WEBVTT - #2020 It's Not Really About Tech Is It? - Patrick Bonello

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<v Speaker 1>I get a team. It's a new project.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Stiffy and Cook, Patrick, James Bonello, craig Ethny Harper.

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<v Speaker 1>Once a week we get together and we do this.

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<v Speaker 1>We're still not sure why.

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<v Speaker 2>We seem to be a ruddless conversational ship, but nonetheless,

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<v Speaker 2>we just gather and we do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, Patrick, We'll start with you.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to come out punching, but you actually

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<v Speaker 3>had two errors in the previous statement.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's fine, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>Well we don't meet weekly. It's fortnightly, which I love,

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<v Speaker 3>and I look forward the highlight of my foot.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, noted, thank you for the correction.

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<v Speaker 4>And you stumbled on the name and how long will

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<v Speaker 4>we know that to each other?

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<v Speaker 3>What is your name?

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<v Speaker 2>I was I actually had a momentary lapse about your

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<v Speaker 2>middle name, and that was because I was completely inappropriately

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<v Speaker 2>and unprofessionally looking at something on my phone. I would

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<v Speaker 2>yell at you two for doing that. So I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to yell at my I'm going to yell at myself.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just I know there's no exs.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm bad. Look I accept both bits of feedback.

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<v Speaker 2>You are correct, I am wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>There we go. That's how you do it. Everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>If somebody points out a mistake that you made or

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<v Speaker 2>a fault, just go fuck. Thanks for that, Patrick noted

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<v Speaker 2>taken on board, you can't won't do it again.

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<v Speaker 1>You're welcome.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like we're in the moment now and I

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<v Speaker 3>feel a lot better and more recognized.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel seen, especially when you swear at me. TIF

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<v Speaker 1>How are you? How are your all?

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<v Speaker 5>I'm fabulous, some fabulous things apps.

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<v Speaker 2>I just had a coffee with Scottie Douglas, who is

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<v Speaker 2>a big fan of you and also a big fan

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<v Speaker 2>of Patrick. You wouldn't know who he is made he's

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<v Speaker 2>been on the show a couple of times, loves you,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's like, I never used to listen to the

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<v Speaker 2>Patrick episodes because I didn't listen to any, he said,

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<v Speaker 2>because I don't really give a fuck about tech, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And then he listened to one and he loved it,

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<v Speaker 2>and he goes, oh god, now I've got to go

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<v Speaker 2>back through them all because I love Patrick.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>Also, scott eat on your best friend. Thank you. You've

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<v Speaker 3>just made my day. After Craig abuses me at the

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<v Speaker 3>start of the show, right, well, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>That if I abuse you, especially if I call you

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<v Speaker 2>the sea word that you're in.

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<v Speaker 1>My top five, because I don't do that for anyone.

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<v Speaker 1>You're welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know what is funny is this show has

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<v Speaker 2>got almost I mean it's loosely about tech, but people

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<v Speaker 2>don't listen to it for that. I think the majority

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<v Speaker 2>of people don't listen to it for that reason. So

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<v Speaker 2>let's not get too distracted with technology, shall we?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Good idea, mate, that's great.

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<v Speaker 2>Before we do talk to Patrick in any detail. Tiffany

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<v Speaker 2>and Cook, what is new with you? What is going on?

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<v Speaker 2>You've got your big speaking event coming up in the

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<v Speaker 2>Sunshine State. You've been prepping like a fucking champion. You've

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<v Speaker 2>got a bit of nerves, You've got a bit of anxiety.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you picked out your frock? What are you wearing?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you're wearing a good sensible frock as Mary

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<v Speaker 2>would say it in a track.

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<v Speaker 5>And I'm sure is shit not wearing a frock I've got?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you wearing overalls with like a spanner in your

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<v Speaker 2>pocket and a bit of grease on your chin?

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<v Speaker 3>Is a spatter in your pocket?

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<v Speaker 4>Tip?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just happy to do my presentation.

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<v Speaker 5>There, we know frock there? I love it. Because all

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<v Speaker 5>the girls are getting here and makeup. I'm not fuck that, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>not at all, But I'm excited with Yeah, plenty of

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<v Speaker 5>nerves plenty because it is out of my comfort zone

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<v Speaker 5>the way that the whole things do it. But it's

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<v Speaker 5>coming together. I've pulled my head in, I've taken a

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<v Speaker 5>bit of my own medicine and leaned into the discomfort

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<v Speaker 5>and doing it someone else's way. And I'm just having

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<v Speaker 5>a crack.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you take Blake's advice when you say you're not

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<v Speaker 3>wearing a frock that you're going to do it naked?

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<v Speaker 3>You know how most people get up on stage and

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<v Speaker 3>they imagine the crowd's naked doing the reverse.

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<v Speaker 5>Definitely don't do that.

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<v Speaker 3>Just checking. I thought maybe distraction might be a good

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<v Speaker 3>strategy for sure. Not. I want to know what you're

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<v Speaker 3>gonna wear it? What are you gonna wear it? Because

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<v Speaker 3>you look pretty amazing and it doesn't matter what you wear,

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<v Speaker 3>you look great. But what do you think you wear?

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<v Speaker 5>Probably probably that ten dollars sparkly top I wore once before,

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<v Speaker 5>and my Freddy jeans.

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<v Speaker 3>So remember when we were led together. You're gonna wear

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<v Speaker 3>the same outfit or you.

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<v Speaker 5>Got well that was what they call it an orange

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<v Speaker 5>jail jumpsuit that wasn't mine, So no, I won't be

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<v Speaker 5>wearing that.

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<v Speaker 4>But so jeans and a sparkly top. Can you send

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<v Speaker 4>me a photo later?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, well pretty much sounds like you, Patrick.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I mean you could you two could just

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<v Speaker 2>bloody into change wardrobes.

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<v Speaker 1>Can we just clear up?

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<v Speaker 2>So, like you've got to go do You've been doing

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<v Speaker 2>part of this speaker's program and some of the some

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<v Speaker 2>of the people who did the course correct me if

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<v Speaker 2>I fuck any of this up, but got picked to

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<v Speaker 2>speak at an event and you're one of those people. Congratulations.

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<v Speaker 2>But the challenge for you is that you, who like me,

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<v Speaker 2>is very freestyle, which kind of means lazy and unplanned.

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<v Speaker 2>You've had to you've had to script it and you've

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<v Speaker 2>had to It's it's like, really in a way, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a performance, Like I mean, it's still you and there's

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<v Speaker 2>still your words. But am I right in that, it's

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<v Speaker 2>like it's got to be very scripted and very pre planned?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, very yeah, So it's very tightly planned.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, how is that for you?

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<v Speaker 1>Because that ain't you.

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<v Speaker 5>I know, it's been it's been a hell of it.

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<v Speaker 5>I've been very loud about it. I've been not the

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<v Speaker 5>best student, I can tell you that much.

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<v Speaker 2>But have you been quite oppositional?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, plenty of that. And in the final hour,

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<v Speaker 5>I thought, well, what is all this stuff you teach?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh that's right, shout the fuck up and do it.

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<v Speaker 3>Then?

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<v Speaker 5>So is there?

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<v Speaker 3>What is there?

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm not saying it's good or bad, It's I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not being critical. I'm being curious, like, what is the

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<v Speaker 2>what is her? Like your teacher person, we won't mention

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<v Speaker 2>what it is or who it is, but shout out

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<v Speaker 2>to her. Tip does say good things behind your back?

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<v Speaker 2>What like what's her philosophy? Then that it should be

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<v Speaker 2>as well choreographed, prepared and scripted as possible so you

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<v Speaker 2>can't fuck it up or no.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, and when they say scripted, the end result is

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<v Speaker 5>you're not going word for word script You just know

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<v Speaker 5>your content so tightly that you know where you're going

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<v Speaker 5>and you know the important perhaps to script.

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<v Speaker 3>I do.

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<v Speaker 5>I am open to believing that the potential of it

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<v Speaker 5>being a much better way to put it together might unfold.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know if following this procedure exactly the way

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<v Speaker 5>I have is the best way for me, But I

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<v Speaker 5>think it'll iron out, and yeah, I think maybe the

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<v Speaker 5>end result is that it will be more powerful because

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<v Speaker 5>I will I will know exactly what I want to

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<v Speaker 5>be taken away and I won't leave anything out, and

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<v Speaker 5>it'll be a bit more Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the good thing about public speaking, professional whatever

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<v Speaker 2>is that there is no single way to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I remember doing a gig with Stephen Bradbury, I

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<v Speaker 2>think three times, you know, the accidental gold medalists. Not

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<v Speaker 2>that he didn't deserve it, He fucking deserved it, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think every time it was pretty much verbatim word

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<v Speaker 2>for word, and it had you know, like video bits

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<v Speaker 2>in it and had like stories and every and it

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<v Speaker 2>was very formulaic, but every time it crushed right, every

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<v Speaker 2>time it did great. And so here's me, mister non

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<v Speaker 2>formula mister freestyle Lucy Goosey. And part of me was thinking,

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<v Speaker 2>why the fuck isn't that boring?

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<v Speaker 1>Just and then but.

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<v Speaker 2>Part of me is like, hey, shut up, dickhead. He's

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<v Speaker 2>getting paid shitloads and he's crushing three times in a row,

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<v Speaker 2>so this is actually working for him very well. That

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<v Speaker 2>probably wouldn't work for me. But then what I do

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't work for him. So I think this is the

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<v Speaker 2>beauty of you know, like whether or not it's podcasting,

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<v Speaker 2>or whether or not it's you know, like building any

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<v Speaker 2>other kind of business or doing any other kind of

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<v Speaker 2>performedive thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a set way, but maybe what will happen is

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<v Speaker 2>you'll do this kind of this model, and then you

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<v Speaker 2>might end up in your own space moving forward, somewhere

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<v Speaker 2>between your loosey goosey style and this way more prepared style.

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<v Speaker 2>You might find a fit in the middle.

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<v Speaker 5>And I also love that all the work that goes

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<v Speaker 5>into this has given me something. Let's call it a

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<v Speaker 5>signature keynote, so I can have that if people want it,

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<v Speaker 5>or I can or I can have whatever version I

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<v Speaker 5>throw together to suit others events.

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<v Speaker 3>Cool.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you would have been a very good or

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<v Speaker 2>you would be if you wanted to be. You'd be

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<v Speaker 2>a very good presenter because you've got a great voice

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<v Speaker 2>and you're a great communicator. Have you ever thought about

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<v Speaker 2>doing stuff like that and what would you talk about?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's a really interesting one. I think I would

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<v Speaker 3>love to do that because I actually loved talking and

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<v Speaker 3>communicating and that's been my whole career, and I think

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<v Speaker 3>it's something that I've just always thrived on and I

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<v Speaker 3>have thought about it a little bit, you know, I've

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<v Speaker 3>kind of moved in different spaces. I did a few

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<v Speaker 3>lectures when I was a journalist at Federation University, talking to,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, young journalists or people studying to be journalists

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<v Speaker 3>about what it was actually like to work in a

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<v Speaker 3>breakfast newsroom and a lot of fun. It was just

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<v Speaker 3>a thing that I did once a year to the

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<v Speaker 3>journalism students. I don't know, it's a tough call. I

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<v Speaker 3>think there's lots of things that I can talk about.

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<v Speaker 3>It's funny I went to and this kind of has

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<v Speaker 3>a close connection. But I thought of that two of

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<v Speaker 3>you when I went to my very first improv night

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<v Speaker 3>and the local council here through our neighborhood center, ran

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<v Speaker 3>a four week course with a professional guy who's moved

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<v Speaker 3>to the land who does improv. And I knew a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of people who were doing the course, and so

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<v Speaker 3>it was fun to go along and see them do

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<v Speaker 3>this improv and I'd never experienced it before, and I thought, improv,

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<v Speaker 3>that'd be so easy.

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<v Speaker 4>We do that every fortnight? How hard?

