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Speaker 1: On scoring leaves Australia. This is the Wider Panalty Show.

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Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the Riada Panney Show. Coming

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Speaker 2: up tonight, Senator just Into Nama, Jim for Price and

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Speaker 2: former Liberal Senator Wholly us in a war of words.

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Speaker 2: James Campbell will weigh in on that. Shortly, Australia's East

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Speaker 2: Safety Commissioner called to appear before the United States Congress

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Speaker 2: after she was accused of being a direct threat to

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Speaker 2: free speech in America. Victoria Libertarian p David Limbrick will

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Speaker 2: join me to discuss that and renewed push to hold

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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister and his senior ministers accountable for their

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Speaker 2: role in the Britney Higgins cover up saga. Chris Merritt

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Speaker 2: will join me for that, and Mean Horowitz will have

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Speaker 2: all the latest from the US, from the release of

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Speaker 2: the Epstein files to Nicki Minaja's passionate plea at the

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Speaker 2: und and we never forget left he is losing it

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Speaker 2: Tonight it features Democrat Congresswoman the always elegant Jasmine Crockett,

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Speaker 2: but first to the turmoil within the Victorian Liberal Party,

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Speaker 2: who yesterday selected a first term MP to lead them

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Speaker 2: into the next election. Jess Wilson became the liberals third

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Speaker 2: leader in just twelve months after defeating Brad Batton, who,

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Speaker 2: according to a recent poll, had an election winning lead

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Speaker 2: over Labor. A Herald Sun pole shows voters are split

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Speaker 2: on this latest leadership change, with only forty five percent

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Speaker 2: of respondents saying dumping Brad Batton was the right call.

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Speaker 2: Sky News hit the streets of Melbourne earlier today to

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Speaker 2: get the public's reaction to Wilson's appointment. Have a listen.

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Speaker 2: Do you know Jess Wilson?

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Speaker 1: No? I don't. Sorry, No, she's.

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Speaker 3: Our new opposition leader in Victoria.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: Interestingly I heard that she was talking about crime and

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Speaker 2: fighting the crime problem we have at the moment in Victoria.

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Speaker 2: So that exparked my interest. And that's your biggest concern

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Speaker 2: at the moment at the moment. Yeah. Joining me now

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Speaker 2: is the Herald Sons James Campbell. James, you wrote to

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Speaker 2: column and the Herald's son explaining that this bill was

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Speaker 2: brought about after jain to Alan came down hard on

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Speaker 2: youth crime with those adult time adult crime laws. Why

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Speaker 2: did that spook the Liberals and why would they dump

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Speaker 2: a leader just as he was getting some cuts through

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Speaker 2: and had a positive poll result.

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Speaker 4: Okay, the adult time for adult crime or whatever it

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Speaker 4: is was the trigger, but the cause was about six

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Speaker 4: to eight weeks ago. What happened was he reshuffled his

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Speaker 4: front bench. A lot of people got their noses out

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Speaker 4: of joint. They didn't like where they were, They felt

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Speaker 4: they'd been disrespected, and they decided to get him. But

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Speaker 4: they'd also been along a building concern about Batton's ability. Basically,

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Speaker 4: his ability to get his hit around the work required

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Speaker 4: his fact that he'd become. Essentially, they regarded him as

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Speaker 4: a one trick pony on crime. They were worried that

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Speaker 4: Jacinta had basically pulled his pants down on that and

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Speaker 4: what was he and he had nothing to say, so

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Speaker 4: they took the advantage of his temporary weakness and got

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Speaker 4: rid of him, even though the polls were quite good

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Speaker 4: for him.

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Speaker 2: And that's been my criticism of him as well, that

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Speaker 2: you can't just focus on crime because labor can come

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Speaker 2: down and they'll bring back the death penalty if it

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Speaker 2: means second stage hour. But surely they knew his abilities

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Speaker 2: before they installed him as a leader. If they thought

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Speaker 2: he wasn't going to be fantastic on policy detail, or

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Speaker 2: he couldn't prosecute certain arguments. They would have known that

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Speaker 2: he is not a newbie.

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Speaker 1: That is a very good point.

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Speaker 4: And at the time the people who didn't want him

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Speaker 4: said that he wouldn't he wouldn't have the capacity to

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Speaker 4: grow in the job. Others said, well, maybe will, maybe

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Speaker 4: he won't. But at that time the most critical thing

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Speaker 4: on their head was getting rid of John Pursuito. They

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Speaker 4: put their faith in him as a conservative, which he

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Speaker 4: never was. Really, yeah, that's not a conservative. He's not

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Speaker 4: a particularly ideological person. Nice guy, you know, ex copper

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Speaker 4: ran a Baker's Delight, got a great cv.

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Speaker 1: For an everyman leader.

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Speaker 4: But in the end they just enough of them were

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Speaker 4: decided they just couldn't trust that he was going to improve,

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Speaker 4: and they didn't think he'd survive an election campaign.

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Speaker 2: He was relatable though, as you said, he was a

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Speaker 2: Copper Baker's Delight. I'm not sure how relatable Jess Wilson is.

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Speaker 2: How do you see her getting to know the Victorian

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Speaker 2: public or the Victorian public getting to know her. How

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Speaker 2: is she going to get that cut through and that trust.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's a very very good question, and it is

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Speaker 4: difficult to see. She's still a work in progress. She's

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Speaker 4: only been in Parliament three years. It takes a long

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Speaker 4: time to learn how to present yourself properly in public.

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Speaker 4: It takes a long time to learn how to manage

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Speaker 4: around how the government works. She's a quick study, there's

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Speaker 4: no question about that. You know, nobody would think that

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Speaker 4: it was, in other inordinary circumstances, a good idea to

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Speaker 4: make her leader.

