WEBVTT - Sharri | 10 February 0:00:01.440 --> 0:00:05.439 Live on Sky News. This is Sharry. 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:08.680 Good evening. Welcome Well. 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:11.400 I have a big announcement to make on the show tonight, 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:14.920 so stay tuned for that. It's coming up. Also tonight, 0:00:15.080 --> 0:00:18.160 the writings on the Wall for alban Easy Labor now 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:23.120 panicking that they're facing a major defeat. James Patterson, Steve 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:27.000 Price and Cameron Milner will all be on. Plus Israel's 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:32.599 hostages reminiscent of starved Holocaust survivors, yet the United Nations 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:36.160 keeps looking the other way. More on this in a moment, 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:40.440 and Alex Rifchin will be on live. And Trump's executive 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:45.320 order banning paper straws. This could be my favorite presidential 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:47.760 move yet and I'll tell you why a bit later, 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:52.479 But first tonight, there are strong signs now that Albin 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:55.920 Ezy is heading for a major defeat at the federal election. 0:00:56.760 --> 0:01:00.960 New political polling and the Victorian by elections appointing to 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:05.280 a shocking loss for Labor. In my view, the best 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:09.399 Albaneze can hope for. The best is a minority government, 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:14.280 but a major loss is a live possibility. In the 0:01:14.319 --> 0:01:17.440 by election in the Victorian seat of Werribe on the weekend, 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:23.440 there was a massive sixteen percent swing against Labor. In fact, 0:01:23.520 --> 0:01:27.320 Labour's primary vote in Werribe was the lowest at any 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:31.640 Victorian by election in the state's history, and the Liberals 0:01:31.680 --> 0:01:35.160 picked up the seat of Piran from the Greens, breaking 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:39.880 an eleven year Green streak. The Liberal primary was thirty 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:43.720 six point two percent and two party preferred was fifty 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:47.840 one point six The new Liberal MP, Rachel Westaway, said 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:51.320 one of the reasons for her win was her focus 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:52.560 on rising crime. 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:57.040 People are feeling unsafe, people running down. 0:01:56.840 --> 0:01:58.960 The street of Chapel Street with the Mashitti. 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:01.640 To five bombings, to work fire bombing of a local synagogue. 0:02:01.680 --> 0:02:04.400 These are outrageous things that we haven't seen before, in 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:06.800 a consistency that we've never seen before, and we've just 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:07.760 got to get on top of it. 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:09.200 Well. 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:13.560 With homeless tents on Chapel Street and rising crime, inner 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:16.959 city Melbourne is becoming kind of like in Minisan Francisco. 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:21.200 Adam Bound's seat of Melbourne covers much the same area 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:24.840 as Piran and with any luck, we'd see him lose 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:28.919 his job at the federal election. Now, while Labour didn't 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:32.040 run a candidate in the seat, the party does rely 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:35.040 on the Green's preferences in many seats, and it would 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:37.200 need the support of the Greens in the case of 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:41.320 a hung parliament. Now, the top three issues that saw 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:46.280 the Liberals win in this formerly safe Green seat were 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:52.440 cost of living, crime and housing. So yes, it's a 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:55.680 state by election, but the riding is on the wall 0:02:55.720 --> 0:03:00.480 for Labor and thankfully for the Greens as well. Question 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:04.840 Albanezi will be looking at these results and panicking. His 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:10.040 ministers on Breakfast TV today certainly indicated that they were worried. 0:03:11.360 --> 0:03:13.200 We know that people have been under a lot of 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:15.880 cost of living pressure and that's how we're one hundred 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:19.040 percent focused. Well, of course you pay attention, but I 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:21.960 think one of the interesting things about this result is 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:25.959 that there was a significant drop in the Labor vote, 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:27.760 most of it didn't go to the Liberals. 