Speaker 1: From the sky in Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Sharry. Yeah, okay, we've got to talk about it,
Speaker 2: Trump dump and albow. Oh so much disappointment from the media,
Speaker 2: like the media reaction fed inkem oh. Yeah, we'll rub
Speaker 2: their nose at it tonight, making friends by the hour.
Speaker 2: Thank goodness you're watching. We're also going to talk obviously
Speaker 2: about the events that are taking place in Iran. In
Speaker 2: Israel right now, you've got that feeling knowne something massive
Speaker 2: just around the corner. The sun's just come up in Washington, DC,
Speaker 2: where the President and his war cabinet are currently apparently
Speaker 2: behind closed doors. The Great Nigel Ferras joins us, the
Speaker 2: man who may well be the next Prime Minister of
Speaker 2: the UK, powering on in the polls, one of his
Speaker 2: stops on the way to the number ten every Tuesday night,
Speaker 2: Paul Murray Live.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I'll get to all of that in a moment or
Speaker 2: two time. But there is something that I want to
Speaker 2: put at the very start of the show, because this
Speaker 2: person deserves it. I want us all, the poor us
Speaker 2: for a second. I want us all to lean in
Speaker 2: and I want us all to understand the sacrifice of
Speaker 2: a single police officer in Tasmania that I mentioned last
Speaker 2: night who was murdered, we now know his name. It
Speaker 2: has been released today that the name of the officer
Speaker 2: who was a twenty five year veteran of the Tasmanian
Speaker 2: Police Force the shooting that of course took place in
Speaker 2: the northern parts of the state yesterday is Constable Keith
Speaker 2: Anthony Smith. Let us take a moment when yes, there
Speaker 2: are other things happening in the world, to honor his service,
Speaker 2: to know his name, to see his face, because Constable
Speaker 2: Keith Anthony Smith is a man who, as I said,
Speaker 2: twenty five years in the Tasmanian Police service. The Tasmanian
Speaker 2: Police Commissioner, upon the releasing of his name after the
Speaker 2: family gave mission, said that Keith was a respected and
Speaker 2: committed officer. His loss will be deeply felt across our
Speaker 2: policing family and the wider community.
Speaker 1: Well said.
Speaker 2: Further from a statement from Tasmania Police today, they've continued
Speaker 2: to say that the Commissioner says of this officer, of
Speaker 2: Keith Anthony Smith, that he was regarded and admired by
Speaker 2: his colleagues. She said that Constable Smith had a distinguished
Speaker 2: career and received the Commissioner's Medal in two thousand and
Speaker 2: eleven and a twenty year Clasp for service in the
Speaker 2: Tasmanian Police Service in twenty twenty one, as well as
Speaker 2: a National Police Service Medal for his fifteen years of
Speaker 2: service in two thousand and sixteen. Constable Smith joined the
Speaker 2: police force in September two thousand and sadly, yesterday, while
Speaker 2: carrying out what is very familiar task, which is the
Speaker 2: serving of papers upon a person, he was shot at.
Speaker 1: He was killed, his family forever.
Speaker 2: Broken, the wider policing family that we support on this show,
Speaker 2: because every single day, that is what they are gambling with.
Speaker 2: Every single day they are gambling with their lives to
Speaker 2: protect us.
Speaker 1: And I know there's a lot of other.
Speaker 2: News around, a lot of other noise to talk about,
Speaker 2: and a lot of stuff that we will deal with shortly,
Speaker 2: but let us as a nation have as our lead
Speaker 2: story tonight the face and the name of a man
Speaker 2: who has been taken while serving his community. The Tasmanian
Speaker 2: Premier Jeremy Rothcliffe spoke along with several other dignitaries today
Speaker 2: about this exceptional Tasmanian and very special Australian who is
Speaker 2: no longer with us.
Speaker 3: Tasmania Police is just not a service, as the Commissioner
Speaker 3: said last night, it is indeed a family, and when.
Speaker 1: One of their own.
Speaker 4: Is injured or falls, there is a ripple.
Speaker 3: Right throughout the entire Tasmania Police service, through every rank
Speaker 3: and every station. To every serving police man and woman
Speaker 3: who knew and served alongside your friend and colleague, the
Speaker 3: love and the support of our entire state of Tasmania
Speaker 3: is with you.
Speaker 2: The twenty ninth of September each and every year is
Speaker 2: Police Remembrance Day. It is a day for those to
Speaker 2: be remembered who were killed doing their job protecting us.
Speaker 2: In the next couple of weeks there will be a
Speaker 2: Police Legacy Day as well, a reminder of what these
Speaker 2: people put on the line, what their families deal with
Speaker 2: as a constant worry. Strength and love to his family,
Speaker 2: the wider policing family, and of course the community of Tasmania.
Speaker 2: The rest of the country is well and truly with you.
Speaker 2: All right to the other stuff that's around today that
Speaker 2: has dominated our news. And forgive me if I have
Speaker 2: a little bit of fun with this, As you know,
Speaker 2: Donald Trump, Anthony Abernezi will they won't they well, yeah,
Speaker 2: the plan was that they were going to meet. Why
Speaker 2: because Trump was at the G seven in Canada and
Speaker 2: now bus Albo was at the G seven in Canberra.
Speaker 1: Sorry in Canada, and the.
Speaker 2: Media have been absolutely salib salivating the capacity to look
Speaker 2: into the body language to judge whether this was a
Speaker 2: good or positive important meeting, whether they were going to
Speaker 2: get proof of Orange man Bad and the pump up.
Speaker 2: The pump up's been going for a while, including an
Speaker 2: editorial that Canada was a good middle ground for Alberanzi
Speaker 2: and Trump to meet, as if we were in a
Speaker 2: war with the United States. What an absurd thing for
Speaker 2: people to start building up the scales of this thing,
Speaker 2: same paper, same people. We decided to send a flock
Speaker 2: of people to report on this one that this was
Speaker 2: the most important meeting of Alberanize's Korea and when they
Speaker 2: thought a meeting was going to be happening tomorrow. Listen
Speaker 2: to the questions that were being asked of our Prime
Speaker 2: minister as if literally he was meeting a country we've
Speaker 2: been at war with for twenty years.
Speaker 1: Have a listened to how pumped up they are?
Speaker 2: Is it unreasonable where you're going to conquered outcome to Morland,
Speaker 2: said that you would have extended an invite to mister
Speaker 2: Trump and to come to Australia. I was just wondering
Speaker 2: if you've unheard back from that.
Speaker 5: Is that something you've found on raising.
Speaker 6: Intact you because it is highly unlikely that Australia will
Speaker 6: be able to get the US to move on at
Speaker 6: least the ten percent taris.