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Speaker 2: Now well, I've written about her elevation to LEDA and

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Speaker 2: I've got to say major concerns. She seems to be

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Speaker 2: on the wrong side of major issues. She voted against

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Speaker 2: more deeming. We saw what that did to the party.

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Speaker 2: She came to prominence when she was elected and gave

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Speaker 2: a speech I think it was a maiden speech, was

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Speaker 2: all about net zero and now she's talking about that's

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Speaker 2: not such a huge concern anymore. She's all about the

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Speaker 2: cost of electricity. Well, three years ago you should have

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Speaker 2: known those two things were connected.

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Speaker 1: People can evolve.

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Speaker 2: People can evolve. But it was only two years ago

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Speaker 2: that we had a referendum and she was the lone

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Speaker 2: Victorian Liberal MP who was on the record voting yes.

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Speaker 2: Peter Kredlin asked her about that last night. This is

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Speaker 2: what she had to say.

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Speaker 5: One of my viewers watching to night, and they remember

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Speaker 5: you as someone who supported the Voice, one of the

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Speaker 5: few liberals supported the voice. Even in Victoria the Voice

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Speaker 5: was defeated. Have you changed your mind there?

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Speaker 6: Well, I've been very clear about the treaty that I

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Speaker 6: opposed the treaty and I spoke about it at length

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Speaker 6: in the Parliament.

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Speaker 2: Would you repeal it? Yes, we will repeal.

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Speaker 5: It, including anything that looks and sounds and smells like

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Speaker 5: the Voice in Victoria.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I think that what I saw when I looked at

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Speaker 6: the treaty in detail is something that was very vastly

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Speaker 6: different to the Voice.

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Speaker 2: In many ways.

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Speaker 6: The Voice was a concept, whereas we know what the

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Speaker 6: treaty actually is about, and it is vastly different in

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Speaker 6: scope and in scale. And Victorian's voted no to the

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Speaker 6: Voice and I respect that.

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Speaker 2: Now, James, a lot of people seem to be rather

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Speaker 2: satisfied with that answer. That answer only disturbs me further.

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Speaker 1: I had a feeling that would be the case.

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Speaker 2: She said the Voice was just a concept. She was

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Speaker 2: willing to change our constitution in shrine racial privilege into

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Speaker 2: the constitution based on a concept, and I would argue

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Speaker 2: it wasn't a concept if you bother to actually see

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Speaker 2: what it was. It went a lot further than that.

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Speaker 2: She's a lawyer. How can she present herself as so naive?

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Speaker 4: Look, she hasn't got a good answer for this, because

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Speaker 4: I mean the fact of the matter was that the

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Speaker 4: answer she needed in Q in twenty twenty three was years.

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Speaker 4: The answer she needs now in Victoria across the state

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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty five is no. But to give her

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Speaker 4: her credit, she did speak against the Voice in Parliament

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Speaker 4: earlier this month. She was only one of a hatful

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Speaker 4: of MPs who did. Baton didn't speak it against her

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Speaker 4: and the other MP who was most read hol On

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Speaker 4: at the Lower House incidentally was the former leader Pursuito

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Speaker 4: Interesting in the next door seat of Hawthorne.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that is surprising, But I've got to say that

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Speaker 2: it's the backflips. There's a vibe of Susan Lee about her.

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Speaker 2: Just one position and next to it, a few focus

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Speaker 2: groups come in and we've got a whole new position.

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Speaker 1: There's no pleasing you. Who would you have.

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Speaker 2: The problem there's not a great deal of depth and

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Speaker 2: talent in the Victorian Libs, is there. They've really have

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Speaker 2: mastered the art of losing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no question.

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Speaker 4: There's no question about that. They've won three elections since

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Speaker 4: nineteen seventy nine. It's pretty impressive.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty impressive. Just finally, on the Voice and Treaty,

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Speaker 2: Victorians did vote no. We've now got a state based

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Speaker 2: permanent Voice and Treaty which is broad and has all

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Speaker 2: sorts of implications. I think that can win an election

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Speaker 2: fighting on that alone. I mean, the cost of living

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Speaker 2: is obviously a huge issue, but this is something that

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Speaker 2: has enormous cuts through. But they don't seem to be

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Speaker 2: campaigning on it. And I think, do you think it

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Speaker 2: complicates their fight on this when they have a leader

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Speaker 2: who backed the referendum.

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Speaker 4: No, I don't think so, because she can simply say

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Speaker 4: I'm respecting the will of the people. I did want

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Speaker 4: the other thing, but that was a very small thing

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Speaker 4: and this is very bad and anyway, I wouldn't have

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Speaker 4: voted for it, because you've voted no.

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Speaker 1: So that's respectable. Whatever I put.

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Speaker 4: What she ever, she personally thinks she respects the public's

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Speaker 4: view whereas Jacindra Allen is basically sticking two fingers up

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Speaker 4: to what the public did in twenty twenty three, isn't she?

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Speaker 4: So I don't see that as much of a problem.

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Speaker 4: I think the way that the treaty, I think the

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Speaker 4: treaty is disliked by a larger number of people than

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Speaker 4: it's liked by. But I think it's more equivocal than that.

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Speaker 4: I think the people who really dislike it really really dislike.

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Speaker 2: It, but people don't hear about it. I think the

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Speaker 2: Liberals aren't campaigning on it. They hear about it if

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Speaker 2: I talk about it, true, talk about it with all.