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<v Speaker 3>But they got the audience to throw out a reference

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<v Speaker 3>word and they had to improv around that. And listening

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<v Speaker 3>to what Tiff was saying, I reckon I would struggle

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<v Speaker 3>to follow a script. You know, A good thing about

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<v Speaker 3>what you've done is kind of pushing you out of

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<v Speaker 3>your comfort zone, and then it probably is going to

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<v Speaker 3>help with structuring things a little bit more like running

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<v Speaker 3>to a not so much a script, but a structure.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that's where you're probably going to take

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit of this and a little bit of that,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's going to make you an overall better speaker.

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<v Speaker 3>But I would love to talk to people about I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't often talk about this very very much, and

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<v Speaker 3>I've had a challenging childhood. It's it's something that you

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<v Speaker 3>know in some areas it was kind of challenging. I

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<v Speaker 3>had a bit of childhood trauma and bullying when I

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<v Speaker 3>was a kid, and I've often thought if that could

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<v Speaker 3>help someone to know about adversity and coming from adversity.

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<v Speaker 3>In fact, Tiff and I were talking about partnering up

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<v Speaker 3>and maybe doing something together and running a workshop to

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<v Speaker 3>talk about resilience and that sort of thing, and I

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<v Speaker 3>think that's kind of fueled my love of tai chi

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<v Speaker 3>and breaking away from those things that can really hinder

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<v Speaker 3>us in our daily lives. So I think that would

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<v Speaker 3>be the topic that I'd like to most focus on,

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<v Speaker 3>something that I feel would really bring value to people's lives.

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<v Speaker 3>For me, that's a big thing.

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<v Speaker 2>You should maybe put some thought and work into that

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<v Speaker 2>and see what comes out the other side. I think

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<v Speaker 2>you would be it'd be good at that, and people

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<v Speaker 2>like you and yeah, you're authentic, and it's I think

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<v Speaker 2>that might resonate.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about tech.

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<v Speaker 4>Shall we just give a shot at Scotty when you mate?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, it doesn't seem like this is the time to

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<v Speaker 2>do that, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, go on.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, wasn't that your friend that you had breakfast

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<v Speaker 3>with this morning? Was that Scotty?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? I had no idea. Yeah, sure you can, yeah it.

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<v Speaker 4>I just thought it'd be nice to say hi. Listening

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<v Speaker 4>to me.

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<v Speaker 1>On the Patrick's not desperate at all. Will send you

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<v Speaker 1>his will send you his number later. Patrick.

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<v Speaker 2>It appears to me I heard this last night on

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<v Speaker 2>the news and it's on the top of your to

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<v Speaker 2>chat about list. Open ai is allowing mature content now,

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<v Speaker 2>am I interpreting that? As pawn non chat GPT for

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<v Speaker 2>adult verified users starting in December.

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<v Speaker 1>What does that actually mean?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Sam Altman, the bloke who you know, the big AI, Meger, giant,

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<v Speaker 3>enormous company, what he's saying is it means that you

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<v Speaker 3>could potentially interact with your AI chatbot in a more

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<v Speaker 3>adult like way and not be hindered by that conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>So I don't think it's about producing porn. I think

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<v Speaker 3>it's having.

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<v Speaker 1>Dirty, dirty conversations with AI.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, maybe, I don't know. He hasn't really specified. Basically,

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<v Speaker 3>what he's saying is they want to roll out, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, make that age restriction thing and treat adults

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<v Speaker 3>like adult users. And if adult users want to have

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<v Speaker 3>a more saucy conversation with AI, should we stand in

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<v Speaker 3>the way of that? Don't laugh, It's just.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, yeah, there's so many hilarious things that are fucking

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<v Speaker 2>bolting through my mind at the moment. What's the first thing,

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<v Speaker 2>even even for me somewhat inappropriate, what's the first Well,

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<v Speaker 2>let's see what happens with that.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you use it? Patrick?

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<v Speaker 3>No? Probably not, Tiff.

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<v Speaker 2>Nah, All right, Well we'll see what happens with that. Patrick,

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<v Speaker 2>Stay tuned. Everybody. Patrick might be getting a new boyfriend.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds like his name is open. What you asked

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<v Speaker 2>us if we I know?

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<v Speaker 3>Would you no? I just want to dark question, I think, And.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not just saying that I know that would give

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<v Speaker 2>me the opposite of the effect that some people would

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<v Speaker 2>want know what I'm saying like that would No, My

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<v Speaker 2>brain and my body does not work like that at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Google Search are introducing AI mode in Australia. What does

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<v Speaker 2>that even mean Google Search?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it means that you can do more complicated searches

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<v Speaker 3>with a much broader text string, and you can do

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<v Speaker 3>it via input with text, images or voice. So I

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<v Speaker 3>might say, Tiffing, and I want to do a chocolate

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<v Speaker 3>tour of Melbourne in the CBD that takes three hours,

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<v Speaker 3>and we want to do it on a Saturday, starting

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<v Speaker 3>at five o'clock. So what we do is it?

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<v Speaker 1>You've thought about that prompt, haven't you. You've definitely thought

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<v Speaker 1>about that.

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<v Speaker 5>To bed earlier. Patrick. If that's a real thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure I'm into it. So you can do more complicated,

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<v Speaker 3>complicated text strings of information and it will be able

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<v Speaker 3>to do that, so it will not just answer one question.

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<v Speaker 3>Then you're going to do another query, then answer another

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<v Speaker 3>question to another query. So it will make the conversation

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<v Speaker 3>a lot more human like in terms of the way

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<v Speaker 3>that we communicate, and it will make those searches a

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<v Speaker 3>lot better. You know, you might say, I want to

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<v Speaker 3>go on holiday. I'm thinking of flying to Queensland. What's

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<v Speaker 3>the best time of the year to do that. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't want the weather to be hotter than thirty degrees

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<v Speaker 3>And those sorts of con stations will allow the integrated

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<v Speaker 3>AI to do a more comprehensive search, drawing on lots

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<v Speaker 3>and lots of different resources, rather than just going to

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<v Speaker 3>one resource website. It would then be able to look

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<v Speaker 3>at a whole lot of things before it responded.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's I mean, kind of just another AI, really.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, it is, but it's an ALI in a

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<v Speaker 3>specific sense because it's drawing on real time information. So

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<v Speaker 3>the large language models we think about a resourced So

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<v Speaker 3>if you're getting a picture of an elephant being drawn

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<v Speaker 3>for you that's wearing a top hat and riding a unicycle, well,

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<v Speaker 3>then it's going to reference stuff that it's learnt previously,

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<v Speaker 3>whereas this is using real time information because it might

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<v Speaker 3>need flight data, it might be looking at current weather,

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<v Speaker 3>that sort of stuff, so it is more real time

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<v Speaker 3>than what the conventional AI models are although check GPT

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<v Speaker 3>and hours incorporating real time information, so it is a

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<v Speaker 3>lot better.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the next one doesn't seem like a good idea.

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<v Speaker 2>Creators, Are you using AI to prank loved ones with

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<v Speaker 2>fake homeless intruders?

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<v Speaker 3>I saw this and it was so disturbing to see it.

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<v Speaker 3>There's so many stupid searches and stupid things was being

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<v Speaker 3>used for. And what it was was this girl or

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<v Speaker 3>young woman pranked her father by taking photos in her house.

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<v Speaker 3>So initially she has this bearded homeless guy standing at

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<v Speaker 3>the front door and she takes a photo.

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<v Speaker 1>So she takes a.

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<v Speaker 3>Photo and the AI superimposes this what appears to be

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<v Speaker 3>a homeless man standing at the front door. She texts

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<v Speaker 3>her father and says, oh, one of your friends just

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<v Speaker 3>rocked up of led him in. And then she shows

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<v Speaker 3>a picture of her kitchen and there's the same bloke

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<v Speaker 3>having a coffee, then blokes sitting on the couch, and

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<v Speaker 3>so she's making up this whole scenario and sending it

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<v Speaker 3>to her father, and of course he's freaking out. He's saying,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know who this is, you know, what does

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<v Speaker 3>you want? Why did you let him inside the house?

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<v Speaker 3>And of course this I mean, the problem with a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of this stuff is that it has it been

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<v Speaker 3>sensationalized and is it all set up or is it

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<v Speaker 3>actually a real thing. I mean, the technology certainly is there.

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<v Speaker 3>You can superimpose someone into a shot now and in

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<v Speaker 3>fact I didn't put it into our articles, but I

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<v Speaker 3>find it really disturbing where you can now in real

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<v Speaker 3>time use AI. I think Google's rolling it out on

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<v Speaker 3>some of the pixel phones and Android phones, where you

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<v Speaker 3>can change the vision or the scene that you're looking

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<v Speaker 3>at and incorporate things that are not even there into

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<v Speaker 3>the photo you're about to take. That freaks me out

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<v Speaker 3>as well, someone who loves capturing the moment in real time.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, if I'm walking or hiking and I see

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<v Speaker 3>a spider web that's got dew on it and the

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<v Speaker 3>sunlight's hitting it in the right way, I'll take a

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<v Speaker 3>photo or a beautiful sunrise or sunset and those moments

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<v Speaker 3>are fleeting. You know, the cloud and the sky that

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<v Speaker 3>you look at now you'll never see again in that shape,

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<v Speaker 3>in that design. You know, those moments are beautifully capture

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<v Speaker 3>if you hip at the right time, but suddenly if

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<v Speaker 3>you're using AI, and in this case, it's a really

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<v Speaker 3>terrible way to prank someone. So it's just a really

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<v Speaker 3>weird TikTok trend at the moment, and it does my

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<v Speaker 3>head in sometimes I overthink it. What's your thoughts cray going.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, I just think that we need to be

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<v Speaker 2>careful like with all of this that people are. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's so much now that even comes across my social

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<v Speaker 2>media feed where it's the AI is so good as

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<v Speaker 2>in it it looks so.

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<v Speaker 1>Real that.

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<v Speaker 2>You spend half your life going, oh, is that actually

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<v Speaker 2>a dog doing this? Or is this somebody who created

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<v Speaker 2>an AI that looks like a dog doing that or

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<v Speaker 2>whatever the thing is, And I think that's I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how that's going to unfold moving forward.

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<v Speaker 1>But also, you know, I mean, what that girl was.

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<v Speaker 2>Doing with her dad and the in inverted commas homeless

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<v Speaker 2>guy just to me seems like a silly idea to

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<v Speaker 2>start with. But when you think of more kind of

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<v Speaker 2>you know, subversive kind of unethical applications of this, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>people are like moving forward just trying to figure out

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<v Speaker 2>who do I trust and what do I trust online?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I think that's one of the biggest issues. Now

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<v Speaker 2>you don't know what is real, you don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>is bullshit, you don't know what's fake, and it's like

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<v Speaker 2>a real and it's it's difficult, I think. Also, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm sixty as fuck, I don't know. Maybe the

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<v Speaker 2>twelve year olds do, maybe Tiff does, maybe you do,

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<v Speaker 2>but like a huge percentage of people that aren't particularly

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<v Speaker 2>tech savvy, you know, then at the far end of

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<v Speaker 2>the spectrum, my mum and dad who get phone calls

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<v Speaker 2>from people who want them to do this and touch

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<v Speaker 2>you know whatever. Yeah, So it's it's a slippery slope

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<v Speaker 2>and I hope it gets easier, not harder.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the big concerns, and this is happening right now,

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<v Speaker 3>is using AI where state operators. So we're talking about

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<v Speaker 3>you know, government backed hackers and people using AI to

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<v Speaker 3>try to influence elections. We've seen it happen in the

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<v Speaker 3>United States, We've seen it happen overseas, and even misrepresentations

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<v Speaker 3>of what's going on in Ukraine. And you know the

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<v Speaker 3>problem is it's getting so accurate. As you pointed out,

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<v Speaker 3>it's hard to tell what's real and what isn't real.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's where it's almost like, gosh, I wish there

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<v Speaker 3>was some sort of AI filter to disallow that. I

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<v Speaker 3>think we've descended into a rabbit hole that's exceptionally frightening

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<v Speaker 3>if it's getting used in that way. It's one thing

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<v Speaker 3>to prank your dad and with a homeless bloke sitting

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<v Speaker 3>on your couch, it's another thing entirely to try to

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<v Speaker 3>swing public opinion or cause hate because of something that's

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<v Speaker 3>being politically manipulated to try to you know, misrepresent the

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<v Speaker 3>opposition or misrepresent the sitting government. Those sorts of insurgencies

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<v Speaker 3>can be exceptionally frightening, and you know, it's really worrying

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<v Speaker 3>because it's these tools are now so freely available. That's

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<v Speaker 3>the other thing, you know, Sam Altman's talking about. Great

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<v Speaker 3>Now you can talk sex stuff with your AI chatbot

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<v Speaker 3>and that's going to work for some people but not

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<v Speaker 3>for everybody. But where does that take us? With these

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<v Speaker 3>tools getting better and better and better, You know, the

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<v Speaker 3>genie is well and truly out of the bottle.

