WEBVTT - The Rita Panahi Show | 21 October 0:00:02.759 --> 0:00:07.200 On scorn lids Australia. This is the Reader Panekey Show. 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:11.400 Good evening and welcome to the Rita Panekey Show. I'm 0:00:11.520 --> 0:00:16.040 Danikiti Giorgio coming up tonight. Mus leader Yaya Sinowa labeled 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:20.720 a legendary martyr during a Sydney pro Palestine rally. Australia's 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:25.880 top university is accused of compromising standards to accommodate bign students. 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:29.040 Claire Rowe will join us with the latest. 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:32.879 Donald Trump serves up prize and McDonald's Alex Steine is 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:36.320 standing by to give us his take on the publicity stunt. 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:40.479 Kinsey Schofield will join us to discuss Usher's endorsement of 0:00:40.560 --> 0:00:45.040 Carmela Harris and Wyatt's being linked to Diddy and of 0:00:45.120 --> 0:00:49.280 course left He's losing it, including those devoid of joy 0:00:49.920 --> 0:01:07.280 try and find a new tactic to up find joy. 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:11.400 Joining me now is Sky News contributor Gary Hardgrave. Gary 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:13.560 good to see you, Thank you for joining me. I 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:17.520 want to start firstly with the Kamas leader Yahya Sinwa, 0:01:17.640 --> 0:01:20.440 being called a legendary martyr who. 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:21.520 Died a warrior's death. 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:24.760 Now, this was during a pro Palestine rally in Sydney's 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:25.959 CBD yesterday. 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:28.920 Have a listen to this in his tick he. 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:35.200 Became a legend, a legend to be child gentes freet Sorry, listen, 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:38.760 jeez by jeez by your resist. 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:42.000 Around the way and now have a look at this 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:45.080 from a Sydney conference at the weekend with activists for 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:48.360 his Butteria, a listed terror group of course overseas. 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:50.280 One of the speakers, Sheik. 0:01:50.080 --> 0:01:53.600 Ibrahim Dadoun, told those gathered, Islam will dominate. 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:59.280 Victory is coming, and you are not in Shahlah because 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:00.880 we love a love, we love his prophet. 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:03.360 We are on that path to victory. 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:06.720 We are on that path of the civilizational struggle where 0:02:06.720 --> 0:02:09.160 we're going to see Islam dominate. 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:13.600 And here was that same man on the streets of Sydney. 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:16.560 Right after October seven's attack last year. 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:21.840 Smiling and I'm happy, I'm his Adan. 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:30.720 It's a day of courage. 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:34.639 Gary. 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:37.359 We've seen a lot of this rhetoric in Australia since, 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:40.320 of course the October seven massacre. But how did we 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:43.520 get to a point where people are openly calling the 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:44.919 leader of hamas a. 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:50.079 Warrior Well, A complete lack of leadership's part of the problem. 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:53.120 Deniko the Prime Minister Sillis and worked out which way 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:54.120 to go on any of this. 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:54.840 What happened on. 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:58.600 October nine last year, two days after October seven at 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:01.480 the Opera House was just the edge of what now 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:04.079 is a big wedge in Australia. But look, you know, 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:06.919 let's just put this into some context. Most Muslims, and 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:09.680 I've got a lot of Muslim friends, they're horrified by this. 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:12.240 They want leadership from the Prime Minister, and they want 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:15.440 new leadership within the Islamic communities. 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:17.000 And it's a very very. 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:22.200 Multicultural group of people, the Islamic communities of Australia. And 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:26.919 the odd cleric that's talking like this and people making 0:03:26.960 --> 0:03:30.720 these sorts of outrageous comments, they're just not helping everyday Muslims. 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:32.760 We're just trying to get on with their life, build 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:36.360 around faith, family, food and being part of Australia. So 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:39.440 you know, they're being badly defamed and Islam is being 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:43.000 misrepresented by these people. So we've got to stay a 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:45.760 bit calm and carry on. But the lack of leadership 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:47.960 by the Prime Minister is a big thing, and the 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:50.680 lack of good leadership among some of those who say 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:53.800 they're the leaders of the Islamic communities of Australia. They're 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:56.680 not helping the course, they're creating a lot of schism 0:03:56.720 --> 0:03:59.000 we do not need in Australia right now or at 0:03:59.000 --> 0:03:59.440 any time. 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:02.560 Are You're completely right? And it's been from the very beginning. 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:05.680 There's been a lack of leadership and here we are today. 