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Speaker 4: Due respect to you know, those of us who are

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Speaker 4: in the media. There are a huge number of people now,

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Speaker 4: particularly younger people, who don't consume this fine product. Right,

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Speaker 4: So we constantly say, oh, the state opposition is not

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Speaker 4: getting cut through.

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Speaker 1: Problem is the state opposition.

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Speaker 4: It's very hard for a state opposition to get cut

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Speaker 4: through now, I mean, and this is one of the

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Speaker 4: reasons I think getting rid of Baton is going to

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Speaker 4: be problematic because it's taken a year for his name

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Speaker 4: recognition to hit a point at which people kind of

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Speaker 4: are likely to know who he is. Whereas and now

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Speaker 4: they've set the dial back to zero again with a

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Speaker 4: new leader.

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Speaker 2: Ah, the vick lebs. Really, what can you say if

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Speaker 2: there was an election today, Labor would romp it in,

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Speaker 2: wouldn't they. I mean, that's just a reality.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they'd romp it in, but they'd probably

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Speaker 1: be re elected.

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Speaker 2: Well, the book makers feel very comfortable.

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Speaker 1: Makers represent where the money goes.

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Speaker 2: That's true. That's true. Now, before you go just into namba,

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Speaker 2: jimper Price has taken a swipe a former Liberal senator,

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Speaker 2: Holly Hughes. Hughes has resigned from the party and has

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Speaker 2: not held back in a criticism of some of its members.

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Speaker 2: She didn't name names, but she said they were lazy

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Speaker 2: and ineppt. She claimed senator named jimber Price was being

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Speaker 2: used by her conservative colleagues and future leadership contenders. Here's

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Speaker 2: what just seem to have to say in response on

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Speaker 2: to GB this morning.

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Speaker 7: Curiously, just because we were walking down the hallway in

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Speaker 7: front of our colleagues, somehow we're being who is.

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Speaker 2: Just a ridiculous notion, It's quite I mean, she's clearly bitter.

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Speaker 2: Never a dull moment in the Liberal Party. Is so

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean when you talk at lazier, neat, I

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Speaker 1: Need to narrow it down. That's a start.

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Speaker 4: Look, I mean personally look to seem to respond to

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Speaker 1: Of Holly Hughes. Holly Hughes is Yesterday's.

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Speaker 2: Person and she is a long term, close personal friend

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Speaker 4: A don't I wouldn't get into the trenches with Holly Hughes.

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Speaker 2: Solid advice from James Campbell, Thank you fit time tonight.

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Speaker 2: Joining me now is legal affairs contributor for the Australian

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Speaker 2: newspaper Chris Merritt Chris. The Liberal Party is standing firm

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Speaker 2: on demanding answers from Labor on the weaponization of Brittany

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Speaker 2: this saga. Let's look at the PM's rather dismissive response

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Speaker 8: I'm minister, you provided yourself on running an account for government,

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Speaker 8: one with integrity. A federal court judge and a Western

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Speaker 8: Australian Supreme Court judge found claimed by Britney Higgins of

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Speaker 8: a political cover up of an alleged rape. We're not

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Speaker 8: just false but dishonest. Linda Reynolds and Fiona Brown were

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Speaker 8: lowly accused by your own ministers. Do Petting Wong and

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Speaker 8: Katie Gallagher owe both women an apology to the s

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Speaker 8: full role in conflating an alleged rad with a false

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Speaker 8: story of the political cover up that has damaged so

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Speaker 2: In pms, Well, thank you for reading that question.

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Speaker 9: A judge found the issue on Brittany Higgins are very

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Speaker 9: different from the way that you characterize it.

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Speaker 9: Well to be charitable. I think it might be a

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Speaker 9: They did rule that Miss Higgins told lies and made

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Speaker 9: a payout of two point four million. Now there are

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Speaker 9: two things running here. There's the legal process. Miss Reynolds

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Speaker 9: and one will feed into the other. Miss Reynolds has

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Speaker 9: the statements made by Miss Higgins about a cover up

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Speaker 9: like Miss Reynolds would now like an apology, but simultaneously,

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Speaker 9: Miss Reynolds would also like these proceedings to be settled

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Speaker 9: by the Commonwealth Force with without further legal expense. Now

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Speaker 9: those two things are running side by side from the

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Speaker 9: Commonwealth perspective. They need to bear in mind that Miss

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Speaker 9: it comes to litigation. She's secured payouts in four defamation

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Speaker 9: cases at last count Miss Higgins, the DPP from Shane Drumgold,

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Speaker 9: very high priced lawyers to fend her off. So the

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Speaker 9: Miss Reynolds's lawyers last night, as it happens, and it's

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Speaker 9: expected that this case, if it goes to court, will

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Speaker 9: over all. The time, So we're talking about millions of

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Speaker 9: that significant parts of the material that Miss Higgins laid

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Speaker 9: before this mediation were false. There's extra material that Miss

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Speaker 9: Reynolds has secured as a result of the defamation proceedings.

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Speaker 9: The Supreme Court of West Australia has allowed Miss Reynolds

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Speaker 9: but it raises some very interesting questions. There are two

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Speaker 9: reports by a psychiatrist. One the first report said all

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Speaker 9: of that damage was as a result of the mishandling

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Speaker 9: of these allegations by Miss Higgins by Miss Reynolds. So

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Speaker 9: that conflict needs to be resolved, and that if the

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Speaker 9: could cause some distress for the Commonwealth's defense to this case.

