WEBVTT - Three Gold Logie nominees walk into a room… 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:03.240 Before we get into today's episode, a quick reminder that 0:00:03.279 --> 0:00:06.920 you can also watch this conversation on YouTube by tapping 0:00:06.960 --> 0:00:17.759 the link in our show notes. Hello and welcome to 0:00:17.800 --> 0:00:21.080 Something to Talk About the Stellar Podcast. I'm sarah La Marquin, 0:00:21.280 --> 0:00:23.760 your host, and every week I sit down with some 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:26.759 of the biggest names in the country because when Australia's 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:29.479 celebrities are ready to talk, they come to Something to 0:00:29.520 --> 0:00:34.280 talk about. Six of this year's seven Gold Logi nominees 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:38.360 have already made history because they are women, the most 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:42.159 ever nominated in a single year, and the nominee is 0:00:42.240 --> 0:00:46.320 vying for Australian TV's highest honor in August, including the 0:00:46.360 --> 0:00:49.920 Token Mail Hamish Blake, all happened to be over forty. 0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:53.559 On today's episode, I sit down with three of the 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:57.680 women who have been nominated for Gold and when Lynn McGranger, 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:02.080 Ali Langdon and Sonya Krueger walked into the Stellar Podcast studio, 0:01:02.560 --> 0:01:05.160 it didn't take long for the laughter and the real 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:06.640 talk to be whoever. 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:10.800 Doesn't win, we should all agree to burst into tears laughter. 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:15.160 Beauty, I don't sunrise. 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:21.479 Yes, if Hamish wins, we should all stand up. 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:26.000 Sonya, Ali and Lynn join me to discuss the big night, 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:29.480 who they really think will take the prize, and why 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:33.880 the competition between them is anything but. From red carpet 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:37.720 dilemmas and live television chaos to the truth about female 0:01:37.840 --> 0:01:40.440 rivalry and the joy of not having to play it 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:44.280 small anymore. This is a conversation with three women who 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:48.480 have survived and thrived in three very different corners of 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:54.280 a notoriously tough industry. Ali Langdon, Sonya Kruger, Lynn mcgrangel, 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:58.000 Welcome to the Stellar Podcast. Thank you for having so 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:03.640 three gold LOGI no manee walk into a studio, congratulate 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:05.200 many walk outs. 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:08.519 I just want to hear the punchline. I'm looking for you, 0:02:08.639 --> 0:02:09.280 the three of you. 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:11.760 For the punchline. You will fill in the blanks. So 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:14.520 you've walked into two studios today. You're here in the 0:02:14.639 --> 0:02:17.960 Stellar Podcast studio and you've just come from set of 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:20.560 the photo studio to get the amazing images that are 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:22.400 on the cover of Stella today. So can I start 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:25.920 by asking how well, if at all, the three of 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:28.560 you have known each other prior to today and this 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:31.920 little spending a day and an excursion with Stella. 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:35.160 Ali and myself haven't met, but Sonya and I go 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:38.040 back a bit, and we in fact did a did 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:40.880 a promo on Sunday and had a laugh and so, 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:43.880 and we've talked on the Red Carpet and obviously seen 0:02:44.200 --> 0:02:47.240 each other around the traps seven time now. 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:49.360 And Ali and I know each other from when I 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:51.959 was at nine, So yeah, I know I know both 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:53.079 ladies really well. 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:56.160 We've been around a while, three of us, haven't we. 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:58.160 I mean, you know. And that's and that's why I 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:03.680 had to keep thinking, Okay, it's in good point. 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:07.720 Ali, and I apologize in advanced lin if I say, look. 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:10.239 To it, darling, I get it all the time. It's 0:03:10.280 --> 0:03:12.480 like I said to the girls here earlier, I said, 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:14.520 how long how long do you have to be on 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:16.600 the bloody television before. 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:19.720 People know who your real name is? Know your real name? 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:23.160 But I get it. I understand it because people see 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:24.240 me as irene. 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:26.320 I also think it's a compliment. 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:32.760 Oom for what thirty thirty three three years? I would 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:34.760 I would lean into that. I think it is a 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:37.960 great compliment that that people feel they know you. 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:40.800 Thank you your character. Take with me. So next time 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:43.560 I abuse somebody, I'll go wait a minute. Ali told 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:46.600 me it's advice. 