Speaker 2: The Trump meeting is one of the final things on
Speaker 2: President Trump's agenda of before the rush.
Speaker 7: So are you concerned at all that you'll get your
Speaker 7: whole full time slot.
Speaker 8: Within following tomorrow's meeting?
Speaker 5: When do you foresee that you'll likely meet and at the.
Speaker 2: Next This was dreams come true. There was fears that
Speaker 2: it would happen behind the scenes, so they were doing
Speaker 2: everything they possibly could to make sure that the cameras
Speaker 2: would be let in. No such tension around the president
Speaker 2: of China. No, no, no, no, Because Orange Man bad
Speaker 2: equals click click click click click click in a country
Speaker 2: where you are the majority people don't like Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: I'm completely aware of this, all right, But the stakes,
Speaker 2: the stakes, the steaks. Well, as you know, Donald Trump
Speaker 2: has got bigger things to do than stick around the
Speaker 2: G seven.
Speaker 1: Now before we start to.
Speaker 2: Think that this means Australia has been insulted or flushed
Speaker 2: down the tourt, no reality is there'll be a meeting
Speaker 2: at some other point in time. But the very same
Speaker 2: people who were talking about the most important meeting of
Speaker 2: the prime minister's career, well they told finally the truth,
Speaker 2: as finally Australia was dealt with in a manner that
Speaker 2: you would think at a meeting of G seven where
Speaker 2: we are not part of the main seven nations and
Speaker 2: where they're to tag along its where part of the
Speaker 2: global community. But we don't have any strong positions on
Speaker 2: anything bar mid zero actually happening in the global community,
Speaker 2: because you see, we're going to work both sides of
Speaker 2: the fence here, don't we. You know, we've got to
Speaker 2: have a go at Donald Trump. But of course America
Speaker 2: important for our defense. President g Oh, we couldn't possibly
Speaker 2: mention the wigas we couldn't do what the Americans have done,
Speaker 2: which is to say slave labor that is making solar
Speaker 2: panels in China should not be allowed and we will
Speaker 2: not buy that product. Well no, but because that is
Speaker 2: with the other great goal, which of course the renewable
Speaker 2: energy sector. Shne, don't talk about it, don't talk about it,
Speaker 2: but we will hold people to account and we will
Speaker 2: talk about Australia's values. Well, yeah, Australia got a reality
Speaker 2: check because Australia has chosen to sit back, and particularly
Speaker 2: sit back during the Trump presidency. Whether you like the
Speaker 2: presidency or not, four fifths are bugger all. And there
Speaker 2: was a time there was a window for Australia to
Speaker 2: get the beginnings of a relationship and it was when
Speaker 2: everyone from CEOs to world leaders were talking to Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: And it was the months between when he won the
Speaker 2: presidency in the first Tuesday in November, all of November,
Speaker 2: all of December and all the way into the twentieth
Speaker 2: of January, when they could have met with him in
Speaker 2: Mara Lago. It wasn't like he was allergic to Australian.
Speaker 2: Scott Morrison literally spent New Year's Eve with him. But
Speaker 2: because of course there was an election coming an Orange
Speaker 2: Man bad and we've already set up that everything terrible
Speaker 2: in the economy is going to be Donald Trump's fault.
Speaker 2: Despite the fact that the Treasury itself has promised us
Speaker 2: or predicted nothing but budget deficits for the next forty
Speaker 2: four zero years, A trillion dollars of dead that becomes
Speaker 2: one point two one point five, one point seven.
Speaker 1: And imagine, imagine when we start to push.
Speaker 2: Towards two trillion dollars if we can't crack a budget's
Speaker 2: surplace between now and the twenty sixties. But I must
Speaker 2: say the one little detail. And again, if you're actually
Speaker 2: paying attention, you've heard what I've said. I hope they
Speaker 2: have a meeting. I hope there's an opportunity while he's
Speaker 2: in North America to somehow get his way towards the
Speaker 2: White House, have a chat in the next couple of days.
Speaker 2: Presumably the President would be feeling bad about bailing on
Speaker 2: the conversation, so they're eventually going to have a meeting.
Speaker 2: And by the way, the only reason the reporters were
Speaker 2: hoping he'd be invited to Australia is because they want
Speaker 2: to cover the outrage that people would have if he
Speaker 2: came to Australia. Understandably, they salivate. Why because this is
Speaker 2: the chance to pull on the big boy pants. This
Speaker 2: is when global affairs and you and I both know
Speaker 2: that Australian prime ministers once they become a little bit
Speaker 2: too fixated on global affairs. They're not focused on the
Speaker 2: home game. So again, if you're paying very close attention
Speaker 2: to what I'm actually saying, the Prime Minister, who I
Speaker 2: hope has a meeting, has a good relationship, hasn't fallen
Speaker 2: completely in for the overseas stuff yet because he knows. Firstly,
Speaker 2: airbus elbow is going to come back and become a
Speaker 2: unique name for him, one that he will deserve because
Speaker 2: of the trotting all around the globe.
Speaker 1: But right now, the air.
Speaker 2: Bus side, it'll have a few deflated egos coming back,
Speaker 2: including the journos talking to the Prime minister, who's going
Speaker 2: to talk about You know, I would have said really
Speaker 2: mean things to him. Sources close to the Prime Minister say,
Speaker 2: but can we can we just drink in one little detail,
Speaker 2: one little detail for those of us that are not
Speaker 2: fans of Albo, who do not believe that he should
Speaker 2: and will rule.
Speaker 1: For the rest of our natural lives.
Speaker 2: From the Australian Financial Review and our good friend Phil Curry,
Speaker 2: Fox News reported that Trump dined with the G seven
Speaker 2: leaders in Canada and then immediately left for Washington, Australia,
Speaker 2: which is not a member of the G seven was
Speaker 2: not invited to attend the dinner. So sorry, mate's there's
Speaker 2: only seven. There's only seven seats we could possibly have
Speaker 2: around this table. I know there's a few extra prime ministers,
Speaker 2: and I know they have to sit at.
Speaker 1: The kids table somewhere else.
Speaker 2: Albanezi was instead invited to a function with the heads
Speaker 2: of other nations such as South Korea and Mexico.
Speaker 1: You tell it, you're telling me.
Speaker 2: In all the function centers where the G seven is
Speaker 2: playing out right now, they couldn't get a little extended
Speaker 2: table to get another three, four or five ten leaders
Speaker 2: in there, to get Zelenski into the room, or were
Speaker 2: they afraid that big bad Orange man was going to
Speaker 2: yell at him again again? Straight I love I love
Speaker 2: the fact that on the brink of what feels at
Speaker 2: times like not quite World War three but on its way,
Speaker 2: that's playing out in other parts of the world, that
Speaker 2: we live in this wonderful island, and thankfully we are
Speaker 2: below the radar in terms of a lot of people's attention.
