440 --> 0:37:43.920
<v Speaker 2>there's sort of the MP pay rises. Top public servants

0:37:43.920 --> 0:37:46.080
<v Speaker 2>get it as well. All of the flights, all of

0:37:46.080 --> 0:37:48.759
<v Speaker 2>the travels, and we hear about some pretty luxury stuff

0:37:48.800 --> 0:37:54.120
<v Speaker 2>that's happening at the front end of the corners planes. Linda, again,

0:37:54.320 --> 0:37:58.319
<v Speaker 2>I understand busy people and busy people with lots of

0:37:58.320 --> 0:37:59.960
<v Speaker 2>meetings and all the rest of it, and air traveling

0:38:00.200 --> 0:38:03.319
<v Speaker 2>different than going on I get, I get right, But

0:38:03.440 --> 0:38:07.480
<v Speaker 2>at what point should the public servant who's already being

0:38:07.520 --> 0:38:11.399
<v Speaker 2>paid more than the politician not get the politician perk

0:38:11.480 --> 0:38:12.640
<v Speaker 2>when it comes to travel.

0:38:13.600 --> 0:38:16.759
<v Speaker 5>Well, look, I'm not a member of the Quantus chairman's land.

0:38:16.880 --> 0:38:19.960
<v Speaker 5>Let me disclose that. And I do fly a little

0:38:19.960 --> 0:38:22.000
<v Speaker 5>bit for work for the boards that I'm on, and

0:38:22.040 --> 0:38:25.120
<v Speaker 5>I do it with many airlines, and you know, all

0:38:25.160 --> 0:38:28.160
<v Speaker 5>of my organizations have great policies about this to make

0:38:28.200 --> 0:38:30.960
<v Speaker 5>sure we're going with the best price and the best

0:38:31.080 --> 0:38:34.560
<v Speaker 5>you know, and some of these companies and some of

0:38:34.600 --> 0:38:37.920
<v Speaker 5>them are government boards. But look, I do think people

0:38:37.920 --> 0:38:40.920
<v Speaker 5>are right to ask questions about this and shine a

0:38:40.920 --> 0:38:42.960
<v Speaker 5>bit of a light on it, because I too do

0:38:43.000 --> 0:38:46.560
<v Speaker 5>feel pretty uncomfortable where you don't have kind of publicly

0:38:46.600 --> 0:38:51.760
<v Speaker 5>disclosed gift registers. I didn't know that these public servants

0:38:51.760 --> 0:38:54.080
<v Speaker 5>were eligible, you know, or being invited to join the

0:38:54.160 --> 0:38:56.759
<v Speaker 5>Quantus Club. That's a matter for the Quantus Club themselves.

0:38:56.800 --> 0:39:00.040
<v Speaker 5>But I do think probity and integrity and government and

0:39:00.080 --> 0:39:04.040
<v Speaker 5>transparencies is really critical. I mean, I still think it's

0:39:04.080 --> 0:39:09.200
<v Speaker 5>the case that federal parliamentarians of all different persuasions continue

0:39:09.239 --> 0:39:12.680
<v Speaker 5>to accept their invitation to the Quantus glob So I'll

0:39:12.880 --> 0:39:14.880
<v Speaker 5>add that on top. I'm not sure there should be

0:39:14.920 --> 0:39:17.439
<v Speaker 5>a different rule for people who work and people who

0:39:17.760 --> 0:39:21.480
<v Speaker 5>are elected. But you know, this is a scheme that' said,

0:39:21.480 --> 0:39:24.919
<v Speaker 5>the invitation of Quantus, and it's caused much controversy over

0:39:25.000 --> 0:39:25.600
<v Speaker 5>many years.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, thank you guys, still appreciate it, Love you both.

0:39:28.040 --> 0:39:30.200
<v Speaker 2>Nija Farras standing by, But I just want to take

0:39:30.360 --> 0:39:33.600
<v Speaker 2>a moment because I was at a funeral today for

0:39:33.640 --> 0:39:36.560
<v Speaker 2>the father of one of my best mates and favorite

0:39:36.560 --> 0:39:39.360
<v Speaker 2>people in the world, My beautiful friend Penny.

