1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,559 Speaker 1: I got our champs at Craig Anthony Harper. It's Tiffany Cook, 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: It's David James Gillespie. That's not true, it's the U Project. 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:11,799 Speaker 1: Gilespow drops in once a fortnite, the great Man and 4 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: entertains us and enthralls us and educates us, and every 5 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: now and then we have a bit of an argument. 6 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 1: But the coen of the world's been away in Van 7 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 1: Diemen's Land, just toughing it out down there in the 8 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: wilds of Tazzi with her new bloke. Now did the 9 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: new bloke get the tick of approval from the fifteen 10 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: hundred family members? 11 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 2: Mate? I I was just filtering my own phone for 12 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 2: smsages that were getting sent directly to him through me, 13 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 2: not just addressed straight to Scott. I'm like, hi, guys, 14 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 2: high fam, I'm home too. Yeah. 15 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: So in a social setting, I feel like you just 16 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: push him in the door, wind up that little thing 17 00:00:57,480 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: on his back, just you know, the little wind up Scott, 18 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: and just fucking just push him in and then come 19 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: back two hours later and get him. 20 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 2: I could go to family events. I could have just 21 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 2: dropped him off and taken off and went for a 22 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 2: massage and come back and got him. 23 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: Nobody would have noticed. And when you came back, they'd 24 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: be were like, oh, how great is Scott and you're like, 25 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: fucking eye roll. Yeah, he's all right, but fuck, there's 26 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 1: a threshold. Just hang around. No, seriously, before we talked 27 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: to gilespa about grown up things, did he get the 28 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:28,839 Speaker 1: tick or no? He did get the tick? 29 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 2: He most certainly did. 30 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: Who did he most Enama? Is there someone in the 31 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,680 Speaker 1: family who just fucking loves him? 32 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 2: Uncle Greg? I took I took him out to my 33 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 2: uncle Greg's because Greg's got a pristine. 34 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: Garat motorbike collection, Yes. 35 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 2: The motor bike Collection. So I just sat there like 36 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 2: Auntie Tiff while those two kids talked bikes and motors 37 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 2: and out for about an hour, and then I just 38 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 2: got text messages from Greg to send straight to Scott. 39 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 2: It's just checking show, old mate, this show this to 40 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 2: old mate. 41 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: We'll just call you the conduit. Well it does start 42 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: with seeing N and T and the word is conduit. Gleisspo. 43 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: How are you? 44 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 3: Yeah? 45 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 4: Good? How are you? 46 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 3: Yeah? 47 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: I'm good mate? What's going on in the thriving metropolis 48 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 1: up there? 49 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 3: Are you? 50 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: Do you go to court? These days? Still or do 51 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 1: you try to. 52 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 4: I don't do that kind of thing. 53 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 1: That's when you've been charged, now, that's right, receiving when 54 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: you've got the cuffs on. 55 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, No, nothing much interesting has been going on 56 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 3: up here. I've been writing a few pieces of every 57 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 3: one today, which we'll talk about a bit. Yeah, as usual, 58 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 3: you're profoundly underprepared for the discussion, but I'll try to 59 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 3: carry us through. 60 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to disappoint you. Imagine if I came, 61 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: you'd be like, oh, I can't make fun of him. 62 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: I can't give him shit. I do this. My lack 63 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,359 Speaker 1: of preparation is just a sign of respect. 64 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 4: Ah. 65 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: I want you to be happy so you can attack me. 66 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: And also if you didn't, I wouldn't know who the 67 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: fuck was on the other end. 68 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 4: That's right, all right. 69 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: So you wrote an article, let me just intro it, 70 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: and obviously I know fuck all about it because I 71 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: got home at three minutes to recording time. You wrote 72 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: an article called one hundred and fifty billion dollar fat scam, 73 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: how industrial waste became heart healthy food. And there's a 74 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: big Stonking graph in the middle of my page wherever 75 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: you want to start. 