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:06.520 Now. 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:10.680 I want to turn to the upcoming Queensland election. Exclusive 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:14.400 polling by The Courier Mail reveals that Queensland is divided, 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:18.359 with the Premier, Stephen Miles, holding an overwhelming majority in 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:21.400 one part of the state, while David Chrisofoolly dominates in 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:25.880 the regions. Now, the Premier's personal popularity is thirty six percent. 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:29.880 That's one point below mister Chris fall is at thirty 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:30.640 seven percent. 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:33.760 Gary, How are you feeling about this? Are you confident 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:34.040 that the. 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:37.240 Liberals could actually get this over the line on Saturday? 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:39.479 No? 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:42.360 Not, And I think it's reasonable to say that the 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:44.680 trend is not David Chrisofooley's friend. 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:46.480 The more people see. 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:48.640 Him, the less they like him, and a lot of 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:52.600 what he's been saying completely missing the opportunity to bring 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:56.040 people with him. He's holding back, He's not telling people, 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:59.520 not exposing the real set of policies that he's got, 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:01.240 because no one really knows. He only wants to talk 0:05:01.279 --> 0:05:03.880 about four things. But there's nothing, none of the basic 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:09.440 stuff about Labour's budget blowouts and their misappropriation of taxpayer 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:12.080 funds on all sorts of boondoggles. He's missed a lot 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:14.400 of opportunities through this campaign and it's not been a 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:18.160 good campaign. It's almost been a Seinfeld campaign from him, 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:20.880 you know, a campaign about absolutely nothing. He wants to 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:24.040 talk about four things, four things only. But when it 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:26.360 comes to crime, that's the stock standard. When it comes 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:29.360 to ambulance ramping, that's the stock standard. At a time 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:32.120 when we've got building companies going broke in the middle 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:34.280 of a housing crisis, it's got to be about government 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:36.680 red tape that's causing a lot of those problems, cash 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:39.520 flow and so forth. Nothing, nothing at all other than 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:41.000 more government mechanisms. 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:42.200 You've got to be joking. 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:45.920 And I just think he's missed a whole lot of opportunity. Anyway, 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:49.080 have any different view with the Labor Party when it 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:51.680 comes to renewable energy and the reliance on that, whereas 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:54.239 we've got this beautiful black stuff in the ground called coal. 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:56.640 It used to give us the cheapest electricity in the 0:05:56.680 --> 0:05:59.880 world here in Coinsland. Now we're amongst the most expensive. 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:02.560 Nothing on it cricket. So I think a lot of 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:06.839 people are pretty disappointed. Younger people, people aged under fifty 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:10.719 are sticking with Labor. People over fifty are sticking with 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:14.719 the Liberal National Party. I think it could go anyway, Daneka, 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:15.640 anyway at all. 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:19.479 Yeah, Look, it's an interesting analysis and we will await 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:21.040 Saturday's result. 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:22.680 Now you mentioned housing there. 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:27.760 Big business is calling for a massive reform mechanism to 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:30.359 try and fix the housing crisis in this country. The 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:34.680 Business Council of Australia has made twenty nine recommendations targeting 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:40.120 regulatory changes, changes to planning approvals processes, zoning, as well 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:43.919 as heritage management. Gary look. Housing is a key issue 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:46.880 obviously across the country. People can't afford to buy, they 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:50.839 can't afford to rent. Big policy shifts the ultimate solution. 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:54.400 Absolutely they are. 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:57.799 I mean, why is it that people say, of your age, 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:00.520 you're younger than Mednika. I'm having an it that it 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:02.760 wouldn't be hard to work that out. Why is it 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:05.599 that you can't access your superannuation and use that as 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:09.280 an asset to purchase, say through a deposit, your first home. 