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Speaker 2: And it's a defense that the taxpayer is going to

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Speaker 2: much are we talking about you said, millions? Are we

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Speaker 2: talking about close to ten million, five million. Look, what

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Speaker 9: I wouldn't want to put a figure on it, but

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Speaker 9: I think millions is not a stretch. Justin Gleeson, I

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Speaker 9: think is the silk that the Commonwealth has retained. He

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Speaker 9: doesn't come cheap. But bear in mind Miss Reynolds has

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Speaker 2: Now do you agree with Linda Reynolds? She's asked for

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Speaker 2: young journalist Lily McCaffrey who asked that question. She's from

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Speaker 2: the Australian newspaper, and Linda Reynolds wrote that wrote, this

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Speaker 2: is the Prime Minister that you should apologize to the

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Speaker 2: quite a strong statement there, Chris. I didn't think the

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Speaker 9: I think that's right.

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Speaker 1: It won't go away.

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Speaker 9: As far as an apology to journalists goes, journalists and

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Speaker 9: I think miss Reynolds has an interest in prosecuting this now,

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Speaker 9: this thing actually started. Had Miss Higgins taken her complaint

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very right there. And Linda Reynolds has been vindicated,

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Speaker 2: in her eyes. Chris Merritt, thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: David Limbrick. David. Sky News has revealed this morning a

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Speaker 2: bombshell letter from US House of Representatives Committee Chairman Jim

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Speaker 2: global takedowns. He said global content takedown orders are concerning

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Speaker 10: Yeah, well, this is a wild development that's happened here

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Speaker 10: I think it's really concerning. I can understand why America

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Speaker 2: Absolutely Now, I wanted to get your reaction to matters

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Speaker 2: closer to home. The Liberal Party's decision to dump Brad

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Speaker 2: wasn't the right move. I wrote a column for ther

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Speaker 2: She voted against more a deeming, she voted to expel

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Speaker 10: I don't really understand why they got rid of Brad

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Speaker 2: Do you see the party as united? You see them

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Speaker 2: We've had three already in less than twelve months.

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Speaker 10: Well, they seem to spend more time attacking each other

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Speaker 10: They talk about the economy. They don't really talk about,

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Speaker 10: They just sort of seem to think, well, we're better

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Speaker 1: Evidence for that.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, we need to see some policy shortly, because

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Speaker 2: the cost of living crisis. Now, the Allen government has

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Speaker 2: and they've announced social workers will be employed in twenty

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Speaker 2: Victorian government schools as part of an early intervention program

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Speaker 2: aimed at reducing the state's rate of violent youth crime.

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Speaker 2: But that policy has already been criticized by the Victorian

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Speaker 2: branch of the Australian Education Union. It dismissed the move

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Speaker 2: as mere lip servers and accused the government of not

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Speaker 2: going far enough. David, do you think labor is doing

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Speaker 2: enough to stop youth crime?

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Speaker 10: Well, clearly not. There's there's a lot of problems at

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Speaker 10: the moment, both on the enforcement side and also the

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Speaker 10: prevention side. I'm skeptical that this will have the effect

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Speaker 10: that they want. I spoke recently to a police officer

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Speaker 10: who specializes in dealing with youth offenders, and he brought

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Speaker 10: up an idea that I've actually raised in Parliament that

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Speaker 10: I think would be quite effective. He thinks that police

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Speaker 10: officers should be going into schools that are around about

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Speaker 10: you know, thirteen to fourteen years old children and talking

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Speaker 10: to them about, you know, what it's like once you

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Speaker 10: get into a life of crime, because he reckons that

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Speaker 10: if you can intervene at that point, because that's sort

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Speaker 10: of when they make decisions that sort of dictate the

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Speaker 10: rest of their life. And I think in general, especially

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Speaker 10: with boys, the government needs to stop getting in the

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Speaker 10: way of boys that are doing activities that are lawful,

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Speaker 10: like you know, today, I spoke to a guy who

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Speaker 10: does these rideouts where boys get together and they ride

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Speaker 10: their bikes on the street and apparently they get hassled

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Speaker 10: by the police all the time. I mean, for goodness sake,

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Speaker 10: they're just riding bikes, like let them let boys.

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Speaker 2: Be yep, I think that's very good advice. Indeed, before

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Speaker 2: you go, you've been outspoken about the failures of the

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Speaker 2: Victorian judicial system. You've proposed a new way of appointing

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Speaker 2: judges in Victoria. Can you tell me how that would work?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, well, actually, in the middle of debating at right now,

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Speaker 10: it's looking like the major parties don't like the idea.

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Speaker 10: But what my idea is is similar to Canada, that

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Speaker 10: when judges are appointed or before they're appointed, they get

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Speaker 10: invited to appear before a parliamentary committee that can ask

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Speaker 10: the questions. And it's my view that this would provide

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Speaker 10: more public scrutiny on appointments and hopefully provide more trust

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Speaker 10: in the system. But yeah, it looks like the major

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Speaker 10: parties really don't like that idea.

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Speaker 2: Well, surprise, surprise, a bit more scrutiny and transparency and

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Speaker 2: the major parties go runing. David Limbrick, thank you for your.

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Speaker 3: Time tonight, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Still to gar mat Left is Losing It and Nicki

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Speaker 2: Minaja's powerful speech of the u N about the plant

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Speaker 2: of Christians in Nigeria. Army Horowitz is coming up next.

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Speaker 2: You're watching the Rida Panehy Show, and it's time for

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Speaker 2: lefties losing it and they're singing again or mimy in

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Speaker 2: this case, Can someone let lefty politicians know you don't

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Speaker 2: have to jump on every social media trend favored by

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Speaker 2: teenage girls. You really don't jasmine. Now to the leftist

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Speaker 2: heartland of Portland, where a bunch of activists got together,

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Speaker 2: donned neon leotards and held an aerobics class outside of

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Speaker 2: an iced detention facility as a show of resistance. Of course,

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Speaker 2: there was a furry there. I wish I never knew

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Speaker 2: what a furry was. Now let's hear from world class

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Speaker 2: hypocrite Sonny Houston, one of the co hosts of The View,

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Speaker 2: And wowie, what a difference a year makes. When Biden

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Speaker 2: was in power last year, she didn't want to know

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Speaker 2: about the Epstein list. Indeed, she warned anybody who would

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Speaker 2: listen that just being named doesn't mean you're guilty of anything.

