WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 28 October 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:05.039 Lately, General man, welcome late pay. 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:08.280 Well, good evening and thanks for your company. 0:00:08.320 --> 0:00:11.680 I'm James Macpherson with Liz Staurer and Caleb Bond coming up. 0:00:11.720 --> 0:00:15.440 A police officer found guilty of misconduct for stealing wait 0:00:15.520 --> 0:00:16.440 for it, a. 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:18.040 Roll of toilet paper. 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:21.320 No crime problems when that's the sort of thing police 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:24.000 are investigating. We'll get to that a little later. Plus 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:26.080 when we look at what's making news in the papers. 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:29.840 The Prime Minister's relationship with Quantus continues to be examined 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:32.920 after it's revealed he received more than two dozen flight 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:35.880 upgrades and new South Wales teachers to get a massive 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:39.840 pay rise in the nation's most generous deal for educators. 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:41.800 We'll get to that when we look at the papers. 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:44.199 But we want to start tonight with a story that 0:00:44.320 --> 0:00:47.920 is just quite astonishing from Victoria, which, let's face it 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:52.600 is where most astonishing stories come from these days. Magistrates 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:57.280 in Victoria have been trained how to avoid imposing sentences 0:00:57.880 --> 0:01:01.760 that would result in pedophiles, drug trackers and violent criminals 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:07.480 being deported from Australia now. Judicial officials confirmed this training 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:12.120 took place last Thursday, and people present said magistrates were 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:14.520 being taught how to make sure that when they are 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:22.720 sentencing non citizens, those sentences don't trigger deportation under immigration law. Unbelievably, 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:24.880 those who were present said, this is one of the 0:01:24.920 --> 0:01:28.440 examples that was given to Victorian magistrates. They were told, 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:31.040 imagine you've got or I don't know, a Vietnamese student 0:01:31.360 --> 0:01:35.280 here on a student visa who sexually assaults repeatedly an 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:38.319 eight year old child. Now, magistrates were told, if you 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:42.360 sentence that pedophile to twelve months jail or more, you 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:45.120 leave open the possibility that that person could be deported 0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:47.120 from the country, and we don't want that, so you 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:51.480 should sentence them to eleven months and fifteen days imprisonment, 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:57.280 that way safeguarding the offender from ever being deported from Australia. 0:01:57.320 --> 0:02:00.520 Magistrates were also told they should never jail drug traffickers 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:03.160 so that they won't be deported. 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:05.080 Now this sounds so outlandish. 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:08.200 The Herald's son went to judicial officials and said, is 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:12.440 this all correct? The officials wouldn't confirm specific details, but 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:16.280 they didn't deny them either. Instead, they released this statement. 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:20.560 A Professional Development Day for judicial offices of the Magistrate's 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:24.040 Court was held on Thursday twenty four October, which included 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:26.400 presentations for a number of speakers on areas of the 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:29.520 law relevant to the work of the court. The focus 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:33.120 of the day was sentencing. The law treats deportation as 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:38.400 a relevant circumstance for the purposes of sentencing capabiliz. I 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:42.520 would have thought, if you're a convicted pedophile, the luckiest 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:44.840 thing that could happen to you is that you are 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:48.720 booted out of the country. But here you've got sentencing 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:51.800 not being based on the crime, but being based on 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:54.880 how the sentence might affect the poor criminal. I thought 0:02:54.919 --> 0:02:58.239 the criminal justice system was meant to support victims, not criminals. 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:01.160 Well, supposedly, we mean to be all e under the law, 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:04.880 and what we're talking about here is that magistrates are 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:08.600 being lectured and judges are being lectured on the application 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:12.560 of the law on the basis of what your nationality is. 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:15.000 So if you're likely to be removed. 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:17.320 From this country because you're not actually a citizen of 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:20.960 the country, and you've committed crimes while you are here, 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:24.000 well you should be allowed to stay, which in effect 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:26.680 means that if you are weighing up a sentence for 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:29.720 someone who is an Australian citizen and a sentence for 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:33.120 someone who is not an Australian citizen. You are being 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:36.280 advised to give a more lenient sentence to someone who 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:40.000 hasn't actually said yes, I'm an Australian. Try to make 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:43.520 it make sense. We don't have a justice system. In 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:47.360 many cases, we have a legal system, and I understand 0:03:47.400 --> 0:03:50.760 why you cannot put the application of justice in the 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:53.440 hands of victims, because of course victims would always give 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:57.320 everyone the most heinous sort of sentence possible. 