0:39:40.080 --> 0:39:43.000
<v Speaker 1>Her father Joe, passed away just a few days ago.

0:39:43.239 --> 0:39:44.319
<v Speaker 1>What a cad this bloke.

0:39:44.680 --> 0:39:47.719
<v Speaker 2>Look at this bloke all right now, Joe Gossen, beautiful

0:39:47.760 --> 0:39:51.160
<v Speaker 2>man right, and he loved watching sky News. He loved

0:39:51.200 --> 0:39:53.759
<v Speaker 2>watching sky News. He was all in on politics. He

0:39:53.880 --> 0:39:57.440
<v Speaker 2>was so proud that he was part of the debate.

0:39:57.760 --> 0:40:00.640
<v Speaker 2>He came to Australia from Lebanon in nineteen seventy, following

0:40:00.880 --> 0:40:05.560
<v Speaker 2>his brother George. He eventually met Violet, his queen. He

0:40:05.680 --> 0:40:10.359
<v Speaker 2>had three beautiful children in Fred, Penny and Monique. He

0:40:10.400 --> 0:40:14.640
<v Speaker 2>loved the Cronella Sharks, he loved V eight supercars, Fords,

0:40:15.280 --> 0:40:16.960
<v Speaker 2>and as I said, he loved sky News. And he

0:40:17.000 --> 0:40:21.160
<v Speaker 2>was relentlessly kind to me. His service was beautiful. His

0:40:21.200 --> 0:40:24.440
<v Speaker 2>family is a testament to his awesomeness. And he is

0:40:24.480 --> 0:40:27.880
<v Speaker 2>the exact type of Australian who we are poor and

0:40:27.920 --> 0:40:29.480
<v Speaker 2>not to have. Joe.

0:40:29.520 --> 0:40:33.040
<v Speaker 1>We love you, We miss you, violent hugs and love forever.

0:40:33.560 --> 0:40:36.680
<v Speaker 2>You've got an incredible family and it was an honor

0:40:36.840 --> 0:40:40.440
<v Speaker 2>to farewell a very loyal part of the Sky News family.

0:40:40.480 --> 0:40:41.680
<v Speaker 1>Today, not.

0:40:46.719 --> 0:40:51.880
<v Speaker 15>In time for the man who's never boring, the leader

0:40:51.960 --> 0:40:53.719
<v Speaker 15>of the Reform Party in the UK, and if the

0:40:53.719 --> 0:40:56.080
<v Speaker 15>polls are right, the next Prime Minister of the United Kingdom,

0:40:56.160 --> 0:40:57.920
<v Speaker 15>Nigel Ferraj Love it is, see you mate, how you.

0:40:57.920 --> 0:41:03.600
<v Speaker 6>Been good to see you, very well, thank you. Politics

0:41:03.719 --> 0:41:07.080
<v Speaker 6>very real here, grooming gangs dominating everything.

0:41:07.000 --> 0:41:09.640
<v Speaker 2>Which of course, this is a story way back when

0:41:09.880 --> 0:41:12.440
<v Speaker 2>about when local councils wouldn't go there, wouldn't touch it,

0:41:12.440 --> 0:41:15.719
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't talk about it for fear of offending the parts

0:41:15.760 --> 0:41:18.640
<v Speaker 2>of the Muslim community. Ki Starmer was back there as

0:41:18.680 --> 0:41:20.960
<v Speaker 2>the Chief Prosecutor and sort of involved in some of

0:41:20.960 --> 0:41:26.080
<v Speaker 2>the light touch responses. You single handedly were able to

0:41:26.080 --> 0:41:29.839
<v Speaker 2>bring it back to national attention. Force force force this

0:41:30.040 --> 0:41:32.560
<v Speaker 2>to become an issue, so much so that there's going

0:41:32.600 --> 0:41:35.880
<v Speaker 2>to be the proper inquiry. Now there's basically no limits,

0:41:36.040 --> 0:41:39.200
<v Speaker 2>no stone unturned, and we're going to know who looked

0:41:39.280 --> 0:41:42.440
<v Speaker 2>the other way.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, that's the plan, absolutely, And Keir Starmer having initially

0:41:46.760 --> 0:41:50.120
<v Speaker 6>said that anybody that wanted a full judicial inquiry with

0:41:50.280 --> 0:41:53.600
<v Speaker 6>powers was giving a dog whissel to the far right.