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<v Speaker 2>And you think about you think, like part of me

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<v Speaker 2>is like part of me is like okay, so somebody

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<v Speaker 2>who's living on their own, who doesn't have a partner,

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<v Speaker 2>who doesn't have intimacy, who doesn't feel that emotional connection,

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<v Speaker 2>who doesn't feel loved or seen or valued, and then

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<v Speaker 2>they have this resource where maybe they can get some

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<v Speaker 2>of that or feel like they get some of that.

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<v Speaker 2>So I have compassion and empathy there. So from that perspective,

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<v Speaker 2>the mind guy, I get it. The emotion guy, I

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<v Speaker 2>get it, or the human behavior, I get that, And

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<v Speaker 2>I think maybe that even serves a positive purpose for some.

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<v Speaker 2>But then on the other side, like Devil's advocate, I go, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So now you know, people are building potentially these more

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<v Speaker 2>and more intimate relationships with this thing that's not real.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not a human, it doesn't actually have any emotions,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't actually care about you. It's a program. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a program that's pushing your buttons to make you feel

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<v Speaker 2>a certain way. And then what happens if somehow or

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<v Speaker 2>for some reason that technology disappears. You know, now we've

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<v Speaker 2>got people addicted to technologies and addicted to these technological

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<v Speaker 2>biological interface relationships.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you like that term? Patrick?

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<v Speaker 2>And I just see probably more problems and solutions. But

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just an old trying to fucking figure it out

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<v Speaker 2>in real time.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, if we went back in time six hundred years

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<v Speaker 3>and I took you to Sparta, right, and I of.

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<v Speaker 2>Course you picked Sparta. Yeah, the fucking I know why

0:24:04.800 --> 0:24:06.960
<v Speaker 2>you picked Sparta. Just a whole lot of men in

0:24:07.000 --> 0:24:09.280
<v Speaker 2>not many clothes. Yeah, but go on, we could have

0:24:09.320 --> 0:24:10.879
<v Speaker 2>picked any other time in history.

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<v Speaker 3>No, No, I have a specific reason.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it was six hundred. I think it

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<v Speaker 2>was like two thousand whatever. You know, don't it wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>the fifteen hundreds.

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<v Speaker 3>Bro Thatt's come on, a good story, all right, come on,

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<v Speaker 3>let's hear it.

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<v Speaker 4>I think of the movie six hundred. That's where that

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<v Speaker 4>got into my head. Three hundred whatever, It was just

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<v Speaker 4>twice as many things.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you mean whatever, If you're going to say

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<v Speaker 2>something fucking makes sense.

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<v Speaker 3>I watched it twice, so that made it six hundred, didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry anyway, you.

0:24:39.160 --> 0:24:41.520
<v Speaker 2>Know it's not just us two listening. You know, you've

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<v Speaker 2>got to try and make sense to the audience.

0:24:43.840 --> 0:24:49.639
<v Speaker 3>Scotty Scotty Wait, Mindy Scotty jumped off five minutes ago. Wellard,

0:24:49.760 --> 0:24:53.159
<v Speaker 3>I know he's worried that I haunted him in social

0:24:53.200 --> 0:24:56.520
<v Speaker 3>media now, so no, no, what I'm getting at is right.

0:24:56.560 --> 0:24:59.400
<v Speaker 3>We take you back in time to Sparta, right, and

0:24:59.720 --> 0:25:01.480
<v Speaker 3>like he did at the start of the show, you

0:25:01.560 --> 0:25:04.399
<v Speaker 3>rip off his shirt and show you ripped abs. And

0:25:05.119 --> 0:25:08.240
<v Speaker 3>he did so he did. He lifted his shirt and

0:25:08.320 --> 0:25:10.680
<v Speaker 3>showed off his apps, which were very impressive a month so.

0:25:12.720 --> 0:25:15.080
<v Speaker 1>But I did not rip off my shirt.

0:25:15.359 --> 0:25:17.320
<v Speaker 3>Well it wasn't quite ripping off his shirt, but did

0:25:17.359 --> 0:25:18.400
<v Speaker 3>you expose yourself?

0:25:18.440 --> 0:25:19.600
<v Speaker 4>Come on, didn't you?

0:25:19.720 --> 0:25:21.320
<v Speaker 1>Fucking Now this is getting worse.

0:25:22.280 --> 0:25:23.840
<v Speaker 5>I'm staying out of it.

0:25:24.600 --> 0:25:28.440
<v Speaker 3>Thanks Tip, anyway, can I please finish? My god?

0:25:30.280 --> 0:25:31.280
<v Speaker 1>Could you get interesting?

0:25:31.359 --> 0:25:33.240
<v Speaker 2>Because I'm nodding off with everyone else.

0:25:34.000 --> 0:25:36.080
<v Speaker 3>It's a good idea everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry about today. We'll do better next time.

0:25:38.480 --> 0:25:41.679
<v Speaker 2>Patrick's not back in a week as previously advertised, but

0:25:41.720 --> 0:25:43.320
<v Speaker 2>it'll be back in two weeks.

0:25:43.119 --> 0:25:46.600
<v Speaker 3>Thank god. Everyone is so anyway, which is what this

0:25:46.960 --> 0:25:48.960
<v Speaker 3>whole concept that sounded good in my head when I

0:25:48.960 --> 0:25:51.360
<v Speaker 3>first started. Now ten minutes later it's not as good,

0:25:51.359 --> 0:25:52.679
<v Speaker 3>but I'm going to say it anyway.

0:25:53.000 --> 0:25:57.080
<v Speaker 4>Well, yeah, come on, we take you back to Sparta.

0:25:57.480 --> 0:26:01.760
<v Speaker 3>You rip off your top and then mister Spartan bloke

0:26:01.920 --> 0:26:04.000
<v Speaker 3>rips off his top or probably hasn't got a top

0:26:04.000 --> 0:26:06.640
<v Speaker 3>on the start with. And he looks at you and

0:26:06.680 --> 0:26:09.439
<v Speaker 3>he says, how many people have you killed to be

0:26:09.680 --> 0:26:12.480
<v Speaker 3>that physical man that you are? And you say, man,

0:26:12.520 --> 0:26:15.840
<v Speaker 3>I use a smith machine and dumbbells. That's not authentic

0:26:15.920 --> 0:26:18.879
<v Speaker 3>at all. It's like, well, who's the real man here,

0:26:19.119 --> 0:26:20.320
<v Speaker 3>who's the real warrior?

0:26:20.600 --> 0:26:22.680
<v Speaker 4>And I'm saying, so, I know it's a.

0:26:22.600 --> 0:26:23.399
<v Speaker 3>Really bad at allergy.

0:26:23.720 --> 0:26:26.159
<v Speaker 2>Hell, this is the worst analogy of all time. Do

0:26:26.200 --> 0:26:29.600
<v Speaker 2>you want to rethink this? Because everybody's just gone to

0:26:29.600 --> 0:26:34.359
<v Speaker 2>get a cup of tea and fucking wow, what is

0:26:34.760 --> 0:26:38.720
<v Speaker 2>Can I just say you no elephants stamp today like nothing.

0:26:40.480 --> 0:26:44.119
<v Speaker 3>The poor woman who I recently read an article about,

0:26:44.119 --> 0:26:49.040
<v Speaker 3>who had very severe face disfigurement, had formed a relationship

0:26:49.040 --> 0:26:51.920
<v Speaker 3>with an AI chatbot and to her it was real,

0:26:52.520 --> 0:26:55.360
<v Speaker 3>So unlike the spartan man who had been out there

0:26:55.359 --> 0:26:57.720
<v Speaker 3>and met the real person Craig who's been in a

0:26:57.800 --> 0:27:00.639
<v Speaker 3>gym and using fake equipment to get that body.

0:27:01.480 --> 0:27:03.480
<v Speaker 4>So what I'm saying is it's all the matter.

0:27:03.560 --> 0:27:05.399
<v Speaker 2>You're saying the only way to get in shape is

0:27:05.480 --> 0:27:10.080
<v Speaker 2>kill people, and that's better than a smith machine and dumbbells. Okay, wow,

0:27:10.200 --> 0:27:14.159
<v Speaker 2>shout out to the sociopaths and psychopaths. Patrick's starting a

0:27:14.200 --> 0:27:17.320
<v Speaker 2>new program, how to Kill for lean mass.

0:27:17.760 --> 0:27:19.439
<v Speaker 3>I think you're bringing into it that a little bit

0:27:19.440 --> 0:27:21.960
<v Speaker 3>too deeply now. But what I'm saying is using an

0:27:21.960 --> 0:27:25.000
<v Speaker 3>AI and forming an AO relationship for some people may

0:27:25.040 --> 0:27:27.639
<v Speaker 3>be a real comfort that they make. Because when you

0:27:27.640 --> 0:27:29.959
<v Speaker 3>first started that story about the poor lonely person who

0:27:30.040 --> 0:27:32.320
<v Speaker 3>lives alone, I'm thinking, what the fuck you're talking about?

0:27:32.320 --> 0:27:36.680
<v Speaker 3>All of us? We all live alone, for crying out loud, exactly.

0:27:37.160 --> 0:27:39.240
<v Speaker 2>But I also said it could be good, it could

0:27:39.280 --> 0:27:39.920
<v Speaker 2>be a positive.

0:27:39.960 --> 0:27:40.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying that.

0:27:41.119 --> 0:27:45.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying that there can be an upside, especially for

0:27:45.040 --> 0:27:47.760
<v Speaker 2>people who really feel disconnected and so on. But the

0:27:47.800 --> 0:27:51.760
<v Speaker 2>author I'm also saying, but it ain't all necessarily good.

0:27:51.920 --> 0:27:53.320
<v Speaker 1>I think you've got to look at.

0:27:53.800 --> 0:27:56.080
<v Speaker 2>I mean, rather than taking a side, I think you

0:27:56.160 --> 0:27:59.040
<v Speaker 2>want to try and look objectively about pros and cons

0:27:59.040 --> 0:28:02.359
<v Speaker 2>for everything. Otherwise you're just sitting on one side of

0:28:02.359 --> 0:28:04.240
<v Speaker 2>the fence and you're not open. Do I think it

0:28:04.280 --> 0:28:04.840
<v Speaker 2>could be good?

0:28:04.960 --> 0:28:07.480
<v Speaker 1>Yes? Do I think it could be problematic? Yes?

