WEBVTT - James Bradley on confronting Australia’s largest garbage dump

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, Ruby Jones here every day on seven am.

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<v Speaker 1>This week we're bringing you a long form story from

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<v Speaker 1>the monthly, read by the person who wrote it. Today

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<v Speaker 1>we have author and critic James Bradley reading his piece

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<v Speaker 1>The Tipping Point. In it, he visits one of the

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<v Speaker 1>country's largest landfill sites to understand the dangers in how

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<v Speaker 1>we dispose of the millions of tons of waste that

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<v Speaker 1>we create. In confronting something we often seek to avoid,

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<v Speaker 1>the enormous waste of our modern lives, James examines the

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<v Speaker 1>nature of private consumption, its effects on the environment, and

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<v Speaker 1>the lack of accountability baked into the system. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>riveting piece. Enjoy It's Thursday, January nine.

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<v Speaker 2>The Tipping Point. It's a bitterly cold day in July

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<v Speaker 2>when I arrive at Cleanaway's Lucas Heights Resource Recovery Park

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<v Speaker 2>on Sydney's southern Edge. Standing in the car park, I

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<v Speaker 2>stare at the huge hill that rises up behind it.

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<v Speaker 2>Its sides a scree of pale rock and dirt. Thick

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<v Speaker 2>black pipes snake here and there across its surface like

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<v Speaker 2>some outside watering system, while several hundred meters away, just

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<v Speaker 2>over the crest of the hill. Heavy vehicles are bumping

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<v Speaker 2>back and forth, their business concealed by mounds of earth.

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<v Speaker 2>The hill is the Lucas Heights Landfill. Locked away beneath

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<v Speaker 2>its surface are tens of millions of tons of compacted garbage.

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<v Speaker 2>A decomposing mass of rubbish twenty five meters high, perhaps

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<v Speaker 2>a clomet along and not much less wide from here

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<v Speaker 2>that seems difficult to credit. Apart from the dozens of

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<v Speaker 2>ravens screeching overhead, there is little to suggest the presence

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<v Speaker 2>of so much waste. No smell, no tottering piles of rubbish. Instead,

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<v Speaker 2>it looks more like a mine or a building site.

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<v Speaker 2>Inside the office beside the car park, I am introduced

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<v Speaker 2>to the landfill manager, Elsie Chaiang. He is a slim

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<v Speaker 2>man in his fifties, with the aura of thoughtful calm.

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<v Speaker 2>I usually associate with somebody whose work involves taking time

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<v Speaker 2>over things, an artisan or a farmer. Perhaps. Chiang started

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<v Speaker 2>his career and waste in Hong Kong and began at

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<v Speaker 2>Lucas Heights after moving to Australia in twenty eleven. While

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<v Speaker 2>I put on my hard hat and florovest, he talks

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<v Speaker 2>me through the facility's operations. Originally set up in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty seven after the closure of the old Lucas Heights landfill,

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<v Speaker 2>it takes garbage from councils and businesses all over Southern Sydney,

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<v Speaker 2>excepting not just the rubbish wheels stick in our red

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<v Speaker 2>bins every week, but huge volumes of construction and commercial waste.

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<v Speaker 2>This is borne in by a steady stream of trucks.

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<v Speaker 2>As Chiang is speaking to me, several pass through the

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<v Speaker 2>gate outside the window, which wind their way up the

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<v Speaker 2>hill towards the active area are glimpsed from the car park.

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<v Speaker 2>These trucks deliver around three thousand tons of rubbish day,

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<v Speaker 2>or close to a million tons a year. Handling all

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<v Speaker 2>that waste requires a lot of engineering. Modern landfills aren't

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<v Speaker 2>just holes in the ground full of garbage. Their extremely

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<v Speaker 2>sophisticated industrial operations subject to strict environmental controls. Here at

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<v Speaker 2>Lucas Heights, for instance, the base of the landfall is

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<v Speaker 2>lined with a two point five millimeter membrane of high

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<v Speaker 2>density polyethylene, similar to the material used in plastic pipes

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<v Speaker 2>and bottles, over almost a meter of clay. This liner

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<v Speaker 2>is designed to prevent the highly toxic liquid that leaches

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<v Speaker 2>out of the waste from contamining groundwater or migrating into

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<v Speaker 2>rivers and creeks. The top is also covered first with

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<v Speaker 2>a three hundred millimeter thick intermediate deposit of rubble and dirt,

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<v Speaker 2>and then, once the area has settled, a final layer

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<v Speaker 2>of one point seven meters of soil, which will eventually

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<v Speaker 2>be remediated into parkland or bush Even the active part

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<v Speaker 2>of the landfill, known as the face, is carefully managed

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<v Speaker 2>and circled on every side with netting to catch anything

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<v Speaker 2>that might blow away. Some sense of what that actually

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<v Speaker 2>means can be gleaned from the diagram of the facility

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<v Speaker 2>that's positioned on a stand in the office. Seen from above.