0:41:53.640 --> 0:41:57.680
<v Speaker 6>I mean, gosh, they are so repositive these people now

0:41:57.719 --> 0:42:00.960
<v Speaker 6>forced into the term we're told the inquiry could take

0:42:01.040 --> 0:42:03.840
<v Speaker 6>up to three years, which I think is rather longer

0:42:04.320 --> 0:42:06.319
<v Speaker 6>that any of us would want, and we've yet to

0:42:06.440 --> 0:42:09.680
<v Speaker 6>know who the judge or the head of the inquiry is.

0:42:09.760 --> 0:42:12.640
<v Speaker 6>So it's a step in the right direction. We must

0:42:12.680 --> 0:42:16.000
<v Speaker 6>not let them riggle out of doing this properly. Social

0:42:16.040 --> 0:42:18.799
<v Speaker 6>Services turned a blind day. Please turn the blind day.

0:42:19.400 --> 0:42:22.800
<v Speaker 6>Politicians turned the blind day, and frankly, it's a scandal

0:42:23.480 --> 0:42:25.800
<v Speaker 6>that I think is looked upon with the rest of

0:42:25.840 --> 0:42:27.879
<v Speaker 6>the world as a real badge of shame for the UK.

0:42:28.800 --> 0:42:31.719
<v Speaker 2>Now let's turn our attention to the dominant news around

0:42:31.760 --> 0:42:33.319
<v Speaker 2>the world right now is that we do not know

0:42:33.360 --> 0:42:35.239
<v Speaker 2>what is just around the corner when it comes to

0:42:35.680 --> 0:42:39.680
<v Speaker 2>will the United States give the technology that means we

0:42:39.719 --> 0:42:41.440
<v Speaker 2>can go to the whole next level here when it

0:42:41.480 --> 0:42:44.080
<v Speaker 2>comes to trying to make sure that Iran does not

0:42:44.160 --> 0:42:48.399
<v Speaker 2>get a nuclear weapon, we know that this has been

0:42:48.440 --> 0:42:53.359
<v Speaker 2>something discussed, feared. What are the consequences? How hard metaphorically

0:42:53.400 --> 0:42:55.440
<v Speaker 2>can Iran be punched before there is this sort of

0:42:55.600 --> 0:42:58.680
<v Speaker 2>point of no return? Personally, I think that it's been

0:42:58.719 --> 0:43:01.839
<v Speaker 2>proven a few times here that maybe there was great

0:43:01.880 --> 0:43:05.000
<v Speaker 2>a fear about Iran rather than the reality of the

0:43:05.040 --> 0:43:09.239
<v Speaker 2>ability to respond. But there is a bunker that needs

0:43:09.280 --> 0:43:11.360
<v Speaker 2>to be busted, and the only people who can do

0:43:11.400 --> 0:43:13.120
<v Speaker 2>it it's going to be the Americans.

0:43:13.200 --> 0:43:13.759
<v Speaker 1>What do you think.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, look, I mean one of the things that Donald

0:43:18.520 --> 0:43:21.320
<v Speaker 6>Trump and I first bonded over was Iran policy, the

0:43:22.000 --> 0:43:27.000
<v Speaker 6>idiocy of Obama, the European Union, the British Foreign Office

0:43:27.040 --> 0:43:32.040
<v Speaker 6>and government all doing this deal, this jcpoa deal with

0:43:32.160 --> 0:43:34.000
<v Speaker 6>Iran just over a decade ago.

0:43:34.040 --> 0:43:34.680
<v Speaker 2>And what it did.

0:43:34.960 --> 0:43:37.920
<v Speaker 6>It freed up tens of billions of dollars, much of

0:43:38.000 --> 0:43:41.440
<v Speaker 6>which they used to fund Hamas the whot is his

0:43:41.560 --> 0:43:45.000
<v Speaker 6>Bulla and every terrorist group in the region. So I

0:43:45.040 --> 0:43:48.000
<v Speaker 6>think what is read of doing. I'm generally anti warpole.