0:28:07.560 --> 0:28:11.280
<v Speaker 2>I think it depends on context, person, and situation. But

0:28:12.240 --> 0:28:14.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, there are so many variables around and I'm

0:28:14.640 --> 0:28:17.320
<v Speaker 2>not trying to be too serious, but it's like, are

0:28:17.359 --> 0:28:21.320
<v Speaker 2>drugs bad? Well, it depends what drugs, what you're taking,

0:28:21.359 --> 0:28:23.600
<v Speaker 2>how much, how often. But for a lot of people,

0:28:23.680 --> 0:28:26.760
<v Speaker 2>drugs will save their life. It's not black and white

0:28:26.800 --> 0:28:30.320
<v Speaker 2>with these things. It depends on the application and the situation.

0:28:31.200 --> 0:28:34.040
<v Speaker 2>And so for a lot of people, technology is just

0:28:34.080 --> 0:28:36.400
<v Speaker 2>a tool they use to make money and do good shit.

0:28:36.480 --> 0:28:39.480
<v Speaker 2>For other people it's an addiction that's fucking up their

0:28:39.520 --> 0:28:41.800
<v Speaker 2>life and they can't leave their bedroom because they're.

0:28:41.600 --> 0:28:43.960
<v Speaker 1>Playing games eight in hours a day.

0:28:44.120 --> 0:28:46.880
<v Speaker 2>So I just think it's not that arbitrary.

0:28:47.640 --> 0:28:50.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, now I agree, but I think that there's a

0:28:50.840 --> 0:28:54.080
<v Speaker 3>lot of hope there for people to be able to

0:28:54.160 --> 0:28:58.120
<v Speaker 3>try to use technology to fill avoid they might have

0:28:58.200 --> 0:29:00.680
<v Speaker 3>in their lives and if that can done in a

0:29:00.680 --> 0:29:04.880
<v Speaker 3>supportive way. But I think the problem is oversight, like anything.

0:29:04.960 --> 0:29:07.720
<v Speaker 3>You know, we were talking about Google using its more

0:29:07.720 --> 0:29:12.160
<v Speaker 3>advanced chat feature. You know, in your doing Google searching now,

0:29:12.200 --> 0:29:15.640
<v Speaker 3>a lot of use websites are reeling at the moment

0:29:15.760 --> 0:29:18.440
<v Speaker 3>because when you do a search in Google now you

0:29:18.480 --> 0:29:22.280
<v Speaker 3>get an AI overview of the information. So for example,

0:29:22.320 --> 0:29:26.440
<v Speaker 3>if I said find out about the typ podcast rather

0:29:26.520 --> 0:29:29.840
<v Speaker 3>than sending you to the TYP website. It would give

0:29:29.880 --> 0:29:33.240
<v Speaker 3>you a bit of an overview. So TYP podcast hosted

0:29:33.240 --> 0:29:37.120
<v Speaker 3>by Craig Harper, you know, supported by tif Cook and

0:29:37.240 --> 0:29:40.440
<v Speaker 3>occasional guest Patrick Barnello. Done okay, so gives you an overview.

0:29:40.440 --> 0:29:41.920
<v Speaker 3>It's like I don't need to know anything else. That's

0:29:41.960 --> 0:29:46.840
<v Speaker 3>the TYP podcast. Now, news sites have lost as much

0:29:46.880 --> 0:29:50.680
<v Speaker 3>as sixty percent of their traffic since this has been introduced.

0:29:51.040 --> 0:29:55.160
<v Speaker 3>The problem being is that Google is taking the information

0:29:55.400 --> 0:29:59.520
<v Speaker 3>from those sites without their permission, but not sending the

0:29:59.560 --> 0:30:03.000
<v Speaker 3>traffic to the sites. They're basically saying, this is the story,

0:30:03.040 --> 0:30:04.640
<v Speaker 3>this is the information. I'm going to give you it

0:30:04.720 --> 0:30:07.760
<v Speaker 3>in a very summarized form, and then people are not

0:30:07.920 --> 0:30:10.960
<v Speaker 3>needing to go to the sites. So these news websites

0:30:10.960 --> 0:30:12.880
<v Speaker 3>are saying, well, you're using our sites to serve up

0:30:12.920 --> 0:30:15.400
<v Speaker 3>that information. But because they haven't got the traffic, then

0:30:15.440 --> 0:30:17.840
<v Speaker 3>their ad revenue is going to drop because people aren't

0:30:17.880 --> 0:30:20.760
<v Speaker 3>going there. And if they've lost sixty percent of their traffic,

0:30:20.800 --> 0:30:23.960
<v Speaker 3>they've also lost sixty percent of their revenue as well.

0:30:24.160 --> 0:30:26.720
<v Speaker 3>And that's where this there's disconnect in terms of what's

0:30:26.760 --> 0:30:28.400
<v Speaker 3>being searched and what's being delivered.

0:30:28.440 --> 0:30:32.280
<v Speaker 2>So if that website's public domain though, right, and anyone

0:30:32.320 --> 0:30:34.520
<v Speaker 2>can go on there and look at it, and then

0:30:34.560 --> 0:30:36.760
<v Speaker 2>Google goes and looks at it and then tells you

0:30:36.800 --> 0:30:39.480
<v Speaker 2>what's on there. So yeah, I understand what you're saying,

0:30:39.520 --> 0:30:43.360
<v Speaker 2>but I mean, this is just that the rate of

0:30:43.360 --> 0:30:48.240
<v Speaker 2>evolution and development and change in their space is somebody

0:30:48.280 --> 0:30:50.719
<v Speaker 2>is going to be disadvantaged somewhere, and somebody is going

0:30:50.800 --> 0:30:53.440
<v Speaker 2>to be advantaged, you know, like there's going to be

0:30:54.360 --> 0:30:55.800
<v Speaker 2>pros and cons for everyone.

0:30:56.080 --> 0:30:56.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:30:56.440 --> 0:30:59.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't know where that starts and stops. And how

0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:02.000
<v Speaker 2>how the fuck do we regulate.

0:31:01.520 --> 0:31:02.200
<v Speaker 3>This stuff, mate?

0:31:02.280 --> 0:31:06.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's like because it's such a slippery slope. Anyway,

0:31:06.840 --> 0:31:11.120
<v Speaker 2>tell me about Tesla owners that want to sue Tesla,

0:31:11.360 --> 0:31:14.880
<v Speaker 2>Like there's a joint class action over.

0:31:14.800 --> 0:31:16.600
<v Speaker 1>Full self driving? What is that about?

0:31:16.960 --> 0:31:22.600
<v Speaker 3>Yep? So, Tesla has this FSD package that people who

0:31:22.640 --> 0:31:25.720
<v Speaker 3>have bought recent test the model cars, and it's basically

0:31:25.840 --> 0:31:29.120
<v Speaker 3>FSD is full self driving. And we talked about it

0:31:29.160 --> 0:31:31.959
<v Speaker 3>a little bit in the last podcast about how you

0:31:32.000 --> 0:31:34.680
<v Speaker 3>can use this feature. And but you still need to

0:31:34.680 --> 0:31:36.360
<v Speaker 3>be sitting at the car, You still need to be

0:31:36.400 --> 0:31:38.040
<v Speaker 3>sitting in the front seat, you still need to be

0:31:38.400 --> 0:31:40.920
<v Speaker 3>hands ready to grab the steering wheel so that if

0:31:40.960 --> 0:31:43.920
<v Speaker 3>anything was to happen, and it does make mistakes, but

0:31:44.320 --> 0:31:46.840
<v Speaker 3>the problem is that a lot of people were sold

0:31:46.880 --> 0:31:49.520
<v Speaker 3>on this idea and we're going back a few years

0:31:49.520 --> 0:31:52.920
<v Speaker 3>ago when these new model cars were coming out where

0:31:52.920 --> 0:31:56.000
<v Speaker 3>they were promised the ability to have full self driving

0:31:56.040 --> 0:31:59.800
<v Speaker 3>and it hasn't been realized. So the issue is that

0:31:59.840 --> 0:32:02.240
<v Speaker 3>there's a lot of pressure where people are saying, well,

0:32:02.240 --> 0:32:05.840
<v Speaker 3>we paid for this advanced driver assistant feature, you know,

0:32:05.880 --> 0:32:09.600
<v Speaker 3>this autopilot, the full self driving, and it hasn't come through,

0:32:09.880 --> 0:32:13.160
<v Speaker 3>particularly in Australia. So in Australia there's this class action

0:32:13.240 --> 0:32:15.320
<v Speaker 3>where people are saying, well, we've paid for something we

0:32:15.360 --> 0:32:18.040
<v Speaker 3>didn't get, and that's the problem. You know, if you

0:32:18.080 --> 0:32:20.880
<v Speaker 3>were old on this idea with a feature that you

0:32:20.920 --> 0:32:24.800
<v Speaker 3>were promised that just hasn't been that and Elon Musk

0:32:24.880 --> 0:32:26.760
<v Speaker 3>was kind of saying, well, we can roll it back

0:32:26.840 --> 0:32:30.560
<v Speaker 3>using software, but now they've admitted that there are some cars,

0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:32.840
<v Speaker 3>some of the early Tesla models just don't have that

0:32:32.880 --> 0:32:36.000
<v Speaker 3>capability at all. So if you've paid for something you

0:32:36.040 --> 0:32:37.800
<v Speaker 3>think you've you know you've got to get and you

0:32:37.840 --> 0:32:40.800
<v Speaker 3>haven't got it, well, I think there's really good grounds

0:32:40.840 --> 0:32:43.560
<v Speaker 3>to be able to say, well, I'm sorry, I want

0:32:43.560 --> 0:32:46.880
<v Speaker 3>a refunder a partial refund, or you know, I get

0:32:46.960 --> 0:32:49.239
<v Speaker 3>that the people are pretty peeved off about it.

0:32:49.920 --> 0:32:53.400
<v Speaker 2>I reckon it's a little bit redundant the idea in

0:32:53.440 --> 0:32:57.920
<v Speaker 2>Australia in that like even if if the three of

0:32:58.000 --> 0:33:00.520
<v Speaker 2>us had full self driving cars, cars which have the

0:33:00.560 --> 0:33:04.520
<v Speaker 2>capacity where you can essentially theoretically sit in the passenger

0:33:04.560 --> 0:33:06.360
<v Speaker 2>seat program in the car and it gets you where

0:33:06.360 --> 0:33:09.320
<v Speaker 2>you want to go. Because I can't see the Australian

0:33:09.360 --> 0:33:12.600
<v Speaker 2>government giving this a green light anytime in the next decade,

0:33:12.680 --> 0:33:13.000
<v Speaker 2>can you.

0:33:14.680 --> 0:33:17.160
<v Speaker 3>I think maybe in the next decade, but at least

0:33:17.160 --> 0:33:20.560
<v Speaker 3>a decade. It's getting close. I mean it's getting really,

0:33:20.600 --> 0:33:23.440
<v Speaker 3>really really close. There's some really great technology and when

0:33:23.440 --> 0:33:25.520
<v Speaker 3>you think of it, I mean people tend to highlight

0:33:25.680 --> 0:33:27.080
<v Speaker 3>the accidents and the little.

0:33:26.840 --> 0:33:29.200
<v Speaker 4>Things that go wrong, but if you think of it

0:33:29.240 --> 0:33:30.320
<v Speaker 4>in terms.

0:33:29.960 --> 0:33:33.280
<v Speaker 3>Of a whole lot of self driving cars on the road,

0:33:33.600 --> 0:33:35.760
<v Speaker 3>their reaction time is always going to be a lot

0:33:35.760 --> 0:33:37.480
<v Speaker 3>better than human reaction time.

0:33:37.800 --> 0:33:39.720
<v Speaker 1>On one hundred percent.

0:33:39.840 --> 0:33:42.560
<v Speaker 2>It's not often we agree, but you say you had

0:33:42.600 --> 0:33:46.959
<v Speaker 2>a thousand self driving cars and a thousand Craig driving

0:33:47.080 --> 0:33:50.479
<v Speaker 2>cars over an extended period of time, right, And I'm

0:33:50.520 --> 0:33:52.880
<v Speaker 2>a pretty good driver. I think I've never actually had

0:33:52.920 --> 0:33:56.560
<v Speaker 2>an accident. But like a bunch of humans in control

0:33:56.760 --> 0:34:01.600
<v Speaker 2>or AI in control, I think statistically there's way less accidents.