0:03:57.480 --> 0:03:58.680 I understand all of that. 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:01.240 But when we are talking about people who have committed 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:05.240 crimes in this country and they're not actually a citizen 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:08.360 of this country, we have every right and should, in 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:12.760 every circumstance, use every opportunity to kick them out, particularly 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:16.440 crimes like pedophilia. And plenty of people who work in 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:22.840 criminal psychology can tell you that pedophiles cannot be reformed. 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:25.680 They are always at risk of reoffending. 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:27.880 And if you have the opportunity to kick one of 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:30.920 those people out of the country, you should damn well 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:34.240 take it. Who the hell thinks they can go in 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:37.599 and lecture magistrates and judges about the application of the 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:40.880 law on the basis of whether you are not a citizen. 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:44.479 It is a disgrace and I hope every single person 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:48.039 in that room dismisses that advice out of hand because 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:50.200 it is outrageous. 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:53.080 And it flies in the face of judicial independence. 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:55.560 On day one of. 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:58.680 My studies for a juris doctor, you said this was 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:03.200 drummed into us judicial independence. 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:05.840 You're meant to be getting advice like this. 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:10.960 From some sort of magistrates get together, especially such keeness 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:15.200 advice like this. Who among us would not want a 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:20.600 non citizen the second they are sentenced, they are convicted 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:24.240 of molesting a child here in Australia, Who among us 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:29.600 wouldn't want them deported immediately? You are here as a 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:33.200 massive privilege. We extend this to you. 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:34.440 You commit such. 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:38.240 A disgusting crime in our country and our judges are 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:43.160 told to let you slide. Hair raisingly, the latest figures 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:45.919 from federal data shows that over the last five years, 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:50.680 the number of visa cancelations due to child sex offenses dropped. 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:54.200 From one hundred and four to just twenty seven. 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:58.440 Now, have they just stopped molesting children or is it 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:02.440 because of advice life this which has only just been exposed, 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:05.719 But God only knows how long this has been The 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:11.559 current flowing underneath the sentences that haven't been given over 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:13.120 the last five years. 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:15.360 It is utterly disgusting. 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:18.560 And what we now need to know is who is 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:23.000 behind this, Who is handing down this advice, Who is 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:28.599 pushing this evil, evil advice on our own magistrates, whose 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:32.239 job it is to uphold the laws of the land, 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:37.599 our land and make sure that proper sentences, proper justice 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:43.200 is meeted out to non citizens molesting Australian children. 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:45.080 Is that asking for too much? 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:46.839 Well, it ought not be. 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:50.200 And the suggestion as well that you should give more 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:53.400 lenient sentence to drug traffickers so that they don't I mean, 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:57.280 you know, it is by design almost saying well, the 0:06:57.400 --> 0:06:59.919 law hasn't been changed to be as liberal as we 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:03.000 would like it to be, so we are asking you who. 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:06.440 Applies liberal in the first place. That is the crux 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:07.000 of the question. 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:10.600 Correct, nobody's answering just yet, But someone needs to get 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:14.720 hold of this and not unclench the jaw until we 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:18.760 have answers as to where did this come from and why, 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:21.920 because what you're essentially saying is we want to keep 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:24.920 immigrants here who sexually molest children. 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:27.040 That's not even an exaggeration. 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:31.760 That is a statement, a synopsis of exactly what's going. 