0:43:48.160 --> 0:43:51.200
<v Speaker 6>I think going to war really is a last resort.

0:43:51.640 --> 0:43:54.120
<v Speaker 6>But I don't think Israel frankly, had much choice.

0:43:54.560 --> 0:43:55.440
<v Speaker 1>We do not know.

0:43:56.080 --> 0:44:00.360
<v Speaker 6>Exactly the level to which the Tance facility they've managed

0:44:00.360 --> 0:44:03.479
<v Speaker 6>to enrich uranium, but it's a pretty long way.

0:44:04.239 --> 0:44:05.359
<v Speaker 2>But what you say is right.

0:44:05.880 --> 0:44:08.759
<v Speaker 6>Whilst the above the ground facilities have been damaged, the

0:44:08.800 --> 0:44:11.880
<v Speaker 6>real work that goes on below ground has not been touched.

0:44:11.880 --> 0:44:14.000
<v Speaker 6>Over the last couple of days. Yeah, you can take

0:44:14.000 --> 0:44:15.680
<v Speaker 6>out the TV stage and all the rest of it.

0:44:16.560 --> 0:44:21.040
<v Speaker 6>My sense of this is that Trump has always thought

0:44:21.640 --> 0:44:25.280
<v Speaker 6>that Iran were potentially the really bad guys, and I

0:44:25.360 --> 0:44:29.799
<v Speaker 6>personally believe no inside info, but I personally believe he

0:44:29.840 --> 0:44:32.040
<v Speaker 6>will give Israel the ability to finish this job.

0:44:32.440 --> 0:44:36.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I get that sense, especially obviously stepping out of

0:44:36.080 --> 0:44:38.920
<v Speaker 2>the G seven basically as soon as he hit hopped

0:44:38.920 --> 0:44:41.560
<v Speaker 2>off Air Force one into the situation room. And we

0:44:41.600 --> 0:44:44.840
<v Speaker 2>know that it's a daylight right now in not just

0:44:44.880 --> 0:44:47.239
<v Speaker 2>America but the Middle East as well. And whether that's

0:44:47.320 --> 0:44:50.480
<v Speaker 2>part of the equation, we'll all find out together. By

0:44:50.480 --> 0:44:53.799
<v Speaker 2>the way, when I talk about Iran and what was

0:44:54.000 --> 0:44:57.799
<v Speaker 2>feared versus what has happened, I'm not at all downplaying

0:44:58.160 --> 0:45:02.000
<v Speaker 2>their funding of terrorism. I'm not downplaying the brutal regime,

0:45:02.040 --> 0:45:04.680
<v Speaker 2>none of that whatsoever. What I'm talking about is that obviously,

0:45:04.719 --> 0:45:08.960
<v Speaker 2>anyone having even a mild foreign poalsy conversation sees that

0:45:09.000 --> 0:45:11.240
<v Speaker 2>there's one of these red lines, right and if Israel

0:45:11.239 --> 0:45:13.680
<v Speaker 2>and Iran, and Iran and Israel, then are we at

0:45:13.719 --> 0:45:17.319
<v Speaker 2>some beginning of a point of no return. But I

0:45:17.360 --> 0:45:22.400
<v Speaker 2>think that Iran has been proven its capacity to hurt

0:45:22.440 --> 0:45:25.719
<v Speaker 2>Israel has been diminished. Remember a few months ago, when

0:45:25.760 --> 0:45:28.560
<v Speaker 2>it was a swarm of drones. Then even when they

0:45:28.560 --> 0:45:31.440
<v Speaker 2>decided to start throwing things into Tel Aviv. Yes, twenty

0:45:31.440 --> 0:45:33.799
<v Speaker 2>four people at least have died, no question. It's the

0:45:33.840 --> 0:45:36.800
<v Speaker 2>iron Dome, not the lack of missiles that was the result.