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:49.600 From Alie is always good. But of course, having said that, 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:52.840 Lean you are on screen at the moment still as Irene. 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:56.360 But you did actually film your final scenes early this year, 0:03:56.480 --> 0:04:00.320 so in the coming months Australia will be saying, for well, 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:02.800 we don't know how I mean, do not spill that. 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:04.800 I don't have to kill him. 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:12.680 To one, you know, you're sworn to secrecy obviously contractually. 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:16.080 Also you spoil you know, you don't want to spoil it. 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:19.080 It's a soap and you don't want to give away 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:22.440 the ending. But I'm very excited about it. I have, 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:27.200 and I proudly say that for once, the riders didn't 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:29.680 slam the door in my face and say and. 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:33.000 Stay out so she doesn't die. 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:36.320 Well, I didn't say that, well a kind of did 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:37.800 I Well, I don't know. 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:39.800 Did you know they. 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:45.600 Already sad In advanced that, Well, we have a lot 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:47.880 of emotion to get through before then, because we've all 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:49.800 got to get through Logi's knife. 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:53.360 Yes, one of them may, that's right. 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:56.480 Yeah, but just I went up with the storyline and 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:58.360 they they liked it. 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:02.640 They went with so you came up with, yes, it's 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:05.359 a fantastic which we great, you know, I was very 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:07.520 I just felt it was a story that needed to 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:09.960 be told and one that's very relevant. 0:05:10.040 --> 0:05:13.599 And they, for once, as I say, agreed and didn't 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:14.960 slam the door in my face. 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:19.080 So you know, stay in your own laneh. 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:18.520 There we go. 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:19.280 See, there we go. 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:22.560 Ali clarification slamming the door in the face not goodbye, 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:27.680 I was jumping again. No, that's great, that's really good. Well, 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:30.680 I genuinely cannot wait to see that. Thank you, love, 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:33.000 see if you get a writing credit as well. Gold 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:34.200 Loging nominee. 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:37.840 Doubt ideas ideas, girl. 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:42.120 There are seven nominees this year, and I am privileged 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:44.080 enough to be sitting down with three of them. One 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:46.960 of the reasons that the Logis this year have already 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:50.360 made history is because six of those seven Gold Logi 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:55.200 nominees are, of course women. Since the category became genderless 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:58.920 in nineteen seventy eight, that ten women have won the Gold. Now, 0:05:58.960 --> 0:06:01.080 some of those women did a few times, so it 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:03.400 might feel like there's been more of ten. Sonya Krueger, 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:06.840 of course you are one of them. Do these figures 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:10.440 still surprise you in twenty twenty five, You know, it's. 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:13.360 Really funny because somebody pointed that out to me after 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:16.200 the logis and because you know, you don't go back 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:17.880 and you don't look at the history of who's won 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:21.039 it and when and all of that, and it did 0:06:21.120 --> 0:06:25.120 surprise me. And I think what happened with this particular 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:30.360 group of nominations was it just highlighted the fact that 0:06:30.400 --> 0:06:34.080 there are some amazing women who work in this business. 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:38.280 We all have daughters, And for me, that was one 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:42.360 of the best parts about it was knowing that all 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:45.480 those little girls out there who might be watching TV 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:49.080 or looking for a career at some point in the 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:53.120 media in some way as an actor or a journalist, 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:56.280 whatever it might be, a presenter, that they could then 0:06:56.640 --> 0:06:59.159 aspire a little bit more to that because they see 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:02.400 women who were doing that and being recognized for that. 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:04.960 So that was probably the best part about it for me. 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:07.520 I think it's that recognition, isn't it That that is 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:09.560 really nice to see. And you look at the six 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:13.520 women and and how in the morning we had the breakfast. 