76 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 3: Right, Well, just a few grabs. First, because you and 77 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 3: I talked about seed oils before, and just to be 78 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 3: really really clear what a seed oil is, it's oils 79 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 3: extracted from seeds or what are generally called vegetable oils 80 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 3: on the labels in Australia. So these are things like 81 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 3: canola oils, sunflower oil, safflower oil, soybean oil, or just 82 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 3: often just described as vegetable oil that you know, no 83 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 3: vegetables were harmed in their creation, so it's a bit 84 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 3: of a misleading description of them, but. 85 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 4: That's what they are, and they are now. 86 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 3: You know, I could say you go looking in the 87 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 3: supermarket for vegetable oils and that will be like directing 88 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 3: you to the ocean to find some water. It is everywhere, 89 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 3: It's in everything. So I've struggled with how to communicate 90 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 3: properly how extremely dangerous these things are. And this is 91 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 3: another bash at it, and I thought I sort of 92 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 3: boil it down to a couple of fairly interesting factoids 93 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 3: that I've come up with. 94 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 4: One is that the average Australian is currently. 95 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: Can I read this bit? I just found it because 96 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: I'd like to read it, and then new comments on 97 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 1: it because it's fucking amazing. The average Australian is currently 98 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: eighteen percent industrial sludge by weights. That's concerning. What does 99 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: that mean? Say I'm eighty kilos ock, Well, that's no good. 100 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 1: It takes six hundred and eighty days to listen to this, 101 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: six hundred and eighty days for a single hot chips 102 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 1: So for a single cup of hot chips worth of 103 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: seed oil to leave your system, your cells are literally 104 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: rusting from the inside out. Here's a graph that shouldn't exist, 105 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: which you can talk about. Heart disease killed fewer than 106 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: ten percent of Australians fewer than ten percent in nine 107 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: one hundred. By the nine en sixties it was the 108 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: nation's leading killer. If you plot those deaths against butter consumption, 109 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 1: the lines move in the opposite direction. We ate nearly 110 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 1: eight to killograms of butter per person in nineteen hundred 111 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: with low heart disease, and today we eat what is 112 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 1: a little bit over a quarter that roughly two point 113 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: eight kilograms of butter, and obviously heart diseases through the roof. 114 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: Now plotted against vegetable oil in nine to ten, it 115 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: didn't exist in our shops. By twenty twenty sixty, average 116 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: fuck me drunk. The average Australian consumes over thirty two 117 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: grams of vegetable two kilos kilos, sorry kilos, Yeah, kilos 118 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: are vegetable oil, my god, annually. The healthy heart advice 119 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,799 Speaker 1: of the last fifty years, the era of the Heart Foundation, 120 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: didn't just fail at backfight. I'm nearly done. The experts 121 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 1: will point to falling death rates as proof of success, 122 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 1: but don't be filled. We didn't dissolve heart disease. We 123 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: just brought more time. We just brought more time with 124 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: expensive drugs and emergency surgery. That is kind of like, 125 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: how do people even argue with that? 126 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it's rarely presented in that way. And that's 127 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 3: what I guess I'm trying to do is show the 128 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 3: danger here in a way that makes it clear. And 129 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 3: the graph, which you know, a lot of people don't 130 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 3: like graphs. I love graphs because I think you can 131 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 3: say an awful lot with the graph that we know 132 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 3: you'll take you forever to write. But this particular graph 133 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 3: has two lines on it and they track each other, 134 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 3: you know, at almost one hundred percent. 135 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 4: Match. 136 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 3: And that is the rise of seed oil's consumption and 137 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 3: the rise of incidents of heart disease. Now I should 138 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 3: just use the term incident. Be clear about what I 139 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 3: mean by incidents. Incidence is the rate of heart disease 140 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 3: in the population. So this isn't because the population's rising. 