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<v Speaker 2>The site is a bit over two kilometers from end

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<v Speaker 2>to end and about half that across, and a regular

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<v Speaker 2>oval nestled in the middle of thick bushland. The active

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<v Speaker 2>part of the facility is in the middle. At the

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<v Speaker 2>southern end, a patch of green marks out the parts

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<v Speaker 2>of the landfill that have been permanently covered and are

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<v Speaker 2>being rehabilitated into parkland or Near the northern perimeter, a

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<v Speaker 2>huge pit that will eventually be filled with garbages being

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<v Speaker 2>prepared for lining. There is something more inspiring about the

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<v Speaker 2>shear's scale of it, especially when one considers that Lucas

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<v Speaker 2>Heights isn't the only facility like this in Sydney. Bingo's

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<v Speaker 2>Eastern Creek landfill is even bigger, says Theolia's Woodlawn Echo

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<v Speaker 2>Precinct near Canberra, which also accepts a lot of Sydney's waste,

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<v Speaker 2>and they in turn are also only three of the

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<v Speaker 2>almost thirteen hundred landfills scattered around the country. This isn't

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<v Speaker 2>just garbage. This is garbage's geological force, a tide of

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<v Speaker 2>rubbish so huge it almost defies comprehension. Most of us

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<v Speaker 2>don't think about waste all that often, and when we do,

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<v Speaker 2>it's usually with discomfort and embarrassment. Waste is shunted to

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<v Speaker 2>the margins of our consciousness, both metaphorically and in a

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<v Speaker 2>much more literal sense, ending up being shipped away to

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<v Speaker 2>the outskirts of our cities and towns, and that goes

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<v Speaker 2>double for landfill. Although many people get a warm glow

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<v Speaker 2>out of recycling in the other forms of resource recovery,

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<v Speaker 2>landfill is different. That's where the other stuff goes. The

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<v Speaker 2>stuff we can't or more accurately, choose not to recover,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's a lot of that stuff. Australia generates around

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<v Speaker 2>seventy six million tons of waste a year, while a

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<v Speaker 2>bitter over sixty fears center that is recycled or recovered

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<v Speaker 2>in some way Close to a third. More than twenty

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<v Speaker 2>three million tons, almost a ton for every person in

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<v Speaker 2>the country ends up in landfill. About thirty percent of

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<v Speaker 2>this waste is organic material, food waste, garden waste, timber,

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<v Speaker 2>and other items, but it also incorporates large amounts of

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<v Speaker 2>cardboard and paper, plastic, metal, building materials, glass, and soil

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<v Speaker 2>contaminated with asbestos, chemicals or other hazardous wastes. As we

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<v Speaker 2>wind up around the mound in a ute, Chiang points

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<v Speaker 2>out the jetsons like structure of the Lucas Heights Nuclear reactor,

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<v Speaker 2>a complometer or so to the east. The southern half

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<v Speaker 2>of the landfill is inside the exclusion zone that surrounds

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<v Speaker 2>the reactor, a conjunction that seems almost too neat. When

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<v Speaker 2>I ask Chiang whether that worries him, he replies that

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<v Speaker 2>it's a good thing because it means there's no chance

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<v Speaker 2>of the land around that part of the facility being

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<v Speaker 2>zoned for housing. On the western slope, where the mound

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<v Speaker 2>has been covered over and the ground drops away towards

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<v Speaker 2>the bush land that surrounds the facility, grass grows, giving

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<v Speaker 2>the space a bucolic feel. It is only slightly diminished

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<v Speaker 2>by the network of snaking pipes. At the top of

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<v Speaker 2>the mound. We stop and climb out. Birds swirl overhead,

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<v Speaker 2>hundreds of ravens, as well as great flocks of ibis

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<v Speaker 2>moving in formation, seagulls and dozens of pelicans, all honking

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<v Speaker 2>and shrieking as they fight for space to land amid

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<v Speaker 2>the trucks in front of us, A line of orange

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<v Speaker 2>flags and a black pipe mark the boundary of the grass.

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<v Speaker 2>Beyond them, the ground drops away into a shallow depression

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<v Speaker 2>where huge trucks and bulldozers grind up and down through,

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<v Speaker 2>spilling piles of garbage. At one end, trucks are off

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<v Speaker 2>loading bags and bags of rubbish, pouring out in great mounds.

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<v Speaker 2>Once they've done that, one of several bulldozers bumps in

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<v Speaker 2>and starts spreading it out, and finally, a massive, long

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<v Speaker 2>bodied vehicle with sawtoothed wheels two or three meters in diameter,

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<v Speaker 2>looking like it would be more at home in mad

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<v Speaker 2>Macs grinds over the top the points on its wheels

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<v Speaker 2>to compact the waste. While we stare at the trucks,

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<v Speaker 2>I try to make notes about the profusion of stuff

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<v Speaker 2>spread out in front of me. There is almost too

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<v Speaker 2>much to make sense of it. I can see tens

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<v Speaker 2>of thousands of bags, many of them broken open, their

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<v Speaker 2>contents spilling out. But I also spot broken furniture and

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<v Speaker 2>bits of clothing that flap in the wind, as well

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<v Speaker 2>as appliances and other less identifiable objects. There is a

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<v Speaker 2>surprising number of splintered building paletts and what seems to

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<v Speaker 2>be the framework for an entire wall, as well as

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<v Speaker 2>bundles of plastic taping unraveled from some building site delivery.

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<v Speaker 2>I asked Chayang what the weirdest thing he has ever

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<v Speaker 2>found is. He says that the police often come looking

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<v Speaker 2>for evidence of one kind or another, usually guns or clothing,

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<v Speaker 2>never bodies, I ask, He smiles. In Hong Kong, I

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<v Speaker 2>did help the police look for a body, but we

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't find it. After a minute or two, I noticed

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<v Speaker 2>the garbage seems to be moving. A curious seething motion

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<v Speaker 2>rippling across the surface. At first I think it must

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<v Speaker 2>be the bag shifting as they settle. Then I realize

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<v Speaker 2>it's the birds scrambling here and there as the rubbish

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<v Speaker 2>is spread and compacted, gobbling anything they can see. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you get rats?

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<v Speaker 1>I ask?

