1 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: You can listen to the Front on your smart speaker 2 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: every morning to hear the latest episode. Just say play 3 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:23,319 Speaker 1: the news from the Australian. From the Australian, here's what's 4 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 1: on the Front. I'm Claire Harvey. It's Friday, September six. 5 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: Ndis Minister Bill Shorton is quitting politics for a university 6 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: vice chancellor job paying almost one point one million dollars. 7 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 1: Shorten will leave the government in February, leaving Labor to 8 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: fight the election without him. Alcohol taxes are now worth 9 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 1: nearly eleven billion dollars a year after big rises in excise. 10 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: That's the new claim from the lobby Group for pubs 11 00:00:55,640 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: and manufacturers, who say they're being overtaxed. Negotiations for a 12 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: ceasefire in Gaza have narrowed to a tiny piece of land. 13 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: Hamas calls it Selah al Din. Israel calls it the 14 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: Philadelphia Corridor. Haamas says Israel must leave the corridor. Israeli 15 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:20,199 Speaker 1: PM Benjamin Netanya, who says no, because he says that's 16 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: how weapons and ammunition get into Gaza. Today we explore Nettanna, 17 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: whose hardline stance as israelis real. From the News. Six 18 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: hostages were shot dead by Hamas. 19 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I apologize that we didn't get them out. 20 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 2: We worked so hard to get them. We were clothes, 21 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 2: but we didn't. 22 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: This is Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanna, who apologizing. He's 23 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: talking after he spoke to the grieving and angry families 24 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: of six Israeli hostages murdered in Gaza. Some of them 25 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: accuse Netanya who sacrificing their children by continuing his war, 26 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: and they. 27 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 2: Changed the torment. Our family is worried about their loved 28 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 2: ones to families grieving where they're fallen. Beloved that sentiment, 29 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 2: I know because I belonged to that family. But it's 30 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 2: a horror. 31 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: In an hour long addressed journalist in Tel Aviv earlier 32 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: this week, Ntnyahu went from the sorrowful grandfather grieving with 33 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: his people. 34 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 2: On October seventh, we experience the worst savagery metted on 35 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 2: the Jewish people since the Holocaust. These savages massacred our people. 36 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: To the analyst, they waited for. 37 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 2: Iran to start a general war with visual that didn't happen. 38 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 2: So then they waited for Hizballa to start a general 39 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 2: war with visual that didn't happen either. So now they 40 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 2: resort to the final tactic. They're going to sew discord 41 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 2: and create international pressure again using the hostages, even after 42 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 2: the murder. 43 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: To the war board. 44 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:01,239 Speaker 2: Now the world will seriously demand that we'll make concessions 45 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 2: after this massacre. What messages are sent to Hamas, I'll 46 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 2: tell you what the message is. Murder, more hostages, you'll 47 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 2: get more concessions. That's not only a logical, it's not 48 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 2: only a moral. It's not right insane. 49 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: He took a pointer and stood in front of a 50 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 1: giant map, like a university lecturer or a TV with 51 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: a man pointing at a map of the Middle East 52 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:26,959 Speaker 1: with Israel at its center. 53 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 2: Often you see maps of Israel, you think it's a goodliath. Well, 54 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 2: I'd like to give you first and overview of where 55 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 2: Israel is. This is the Middle East, and this is 56 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 2: the entire Arab world, and this is Israel. It's one 57 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 2: of the tiniest countries on the planet. It goes. 58 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 3: This is generally what baby does. 59 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: Jonni Vashan is a journalist with The Australian. He's been 60 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: traveling back and forth to report from the region since 61 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: the October seven attack by Hamas Johnny was the first 62 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: Australian journalist to bought from the ground in Gaza. 63 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 3: With many of his public statements, he knows he's not 64 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 3: just speaking to Israelis, but to Western leaders, to Western Parliament's, 65 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 3: students in Western universities. And he likes to use visuals. 66 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 3: He likes to use illustrations to do this. It's just 67 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 3: his style. It kind of reminds me of when he 68 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 3: spoke to the UN in twenty twelve about Iran's nuclear program. 