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:11.239 Why is it that we've got to lock up twelve 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:14.360 percent of our wages into the hands of mainly union 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:17.800 based superannuation funds on the promise that maybe by the 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:20.040 time you have something near seventy you'll be able to 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:23.080 access it. That we have got a real problem, a 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:27.760 regulatory burden that is driving business companies building companies into 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:33.080 bankruptcy because the cost of burden through government red tape, 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:35.640 green tape, blue tape, black tape, blue tape is the 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:39.440 United Nations inspired stuff. The Business Council is right though 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:41.120 they've been asleep at the wheel for most of the 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:42.560 last twenty years on this stuff. 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:44.240 They've allowed this to happen. 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:47.840 We've got to get government out of our lives. Delete 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:50.720 the red tape, delete all of this various tape, and 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:53.960 trust people and release land and allow people to get 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:56.880 on with building. Why is it that we've got this problem. 0:07:56.920 --> 0:07:59.480 It's too much government intervention. And what does the government say, 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:01.480 let us been a bit more and we'll fix it. 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:04.680 They cause the problem in the first place. So that's 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:06.640 the sort of change we need in my view. 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:10.520 Absolutely it's time for some big, bold changes. We need 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:13.680 our leaders as well to say yep, it's time now. Look, 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:17.840 the Commonwealth Bank has promised to reverse duplicate transactions after 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:22.800 refund fees and a major glitch caused many affected customers 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:26.560 actually to get duplicates, which is extraordinary. Gary, were you 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:28.040 at all impacted here? 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:31.000 No? 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:34.520 I wasn't. I don't bank with them. I bank with 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:37.640 the best of the big bad four. But look, I 0:08:37.640 --> 0:08:39.880 mean every bank has its problems from time to time. 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:41.360 We're so susceptible to. 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:44.960 Everything cyber related, aren't we, And so we still have 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:46.400 to tidy up all this stuff. 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:47.640 They don't want us to use cash. 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:50.200 They want us to rely on bank transactions and swipe 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:52.720 our mobile phones and all these sorts of things. 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:54.440 But cash still remains king. 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:56.920 And I don't understand this whole push and shove to 0:08:56.920 --> 0:08:59.400 get us away from cash. They want to charge us 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:01.959 more every time time we use the transaction cards or 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:05.400 a mobile phone or whatever for a transaction. And that's 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:07.760 kind of fair enough, of course, it discloses it, but Donika, 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:11.800 cash is still king. And the banks have got to 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:14.760 get back to some of those back up paper copies 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:16.840 of stuff They don't want that though. It's all just 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:19.559 too hard because it relies on too many people in 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:23.160 the whole process. But no, no, it's their term this 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:24.840 week going to be somebody else's next week. 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:27.719 I fear that's the problem with this technology. But you're right. 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:31.679 This is why cash is still so important in our society. Now, 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:34.600 the Victorian Premier descent to Alan, has united with the 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:37.920 opposition in knocking back a bold plant and trial a 0:09:38.160 --> 0:09:42.240 four day work week to address the state's shortage and teachers. 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:42.520 Now. 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:46.479 This comes after a research paper by Monash University recommended 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:49.960 trialing a four day work week for teachers to better 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:52.880 meet the needs of staff and students. 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:54.760 Gary, would you support this? 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:58.360 I mean, look, teachers are unfortunately, they're struggling to get 0:09:58.400 --> 0:09:59.320 teachers right now. 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:01.040 Is this the only solution? 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:04.120 Well, no, it's not. 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:07.160 It's rewarding good teachers with a bigger pay packet would 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:08.880 be the answer. The trouble is too much of the 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:13.280 teaching profession relies on time served for advancement and you 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:15.920 get a bigger pay when you leave the classroom and 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:18.719 take on admin roles. If we actually said we want 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:21.319 to pay master teachers a high wage as a career 0:10:21.400 --> 0:10:23.920 path that involves them still teaching, and then you've got 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:25.800 to back the teachers when they're in the classroom. With 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:29.679 too many people in education systems being subjected to bullying 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:33.280 by parents, by kids, and the system itself, you know, 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:34.400 they're so under rewarded. 