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Speaker 2: But now that Trump is in power, she's changed. To

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Speaker 2: the June she won't still let it with.

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Speaker 7: People were dying for this information. There was some sort

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Speaker 7: of list that everybody thought was going to come out.

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Speaker 7: And who's on the list, What's important for us to

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Speaker 7: note is we shouldn't been repeating names that are on

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Speaker 7: the list, because just because your name has not on

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Speaker 7: the list but in the documents, just because your name

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Speaker 7: is on the documents doesn't mean that you have done

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Speaker 7: anything criminally irresponsible or illegal or civilly irresponsible, or that

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Speaker 7: you were clients or that you were a client only. Really,

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Speaker 7: these documents, as I read them, only reflect Epstein's sexual

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Speaker 7: assaults of women and his sexual behavior. So I think

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Speaker 7: that Elane and Galane and so being named in the

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Speaker 7: suit does not equate to being accused of wrongdoing. And

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Speaker 7: I think that is extremely important because conspiracy theorists seem

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Speaker 7: to not understand or enjoy facts. Yeah, these are the facts.

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Speaker 2: There is a list. Trump's name is on.

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Speaker 7: The logs, the passenger logs of Epstein's aircraft at least

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Speaker 7: seven times.

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Speaker 3: That's already been made public.

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Speaker 7: I mean, of course Trump is denying any any and

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Speaker 7: all allegations, but all of that information is out there.

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Speaker 7: Why not just put it to rest and say release

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Speaker 7: the looker.

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Speaker 2: She didn't even want anyone on the list named last year.

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Speaker 2: Now she's red hot to go now when she's not

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Speaker 2: being a world class if acred. Sunny Houstin is indulging

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Speaker 2: in her favorite pastime of race faiting. Her race obsessions

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Speaker 2: have well been well documented. She bleeds on endlessly about

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Speaker 2: white supremacy and racism, but weirdly, she opts to live

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Speaker 2: in an all white neighborhood. And here Sonny again claims

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Speaker 2: that America is built on racism and slavery.

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Speaker 7: This is a country based on racism and slavery and

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Speaker 7: founding it found that in it there is systemic racism

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Speaker 7: and misogyny.

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Speaker 3: And there are.

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Speaker 7: People that no one I've never met anyone that raises

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Speaker 7: their hand and says I am racist. However, there are

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Speaker 7: people that seem to be able to look the other

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Speaker 7: way when it comes to racism.

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Speaker 2: She's so tiresome and ill informed. But it wouldn't be

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Speaker 2: a Sunny Austin rant if it didn't have a segue

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Speaker 2: into some Trump derangement syndrome.

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Speaker 7: So you have a president who traffics in misogyny, who

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Speaker 7: traffics in xenophobia, who track fix in sexism, and one

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Speaker 7: and any one and one against a black woman.

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Speaker 3: So don't tell me that there's kind.

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Speaker 2: Of a wat to go a black woman.

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Speaker 7: Don't tell me this country is ready, So let's a woman.

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Speaker 7: Hillary Clinton was one of the most qualified yearbooks.

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Speaker 2: Now Here is Michigan State Superintendent Sue Cannell, who can't

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Speaker 2: seem to answer a simple question, a question so so

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Speaker 2: easy that a child could answer it with these How

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Speaker 2: many genders are there?

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Speaker 1: How many genders are there?

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Speaker 2: Different people have different beliefs on that.

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Speaker 11: Well, you can believe all you aret, but science says

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Speaker 11: there's two.

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Speaker 2: Now, I want to play you a little of Bill

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Speaker 2: Maher's chat with actor and comic Patton Oswald, who thinks

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Speaker 2: he's very informed, very compassionate, and intelligent. He thinks he's

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Speaker 2: a political animal. Turns out he's a bubble dwelling fool

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Speaker 2: who hasn't even heard of the grooming gang scandal in

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Speaker 2: the UK. Somehow he missed that huge scandal where thousands

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Speaker 2: of young girls were sexually abused while authorities turned to

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Speaker 2: blind eye because their attackers happen to be mainly members

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Speaker 2: of the Pakistani community. And gosh, we can't go around

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Speaker 2: enforcing the law and being seen as racist. Watched Patton

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Speaker 2: squirm here as Bill.

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Speaker 12: Mahers schools him, You know, grooming, the grooming scandal. No, see,

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Speaker 12: that's a big story.

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Speaker 1: This is in the UK.

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Speaker 12: Yes, that went on from like the eighties to the present,

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Speaker 12: and it wasn't.

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Speaker 1: A direct the royal family, No I'm not.

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Speaker 12: I'm talking about Pakistani men who are immigrants who were

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Speaker 12: grooming poor, impoverished white girls mostly in these things and

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Speaker 12: making them into prostitutes and sex slaves and like really nasty.

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Speaker 12: And if you don't understand that and that gender apartheid

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Speaker 12: is the number one issue that you woke people should

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Speaker 12: be concerned with, but seem not to be, then right

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Speaker 12: away we're not really seeing the world as the same way.