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:30.359 I think we'd known, regardless of what happens in a 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:32.560 state by election, that this election is going to be 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:36.480 really close. I think that's pretty clear. We take nothing 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:39.720 for granted. We've got to continue to talk and address 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:41.680 people's cost of living needs. 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:47.360 And Labour's own. From a Victorian campaign chief Cosamaris said 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:51.600 Labour's red wall in Melbourne's western suburbs has now crumbled 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:55.480 and he said it's now a red barb wire offence. 0:03:56.840 --> 0:03:59.720 It is easily the last PRIMI vote recorded by Glabor 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:04.160 Party and this is part of Melbourne well in Victoria's 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:04.840 electoral history. 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:08.760 Now at a federal level, I can tell you Peter 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:12.560 Dutton is hoping to pick up five seats in Victoria. 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:20.640 These include Aston, McEwen, Chisholm, Dunkley and Krangamite. And Dutton 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:23.840 also has a chance in both Teal seats of Couyong 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:28.040 and Goldstein. Now, aside from the results on the weekend, 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:32.159 there's also Redbridge polling that shows voters and outer suburban 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:36.960 seats are turning against the Prime minister. The survey shows 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:39.600 the coalition is a head of Labour by fifty one 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:42.000 and a half to forty eight and a half percent 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:45.920 on a two pp basis, and it shows that Albanese's 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:52.080 primary support has dropped to twenty seven percent in the suburbs, 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:57.839 while Dutton's primary has lifted to forty six percent. Redbridge 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:01.279 director Tony Barry also pointed out that the other big 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:05.719 risk for Albanezi is Victoria, where he says the bottom 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:09.960 is falling out of Labour's vote Now the hard truth 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:14.360 is that for many Australians life is much tougher since 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:19.640 the Albanese government came to office. Albanese's central attack line 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:23.320 against Scott Morrison was that he was to blame for 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:26.920 the cost of living crisis. He blamed Morrison for one 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:31.280 interst rate rise. Yet there's been twelve interrastrate rises under 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:35.560 the Albanese government. Now I'm not saying that that is 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:40.680 entirely the fault of the Albanese government, but Albanezi blamed 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:43.919 Morrison for the first rate rise, so surely he should 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:48.039 now accept responsibility for the twelve sins. And in terms 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:52.159 of national security, well, life was safe for all of 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:56.880 us when Morrison was Prime Minister, and now life in Australia, 0:05:57.480 --> 0:06:01.719 particularly for the Jewish community, is unrecognizable. 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:04.360 We've had dozens of. 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:08.960 Incidents a violent crime in Melbourne and Sydney the premiers 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:13.760 and police admit are basically terror incidents, even if the 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:19.719 police refused to technically classify them as such. Now, even 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:22.760 as we were horrified as all of this violent crime 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:32.560 was unfolding, alban Easy government ministers preferred to speak about Islamophobia. 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:33.560 And some of the anti Semitism and is Limophobia that 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:38.440 I have seen is really not in keeping with who 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:40.040 we are or who we should have sparked. 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:40.800 Be sorry. 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:43.440 So should we turn a blind eye to Islamophobia? Is 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:45.080 that what the coalition's saying. 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:47.800 If James Patterson thinks he's no as Lamophobia in Australia, 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:48.279 he's wrong. 