141 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 3: This is what percentage of the population or what number 142 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 3: per hundred thousand people, which is the official measure, have 143 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 3: this disease, And that tracks almost perfectly. You know, it's 144 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 3: at a ninety eight percent match to the line of 145 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 3: consumption of seed oils, so practically zero at the turn 146 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 3: of the twentieth century up to almost identically in the 147 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 3: same place by twenty twenty. And if you put on 148 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 3: that same graph mortality, so the number of people who 149 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 3: die from heart disease, that tracked the same line up 150 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 3: until the nineteen sixties. But then that line started declining. 151 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 3: And that's the one we always hear about. That's the one. 152 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 3: You know, we've solved heart disease, We're getting on top 153 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 3: of it. It's dropping fast. But the reality is that 154 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,559 Speaker 3: what happened in the nineteen sixties is we we invented 155 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 3: ways of curing or at least delaying heart disease with 156 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 3: surgery most often, so we got brand new types of 157 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 3: surgery on the heart which started to come into effect 158 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 3: in the nineteen sixties and which is still there today. 159 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 4: We got better. 160 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,199 Speaker 3: I've got drugs that are better at prolonging people's lives, 161 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 3: blood thinners and so on once they've had a heart attack, 162 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 3: and we're better at keeping people alive. So that line 163 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 3: has improved. But that's not the line of concern. The 164 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,199 Speaker 3: line of concern is that the incidence just keeps rising 165 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 3: for as long as we keep consuming seed oils and 166 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 3: just for fun. On the same graph, I put our 167 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 3: consumption of butter, which, as you pointed out, dropped significantly 168 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 3: from about a kilos to two point a kilos over 169 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 3: the course of the same period of time. Now we've 170 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 3: been told by all the experts, but the reason that 171 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 3: heart disease was a problem was everyone was eating too 172 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 3: much saturated fat, and butter was often touted as the 173 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 3: primary source of that, but also milk. You know, you 174 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,319 Speaker 3: would have grown up in the a so you were 175 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 3: told to eat low fat milk and trim this and 176 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 3: trim that, and you know, low fat everything, no saturated fat, 177 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,439 Speaker 3: it's the deadly thing. But the reality is that graph 178 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:15,839 Speaker 3: shows us that saturated fat, if anything, has dropped significantly 179 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 3: in the last century, but the incidence of heart disease 180 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 3: has just kept on rising because the amount of polyunsaturated 181 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 3: fat or seed oils that we consume has grown at 182 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 3: the same rate. And that's what I'm trying to bring 183 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 3: to the surface here and then and then if we 184 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 3: take a little bit further into the so what category, come. 185 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:41,199 Speaker 4: Back to those those. 186 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 3: Facts that I that you read out before, which is, 187 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,959 Speaker 3: you know, if we're if we're one fifth seed oil 188 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 3: one fifth polyunsaturated fat, Because humans, polyunsaturated fats like the 189 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 3: amiga six and the amiga three that are found in 190 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 3: seed oils are really really rare in our natural environment. 191 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 3: In evolutionary terms, they were hard for us to come by. 192 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 3: The only way to consume them was to, I don't know, 193 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 3: come across a crop of lind seeds and eat them all. 194 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: You know, it was in the wild, in the wild, and. 195 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 4: It was It's difficult. 196 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 3: And because of that, we're optimized to conserve them if 197 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 3: we find them, so our bodies don't get rid of 198 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 3: those fats if they encounter them, because we use them, 199 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 3: we need them, We need them to run our immune system. 200 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 3: Amega six of pro inflammatory omega three are anti inflammatory, 201 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 3: We run them in balance, we need them in our 202 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,839 Speaker 3: immune system. We can't manufacture them ourselves. We have to 203 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 3: get them from our diet. We're often told to eat 204 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:47,319 Speaker 3: fish because they contain them. Fish have no more ability 205 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 3: to generate them than we do. It's just that they 206 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 3: eat a lot of seaweed, well a lot more than 207 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 3: I do anyway, and so they like us when they 208 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:58,119 Speaker 3: capture those fats, store them because they're actually really. 