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:32.920 On, And that's the most shocking part. 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:35.960 It's bad enough that they're saying treat non citizens more 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:37.560 leniently than citizens. 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:40.000 That should be an immediate no. 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:42.560 But the fact that they went so far as to 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:47.360 give an example of a sexual predator repeatedly sexually abusing 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:49.360 an eight year old and say you need to work 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:51.000 it so that this person is allowed to stay in 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:54.720 the country just shows how confident they are that they 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:56.840 have the judicial system in their grip and they can 0:07:56.880 --> 0:07:58.680 get away with this, or they're not even trying to 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:02.000 hide it or to tend the sinister nature of what 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:02.600 they're proposing. 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:05.920 Now, if you wonder why there is this disconnect between 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:08.360 the judiciary and the rest of us, it's because this 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:10.320 is what they're being told to do. 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:11.840 Now. Look, I don't know about you. 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:14.240 I kind of figure when you go to work at 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:15.800 the start of the day and you leave at the 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:17.960 end of the day, you ought to be judged on 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:21.120 the work you did during those hours. Are you actually 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:23.440 able to do your job properly? 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:23.640 Now? 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:26.040 Of course, in my line of work and our line 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:30.040 of work, Liz and James, etc. We deal in opinion, right, 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:32.800 so you're expecting me to say some things that may 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:36.280 be controversial or may spark your mind to think about 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:40.960 certain issues. But to Mansion, you're running a mining company Fortescue, 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:43.800 for instance. In this example, you would think the most 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:46.640 important thing is that you rock up to work every 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:49.680 day as CEO or co CEO in this case, that 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:53.440 you can run Fortescue effectively, in this case the energy 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:57.040 operations of Fortescue, and you can deliver a good dividend 0:08:57.320 --> 0:08:58.480 for your shareholders. 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:01.400 You'd think that would be the number one issue on 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:05.160 your mind. Apparently not, though, because it has come to 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:05.480 like that. 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:08.920 One of the co CEOs of Fortescue, Mark Hutchinson, as 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:11.640 i said before, he's in charge of the energy division, 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:14.959 recently became a few years ago became a director of 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:16.720 an outfit called Alpha International. 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:16.920 Now. 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:21.960 Alpha International is basically an evangelical education outfit. They run 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:27.120 seminars all over the world educating people on the Christian doctrine. 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:29.800 If you're interested in Christianity, you can go to a 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:33.600 church in Australia, in England, in the US, in hundreds 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:37.640 of nations across the world and learn about the scripture, 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:42.520 learn about the doctrine of Christianity. It preaches pretty mainstream 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:45.640 stuff from the Bible. But of course we know these 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:48.640 days that if you are a Christian, you come under attack, 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:51.800 and that is exactly what has happened to mister Hutchinson 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:55.400 because the AFAR reported last week about the fact that 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:59.319 him and his wife had become directors of Alpha International. 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:02.959 We at Fordescue were most upset with that and marched 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:05.200 off to Twiggy Forest, who owns Fortesque, to. 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:06.760 Say, what are you doing about this? 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:09.960 How could we possibly have a CEO who I don't 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:13.480 know believes in Christian beliefs in his spare time, as 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:16.920 though it had something to do with him running the company. 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:19.960 And of course Twiggy Forests went straight to water. 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:20.120 Didn't he. 