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:51.640 He didn't say that, though, he said that when something happens, 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:54.400 it should be enough to just denounce. 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:56.640 And we went on to say that they're not at 0:06:56.680 --> 0:06:57.800 the same levels. 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:02.000 So with all all of this, a crippling cost of 0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:07.200 living crisis and a devastating national security situation, it's hardly 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:12.320 surprising that voters are punishing Alban easy and he deserves 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:21.800 every bit of the political backlash that's heading his way. 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:26.280 Now we know well the photographs of emaciated men and 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:31.160 women after the Holocaust, those who survived the concentration camps 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:38.280 were skeletal, hollowed cheeks weighing thirty sothter kilograms after starvation 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:39.680 for years. 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:41.120 And years and years. 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:46.480 These images have always shocked all of us, shaken us, 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:51.440 made us say never again. And yet on the weekend 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:56.240 we saw precisely the same starvation of Jewish hostages repeated 0:07:56.720 --> 0:08:02.080 again three fathers were finally returned to Israel, but they 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:07.120 were a shadow of their former selves. Ohad Benami went 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:14.560 from this to this, or Levy from this healthy looking 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:22.520 man to this skeletal figure, and Eli Sharrabi also unrecognizable. 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:27.400 Now I have to say, this is twenty twenty five, 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:31.960 not nineteen forty five. And President Donald Trump said, what 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:36.000 we are all thinking that these poor men look like 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:38.439 Holocaust survivors. 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:43.400 People that were healthy people a reasonably short number of 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:46.439 years ago, and you look at them today, they look 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:51.560 like they've aged twenty five years. They literally look like 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:56.040 the old pictures of Holocaust survivors, the same thing, I 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:59.320 mean the same thing. And I don't know how long 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:00.920 we're going to take that. 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:08.120 The United Nations has, without cause, continually accused Israel of 0:09:08.200 --> 0:09:14.959 war crimes. Well, Antonio Guterres, you can't look away from this. 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:21.360 This is what a war crime looks like. This is kidnapping, starvation, torture. 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:24.360 And cruelty. And what cruelty it is. 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:28.880 Eli only learned that his wife Leanne and their daughters 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:34.520 Noya and Yahelle, just aged sixteen and thirteen, had been 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:40.880 slaughtered when he arrived back in Israel sixteen months after 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:43.880 they were killed. They were murdered in their home at 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:48.920 Kidblutzbery on October seven. Eli had told the media that 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:53.000 when he was first released that he was very happy 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:57.160 to be coming home to his wife and daughters, unaware 0:09:57.240 --> 0:10:01.080 that they had been killed. This is unam adgable horror 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:05.120 and tragedy. Yet all the United Nations wants to talk 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:11.160 about is a two state solution, ethnic cleansing and Palestinian suffering. 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:16.079 So we're literally seeing pictures reminiscent of the concentration camps 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:20.280 and the UN doesn't have a thing to say about it. 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:25.760 Not one thing all the international community wants to talk 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:31.040 about is a ceasefire and rebuilding Gaza. Nothing from the 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:35.880 UN or the Red Cross all the other fraudulent humanitarian 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:41.520 groups about the state of innocent hostages. These are undeniable 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:45.840 war crimes. Staring at them in the face. Alex Rifchin, 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:48.080 who will be on the show a bit later, he 0:10:48.280 --> 0:10:51.720 says the reconstruction of the ruined buildings of Gaza is 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:56.560 a secondary consideration. He says, the real issue is how 0:10:56.600 --> 0:11:01.679 do you reconstruct a society which freely allowed Hermas knowing 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:05.960 their creed is violence, fanaticism and religious and racial supremacy. 