0:34:01.640 --> 0:34:04.400
<v Speaker 2>That doesn't mean there can't be accidents, but I think

0:34:04.440 --> 0:34:08.160
<v Speaker 2>statistically and find the humans have more error than the computers.

0:34:08.440 --> 0:34:11.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and also because we're subject to getting tired. You know,

0:34:12.239 --> 0:34:15.440
<v Speaker 3>I don't like to drive late at night purely because

0:34:15.440 --> 0:34:18.520
<v Speaker 3>my circadian rhythm is that I'm an early morning person

0:34:18.680 --> 0:34:21.360
<v Speaker 3>and I get tired at night. So I know that

0:34:21.520 --> 0:34:24.040
<v Speaker 3>I am a less effective driver at night than I

0:34:24.040 --> 0:34:26.520
<v Speaker 3>would be at five point thirty in the morning, when

0:34:26.560 --> 0:34:29.440
<v Speaker 3>I feel like I'm my most invigorated and wide awake.

0:34:29.960 --> 0:34:33.480
<v Speaker 3>And that's impact people. You know, emotional issues. If you've

0:34:33.520 --> 0:34:36.400
<v Speaker 3>just had an argument with someone and you're feeling angry,

0:34:36.440 --> 0:34:38.680
<v Speaker 3>well that's going to be reflected in what you're doing

0:34:38.719 --> 0:34:41.080
<v Speaker 3>behind the wheel. How much agro do you see on

0:34:41.120 --> 0:34:43.799
<v Speaker 3>the roads? I mean that's another thing as well. You know,

0:34:43.880 --> 0:34:46.200
<v Speaker 3>at this stage, I haven't seen a self driving car

0:34:46.880 --> 0:34:48.360
<v Speaker 3>experienced road rage.

0:34:48.960 --> 0:34:51.720
<v Speaker 2>Well, if you ever see tear for and road raging,

0:34:51.880 --> 0:34:52.920
<v Speaker 2>just give her a cookie.

0:34:53.000 --> 0:34:53.759
<v Speaker 1>It'll all be good.

0:34:53.760 --> 0:34:57.719
<v Speaker 2>In about thirty seconds, Patrick tell us about how drones

0:34:57.760 --> 0:35:00.880
<v Speaker 2>are being used to combat retail hail theft.

0:35:01.440 --> 0:35:04.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, isn't this interesting? So surveillance drones and this is

0:35:04.760 --> 0:35:07.800
<v Speaker 3>a big problem. So it hasn't been rolled out quite yet,

0:35:08.239 --> 0:35:12.880
<v Speaker 3>but the idea is that a lot of retailers are

0:35:12.880 --> 0:35:16.719
<v Speaker 3>struggling with an ever increasing amount of theft. And I

0:35:16.800 --> 0:35:19.719
<v Speaker 3>read a really interesting article a few days ago that

0:35:19.960 --> 0:35:24.239
<v Speaker 3>theft actually is generational, and some younger people feel it's

0:35:24.280 --> 0:35:28.239
<v Speaker 3>okay to steal. That they they don't have any sort

0:35:28.239 --> 0:35:31.520
<v Speaker 3>of guilt because they feel that a retailer that has

0:35:31.600 --> 0:35:35.359
<v Speaker 3>lots of money, if you flog something, it doesn't really matter.

0:35:35.480 --> 0:35:41.160
<v Speaker 3>And whereas Baby Boom does fucking terrible parenting. Seriously, if

0:35:41.200 --> 0:35:43.879
<v Speaker 3>you think stealing's cool, your parents are shit.

0:35:44.400 --> 0:35:46.680
<v Speaker 2>Well that's that's what came out a lot of young

0:35:46.800 --> 0:35:48.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I shouldn't so I'll probably get in trouble.

0:35:48.760 --> 0:35:52.520
<v Speaker 2>But I'm like, oh my god, what child thinks stealing's fine?

0:35:52.680 --> 0:35:54.759
<v Speaker 2>Feels generational? There's a look.

0:35:54.800 --> 0:35:59.120
<v Speaker 3>I can't quite it say. I don't know that's what

0:35:59.160 --> 0:36:01.239
<v Speaker 3>the article said. I'm not saying yay or a but

0:36:01.520 --> 0:36:04.880
<v Speaker 3>in this instance, right, So what do you think of it.

0:36:04.920 --> 0:36:08.279
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I guess if you are able to have

0:36:08.440 --> 0:36:11.799
<v Speaker 3>these drones that could follow a car or follow a

0:36:11.800 --> 0:36:16.279
<v Speaker 3>person once they stole from a retailer and track them down,

0:36:16.360 --> 0:36:20.000
<v Speaker 3>notify police and say, yeah, we're tracking this person because

0:36:20.080 --> 0:36:22.719
<v Speaker 3>they're suspected of theft. Because of course it's suspected of

0:36:22.800 --> 0:36:26.359
<v Speaker 3>theft until proven. I don't know, what do you reckon about, Tiff,

0:36:26.400 --> 0:36:28.040
<v Speaker 3>What are you reckon aut a drone? You walk out

0:36:28.040 --> 0:36:30.320
<v Speaker 3>of a department store, You just walked out of Meyer

0:36:30.600 --> 0:36:32.759
<v Speaker 3>and suddenly there's a buzzing above you because you look

0:36:32.800 --> 0:36:35.160
<v Speaker 3>a bit sus probably fair.

0:36:35.000 --> 0:36:39.120
<v Speaker 5>Col Yeah, cool, you're on surveillance when you're in there.

0:36:40.120 --> 0:36:41.960
<v Speaker 5>If you've done something wrong, so be it.

0:36:42.560 --> 0:36:44.600
<v Speaker 1>Are you going to have You have a stolen anything? Patrick?

0:36:45.239 --> 0:36:47.480
<v Speaker 3>Have I ever stolen it? No? I haven't stolen anything,

0:36:47.520 --> 0:36:51.640
<v Speaker 3>but I did I did knowingly someone I knew that

0:36:51.719 --> 0:36:54.319
<v Speaker 3>an item was placed at a lower price than what

0:36:54.360 --> 0:36:56.719
<v Speaker 3>it was. So there was a toy truck and I

0:36:56.800 --> 0:36:59.719
<v Speaker 3>might have been twelve or thirteen, and all of our

0:37:00.120 --> 0:37:04.920
<v Speaker 3>forty six, all the other trucks were I will say

0:37:04.920 --> 0:37:07.319
<v Speaker 3>it was five bucks, but this one had like two

0:37:07.360 --> 0:37:09.839
<v Speaker 3>dollars on it or something, and I knowingly took it

0:37:09.840 --> 0:37:12.000
<v Speaker 3>to the register and bought it knowing that the price

0:37:12.120 --> 0:37:16.000
<v Speaker 3>was wrong. Is that stealing? And I didn't change the ticket.

0:37:16.080 --> 0:37:17.800
<v Speaker 3>It wasn't me. I didn't take the sticker off and

0:37:17.840 --> 0:37:19.040
<v Speaker 3>put a cheap sticker on it.

0:37:19.040 --> 0:37:23.359
<v Speaker 2>It's technically not, I guess, but it's but that's like, well,

0:37:23.480 --> 0:37:26.839
<v Speaker 2>can I tell you I almost stole you still?

0:37:29.040 --> 0:37:29.360
<v Speaker 3>Oh?

0:37:29.440 --> 0:37:29.640
<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

0:37:29.800 --> 0:37:30.000
<v Speaker 1>No.

0:37:30.719 --> 0:37:32.799
<v Speaker 2>I used to have a friend who used to pinch

0:37:32.800 --> 0:37:34.640
<v Speaker 2>stuff when I was a kid, and I'm like, I

0:37:34.680 --> 0:37:38.319
<v Speaker 2>didn't get it, and he's like, just take We went,

0:37:38.440 --> 0:37:40.359
<v Speaker 2>I don't know where we were, and I was going

0:37:40.440 --> 0:37:43.840
<v Speaker 2>to steal a packet of juicy fruit, right this is

0:37:43.880 --> 0:37:47.920
<v Speaker 2>my big debut into fucking theft and crime. And he's like,

0:37:48.040 --> 0:37:50.560
<v Speaker 2>just put it in your pocket, like da data, And

0:37:50.600 --> 0:37:53.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I really didn't want to, but I wanted

0:37:53.280 --> 0:37:55.080
<v Speaker 2>him to like me because I thought he was cool.

0:37:55.120 --> 0:37:56.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what the fuck. So anyway, I get

0:37:56.920 --> 0:37:59.120
<v Speaker 2>this packet of juicy fruit. I put it in my pocket.

0:37:59.160 --> 0:38:03.399
<v Speaker 2>This is my big into the world of criminality. And

0:38:04.280 --> 0:38:06.960
<v Speaker 2>I get like two meters from the and I can't.

0:38:07.040 --> 0:38:09.080
<v Speaker 2>I just walk back and I'm like, nah, I can't,

0:38:09.120 --> 0:38:11.440
<v Speaker 2>and I just put it back on the thing, and

0:38:11.480 --> 0:38:15.520
<v Speaker 2>I felt fucking terrible for like two days, even at

0:38:15.520 --> 0:38:17.680
<v Speaker 2>the thought that I was going to steal something and

0:38:17.719 --> 0:38:20.200
<v Speaker 2>I put it in my pocket. Even though I took

0:38:20.280 --> 0:38:25.040
<v Speaker 2>I was like ten, right, so or eleven. Mary Harper

0:38:25.160 --> 0:38:28.399
<v Speaker 2>will have a fucking she'll be praying for me all

0:38:28.480 --> 0:38:29.520
<v Speaker 2>day today.

0:38:29.360 --> 0:38:33.120
<v Speaker 1>If she hears this. But yeah, so that was my Yeah,

0:38:33.120 --> 0:38:33.839
<v Speaker 1>I can't do it.

0:38:34.040 --> 0:38:36.799
<v Speaker 4>I just gilt, make Catholic guilt that upbringing. That's what

0:38:36.880 --> 0:38:37.160
<v Speaker 4>did it.

0:38:37.239 --> 0:38:37.680
<v Speaker 3>I reckon.

0:38:37.760 --> 0:38:40.120
<v Speaker 1>Well, maybe it's just an internal moral compass.

0:38:40.480 --> 0:38:42.920
<v Speaker 3>Maybe can I just say that Tiff had a spatter

0:38:43.000 --> 0:38:44.720
<v Speaker 3>in her pocket and you had juicy fruit.

0:38:47.160 --> 0:38:50.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what that's the Can you tell us

0:38:50.040 --> 0:38:56.120
<v Speaker 2>about why the two year ago school phone bands are

0:38:56.200 --> 0:38:58.920
<v Speaker 2>either working or not working? So two years ago phones

0:38:58.960 --> 0:39:01.120
<v Speaker 2>were banned in school in Australia.

0:39:01.239 --> 0:39:03.440
<v Speaker 1>Did that happen? Is it working or not?