Speaker 2: I liked that there was a little reminder of that,
Speaker 2: and I take, frankly a little bit of strength from that.
Speaker 2: But the people that have been obsessing and pumping up
Speaker 2: and carrying on about Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump in
Speaker 2: all of it, they will of course be very disappointed.
Speaker 2: But again I hope there's a meeting. He's in North America.
Speaker 2: Presumably there's an IAU. I hope it happens sooner rather
Speaker 2: than later. And guess what world under whoever broke is it?
Speaker 2: But the media will just not get what they really want,
Speaker 2: which is to talk about Trump.
Speaker 1: All day, every day.
Speaker 2: And a little later in the show, I'm going to
Speaker 2: show you some examples about how remember how you spun
Speaker 2: the ball for elbow through the election, I'll show how
Speaker 2: they spin the ball when it comes to Trump and
Speaker 2: not quite the reality of what's been happening in the
Speaker 2: United States. Like or dislike Donald Trump, and I know
Speaker 2: where the majority of Australia is. But at least we
Speaker 2: can laugh at these people every now and then. Something,
Speaker 2: of course, much more serious is what is playing out
Speaker 2: right now as missral's have flown from Israel to Iran.
Speaker 1: The damage in Iran.
Speaker 2: Is difficult for people to see because of obviously it's
Speaker 2: not an open country when it comes to media. The
Speaker 2: missiles that are being fired back from Iran to Israel.
Speaker 2: The damage is more visible in Israel because there is
Speaker 2: a much more international media that is based there and
Speaker 2: can see what is taking place. Before we talk about who,
Speaker 2: what and where of global affairs, can we focus in
Speaker 2: on the Australians that are caught in the middle of
Speaker 2: all of this. There are hundreds of people who are stuck,
Speaker 2: cannot leave Israel, cannot leave Iran. Now I have heard
Speaker 2: a few sort of whispers around why were they.
Speaker 1: There, Well, I'll give you the tips.
Speaker 2: Some were visiting their families. Okay, Now again, it is
Speaker 2: not a crime to go to either of these countries,
Speaker 2: and they have every right to be safe in those countries.
Speaker 2: But for obvious reasons, when the airspace is locked off,
Speaker 2: no one's moving anywhere, which means even more people are
Speaker 2: worried about Australians who are in those areas, as well
Speaker 2: as the people whom they were visiting in those areas,
Speaker 2: who we may know back here in Australia. Apparently it's
Speaker 2: the best part of six hundred and fifty people. Three
Speaker 2: hundred Australians have advised the Department of Foreign Affairs and
Speaker 2: Trade of their desire to leave Israel. There are three
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty Australians who would like to do the
Speaker 2: same from Iran. Again together, six hundred and fifty Australians
Speaker 2: in a region and they want to get out and
Speaker 2: get out quick. One of those people actually spoke to
Speaker 2: our colleagues during the day here on Sky News and
Speaker 2: you can imagine if you were in his shoes, you
Speaker 2: would want the fastest passage out. But for obvious reasons,
Speaker 2: if you can't get a plane out and the airport's
Speaker 2: are shut down, you are stuck in a war zone.
Speaker 9: You have a lot of Australian citizens that came here
Speaker 9: and got stuck here. At the time Australia did an
Speaker 9: evacuation flights for Australian citizens. We hope that would be
Speaker 9: the case here as well. We're thinking about maybe taking
Speaker 9: a boat to Cyprus and maybe try to fly from there.
Speaker 9: None of those options are straightforward, they're all complex, and
Speaker 9: I would say that is where the main source of
Speaker 9: our concern, which is how we're going to be able
Speaker 9: to take to take off and actually reach Australia as
Speaker 9: we planned.
Speaker 2: All Right, As I say, the sunny is starting to
Speaker 2: come up in Washington, d C. And apparently, according to
Speaker 2: the President Donald Trump's public comments is that he's on
Speaker 2: his way towards meetings in the situation room. Now, let's
Speaker 2: of course focus on what he has said publicly via
Speaker 2: truth social and in the same way that he had
Speaker 2: previously warned people in and around Iran to get themselves
Speaker 2: safe because the Israeli rockets were going to start taking
Speaker 2: out those military targets. You know what he had to
Speaker 2: say today, basically put simply, if you're in ta Iran,
Speaker 2: get out of the way, get out of dodge. Now
Speaker 2: ten million people live in the capital city Tehran in Iran,
Speaker 2: which means it is virtually impossible for all of those
Speaker 2: people to get out before whatever is about to happen
Speaker 2: is about to happen. But the traffic jams, every single road,
Speaker 2: every single bridge, every single way out currently clogged even egalized.
Speaker 2: As you can see, there're some peoples trying to drive
Speaker 2: on the other side of the road white because they
Speaker 2: think something big is on its way. If it is,
Speaker 2: we'll all find out together. Obviously, the hit hits that
Speaker 2: have been taken by the Iranian regime means that now
Speaker 2: they are trying to talk to American media to say, oh,
Speaker 2: now we're.
Speaker 1: Willing to deal.
Speaker 2: Sorry, you've had sixty days, you've had sixty months, You've
Speaker 2: had a long time to deal with this. But their
Speaker 2: own petulance, their own support when it comes to terrorism,
Speaker 2: their own proxy wars around the Middle East, means no
Speaker 2: more talking. So we will all learn together what happens.
Speaker 2: You have heard what America does is kind of going
Speaker 2: to matter here because, put simply, there's lots of things
Speaker 2: that are obvious from the sky that Israel is trying
Speaker 2: to hit to try to stop Iran's capacity for a
Speaker 2: nuclear weapon or to keep firing missiles into Israel. But
Speaker 2: also there is a mountain. There is a mountain where
Speaker 2: much of the really serious stuff that around has been
Speaker 2: putting forward is being worked on, and it's about one
Speaker 2: hundred meters under ground inside this mountain. We understand there
Speaker 2: is nothing that the Israelis have that would be able
Speaker 2: to bust that bunker. But the United States has that technology.
Speaker 2: Remember the Mother of All bombs, basically one degree below
Speaker 2: a nuke, but something with absolute devastating power, something that
Speaker 2: you could drop once, twice, three times and start to
Speaker 2: bore your way through a mountain. Obviously, Israel would like
Speaker 2: the United States to get involved. The United States is
Speaker 2: weighing up as we speak at this minute, whether they
Speaker 2: are going to give that bomb over, because then it's
Speaker 2: not handing and helping weapons for Israel, it is they
Speaker 2: are in the fight. And after the twenty years of
Speaker 2: Iraq and the twenty years of Afghanistan, what happens after
Speaker 2: you drop the mother of all bombs is what they
Speaker 2: are debating. And in terms of the coalition of Donald Trump,
Speaker 2: and as I've mentioned to you before, so that the
Speaker 2: wars within wars in Republican politics, both old school and
Speaker 2: maga new school, there are two very different opinions about
Speaker 2: whether America.
