WEBVTT - #2104 Are "Bad Fats" Actually Bad? - David Gillespie 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:03.559 I got our champs at Craig Anthony Harper. It's Tiffany Cook, 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:07.800 It's David James Gillespie. That's not true, it's the U Project. 0:00:08.119 --> 0:00:11.799 Gilespow drops in once a fortnite, the great Man and 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:15.680 entertains us and enthralls us and educates us, and every 0:00:15.760 --> 0:00:17.480 now and then we have a bit of an argument. 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:20.279 But the coen of the world's been away in Van 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:25.439 Diemen's Land, just toughing it out down there in the 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:29.600 wilds of Tazzi with her new bloke. Now did the 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:32.680 new bloke get the tick of approval from the fifteen 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:34.000 hundred family members? 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:38.960 Mate? I I was just filtering my own phone for 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:42.519 smsages that were getting sent directly to him through me, 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:46.600 not just addressed straight to Scott. I'm like, hi, guys, 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:50.840 high fam, I'm home too. Yeah. 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:54.800 So in a social setting, I feel like you just 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:57.480 push him in the door, wind up that little thing 0:00:57.480 --> 0:00:59.880 on his back, just you know, the little wind up Scott, 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:02.800 and just fucking just push him in and then come 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:04.280 back two hours later and get him. 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:06.120 I could go to family events. I could have just 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:07.959 dropped him off and taken off and went for a 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:09.399 massage and come back and got him. 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:11.920 Nobody would have noticed. And when you came back, they'd 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:14.200 be were like, oh, how great is Scott and you're like, 0:01:14.319 --> 0:01:17.360 fucking eye roll. Yeah, he's all right, but fuck, there's 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:25.039 a threshold. Just hang around. No, seriously, before we talked 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:27.240 to gilespa about grown up things, did he get the 0:01:27.280 --> 0:01:28.839 tick or no? He did get the tick? 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:30.200 He most certainly did. 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:34.080 Who did he most Enama? Is there someone in the 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:36.680 family who just fucking loves him? 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:39.160 Uncle Greg? I took I took him out to my 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:42.720 uncle Greg's because Greg's got a pristine. 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:44.600 Garat motorbike collection, Yes. 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:46.560 The motor bike Collection. So I just sat there like 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:51.040 Auntie Tiff while those two kids talked bikes and motors 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:55.280 and out for about an hour, and then I just 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:58.960 got text messages from Greg to send straight to Scott. 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:01.840 It's just checking show, old mate, this show this to 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:02.600 old mate. 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:12.880 We'll just call you the conduit. Well it does start 0:02:12.919 --> 0:02:18.440 with seeing N and T and the word is conduit. Gleisspo. 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:19.600 How are you? 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:19.960 Yeah? 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:20.720 Good? How are you? 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:21.520 Yeah? 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:24.680 I'm good mate? What's going on in the thriving metropolis 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:25.079 up there? 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:25.440 Are you? 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:28.040 Do you go to court? These days? Still or do 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:28.520 you try to. 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:30.720 I don't do that kind of thing. 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:37.640 That's when you've been charged, now, that's right, receiving when 0:02:37.680 --> 0:02:38.600 you've got the cuffs on. 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:43.480 Yeah, yeah, No, nothing much interesting has been going on 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:45.359 up here. I've been writing a few pieces of every 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:49.800 one today, which we'll talk about a bit. Yeah, as usual, 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:53.480 you're profoundly underprepared for the discussion, but I'll try to 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:54.240 carry us through. 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:57.720 I wouldn't want to disappoint you. Imagine if I came, 0:02:58.520 --> 0:03:00.560 you'd be like, oh, I can't make fun of him. 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:04.880 I can't give him shit. I do this. My lack 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:07.359 of preparation is just a sign of respect. 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:08.000 Ah. 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:12.240 I want you to be happy so you can attack me. 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:16.120 And also if you didn't, I wouldn't know who the 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:17.240 fuck was on the other end. 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:19.359 That's right, all right. 