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Speaker 1: Welcome to Healthy each Thanks for joining us on this

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Speaker 1: Body and Soul podcast. Hope you are feeling healthy USh

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Speaker 1: of course, I am Felicity Hallie the host, and joining

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Speaker 1: me today is cosmetic acupuncturist and traditional Chinese medicine practitioner

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Speaker 1: from the Jong Center, Dr Abbi, to discuss the rise

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Speaker 1: of no talks. Have you heard about this well, people

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Speaker 1: are opting out of cosmetic surgery to reduce the toxic log.

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Speaker 1: She's going to talk about that today and the important

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Speaker 1: factors for optimal skin health. Make sure you're listening to

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Speaker 1: Extra Healthy Shassista podcast where doctor Abby chat's about what

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Speaker 1: your face can tell you about your health. That one's

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Speaker 1: an interesting episode. You should listen. You can grab it

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Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts Abby nice too, well listeners.

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Speaker 1: She is finally on the pod. This episode has been

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Speaker 1: a long time coming.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Thank you for having me. I'm very excited.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes listens, it takes a little for us to kind

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Speaker 1: of make things happen, and we're finally made it happen.

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Speaker 1: Abby talk to us about no tos now. I feel

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Speaker 1: like I'm seeing this pop up across social media. I've

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Speaker 1: seen a few headlines about it. I mean, primarily it's

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Speaker 1: to reduce our toxic load. Talk to us about this

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Speaker 1: and you know what you practice and how that falls

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Speaker 1: into that category.

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Speaker 2: So like in our clinic and in our circles, we

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Speaker 2: don't really call it no ts we I mean it's very.

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Speaker 1: Cast social media of course.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, I mean there's always a trend that I bury

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Speaker 2: my head in the sand against. However, it's not a

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Speaker 2: new phenomenon. It's been out since before the nineties of

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Speaker 2: just being aware of reducing as many petrochemicals and other

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Speaker 2: additives that are just sneaking into everything we are and

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Speaker 2: they're in your lipstick, they're in your makeup, they're in

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Speaker 2: your haircare, they're in your dish liquid, it's in your tupperware.

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Speaker 2: And the more that you can reduce this chemical load,

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Speaker 2: because I think we're exposed to what by the time

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Speaker 2: you brush your teeth in the morning, it's up to

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Speaker 1: Chemicals and it's horrifying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's of the theory of less's best and

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Speaker 2: if you can choose a natural alternative or something with

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Speaker 2: less of a chemical makeup. And let's be honest, soult

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Speaker 2: is still classified as a chemical. So when people are

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Speaker 2: really go down this rabbit hole of like, ohll, that's

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Speaker 2: a big scientific term. I don't understand it. That must

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Speaker 2: be a chemical. Well, lemon is technically a chemical as well,

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Speaker 2: and they're used as preserved as a lot in food.

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Speaker 2: So it's being conscious of what you're putting in your body,

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Speaker 2: what you're putting on your body, and where and how

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Speaker 2: can you reduce that so that you're not triggering in

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Speaker 2: a balance to your hormones, your nervous system, regulation, your liver,

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Speaker 2: your brain, chemistry. It does all have effect because we

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Speaker 2: absorb through our scalp our, skin, our breathing, like we're

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Speaker 2: around things all the time. So the more that you

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Speaker 2: can reduce that load, the less there is for your

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Speaker 2: body to try and process and tackle the next things.

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Speaker 2: Because when I changes the nature path, we were always

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Speaker 2: taught that what the liver doesn't understand how to break down,

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Speaker 2: it covers with brown fat and therefore it keeps it safe.

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Speaker 2: And so later on when you start to lose weight

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Speaker 2: or you're doing a radical detox or a radical clans,

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Speaker 2: it can be quite dangerous if you do it suddenly

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Speaker 2: and shockingly, because this brown fat has been encompassing and

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Speaker 2: protecting the body from something it doesn't know how to

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Speaker 2: break down or eliminate, and then that's where you get

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Speaker 2: these weird symptoms when you're going through a cleans or

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Speaker 2: a detox later on. So rather than being well, we

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Speaker 2: advocate a jong center. Rather than being extremists. We like

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Speaker 2: to reduce where you can the load and introduce an

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Speaker 2: alternative that doesn't have a huge amount chemicals. So that's

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Speaker 2: why we have aesthetic acupuncture where we can either extend

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Speaker 2: the use of your botox or you do not having

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Speaker 2: to botox so frequently, or if it's not your bag,

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Speaker 2: you have this as an alternative option. So there's always

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Speaker 2: always something there that can be used.

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Speaker 1: Actually, it was interesting. I recently downloaded one of the app,

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Speaker 1: how many products you probably don't think have toxins in

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Speaker 1: them have toxins in them. But let's talk about the

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Speaker 1: face because I feel like this is one area that well,

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Speaker 1: we've all got one and the toxing like can be

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Speaker 1: quite radical in the in yeah, what you put on

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Speaker 1: to us about you know your specialty facial acupuncture.

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Speaker 2: Yep, so I specialize in facial acupunctu or aesthetic acupuncture.