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<v Speaker 2>Chiang thinks for a moment and then shakes his head.

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<v Speaker 2>Not really. There may not be rats, but it definitely smells,

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<v Speaker 2>although far less than I expected to My untrained knows

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<v Speaker 2>the odour is similar to my red bin at home,

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<v Speaker 2>a sharp, slightly unpleasant tang. This is a typical fresh

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<v Speaker 2>waist smell, Chiang says, with a smile. The older waist

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<v Speaker 2>has a different smell. How do they differ? I ask?

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<v Speaker 2>He shrugs. Older waiste is less good, more sour. All

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<v Speaker 2>waste makes different smells. When we had the garden waist

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<v Speaker 2>here a few years ago, that also generated a different odor.

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<v Speaker 2>Even well run landfills, such as Lucas Heights, produce odors,

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<v Speaker 2>meaning smell is a constant concern for landfill operators, especially

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<v Speaker 2>as cities small outwards. In twenty twenty two, Clean even

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<v Speaker 2>Haul landfill site in Melbourne's West was fined twenty thousand

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<v Speaker 2>dollars over smell complaints. Residents spoke of not being able

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<v Speaker 2>to open their windows because of the stench, which one

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<v Speaker 2>person described as like a rotten chemical, like a rotten stink,

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<v Speaker 2>like air freshener, but it's not right. Earlier this year,

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<v Speaker 2>Bingo's subsidiary Dial Dump was fined two hundred and eighty

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars over persistent reports offensive smells emanating from its

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<v Speaker 2>vast Eastern Creek landfill in Sydney's West. Even more problematic

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<v Speaker 2>are residents such as the underground fire at the Barrow

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<v Speaker 2>Group's Sunshine landfill in Melbourne's West, which broke out in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty nineteen and is still burning at the time of writing. Residence,

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<v Speaker 2>some of whose houses are only sixty meters from the site,

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<v Speaker 2>speak of having to stay indoors and keep windows and

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<v Speaker 2>doors closed on days the wind blows the smoke towards them.

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<v Speaker 2>The problem of odour and other forms of contamination is

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<v Speaker 2>further complicated by the fact that landfills were frequently situated

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<v Speaker 2>an area of relatively low socioeconomics status. The area around

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<v Speaker 2>the Sunshine landfill borders some of Melbourne's least advantage suburbs.

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<v Speaker 2>In the case of Lucas Heights. The bushland that surrounds

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<v Speaker 2>it diminishes its impact on residents, but that doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 2>there aren't ever complaints. When we get a complaint, we

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<v Speaker 2>always try to identify the source of the smell, says Chayang.

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<v Speaker 2>So we ask questions about what the smell is. But

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes they cannot really describe it. They just say, tip Booter,

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<v Speaker 2>the smell is an indicator of something else, however, something

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<v Speaker 2>far more significant. Not all the garbage being spread and

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<v Speaker 2>compacted by the bulldozers is inert in organic matter such

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<v Speaker 2>as concrete and metal. Instead, it contains large amounts of

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<v Speaker 2>organic material. A lot of this is food waste, but

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<v Speaker 2>certainly not all of it, as the building Pellett's been

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<v Speaker 2>crushed by the compact to demonstrate, there is also a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of wood, as well as cardboard, paper, and other

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<v Speaker 2>items such as nappies and adult and continence products. Even

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<v Speaker 2>before it arrives here, this mess of organic material will

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<v Speaker 2>have begun to decomposechrobes invade it, they begin to break

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<v Speaker 2>down the chemical bonds that hold it together, transforming organic

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<v Speaker 2>compounds such as proteins, lipids, and carbohydrates into sugars and

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<v Speaker 2>amino acids and releasing carbon dioxide. But this is only

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<v Speaker 2>the first stage in the process. As the supply of

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<v Speaker 2>oxygen is cut off, either by the weight of the

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<v Speaker 2>garbage above or by the layer of earth on top

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<v Speaker 2>of the mound, anaerobic bacteria takeover. These convert the increasingly

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<v Speaker 2>soupy mess into acids and alcohol. This process, which can

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<v Speaker 2>continue for decades, generates heat the interior of a landfall

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<v Speaker 2>is typically between sixty to ninety degrees centigrade, as well

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<v Speaker 2>as large amounts of liquid in the form of highly

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<v Speaker 2>acidic leachate. This leachate, which must be channeled out for treatment,

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<v Speaker 2>usually contains a small gus board of toxins, ranging from

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<v Speaker 2>heavy metals to pesticides and dangerous industrial chemicals such as

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<v Speaker 2>polychlorinated biphenyls or PCBs. Of particular concern a high concentrations

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<v Speaker 2>of PERR and polyfluo alcohol substances more commonly known as

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<v Speaker 2>pfazes or forever chemicals used in an astonishing variety of

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<v Speaker 2>industrial and commercial applications, fire fighting foams, non stick surfaces

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<v Speaker 2>on cooking products, electrical cables, paint glue, waterproof fabrics, carpet

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<v Speaker 2>and even makeup and lipstick. Pfazes have been linked to

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<v Speaker 2>a long list of cancers, birth and developmental abnormalities, hormonal problems,

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<v Speaker 2>and other disorders. They are also inconveniently for landfill operators,

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<v Speaker 2>highly mobile and capable of traveling long distances if they

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<v Speaker 2>enter groundwater. In twenty seventeen, a study of twenty seven

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<v Speaker 2>Australian landfills found pfazes in the leech eight at all

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<v Speaker 2>of them. And while most states now regulate the disposal

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<v Speaker 2>of prefazes, leaks still occur, particularly as landfills age. No

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<v Speaker 2>Less importantly, decomposing landfill produces a cocktail of gases. These

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<v Speaker 2>include trace elements of unpleasant substances such as dimethyl and

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<v Speaker 2>hydrogen sulfides, the compounds responsible for the unpleasant odor many

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<v Speaker 2>of us associate with rotten garbage, ammonia and benzene, as

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<v Speaker 2>well as considerable quantities of carbon dioxide. But most importantly,

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<v Speaker 2>decomposing landfill releases large amounts of methane. Methane is the

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<v Speaker 2>main constituent in natural gas, and as such is highly flammable.