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:35.880 I saw a suggestion in. 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:38.000 The United States over the weekend, and maybe some of 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:40.600 the great public servants were short on and I'm talking 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:44.000 about frontline people like police, like nurses, like teachers. Maybe 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:46.560 we've got to give them a different tax treatment. Maybe 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:49.120 we've got to give them a tax free incentive to 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:51.160 stay there. Maybe we've got to find a way to 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:53.840 pay them to be good at what they do, rather 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:56.360 than just simply say, oh, you're all the same. And 0:10:56.400 --> 0:10:58.360 the longer you stay, whether you're a good teacher or 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:01.600 a bad teacher, you'll get paid more. Teaching's a tough profession. 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:05.280 Schools are tough places. It shouldn't be like this, But 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:09.360 you know, we're not rewarding the great teachers the science 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:11.760 in English and maths heroes that we want to pass 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:14.880 on knowledge from them to others. We're just not rewarding 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:16.559 them well enough. And we need to do better. 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:19.000 Absolutely, that's so true. 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:22.600 Now as we know their majesties, King Charles and Queen Camilla, 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:25.640 they're in the country and we saw that wonderful vision 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:29.120 of them yesterday, delighting fans in Sydney. And King Charles 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:33.920 has also been recognized with prestigious honorary rankings. Gary, How 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:36.920 wonderful has it been to see a raining monarch down 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:37.720 under again? 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:39.960 Yeah? 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:43.080 It's what thirteen years since her late majesty was here 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:46.680 and I remember that fondly. I admit on about five 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:50.640 occasions over the years, Denika, and it sits pright a 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:53.400 place in my household photos that I have with her 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:57.280 when I was presented. You know, these visits are really important. 0:11:57.320 --> 0:12:00.400 They remind us that, as somebody once said, you can 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:02.640 only believe the royal family if you can actually see them, 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:04.080 so to see us as to believe us. 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:07.480 I think her late Majesty's attributed with that. But you know, it's. 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:10.079 Interesting about the awards and the honors and stuff. People 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:15.360 made great play about Tony Abbott giving a knighthood an 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:18.600 Australian Order a knighthood and they. 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:19.240 Sent him up for it. 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:21.880 But King Charles is in Parliament House, been in Parliament 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:23.720 House today and What's he got around his neck the 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:26.600 knighthood he was given by Bob Hawk in nineteen eighty eight. 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:29.400 So you know, there's nothing new in members of the 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:33.360 royal family being conferred these honors. King Charles is now 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:36.720 the head of the Order of Australia. The Governor General 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:39.520 does the day to day stuff, but he's got the 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:43.800 knighthood around his neck as he's walking around Parliament House 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:46.720 and nobody's picked up on it. Maybe this is the 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:50.360 first program too, but that's the reality. What Tony Abbott 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:53.760 did those years ago. Nothing unusual with anything. Her late 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:57.040 Majesty had a dame hood as well, conferred back when 0:12:57.080 --> 0:13:01.840 the Order first started, way back in nineteen eighty four 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:04.520 or thereabouts, was it nineteen seventy five, don't know whenever, 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:08.160 it was long time ago, Danika, and I guess it's 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:10.720 great to see it's great to see King Charles here 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:12.880 with his case around his neck. 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:15.120 Oh look, I completely agree. 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:19.199 And look, you know, unfortunately there've been protests surrounding his visit, 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:22.000 the pro Palestine movement, the Aboriginal movement. 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:22.920 But I want to. 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:26.040 Show you this Gary because directly following the conclusion of 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:29.079 the King's speech at the royal reception in Canberra today, 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:32.840 Lydia Thorpe launched into a tirade in an attempt to 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:34.280 disrupt the event. 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:47.840 Have a look at this kind of signed against our people. 