Speaker 1: Should take that step.
Speaker 2: Old school Republicans who have always wanted to wipe out
Speaker 2: Iran's ability to attack Israel, like Senator Lindsay Graham, say yeah,
Speaker 2: let's do it now.
Speaker 10: Be all in President Trump in helping Israel eliminate the
Speaker 10: nuclear threat. If we need to provide bombs to Israel,
Speaker 10: provide bombs, if we need to fly planes with Israel,
Speaker 10: do joint operations.
Speaker 2: But then the newer forms of media, the more maggari bits, well,
Speaker 2: they don't want it at all because one of the
Speaker 2: reasons they jumped onto the Trump train was the No
Speaker 2: More Forever Wars. It's not just about dropping the mother
Speaker 2: of war bombs one, two three, it's about what happens after.
Speaker 2: Do you get drawn into regime change? Are you going
Speaker 2: to be there for a long period of time.
Speaker 1: Two of them got.
Speaker 2: Together today to send a pretty obvious public message, hoping
Speaker 2: that the President would hear them.
Speaker 1: Steve Bannon and Tucker Carlson, I'm.
Speaker 8: Really afraid that my country's going to be further weakened
Speaker 8: by this. I think we're going to see the end
Speaker 8: of American empire. Obviously other nations would like to see that,
Speaker 8: and this is a perfect way to scuttle the USS
Speaker 8: America on the rules of Iran. But it's also going
Speaker 8: to end I believe, Trump's presidency and effectively under it.
Speaker 8: So there's a whole other question, which is how prepared
Speaker 8: is the US military for a real conflict? And the
Speaker 8: answer is totally unprepared, scary.
Speaker 2: Unprepared now because people know that at certain points of time,
Speaker 2: Tucker Carson's been pretty close to Donald Trump. Remember he
Speaker 2: was literally sitting next to him, well certainly in the
Speaker 2: same diace in and around the Republican Convention. He apparently
Speaker 2: was one of the key figures that convinced him to
Speaker 2: go with JD. Vance as the vice presidential candidate and
Speaker 2: the eventual vice president. So we can't pretend he's so
Speaker 2: far out he's not part of the circle. He has
Speaker 2: been part of the circle. But judging by Donald Trump's
Speaker 2: public comments in Canada before he bug it off today
Speaker 2: he's telling Tucker thanks, don't care. I don't know what
Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson is saying. Let him go get a television
Speaker 2: network and say it so that people listen. Thank you.
Speaker 2: All right, now, let's also deal with the matters to
Speaker 2: do with defense involving China and Australia. As you know,
Speaker 2: there have been plenty of warships that have been circling
Speaker 2: our country. Some have been well known, but they don't
Speaker 2: tell us anything about others who have done live fire exercises.
Speaker 2: Are exposed by pilots, commercial pilots who are flying between
Speaker 2: Australia and New Zealand. Well, seemingly the government or the
Speaker 2: very least the Australian Defense Force wants to get out
Speaker 2: in front of this because according to the Daily Telegraph today,
Speaker 2: there are more Chinese warships on the way to Australia. Now,
Speaker 2: obviously they'll play the game where they'll just be a
Speaker 2: couple of kilometers outside of technically Australia's waters, there'll be
Speaker 2: in international waters, which means we can't say or do anything,
Speaker 2: but we know that that is not a good sign.
Speaker 1: Here is the ADF warning us about it today.
Speaker 11: As an expanding bluewater navy, we should expect the Chinese
Speaker 11: Navy to undertake similar deployments more regularly to the Southwest
Speaker 11: Pacific and Indian Ocean.
Speaker 2: And something not as significant is anything I've just mentioned,
Speaker 2: but something that every single Australian is going to be
Speaker 2: aware of. It's winter, but we are hearing that it
Speaker 2: is going to be particular kularly cold in the next
Speaker 2: twenty four hours. So yes, in certain cities it feels
Speaker 2: like you look at that jacket, No it's not cold
Speaker 2: enough blue of that jumper. No we don't need that.
Speaker 2: And then yes, you get blasted during the day. We'll
Speaker 2: here's the heads up. Massive parts of Australia are going
Speaker 2: to go cop it tomorrow morning. All of the technical reasons. Well,
Speaker 2: that's why we've got sky News Weather.
Speaker 7: Under the clear sky across New South Wales. It is
Speaker 7: going to be a very chilly Indeed, most areas in
Speaker 7: that Navy Blue dropping below five degrees, significant frost pushing
Speaker 7: very close to the coast, including around Sydney. The bitterly
Speaker 7: cold weather I'm giving way to widespread frost tanting the
Speaker 7: risk of severe frost over Victoria's northern country and northeast
Speaker 7: weather is a frost warning, so definitely rug up again.
Speaker 7: A difficult warning to get out of bed.
Speaker 1: All right, quick break.
Speaker 2: Plenty more to talk about, plenty more to debate. Nigel
Speaker 2: Farage on the show tonight, a future British Prime minister,
Speaker 2: that's what the Poles are telling us before that. Plenty
Speaker 2: to talk about, including You're going to see some fun
Speaker 2: which is an awesome grandpa doing awesome things. And a
Speaker 2: debate about Australia on the world stage and who lost
Speaker 2: the most out of no meeting between Trump and Elbow
Speaker 2: at the G seven where we had to sit at
Speaker 2: the kids tape war. It's one of the.
Speaker 1: Joys of this time of year.
Speaker 2: Of of course winter A little heads up if you
Speaker 2: have the opportunity to get anywhere near things like an observatory,
Speaker 2: one of the cool things that they put on in
Speaker 2: and around the Winter Solstice is stuff that's going to
Speaker 2: be happening this weekend. Of course, it is caused in
Speaker 2: and around the Earth's orbit. The winter solstice shortest day
Speaker 2: of the year, longest night of the year. I eat
Speaker 2: one of the great ones to look up on the
Speaker 2: twenty first, that being on Saturday. So a little heads
Speaker 2: up if you planning to do something nice and fun
Speaker 2: look up on Saturday. Certainly you can look at your
Speaker 2: TV right now because the celestial figures that are the
Speaker 2: wonderful James Ashby and Linda Scotti here and they're going
Speaker 2: to agree on everything because ones labor to their birdstraps,
Speaker 2: and ones from one nation, ones in the man came
Speaker 2: nice and warm, and ones out in the stockyards.