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:22.920 And he issued this statement over the weekend to staff 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:26.560 saying I understand and acknowledge exactly what you felt, and 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:29.560 I thank you for bringing it to me. He said 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:32.360 in this note to stuff, I would like to reassure 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:36.280 you on behalf of our board, that we are resolutely 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:39.600 committed to the cause of equal rights. We expect and 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:43.599 require the same of our leadership. We deeply value Fordesqu's 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:48.760 LGBTQIA plus community. At a personal level, I stand with 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:52.520 you now. Fordesque as a company has been quite forthcoming 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:55.839 and outwardly proud of the fact that it supports the 0:10:55.960 --> 0:11:00.200 LGBTIQA plus community. They've even gone so far as to 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:02.959 paint up some of their trucks in rainbow colors. And 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:06.920 there's no suggestion that mister Hutchinson has at any point 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:10.240 stopped this from happening. But he still comes under attack 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:14.120 for what he does in his personal time, so he then, 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:17.560 of course is expected to issue an apology, which he 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:20.440 dutifully did. He said, after speaking with some of you 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:23.240 over the past few days, I'm aware that by failing 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:26.080 to clarify my views on same sex relationships in my 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:28.120 comments last week, that I have. 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:29.120 Let you down. 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:33.560 This was certainly not my intention, and I apologize unreservedly. 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:36.280 I wish to stay clearly that I am supportive of 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:39.679 everyone in a same sex marriage and same sex relationships 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:44.520 and value the LGBTQIA plus community. I believe that all 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:48.160 of us are recall and I accept and support every. 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:49.520 Member of our team. 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:53.359 No one knew otherwise, no one had ever said otherwise. 0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:56.480 There was no suggestion that mister Hutchinson in his role 0:11:56.760 --> 0:12:00.240 as CEO of Fortescue, had ever done anything to make 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:06.240 any LGBTQUIA plus member of Fortescue's staff feel uncomfortable. But 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:08.920 it comes to light that in his personal time he 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:12.800 is the director of a Christian organization and suddenly that 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:13.559 has some. 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:16.560 Bearing on his running of a mining company. 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:18.880 We see this time and again we sort with Andrew 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:24.920 Thorburn at Essendon Football Club, where your personal religious beliefs, 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:29.319 which have no bearing whatsoever on your day to day job, 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:34.280 somehow becomes an issue and it is nothing other than bigotry. 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:37.440 You're well within your rights to disagree with the CEO's 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:38.400 religious views. 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:41.480 But unless he's coming to work and saying you can't 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:43.640 work in this company here because you. 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:45.880 Are this or you are that, what bearing does it 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:46.600 have with his job? 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:49.040 This is a total witch hunt. This is a complete 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:50.360 and other winch hunt as. 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:53.200 It was with Thorburn what was it eighteen months ago? 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:58.200 Now the LGBTI community obviously not the whole community, but 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:01.880 there is genuinely some nun rusty people in there who 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:06.560 headhunt people like Hutchison and deliberately. 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:06.800 Go after him. 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:09.760 What is there to gain from this other than another 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:12.280 scalp on their wall. 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:13.719 This is why they do it. 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:16.760 They want to see you bow the knee to their 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:21.920 agenda instead of upholding your own beliefs. Now, Mark Hutchison 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:24.600 has obviously done this with a gun held to his head. 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:27.520 He has to do it otherwise, arguably he wouldn't have 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:29.520 got to keep his position. 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:32.040 So he's done what's asked of him. 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:37.120 But following this line of argument from those activists within 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:42.199 the LGBTQ community, who goes after people like him? Following 0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:46.560 that line of argument, then no company whoever flies a 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:51.480 rainbow flag should be employing, especially not in leadership positions, 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:57.400 any Christian, any Catholic, any Muslim individual, because you know 0:13:57.559 --> 0:14:00.959 what we believe, and like I keep saying, this comes up, 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:05.480 there's billions of us worldwide. We're not changing what we 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:08.520 believe for you. We answer to a much higher power. 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:11.960 Sorry, not sorry. And this kind of witch. 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:16.760 Hunt is they're only emboldened when they see people folds 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:17.280 like this. 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:19.680 It's very unfortunate that this is. 