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<v Speaker 2>More significantly, however, it is an extremely potent greenhouse gas,

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<v Speaker 2>trapping close to thirty times as much heat across a

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<v Speaker 2>century as carbon dioxide. Its potency means curbing methane emissions

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<v Speaker 2>is a crucial part of the fight against climate change.

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<v Speaker 2>But after plateauing in the early years of the twenty

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<v Speaker 2>first century, methane emissions began rising again in two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and six and have continued to accelerate, particularly in the

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<v Speaker 2>years since twenty twenty. This spike and methane emissions is

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<v Speaker 2>one of the biggest obstacles keeping global heating under one

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<v Speaker 2>point five degrees and cutting methane emissions by forty five

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<v Speaker 2>percent by twenty thirty would avoid zero point three d

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<v Speaker 2>degrees of heating. About sixty percent of methane emissions are

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<v Speaker 2>caused by humans. Three quarters of this comes from agriculture,

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<v Speaker 2>largely of what is known as enteric fermentation or cow

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<v Speaker 2>verbs and fossil fuel extraction, but most of the rest

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<v Speaker 2>is produced by landfills and waste management. Indeed, while landfill

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<v Speaker 2>gas only makes up about twenty percent of anthropogenic methane emissions,

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<v Speaker 2>the potency of the methane means that the decomposing landfill

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<v Speaker 2>accounts for just under two percent of greenhouse emissions, about

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<v Speaker 2>the same as aviation or global shipping. To put that

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<v Speaker 2>in perspective, that's almost twice Australia's total emissions, not a

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<v Speaker 2>lot less than those of Japan, the seventh largest emitter

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<v Speaker 2>in the world. Here in Australia, landfills are estimated to

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<v Speaker 2>produce around three percent of our total emissions. Worse yet,

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<v Speaker 2>that figure may be an underestimate. Until recently, calculations of

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<v Speaker 2>the emissions from landfills were mostly based on modeling of

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<v Speaker 2>data from a small number of facilities. But over the

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<v Speaker 2>past few years a network of satellite its and aircrafts

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<v Speaker 2>and carrying out more direct observations is revealed that many

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<v Speaker 2>landfills emit far more methane than previously understood. A study

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<v Speaker 2>published earlier this year showed landfills in the United States

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<v Speaker 2>produced one point four times more methane than previously reported,

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<v Speaker 2>while analysis of satellite data by The Guardian identified several

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<v Speaker 2>hundred huge leaks of methane at landfills around the world

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty two. The vast bulk of these super

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<v Speaker 2>emitter events were centered on large, poorly managed landfills and

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<v Speaker 2>developing countries such as India, Pakistan and Bangladesh that are

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<v Speaker 2>also detected in Europe, The United States and in one instance, Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>Landfill operators have traditionally dealt with this problem by the

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<v Speaker 2>flaring the gas, essentially burning it off as it leaks out,

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<v Speaker 2>or by extracting the gas and using it to generate electricity.

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<v Speaker 2>This converts to the methane into carbon dioxide, which, while

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<v Speaker 2>still a greenhouse gas, traps far less heat, at least

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<v Speaker 2>in the short term. Lucas Heights, like most large landfills

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<v Speaker 2>in Australia, takes the second approach, sinking dozens of gas

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<v Speaker 2>wells into the mound and piping the gas to a

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<v Speaker 2>small power plant in one corner of the site, a

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<v Speaker 2>process that produces enough electricity to power twenty five thousand homes.

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<v Speaker 2>Clean Away estimates its gas wells at Lucas Heights capture

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<v Speaker 2>about ninety percent of the methane the facility produces, but

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<v Speaker 2>other facilities are less scrupulous. Australian government figures estimate that

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<v Speaker 2>less than half the gas produced by landfills gets caught,

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<v Speaker 2>and only about four fifths of that, or a bit

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<v Speaker 2>under forty percent of the total, is converted into energy.

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<v Speaker 2>Or to put that another way, more than sixty percent

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<v Speaker 2>of the methane released by Australian landfills leaks away into

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<v Speaker 2>the atmosphere.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up after the break. Can Australia rise to the

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<v Speaker 1>challenge of our waste management problem?

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<v Speaker 2>Methane emissions produced by landfill or only one part of

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<v Speaker 2>a far larger problem with the way Australia handles its waste.

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<v Speaker 2>The transition to a low carbon world depends upon a

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<v Speaker 2>move to a more sustainable and therefore more circular economy.

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<v Speaker 2>Rather than bundling up our crap and tipping it into

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<v Speaker 2>a hole, we should be reusing and recycling far more

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<v Speaker 2>than we do at present. Many of the technologies needed

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<v Speaker 2>to enable this shift already exist. Cardboard, metal, plastic, and

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<v Speaker 2>many other materials can be recovered and recycled. Methane emissions

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<v Speaker 2>from landfill could be rapidly reduced by requiring all landfill

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<v Speaker 2>operators to install gas capture technology, or, better yet, by

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<v Speaker 2>simply banning the flow of organics to a landfill altogether.