Speaker 12: Where are you, James my gingin tonight beyond the little town.
Speaker 4: It's just to the south of me, so it is
Speaker 4: a bit cool. I'm looking out. There's clouds tonight, no stars.
Speaker 1: All right, good stuff, all right.
Speaker 2: So let's talk about Australia on the world stage now
Speaker 2: again for those that are half listening, here's the deal, right, Australia,
Speaker 2: the Australian media got a reality check right. The meeting
Speaker 2: is of the G seven and they are so addicted
Speaker 2: to the club of the G seven that all of
Speaker 2: the other world leaders, who you know represent significant countries
Speaker 2: around the world, they were all at the kid's table, right,
Speaker 2: They weren't allowed to have dinner with you know, the
Speaker 2: mummies and daddy's running the big countries. And of course
Speaker 2: we know that because of yes, a global event which
Speaker 2: looks like we'll know a lot more about in the
Speaker 2: next twenty four hours, there is not this meeting that's
Speaker 2: going to take place between Albinizi and Trump. And again,
Speaker 2: if you're half listening, I say this to the people
Speaker 2: that spend all their time looking for a reason to
Speaker 2: build the caricature of me in sky News and all
Speaker 2: the rest of it. Right again, I want there to
Speaker 2: be a meeting. I hope that you can get one
Speaker 2: on the way down you're in North America. They can
Speaker 2: work out something into the future, right fine, I want
Speaker 2: great relationships, right because I think America should be at
Speaker 2: the head of the table, not China. Just a crazy,
Speaker 2: crazy ideas, right, I can tell the difference. But James,
Speaker 2: what does it say about Australia on the world stage
Speaker 2: that firstly we're at the kids table with not insignificant countries.
Speaker 2: But the media, the media just it was their chance
Speaker 2: to get close to Orange Man. Now I saw this
Speaker 2: with my own eyes when I was lucky enough to
Speaker 2: go see it all. And they just clamor and because
Speaker 2: he lives in their head and they write him into
Speaker 2: an Australian election and all the rest of it. It's
Speaker 2: the media that are more disappointed than the Prime minister.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, but don't play this down.
Speaker 12: I think it is a kick in the guts to
Speaker 12: Albin Easy and I think that Labor are trying to
Speaker 12: downplay this. Let's not forget Zelenski, who was supposed to
Speaker 12: meet with him on the sidelines of this G seven meeting.
Speaker 12: He's already met with him several times. Modi's met with
Speaker 12: him several times face to face. Who hasn't met with him,
Speaker 12: Anthony Albnezi. But you can't go around slagging off the
Speaker 12: leader of the free world, the president of the United States,
Speaker 12: both in an election cycle and then on the other
Speaker 12: side of it. Just at the press club last week,
Speaker 12: what was he doing again slagging off the president saying
Speaker 12: that you know they won the ninety four seats at
Speaker 12: this most recent election because of the fact that they
Speaker 12: didn't import different tactics from other countries.
Speaker 4: Well, we know what that meant.
Speaker 12: You called Peter Dutton the TIMU Trump throughout the election campaign. Sorry,
Speaker 12: but you can't slag off the president and expect a
Speaker 12: sideline meeting. I never expected this to happen. We're a
Speaker 12: guest at the G seven. We're not part of it.
Speaker 12: We're part of the G twenty. So look, it was
Speaker 12: inevitable that, you know, if anything went down, Trump was
Speaker 12: going to bail.
Speaker 4: He's done exactly that.
Speaker 12: It is egg on the face of this Prime minister,
Speaker 12: who really doesn't have a great relationship. America does have
Speaker 12: a good relationship with Australia. The difference is Trump doesn't
Speaker 12: have a good relationship with Albanezy.
Speaker 2: Fair point Jim Chalmers for his point, understandably because she
Speaker 2: doesn't want to upset the Apple card because those numbers
Speaker 2: that might eventually come his way in sixty five years
Speaker 2: when the chairman decides to one day step down, well,
Speaker 2: he of course is running cover for the Prime minister today.
Speaker 13: This was always a chance of happening. Given what's happening
Speaker 13: around the world and particularly in the Middle East. Prime
Speaker 13: Minister Albanze has had three conversations with President Trump in
Speaker 13: recent months, will continue to engage in the usual way.
Speaker 13: But I don't think it's especially surprising. I do think
Speaker 13: it's understandable.
Speaker 2: So Linda, I'm looking, I've been waiting for this all day.
Speaker 2: How is this technically a win for Albany?
Speaker 10: Is he?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 5: I think it's really sad that James is playing pretty
Speaker 5: loose with the truth tonight. As the Treasurer has said,
Speaker 5: three conversations with the US President. Already as the chair
Speaker 5: of an Australian industry superannuation fund, I went to the
Speaker 5: US and met with a Secretary Best and Secretary Latnik,
Speaker 5: with the Australian Ambassador to the US, Kevin rad I
Speaker 5: was over there. We needs there's been extensive meetings between
Speaker 5: the current US administration and Australian business figures and the
Speaker 5: Australian government. Other than that.
Speaker 4: Is not true.
Speaker 5: Well, you know, I don't know if you know, James,
Speaker 5: but government works not just surrounded by one person, but
Speaker 5: actually there's representatives and that that really.
Speaker 2: A different.
Speaker 4: To you and me wanting to meet with you as well.
Speaker 5: And on multiple occasions, as the Treasurer spelt out really
Speaker 5: clearly today, what's going to be important for Australians is
Speaker 5: that we have a good open conversation about the bill
Speaker 5: before the US Parliament. And that's about tariffs. It's about taxes,
Speaker 5: and these are really important conversations. But it's not going
Speaker 5: to hinge on one conversation. It's going to hinge on
Speaker 5: the opposition, on the minor parties step up and speaking
Speaker 5: out in Australia's interests too, not criticizing the Prime Minister
Speaker 5: and undermining the national effort to get the best I
Speaker 5: love the Australians and Australian companies. So what I don't
Speaker 5: want to hear people bigger, nonfan Ausralian I mean so
Speaker 5: than I am right.
Speaker 2: I couldn't whack him harder and longer and all the
Speaker 2: rest of it. Right, And as I just said, I
Speaker 2: hope there's a meaning. I hope it happens because interpersonal
Speaker 2: relationships clearly are on matters right, Prime Minister.
Speaker 5: Leader, size Foreign affairs right, let's not undermine the Australian
Speaker 5: government's efforts.
Speaker 2: Whoever that, I'll be honest, I'm more obsessed with the media.
Speaker 2: Who built this thing, the most important meeting of his.