209 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 4: Important to have in at certain levels. Now, in cattle who. 210 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 3: Eat a diet that consists entirely of food that contains 211 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,719 Speaker 3: those fats, they have built in limitters to make sure 212 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 3: they don't have too much of it in their fat. 213 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 3: So the optimum amount of these things in your body 214 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 3: is about three percent of your body fat. So about 215 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 3: three percent of your body fat should be these things 216 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 3: to help build brains, run your immune system, all that 217 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 3: kind of thing. And we've talked before about how a 218 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 3: good sign as to how brainy a woman's first child 219 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 3: is likely to be is how much of this fat 220 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 3: she's managed to store on her body. 221 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 4: So the really bad thing, though, is. 222 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 3: That, unlike cattle who can optimize and manage it at 223 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 3: three percent, we don't do that. We're omnivores, and because 224 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,079 Speaker 3: it was so rare in the environment, we just hang 225 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 3: on to everything we can get. Not a problem when 226 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 3: there isn't that much of it in our environment, but 227 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 3: is a problem when it's in every single piece of 228 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 3: food on the supermarket shelf. That's why eighteen percent of 229 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 3: the average Australian is now this fat. And that's a really, 230 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 3: really bad thing because this fat oxidizes inside our bodies, 231 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 3: and when it oxidizes, it interacts with our DNA is. 232 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 3: It interacts with our DNA, It interferes with our mitochondria, 233 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 3: our ability to produce energy. It interferes with our insulin reception, 234 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 3: encouraging us to be heavier than we otherwise would be 235 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 3: in creating insulin resistance. It interferes with a lot of 236 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 3: other metabolic processes in the body. When we have excessive 237 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 3: amounts of a. 238 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 4: Mega six and I would say twenty percent by body 239 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 4: weight is an excessive amount of anything, let alone Omega six. 240 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 3: But that's where we are. And the reason is that 241 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 3: other point that I made, which is it takes two 242 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:05,079 Speaker 3: years to get this out of your system. You consume 243 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 3: a hot chip today, the branched canola oil that was 244 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 3: cooked in is with you for the next two years. 245 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: Wow. Wow. And I'm just looking at this graph and 246 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: what is interesting is that around you know, like from 247 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: the nineteen hundred's ish, it's just like the heart disease 248 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: has kind of steadily climbed and seed oil use has climbed. 249 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: So as you said, it's relatively neck for neck. But 250 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: I just had a quick squeeze when heart surgery started 251 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: and in kind of a common not like a rare 252 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: case thing or a rare use, but kind of sixties 253 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: and seventies where heart surgery became more normalized and obviously 254 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: through the eighties, but also the use of all the 255 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: you know, the medication is too lower cholesterol and blood 256 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: pressure and all of those things. And so it's kind 257 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: of misattribution because they're saying, oh, no, we started this 258 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: much healthier vegetable oil option over unsaturated versus saturated, which 259 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: I grew up being no pun intended saturated with that 260 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: message and thinking, well, this has gone down and we 261 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: introduced vegetable oil, Therefore that's the cause. And bibbity Bobby boo. 262 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: But it's kind of perhaps got nothing to do with 263 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: it well, definitely got anything nothing to do with it. 264 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 3: Well, one other interesting thing is you might have noticed 265 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 3: looking at the graph that for the first bit of 266 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 3: the journey, the heart disease incidents actually tracks quite a 267 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 3: bit ahead of the seed oil It's only in the 268 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 3: last since the nineteen eighties that they have sort of 269 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 3: matched up in terms of their trajectory. So heart disease 270 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 3: was actually growing more rapidly than seed oil consumption. And 271 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 3: the explanation for that, By the way, I had a 272 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 3: different graph that had this on it, but I thought 273 