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:21.680 So you wrote an article, let me just intro it, 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:25.600 and obviously I know fuck all about it because I 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:29.120 got home at three minutes to recording time. You wrote 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:32.520 an article called one hundred and fifty billion dollar fat scam, 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:36.880 how industrial waste became heart healthy food. And there's a 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:42.680 big Stonking graph in the middle of my page wherever 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:44.000 you want to start. 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:49.160 Right, Well, just a few grabs. First, because you and 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:51.920 I talked about seed oils before, and just to be 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:55.800 really really clear what a seed oil is, it's oils 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:59.440 extracted from seeds or what are generally called vegetable oils 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:02.600 on the labels in Australia. So these are things like 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:08.760 canola oils, sunflower oil, safflower oil, soybean oil, or just 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:12.800 often just described as vegetable oil that you know, no 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:15.160 vegetables were harmed in their creation, so it's a bit 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:18.240 of a misleading description of them, but. 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:20.760 That's what they are, and they are now. 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:23.800 You know, I could say you go looking in the 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:26.560 supermarket for vegetable oils and that will be like directing 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:30.920 you to the ocean to find some water. It is everywhere, 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:39.440 It's in everything. So I've struggled with how to communicate 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:44.800 properly how extremely dangerous these things are. And this is 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:48.040 another bash at it, and I thought I sort of 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:50.760 boil it down to a couple of fairly interesting factoids 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:51.680 that I've come up with. 0:04:52.600 --> 0:04:55.720 One is that the average Australian is currently. 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:58.120 Can I read this bit? I just found it because 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:01.320 I'd like to read it, and then new comments on 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:04.800 it because it's fucking amazing. The average Australian is currently 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:12.000 eighteen percent industrial sludge by weights. That's concerning. What does 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:15.760 that mean? Say I'm eighty kilos ock, Well, that's no good. 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:18.720 It takes six hundred and eighty days to listen to this, 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:23.920 six hundred and eighty days for a single hot chips 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:26.480 So for a single cup of hot chips worth of 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:30.760 seed oil to leave your system, your cells are literally 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:35.440 rusting from the inside out. Here's a graph that shouldn't exist, 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:37.920 which you can talk about. Heart disease killed fewer than 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:41.760 ten percent of Australians fewer than ten percent in nine 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:44.800 one hundred. By the nine en sixties it was the 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:49.080 nation's leading killer. If you plot those deaths against butter consumption, 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:53.279 the lines move in the opposite direction. We ate nearly 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:56.919 eight to killograms of butter per person in nineteen hundred 0:05:57.000 --> 0:06:01.240 with low heart disease, and today we eat what is 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:04.479 a little bit over a quarter that roughly two point 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:08.680 eight kilograms of butter, and obviously heart diseases through the roof. 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:12.200 Now plotted against vegetable oil in nine to ten, it 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:15.760 didn't exist in our shops. By twenty twenty sixty, average 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:20.760 fuck me drunk. The average Australian consumes over thirty two 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:27.680 grams of vegetable two kilos kilos, sorry kilos, Yeah, kilos 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:32.800 are vegetable oil, my god, annually. The healthy heart advice 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:35.799 of the last fifty years, the era of the Heart Foundation, 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:39.520 didn't just fail at backfight. I'm nearly done. The experts 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:43.160 will point to falling death rates as proof of success, 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:46.159 but don't be filled. We didn't dissolve heart disease. We 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:49.000 just brought more time. We just brought more time with 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:54.440 expensive drugs and emergency surgery. That is kind of like, 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:56.320 how do people even argue with that? 0:06:57.400 --> 0:07:02.240 Yeah, well, it's rarely presented in that way. And that's 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:06.159 what I guess I'm trying to do is show the 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:09.840 danger here in a way that makes it clear. And 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:12.440 the graph, which you know, a lot of people don't 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:14.840 like graphs. I love graphs because I think you can 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:17.240 say an awful lot with the graph that we know 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:20.480 you'll take you forever to write. But this particular graph 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:23.760 has two lines on it and they track each other, 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:29.080 you know, at almost one hundred percent. 