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:49.160 Get up our. 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:50.400 Landback, give us my. 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:54.880 New style from us, our bones, our scar, our baby 0:13:55.720 --> 0:14:11.520 people treating in this country. 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:17.360 Oh my god, Gary, that is I'm actually appalled and 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:20.200 I'm embarrassed that the monarchy have had to witness that. 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:21.920 What's your immediate reaction. 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:26.360 I shouldn't say it was an ak not a KC 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:29.360 around his neck. I'm just correcting myself, But Danika, look, 0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:32.400 numpties have got a numpty and people have a right 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:35.600 to be stupid, and Lydia thought makes full use of 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:38.600 her rights on most days of the week. But look 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:43.360 the royal couple were afforded were afforded about five welcomes 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:45.840 to country on Nunawhah Land around Canberra today. 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:48.120 I don't know what they're on about. I really don't. 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:49.040 It doesn't help. 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:52.320 No, it doesn't help you. Spot on. Gary Hardgrave, great 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:53.160 to speak with you as. 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:56.480 Always, Thank you so much for joining us. Joining me 0:14:56.520 --> 0:14:59.880 now is child an adolescent psychologist and Sky News country 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:02.880 Claire Row Claire thank you for joining me. I want 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:06.120 to start with this story about the top universities who 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:09.880 have been accused of lowering academic and English standards in 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:16.400 once prestigious master's degrees as postgraduate courses at Sandstone institutions 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:20.160 become increasingly dominated by international students. This is according to 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:24.920 nine newspapers. They're saying that popular postgraduate business, engineering and 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:27.960 media subjects at Sydney and Melbourne Universities as well as 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:32.760 unsw can have more than ninety percent foreign enrollments, mostly 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:33.480 from China. 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:35.160 Claire. This is pretty bad. 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:40.240 If universities are in decompromising standards to accommodate foreign students, what. 0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:42.680 Does it say about the state of the sector. 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:47.320 Well, it says that they rely very, very heavily, don't 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:52.160 they on the fee paying international students. I'm not surprised 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:54.240 by it. I think I was a little surprised just 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:58.440 the numbers some of these courses. We have ninety percent 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:02.000 of international students, say in a lecture, in a tutorial, 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:06.000 where ten percent of local students are now spending their 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:11.480 time as kind of quasi teachers tutors helping them, reiterating instructions. 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:14.480 And of course, you know, I think a lot of 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:16.360 university based teaching. 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:18.600 Now is group assignments and. 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:22.880 Group assessment work, and that also is fundamentally a problem 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:24.840 if you're in a group of students who a lot 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:30.520 of them can't speak English. It's really becoming at a 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:34.640 point where I think the universities essentially are selling the degrees. 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:35.840 Are they They're a product? 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:38.800 I mean, these international students come over here and they 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:39.440 purchase the. 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:41.520 Degree, and it doesn't. 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:44.320 Seem to be that then we're holding up the academic 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:47.840 rigor you, so you have to kind of question what 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:50.400 the degree is worth. But I actually would go further 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:54.400 and say that I think that the slipping academic standards 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:57.680 for universities are in courses that don't necessarily have a 0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:03.520 large international comp I mean, I see graduates coming out 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:06.720 that I employ and are really struggling with the basics 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:10.879 of grammar and English and writing. And I think you 0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:14.040 don't really fail university degrees as long as you. 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:15.280 Hand stuff in, do you. 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:17.760 I mean, it seems to be that the past rate. 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:21.040 Everyone passes through. So it's a big issue. 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:25.520 And you know, international students, perhaps they need a separate 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:30.240 course or a separate group where local students have their 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:32.600 own group I'm not sure, but I think we need 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:33.520 to rethink of it. 