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Speaker 12: And I think I'm seeing it much more clearly. The

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Speaker 12: gender apartheid should be your number one issue if you

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Speaker 12: really care about oppression like a lot. I'm talking about

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Speaker 12: hundreds of millions of the world's women. And this is

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Speaker 12: why England is having a big problem these days because

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Speaker 12: in the interest of DEI, they are allowing practices that

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Speaker 12: are so illiberal, which is the great irony. This is

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Speaker 12: the least liberal thing you could be is treating women

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Speaker 12: as a second class citizen.

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Speaker 2: Seems to think it's a big joke. As far as

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Speaker 2: the grooming scandal goes, there were how many inquiries and

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Speaker 2: trials stemming from that saga, and yet Passion has never

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Speaker 2: heard of any of it. That bubbly exists in must

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Speaker 2: be reinforced with titanium. Let's bring in documentary filmmaker and

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Speaker 2: commentator Army Horowitz. Army, the ignorance there is profound, and

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Speaker 2: from someone who is very political, very outspoken on all

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Speaker 2: sorts of political and social issues, and yet he missed

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Speaker 2: the UK's grooming gang scandal.

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Speaker 3: I mean that wasn't the biggest problem.

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Speaker 11: Okay, Look, I'm sure a lot of people left have

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Speaker 11: never heard of this, right because the mainfit media really

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Speaker 11: has been hiding that issue. Shockingly, Look that dumb minime

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Speaker 11: didn't even know anything about Bill Maher's positions on these things.

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Speaker 11: That the crazy thing, like he's in the same world

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Speaker 11: as Bill Maher, had no idea what Bill Maher has

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Speaker 11: been saying for the last five to seven years. Even

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Speaker 11: more fascinating than the grooming scandal was the.

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Speaker 3: Whole thing began.

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Speaker 11: And I want to do a blow by blow because

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Speaker 11: the whole and I beg PO watched that at least

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Speaker 11: that portion it's a two hour podcast, at least watched

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Speaker 11: that like fifteen minutes of it, because it's so illuminating

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Speaker 11: and fascinating.

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Speaker 3: So he's just sitting there and.

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Speaker 11: The whole thing began when he's talking about how great

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Speaker 11: AOC is and then Bill Maher responds with, well, if

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Speaker 11: she gets deprogrammed, and you see his face and he's like, what.

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Speaker 3: Are you talking about?

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Speaker 11: And Bill Maher's like, AOC is like a crazy leftist

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Speaker 11: and he goes, no, she's not, Like he didn't. He

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Speaker 11: doesn't even register that AOC is on the farm left.

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Speaker 3: That's what's so crazy about it.

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Speaker 11: And then it goes and then it goes on. He's like,

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Speaker 11: you know they're talking about COVID. He's like, well, the

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Speaker 11: Democrat Party is the party of science and Bill.

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Speaker 3: Maher's like, uh no, they're not.

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Speaker 11: Like have you've seen the whole thing about gender and

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Speaker 11: how they refuse to acknowledge sex And he's like, I

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Speaker 11: don't know what you're talking about.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what.

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Speaker 11: He's like, well, if they do is because they're weaponizing

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Speaker 11: it against trans people to scapegoat them. And Bill Mark

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Speaker 11: his credit is like, what exactly are the trans people skap.

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Speaker 3: Getting scapgoating for it?

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Speaker 11: I don't know what you're talking about. And he couldn't

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Speaker 11: come up with anything. Obviously, the whole thing was crazy.

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Speaker 11: Please go see it. But the best part was like, hey, no,

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Speaker 11: I'm not in this leftist bubble. I read the Guardian.

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Speaker 11: I can't do not That was the response. Yeah, you

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Speaker 11: know what I read.

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Speaker 2: Problem.

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Speaker 3: Okay, thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: But that's the Californian Left for you. They're just so

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Speaker 2: insulated from the real world and mainstream opinions across America.

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Speaker 2: That's why they get so shocked when Trump happens and

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Speaker 2: he gets elected and wins quite easily. They just I

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Speaker 2: don't know anybody who would possibly support him.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: Who knew Nicki Minaj would become the voice of reason

653
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Speaker 2: and courage amongst celebrities. Today, she delivered a powerful speech

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Speaker 2: of the United Nations to highlight the persecution of Christians

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Speaker 2: in Nigeria. She started off by thanking President Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: for bringing attention to the issue.

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Speaker 13: I would like to thank President Trump for prioritizing this

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Speaker 13: issue and for his leadership on the global stage and

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Speaker 13: calling for urgent action to defend Christians in Nigeria, to

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Speaker 13: combat extremism and to bring a stop to violence against

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Speaker 13: those who simply want to exercise their natural right to

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Speaker 13: freedom of religion or belief. I stand here as a

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Speaker 13: proud New Yorker with a deep sense of gratitude that

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Speaker 13: we live in a country where we can freely and

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Speaker 13: safely worship God, regardless of one's creed, background or politics.

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Speaker 2: And Nicki Minaj spoke of the plight of Christians in Nigeria,

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Speaker 2: thousands of whom have been slaughtered by Islamists.

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Speaker 13: Faith is under attack in way too many places in Nigeria.

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Speaker 13: Christians are being targeted, driven from their homes and killed.

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Speaker 13: Churches have been burned, families have been torn apart, and

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Speaker 13: entire communities live in fear constantly simply because of how

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Speaker 13: they pray Army.

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Speaker 2: I've got to say, I'm impressed. I don't normally care

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Speaker 2: for celebrity opinions, but she's bringing attention to something that

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Speaker 2: is being actively ignored by so many. Even some of

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Speaker 2: the reporting on this, they say alleged persecution of Christians

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Speaker 2: despite all the available evidence.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, look calm and as a member of the paid

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Speaker 14: member of the barbs, what can I tell you, Nicki Mina,

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Speaker 14: you were seeing I'll take the win where where I

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Speaker 14: can get it.

