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Speaker 4: Hello and welcome to Pittalk, brought to you by Shannons.

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Speaker 4: On today's episode, brock Feenie extends his championship lead in

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Speaker 4: the supercars as the end of the Sprint Cup approaches.

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Speaker 4: In moder GP, it's Mark Marquez winning again to inflict

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Speaker 4: the F one Silly season is heading towards a crunch.

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Speaker 4: In the aftermath of Christian Horner's shock dismissal from Red

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Speaker 4: Bull Racing, my name is Michael Lomonado. It's great to

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Speaker 4: have your company and the company of my co host.

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Speaker 4: Today he will be flowing because he will not be

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Speaker 4: at his extra limit.

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Speaker 1: It's Matt Clayton. I'm not flowing at all. It's be

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Speaker 1: perfectly honest. Any Monday after a murder g weekend, there's

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Speaker 2: Yes, how close are you to your extra limit?

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Speaker 3: Possibly over it?

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Speaker 2: You know we're all view the extra limit.

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Speaker 4: We'll get into the supercars and murder gyp action in

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Speaker 4: just a moment, but I want to start with Formula

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Speaker 4: one because we're only a few days after Christian Horner's

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Speaker 4: your podcast Speed if you go back and have a

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Speaker 4: look late last week. It was Thursday morning Australia Times

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Speaker 4: that have been really interesting because, like we said last week,

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Speaker 4: but the driver market percussions are also very interesting because

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Speaker 4: this is tied inextricably with Max Verstappan's position of the team.

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Speaker 4: It's been a story we've been talking about for quite

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Speaker 1: It is funny too, because George Russell should have all

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Speaker 1: I think where Verstappan becomes a player, because every team

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Speaker 4: That's the thing we do know, yes, and I think

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Speaker 4: Valdrie Botas has very experienced, a ten time Grand Prix

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Speaker 4: the performance is not there.

437
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Speaker 3: Well, there's a momentum element. This isn't there.

438
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Speaker 1: Positive, positive or negative momentum go such a long way,

439
00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,640
Speaker 1: which is bizarre in such a data driven sport here

440
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Speaker 1: no matter whether it's four or two wheels, and yet

441
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Speaker 1: the emotional momentum side can really take over the hard

442
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Speaker 1: data and what you know to be true. So every

443
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Speaker 1: time he is significantly outqualified, there's the shoulders go down.

444
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Speaker 1: I've got to do this again to fight my way

445
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Speaker 1: back to where I think I should rightfully be, and

446
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Speaker 1: that wears on you over the course of a season.

447
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Speaker 1: But as you were saying, because the format is different

448
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Speaker 1: this year, individually that doesn't mean as much, but psychologically

449
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Speaker 1: that's the thing.

450
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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, look at some of the numbers. I've written

451
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Speaker 4: some down here and I'll consult my notes. Right qualifying,

452
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Speaker 4: it's Feeney twenty to round two, like that's pretty that's

453
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Speaker 4: damaging and by an average of four point nine places,

454
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Speaker 4: and it's only a tenth in a little bit, but

455
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Speaker 4: that's actually pretty big for SUP because only so many

456
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Speaker 4: teammates that separated by that. It's fifteen to sixteen races

457
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Speaker 4: average of just over a place thirty one points per

458
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Speaker 4: week and a little bit more tofeening.

459
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Speaker 2: It adds up to quite a lot.

460
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Speaker 4: And like I say, with the finals, it kind of

461
00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,639
Speaker 4: doesn't matter like Brown's going to start second. He means

462
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Speaker 4: the points gap when they reset, it's not going to

463
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Speaker 4: be massive, that's right. But he hasn't been able to generate,

464
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Speaker 4: like you say, that momentum. And while we've still got

465
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Speaker 4: three races till the finals, two of them are in

466
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Speaker 4: duros and they're kind of a little bit they're be wacky.

467
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Speaker 2: It's harder to generate that kind.

468
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Speaker 4: Of individual momentum, yes, even if you're the one having

469
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Speaker 4: great qualifying, because it's just not quite the same. So

470
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Speaker 4: to change that, it's not even about changing the narrative,

471
00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,800
Speaker 4: it is literally for himself generating that momentum. And the

472
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Speaker 4: other difficulty this weekend is between Darwin and Townsville. They've

473
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Speaker 4: done and it's always a little bit of a red

474
00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:39,160
Speaker 4: flag isn't for a driver when they say, well, we've

475
00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:42,280
Speaker 4: taken the car apart, We've looked at the chassis for problems,

476
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Speaker 4: haven't found the problems.

477
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Speaker 2: We're looking at it again in Townsville.

478
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Speaker 4: Like, that's a dire place for a driver to be,

479
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Speaker 4: especially when it's your teammate that's doing it all.

480
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Speaker 2: It's not like they're racing another car where you can say,

481
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Speaker 2: well the car is just fast.

482
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Speaker 1: Yeah, correct, and you can see the smooth sailing that's

483
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Speaker 1: going on the other side of the garage. That again

484
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Speaker 1: plays into the psychological narrative. I just wonder if they're

485
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Speaker 1: almost needs to be a less public sort of flagellation

486
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Speaker 1: of things going long and you need to play a

487
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Speaker 1: better poker face and not let on that he's so

488
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Speaker 1: affected by this.

489
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Speaker 3: But yeah, those stats are pretty damning.

490
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so there's a lot of work for him to do.