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:30.720 Match. 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:34.920 And that is the rise of seed oil's consumption and 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:37.600 the rise of incidents of heart disease. Now I should 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:40.320 just use the term incident. Be clear about what I 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:45.360 mean by incidents. Incidence is the rate of heart disease 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:49.400 in the population. So this isn't because the population's rising. 0:07:49.560 --> 0:07:53.800 This is what percentage of the population or what number 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:58.480 per hundred thousand people, which is the official measure, have 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:03.520 this disease, And that tracks almost perfectly. You know, it's 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:08.280 at a ninety eight percent match to the line of 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:12.760 consumption of seed oils, so practically zero at the turn 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:18.240 of the twentieth century up to almost identically in the 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:21.120 same place by twenty twenty. And if you put on 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:24.640 that same graph mortality, so the number of people who 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:29.800 die from heart disease, that tracked the same line up 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:35.480 until the nineteen sixties. But then that line started declining. 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:40.400 And that's the one we always hear about. That's the one. 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:43.960 You know, we've solved heart disease, We're getting on top 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:47.920 of it. It's dropping fast. But the reality is that 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:51.559 what happened in the nineteen sixties is we we invented 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:56.600 ways of curing or at least delaying heart disease with 0:08:56.720 --> 0:09:01.240 surgery most often, so we got brand new types of 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:03.800 surgery on the heart which started to come into effect 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:06.559 in the nineteen sixties and which is still there today. 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:07.640 We got better. 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:10.199 I've got drugs that are better at prolonging people's lives, 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:13.440 blood thinners and so on once they've had a heart attack, 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:17.080 and we're better at keeping people alive. So that line 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:21.800 has improved. But that's not the line of concern. The 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:25.199 line of concern is that the incidence just keeps rising 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:28.760 for as long as we keep consuming seed oils and 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:31.360 just for fun. On the same graph, I put our 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:38.200 consumption of butter, which, as you pointed out, dropped significantly 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:41.320 from about a kilos to two point a kilos over 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:43.720 the course of the same period of time. Now we've 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:48.040 been told by all the experts, but the reason that 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:51.720 heart disease was a problem was everyone was eating too 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:55.720 much saturated fat, and butter was often touted as the 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:59.040 primary source of that, but also milk. You know, you 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:01.319 would have grown up in the a so you were 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:03.520 told to eat low fat milk and trim this and 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:07.400 trim that, and you know, low fat everything, no saturated fat, 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:10.439 it's the deadly thing. But the reality is that graph 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:15.839 shows us that saturated fat, if anything, has dropped significantly 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:22.320 in the last century, but the incidence of heart disease 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:26.080 has just kept on rising because the amount of polyunsaturated 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:29.840 fat or seed oils that we consume has grown at 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:34.040 the same rate. And that's what I'm trying to bring 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:35.800 to the surface here and then and then if we 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:40.000 take a little bit further into the so what category, come. 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:41.199 Back to those those. 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:45.120 Facts that I that you read out before, which is, 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:48.959 you know, if we're if we're one fifth seed oil 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:55.840 one fifth polyunsaturated fat, Because humans, polyunsaturated fats like the 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:57.600 amiga six and the amiga three that are found in 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:01.680 seed oils are really really rare in our natural environment. 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:05.920 In evolutionary terms, they were hard for us to come by. 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:10.440 The only way to consume them was to, I don't know, 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:12.760 come across a crop of lind seeds and eat them all. 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:19.360 You know, it was in the wild, in the wild, and. 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:20.800 It was It's difficult. 