0:39:04.080 --> 0:39:08.120
<v Speaker 3>It started off in Victoria, which was great and according

0:39:08.160 --> 0:39:12.520
<v Speaker 3>to principles and teachers, I mean a lot of politicians

0:39:12.520 --> 0:39:15.399
<v Speaker 3>and parents believe this was the way to go. And

0:39:15.480 --> 0:39:20.120
<v Speaker 3>now after two years there's some real clear statistics that

0:39:20.160 --> 0:39:23.000
<v Speaker 3>have come out and they're saying teachers are saying since

0:39:23.040 --> 0:39:27.600
<v Speaker 3>the band they've seen stronger, lesson starts, fewer interruptions, are

0:39:27.640 --> 0:39:31.520
<v Speaker 3>better flow in teaching. And the other thing is device

0:39:31.600 --> 0:39:34.520
<v Speaker 3>driven conflict. Evidently there was I don't know whether it

0:39:34.560 --> 0:39:36.919
<v Speaker 3>was myophon's better than your pixel phone. I'm not sure

0:39:36.920 --> 0:39:40.560
<v Speaker 3>about that device driven conflict. That maybe just social media taunting,

0:39:40.600 --> 0:39:45.120
<v Speaker 3>who knows, but that's fallen as well across recesses and lunches,

0:39:45.200 --> 0:39:48.400
<v Speaker 3>and children are engaging more. So what it means is

0:39:48.440 --> 0:39:51.239
<v Speaker 3>that because they're not sitting in the schoolyard looking at

0:39:51.239 --> 0:39:54.560
<v Speaker 3>a phone, than enforced to actually interact with other students.

0:39:54.840 --> 0:39:58.200
<v Speaker 3>So resoundingly, and this was the survey of a thousand

0:39:58.239 --> 0:40:01.240
<v Speaker 3>public school principles. This is in the New South Wales

0:40:01.280 --> 0:40:05.319
<v Speaker 3>Department of Education. They basically said that ninety five percent

0:40:05.360 --> 0:40:09.640
<v Speaker 3>of principles still supported the ban, and that eighty one

0:40:09.680 --> 0:40:13.520
<v Speaker 3>percent said the band had improved student learning and eighty

0:40:13.600 --> 0:40:17.880
<v Speaker 3>six said had improved socialization among students. So I reckon,

0:40:17.880 --> 0:40:21.160
<v Speaker 3>that's a big tick of approval, and you almost wonder

0:40:21.360 --> 0:40:24.120
<v Speaker 3>whether that should happen in the workplace. You know, I

0:40:24.160 --> 0:40:27.839
<v Speaker 3>had a new staff member begin with me yesterday and

0:40:28.280 --> 0:40:30.640
<v Speaker 3>I know she was trying really hard on her first day,

0:40:30.719 --> 0:40:33.520
<v Speaker 3>but her phone was pinging a few times, and you

0:40:33.719 --> 0:40:39.120
<v Speaker 3>just saw that sudden attention totally disappear. And then even

0:40:39.160 --> 0:40:41.120
<v Speaker 3>though she wasn't reaching for her phone, it was the

0:40:41.239 --> 0:40:44.200
<v Speaker 3>ding on the phone. And that's the I guess the

0:40:44.960 --> 0:40:47.719
<v Speaker 3>You know, there are notifications for a reason because it's

0:40:47.920 --> 0:40:50.240
<v Speaker 3>drawing your attention to the fact that there's something popping

0:40:50.320 --> 0:40:51.160
<v Speaker 3>up on your phone.

0:40:51.320 --> 0:40:53.160
<v Speaker 4>But it is so distracting, isn't it.

0:40:53.360 --> 0:40:56.440
<v Speaker 3>When the phone is on silent all the time, it

0:40:56.480 --> 0:40:58.759
<v Speaker 3>never pings, never makes a sound. And in fact, when

0:40:58.760 --> 0:41:00.400
<v Speaker 3>I go to a meeting, there's a really cool feature

0:41:00.400 --> 0:41:01.960
<v Speaker 3>on a phone where if you put a face down,

0:41:02.239 --> 0:41:04.440
<v Speaker 3>it goes into do not disturb mode. So it's a

0:41:04.480 --> 0:41:06.840
<v Speaker 3>really great way when you're sitting down with someone. I

0:41:06.880 --> 0:41:09.040
<v Speaker 3>find it's an etiquette thing for me. I place my

0:41:09.080 --> 0:41:11.000
<v Speaker 3>phone face down and it says to the other person,

0:41:11.760 --> 0:41:14.239
<v Speaker 3>you've got my attention, my phone is not going to

0:41:14.239 --> 0:41:16.239
<v Speaker 3>disturb us. And I like doing that when I go

0:41:16.280 --> 0:41:18.839
<v Speaker 3>into a meeting or catching up with someone.

0:41:20.600 --> 0:41:22.399
<v Speaker 1>I've got a little bit of news for you. This

0:41:22.480 --> 0:41:24.200
<v Speaker 1>is kind of pseudo news.

0:41:24.239 --> 0:41:28.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't have all the data, but interestingly, well, I

0:41:28.560 --> 0:41:30.680
<v Speaker 2>mean this is in my space, in your space. So

0:41:30.800 --> 0:41:34.239
<v Speaker 2>one of the things that's been of or been an

0:41:34.239 --> 0:41:36.600
<v Speaker 2>issue over the last year or two, and especially more

0:41:36.680 --> 0:41:40.600
<v Speaker 2>right now than ever, is the use of AI at universities,

0:41:40.800 --> 0:41:46.560
<v Speaker 2>right because students are using AI to cheat essentially, I

0:41:46.600 --> 0:41:50.480
<v Speaker 2>mean we can, and the universities a little bit have

0:41:51.320 --> 0:41:54.440
<v Speaker 2>put their hands in there and gone where fucked like,

0:41:54.600 --> 0:41:58.040
<v Speaker 2>because you can't combat it, because the AI is so

0:41:58.120 --> 0:42:01.040
<v Speaker 2>good that it can trick the know. There are programs

0:42:01.080 --> 0:42:05.200
<v Speaker 2>that kind of oh what's it called. I think it's

0:42:05.200 --> 0:42:09.920
<v Speaker 2>called turn it in, where they can run your paper

0:42:10.000 --> 0:42:12.359
<v Speaker 2>through this program to see how much of it's been

0:42:12.400 --> 0:42:14.920
<v Speaker 2>plagiarized or cut and pasted or cheated or blah blah

0:42:14.920 --> 0:42:18.160
<v Speaker 2>blah blah blah. But now what a lot of the

0:42:18.239 --> 0:42:20.880
<v Speaker 2>universities are doing. They're going, all right, well, AI is

0:42:21.000 --> 0:42:23.680
<v Speaker 2>not going away. CHAT, GPT and the like are not

0:42:23.800 --> 0:42:27.440
<v Speaker 2>going away. How do we integrate it into the programs

0:42:27.480 --> 0:42:31.520
<v Speaker 2>and the courses so that it's something of a level

0:42:31.640 --> 0:42:35.120
<v Speaker 2>playing field. But at the same time, the students are

0:42:35.160 --> 0:42:41.319
<v Speaker 2>still actually thinking and solving problems and doing work and

0:42:41.400 --> 0:42:45.200
<v Speaker 2>learning because the whole idea that, oh, we're just not

0:42:45.280 --> 0:42:49.000
<v Speaker 2>going to let them use AI is just not an

0:42:49.000 --> 0:42:52.000
<v Speaker 2>option anymore because it's gone beyond that. So it'll be

0:42:52.040 --> 0:42:57.959
<v Speaker 2>interesting to see in academia over the next two, five,

0:42:58.120 --> 0:43:01.640
<v Speaker 2>ten years what happens. Because the truth is now that

0:43:01.719 --> 0:43:05.960
<v Speaker 2>people can produce an academic paper or a paper that

0:43:06.040 --> 0:43:10.000
<v Speaker 2>looks like an academic paper in two hours that would

0:43:10.040 --> 0:43:13.799
<v Speaker 2>have taken someone six months, you know, because it can

0:43:13.880 --> 0:43:16.759
<v Speaker 2>research for you, it can do citations for you, it

0:43:16.800 --> 0:43:19.560
<v Speaker 2>can reference for you, it can lay it all out

0:43:19.600 --> 0:43:24.760
<v Speaker 2>for you. It's bloody. It's quite disconcerting for somebody who's

0:43:24.880 --> 0:43:28.920
<v Speaker 2>just spent six years doing their PhD and has nearly finished.

0:43:29.800 --> 0:43:31.120
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. Do you lock people up in a

0:43:31.160 --> 0:43:33.400
<v Speaker 3>room with a fountain pen and make them write stuff?

0:43:34.120 --> 0:43:35.799
<v Speaker 3>It's a hard one. I don't think there's a really

0:43:35.800 --> 0:43:38.040
<v Speaker 3>good answer. I think that the logical way is what

0:43:38.080 --> 0:43:40.719
<v Speaker 3>they're doing is try to integrate it and say these

0:43:40.760 --> 0:43:42.880
<v Speaker 3>are the AI tools that you're allowed to use. And

0:43:44.920 --> 0:43:46.440
<v Speaker 3>as you pointed out, and I think you said it

0:43:46.440 --> 0:43:48.960
<v Speaker 3>earlier in the show too, that it's getting harder and

0:43:49.000 --> 0:43:51.920
<v Speaker 3>harder and harder to pick what is AI generated, and

0:43:51.960 --> 0:43:56.279
<v Speaker 3>that's just making life were you're second guessing everything I'm doing.

0:43:56.520 --> 0:43:58.759
<v Speaker 3>I don't use social media, but I was on there

0:43:58.840 --> 0:44:02.960
<v Speaker 3>recently setting up something for a client, and this clip

0:44:03.040 --> 0:44:06.560
<v Speaker 3>popped up of a woman in a chicken like it

0:44:06.640 --> 0:44:08.879
<v Speaker 3>was like a KFC store or something. She was quite

0:44:08.920 --> 0:44:11.360
<v Speaker 3>a large looking lady and she went to the counter

0:44:11.440 --> 0:44:14.560
<v Speaker 3>to order the food and then the floor collapsed underneath

0:44:14.560 --> 0:44:17.120
<v Speaker 3>it because she was so large and it was AI.

0:44:17.360 --> 0:44:21.520
<v Speaker 3>But before that happened, it looked so real. It looked

0:44:21.520 --> 0:44:23.359
<v Speaker 3>so real. I'm thinking, what is this picture? Why am

0:44:23.360 --> 0:44:25.840
<v Speaker 3>I getting this video served up? And it was just

0:44:25.960 --> 0:44:30.000
<v Speaker 3>this piece of AI slop. But the problem is that

0:44:30.040 --> 0:44:32.680
<v Speaker 3>it was so realistic. I didn't pick it until, of

0:44:32.719 --> 0:44:34.719
<v Speaker 3>course the floor collapsed and she fell into it, and

0:44:34.760 --> 0:44:37.040
<v Speaker 3>even then it looked amazingly real.

0:44:37.400 --> 0:44:39.920
<v Speaker 4>But you knew it that it was so unfeasible.

0:44:39.960 --> 0:44:42.880
<v Speaker 3>It was just ridiculous, But at that point you didn't

0:44:42.920 --> 0:44:47.360
<v Speaker 3>realize it was something that was just AI, totally AI created.

0:44:47.920 --> 0:44:50.400
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm a little bit disappointed in you because I

0:44:50.400 --> 0:44:51.880
<v Speaker 2>didn't want to tell you this till the end of

0:44:51.880 --> 0:44:54.880
<v Speaker 2>the show. But I'm actually in the city this morning

0:44:54.960 --> 0:44:59.000
<v Speaker 2>doing a presentation, so you've been chatting with AI Craig

0:44:59.160 --> 0:45:01.719
<v Speaker 2>all morning and you didn't even pick it.

0:45:01.719 --> 0:45:05.960
<v Speaker 3>It's so stupid. It's dumb thing. It is so accurate,

0:45:05.960 --> 0:45:06.839
<v Speaker 3>isn't it, Tiff, what.

0:45:06.800 --> 0:45:08.640
<v Speaker 1>Are your Yeah?

0:45:08.760 --> 0:45:12.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and how real does the huge nose look? Yeah, well,

0:45:12.440 --> 0:45:13.759
<v Speaker 2>that's hurtful both of you.

0:45:14.560 --> 0:45:16.759
<v Speaker 4>I'm going into the city today too, Craigo.