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 3: it was just getting too confusing. Is smoking. Smoking peaked 274 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 3: in the nineteen sixties. It had explosive growth from the 275 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 3: start of the century through to the nineteen sixties, and 276 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 3: then dropped off very, very suddenly after that. Smoking produces 277 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 3: aldehydes which are just as bad for you as seed oil, 278 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 3: and everyone in the medical profession is quite happy to 279 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 3: accept that. But when you say to them, actually, the 280 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 3: alder hides produced from your heart healthy seed oil loaded 281 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 3: breakfast cereal or mayonnaise or whatever you want to name, 282 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 3: is producing alder hides which are at least as dangerous 283 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 3: as the ones that you accept come from smoking. So 284 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 3: that's The reason that the heart disease lines actually go 285 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 3: ahead of the seed oil lines up until the nineteen 286 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 3: sixties is it was seed oil plus smoking. Then now 287 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 3: it's just seed oil or largely seed oil. So I 288 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 3: guess one of the things that might be occurring to 289 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 3: you is, Oh, by the way, I want to talk 290 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,679 Speaker 3: to you about the Sydney diet heart study. Now, we 291 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 3: talked either last time or the time before about the 292 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 3: Minnesota County experiment, which was a massive experiment in the 293 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 3: United States where they wanted to prove that if you 294 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 3: gave people corn oil they instead of eating saturated fat, 295 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,880 Speaker 3: they would lower their cholesterol and they assumed would also 296 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,679 Speaker 3: lower mortality, etc. It turned out it did lower the 297 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 3: cholesterol as predicted, it just didn't have any well. It 298 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 3: had the opposite effect on mortality. It significantly increased mortality, 299 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 3: not just from heart disease but from all causes, which 300 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 3: usually means cancer as well. So there was a Sydney study, 301 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 3: a study done in Sydney at around the same time, 302 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 3: using pretty much the same methodology, and it found it's 303 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 3: called the Sydney Diet Heart study. It found that those 304 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 3: who replay, who replaced the use of butter, and this 305 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 3: one was a direct replacement. Take butter out of people's diets, 306 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 3: tell them to use margarine made with ceflower oil instead, 307 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 3: which was the common margarine at the time, and they 308 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 3: recorded a sixty two percent higher death rate. 309 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 1: How did they remember, you told me. I can't remember 310 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 1: the answer. How did they explain that in the write up? 311 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:34,360 Speaker 3: Like they didn't. They didn't explain it in the write up. 312 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 3: What they explained was that it reduced the level of cholesterol, 313 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 3: which it did. They just didn't mention the bit about 314 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 3: Oh and the rest of the data you might want 315 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 3: to know about just happened to kill. 316 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 4: A lot more people. But let's not worry too much 317 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 4: about that detail. 318 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that. Yeah, this is one of the 319 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 1: things that and I don't even pretend actually to be 320 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: a great scientist science, ye, but yeah, over the years 321 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: doing my bits and pieces at Union, more recently in 322 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: my PhD. But that's just how unethical research is. When 323 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: people are trying to demonstrate something and then when they 324 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: get data that either disproves it or doesn't prove it, 325 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 1: or kind of highlights other really really interesting and potentially 326 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:33,439 Speaker 1: important outcomes. If that convenient once inconvenient or deadly ones, 327 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: and it doesn't suit their narrative. They just don't like 328 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 1: imagine if they reported that, they went, you know what, yeah, 329 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: the cholesterol thing, bibbity bobby. But but listen to this 330 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 1: because but fucking sit down. Let me tell you what 331 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: else we discovered. They're not going to do that. 332 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 4: No, And it took people going back and looking at 333 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 4: their original data to have that fact come out. And 334 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 4: it was researcher, Yeah, exactly. 335 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 3: It's the same researcher, a fellow by the name of 336 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 3: Ramsden at the National Institute of Health in the United 337 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 3: States who redid the Minnesota County experiment data, like found 338 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 3: the data and redid the experiments and reanalyzed the data 339 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 3: and concluded it was deadly. He did it with the 340 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,199 Speaker 3: Sydney diet heart study as well. And even when that 341 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 3: was reported in twenty. 