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:23.480 And because of that, we're optimized to conserve them if 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:27.120 we find them, so our bodies don't get rid of 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:29.880 those fats if they encounter them, because we use them, 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:32.480 we need them, We need them to run our immune system. 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:37.360 Amega six of pro inflammatory omega three are anti inflammatory, 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:39.080 We run them in balance, we need them in our 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:41.839 immune system. We can't manufacture them ourselves. We have to 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:44.160 get them from our diet. We're often told to eat 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:47.319 fish because they contain them. Fish have no more ability 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:49.240 to generate them than we do. It's just that they 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:51.360 eat a lot of seaweed, well a lot more than 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:55.040 I do anyway, and so they like us when they 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:58.119 capture those fats, store them because they're actually really. 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:04.520 Important to have in at certain levels. Now, in cattle who. 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:08.440 Eat a diet that consists entirely of food that contains 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:11.719 those fats, they have built in limitters to make sure 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:13.480 they don't have too much of it in their fat. 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:17.200 So the optimum amount of these things in your body 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:20.480 is about three percent of your body fat. So about 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:23.440 three percent of your body fat should be these things 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:27.840 to help build brains, run your immune system, all that 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:32.319 kind of thing. And we've talked before about how a 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:35.880 good sign as to how brainy a woman's first child 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:37.920 is likely to be is how much of this fat 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:40.560 she's managed to store on her body. 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:46.000 So the really bad thing, though, is. 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:48.960 That, unlike cattle who can optimize and manage it at 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:54.400 three percent, we don't do that. We're omnivores, and because 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:56.079 it was so rare in the environment, we just hang 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:58.880 on to everything we can get. Not a problem when 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:01.800 there isn't that much of it in our environment, but 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:04.560 is a problem when it's in every single piece of 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:09.679 food on the supermarket shelf. That's why eighteen percent of 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:14.600 the average Australian is now this fat. And that's a really, 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:20.640 really bad thing because this fat oxidizes inside our bodies, 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:25.680 and when it oxidizes, it interacts with our DNA is. 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:29.000 It interacts with our DNA, It interferes with our mitochondria, 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:35.760 our ability to produce energy. It interferes with our insulin reception, 0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:40.640 encouraging us to be heavier than we otherwise would be 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:44.160 in creating insulin resistance. It interferes with a lot of 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:47.560 other metabolic processes in the body. When we have excessive 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:48.400 amounts of a. 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:52.280 Mega six and I would say twenty percent by body 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:56.000 weight is an excessive amount of anything, let alone Omega six. 0:13:56.920 --> 0:13:59.440 But that's where we are. And the reason is that 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:01.720 other point that I made, which is it takes two 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:05.079 years to get this out of your system. You consume 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:09.480 a hot chip today, the branched canola oil that was 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:12.560 cooked in is with you for the next two years. 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:18.160 Wow. Wow. And I'm just looking at this graph and 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:22.480 what is interesting is that around you know, like from 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:27.160 the nineteen hundred's ish, it's just like the heart disease 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:32.480 has kind of steadily climbed and seed oil use has climbed. 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:36.200 So as you said, it's relatively neck for neck. But 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:40.160 I just had a quick squeeze when heart surgery started 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:44.040 and in kind of a common not like a rare 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:47.200 case thing or a rare use, but kind of sixties 0:14:47.240 --> 0:14:51.480 and seventies where heart surgery became more normalized and obviously 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:54.440 through the eighties, but also the use of all the 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:59.960 you know, the medication is too lower cholesterol and blood 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:03.200 pressure and all of those things. And so it's kind 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:06.880 of misattribution because they're saying, oh, no, we started this 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:13.640 much healthier vegetable oil option over unsaturated versus saturated, which 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:17.560 I grew up being no pun intended saturated with that 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:21.360 message and thinking, well, this has gone down and we 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:26.800 introduced vegetable oil, Therefore that's the cause. And bibbity Bobby boo. 