Speaker 1: Career, of his entire life.
Speaker 2: No that's rubbish, right, And I love the same people
Speaker 2: that were pumpty pump, pump, pump pump. Those tiets are
Speaker 2: the ones that had to turn around and say we've
Speaker 2: been reminded of our place in the world today. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so has the media. But does that surprise anyway? No, wonder.
Speaker 2: I do get many Christmas cards from my colleagues in
Speaker 2: and around the business.
Speaker 1: All right, well, I mean for you, not for them.
Speaker 2: Right, Let's talk about your previous long standing love local government, Linda.
Speaker 2: You're ongoing James. That is councils and tone deaf councils.
Speaker 2: Northern Beaches Council are in Sydney, right, they whack up
Speaker 2: twenty five.
Speaker 1: Percent increase in their rates.
Speaker 2: Locals are a furious, right, protests carrying on agro understandably
Speaker 2: right because like every other council, what about the pothole?
Speaker 2: What about this? Why are you're paying this person all
Speaker 2: of that stuff?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 14: That said, again, if you're paying attention to the detail,
Speaker 14: and Linda has taught us the lesson over many many
Speaker 14: years that yeah, there's probably not as much money directly
Speaker 14: from government. The trickles to local government, but the same
Speaker 14: council decides I know, you know, we've got to talk
Speaker 14: about at a meeting here, we've got to have a
Speaker 14: chat about gaza.
Speaker 2: It's the northern Beaches of Sydney. Okay, again perfect example
Speaker 2: where Linda again eyes on the prize right, the idea
Speaker 2: that just because I've got a microphone I must speak
Speaker 2: into it about this issue that clearly does not affect
Speaker 2: the Northern Beaches of Sydney.
Speaker 5: Thoughts, look, a couple of issues. The meeting is still
Speaker 5: happening tonight in the Northern Beaches, so we don't know
Speaker 5: which of these resolutions have passed. There is one before
Speaker 5: the council on gaza, and there is another one on raids.
Speaker 5: The council has several new counselors because of course the
Speaker 5: Liberal Party forgot to lodge their nominations, and some of
Speaker 5: them tonight are in tears as they're speaking about the
Speaker 5: difficulty and the aggression that they've received in the lobbying
Speaker 5: around these issues. They have had people like ricesters out
Speaker 5: the front, and for particularly new counselors who are new
Speaker 5: to politics, often they're getting paid very little money. This
Speaker 5: is a really tricky issue. So I just do say,
Speaker 5: with understanding and respect for whatever political group he comes from.
Speaker 5: You know, be nice to your local councilors. It's a
Speaker 5: tough gig.
Speaker 2: I did it one hundred percent. But actions reactions right,
Speaker 2: You don't get to have it both ways, which is
Speaker 2: to jack up rates and then expect no one to
Speaker 2: blow up about the council.
Speaker 5: The council has applied for an increase in their rates
Speaker 5: and the new South Wales Government structure I part did
Speaker 5: not grant them permission for the full increase. So what
Speaker 5: they've been granted is permission for a twenty five percent
Speaker 5: over four years. And James, just to give you the
Speaker 5: context and the truth about this, that will cover the
Speaker 5: maintenance backlog. It will not cover new projects. It will
Speaker 5: not cover major projects. So for example, it won't cover things.
Speaker 12: Like mark you got to run a line through so
Speaker 12: many rainbow.
Speaker 5: It won't an upgrade to the lower Ringer Center, beloved Pool.
Speaker 5: It won't cover things that really matter to the Northern
Speaker 5: Beaches communities. Now these are tricky decisions, but the council
Speaker 5: has not been given permission to increase rates to a
Speaker 5: level that they have modeled and budgeted transparently before their
Speaker 5: community to cover some of these major projects. It will
Speaker 5: only cover renewal and maintenance of their existing asset base.
Speaker 5: This is not an unfamiliar position for Australia's five hundred
Speaker 5: and thirty seven they.
Speaker 2: Pay a landscape for seventy three thousand dollars.
Speaker 5: Councils in the country here, and we've said this many
Speaker 5: times before. Paul councils get half a percent of Commonwealth
Speaker 5: taxation revenue and they're expected to run libraries, pools, community centers,
Speaker 5: roads in the regions, no one's utilities, almost all the
Speaker 5: additional emergency services. So this is scifice, significant and tough
Speaker 5: disease and you.
Speaker 2: Know, particularly country means I get it at But but right, okay, James,
Speaker 2: I know you sort of are you sitting down and
Speaker 2: you're just crouching right, Because how's this Northern Beaches Council
Speaker 2: that's going to increase its rates on its ratepays of
Speaker 2: twenty five percent is currently advertising for a tree assessment officer.
Speaker 2: They will be paid as much as one hundred and
Speaker 2: four thousand dollars to be a tree assessment officer.
Speaker 1: That's my point.
Speaker 12: This is where this is where you should be able
Speaker 12: to have arborists in a professional setting that have got
Speaker 12: the approval from counsel to say, oh listen, that tree's
Speaker 12: got to come out. It's got white ants in it,
Speaker 12: or it's a risk to houses, or it's a risk.
Speaker 4: To a school.
Speaker 12: Why put somebody on in the council when somebody else
Speaker 12: can be doing it in the private sector.
Speaker 4: It's unnecessary. We see this all the time though.
Speaker 12: And to be quite honest, I would love to get
Speaker 12: rid of counselors all together. All they are is an
Speaker 12: extension of state government. They are not constitutionally recognized. At
Speaker 12: the end of the day, the CEOs get paid the
Speaker 12: big bucks. Why is that because most of the time
Speaker 12: the councilors are guided from those behind them, the bureaucrats,
Speaker 12: so just the tick and flick people. Ultimately, they're costing
Speaker 12: us here in Queensland a stack of money, way more
Speaker 12: than any other state. Some work hard for their money,
Speaker 12: but the majority of them don't. I know in Livingston
Speaker 12: they've only got to turn up to two days a month.
Speaker 5: With over never running the local government. That's a position
Speaker 5: that your party goals. I hope you just absolutely rule
Speaker 5: out ever running representatives for local government because you do
Speaker 5: at the moment.
Speaker 4: That you have to.
Speaker 5: Run elected representatives. What level of government you think you
Speaker 5: should be abolished. That's just so devastating to hear.
Speaker 4: But what will show me where the benefits most? Trust
Speaker 4: the level of.
Speaker 5: Research after repet slowly in regional Australia, absolutely depend on
Speaker 5: their council services and support, James. They can't do without it.
Speaker 1: What would you.
Speaker 12: Supporting the libraries, the pools, the roads. I want you
Speaker 12: to pick up the beans, all those things. I love
Speaker 12: all that stuff.