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<v Speaker 2>Once diverted from landfill, food waste could be transformed into

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<v Speaker 2>compost or combined with other organic waste in anaerobic digesters.

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<v Speaker 2>These devices, which employ the same processes of decomposition that

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<v Speaker 2>take place in landfills. Under controlled conditions allow one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>percent of the gas produced to be captured and transformed

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<v Speaker 2>in to energy, and the remaining material, known as digestate,

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<v Speaker 2>to be used as compost. Material that is unsuitable for

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<v Speaker 2>ether composting or an aerobic digestion can be incinerated or

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<v Speaker 2>transformed in waste to energy facilities. A recognition of the

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<v Speaker 2>importance of increasing circularity was embedded in the National Waste

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<v Speaker 2>Policy under the Morrison government in twenty nineteen, which saw

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<v Speaker 2>all three levels of government agree to work together to

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<v Speaker 2>reduce waste and increase recycling. Central to the strategy was

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<v Speaker 2>an ambitious action plan that committed to recovering or recycling

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<v Speaker 2>eighty percent of Australia's waste, harving the amount of organic

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<v Speaker 2>waste ends up in landfill, and reducing per capita waste

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<v Speaker 2>by ten percent by twenty thirty. Five years later, those

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<v Speaker 2>targets look hopelessly optimistic. Not only has the overall resource

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<v Speaker 2>recovery rate barely shifted, but both the amount of organics

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<v Speaker 2>we sent to landfill and per capita waste production have

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<v Speaker 2>actually increased. Mike Ritchie is the managing director of MRA

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<v Speaker 2>Consulting Group of Australia's leading environmental consultancies. A former Director

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<v Speaker 2>of Waste Management and Resource Recovery Association Australia w M

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<v Speaker 2>double r Here's worked for VISI, served as a sessional

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<v Speaker 2>commission for the New South Wales Land and Environment Court,

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<v Speaker 2>and spent six years as national general manager at waste

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<v Speaker 2>giant Suez Australia. Richie says there is little to no

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<v Speaker 2>chance Australia will meet the targets under existing policy settings.

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<v Speaker 2>We're currently twelve million tons a year behind where we

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<v Speaker 2>need to be to meet and eighty percent recovery rate.

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<v Speaker 2>Richie says by twenty thirty, population growth and rising consumption

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<v Speaker 2>mean that gap will be closer to eighteen million tons.

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<v Speaker 2>To close that gap, we need to grow our recycling

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<v Speaker 2>rate by about two to three million tons a year. Historically,

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<v Speaker 2>Australia has never done anything like that. The best we've

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<v Speaker 2>achieved is about a million tons a year, so we

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<v Speaker 2>need to double or triple the rate we're growing recycling.

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<v Speaker 2>Richie argues that the fundamental problem is a lack of accountability.

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<v Speaker 2>We've seen almost zero coordination between the states, territories and

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<v Speaker 2>local government on how to actually achieve the targets, he says,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's not a single person in Australia at a state,

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<v Speaker 2>federal or local level whose job it is to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure we hit them. Gail Sloane is the chief executive

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<v Speaker 2>w M double R. When I ask her whether Australia

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<v Speaker 2>is on track to meet the waste targets, she laughs,

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<v Speaker 2>We're not even close, she says. Our recycling rate is

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<v Speaker 2>stagnated at sixty two or sixty three percent since twenty nineteen.

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<v Speaker 2>That means we have six years to grow it by

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen percent. That just isn't going to happen on our

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<v Speaker 2>current trajectory of investment in market development. When asked for comment,

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<v Speaker 2>the Federal Minister for the Environment in Water Tanya plipersec

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<v Speaker 2>emphasize the government's investment in recycling infrastructure with states, territories

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<v Speaker 2>in industry. We're spending one billion dollars on one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and thirty two projects which will recycle an extra one

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<v Speaker 2>point three million tons of waste while creating over three

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<v Speaker 2>thousand jobs. Plybersex said in an email statement. Once this

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<v Speaker 2>funding has been rolled out, we will almost double recycling

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<v Speaker 2>capacity in Australia. We've also funded twenty nine projects to

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<v Speaker 2>recycle food and organic waste, which will increase organic processing

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<v Speaker 2>by almost one million tons each year. Sloan dismisses this claim.

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<v Speaker 2>The investment that the government refers to as the Recycling

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<v Speaker 2>Modernization Fund commenced under the Morrison government to address the

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<v Speaker 2>approximately two million tons of predominantly plastic and paper material

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<v Speaker 2>that were kept in Australia when their export was banned

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty nineteen. It was never intended to address over

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<v Speaker 2>twenty million tons of valuable material going to landfill every year,

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<v Speaker 2>of which we need to divert least another ten million

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<v Speaker 2>tons in the next six years to achieve our twenty

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<v Speaker 2>thirty targets. Part of the problem is a lack of

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<v Speaker 2>policies designed to divert waste and in particular, greenhouse gas

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<v Speaker 2>generating organics from landfill. In the media, recycling and diversion

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<v Speaker 2>from landfill is often framed as a question of corporate

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<v Speaker 2>social responsibility. But Richie and every person I have spoken

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<v Speaker 2>to in the industry that this is a mistake. The

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<v Speaker 2>industry is economically rational. They won't drive four hundred kilometers

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<v Speaker 2>to pick up a ton of cardboard, nor will they

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<v Speaker 2>drive an eight ton truck around the suburbs of Sydney

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<v Speaker 2>to pick up food waste. He says, while he allows

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<v Speaker 2>it at some companies committing to such practices for brand

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<v Speaker 2>recognition reasons, that won't lead most to follow suit. The

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<v Speaker 2>economics are dragging them the other way. In a competitive world,

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<v Speaker 2>if I own a restaurant and it's cheaper for me

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<v Speaker 2>to land fill my food waste, then that's where it's going.