342 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 4: Sixteen, the Hard Foundation and various dieticians still came out 343 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 4: and said, oh, you confusing, it's out of context, et cetera, 344 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:33,880 Speaker 4: et cetera. But it's nonsense. 345 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 3: It is thorough and it is complete, and it shows 346 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 3: death rates increased by sixty two percent. 347 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:46,679 Speaker 4: Yeah, and yet twenty to thirty years later, all the 348 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 4: experts were telling us to do exactly the thing that 349 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 4: that study said would increase death rates. 350 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, this we'd have. 351 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 3: Lower cholesterol, which would mean, you know, we'd only our 352 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 3: corpse would have a much better blood result. 353 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 4: But that I would have thought is largely irrelevant to 354 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 4: someone who's dead. 355 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 1: It's probably not top of the list. I mean, Brian, 356 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 1: Brian's dead, but fucking check out his calesterolesterol. 357 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 4: Man, Ye, how clear is that? 358 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: Wow? If Funny wasn't dead, this is be super helpful. Yeah, yeah, 359 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 1: it's it's like, I know it's not funny, but it's 360 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: kind of funny. And the problem is that, and I 361 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: know I'm getting more broad and I'll come back, but 362 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:38,439 Speaker 1: it's like people who don't really understand, you know, science 363 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 1: at that level because they're not doing that, or they're 364 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: not researchers, which is cool. They look up to people 365 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: who are researchers and scientists, and you know, when somebody 366 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 1: writes science tells us, most people just think, well, that's 367 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: the truth then, but science tells us bullshit all the time. 368 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:57,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 369 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a there's a number around that which is 370 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 3: veniently escaped my brain. But it's something like eighty percent 371 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 3: of published studies are subsequently proven to be false. 372 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 4: It's some enormous. 373 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: Number, crazy, you know. 374 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 3: Anyway, what I did with this article though, is I thought, 375 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 3: this is all very thrilling, but how do you apply it? 376 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 4: You know, what do you actually do? 377 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 3: And so what I've done is I've this time, I've 378 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:31,439 Speaker 3: included sort of a list of the top ten places 379 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 3: you're going to find seed oils in the supermarket, and 380 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 3: you know. 381 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 4: What you should be looking at there, so you know. 382 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 3: Number one is all these Barista plant based milks, you know, oat, almond, 383 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 3: soay milks, everything like that. They're all full of conolerants 384 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 3: and some fowl oil. Okay, it's it's added in there 385 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 3: to create the froth and the creamy mouthfeel that mimics 386 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 3: theiry because there is three percent fat, so they've got 387 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 3: to put three percent fat in these things, and so 388 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 3: they're not going to put milk in there, So what 389 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 3: they do is they put seed oil in there instead. 390 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 4: So you know, I ask people to keep an eye 391 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 4: out and. 392 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 3: Avoid white to soy, almond breeze, and a lot of 393 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 3: the coals and alwors home brands. Number two is all 394 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 3: the healthy you know, musely granola type stuff, right, that's 395 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 3: to get. 396 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 4: That crunchy cluster texture that you get on thense things. 397 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 3: They're often full of sunfloil oil or just you not 398 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 3: described to vegetable oil, which is going to be a 399 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 3: seed oil. 400 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 4: Whole egg and olive oil. Mayonnaise. 401 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 3: People see whole egg on the label and think to themselves, oh, 402 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 3: whole egg must be good. Well, sure it has an 403 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 3: egg in it, but it's an egg in seed oil. 404 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: You know. 405 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 3: There isn't a commercial brand on the shelves that isn't 406 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 3: made with sunflower oil. So yeah, Actually a couple of 407 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 3: American brands use soybean oil, which is even worse. 