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:22.800 The site society we're now living in where it's this 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:26.760 easy to topple someone. Oh, this guy is a Christian, 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:28.920 that means he holds Christian beliefs. 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:31.760 That means we're targeted. You're not targeted. 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:35.600 You didn't even know until some nasty found this out 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:40.720 and decided to take him down. It's utterly disgusting. And 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:44.040 notice this is always a one way street. It's never 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:46.280 the Christians being like, oh, there's some people in the 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:50.080 OLGBTI community working in my company. 0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:51.000 They've got to go. 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:51.560 No. 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:55.640 We much like the Muslims, just like the Catholics, we 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:58.040 just want to be left the heck alone. 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:01.600 Okay. We get to think, to believe what we want 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:04.320 to believe, and there's nothing you can do about it. 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:05.440 No matter how many. 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:09.720 Scalps you get, whether it's Margaret Court Andrew Thorburn, it 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:11.760 doesn't achieve anything. 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:16.360 You can't change thousands of years of Orthodoxy period. 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:19.880 Wellman Andrew Forrest said that they're committed to LGBTQ right, 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:22.000 So I would just like to ask whose rights have 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:27.000 been violated by mister Hutchinson's beliefs. FORDESQ say they're committed 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:31.520 to diversity, especially sexual diversity. Fine, but they also say 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:34.400 they encourage people of diverse faiths to be part of 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:37.560 the company. Well, it's very difficult to have both of those. 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:41.520 If acceptance equals agreement. And that's the problem. We say, 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:45.360 you've got to accept everybody, But for me to accept 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:48.360 you means I have to agree with you. That's actually 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:51.160 not acceptance because I don't need to accept you if 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:54.000 I agree with you, it's a given. The reason I 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:56.640 accept you, and the reason it's kind is because I 0:15:56.720 --> 0:16:01.200 disagree fundamentally with you. But despite differences, I'm going to 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:03.440 treat you with dignity. I'm going to value you, I'm 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:05.000 going to befriend you. I'm going to be kind to 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:08.640 you and respectful despite the fact we differ. So acceptance 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:13.040 can't be based on agreement. Otherwise acceptance becomes meaningless. And 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:15.640 I think that's the problem here. Well, you don't accept 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:17.760 me because you don't agree with me. No, No, I 0:16:17.800 --> 0:16:19.800 accept you because I disagree with you. 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:20.720 That's why I. 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:23.720 Accept you, because I'm not going to hold our disagreement 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:26.520 against you. And the sooner we get that straight, the 0:16:26.560 --> 0:16:29.280 sooner we can live in peace rather than people demanding well, 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:31.840 if you don't believe what I believe, you're not accepting me. 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:34.400 Therefore you're somehow less of a human being as. 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:37.560 Truly, it's so easily flipped and just be like, excuse me, 0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:38.880 you're the one going after that. 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:39.920 Job, right exactly. 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:44.200 But it's the you raise the religious diversity thing here, 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:46.360 and this is what is the most annoying about it, 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:49.080 because of course Christians are an easy target because they 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:52.320 are the majority religion in Australia, right, so they feel 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:54.040 comfortable going after Christians. 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:56.320 This does not happen to Muslims. 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:59.720 And I'll use the example of in the NRL when 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:04.399 a number of Pacific Islander Christian men who were playing 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:07.560 further Manly c Eagles said that they didn't want to 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:10.960 play in a pride jersey and oh it was a hullaballoo. 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:12.800 How dare they do that? That's awful. 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:15.600 Now there is a woman who plays in the afl 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:19.119 W for GWS, a Muslim woman, and she has for 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:22.440 a number of years now sat out the afl w's 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:26.240 Pride round because she feels uncomfortable putting on a pride 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:28.000 jersey when she does it. 