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<v Speaker 2>Waste is like a river, It flows downhill to the

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<v Speaker 2>cheapest price, and in Australia that's almost always landfill. In Europe,

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<v Speaker 2>governments have simply banned the flow of many materials to

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<v Speaker 2>landfill altogether, resulting in rates of land filling they are

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<v Speaker 2>as much as ninety to ninety five percent lower than

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<v Speaker 2>in Australia, which he prefers the use of levies which

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<v Speaker 2>they allow more flexibility. But he argues that either way,

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<v Speaker 2>governments haven't done that work. They haven't approached it and said,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, we've made a commitment to a target of

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<v Speaker 2>eighty percent recycling and fifty percent of organics and a

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<v Speaker 2>ten percent reduction in per capital waste generation, and this

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<v Speaker 2>is what the economic signals to achieve that need to be.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what's missing. He says that high level plan in

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<v Speaker 2>each state that says, this is the infrastructure we need

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<v Speaker 2>to build to achieve the levee, to achieve the targets.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the amount of plastic recycling infrastructure we need,

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<v Speaker 2>or concrete recycling, or construction waste or commercial waste recycling

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<v Speaker 2>that we need to lift each of those sectors up

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<v Speaker 2>to the eighty percent. At present, every Australian jurisdiction other

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<v Speaker 2>than the Northern Territory imposes a landfill levee. These levees

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<v Speaker 2>are generally higher in metropolitan areas than in regional centers,

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<v Speaker 2>and range from just under forty five dollars per ton

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<v Speaker 2>in Tasmania to one hundred and seventy dollars ten per

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<v Speaker 2>ton in Sydney. This price signal has already been extremely

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<v Speaker 2>effective at lifting rates of recovery and recycling of construction waste,

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<v Speaker 2>which have risen from around sixty four percent a decade

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<v Speaker 2>ago to almost eighty percent to day, partly because metal

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<v Speaker 2>and rubble and other forms of building waste are heavy

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<v Speaker 2>and therefore attract high levees, and partly because materials such

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<v Speaker 2>as steel and concrete are highly recyclable but While recovery

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<v Speaker 2>rates in the construction industry are rising elsewhere, they're heading south.

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<v Speaker 2>Rates of recovery of commercial and industrial waste have fallen sharply,

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<v Speaker 2>dropping from around sixty five percent to under sixty percent

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<v Speaker 2>since twenty sixteen, and after declining almost ten percent between

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<v Speaker 2>twenty fifteen and twenty eighteen, recovery of municipal waste has

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<v Speaker 2>stagnated it under fifty percent. Richie argues that in New

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<v Speaker 2>South Wales, an annual rise of just six dollars over

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<v Speaker 2>three years would be enough to place recovery and recycling

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<v Speaker 2>on a trajectory that would make it possible to meet

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<v Speaker 2>the targets, provided the revenue as invested in developing recycling infrastructure.

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<v Speaker 2>The problem isn't a lack of mechanisms, he says, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a lack of strategic thinking and willingness to take on

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<v Speaker 2>the issue of waste management, which has spent six months

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<v Speaker 2>in New South Wales with the CEO of the Vironment

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<v Speaker 2>Protection Authority doing almost daily press conferences about as best

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<v Speaker 2>as in garden mulch. And important as that is, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just not as important as building a sustainable society. This

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<v Speaker 2>problem is particularly stark when it comes to food waste

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<v Speaker 2>or what people in the waste business dub putes for putrescibles.

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<v Speaker 2>Food waste makes up well over half the waste produced

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<v Speaker 2>by households, and most of it ends up in landfill,

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<v Speaker 2>where it produces me sane. Because the cost of landfill

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<v Speaker 2>remains below the point where it is more economic for

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<v Speaker 2>councils to start separating out food waste, uptake of food

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<v Speaker 2>organics and garden organics recycling or FOGO has been limited,

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<v Speaker 2>and in states where it has begun, such as Victoria

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<v Speaker 2>and South Australia, has been driven by mandates. In states

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<v Speaker 2>such as New South Wales, where councils are not required

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<v Speaker 2>to move to separate FOGO collection until twenty thirty, less

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<v Speaker 2>than a quarter of Sydney's councils are set up FOGO schemes.

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<v Speaker 2>As a result, New South Wales has not seen the

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<v Speaker 2>development of industrial scale composting facilities such as those that

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<v Speaker 2>have come online in Victoria and South Australia in recent years.

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<v Speaker 2>But food waste is only one area where a failure

0:27:05.880 --> 0:27:08.359
<v Speaker 2>to put in place the necessary market conditions is holding

0:27:08.400 --> 0:27:12.600
<v Speaker 2>back investment in recycling. Although technology exists to convert many

0:27:12.640 --> 0:27:16.560
<v Speaker 2>plastics into pellets capable of being re used. Australian manufacturers

0:27:16.560 --> 0:27:18.840
<v Speaker 2>are not required to use a minimum amount of recycled

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<v Speaker 2>plastic or to use locally produced pellets, meaning that in

0:27:22.520 --> 0:27:25.880
<v Speaker 2>those cases where a cycled plastic is incorporated in new products,

0:27:26.200 --> 0:27:29.040
<v Speaker 2>it is almost always imported from China, where it can

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<v Speaker 2>be produced more cheaply than it can here. Similarly, almost