Speaker 5: Right, you just said that level of government should be abolished, James,
Speaker 5: So just commit.
Speaker 4: To running counselors. Scrap the counselors, get rid of the councilors.
Speaker 4: They're not necessary.
Speaker 5: So you think democratic, James? Do you think you should
Speaker 5: be run by bureaucrats? Is that what you're I think.
Speaker 12: The communities are not listened to because the community is saying,
Speaker 12: don't increase our rates by twenty five percent. That council
Speaker 12: was aiming for forty percent by the way, it was
Speaker 12: knocked back and now they're going for twenty five And the.
Speaker 4: Community is saying, don't raise our rates.
Speaker 12: What is the counselors doing ignoring them because they're going
Speaker 12: to pass it anyway. So what's the point of having
Speaker 12: counselors when they don't listen to people.
Speaker 2: All right, now, just quickly here about other people's money again,
Speaker 2: reporting around about top public servants.
Speaker 1: Now, by the way they get away.
Speaker 2: With this, right, Firstly, a lot of these top public
Speaker 2: servants pay more than the ministers of the who's in
Speaker 2: charge technically of their departments. Right, but every time so
Speaker 2: there's sort of the MP pay rises. Top public servants
Speaker 2: get it as well. All of the flights, all of
Speaker 2: the travels, and we hear about some pretty luxury stuff
Speaker 2: that's happening at the front end of the corners planes. Linda, again,
Speaker 2: I understand busy people and busy people with lots of
Speaker 2: meetings and all the rest of it, and air traveling
Speaker 2: different than going on I get, I get right, But
Speaker 2: at what point should the public servant who's already being
Speaker 2: paid more than the politician not get the politician perk
Speaker 2: when it comes to travel.
Speaker 5: Well, look, I'm not a member of the Quantus chairman's land.
Speaker 5: Let me disclose that. And I do fly a little
Speaker 5: bit for work for the boards that I'm on, and
Speaker 5: I do it with many airlines, and you know, all
Speaker 5: of my organizations have great policies about this to make
Speaker 5: sure we're going with the best price and the best
Speaker 5: you know, and some of these companies and some of
Speaker 5: them are government boards. But look, I do think people
Speaker 5: are right to ask questions about this and shine a
Speaker 5: bit of a light on it, because I too do
Speaker 5: feel pretty uncomfortable where you don't have kind of publicly
Speaker 5: disclosed gift registers. I didn't know that these public servants
Speaker 5: were eligible, you know, or being invited to join the
Speaker 5: Quantus Club. That's a matter for the Quantus Club themselves.
Speaker 5: But I do think probity and integrity and government and
Speaker 5: transparencies is really critical. I mean, I still think it's
Speaker 5: the case that federal parliamentarians of all different persuasions continue
Speaker 5: to accept their invitation to the Quantus glob So I'll
Speaker 5: add that on top. I'm not sure there should be
Speaker 5: a different rule for people who work and people who
Speaker 5: are elected. But you know, this is a scheme that' said,
Speaker 5: the invitation of Quantus, and it's caused much controversy over
Speaker 5: many years.
Speaker 2: All right, thank you guys, still appreciate it, Love you both.
Speaker 2: Nija Farras standing by, But I just want to take
Speaker 2: a moment because I was at a funeral today for
Speaker 2: the father of one of my best mates and favorite
Speaker 2: people in the world, My beautiful friend Penny.
Speaker 1: Her father Joe, passed away just a few days ago.
Speaker 1: What a cad this bloke.
Speaker 2: Look at this bloke all right now, Joe Gossen, beautiful
Speaker 2: man right, and he loved watching sky News. He loved
Speaker 2: watching sky News. He was all in on politics. He
Speaker 2: was so proud that he was part of the debate.
Speaker 2: He came to Australia from Lebanon in nineteen seventy, following
Speaker 2: his brother George. He eventually met Violet, his queen. He
Speaker 2: had three beautiful children in Fred, Penny and Monique. He
Speaker 2: loved the Cronella Sharks, he loved V eight supercars, Fords,
Speaker 2: and as I said, he loved sky News. And he
Speaker 2: was relentlessly kind to me. His service was beautiful. His
Speaker 2: family is a testament to his awesomeness. And he is
Speaker 2: the exact type of Australian who we are poor and
Speaker 2: not to have. Joe.
Speaker 1: We love you, We miss you, violent hugs and love forever.
Speaker 2: You've got an incredible family and it was an honor
Speaker 2: to farewell a very loyal part of the Sky News family.
Speaker 1: Today, not.
Speaker 15: In time for the man who's never boring, the leader
Speaker 15: of the Reform Party in the UK, and if the
Speaker 15: polls are right, the next Prime Minister of the United Kingdom,
Speaker 15: Nigel Ferraj Love it is, see you mate, how you.
Speaker 6: Been good to see you, very well, thank you. Politics
Speaker 6: very real here, grooming gangs dominating everything.
Speaker 2: Which of course, this is a story way back when
Speaker 2: about when local councils wouldn't go there, wouldn't touch it,
Speaker 2: wouldn't talk about it for fear of offending the parts
Speaker 2: of the Muslim community. Ki Starmer was back there as
Speaker 2: the Chief Prosecutor and sort of involved in some of
Speaker 2: the light touch responses. You single handedly were able to
Speaker 2: bring it back to national attention. Force force force this
Speaker 2: to become an issue, so much so that there's going
Speaker 2: to be the proper inquiry. Now there's basically no limits,
Speaker 2: no stone unturned, and we're going to know who looked
Speaker 2: the other way.
Speaker 6: Well, that's the plan, absolutely, And Keir Starmer having initially
Speaker 6: said that anybody that wanted a full judicial inquiry with
Speaker 6: powers was giving a dog whissel to the far right.
Speaker 6: I mean, gosh, they are so repositive these people now
Speaker 6: forced into the term we're told the inquiry could take
Speaker 6: up to three years, which I think is rather longer
Speaker 6: that any of us would want, and we've yet to
Speaker 6: know who the judge or the head of the inquiry is.
Speaker 6: So it's a step in the right direction. We must
Speaker 6: not let them riggle out of doing this properly. Social
Speaker 6: Services turned a blind day. Please turn the blind day.
Speaker 6: Politicians turned the blind day, and frankly, it's a scandal
Speaker 6: that I think is looked upon with the rest of
Speaker 6: the world as a real badge of shame for the UK.