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:32.000 Oh that's fine. You're allowed to admits your religious beliefs, but. 0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:34.440 When a Christian does it, you can't possibly do that 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:37.560 because that's bigotry. We took about diversity like it's the 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:41.399 ultimate lack of diversity in these circumstances because we're saying 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:43.800 your view's okay and your view. 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:45.960 Isn't exactly well, I'll tell you a view that I 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:48.960 think is not okay, and that's the view of the Iranian. 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:53.680 Iranian ambassador to Australia. I'm wondering why he's still here. 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:57.560 A month ago, he referred to the now deceased leader 0:17:57.600 --> 0:18:02.480 of Hezbala Hassan Masrala, a remarkable leader and as a martyr. 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:05.520 This is a man who's responsible for car bombings, for 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:10.520 hostage taking, for bombings of embassies around the world, and 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:15.240 yet the Iranian ambassador in this country describes him as heroic. 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:18.160 That he was brought in by the Alberenezi government, given 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:22.200 addressing down and then sent back to his plush officers in. 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:24.119 Canberra, but he hasn't learned his lesson. 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:28.160 Over the weekend, he referred to Israel's strikes on Iran 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:32.240 as a terrorist act. He said this on x the 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:35.880 lawless Zionist enemy launched a terrorist attack on the sacred 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:38.520 territory of the Islamic Republic of Iran in a clear 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:42.800 violation of national sovereignty and international law. He went on 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:45.639 to say, in defending Iran's security for brave officers and 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:48.879 soldiers of the Iranian Army were martyred while countering the 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:52.399 aggressors attacks. These honored martyrs are eternally remembered by the 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:57.520 Iranian people. May their memory be cherished and their path followed. Now, 0:18:57.680 --> 0:19:01.520 back in August of this year, he referred to the 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:05.080 Israeli state as a Zionist plague that needed to be 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:08.760 wiped from the earth, which he described as a heavenly 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:14.439 and divine promise. So clearly he's invoking religion to inspire 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:17.320 people to wage war against the Jewish state until it 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:20.360 is completely arraised, and the Albanezy government has seen fit 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:23.720 to allow him to remain as the Irani ambassador here 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:26.800 in Canberra. I just don't know why he's not removed now. 0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:30.480 Of course he's just parroting what Iranians believe. But Petty 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:33.560 Wong has said that if you support Hezballah, you are 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:36.600 a danger not just to social cohesion but to the 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:40.560 safety of people. So why is the ambassador who promotes 0:19:40.640 --> 0:19:44.800 a terrorist regime allowed to remain. His job is to 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:47.840 speak on behalf of one government to the other, not 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:52.760 to make public pronouncements which then get into the civil dialogue. 0:19:52.800 --> 0:19:56.720 We've got enough social problems at the moment without the 0:19:56.760 --> 0:20:01.320 Iranian ambassador sitting in Canberra firing miss stirring things up. 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:01.639 Liz. 0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:02.800 Much like I. 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:05.320 Said when we were having a very similar conversation about 0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:10.520 the fact that he was mourning israela Hassan Israla, I 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:13.800 simply made the point of here we are taking umbridge 0:20:14.000 --> 0:20:17.520 with an Iranian being Iranian at such a time as this. 0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:20.720 I genuinely it boggles me when. 0:20:20.560 --> 0:20:22.879 We in the West hear me out, We in the 0:20:22.920 --> 0:20:25.639 West don't seem to understand that those in the Middle 0:20:25.680 --> 0:20:28.119 East genuinely see US. 0:20:28.560 --> 0:20:30.119 As the terrorists. 0:20:30.119 --> 0:20:32.600 And unfortunately it's not baseless if you look at what 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:34.440 we've done to Syria, Libya. 0:20:34.200 --> 0:20:35.520 Iraq, Afghanistan. 0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:40.040 These guys see US as the terrorists, as Israel as 0:20:40.080 --> 0:20:43.280 the US's proxy state, which again I mean the US 0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:45.280 is given more foreign aid to Israel than any other 0:20:45.320 --> 0:20:48.520 country under the Sun, over three hundred and ten billion dollars. 0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:53.400 So they they are speaking about us as they truly 0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:54.840 see us. And we knew this. 0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:57.399 They're rock and we said, but they're. 0:20:57.160 --> 0:20:59.000 Wrong, no, no, no, hear me out. 0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:03.520 We knew this when we said let's be buddies to 0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:07.120 the extent that we have an Australian ambassador in your 0:21:07.200 --> 0:21:10.879 country who recently got called in by their government because 0:21:11.160 --> 0:21:14.560 he expressed support for the LGBTQ community and you. 0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:17.800 Can't do that in Iran. What the heck was he thinking. 0:21:17.560 --> 0:21:19.520 He should come back from Iran and walk for Fortescue? 0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:20.919 Why not? 0:21:21.840 --> 0:21:23.320 But there you go. 0:21:23.640 --> 0:21:27.280