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Speaker 3: Look, it's really yeah, it's interesting. You know.

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Speaker 11: Yes, like you said, the way this is being kind

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Speaker 11: of framed by the media is just so fascinating. You know,

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Speaker 11: I read article after article about this, you know, CNN

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Speaker 11: talking about this is really a nuanced and complex issue.

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Speaker 3: Really, is it really that nuanced? Right?

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Speaker 11: Like they cannot make Muslims the bad guy. They just

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Speaker 11: can't do it, no matter what the truth and the

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Speaker 11: facts tell you. Right, they cannot say that Christians are

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Speaker 11: being persecuted by Muslim people. They have to say like, well,

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Speaker 11: by the way, Muslim people are being killed too, which

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Speaker 11: is totally true, but they're being killed because they're not

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Speaker 11: being Islamic enough of these radicals in Nigeria, Right, they

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Speaker 11: leave that part out conveniently, you know, and so interesting, Like, no,

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Speaker 11: they're given the number of Christians killed, they gave the

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Speaker 11: lowest number possible, sighted, right, Like all the numbers are

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Speaker 11: between you know, thirty and sixty thousand, thirty five and

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Speaker 11: sixty thousand Christian civilians being killed, and they clearly twenty

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Speaker 11: thousand number, which is an outlier number.

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Speaker 3: It's so interesting, Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 11: Even even more fascinating is yet, when they're talking about

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Speaker 11: the number of civilians killed at Gaza right, thirty or

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Speaker 11: fifty thousand. Look, protests across the street, outrage across the globe.

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Speaker 11: But when Christians are being murder in Nigeria or is

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Speaker 11: Line people being killed for not being Islamic enough, total quiet,

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Speaker 11: then it becomes complex and nuanced. I don't see any

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Speaker 11: encampments going on, right, do you? I didn't you know.

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Speaker 11: Look the left, they don't care about black people being killed.

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Speaker 11: I guess they only care about Palestini is going to

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Speaker 11: be killed by Jews. I don't know what I tell you,

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Speaker 11: That's what I see from those numbers.

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Speaker 2: Well, I got to say Nicki Minaj was a lot

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Speaker 2: more eloquent than Carti b Remember she Spoikata Kamala rally

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Speaker 2: did not go well. Now, there was a lot of

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Speaker 2: pomp and ceremony at the White House for the state

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Speaker 2: visit of Saudi Crown Prince Muhammad bin Salomon. Let's have

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Speaker 2: a look at President Trump green the Crown Prince, and

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Speaker 2: they had fruitful discussions, with the Crown Prince announcing a

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Speaker 2: massive boost to investment in the US.

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Speaker 15: We believe in what you're doing, mister President's really creating

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Speaker 15: a lot of good things and good foundation to create

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Speaker 15: more economical growth, more business in America, and it will

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Speaker 15: also your work for the world piece, I believe, mister President.

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Speaker 15: Today and tomorrow we're going to announce that we are

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Speaker 15: going to increase that six hundred billion to almost one

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Speaker 15: trillion dollars of investment, real investment and real opportunity by

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Speaker 15: details in many areas and the agreement that we are

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Speaker 15: signing today in many areas and technology in AI Army.

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Speaker 2: Six hundred billion to a trillion in new investment. The

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Speaker 2: US Saudi relationship is just it's strengthening further.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, a trillion here, truly there Soon we're talking about

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Speaker 11: real money. Or you know, look, let me let me

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Speaker 11: start with stuff I didn't love and then we'll go

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Speaker 11: to the stuff that I love. Right, Not A big

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Speaker 11: fan of the Saudis gat F thirty five, So I

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Speaker 11: gotta tell you, I don't like Arabs having that kind

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Speaker 11: of technology, particularly with technology transfers.

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Speaker 3: Don't really look. I like the move, the move they're

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Speaker 3: going in.

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Speaker 11: Don't totally trust them at this point, certainly on you know,

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Speaker 11: a fan of the Abraham Accords, look get that in

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Speaker 11: the second and look didn't love also the whole when

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Speaker 11: they brought kashogi, which is a legitimate question to ask.

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Speaker 11: The Saudi security service literally dismembered a man, okay and

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Speaker 11: put him a suitcase ta get rid of him.

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Speaker 3: Not a huge fan of.

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Speaker 11: That and didn't like when Trump was like, well, you know, some.

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Speaker 3: People didn't like the guy.

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Speaker 11: Fine, Okay, I get it now. Having said that, finally,

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Speaker 11: look what do we have with with with four years

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Speaker 11: of Biden, we had him pushing the Saudish. This is

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Speaker 11: we are as much as I don't trust a this

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Speaker 11: is real politique at its finest. Okay, you deal with

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Speaker 11: the people who are there and him pushing the Saudis

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Speaker 11: away for years, how the Saudis pivot toward who not England,

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Speaker 11: not France. They pivoted toward the other powers in the world.

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Speaker 11: They pivot toward China, they pivoted toward Russia. That's not

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Speaker 11: good for the United States. That is not good for

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Speaker 11: peace around the world. They even started flirting with engaging

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Speaker 11: with Iran because they were afraid of being left out

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Speaker 11: in the cold with the Bio administracing pulling them and

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Speaker 11: pushing them off to the side. Okay, that's the way

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Speaker 11: we work. This is the reality of politics. Having them

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Speaker 11: join the Abraham Accords, which is clearly the direction we're

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Speaker 11: going in, is an absolute.

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Speaker 3: Game changer for the Middle East. Okay, the Abram Cord.