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Speaker 2: Cosmetic acupunture has many, many brands, and this is just

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Speaker 2: from the notion. For me personally, I feel like when

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Speaker 2: you wash your hair, you kind of smile at more people,

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Speaker 2: get a blow wave. You're waving and everyone and taking

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Speaker 2: a photo and a selfie because let's face it, you

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Speaker 2: feel on fleack. And I have seen that that the

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Speaker 2: outside reflects inside and inside reflects the outside. So I

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Speaker 2: love providing an option where if you're not quite ready

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Speaker 2: to do anything surgical intervention that you can you can

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Speaker 2: use this as an option, and it is chemical free.

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Speaker 2: The way that we practice aesthetic acupunture at Soong Center

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Speaker 2: is actually constitutional based. So you treat your hormones, you

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Speaker 2: treat your stress, we treat your sleep, we treat your gun,

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Speaker 2: we treat your constipation. All of that is included, so

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Speaker 2: you're not sacrificing one for the other. I really like

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Speaker 2: that it's vanity without having to sacrifice your ethics or

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Speaker 2: your health, because sometimes you know, you're like I really

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Speaker 2: want to use this particular mascara, but you know whether

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Speaker 2: any baby seals harmed in the making of it. But

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Speaker 2: you know, my alas just touched my ears and I

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Speaker 2: love it. So I like that there's no having to

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Speaker 2: compromise there and then because I see such great results.

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Speaker 2: I also added on I created a natural skin care

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Speaker 2: line with using Chinese meds and botanicals in it as

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Speaker 2: well as actives, so that way, I still want something

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Speaker 2: that works. I still want active peptides. I still want

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Speaker 2: vitamin C, which again is constitutionized as a chemical. However,

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Speaker 2: it is a natural chemical, so I want something that's

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Speaker 2: going to not increase my chemical load and disruptive to

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Speaker 2: my hormones. However, I am still very very much aesthetic orientated.

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Speaker 2: I want to feel and look my best, and I

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Speaker 2: want to see that these things work. Like I don't

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Speaker 2: necessarily want to wipe thirty years off my face in

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Speaker 2: two days, but I would like to look like I've

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Speaker 1: I think we all want that time.

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Speaker 2: I would like my pimples gone when they come up

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Speaker 2: if I've had a sugar bench, because we all have

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Speaker 2: those days. So yeah, So the way that aesthetic expertsures

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Speaker 2: be treating the skin quality as well as the metabolism

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Speaker 2: of your internal lip. Lots of people say that their

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Speaker 2: botox wears down because they're doing lots of running and

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Speaker 2: exercise to keep doing that. So this is a way

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Speaker 2: holding on to that colligen So you can spread out

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Speaker 2: your frequency of needing botox without sacrificing what you're feeling.

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Speaker 2: The esthetic benefits are and again like if you're going

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Speaker 2: through IVF, or you're trying to conceive, or you're pregnant

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Speaker 2: or your breastfeeding, you're not really allowed these options anymore.

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Speaker 2: So we're providing an alternative again. And I'd like to

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Speaker 2: say that it's the soy milk of botox. It's not

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Speaker 2: actual botox because it's not going to make you look

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Speaker 2: like a dolphin flat forehead, but it will make it

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Speaker 2: look smoother, it will make it look tighter, and there's

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Speaker 2: a glow that elicits from having had acupuncture.

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Speaker 1: I think there's two points you know that I take

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Speaker 1: away from you. Is one that you know the health

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Speaker 1: of your skin and how it looks is so much

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Speaker 1: more than just what you put on your face. It's

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Speaker 1: some of all the holstick parts. And secondly, talk to

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Speaker 1: us a bit about what actually happens, like sticking needles

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Speaker 2: Well, who would have thought lying down and getting stabbed

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Speaker 2: could be relaxing? Yeah, yeah, And like we still put

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Speaker 2: them in the body, so true. Aesthetic acupuncture will still

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Speaker 2: still are going to be treating period pain, constipation, metabolism, stress,

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Speaker 2: same time. And because they're more than three thousand points

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Speaker 2: you think about when you get hay fever treated, or

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Speaker 2: migraines or morning sickness, a lot of those points can

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Speaker 2: still be in the face, So we use different needles

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Speaker 2: because a lot of the calming and anxiety or like

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Speaker 2: tightening muscles, they're encouraging muscle memory tactics. And then of

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Speaker 2: course from a physiological level, you're creating a little bit

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Speaker 2: treatment isn't going to do everything. If it did, I

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Speaker 2: would charge a bazillion more dollars pecision I would be amazing.

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Speaker 2: You have to build on the momentum. It's like going

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Speaker 2: to the gym once doesn't make your skinny. You have

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Speaker 2: the and I mean skin takes one hundred days to

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Speaker 2: come maybe once a month, once every six weeks and

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Speaker 2: do your ownha. And that's where like, I've got a

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Speaker 2: and I am insanely jealous of their skin. I was like,

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Speaker 2: you look better than when you do the loading, and

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Speaker 2: I die a little inside with the jealousy of that.

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Speaker 2: I think, you know, I should be very proud.

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Speaker 1: You absolutely should be. Every thank you for coming.

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Speaker 2: Unhealthy pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Well, friends, you can jump on the Nottos bagwagon or

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Speaker 1: you can stay on the botox one. It's really up

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Speaker 1: to you. But I hope you did enjoy this chat

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