408 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 4: But they they're all bad bad news. 409 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 3: The old bachelor's handbag, you know, the supermarket roast chickens. Yeah, 410 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 3: you might look at that and think, well, there's not 411 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 3: gonna be any seed all there. They didn't cover it 412 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 3: in seed all before they roasted it. 413 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 4: No, they didn't. But the seasoning and stuffing is often 414 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 4: pretty heavy and canola oil. It's to keep the meat 415 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 4: moist under the heat lamps and give that skin sort 416 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 4: of a golden sheen. So you gotta watch that one. 417 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 4: Dips always seed oil. There are very few exceptions to that. 418 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 3: You know, artisan and multi grain breads, a lot of 419 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 3: a lot of canola used in those things. You know, 420 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 3: rice crapper crackers and veggie chips. You know, they often 421 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 3: say things like baked not fried, but the oil is 422 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 3: sprayed on after the baking to help the season stick 423 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 3: to it. So you know, frozen pies and pastries, yeah, 424 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 3: you know they're gonna they're using oil to get the crunch. 425 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 3: And all the nut butters you know, often very very 426 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 3: high in seed oils. So I'm not going to read 427 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 3: out the rest of it to you, but I also 428 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 3: go on and talk about there's a whole bunch of 429 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 3: products that are that are guaranteed to be seed oil free, 430 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 3: and more importantly, how do you stop consuming them? If 431 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 3: it's going to take you two years to get this 432 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 3: stuff out of your system, what do you have to 433 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 3: do to make it happen? Aside from just not eating it, well, 434 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 3: not eating it is a good start. But you also, 435 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 3: and this might sort of play into an area that 436 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 3: you have an interest in, is making sure that what 437 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 3: you're doing exercise wise is burning fat and not carbohydrate. 438 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 3: Because the goal here is to burn this stuff up 439 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 3: and get it out of your body. So you want 440 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 3: to do things that you know that what's it called 441 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 3: the crossover. I don't know your views on the you 442 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 3: know that there's all those graphs or crossovers and things. 443 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 4: You probably know more about it than I do. 444 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: So you're burning both carb and fat no matter what 445 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: you do. But it's the percentages. It's the percentages. So 446 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: you know, higher intensity, more carbohydrate, but it's but it's 447 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: and also anyway, the bottom line is kind of lower 448 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: intensity ish stuff anywhere sort. 449 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 3: Of sixty sixteen percent ish, sort of up to sixty 450 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 3: percent sort of thing. 451 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 1: Heart rate. 452 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 4: Yeah. 453 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 3: So, and then I also put a bit in about 454 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 3: some things that will help you liver because a lot 455 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,360 Speaker 3: of this, all this fat has to make its way out. 456 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 4: Via the liver and having increasing your antioxidants, so vitamin 457 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 4: is a good one, you know, those sorts of things. 458 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 3: But and while I mentioned you could do this with supplements, 459 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 3: you could also just do it by eating eggs, you know, 460 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 3: for the for the colleen, and the you know. 461 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 4: A handful of for the vitamin E. 462 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 3: It's it's relatively you don't have to be popping pills 463 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 3: to do this, but it doesn't hurt to. 464 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 4: To give you a liver some help. 465 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, So for our listeners, I'm just doing some quick 466 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,159 Speaker 1: maths here like, and this is not perfect science, everyone, 467 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:24,159 Speaker 1: feel free to jump on ai. But a relatively recent 468 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 1: formula for figuring out your maximum heart rate, remember this 469 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 1: is just ballpark, is two hundred and eight minus your 470 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,399 Speaker 1: age times point seven. So two O eight minus your 471 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: age times point seven. So let me give you an example. 