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:29.680 But it's kind of perhaps got nothing to do with 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:32.280 it well, definitely got anything nothing to do with it. 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:35.400 Well, one other interesting thing is you might have noticed 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:38.240 looking at the graph that for the first bit of 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:42.560 the journey, the heart disease incidents actually tracks quite a 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:46.400 bit ahead of the seed oil It's only in the 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:49.200 last since the nineteen eighties that they have sort of 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:52.680 matched up in terms of their trajectory. So heart disease 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:56.520 was actually growing more rapidly than seed oil consumption. And 0:15:56.560 --> 0:15:58.360 the explanation for that, By the way, I had a 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:00.400 different graph that had this on it, but I thought 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:04.760 it was just getting too confusing. Is smoking. Smoking peaked 0:16:04.960 --> 0:16:09.080 in the nineteen sixties. It had explosive growth from the 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:11.160 start of the century through to the nineteen sixties, and 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:14.880 then dropped off very, very suddenly after that. Smoking produces 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:18.200 aldehydes which are just as bad for you as seed oil, 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:22.000 and everyone in the medical profession is quite happy to 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:26.040 accept that. But when you say to them, actually, the 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:31.280 alder hides produced from your heart healthy seed oil loaded 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:36.120 breakfast cereal or mayonnaise or whatever you want to name, 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:40.720 is producing alder hides which are at least as dangerous 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:45.440 as the ones that you accept come from smoking. So 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:51.720 that's The reason that the heart disease lines actually go 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:54.120 ahead of the seed oil lines up until the nineteen 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:57.160 sixties is it was seed oil plus smoking. Then now 0:16:57.160 --> 0:17:02.040 it's just seed oil or largely seed oil. So I 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:05.120 guess one of the things that might be occurring to 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:07.240 you is, Oh, by the way, I want to talk 0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:10.679 to you about the Sydney diet heart study. Now, we 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:14.240 talked either last time or the time before about the 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:18.480 Minnesota County experiment, which was a massive experiment in the 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:21.399 United States where they wanted to prove that if you 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:26.680 gave people corn oil they instead of eating saturated fat, 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:30.880 they would lower their cholesterol and they assumed would also 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:34.679 lower mortality, etc. It turned out it did lower the 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:38.399 cholesterol as predicted, it just didn't have any well. It 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:43.160 had the opposite effect on mortality. It significantly increased mortality, 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:45.680 not just from heart disease but from all causes, which 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:52.240 usually means cancer as well. So there was a Sydney study, 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:56.720 a study done in Sydney at around the same time, 0:17:57.280 --> 0:18:02.840 using pretty much the same methodology, and it found it's 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:05.960 called the Sydney Diet Heart study. It found that those 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:08.760 who replay, who replaced the use of butter, and this 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:12.040 one was a direct replacement. Take butter out of people's diets, 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:15.680 tell them to use margarine made with ceflower oil instead, 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:20.040 which was the common margarine at the time, and they 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:22.720 recorded a sixty two percent higher death rate. 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:27.399 How did they remember, you told me. I can't remember 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:30.920 the answer. How did they explain that in the write up? 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:34.360 Like they didn't. They didn't explain it in the write up. 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:39.119 What they explained was that it reduced the level of cholesterol, 0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:43.520 which it did. They just didn't mention the bit about 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:46.320 Oh and the rest of the data you might want 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:47.960 to know about just happened to kill. 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:50.280 A lot more people. But let's not worry too much 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:51.280 about that detail. 