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:10.199 A society from which four thousand civilians freely took part 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:14.760 in the murder plunder an abduction frenzy of October seven. 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:18.600 A society from which thousands line the streets to abuse 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:22.920 and mutilate captives and then kept some as slaves in 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:28.400 their own homes. A society that cheers as three emaciated 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:34.679 tortured Jewish Men, now resembling liberated concentration camp inmates are 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:39.880 subjected to still more indignity and torment. A society that 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:45.319 welcomes as prized assets convicted child killers, rapists, mass murderers 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:48.080 that any other society would prefer to be rid of. 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:55.360 That is the reconstruction the world needs to address. Alex 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:59.880 Is one hundred percent right. The time is long overdue. 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:04.160 When the world stops looking away and stares right into 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:09.000 the eyes of eli Or and o'had, the international community 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:14.200 and humanitarian groups need to confront the human atrocities that 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:19.600 her Mus has inflicted on innocent civilians. This goes against 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:23.520 their racial prejudice and their bias, but if they can't show. 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:27.040 Empathy for humans or humans. 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:30.640 Including Israelis, then they shouldn't be in their jobs and 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:34.600 perhaps President Donald Trump should look at overhauling the United 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:44.960 Nations because it's clearly a corrupt and broken organization. Now, 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:46.920 I'm going to come back to that topic with Alex 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:49.439 Ripchin after the break, but now let's return to the 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:52.520 Victorian by elections over the weekend. It has been a 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:57.360 shocking result for labor. This is panicking the Albaneze government 0:12:57.480 --> 0:12:59.960 as well. And I'm joan now by Sky News hosts 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:03.839 Steve Price and Joe Hildebrand. Great to see it, as 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:07.719 always it on Monday. Steve, you know seeds like Werribee, 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:09.920 these are safe labor seats. 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:12.439 This is traditional labor heartland. 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:15.040 So what do you think this means at both the 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:17.520 state and federal level. 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:22.080 Well, I think it's much more than just local issues. 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:24.120 I think it really is a reflection on how the 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:28.320 labor brand has been so trashed in Victoria by Daniel 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:32.600 Andrews and now by Jacinda Allen that the people voting 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:36.959 in these electorates don't see the big difference between state 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:42.439 government and federal government. I mean, let's quickly talk about Werribee. 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:47.000 I mean Weerribee has been held by the former Treasurer 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:50.760 Tim Pallace for ten years, Tim Palace is the blok 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:54.120 who was the treasurer in Victoria wrecked the economy. And 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:58.680 that area around Weerribe used to be farm land. It's 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:03.160 now carpet bombed, with houses built right next to one 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:07.280 another in suburbs that have got no infrastructure. There's no parks, 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:10.719 there's no trees. There's one lane roads in and out 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:13.040 of that place. And so people sit in their cars, 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:15.719 Sharry and Joe for up to an hour, hour and 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:18.240 a half just to get out onto the freeway. And 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:21.080 so they were never going to support labor. I mean, 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:23.960 labor looks like it will sneak back in, but only 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:27.200 on Green preferences. And when you talk about when you 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:32.160 