69 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 3: So he held up a drawing of a spherical cartoon 70 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:25,679 Speaker 3: bomb with a red line through it near the top, 71 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 3: like near the wick, which was a light, and that 72 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 3: red line indicated that Iran was getting close to the bomb, 73 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 3: so to speak. And then he did the same thing 74 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 3: in twenty eighteen, he held a press conference in front 75 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 3: of a half tent of Uranian nuclear documents that had 76 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,919 Speaker 3: been well smuggled out of the country somehow by the 77 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 3: Israeli intelligence services. So he's a bit of a performer 78 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 3: like that. 79 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: When people talk about why there hasn't been a ceasefire 80 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 1: yet in Israel, they talk about the Philadelphia Corridor. That's 81 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 1: a tiny strip of land at the southern end of 82 00:04:56,320 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 1: Gaza between Gaza and Egypt. In two thousand and five, 83 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: Israel withdrew from Gaza, including the Philadelphi Corridor, and Neetnya 84 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,799 Speaker 1: who says that's when things started to go wrong. Weapons, 85 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 1: rockets and tunnel drilling equipment went in, funded by Iran. 86 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 2: It became a huge terrorist base because we left that corridor. 87 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: Israel took the corridor back in May as its forces 88 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: swept through southern Gaza. So if it's such an important place, 89 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: why did this only happen seven months into the conflict. 90 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 3: Well, it took them a while to secure the Philadelphi Corridor. 91 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 3: It's a strip of land on the southern border with Egypt, 92 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:39,679 Speaker 3: and it's basically what the Israelis call the smuggling lane 93 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 3: for all the anti tank missiles and weaponry that Hamas 94 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 3: has been buying with its Western aid money and quietly 95 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 3: stockpiling for seventeen years in tunnels which were also built 96 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 3: with Western aid money. But getting to that corridor took 97 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 3: time because, of course, the international community, namely the Biden administration, 98 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 3: put great pressure on the IDF not to go anywhere 99 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 3: near southern Gaza to Rafa's, especially for fear of greater 100 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 3: civilian casualties. Natanya, who pretty much knows that if he 101 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 3: gives up the Philadelphi Corridor, which seems to be at 102 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 3: least a partial condition of any ceasefire, then the smuggling 103 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 3: lanes will reopen, comas will regroup, and the war itself, 104 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 3: and the hundreds of Israeli soldiers killed in this campaign 105 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 3: over the last eleven months, well, that will have been 106 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 3: all for nothing. It would have been an enormous retreat 107 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 3: and tactically terrible. So he's sticking to those guns for now, 108 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 3: but facing immense pressure internally within Israel to make a 109 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 3: deal at almost any cost. 110 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,799 Speaker 1: Nanya, who is under pressure from two directions. One group 111 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: in Israel, the grieving and fearful families of hostages dead 112 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 1: and living and the furious protesters on city streets. And 113 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: the other group the world, particularly Western nations long term 114 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: allies of Israel, where citizens are increasingly horrified by the 115 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:02,359 Speaker 1: civilian death toll in Gaza. And it's this international pressure 116 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: which perhaps ironically is driving the Nyahoo to go harder now, 117 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: he says, when the international community, begging for a ceasefire, 118 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: says he should withdraw from the Philadelphia Corridor, and go 119 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: back in future necessary. He can't believe that because you. 120 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 2: All know and understand that the international community, including friendly countries, 121 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 2: under enormous domestic pressure because of the propaganda that's leveled 122 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 2: against is Isral and against that there'll be enormous international 123 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 2: pressure not to come back. What is their message and 124 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 2: the war and the war? 125 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: So Joanni, how do Israelis feel about the international community 126 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: turning on them? 127 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 3: There's a sense of disbelief. Really, the IDF is waging 128 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 3: a war against Islamic jihadism, against Iranian proxies, against basically 129 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 3: an ideological virus that doesn't just threaten Israel. So the 130 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 3: way is Raeli see it, it's their sons and daughters, 131 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 3: nineteen and twenty year olds who'd rather be on holiday 132 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 3: in Australia. Frankly, they're fighting against a movement controlled and 133 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 3: led by Iran that ultimately threatens the West and the 134 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 3: Western way of life. This isn't about Palestinian nationalism and 135 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 3: it never has been. The Hamas leadership doesn't give a 136 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 3: damn about its people. This is about advancing a sick 137 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 3: idea that Israel is a colonial outpost of the West, 138 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 3: and that the West itself is evil. 139 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 2: So people said, yeah, but if you stay, this will 140 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 2: kill the deal, and I say, such a deal would kill. 141 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: Us, coming up the increasingly impossible goals of Benjamin Netanyahu. 