Speaker 2: Now let's turn our attention to the dominant news around
Speaker 2: the world right now is that we do not know
Speaker 2: what is just around the corner when it comes to
Speaker 2: will the United States give the technology that means we
Speaker 2: can go to the whole next level here when it
Speaker 2: comes to trying to make sure that Iran does not
Speaker 2: get a nuclear weapon, we know that this has been
Speaker 2: something discussed, feared. What are the consequences? How hard metaphorically
Speaker 2: can Iran be punched before there is this sort of
Speaker 2: point of no return? Personally, I think that it's been
Speaker 2: proven a few times here that maybe there was great
Speaker 2: a fear about Iran rather than the reality of the
Speaker 2: ability to respond. But there is a bunker that needs
Speaker 2: to be busted, and the only people who can do
Speaker 2: it it's going to be the Americans.
Speaker 1: What do you think.
Speaker 6: Well, look, I mean one of the things that Donald
Speaker 6: Trump and I first bonded over was Iran policy, the
Speaker 6: idiocy of Obama, the European Union, the British Foreign Office
Speaker 6: and government all doing this deal, this jcpoa deal with
Speaker 6: Iran just over a decade ago.
Speaker 2: And what it did.
Speaker 6: It freed up tens of billions of dollars, much of
Speaker 6: which they used to fund Hamas the whot is his
Speaker 6: Bulla and every terrorist group in the region. So I
Speaker 6: think what is read of doing. I'm generally anti warpole.
Speaker 6: I think going to war really is a last resort.
Speaker 6: But I don't think Israel frankly, had much choice.
Speaker 1: We do not know.
Speaker 6: Exactly the level to which the Tance facility they've managed
Speaker 6: to enrich uranium, but it's a pretty long way.
Speaker 2: But what you say is right.
Speaker 6: Whilst the above the ground facilities have been damaged, the
Speaker 6: real work that goes on below ground has not been touched.
Speaker 6: Over the last couple of days. Yeah, you can take
Speaker 6: out the TV stage and all the rest of it.
Speaker 6: My sense of this is that Trump has always thought
Speaker 6: that Iran were potentially the really bad guys, and I
Speaker 6: personally believe no inside info, but I personally believe he
Speaker 6: will give Israel the ability to finish this job.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get that sense, especially obviously stepping out of
Speaker 2: the G seven basically as soon as he hit hopped
Speaker 2: off Air Force one into the situation room. And we
Speaker 2: know that it's a daylight right now in not just
Speaker 2: America but the Middle East as well. And whether that's
Speaker 2: part of the equation, we'll all find out together. By
Speaker 2: the way, when I talk about Iran and what was
Speaker 2: feared versus what has happened, I'm not at all downplaying
Speaker 2: their funding of terrorism. I'm not downplaying the brutal regime,
Speaker 2: none of that whatsoever. What I'm talking about is that obviously,
Speaker 2: anyone having even a mild foreign poalsy conversation sees that
Speaker 2: there's one of these red lines, right and if Israel
Speaker 2: and Iran, and Iran and Israel, then are we at
Speaker 2: some beginning of a point of no return. But I
Speaker 2: think that Iran has been proven its capacity to hurt
Speaker 2: Israel has been diminished. Remember a few months ago, when
Speaker 2: it was a swarm of drones. Then even when they
Speaker 2: decided to start throwing things into Tel Aviv. Yes, twenty
Speaker 2: four people at least have died, no question. It's the
Speaker 2: iron Dome, not the lack of missiles that was the result.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking about about. This the reality of
Speaker 2: Iran's ability. But just because it can't wipe out parts
Speaker 2: of Israel and nobody would want that doesn't mean they
Speaker 2: don't have a network of people and organizations who can
Speaker 2: do real harm.
Speaker 6: Well, yes they can, of course, but also take this
Speaker 6: argument on. You know, Iran has had the most brutal
Speaker 6: and I use that word advisedly, the most brutal regime
Speaker 6: now in place for over forty years. The Persian people
Speaker 6: have been usly suppressed and many of their best people,
Speaker 6: of course, have left the country. I think this regime
Speaker 6: is really, really vulnerable. I think whatever happens in the
Speaker 6: next couple of weeks could see the overthrow of this regime.
Speaker 6: I noticed that Elon Musk has turned starlink on in Iran,
Speaker 6: so the opposition groups now can quite comfortably talk to
Speaker 6: each other. I would love to see the end of
Speaker 6: this Iranian regime and something better come in its place,
Speaker 6: and I think if that happened within a few years,
Speaker 6: Persians from all over the world would go back to
Speaker 6: make it around the great country that it was.
Speaker 2: It's all will and good for people rhetorically at a
Speaker 2: barbeque or even on TV shows at times, to have
Speaker 2: sort of these imaginary red lines, right. And I've got
Speaker 2: to say, one of the things that I liked about
Speaker 2: the Trump movement, and certainly sort of the twenty four version,
Speaker 2: was the Forever Wars conversation, right because of the blood
Speaker 2: and treasure around Iraq and Afghanistan. And obviously nobody wants
Speaker 2: Iran to become the next version of those things. But
Speaker 2: the reality is that if America has the tools and
Speaker 2: they're at the precipice of being able to break, to
Speaker 2: break the bad regime, well maybe those are the moments
Speaker 2: to act. But you will have no doubt noticed some
Speaker 2: of the fracturing that has happened in that coalition. Look,
Speaker 2: Trump's always the center of it, and he'll survive whatever happens.
Speaker 2: But what are your thoughts about that group that are
Speaker 2: seemingly annoyed at any upscaling of what's happening in Iran?
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, Steve Balen's a very good friend of mine,
Speaker 6: but I think he's sort of almost sometimes one that
Speaker 6: has sort of shield America from the rest of the
Speaker 6: world in every way, which of course doesn't actually work
Speaker 6: anyway because of the interconnections that we have globally. So yeah,
Speaker 6: you're going to get a lot about strong Magaweg say
Speaker 6: we shouldn't be involved in any way at all.
Speaker 1: And look, you know, I mean, I have.
Speaker 6: To say that Afghanistan going on for twenty years, it
Speaker 6: was never winnable, even at the height of the British Empire.
Speaker 6: Twice the British loss was in Afghanistan and we'd learned
Speaker 6: nothing from it. This is different. This is different. This
Speaker 6: is not about putting in American troops. It's not about
Speaker 6: a massive commitment for us. This is an opportunity, a
Speaker 6: real opportunity, to overthrow a truly brutal and evil regime
Speaker 6: and it could happen more quickly than you think.
Speaker 1: That's not of you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Nigel, you're an incredible thought leader. Thank you so
Speaker 2: much for your time. I love these chats set and
Speaker 2: getting to know you even more along with everyone in
Speaker 2: this part of the world.
Speaker 1: Thank you mate.
Speaker 2: Nigel for us, of course, the leader of the Reform
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