472 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 1: So let's say you're thirty five, or let's say you're fifty, 473 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: so that will be two O eight minus fifty times 474 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: point seven, which comes out to thirty five. Of course, 475 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: thirty five away from two to eight comes down to 476 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: one seventy three, so that would be your maximum heart 477 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: eight safely maximum heart rate one seventy three is or 478 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: one seventy five whatever, and then you just work down 479 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 1: from that. So if you wanted to work out sixty percent, 480 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,640 Speaker 1: you would just go one seventy three times point six 481 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 1: or seventy percent one seventy three times point seven. So 482 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: that's just kind of a kind of a guide that 483 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 1: you probably didn't need, but you might want to know, 484 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 1: how the fuck do I figure out sixty percent of 485 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: my maximum heart rate. 486 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 3: There you go, but let's just emphasize why it's important. 487 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 3: You know, aside from you know, the fabulousness of exercise. 488 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 4: It's it's ha. 489 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,479 Speaker 1: The worst ad ever for exercise. You're like the advertising booze. 490 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd probably be just as bad advertising booze as 491 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 3: you would. But the point here is what we're trying 492 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 3: to achieve is we want the body to get to 493 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 3: burn fat as much as possible, because you know, if 494 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 3: twenty percent of your body is a fat that is 495 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 3: active hurting you, then we wanted out of your system 496 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 3: as quickly as possible. And some people might go there 497 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 3: and say, well, then what I've got to do is 498 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 3: I've just got to exercise like a loan, and that 499 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 3: will actually be counterproductive because then you're into carbohydrate burning 500 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 3: and it's blocking your body removing fat. What you want 501 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 3: to be doing is exercising at you know, that sort 502 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 3: of up to sixty percent range, so that the body 503 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 3: is utilizing fat and preferably you know, the fat you 504 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 3: want to get rid of, but it'll be utilizing all fat, 505 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 3: but targeting getting that fat out of your body. 506 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: I have a quick story. The other day I finished 507 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: a workout and I don't drink many protein drinks these days. 508 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: But I stopped in two old seven eleven, where I 509 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: usually get a coffee debuted anyway. I went, I'm going 510 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: to get a protein drink, an up and go of 511 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 1: got well new to me thing, and it's just like 512 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 1: up and go protein. I had to look at the 513 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: protein's forty so I'm like, that's a lot of protein 514 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: that'll do me. I was in a hurry, paid for that, 515 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: I got in the car, got in the car, I thought, 516 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 1: I better look at what's in it. It's like, really 517 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 1: quite high. Up was canola oil. Yep, and seven fucking 518 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: teaspoons of sugar. 519 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 3: I was gonna say, And is seed oil and sugar 520 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 3: and whatever protein pill or whatever else they've thrown in 521 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 3: there for good measure. You're essentially drinking seed oil and 522 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 3: sugar and the worst possible combination of things you could consume. 523 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: I know. I didn't drink it. I'm like, god, God, yeah. 524 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 4: And it's just like you want protein anyway, because. 525 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: I hadn't eaten for a while and I just needed 526 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: a little something. I know. I know you live on 527 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: fucking go go Yeah, yeah, you live on lard and bacon. 528 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 4: That's right. 529 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: Uh mate, where can people access that article? 530 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 3: I just saw usual spots, but just Facebook, LinkedIn or 531 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 3: over at David Gillespie dot org. 532 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 1: Just before we go, I said, does I asked chatters 533 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: about the use of these oils, specifically products made by Sanitarium, 534 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,719 Speaker 1: typically less vegetable oils in ingredients. Depending on the variety, 535 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 1: this may include canola oil, sunflower oil, palm oil. The 536 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 1: oil is usually added to one improved texture and mouthfeel. 537 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: Two fucking hell. Two provides fat soluble vitamin absorption. 538 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 4: Really free vitamin E that is required to stop them oxidizing. 539 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: Yes. Three increased calorie density. Oh, that's what we need 540 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: in the world. More calories fucking l Anyway, all right mate, 541 00:31:54,160 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 1: we'll chat off there, but to add something no, no, no, no, yeah, 542 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: good chat See you next time. Thanks buddy, Thanks, thank. 543 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 4: You, see you. Tiff M.