talk about the seat in Chapel Street, Pran, I mean 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:37.200 Tony Lupton, the former Labor politician who held that seat 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:40.360 until ten years ago. He stood as an independent and 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:42.720 what did he do. He announced two weeks ago that 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:45.880 he was going to put the Greens last on his 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:49.080 how to vote card and he said that there has 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:52.200 been a thirty percent swing against the Greens. And the 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:55.120 reason why people turned on the Greens in that seat, 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:57.520 and I know it well because I lived there, was 0:14:57.560 --> 0:15:01.480 because he kept talking about how they had been turned 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:05.600 into a radical extremist party. He said seventy percent of 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:08.960 the reactions that he got about the Greens were what 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:10.960 they were saying about Palestine. 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:11.360 Yeah. 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:14.840 Yeah, he really campaigned on anti Semitism. Joe, and you've 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:17.400 corrected me. I was saying piranh. You're saying I'm saying 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:18.520 Bran love Pan. 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:21.680 I'm saying everyone else says Paran. That's why. That's that's 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:24.720 how you can distinguish between Melbourne and anyone from any 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:25.440 of these out of. 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:32.040 Town apologies for pronunciation's right. So, Joe, this area, you 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:36.800 know again, Adam Bant his seat of Melbourne at a 0:15:36.800 --> 0:15:39.680 federal level covers the same ground. There's also a bit 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:43.240 of coupjong in there as well. So you think that 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:46.120 the Green are going to struggle federally and with their 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:48.680 preferences flowing to labor, this is going to be worrying 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:50.480 the Albanese government, no question. 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:54.000 Well, Pran is just as one of those entirely sort 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:57.800 of obnoxious greeny tearly seats where everyone is with Steve. 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:03.520 Steve accepted, of course, which is very very affluent. It 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:07.280 can afford to vote purely on values, and of course 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:11.440 they had very nice, shiny progressive Green values when they 0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:15.440 swung to the Greens about ten years ago. And suddenly 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:18.480 when the Green's true colors show on an issue as 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:22.320 visceral as Israel and Palestine, and it turns out the 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:26.280 Greens are actually a bunch of knuckle dragging extremists, and 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:30.640 suddenly this seat, which again has a very high Jewish population, 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:33.120 it would be near the sort of the hot land 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:36.160 of sort of core field, which is in McNamara, where 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:39.000 Josh Burns's seat is around, and of course other seats 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:42.520 like Ku Yong as well. That suddenly these goes go, 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:45.760 oh my god, our local member hates us, hates our people, 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:48.840 wants to wipe our homeland from the map. So I 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:51.600 am not surprised at all that Israel was a huge 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:53.960 issue there and the former member who ran as an 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:57.240 independent was a key factor in the Greens downfall, and 0:16:57.360 --> 0:16:57.960 good on him. 0:16:58.520 --> 0:16:59.760 Where Abe the. 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:03.240 Betrayal is actually twofold because not only was Tim Palace 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:05.760 the treasurer, but Tim Palace was the most senior member 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:09.480 of the Victorian Right and it's always been the right 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:12.760 of the Labor Party that has represented and represented well 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:18.360 out of suburban working class, often very migrant heavy, multicultural, 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:22.000 real sort of real, sort of you know, struggle street seats, 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:24.760 you know, instead of again these inner city affluent seats 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:27.439 that bang on and on about you know, whatever it is, 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:32.240 climate change and gender and whatever. He defected from the 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:34.960 right to the left so he could hold on to 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:35.560 his job. 