0:45:16.520 --> 0:45:20.839
<v Speaker 2>I'm actually in there right now doing a gig. Tell

0:45:20.880 --> 0:45:24.640
<v Speaker 2>me what the pope has just pooh poohed. I feel

0:45:24.719 --> 0:45:27.640
<v Speaker 2>like I'm so glad you could weave something Catholic into

0:45:27.719 --> 0:45:29.160
<v Speaker 2>our technology discussion.

0:45:29.440 --> 0:45:32.640
<v Speaker 3>Look, I think that's important for you as a well. Actually,

0:45:32.640 --> 0:45:34.160
<v Speaker 3>and me now that I think of it, because I

0:45:34.239 --> 0:45:37.200
<v Speaker 3>tried to get excommunicated from the church. I actually wrote

0:45:37.280 --> 0:45:41.360
<v Speaker 3>a letter in Penn in Fountain, pen to the Archbishop

0:45:41.360 --> 0:45:44.120
<v Speaker 3>of Melbourne, but he ignored me. I was very disappointed.

0:45:44.280 --> 0:45:46.759
<v Speaker 3>I'm still reeling from that to not another letter.

0:45:46.760 --> 0:45:48.319
<v Speaker 2>I don't think you know, I think you can just

0:45:48.360 --> 0:45:49.840
<v Speaker 2>go I'm not on the team anymore.

0:45:49.840 --> 0:45:50.399
<v Speaker 1>See you later.

0:45:50.760 --> 0:45:51.959
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but now you've got.

0:45:51.880 --> 0:45:53.560
<v Speaker 3>To get the letter. You've got to get the official

0:45:53.640 --> 0:45:55.840
<v Speaker 3>letter of excommunication, which a lot of Catholics out there

0:45:55.880 --> 0:45:58.080
<v Speaker 3>are reeling about because it's a real bad thing to

0:45:58.120 --> 0:46:01.120
<v Speaker 3>get excommunicated from the church. But I did actually actively

0:46:01.200 --> 0:46:04.840
<v Speaker 3>try to because I feel that when they do a census,

0:46:04.920 --> 0:46:08.200
<v Speaker 3>I wanted all my parish records to be expunged, so

0:46:08.239 --> 0:46:10.239
<v Speaker 3>they can't count me as a Catholic because they tend

0:46:10.239 --> 0:46:11.960
<v Speaker 3>to like to do that and say we've got these

0:46:12.000 --> 0:46:14.360
<v Speaker 3>many Catholics in Australia. It's like, yeah, but I didn't

0:46:14.560 --> 0:46:17.200
<v Speaker 3>vote to be here, so I'd like not to be

0:46:17.280 --> 0:46:20.400
<v Speaker 3>in the group. I love my friends who are Catholics,

0:46:20.440 --> 0:46:22.759
<v Speaker 3>but I just don't want to be one anyway. Sorry,

0:46:22.920 --> 0:46:24.480
<v Speaker 3>we were talking about the pope went' we that took

0:46:24.520 --> 0:46:26.719
<v Speaker 3>me down.

0:46:26.680 --> 0:46:32.840
<v Speaker 2>Talk about deer in the headlights, talk about dog with

0:46:32.960 --> 0:46:33.640
<v Speaker 2>three dicks?

0:46:33.920 --> 0:46:36.360
<v Speaker 1>What concentrate? What adhd.

0:46:38.400 --> 0:46:41.040
<v Speaker 3>Oh dear? Anyway? So the Pope, so yeah, the popes

0:46:41.040 --> 0:46:44.920
<v Speaker 3>come out and said he's condemned This is very specific.

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<v Speaker 3>He's condemned clickbait, right, like the Pope, right, the head

0:46:51.600 --> 0:46:54.799
<v Speaker 3>of the Catholic Church, you know, el Papa, Pope Leo,

0:46:55.200 --> 0:46:57.759
<v Speaker 3>That Pope Leo the fourteenth is it? I think it's

0:46:57.760 --> 0:47:00.560
<v Speaker 3>the fourteenth. I'm discounting now. I'm pretty sure he's fourteenth.

0:47:00.600 --> 0:47:03.600
<v Speaker 3>Someone's going to correct me. So he's condemned clickbait, saying

0:47:03.640 --> 0:47:07.200
<v Speaker 3>that it's great, it's a degrading part of journalism. So

0:47:07.239 --> 0:47:10.080
<v Speaker 3>he had journalists there. He was giving a talk to

0:47:10.160 --> 0:47:13.239
<v Speaker 3>journalists including some Australian journalists and he's patting them on

0:47:13.280 --> 0:47:14.719
<v Speaker 3>the back and then he gives them a whack over

0:47:14.719 --> 0:47:17.760
<v Speaker 3>the back of their head. And this well metaphorically because

0:47:17.800 --> 0:47:22.160
<v Speaker 3>he says that clickbait is degrading. He said that. You know,

0:47:22.200 --> 0:47:25.960
<v Speaker 3>he's a proactive supporter of journalism, but he feels that

0:47:26.000 --> 0:47:29.799
<v Speaker 3>communication needs to be freed from the misguided thinking that

0:47:29.960 --> 0:47:33.640
<v Speaker 3>corrupts it, from unfair competition and the degrading practice of

0:47:33.760 --> 0:47:39.359
<v Speaker 3>so called clickbait. So he says, clickbait is sensationalist. It's

0:47:39.440 --> 0:47:43.400
<v Speaker 3>hyperbolic headline that entices online readers to click into a

0:47:43.480 --> 0:47:48.160
<v Speaker 3>story by admit omitting key information. That's it. That's the Pope.

0:47:48.760 --> 0:47:49.280
<v Speaker 1>Exactly.

0:47:49.560 --> 0:47:52.400
<v Speaker 2>He's exactly right, and it's not going away, Pope. So,

0:47:52.840 --> 0:47:56.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean, exactly you just described and that's not going

0:47:56.320 --> 0:47:59.880
<v Speaker 2>to stop. I mean, also, why have we had fourteen

0:48:00.040 --> 0:48:02.719
<v Speaker 2>hope leos? Are not one Pope Darren or Scott or

0:48:02.760 --> 0:48:07.800
<v Speaker 2>Brian or one scot Pope Patrick. I wonder if Patrick

0:48:07.840 --> 0:48:10.040
<v Speaker 2>does almost sound Papal does it.

0:48:10.040 --> 0:48:11.200
<v Speaker 3>It's kind of a wonderful.

0:48:11.600 --> 0:48:14.720
<v Speaker 2>It sounds it's quite catholic. Let's do let's do another

0:48:14.760 --> 0:48:20.040
<v Speaker 2>one or two. Let's talk about Ozzie's having their data

0:48:20.120 --> 0:48:24.200
<v Speaker 2>stolen and like, how that's happening.

0:48:24.880 --> 0:48:28.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it is typically a real problem. So in Australia

0:48:28.760 --> 0:48:32.400
<v Speaker 3>we have a thing called the Australian Signals Directorate. Okay,

0:48:32.680 --> 0:48:36.319
<v Speaker 3>it sounds pretty kind of pretty full on, doesn't it really.

0:48:36.400 --> 0:48:39.080
<v Speaker 3>I think it's a great name anyway. So last year

0:48:39.200 --> 0:48:43.560
<v Speaker 3>individual victims of cybercrime lost on average thirty three thousand dollars,

0:48:43.719 --> 0:48:47.000
<v Speaker 3>a big increase, an eight percent increase. And the problem

0:48:47.120 --> 0:48:51.200
<v Speaker 3>is that this kind of body that looks into this stuff,

0:48:51.400 --> 0:48:54.560
<v Speaker 3>the Signals director it is saying what we need to

0:48:54.600 --> 0:48:58.880
<v Speaker 3>do is make sure people aren't just using usernames and passwords,

0:48:58.880 --> 0:49:01.920
<v Speaker 3>that it's become redundant, that this is one of the

0:49:01.920 --> 0:49:07.719
<v Speaker 3>big problems this. Abigail Bradshaw is the ASD Director of

0:49:07.800 --> 0:49:10.759
<v Speaker 3>the Dead Director General, and she was speaking on SBS

0:49:11.280 --> 0:49:14.560
<v Speaker 3>and she basically said, we've got to move away from passwords.

0:49:14.600 --> 0:49:18.359
<v Speaker 3>We need multi factor authentication because that's how a lot

0:49:18.360 --> 0:49:22.040
<v Speaker 3>of people so it's being scammed. So the thing is

0:49:22.560 --> 0:49:26.600
<v Speaker 3>it's now not hackers that are hacking in. It's really

0:49:26.680 --> 0:49:31.080
<v Speaker 3>clever people fooling people into getting their usernames and passwords

0:49:31.440 --> 0:49:35.360
<v Speaker 3>so they're not hacking into corporations. They're calling and I

0:49:35.440 --> 0:49:38.160
<v Speaker 3>think the Quantus Data League recently, because of course this

0:49:38.200 --> 0:49:41.640
<v Speaker 3>is massive, eight million Quantus customers, all them, you know,

0:49:41.680 --> 0:49:45.279
<v Speaker 3>because this played out about a week ago where there

0:49:45.320 --> 0:49:49.120
<v Speaker 3>was a hack into a system I think with sales

0:49:49.160 --> 0:49:51.360
<v Speaker 3>Force was the program that had all the data in it,

0:49:51.680 --> 0:49:55.719
<v Speaker 3>and someone called a call center overseas and convinced them

0:49:55.760 --> 0:49:58.960
<v Speaker 3>that they were a technician and needed access, and that's

0:49:59.000 --> 0:50:00.920
<v Speaker 3>how the hackers got into the didn't actually hack in,

0:50:01.200 --> 0:50:04.120
<v Speaker 3>they sweet talk their way in and they managed to

0:50:04.120 --> 0:50:06.560
<v Speaker 3>then get access to all this data. They tried to

0:50:07.840 --> 0:50:10.560
<v Speaker 3>extort the money from Quantus, saying, if you don't give

0:50:10.640 --> 0:50:13.359
<v Speaker 3>us x amount of dollars, we're going to release this

0:50:13.560 --> 0:50:17.040
<v Speaker 3>information on the dark web. Quantus like the right thing

0:50:17.160 --> 0:50:19.960
<v Speaker 3>to do, and that's the problem because governments are saying,

0:50:20.280 --> 0:50:24.080
<v Speaker 3>don't let don't give money to hackers, don't give people

0:50:24.080 --> 0:50:27.120
<v Speaker 3>the money people are extorting money, extorting the money. Don't

0:50:27.120 --> 0:50:29.600
<v Speaker 3>give it to them because just encourages them. So then

0:50:29.880 --> 0:50:32.840
<v Speaker 3>they released this information on the dark web and potentially,

0:50:32.920 --> 0:50:36.520
<v Speaker 3>now if you're a Quantus, you know, if you're part

0:50:36.560 --> 0:50:39.560
<v Speaker 3>of the Quantus database, then potentially you're user name, your

0:50:39.560 --> 0:50:43.759
<v Speaker 3>pass word, your address, information related to you for identity

0:50:43.840 --> 0:50:46.080
<v Speaker 3>theft is now out in the real space and this

0:50:46.160 --> 0:50:48.799
<v Speaker 3>is the big concern for the Signals Directorate that this

0:50:48.960 --> 0:50:51.279
<v Speaker 3>is now one of the most common ways. When I

0:50:51.320 --> 0:50:54.440
<v Speaker 3>log into my bank account, I have a secret code

0:50:54.440 --> 0:50:57.320
<v Speaker 3>that gets sent to my phone and that's multi factoring

0:50:57.360 --> 0:51:02.120
<v Speaker 3>for authentication. And so really if you are and even

0:51:02.160 --> 0:51:04.520
<v Speaker 3>our websites, when we do a website for a client,

0:51:04.960 --> 0:51:08.480
<v Speaker 3>we give them multi factor authentication to log into their sites.