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:18.920 Hamish was hilarious. He's just he's genuinely saying, don't vote 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:20.120 for me. This would be the worst thing in the 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:23.960 world if the one guy was the person to win it. 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:27.040 But you also look at all the different pathways that 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:30.160 each of us have to reach the point where we're at. 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:35.320 Is really nice to celebrate that. 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:37.920 The diversity in the past within the pathways. Yeah, Poe is. 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:41.640 There for a reason, Hamish is there, You're there as 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:45.000 a journal Lynn as an actor. Julia has done just 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:47.880 about everything I think, but you know, she's a comedian, 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:51.880 she's she's hilarious. And Lisa Miller is also you know, 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:54.400 breakfast she came through breakfast televisions on my phone. 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:54.920 Yeah. 0:07:56.760 --> 0:07:58.600 Can we just have that on the record that it 0:07:58.680 --> 0:07:59.520 is Sonya. 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:06.000 It's not lind to buy a case of beer, that's right. 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:09.200 If it rings again, will be a case of champagne 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:16.480 as well, exactly, and then snacks for anybody else's We 0:08:16.560 --> 0:08:18.520 know they call at least once a day, so it 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:21.960 was bound to happen, I'm sure. Well. Actually, still on 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:28.360 the category of your fellow Gold LOGI nominees mentioned Lisa Miller. 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:32.280 So Lisa has kindly submitted a question to ask. 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:36.280 To her three fellow gold log nominees. This is fair 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:41.480 before you said, this is lovely, that's right. 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:43.560 I asked her to ask the tough questions I didn't 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:45.200 want to ask I'm like, I'll be in the room 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:48.520 no no, before I roll out my own red carpet moment. 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:51.320 What colors are you all wearing? To the logis I'd 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:54.400 hate to clash when we could be a perfectly color 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:56.559 coordinated on simple cast. 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:01.080 Answer that if you don't know what, if you do what? 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:03.360 If you haven't actually worked it out. 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:06.600 You've got a short list. I haven't even had the 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:07.959 first conversation yet. 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:10.679 Okay, are you leaning towards the color? Do you think? 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:12.679 CALLI no, I can tell you what I'm going to 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:13.800 stay away from. 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:16.720 Yes, probably because I've done a lot of metallics, and 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:20.120 you know, like I think, if you're nominated for gold 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:22.760 and you wear gold, then you always get that whole 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:23.920 You've come. 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:24.760 Dressed as a gold. 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:27.600 This is all the things we need to listen to 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:28.400 at the first. 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:31.880 Silver is a bit the same, but I think silver 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:36.280 is a little bit more acceptable. You know, black is 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:40.000 beautiful but can be common as mark though, but it's 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:41.920 I mean, it can be classic and beautiful in the 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:43.559 red carpet, but then it's. 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:44.800 Television, so sometimes you. 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:46.080 Need color, I think. 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:50.120 So for me, I don't like to wear black because 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:55.120 I gravitate towards color white. I will find the nearest 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:58.600 piece of beet trout where the out fail, or the 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:00.240 nearest glass of red wine. 0:10:04.360 --> 0:10:05.640 There was one I had a cream. 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:10.280 I have picked my color, and I don't mind saying 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:18.400 it is called citrine, which is like to me, it's tumoric. 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:22.120 So it's like, it's not mustard, it's not yellow. It's 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:24.920 got a bit of a sine. It's not gold, but 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:30.040 it is like a yeah, it's a yellow, shiny, yellowy 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:33.960 mustard color, but they call it citrine. You match some 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:37.920 jewelry with that, well, I like, I'd like to do 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:42.280 the uh, you know, the contrast. So I'd like to 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:48.199 do maybe a cobalt blue with it, or maybe a yes. 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:48.880 A pink. 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:51.359 I do like the contrast. 