0:45:37.040 --> 0:45:40.279
<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm talking about about. This the reality of

0:45:40.400 --> 0:45:45.200
<v Speaker 2>Iran's ability. But just because it can't wipe out parts

0:45:45.360 --> 0:45:48.160
<v Speaker 2>of Israel and nobody would want that doesn't mean they

0:45:48.200 --> 0:45:51.759
<v Speaker 2>don't have a network of people and organizations who can

0:45:51.800 --> 0:45:55.080
<v Speaker 2>do real harm.

0:45:55.360 --> 0:45:58.880
<v Speaker 6>Well, yes they can, of course, but also take this

0:45:59.040 --> 0:46:02.840
<v Speaker 6>argument on. You know, Iran has had the most brutal

0:46:02.920 --> 0:46:06.600
<v Speaker 6>and I use that word advisedly, the most brutal regime

0:46:07.080 --> 0:46:11.240
<v Speaker 6>now in place for over forty years. The Persian people

0:46:11.480 --> 0:46:14.160
<v Speaker 6>have been usly suppressed and many of their best people,

0:46:14.160 --> 0:46:17.920
<v Speaker 6>of course, have left the country. I think this regime

0:46:18.120 --> 0:46:21.440
<v Speaker 6>is really, really vulnerable. I think whatever happens in the

0:46:21.520 --> 0:46:26.040
<v Speaker 6>next couple of weeks could see the overthrow of this regime.

0:46:26.560 --> 0:46:29.960
<v Speaker 6>I noticed that Elon Musk has turned starlink on in Iran,

0:46:30.320 --> 0:46:33.160
<v Speaker 6>so the opposition groups now can quite comfortably talk to

0:46:33.239 --> 0:46:35.319
<v Speaker 6>each other. I would love to see the end of

0:46:35.360 --> 0:46:39.560
<v Speaker 6>this Iranian regime and something better come in its place,

0:46:39.760 --> 0:46:42.160
<v Speaker 6>and I think if that happened within a few years,

0:46:42.480 --> 0:46:45.640
<v Speaker 6>Persians from all over the world would go back to

0:46:45.680 --> 0:46:47.400
<v Speaker 6>make it around the great country that it was.

0:46:48.000 --> 0:46:51.400
<v Speaker 2>It's all will and good for people rhetorically at a

0:46:51.440 --> 0:46:54.759
<v Speaker 2>barbeque or even on TV shows at times, to have

0:46:54.840 --> 0:46:57.759
<v Speaker 2>sort of these imaginary red lines, right. And I've got

0:46:57.760 --> 0:46:59.919
<v Speaker 2>to say, one of the things that I liked about

0:47:00.080 --> 0:47:04.280
<v Speaker 2>the Trump movement, and certainly sort of the twenty four version,

0:47:04.520 --> 0:47:07.600
<v Speaker 2>was the Forever Wars conversation, right because of the blood

0:47:07.600 --> 0:47:11.600
<v Speaker 2>and treasure around Iraq and Afghanistan. And obviously nobody wants

0:47:11.640 --> 0:47:14.040
<v Speaker 2>Iran to become the next version of those things. But

0:47:14.160 --> 0:47:17.520
<v Speaker 2>the reality is that if America has the tools and

0:47:17.600 --> 0:47:20.560
<v Speaker 2>they're at the precipice of being able to break, to

0:47:20.719 --> 0:47:23.440
<v Speaker 2>break the bad regime, well maybe those are the moments

0:47:23.480 --> 0:47:25.799
<v Speaker 2>to act. But you will have no doubt noticed some

0:47:25.920 --> 0:47:29.120
<v Speaker 2>of the fracturing that has happened in that coalition. Look,

0:47:29.120 --> 0:47:31.840
<v Speaker 2>Trump's always the center of it, and he'll survive whatever happens.

0:47:31.880 --> 0:47:36.239
<v Speaker 2>But what are your thoughts about that group that are

0:47:36.360 --> 0:47:40.960
<v Speaker 2>seemingly annoyed at any upscaling of what's happening in Iran?