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Speaker 11: Was big enough as it is, and let's be honest,

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Speaker 11: the Gulf States would not have signed up without Saudi assent,

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Speaker 11: but the Saudi's actually put their name. A normalization with

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Speaker 11: the State of Israel is something massive and also puts

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Speaker 11: the Palestinians in a difficult position and would lead to

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Speaker 11: an eventual peace between the Palestinians and the Israellies. Okay,

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Speaker 11: instead of what we had during the by administration. The

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Speaker 11: Houthis continue to bomb all across the Middle East because

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Speaker 11: they're out of control because he would not support the

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Speaker 11: Saudis in his war against the Houthis.

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Speaker 3: That's the situation we find ourselves.

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Speaker 11: And so Kudoo's the President having them come to the

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Speaker 11: White House, and kudos to pushing forward with Abraham Corps.

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Speaker 2: And there was a sign that relations between Elin Musk

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Speaker 2: and President Trump have improved. Musk was at the White

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Speaker 2: House dinner for the Crown Prince. Of course they came

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Speaker 2: together after that little tiff. They had Charlie Kirk's funeral

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Speaker 2: in Phoenix and it seems like things are improving there. Armies,

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Speaker 2: stay with me. We're going to go to a quick break,

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Speaker 2: and we've got plenty more to talk about, including the

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Speaker 2: release of the Epstein files. Welcome back now. The House

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Speaker 2: of Representatives voted overwhelmingly to force the Department of Justice

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Speaker 2: to release the Epstein files. Several of Epstein's survivors were

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Speaker 2: present in the House chamber during the vote. There were

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Speaker 2: cheers when the resolution passed. Army, the Democrats pushed for

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Speaker 2: this after sitting on the report for how long. It's

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Speaker 2: just fascinating to see this turnaround where they suddenly this

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Speaker 2: is the number one issue for them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it really is interesting.

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Speaker 11: Look from a tactical perspective, I think Trump should have

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Speaker 11: done this earlier, but you kind of feels the kind.

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Speaker 3: Of pressure into it.

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Speaker 11: But at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter.

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Speaker 11: The House voted was built to release all the information,

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Speaker 11: and the Senate can go on to Trump's desk and

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Speaker 11: he will sign it. And like Trump said, He's like, look,

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Speaker 11: this is more of a problem than a me problem. R.

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Speaker 11: This is more of a democratic problem than a Republican problem.

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Speaker 11: And you know, how do we know that? Well, this

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Speaker 11: is how this is not a bigger story out of

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Speaker 11: Republican conservative media. I don't understand. But a A a

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Speaker 11: Democratic representative Right for the Virgin Islands was literally texting

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Speaker 11: with Epstein during the hearing when she was questioning Michael Cohen.

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Speaker 3: Okay, she was taking directions from Epstein.

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Speaker 11: It's unbelievable this isn't a bigger issue on CNN and MSNBC, now, Okay,

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Speaker 11: it is crazy. And her defense was, y'all don't know me.

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Speaker 11: Uh yeah, we do, we do.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 11: How do I know this is not an issue for Trump?

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Speaker 11: That Trump is not involved in this at all?

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Speaker 3: We know it? Why?

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Speaker 11: Because Biden had all this information. If Trump was in it,

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Speaker 11: you don't think he would have released it. Of course

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Speaker 11: he would have. That's why this is not a Trump issue.

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Speaker 3: Okay. I think tactically he made.

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Speaker 11: A mistake not doing this, But at the end of

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Speaker 11: the day, it's really going to be a non issue.

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Speaker 11: It's the Russia, Russia, Russia thing all over again. I

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Speaker 11: think the fascinating part is these strange bedfellows right with

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Speaker 11: the right, the hard right, and the left. And you

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Speaker 11: see Steve Bannon, who was by the way, also a

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Speaker 11: friend of Epstein not list a friend, but he was

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Speaker 11: helping Epstein. Epstein was emailing with him on what to dude.

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Speaker 11: He was advising him on how to get the pr

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Speaker 11: issues he had. Why is Steve Bannon making this issue

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Speaker 11: because he hates Donald Trump hates his policies. The whold

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Speaker 11: thing with Marjorie Taylor Green right, she's now she was

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Speaker 11: on the view. Jimmy Kimba loved her. Do you hear

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Speaker 11: Jamie Raskin said he wants to be part of the

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Speaker 11: Democratic Party. What is happening? It's all crazy, It's out

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Speaker 11: of control.

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Speaker 2: Are you so right that? The twenty nineteen was when

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Speaker 2: f Stein was texting with a Democrat during a congressional

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Speaker 2: hearing pretty much giving instructions. It looked like and we've

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Speaker 2: had the likes of the King Jeffries soliciting money from

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Speaker 2: who was a prolific Democrat donor, and not enough has

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Speaker 2: said about that. He was a Democrat and he put

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Speaker 2: his money where his beliefs were. It's going to be

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Speaker 2: fascinating what's there. But I think people do have to

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Speaker 2: be careful because there will be names that have done

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Speaker 2: nothing wrong, that have absolutely no wrongdoing. And if you

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Speaker 2: go accusing them of being sex offenders or pedophiles. You're

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Speaker 2: probably going to get some defamation lawsuits coming your way.

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Speaker 2: So I think people just need to be a little

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Speaker 2: bit rational here, a little bit measured when this list

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Speaker 2: is released. Army, Army, it's always a pleasure. Thanks so

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Speaker 2: much for your time, and that's all the time we

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Speaker 2: have tonight. I'll see you tomorrow night at eleven up.

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Speaker 2: Next it's Newsnight.