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:40.439 Never I'm all about the worker. 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:44.600 But he actually defected from the right to the left 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:48.120 when Alan became premier, presumably to hold onto his job. 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:50.639 Then decides he's just going to bugger off anyway, or 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:54.119 maybe he got tapped, and now that seat is holding 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:56.520 on for the fight of its life. So well done, 0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:58.200 the Victorian labor left. 0:17:58.280 --> 0:17:58.920 Not a big win. 0:17:59.040 --> 0:17:59.879 Good on you guys. 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:00.520 Anyway. 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:03.639 The results were good on the weekend and very positive 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:08.359 for hopefully the Greens being decimated in the upcoming federal election. 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:10.000 Now this is a bit of fun. 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:13.320 The City Morning Herald editor Bevin Shields picked a fight 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:17.439 with UFC chief executive Dana White, writing in a scathing 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:21.359 piece on the weekend which was subtly titlooed. Watching our 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:24.040 premier chat to UFC bus and Dana White made me 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:25.320 feel physically sick. 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:27.520 Well, Dana White hit back. 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:31.359 Have a look listen for a place that is so 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:35.880 tough and the people, everything on land and the water 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:39.320 can kill you. You have the biggest I've ever seen 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:41.960 in the media in my life. I saw a story 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:44.480 where a guy was like, I saw Dana do a 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:48.840 podcast with the Premiere and it physically made me sick. Holy, 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:52.879 you guys have to have the biggest of all time 0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:58.200 in the media here. I thought we had week week media. 0:18:58.280 --> 0:18:59.720 You guys win hands down. 0:19:01.960 --> 0:19:05.240 The UFC may not be genteel enough for The Herald's readers, 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:07.720 but you know, Steve, millions of people around the world 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:10.120 love the UFC. It's on in my house all the time. 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:15.199 My husband loves it every Sunday at least. So you know, 0:19:15.920 --> 0:19:19.200 this also is an economic boost to the New South 0:19:19.200 --> 0:19:24.280 Wales economy. And why should one spot in particular be excluded. 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:28.160 What just shows you how out of touch those nine 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:31.399 newspapers are. I mean, this bloke, you know, he's banging 0:19:31.480 --> 0:19:34.000 on two weeks ago saying he was going to open 0:19:34.040 --> 0:19:37.800 an office in Paramatta for some two journalists. I think 0:19:37.960 --> 0:19:40.960 to go and say and stay out there and report 0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:44.080 on the greater Western Sydney Man. Seriously, I mean, Paramount 0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:46.200 is not even the center of Sydney anymore, it's even 0:19:46.200 --> 0:19:49.320 gone further west. And he's also had a cracket cricket 0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:52.520 this guy. Now, how someone so out of touch with 0:19:52.560 --> 0:19:56.919 what ordinary average Australians like to see for entertainment should 0:19:56.960 --> 0:19:59.960 not be running a daily newspaper. I mean it's a ridict. 0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:03.080 Well maybe he's in touch with the Herald readers, maybe 0:20:03.160 --> 0:20:06.040 he is Joe, but I thought it was funny about 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:10.760 Peter fitz Simon's He also criticized the UFC, but he wrote, 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:13.240 according to the Australians Media section today, he wrote a 0:20:13.240 --> 0:20:14.080 book on boxing. 0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:15.680 Boxing's no less. 