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:36.120 Yeah, I think so too, very much. 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:36.280 So. 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:39.239 Now this is interesting because a new South Wales ban 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:42.880 on mobile phones and schools has been near universally hailed 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:46.640 as a success by almost one thousand school leaders one 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:49.199 year on. This was according to a survey by the 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:52.679 Department of Education of primary and high school principles. It 0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:56.520 found that ninety five percent actually supported the ban and 0:17:56.680 --> 0:18:01.080 eighty seven percent say it has reduced classroom distract actions. Claire, 0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:04.200 are you surprised by how well this has gone? 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:07.840 No, of course not. This is no surprise at all. 0:18:07.920 --> 0:18:11.719 We should have never really allowed mobile phones into school. 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:14.840 I mean this should have been done years ago. We 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:19.280 know absolutely that mobile phones for adults as well. You 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:24.040 know the distractability that they provide when we're trying to work. 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:27.959 If you get distracted by notifications, even if it's vibrating 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:30.359 or buzzing in your pocket and you have a quick 0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:33.280 look at it, on average, we know research shows us 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:36.040 that it takes up to twenty minutes to get back 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:39.399 into focusing on the work that you were previously doing. 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:44.040 It's constant distractions and a huge source to of kids 0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:46.119 not socializing and interacting. 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:47.040 So no common sense. 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:49.080 It was never going to be any other way, and 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:52.240 mobile phones gone should not be in schools. 0:18:52.560 --> 0:18:55.640 I completely agree, it's been long overdue. Good to say 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:59.160 it's had such an astounding result now. Kristen students at 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:01.840 an elite christ school in Melbourne have complained that they 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:04.880 are not allowed to display crosses on necklaces for fear 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:09.440 of offending non Christian students. This is according to students 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:12.159 that Methodist Ladies College in Q. They say that they 0:19:12.200 --> 0:19:15.680 were not allowed to publicly identify as Christians, while their 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:19.560 classmates would you believe were allowed to identify as cats. 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:23.200 A spokesperson from MLC said the school was deeply committed 0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:26.840 to fostering a culture of inclusion, respect and diversity, saying 0:19:26.840 --> 0:19:30.639 our Christian heritage serves as a foundation for welcoming individuals 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:34.200 of all faiths, cultures, and backgrounds, and fostering an environment 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:38.440 where every student is supported in expressing their identity and beliefs. 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:40.480 Regarding religious jewelries. 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:44.200 Such as cross necklaces, the college's uniform policy supports consistent 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:49.400 presentation among students while respecting individual beliefs. Claire Look talk 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:52.240 about double standards. They claim that they are trying to 0:19:52.280 --> 0:19:55.439 foster a culture of diversity. They're a Christian school, but 0:19:55.520 --> 0:19:58.159 of banned crosses. Have I missed something? 0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:02.160 This is un believable and I assumed when I saw 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:05.080 this this was a state public school. I mean, there's 0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:08.639 literally like Methodist in the title of the school. 0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:10.400 It's a Christian school. 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:16.080 I mean, it's unbelievable hypocrisy. And the statement by the 0:20:16.119 --> 0:20:18.480 school to say that we are, you know, all for 0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:23.600 inclusion and diversity is verging on gas lighting, because clearly 0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:29.200 it's not inclusion and diversity, it's just selective exclusion of 0:20:29.560 --> 0:20:31.880 the majority of the Christians. 0:20:31.840 --> 0:20:35.760 From the Christian school. I mean, this is staggering to men. 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:39.800 I believe that this came about because another student raised 0:20:39.840 --> 0:20:42.960 it with a teacher that they felt offended by their 0:20:42.960 --> 0:20:46.920 fellow student wearing across. And I would have thought, that's 0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:49.840 a great opportunity to talk to that you know, so 0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:55.240 called offended student about those principles of diversity and inclusion, 0:20:55.600 --> 0:20:58.280 rather than asking the other student to take the cross off. 0:20:59.320 --> 0:21:01.280 I don't know what parents expect when they send their 0:21:01.359 --> 0:21:04.000 kids to a Christian school, but it's certainly not being 0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:07.359 asked to remove any signs that you are a Christian. 0:21:07.680 --> 0:21:10.680 It's absolutely bizarre your spot on now that we're almost 0:21:10.760 --> 0:21:13.639 out of time. But children held in Queensland watch houses 0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:16.680 are being bunked together in tiny cells with poor ventilation, 0:21:16.920 --> 0:21:20.040 no natural light and no privacy and meters away from 0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:24.000