0:51:08.960 --> 0:51:13.000
<v Speaker 3>So I guess as consumers we need to be insisting

0:51:13.440 --> 0:51:16.080
<v Speaker 3>to whatever service we use, whether we're logging into a

0:51:16.120 --> 0:51:20.080
<v Speaker 3>website and putting out credit card information because we want

0:51:20.080 --> 0:51:23.400
<v Speaker 3>to buy something, we need to push that and say,

0:51:23.560 --> 0:51:26.239
<v Speaker 3>well wait a minute, if you don't have multi factor authentication,

0:51:27.080 --> 0:51:29.080
<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to give you my details. So there

0:51:29.120 --> 0:51:31.880
<v Speaker 3>should be more pressure in that sense, and we should

0:51:31.960 --> 0:51:35.920
<v Speaker 3>be more discerning about what we do online based on

0:51:35.960 --> 0:51:38.000
<v Speaker 3>the secure level of security. And if it's just to

0:51:38.080 --> 0:51:40.480
<v Speaker 3>use an over password, then maybe that's just not good

0:51:40.560 --> 0:51:41.760
<v Speaker 3>enough in this day and age.

0:51:42.960 --> 0:51:46.960
<v Speaker 2>Love it last one, last one. So Elon Musk people

0:51:47.080 --> 0:51:50.400
<v Speaker 2>know created a thing quite a while ago now called neurallink,

0:51:50.440 --> 0:51:53.399
<v Speaker 2>which is essentially an implant. It's a brain chip, goes

0:51:53.440 --> 0:51:57.080
<v Speaker 2>inside your skull sits on just on the surface of

0:51:57.120 --> 0:52:01.200
<v Speaker 2>your brain, which is my understanding. Ascent gives your brain

0:52:01.400 --> 0:52:04.719
<v Speaker 2>access to the Internet, which is so you can you

0:52:04.760 --> 0:52:10.680
<v Speaker 2>can google shit inside your head, Patrick if Well. And

0:52:10.719 --> 0:52:13.480
<v Speaker 2>the story is that ten thousand people have signed up

0:52:13.480 --> 0:52:17.160
<v Speaker 2>for this, which is mind blowing because who the fuck

0:52:17.239 --> 0:52:21.280
<v Speaker 2>knows what's going to happen. I'm just putting something foreign.

0:52:21.840 --> 0:52:26.160
<v Speaker 2>Putting something that's made of hardware in your brain unless

0:52:26.360 --> 0:52:29.359
<v Speaker 2>you really need it to me, is fraught with danger.

0:52:29.440 --> 0:52:32.520
<v Speaker 2>But let's say there was no danger and it was

0:52:32.560 --> 0:52:33.600
<v Speaker 2>one hundred percent safe.

0:52:33.640 --> 0:52:34.279
<v Speaker 1>Would you do it?

0:52:34.320 --> 0:52:36.680
<v Speaker 3>Patrick, I'm going to roll it back one. I'm going

0:52:36.760 --> 0:52:39.840
<v Speaker 3>to say right now as it is, including the danger

0:52:40.040 --> 0:52:43.360
<v Speaker 3>if I had murder your own disease, and I was

0:52:43.400 --> 0:52:45.520
<v Speaker 3>trapped in my own body and not able to move,

0:52:45.680 --> 0:52:48.279
<v Speaker 3>having experienced that with a very dear friend of mine

0:52:48.280 --> 0:52:51.239
<v Speaker 3>who passed away a few years back, three years ago,

0:52:51.320 --> 0:52:55.280
<v Speaker 3>from your own disease, where you basically lose all control

0:52:55.320 --> 0:52:59.280
<v Speaker 3>of your body, speak, movement, all that sort of stuff.

0:52:59.320 --> 0:53:02.319
<v Speaker 3>I would jump with anything it take off the back

0:53:02.360 --> 0:53:04.840
<v Speaker 3>of my head and plug in a computer. So I

0:53:04.840 --> 0:53:07.680
<v Speaker 3>think it's a circumstantial thing. If I knew I only

0:53:07.719 --> 0:53:09.920
<v Speaker 3>had six months left to live and I was trapped

0:53:09.960 --> 0:53:12.200
<v Speaker 3>in my own body, I would be plugging in as

0:53:12.200 --> 0:53:15.040
<v Speaker 3>many things into my head as possible, if that meant

0:53:15.040 --> 0:53:17.239
<v Speaker 3>I could at least have some way to interact with

0:53:17.280 --> 0:53:19.080
<v Speaker 3>the world. So I think it's circumstantial.

0:53:20.960 --> 0:53:23.319
<v Speaker 1>And back to my question, Patrick, would you do it?

0:53:23.560 --> 0:53:26.160
<v Speaker 2>And you don't have mode in you're on, you have

0:53:26.200 --> 0:53:29.439
<v Speaker 2>an ability to not answer my fucking question and tell

0:53:29.480 --> 0:53:32.440
<v Speaker 2>a story about just yes or no.

0:53:32.440 --> 0:53:32.600
<v Speaker 5>No.

0:53:32.680 --> 0:53:34.040
<v Speaker 4>It's not a use or no answer.

0:53:34.200 --> 0:53:35.080
<v Speaker 1>I think it's a yes.

0:53:35.080 --> 0:53:39.160
<v Speaker 2>It is like right now, as you are now, as

0:53:39.239 --> 0:53:42.000
<v Speaker 2>you are now, if it was safe.

0:53:41.680 --> 0:53:42.520
<v Speaker 1>Would you do it?

0:53:42.960 --> 0:53:47.640
<v Speaker 3>If it was safe one hundred percent tested and rigorously tested?

0:53:48.080 --> 0:53:50.840
<v Speaker 2>Yes, So fuck you could have just said that in

0:53:50.880 --> 0:53:55.080
<v Speaker 2>the first place, telling us about mode in your own disease,

0:53:55.120 --> 0:53:59.480
<v Speaker 2>which we do support MND and Neil Danaher and the

0:53:59.520 --> 0:53:59.960
<v Speaker 2>work he does.

0:54:00.120 --> 0:54:01.399
<v Speaker 1>Tiff, would you do it?

0:54:02.160 --> 0:54:02.560
<v Speaker 5>I don't know.

0:54:02.640 --> 0:54:04.760
<v Speaker 1>If it was one hundred percent safe.

0:54:04.840 --> 0:54:08.320
<v Speaker 5>I don't know. I hope I don't have to have

0:54:08.400 --> 0:54:11.319
<v Speaker 5>them ever have to make the decision. I hope it

0:54:11.320 --> 0:54:12.839
<v Speaker 5>doesn't happen that fast.

0:54:13.280 --> 0:54:17.240
<v Speaker 2>You will if it was one hundred percent no, No,

0:54:17.400 --> 0:54:19.680
<v Speaker 2>I would just rather access the information in the old

0:54:19.680 --> 0:54:23.560
<v Speaker 2>fashioned way. But then maybe that's just because I'm a

0:54:23.600 --> 0:54:26.160
<v Speaker 2>scaredy cat, and maybe Patrick, you're right.

0:54:26.239 --> 0:54:26.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

0:54:26.719 --> 0:54:28.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't think there's a right or wrong, but just

0:54:28.719 --> 0:54:31.200
<v Speaker 2>my my gut, my intuition says no.

0:54:31.520 --> 0:54:34.279
<v Speaker 3>Can I just talk about how absolutely lazy that I

0:54:34.400 --> 0:54:37.680
<v Speaker 3>sometimes can be? So if I wake up in the morning,

0:54:38.040 --> 0:54:40.480
<v Speaker 3>I've now got I talk to my Google home speaker

0:54:40.520 --> 0:54:43.439
<v Speaker 3>to add calendon entries into my diary, which is good

0:54:43.480 --> 0:54:45.279
<v Speaker 3>because if you wake up at two am and you've

0:54:45.280 --> 0:54:46.719
<v Speaker 3>got all these things going on but you don't want

0:54:46.719 --> 0:54:48.680
<v Speaker 3>to turn the lights on, I can talk to Google

0:54:48.719 --> 0:54:50.080
<v Speaker 3>and get it to add that information.

0:54:50.440 --> 0:54:51.920
<v Speaker 4>But sometimes I'm.

0:54:51.760 --> 0:54:54.000
<v Speaker 1>So Google the name of your boyfriend.

0:54:53.800 --> 0:55:02.200
<v Speaker 3>Yes, and Scott maybe say Scotty, Oh my god, they interchangeable. Maybe.

0:55:02.640 --> 0:55:03.759
<v Speaker 4>So the thing is.

0:55:03.960 --> 0:55:07.399
<v Speaker 2>How many funny, hilarious, entertaining things I could say right now,

0:55:07.400 --> 0:55:10.319
<v Speaker 2>but I can't. Are the three people that send me

0:55:10.360 --> 0:55:11.320
<v Speaker 2>emails all the time?

0:55:11.480 --> 0:55:14.880
<v Speaker 3>You go on, But sometimes I'm still in that you know,

0:55:14.920 --> 0:55:20.760
<v Speaker 3>when you're in that drowsy half awake time of twilight zone. Yeah, yeah,

0:55:20.880 --> 0:55:24.040
<v Speaker 3>and you're too lazy to even speak to Google or

0:55:24.080 --> 0:55:26.839
<v Speaker 3>too zonked out to speak to Google. If I had

0:55:26.840 --> 0:55:29.520
<v Speaker 3>that neural link chip, I could just think it and

0:55:29.560 --> 0:55:31.799
<v Speaker 3>not have to articulate it, so I don't even have

0:55:31.880 --> 0:55:34.560
<v Speaker 3>to speak to add that calendar note. See that would

0:55:34.560 --> 0:55:34.879
<v Speaker 3>be good.

0:55:35.320 --> 0:55:37.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad you delayed the end of the show for that,

0:55:37.520 --> 0:55:38.840
<v Speaker 2>because that was fucking great.

0:55:42.280 --> 0:55:48.000
<v Speaker 1>In your head? What goes on? Oh we love you.

0:55:48.440 --> 0:55:50.200
<v Speaker 1>I've just taken the p one ss.

0:55:50.560 --> 0:55:52.919
<v Speaker 3>But if I had neurallink, I could plug my head

0:55:52.920 --> 0:55:54.640
<v Speaker 3>into your head and then you would know what was

0:55:54.680 --> 0:55:55.520
<v Speaker 3>going on in my head.

0:55:55.560 --> 0:55:58.240
<v Speaker 2>I could And if you had neurallink, you could download

0:55:58.320 --> 0:56:01.279
<v Speaker 2>your download your dreams and sect them later in the day.

0:56:01.440 --> 0:56:03.600
<v Speaker 3>It'd be awesome. I'd love to I have so many good,

0:56:03.680 --> 0:56:05.479
<v Speaker 3>vivid dreams. I dream so much.

0:56:06.560 --> 0:56:10.720
<v Speaker 2>Patrick, Speaking of dreams, people who are dreaming to connect

0:56:10.719 --> 0:56:16.480
<v Speaker 2>with you and get you to help them develop their website, etc.

0:56:17.080 --> 0:56:18.960
<v Speaker 2>And business and branding and marketing.

0:56:19.040 --> 0:56:19.840
<v Speaker 1>How can they do that?

0:56:20.480 --> 0:56:24.560
<v Speaker 3>Just go to websitesnow, dot com doday. You really the worst?

0:56:25.040 --> 0:56:27.360
<v Speaker 1>And that was the worst fucking segue of all time.

0:56:28.280 --> 0:56:31.799
<v Speaker 3>Me, I'm not as bad in the real world. It's

0:56:31.840 --> 0:56:34.239
<v Speaker 3>Craig just brings out the worst in me. So if

0:56:34.239 --> 0:56:37.560
<v Speaker 3>you if you want to talk to me about important things.

0:56:38.440 --> 0:56:41.319
<v Speaker 1>All right, we're going to go. Thank you, Patrick, thank

0:56:41.360 --> 0:56:41.719
<v Speaker 1>you TIV.

0:56:42.160 --> 0:56:43.000
<v Speaker 3>See you guys,