142 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: Do understand this conflict? Do you have to know? This tiny, dry, 143 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 1: rocky patch of land on the southeastern shore of the 144 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: Mediterranean has been fought over for thousands of years. It's 145 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 1: where the three great Abrahamic religions were born, first Judaism 146 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: with their prophet Abraham, then Christianity with the birth of 147 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: Jesus Christ their prophet, and Islam in the seventh century 148 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: with the rise of their prophet Muhammad. All three faiths 149 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: call it their holy land, and they've spent hundreds of 150 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: years warring over its holiest places, Jerusalem, Nazareth, Hebron. The 151 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: modern state of Israel was founded in nineteen forty eight 152 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: after World War II, when six million Jews were murdered 153 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: by Adolf Hitler during the Holocaust and countless others were displaced. 154 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: When the conflict finally ended, the United Nations had to 155 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: give those who survived the genocide somewhere to go, and 156 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: in nineteen forty eight, the newly formed United Nations split 157 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: it roughly in half and called one half Israel and 158 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: the other half Palestine. One day after that split, Arab armies, 159 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: including from Egypt, invaded Israel, and the Wars of raged 160 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: basically ever since. Hundreds of thousands of Palestine Indians living 161 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: in villages in the newly named Israel were displaced, and 162 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: many have never left the refugee camps they fled to. 163 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: Over the years, Palestinian control shranked two territories, the west 164 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: bank of the Jordan River and a tiny strip on 165 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: the Mediterranean coast called Gaza. Gaza's control by Hamas, which 166 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: won elections in two thousand and six and has declined 167 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: to hold elections since then. It's now effectively a one 168 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 1: party state. Hamas controls everything from the health services to 169 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: the schools. Israel, a parliamentary democracy, is now governed by 170 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:41,719 Speaker 1: a right wing coalition including Netnyahoo. He's a seventy four 171 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: year old former commando and former architect who's BNPM twice before. 172 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 3: He started off with a great deal of popularity and 173 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 3: support in the nineteen nineties, taking the Prime ministership about 174 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 3: one year after the assassination of its Akrabin. This was 175 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,199 Speaker 3: a horrible time for Israel. The first Inti far was 176 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 3: over by the time Bibi was elected, but he'd been 177 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 3: the opposition leader during this torrid period. It was a 178 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 3: time when Palestinian suicide bombers were blowing themselves up on 179 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 3: buses or in crowds or at nightclubs. So his platform 180 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 3: at that time was security and safety. He was an 181 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 3: elite commando in the Israeli Special Forces, well groomed, fiercely articulate, 182 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 3: an American educated at Israeli ambassador to the UN during 183 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 3: the nineteen eighties. These days, the narrative it hasn't quite flipped. 184 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 3: He remains popular with his base, but maintaining support in 185 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 3: the Israel of twenty twenty four is a difficult task, 186 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 3: especially when the country is becoming increasingly divided on religious lines, 187 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,679 Speaker 3: and especially since October seven, when fractures in the country 188 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 3: are so evident, especially on how the war effort is 189 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 3: being run. And by that I don't mean the number 190 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 3: of civilian casualties in Gaza. I mean the central aims 191 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 3: of the war itself being to return the hostages, eliminate hamas, 192 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 3: and restore Israeli security. Now more than ever these these 193 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 3: aims seem to be increasingly at odds with each other. 194 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: Journie Bashan is a senior journalist with The Australian. Thanks 195 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: for joining us on the front. Our team is Kristin Amiot, 196 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: Jasper leik Leat, Sammaglue, Tiffany Dimac, Joshua Burton and me 197 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,679 Speaker 1: Claire Harvey. For the best journalism twenty four to seven. 198 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: Join ours subscribers at Theaustralian dot com dot au