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<v Speaker 2>two point five million tons of timber ends up in landfill,

0:27:36.280 --> 0:27:39.720
<v Speaker 2>where it emits large quantities of methane. Much of this

0:27:39.800 --> 0:27:43.520
<v Speaker 2>timber also comes from native forests, contradicting the timber industry's

0:27:43.520 --> 0:27:46.439
<v Speaker 2>claims that the carbon contained in the timber removed from

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<v Speaker 2>forests is stored in wood products rather than ending up

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<v Speaker 2>in the atmosphere. These changes need to be complemented by

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<v Speaker 2>better regulation higher up the waste stream. Products. Jewish ship schemes,

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<v Speaker 2>which require manufacturers to take responsibility for the clar election

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<v Speaker 2>and disposal of the products they produce, have the potential

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<v Speaker 2>to reduce environmental impact. This is especially true when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to hazardous materials, but the same principles are also

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<v Speaker 2>applicable to many non hazardous materials. The most recent nationwide

0:28:14.440 --> 0:28:17.920
<v Speaker 2>study of product stewardship schemes published in twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 2>identified one hundred and six schemes in Australia, covering materials

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<v Speaker 2>as various as clothing, beauty products, and agricultural chemicals. In total,

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<v Speaker 2>these schemes collected three hundred and sixty six thousand tons

0:28:30.560 --> 0:28:34.240
<v Speaker 2>of materials in twenty twenty two. Yet almost all of

0:28:34.320 --> 0:28:37.720
<v Speaker 2>these schemes are extremely small scale, and the vast majority

0:28:37.760 --> 0:28:41.320
<v Speaker 2>collect only a fraction of the products they apply to. Indeed,

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<v Speaker 2>if the one hundred and six schemes studied, only nine

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<v Speaker 2>had an effectiveness of more than fifty percent, and the

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<v Speaker 2>remaining ninety seven had an average effectiveness of just four

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<v Speaker 2>percent or didn't report at all. Perhaps unsurprisingly, the schemes

0:28:55.280 --> 0:28:58.400
<v Speaker 2>that are most effective are mostly mandatory, although tire and

0:28:58.440 --> 0:29:01.320
<v Speaker 2>paint schemes, both of which are funded by industry, are

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<v Speaker 2>also extremely successful. In some cases, the lack of effective

0:29:06.200 --> 0:29:10.280
<v Speaker 2>products stewardship schemes has significant safety implications. The failure to

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<v Speaker 2>mandate the collection of batteries is believed to be a

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<v Speaker 2>factor in the increasing number of fires at landfills on

0:29:15.440 --> 0:29:19.760
<v Speaker 2>garbage trucks. Anecdotally, the problem appears to be driven by vapes,

0:29:20.120 --> 0:29:23.080
<v Speaker 2>which have an habit of igniting when crushed in garbage compactors.

0:29:23.920 --> 0:29:26.720
<v Speaker 2>But it also means manufacturers continue to design and produce

0:29:26.800 --> 0:29:29.960
<v Speaker 2>goods that cannot be easily recycled or reused because they

0:29:29.960 --> 0:29:32.400
<v Speaker 2>are not being made responsible for the cost of disposing them.

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<v Speaker 2>Behind all these questions, of course, is the problem of

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<v Speaker 2>how much waste we produced in the first place and

0:29:39.080 --> 0:29:43.040
<v Speaker 2>the consumption that drives it. Again, government has a role

0:29:43.080 --> 0:29:46.200
<v Speaker 2>to play through the establishment of right to repair obligations

0:29:46.440 --> 0:29:49.280
<v Speaker 2>and other schemes that extend the lifetime of products, or

0:29:49.320 --> 0:29:53.880
<v Speaker 2>the outlawering of single use products in unnecessary packaging. But ultimately,

0:29:54.520 --> 0:29:57.200
<v Speaker 2>cutting consumption depends upon a shift away from a culture

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<v Speaker 2>the privileges the accumulation of private wealth to one built

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<v Speaker 2>around principles of public good and the shared use of resources.

0:30:05.720 --> 0:30:08.000
<v Speaker 2>A move to a more circular economy would have huge

0:30:08.000 --> 0:30:12.479
<v Speaker 2>benefits for Australia. In almost every instance, recycling not only

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<v Speaker 2>avoids the need to source new raw materials, thus avoiding

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<v Speaker 2>destructive mining and deforestation, it uses far less energy. Recycled cardboard,

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<v Speaker 2>for instance, requires only around three quarters of the energy

0:30:23.840 --> 0:30:25.920
<v Speaker 2>in a fraction of the water needed to produce cardboard

0:30:25.960 --> 0:30:29.520
<v Speaker 2>from virgin pulp, while Fabricating an aluminium can out of

0:30:29.560 --> 0:30:32.560
<v Speaker 2>recycled metal only demands around five per cent of the

0:30:32.680 --> 0:30:37.240
<v Speaker 2>energy required to produce one from scratch. Similarly, recycling a

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<v Speaker 2>ton of glass avoids the extraction of one point two

0:30:40.120 --> 0:30:44.600
<v Speaker 2>tons of raw materials such as sand, soda, ash, and limestone,

0:30:44.920 --> 0:30:49.320
<v Speaker 2>and reduces energy consumption by three quarters across the economy,

0:30:49.720 --> 0:30:53.000
<v Speaker 2>these savings stack up quickly. One recent study suggests that,

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<v Speaker 2>in combination with the banning of organics from landfill and

0:30:56.080 --> 0:30:59.040
<v Speaker 2>more effective capture of landfill gas and waste to energy,

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<v Speaker 2>increase rates of recovery and recycling could cut a strugger's

0:31:02.760 --> 0:31:06.120
<v Speaker 2>greenhouse gas emissions by up to ten percent and create

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<v Speaker 2>up to fifty thousand jobs. Why then, aren't governments taking

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<v Speaker 2>more decisive action? Governments don't like the grind, says Gale Sloane.