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:55.320 Yeah, I remember that. Yeah, this is one of the 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:58.960 things that and I don't even pretend actually to be 0:18:59.000 --> 0:19:03.080 a great scientist science, ye, but yeah, over the years 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:06.600 doing my bits and pieces at Union, more recently in 0:19:06.600 --> 0:19:14.000 my PhD. But that's just how unethical research is. When 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:16.840 people are trying to demonstrate something and then when they 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:20.760 get data that either disproves it or doesn't prove it, 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:27.400 or kind of highlights other really really interesting and potentially 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:33.439 important outcomes. If that convenient once inconvenient or deadly ones, 0:19:33.520 --> 0:19:36.480 and it doesn't suit their narrative. They just don't like 0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:40.920 imagine if they reported that, they went, you know what, yeah, 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:45.280 the cholesterol thing, bibbity bobby. But but listen to this 0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:49.359 because but fucking sit down. Let me tell you what 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:51.240 else we discovered. They're not going to do that. 0:19:52.000 --> 0:19:56.320 No, And it took people going back and looking at 0:19:56.359 --> 0:19:59.480 their original data to have that fact come out. And 0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:02.480 it was researcher, Yeah, exactly. 0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:05.560 It's the same researcher, a fellow by the name of 0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:08.480 Ramsden at the National Institute of Health in the United 0:20:08.480 --> 0:20:13.240 States who redid the Minnesota County experiment data, like found 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:17.320 the data and redid the experiments and reanalyzed the data 0:20:17.359 --> 0:20:20.159 and concluded it was deadly. He did it with the 0:20:20.160 --> 0:20:23.199 Sydney diet heart study as well. And even when that 0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:25.399 was reported in twenty. 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:28.800 Sixteen, the Hard Foundation and various dieticians still came out 0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:32.000 and said, oh, you confusing, it's out of context, et cetera, 0:20:32.040 --> 0:20:33.880 et cetera. But it's nonsense. 0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:38.080 It is thorough and it is complete, and it shows 0:20:38.600 --> 0:20:40.600 death rates increased by sixty two percent. 0:20:41.680 --> 0:20:46.679 Yeah, and yet twenty to thirty years later, all the 0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:49.320 experts were telling us to do exactly the thing that 0:20:49.320 --> 0:20:51.440 that study said would increase death rates. 0:20:51.800 --> 0:20:57.280 Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, this we'd have. 0:20:57.240 --> 0:21:00.760 Lower cholesterol, which would mean, you know, we'd only our 0:21:00.800 --> 0:21:03.040 corpse would have a much better blood result. 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:08.080 But that I would have thought is largely irrelevant to 0:21:08.080 --> 0:21:08.800 someone who's dead. 0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:12.680 It's probably not top of the list. I mean, Brian, 0:21:12.760 --> 0:21:16.639 Brian's dead, but fucking check out his calesterolesterol. 0:21:16.880 --> 0:21:19.000 Man, Ye, how clear is that? 0:21:19.920 --> 0:21:25.800 Wow? If Funny wasn't dead, this is be super helpful. Yeah, yeah, 0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:28.400 it's it's like, I know it's not funny, but it's 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:31.600 kind of funny. And the problem is that, and I 0:21:31.640 --> 0:21:34.480 know I'm getting more broad and I'll come back, but 0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:38.439 it's like people who don't really understand, you know, science 0:21:38.440 --> 0:21:40.160 at that level because they're not doing that, or they're 0:21:40.160 --> 0:21:44.000 not researchers, which is cool. They look up to people 0:21:44.080 --> 0:21:48.840 who are researchers and scientists, and you know, when somebody 0:21:48.880 --> 0:21:52.400 writes science tells us, most people just think, well, that's 0:21:52.440 --> 0:21:56.359 the truth then, but science tells us bullshit all the time. 0:21:57.160 --> 0:21:57.360 Yeah. 0:21:57.560 --> 0:21:59.639 Yeah, there's a there's a number around that which is 0:22:00.040 --> 0:22:04.000 veniently escaped my brain. But it's something like eighty percent 0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:08.760 of published studies are subsequently proven to be false. 0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:11.400 It's some enormous. 0:22:11.000 --> 0:22:13.119 Number, crazy, you know. 0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:18.960 Anyway, what I did with this article though, is I thought, 0:22:19.160 --> 0:22:22.280 this is all very thrilling, but how do you apply it? 0:22:23.359 --> 0:22:24.440 You know, what do you actually do? 0:22:25.560 --> 0:22:27.800 And so what I've done is I've this time, I've 0:22:27.840 --> 0:22:31.439 included sort of a list of the top ten places 0:22:31.440 --> 0:22:35.160 you're going to find seed oils in the supermarket, and 0:22:35.920 --> 0:22:36.280 you know. 0:22:36.200 --> 0:22:38.040 What you should be looking at there, so you know. 0:22:38.119 --> 0:22:42.600 Number one is all these Barista plant based milks, you know, oat, almond, 0:22:42.680 --> 0:22:46.119 soay milks, everything like that. They're all full of conolerants 0:22:46.640 --> 0:22:51.000 and some fowl oil. Okay, it's it's added in there 0:22:51.560 --> 0:22:54.600 to create the froth and the creamy mouthfeel that mimics 0:22:54.640 --> 0:22:56.560 theiry because there is three percent fat, so they've got 0:22:56.600 --> 0:22:59.879 to put three percent fat in these things, and so 0:23:00.240 --> 0:23:01.960 they're not going to put milk in there, So what 0:23:02.080 --> 0:23:04.040 they do is they put seed oil in there instead. 0:23:05.520 --> 0:23:07.520 So you know, I ask people to keep an eye 0:23:07.560 --> 0:23:07.840 out and. 0:23:07.880 --> 0:23:11.040 Avoid white to soy, almond breeze, and a lot of 0:23:11.080 --> 0:23:14.520 the coals and alwors home brands. Number two is all 0:23:14.560 --> 0:23:18.840 the healthy you know, musely granola type stuff, right, that's 0:23:19.480 --> 0:23:19.960 to get. 0:23:19.880 --> 0:23:23.040 That crunchy cluster texture that you get on thense things. 0:23:23.960 --> 0:23:27.840 They're often full of sunfloil oil or just you not 0:23:28.000 --> 0:23:30.040 described to vegetable oil, which is going to be a 0:23:30.080 --> 0:23:30.560 seed oil. 0:23:32.400 --> 0:23:34.440 Whole egg and olive oil. Mayonnaise. 0:23:34.880 --> 0:23:38.800