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:18.000 Yeah, it's as bad as violent as the UFC. 0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:18.280 Yeah. 0:20:18.320 --> 0:20:21.480 Look, Bevanshell is a lovely bloke. He's very genteel, he's 0:20:21.560 --> 0:20:24.240 very urbane. I'm not surprised that the UFC isn't his thing, 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:26.080 and I doubt it would be most Cinney Morning Herald 0:20:26.119 --> 0:20:29.360 readers thing either. But it's not really my cup of tea, 0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:31.960 to be honest. But I think whatever floats you, you know, 0:20:32.040 --> 0:20:35.159 if you enjoy it, if people are all doing it voluntarily, 0:20:35.200 --> 0:20:37.720 that's fantastic. You know, some of the best writers in 0:20:37.720 --> 0:20:40.960 the world not necessarily fits, but like Norman Mailer, you know, 0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:44.879 write about boxing is in this incredible high art form. 0:20:45.280 --> 0:20:47.720 I haven't been able to perceive that myself when I've 0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:49.680 seen you know, Appony Mundane swinging in there. 0:20:49.720 --> 0:20:51.040 But maybe it is there. 0:20:51.200 --> 0:20:53.520 But I think, you know, just I don't see why 0:20:53.560 --> 0:20:56.520 we have to impose, like surely, if we've learned anything 0:20:56.560 --> 0:20:58.840 in the twenty first century, it's just go and do 0:20:58.920 --> 0:21:00.680 what you want to do. You don't have the right 0:21:00.720 --> 0:21:02.920 to tell other people what the Canon can't say, Canon 0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:06.960 can't believe, Canon can't watch. Just let freedom rain. 0:21:07.640 --> 0:21:11.199 Yeah, absolutely, it's no rules and a cage with no 0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:14.400 rules in a cage exactly. All right, I think we're 0:21:14.400 --> 0:21:17.320 out of time. Steve Price, Johudebrand, thank you very so much. 0:21:18.440 --> 0:21:21.240 All right, let's return now to these shocking results for 0:21:21.320 --> 0:21:24.960 alban Easy on the weekend and Trump's tariffs as well, 0:21:25.000 --> 0:21:29.320 and enjoining me now, Shadow Home Affairs Minister James Patterson, James, great. 0:21:29.080 --> 0:21:30.040 To see you, as always. 0:21:30.640 --> 0:21:34.760 Look, the Albanezy government was today scrambling after Donald Trump 0:21:34.760 --> 0:21:38.520 announced a twenty five percent tariff on all steel and aluminium. 0:21:39.119 --> 0:21:41.840 As you know, these are two of Australia's biggest exports 0:21:41.880 --> 0:21:44.840 to the US. The Prime Minister has now said that 0:21:44.920 --> 0:21:48.800 he's scheduled an emergency call with Donald Trump. 0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:50.280 James Patterson. 0:21:50.359 --> 0:21:54.640 Clearly, Australia needs an exemption here. We had one before 0:21:54.760 --> 0:21:59.040 when Trump imposed lesser tariffs during the Turnbull government. But 0:21:59.280 --> 0:22:03.440 do you have confidence that alban Easy, let alone Kevin 0:22:03.520 --> 0:22:06.879 RD can negotiate their way out of these tariffs. 0:22:08.560 --> 0:22:10.480 Well, you're right, Charry. This is a very big test 0:22:10.520 --> 0:22:13.600 for the Albanezy government and their ambassador in Washington, d C. 0:22:14.080 --> 0:22:17.120 The template has been set when these tariffs were applied 0:22:17.200 --> 0:22:21.040 in President Trump's first trim. Australia secured an exemption from it, 0:22:21.119 --> 0:22:23.959 and that's the bare minimum that Australian workers and industry 0:22:23.960 --> 0:22:26.040 should expect from this government. It'll be a test for 0:22:26.080 --> 0:22:28.720 the Prime minister whether he can do that. I'm not 0:22:28.720 --> 0:22:31.800 sure he's putting sufficient energy and effort behind this task. 0:22:32.200 --> 0:22:35.080 Other world leaders, whether it's the Japanese Prime minister, the 0:22:35.200 --> 0:22:38.840 UK Prime minister, the Canadian Prime minister, the French Prime minister, 0:22:39.320 --> 0:22:41.760 or many others, have been beating a pathway to Donald 0:22:41.800 --> 0:22:46.200 Trump's door, both before his inauguration and since his inauguration, 0:22:46.600 --> 0:22:48.760 to have meetings with him, to transact business with him, 0:22:48.800 --> 0:22:51.480 to do negotiations with him and to assert their national interest. 0:22:51.840 --> 0:22:54.360 Our Prime Minister has no plans to go to Washington, DC, 0:22:54.560 --> 0:22:57.119 no plans to meet with President Trump. And I'm starting 0:22:57.119 --> 0:23:00.560 to wonder whether that is deliberate political strategy on his behalf, 0:23:00.880 --> 0:23:03.600 because he's worried what the Greens would do with a 0:23:03.680 --> 0:23:06.840 photograph of him in the Oval Office shaking President Trump's hand. 0:23:06.840 --> 0:23:09.160 I think he's worried that would be letterbox to every 0:23:09.160 --> 0:23:12.879 household in an electric like Wills in Melbourne, which pedical 0:23:12.920 --> 0:23:14.600 El holds and is under a threat from the Greens. 0:23:14.800 --> 0:23:16.800 And I wonder where he's now putting politics ahead of 0:23:16.800 --> 0:23:19.440 the national interest. The national interest dictates for the Prime 0:23:19.440 --> 0:23:22.240 Minister form a rapport with President Trump. That cannot be 0:23:22.240 --> 0:23:23.920 done over the phone. It must be done in person, 0:23:23.920 --> 0:23:26.119 and that's the only way we're going to secure exemptions 0:23:26.200 --> 0:23:27.200 on issues like this. 0:23:27.960 --> 0:23:30.520 And I think the fact that we saw Scott Morrison 0:23:30.720 --> 0:23:34.680 attend Marri Lago already, you know, I played the video 0:23:34.880 --> 0:23:38.639 on this show of him chatting with Donald Trump an Milania. 0:23:38.720 --> 0:23:42.119 So clearly Trump would be open to a relationship, of 0:23:42.160 --> 0:23:45.240 course with Australia if they were supportive leaders. But he's 0:23:45.280 --> 0:23:47.640 not stupid he knows what Kevin Rudd said in the past, 0:23:47.680 --> 0:23:49.639 he knows what Alberanze said in the past. 0:23:50.080 --> 0:23:51.640 But James, I want to ask you this. 0:23:51.840 --> 0:23:57.120 Given Malcolm Turnpule was able to negotiate an exemption previously, 0:23:57.520 --> 0:23:59.800 do you think the Albanese government should be able to 0:23:59.800 --> 0:24:01.119 do the same now. 0:24:02.920 --> 0:24:06.080