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<v Speaker 2>This is long term systemic policy, and that means making

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<v Speaker 2>decisions and sticking to them. Instead, they want to be

0:31:21.640 --> 0:31:25.320
<v Speaker 2>doing new stuff and announceables. But she also thinks it's

0:31:25.320 --> 0:31:28.080
<v Speaker 2>about a failure to understand the sector and a tendency

0:31:28.160 --> 0:31:30.240
<v Speaker 2>not to connect questions about how we handle waste with

0:31:30.320 --> 0:31:33.560
<v Speaker 2>climate and economic policy. Waste is still an end of

0:31:33.640 --> 0:31:38.000
<v Speaker 2>pipe afterthought for government, Sloane says, they don't take a material,

0:31:38.480 --> 0:31:41.760
<v Speaker 2>carbon and industry approach, so it's a very nineteen eighties

0:31:42.000 --> 0:31:43.920
<v Speaker 2>horse and cart, throw it out in the streets thing

0:31:44.040 --> 0:31:47.160
<v Speaker 2>for them. They're not thinking about the big questions, why

0:31:47.200 --> 0:31:49.920
<v Speaker 2>do we buy so much stuff? Where do we invest?

0:31:50.600 --> 0:31:53.720
<v Speaker 2>How do we improve design and manufacture? None of that

0:31:53.840 --> 0:31:55.760
<v Speaker 2>is where it needs to be. There's none of that

0:31:55.840 --> 0:32:00.280
<v Speaker 2>green deal thinking. Mike Ritchie thinks ministers frequently lacked the

0:32:00.360 --> 0:32:03.440
<v Speaker 2>bandwidth to spend time on waste policy, especially when so

0:32:03.600 --> 0:32:06.960
<v Speaker 2>much energy is being devoted to the energy transition. He

0:32:07.000 --> 0:32:10.280
<v Speaker 2>also admits divining a baffling. There are things you can

0:32:10.320 --> 0:32:13.200
<v Speaker 2>criticize about the government's climate policies. The one thing you

0:32:13.280 --> 0:32:15.080
<v Speaker 2>can't say is they aren't giving it a red hot go,

0:32:15.520 --> 0:32:18.600
<v Speaker 2>he says. But that's certainly not the case with waste.

0:32:19.240 --> 0:32:20.920
<v Speaker 2>When was the last time you heard someone saying the

0:32:21.000 --> 0:32:23.520
<v Speaker 2>government's going too hard on the landfill levy, or that

0:32:23.600 --> 0:32:26.560
<v Speaker 2>it shouldn't ban organics from landfill or force big companies

0:32:26.600 --> 0:32:29.320
<v Speaker 2>to recycle their food waste. It just doesn't make sense.

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<v Speaker 2>These are easy political wins. It's almost risk free politics.

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<v Speaker 2>At the end of my tour of Lucas Heights. We

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<v Speaker 2>stop at the northern end of the facility. Beside us

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<v Speaker 2>yawns a huge pit, perhaps six hundred meters square and

0:32:43.280 --> 0:32:47.000
<v Speaker 2>almost fifty meters deep. At the far end, a pull

0:32:47.040 --> 0:32:49.960
<v Speaker 2>of leech eight gleams in the winter light. At the

0:32:50.040 --> 0:32:53.160
<v Speaker 2>other several earth movers are loading rubble and dirt into

0:32:53.240 --> 0:32:55.040
<v Speaker 2>a truck, ready for it to be transported to the

0:32:55.120 --> 0:32:59.040
<v Speaker 2>mound behind us. Elsi Chayang explains that once the pit

0:32:59.160 --> 0:33:01.680
<v Speaker 2>is lined, will stop adding rubbish to the top of

0:33:01.680 --> 0:33:04.920
<v Speaker 2>the mound and start trucking in here instead, And once

0:33:05.160 --> 0:33:08.000
<v Speaker 2>it is full in twenty thirty seven or so, it

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<v Speaker 2>too will be capped, and this entire facility will cease operation.

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<v Speaker 2>As he speaks, I'm struck again by the pride he

0:33:15.760 --> 0:33:19.560
<v Speaker 2>takes in this place, its sufficiency and order. But I'm

0:33:19.600 --> 0:33:22.200
<v Speaker 2>also reminded of the sheer volume of garbage that ends

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<v Speaker 2>up here, and the failure of imagination and political will

0:33:25.760 --> 0:33:29.640
<v Speaker 2>it embodies. Perhaps that is just another manifestation of our

0:33:29.720 --> 0:33:33.120
<v Speaker 2>tendency to treat waste as an afterthought, something we banish

0:33:33.200 --> 0:33:36.160
<v Speaker 2>to the edge of consciousness. Perhaps it would be better

0:33:36.240 --> 0:33:38.520
<v Speaker 2>understood as a symptom of the culture of consumption that

0:33:38.600 --> 0:33:44.680
<v Speaker 2>shapes our society and the extractive assumptions upon which it rests. Nonetheless,

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<v Speaker 2>there is no question we need to find better ways

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<v Speaker 2>to think about the waste we make, what we do

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<v Speaker 2>with it, and to recognize the implications of our tendency

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<v Speaker 2>not to do so.

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<v Speaker 1>That was James Bradley reading his story The Tipping Point.

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