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:55.800 So I really gravitate towards color. Looking a bit dull today. 0:10:55.600 --> 0:11:00.120 This is actually the fun part, like the whole And 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:02.240 I think when you work with people who are in 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:06.520 fashion or stylists, they really love to pull it all together, 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:10.400 the look, the color of your manicure, you know, the jewelry, 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:12.160 the bag, the whole, all of that. 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:12.720 The shoe. 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:14.280 The shoes are always uncomfortable. 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:16.280 What can we say, because I just sort of lean 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:18.840 into that so like of this beautiful styless Beck Wilson, 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:21.120 who's coming And I've just kind of handled all it 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:22.000 like if you left it to me. 0:11:22.400 --> 0:11:25.120 I am wearing ug boots right now this chat. 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:28.920 I would probably wear ugg boots to the logies And 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:31.520 I'm still trying to vibe. Can I wear a sneaker? 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:34.120 But that's Julie Morris's look, so you can't steal that. 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:34.720 So I don't know. 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:36.960 I just this one. I go, I know my lane 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:40.400 and this ain't Malay, yes, So I'm just handing it, 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:41.360 handing it over. 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:41.880 See. 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:44.080 I always wanted to cast it Home and Away to 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:46.760 all turn up in their pajamas. 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:47.200 Just everybody. 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:50.640 If everybody did it, brought a pillow, turned up in 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:52.960 their charmys, no one would better know it. 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:55.320 If you did it by yourself, you. 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:58.280 Know, they would call the you know, the funny wagon 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:00.800 and have you cart it off. But if you did 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:04.160 it as a cast, you could set a train that 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:06.920 is warm and comfy, and given how long. 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:08.040 The ceremony he's going to. 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:16.240 That when you're falling asleep up for this show is 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:17.960 of the cast of Home and Away. 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:19.600 There sleep under the table. 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:21.920 Has anyone brought into that idea. 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:25.840 Of your because everyone always wants to get fancy. There's 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:29.720 always someone that goes, no, well, I've got this frock 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:30.120 to wear. 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:32.439 I want to wear this designer. 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:37.880 It's like, oh, party pooper, I just want to wear Matage. 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:45.160 In citri tho citrine. It sounds like a monologue that 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:48.239 Meryl Streep's character would give the devil. 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:50.640 Citrin in that shape. 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:58.360 Another of your fellow gold Logging nominees has also submitted 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:02.200 a question, what do you think our three characteristics which 0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:06.280 have given you longevity in the industry? Luck is not 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:11.000 acceptable as an answers, That's not me. 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:17.840 I'll tackle because I'm the longevitis here. I would say 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:20.120 still breathing is a good one. 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:24.520 I feel like that's in the same category's lucky. 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:29.520 Yeah, look, I think you know, being serious with home 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:33.839 and away, I think the writing has it just keeps 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:38.679 on keeping on and keeping people's interests. I think that 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:43.880 that the happy medium between hanging on to the ogs 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:50.520 and getting new and fun cast in passing through to 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:53.720 keep up the young one's interest is a big one. 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:56.640 And so yeah, the writing and I think you know, 0:13:56.800 --> 0:14:01.320 really production production values have just increased and improved so 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:06.680 much over the years. So personally, I still think it's 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:11.560 probably because I'm still breathing, and I guess the character 0:14:12.240 --> 0:14:15.679 has been able to I've been able to, you know, 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:18.800 massage the character over the years and turn her from 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:21.760 a nasty piece of work who was an alcoholic who 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:25.560 tried to throttle her kids to being, you know, to. 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:27.720 Being an every mum in a way. 