0:47:42.880 --> 0:47:45.600
<v Speaker 6>Well, I mean, Steve Balen's a very good friend of mine,

0:47:45.600 --> 0:47:47.799
<v Speaker 6>but I think he's sort of almost sometimes one that

0:47:47.840 --> 0:47:50.440
<v Speaker 6>has sort of shield America from the rest of the

0:47:50.440 --> 0:47:52.839
<v Speaker 6>world in every way, which of course doesn't actually work

0:47:52.920 --> 0:47:57.200
<v Speaker 6>anyway because of the interconnections that we have globally. So yeah,

0:47:57.239 --> 0:48:00.359
<v Speaker 6>you're going to get a lot about strong Magaweg say

0:48:00.400 --> 0:48:02.719
<v Speaker 6>we shouldn't be involved in any way at all.

0:48:02.800 --> 0:48:05.280
<v Speaker 1>And look, you know, I mean, I have.

0:48:05.200 --> 0:48:08.839
<v Speaker 6>To say that Afghanistan going on for twenty years, it

0:48:08.880 --> 0:48:12.280
<v Speaker 6>was never winnable, even at the height of the British Empire.

0:48:12.400 --> 0:48:16.640
<v Speaker 6>Twice the British loss was in Afghanistan and we'd learned

0:48:16.640 --> 0:48:20.719
<v Speaker 6>nothing from it. This is different. This is different. This

0:48:20.880 --> 0:48:24.600
<v Speaker 6>is not about putting in American troops. It's not about

0:48:24.600 --> 0:48:28.200
<v Speaker 6>a massive commitment for us. This is an opportunity, a

0:48:28.320 --> 0:48:33.040
<v Speaker 6>real opportunity, to overthrow a truly brutal and evil regime

0:48:33.280 --> 0:48:35.759
<v Speaker 6>and it could happen more quickly than you think.

0:48:35.880 --> 0:48:36.480
<v Speaker 1>That's not of you.

0:48:36.719 --> 0:48:38.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Nigel, you're an incredible thought leader. Thank you so

0:48:39.040 --> 0:48:40.920
<v Speaker 2>much for your time. I love these chats set and

0:48:41.000 --> 0:48:43.440
<v Speaker 2>getting to know you even more along with everyone in

0:48:43.480 --> 0:48:44.440
<v Speaker 2>this part of the world.

0:48:44.440 --> 0:48:44.960
<v Speaker 1>Thank you mate.

0:48:45.160 --> 0:48:47.320
<v Speaker 2>Nigel for us, of course, the leader of the Reform

0:48:47.320 --> 0:48:49.080
<v Speaker 2>Party in the UK Quick break back with more here

0:48:49.080 --> 0:48:50.920
<v Speaker 2>on Paul Murray Live. Remember the only place you see

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<v Speaker 2>him as he Telly J. Say Knight's Yeah, Paul Murray Live.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems like if you want to get a tension

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<v Speaker 2>these days, obviously you take your clothes off on Instagram.

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<v Speaker 1>Not what I'm going to do, but this term is used.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot artificial intelligence, artificial intelligence, artificial intelligence, artificial intelligence,

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<v Speaker 2>artificial intelligence okay, and lots of cool things images all

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of it. The University of Technology in Sydney

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<v Speaker 2>is using it to read your thoughts. Seriously, you could

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<v Speaker 2>put on a cap and electrodes and all the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of it. I'm not going to pronounce for one second

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<v Speaker 2>what this is all called, but previously this sort of

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<v Speaker 2>technology has been used for brain conditions. The UTS team

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<v Speaker 2>is using it to read thoughts. Now they know that

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<v Speaker 2>no one's going to walk around with a cap on

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<v Speaker 2>with wires coming out of it. One of the professors

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<v Speaker 2>says that the technology would interact with devices in the

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<v Speaker 2>organmented reality, like say glasses or Big tech is already

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<v Speaker 2>working on things like earbuds that not only will be

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<v Speaker 2>able to play your favorite playlist, but be able to

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<v Speaker 2>know what you were thinking about the playlist. I hope

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<v Speaker 2>no teenage boys can this, because they're thinking about something

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<v Speaker 2>that no one wants to hear about all day.

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<v Speaker 1>Every day. When it comes to the internet, say tomorrow,