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:31.840 And for her super objective, to being just taking in 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:36.520 waves and strays and trying to make life easier for 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:41.600 younger members of the cast. So mix all that together, Poe, 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:43.520 and there's your answer. 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:44.960 Alie, what about for you? 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:48.080 Look, I think at the heart of it, you've got 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:51.000 to have a good sense of humor. Just surviving media 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:55.240 this long. You go about to laugh and you know 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:57.920 there there are so many talented people in this industry 0:14:58.080 --> 0:15:01.480 work with. For me, I just it's just working hard. 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:05.560 It's working hard and being authentic. So I think have 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:08.560 a sense of humor, be yourself because people can see 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:12.600 through it, and just work bloody hard. 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:15.160 Now I think, yeah, Ali totally nailed it. 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:15.760 You know. 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:17.000 That's why I went before you. 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:21.400 Yeah, because I'll add a couple. I think resilience is 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:24.200 important because I think sometimes in the media you ride 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:26.120 a bit of a wave, don't you know. You have 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:31.200 your ups and your downs, and working hard, definitely collaborating 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:35.160 and collaborating with people that you know that you work 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:38.880 well with, because we're not as silent, We don't operate 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:41.520 as individuals in what we do. We have teams of 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:45.000 people that we work with, and I think it's loving 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:47.640 the people that you work with, gets the best product 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:49.400 at the end of the day, and not taking any 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:52.000 of it too seriously, as Ali said, having a sense 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:55.320 of humor. You know, we're not curing cancer where you know, 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:59.520 we're providing entertainment or news or a service of some kind. 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:03.440 So yeah, I think longevity is a great word and 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:07.040 great question I think from Poe because two aspects I 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:09.760 think that have made news or been interesting and given 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:13.840 a lot of women, especially optimism about the state of 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:17.680 the industry and representation in the Australian media. In twenty 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:21.040 twenty five, in seeing six of the Gold Logi nominees 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:23.960 being women, is it actually also all of the women 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:26.760 and Hamish I will say, are all over forty. Now 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:29.280 that actually sounds quite young, depending of course, to how 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:31.920 old the person listening watching. 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:35.840 Reading is, but I like it all. 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:38.320 I'd love to ask each of you about in the 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:40.880 course of your career and your own observations. Also as 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:44.320 a media consumer, do you think that the reality of 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:48.280 longevity of a career and visibility of women, oh my gosh, forty, 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:52.720 God for fifty, sixty, seventy is getting better than when 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:55.480 it was and really not that long ago when we go, 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:58.560 oh my gosh, she turned thirty. I guess it's behind 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:00.160 the camera for you now. 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:00.320 Do you know? 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:04.240 It's funny you should ask that because I was thinking 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:09.240 about this the other day. About maybe ten twenty years ago, 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:12.880 there was a whole thing about women over fifty being invisible, 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:15.480 and in a way I started to feel it a 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:19.359 bit myself, just because you're surrounded by this bevy of 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:22.520 beauties on the show, and at that point I was 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:27.000 the oldest woman. What am I saying now, Colin Lynn 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:29.240 Colin was always older than me, but she didn't like 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:32.760 she wasn't around for that long. But I suppose in 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:34.879 the scheme of things, I've always been the oldest woman 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:35.400 on the show. 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:36.560 But it seems to me. 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:42.239 The older I've got, the more visible I've become. And 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:45.880 I thought isn't that interesting that it? And it seems 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:50.040 to be happenings. And I think it's evident with the 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:55.200 age range that we've got with the Logi's nominees, and 0:17:55.720 --> 0:18:00.160 it's like we're no longer invisible. And I think think 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:04.880 there's people like Meryl Streep and Susan Sarandon and Maggie 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:10.040 Smith and Helen Mirren and all of those wonderful, wonderful, 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:15.640 you know, seasoned actors, actresses that we have to thank 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:20.320 for that that no longer I don't feel invisible anymore 0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:23.159 at all. But you know what, twenty years ago, I 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:27.600 was starting to feel invisible. So I think was that 0:18:27.640 --> 0:18:28.880 the answer to the question you want? 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:31.320 So there it goes to you've got that next generation 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:33.640 coming up and seeing you in that role and you're 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:35.720 that role model. Yes, And I look at it, you know, 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:38.199 from a news perspective, and like, you know, talking to 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:42.480 when Tracy Grimshaw celebrated her forty years in television and 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:45.920 I'm saying, this fabulous night was at the Opera House 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:48.320 and she was talking about it that night about how 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:50.359 you know she's got this great career and it was 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:52.920 in her twenties. It's like, Okay, a thirty, someone's probably 0:18:52.920 --> 0:18:54.680 going to tap me. And then then all of a sudden, 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:56.399 I get to fifty and then you know, then you know, 0:18:56.760 --> 0:18:57.720 then you sort of keep going. 0:18:57.760 --> 0:18:59.480 It's like maybe I'm not going to get the tap. 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:04.480 Whereas we've always watched these you know, these esteemed fabulous 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:08.800 male colleagues go forever and then you but we now 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:12.639 you now see that and as you say, everybody in 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:16.800 this category being over the age of forty, and you know, 0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:18.520 as we always say, you can only be what you 0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:21.479 can see, and you can see and it's not that weird, 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:23.280 no anything. 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:24.479 And the audience wants to see it. 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:27.720 They do because I think experience counts for something now 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:32.520 and that's what they are looking for and wanting, you know, 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:35.879 to hear from people who have had some life experience, 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:41.080 some layers. And it's a phenomenon not just in Australia, 0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:43.240 but you do see it overseas now when you switch 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:46.200 on the television. So I think it's a global thing 0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:50.200 where women are, yeah, their careers in the media and 0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:54.400 television have are extending and extending and it's a great. 0:19:54.160 --> 0:19:59.320 Thing absolutely, And I think too the aging population, particularly 0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:02.840 here in Austraia. I mean I you know, I have 0:20:03.080 --> 0:20:06.200 many friends who are you know, five years either side 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:11.440 of my age, which is a very young fifty no, no, no, no. 0:20:11.160 --> 0:20:13.200 I'm joking about. It's a lot older than that. 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:19.520 But I feel like because of that, as Sonya just 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:25.879 pointed out, people gravitate to those people who are around 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:29.159 the same age as as some sort of role model. 0:20:29.520 --> 0:20:34.040 That that almost an admiration of Wow, these guys have 0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:38.600 gone gone through the invisible stage and come out the 0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:42.320 other side. And that is a I think, a real 0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:45.640 pat on the back for all of us, really, all 0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:48.080 of us who are over the age of forty. 0:20:48.200 --> 0:20:49.960 And it's not even it was it was so nice 0:20:50.000 --> 0:20:51.919 all being in that room together and even doing the 0:20:51.920 --> 0:20:54.120 shoot this morning where you know, and it was it's 0:20:54.200 --> 0:20:57.480 very fun today and doing doing doing our thing, and 0:20:57.520 --> 0:20:59.880 it's like, okay, it's not like you're serious. I want 0:20:59.920 --> 0:21:02.720 to when the gold to like, you know, you knock 0:21:02.800 --> 0:21:05.520 the person out besides you. And every time they tried 0:21:05.560 --> 0:21:08.359 to make us be serious or you know, one of 0:21:08.440 --> 0:21:12.520 us would laugh and there you just there is there 0:21:12.560 --> 0:21:15.840 is a lovely sense. There is kindness and camaraderie in 0:21:16.680 --> 0:21:18.680 this sort of this group. You know, when they're trying 0:21:18.720 --> 0:21:21.919 to make us be competitive. None of us had a 0:21:22.000 --> 0:21:24.560 in a I do in a work sense, you know, 0:21:25.520 --> 0:21:28.080 you know when it comes like chasing a story in 0:21:28.160 --> 0:21:30.439 that way. But in regards to this, it just feels 0:21:30.560 --> 0:21:34.199 entirely different. And it's just it's a lovely ride with 0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:39.200 just some really really extraordinary women and Hamish it's. 0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:41.719 So lovely too, isn't Because it's also that narrative of 0:21:41.840 --> 0:21:44.600 being competitive and very good at what you do and 0:21:44.680 --> 0:21:47.399