491
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Speaker 4: There's only one Sprint Cup race left in hips which

492
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Speaker 4: it's almost certainly going to be seen his Sprint Cup win,

493
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Speaker 4: first Sprint Cup winner for supercars. There are others in

494
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Speaker 4: jurors to come. But then I guess, look the finals.

495
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Speaker 4: You can you can look at it both ways, can't you?

496
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Speaker 2: One way?

497
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Speaker 4: Is that why would you expect the qualifying changes to happen,

498
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Speaker 4: But the pressure is going to ramp up in a

499
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Speaker 4: way none of these drivers have experienced for the first time.

500
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Speaker 2: That changes things.

501
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Speaker 4: But I want to come back to that idea that

502
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Speaker 4: maybe this race Townsville is a good finals indicator.

503
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Speaker 2: There's a little bit of an asterisk come out.

504
00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:41,399
Speaker 4: Every street track is obviously quite different, and the first

505
00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,080
Speaker 4: finals is the Gold Coast, which is a pretty wacky

506
00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:48,200
Speaker 4: street track straight and then those funny chicanes. It's probably

507
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Speaker 4: maybe a little bit more indicative Adelaide, so grand Final

508
00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:54,159
Speaker 4: picture not exactly the same, but maybe we can use

509
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Speaker 4: that as that. And I thought it was really interesting

510
00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,280
Speaker 4: this weekend. So I've done collected all the fastest laps

511
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Speaker 4: of each team over the course of the weekend, and

512
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Speaker 4: it's Grove that had the fastest lap and advantage of

513
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,399
Speaker 4: almost nothing ahead of DJRS so teams J and j

514
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Speaker 4: Our's case.

515
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:07,920
Speaker 2: Very inconsistent season.

516
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Speaker 4: Yeah, but it does show you, I mean, because Techy

517
00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:14,320
Speaker 4: won from poll on Friday, breakthrough victory for this team switch,

518
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,040
Speaker 4: but it shows that he can just about get all

519
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Speaker 4: things right and when he does, he will win.

520
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Speaker 1: Which will be so interesting when you get to the

521
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Speaker 1: point end of the season because when it's knockout, well yeah,

522
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Speaker 1: and he will have an influence in how this even

523
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Speaker 1: if he may not win it himself, he's going to

524
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Speaker 1: influence who might.

525
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:31,960
Speaker 3: And it's that classic spoiler role.

526
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Speaker 1: That you love this at this end of the season

527
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Speaker 1: when it gets to a really really high stakes that

528
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Speaker 1: if someone's going to spoil somebody's day, it's probably going

529
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Speaker 1: to be in.

530
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's sort of the role he's playing.

531
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Speaker 4: Also one at the Gold Coast last year, just indict

532
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Speaker 4: these are the sort of previous stats will break out

533
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Speaker 4: when we get there. But that's really interesting. If we

534
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Speaker 4: also want to liken this to Adelaide, the format is

535
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Speaker 4: going to be the same. It's not going to be

536
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Speaker 4: in the Gold Coast and Sandown with the two race weekends,

537
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Speaker 4: but in Adelaide we're racing on Friday. It is a

538
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Speaker 4: four day weekend format. It's a little bit different in

539
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Speaker 4: terms of practice, but a lot the order was shaken

540
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Speaker 4: up on Friday. Here Trivia eight was nowhere on Friday,

541
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Speaker 4: which is one day of that Grand Final that brock

542
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:10,760
Speaker 4: Feenie may qualified outside the top ten as he did

543
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 4: this weekend yep, and only just get back into those

544
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Speaker 4: big points, and that could be influential. While the Friday

545
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Speaker 4: pays relatively fewer points, even more so in Adelaide than

546
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 4: it did here, that doesn't matter. You know, we're talking

547
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Speaker 4: about that last race where it's sort of a bit

548
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Speaker 4: of a reset, and if you're looking at that, well,

549
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Speaker 4: then you've got WAU that could be in the mix.

550
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Speaker 4: They started really badly this weekend, but by the end

551
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Speaker 4: their car was among the fastest on.

552
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Speaker 3: Saturday, arguably once I got there.

553
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Speaker 4: Yeah, for Chasmsten might have been the fastest race car,

554
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,920
Speaker 4: but was starting so far back that he didn't have

555
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Speaker 4: an influence. Tickford really quick over one lap in the race,

556
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Speaker 4: was a little bit less influential.

557
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Speaker 2: Even team eighteen.

558
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Speaker 4: I was really impressed to see if I averaged this

559
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Speaker 4: season qualifying about four tenths off the fastest time down

560
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Speaker 4: to two tenths this weekend on the street track. That's

561
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Speaker 4: kind of interesting. So I'm going to write this up

562
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Speaker 4: over the course of the week in Fox Sports. A

563
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Speaker 4: bit hard to get stats off across in the podcast

564
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Speaker 4: and the way I want, but there were some little

565
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Speaker 4: interesting lessons in towns that I think could have some

566
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Speaker 4: teams thinking about how they're going to approach the finals,

567
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 4: because again it is knockout. You only get a couple

568
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Speaker 4: of chances over the course of the weekend to score

569
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Speaker 4: big points. If you start badly, you may not be

570
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Speaker 4: able to recover in the way you want, yep, because

571
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Speaker 4: you will only have one extra race, Gold Coast Sandown.

572
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Speaker 2: It's going to be interesting. We're getting to that point

573
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Speaker 2: where we can think about it now.

574
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Speaker 1: I do enjoy you road testing feature story ideas and

575
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Speaker 1: the podcast to convince yourself that it's something that you

576
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Speaker 1: want to write. And the more I'm not at you

577
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Speaker 1: will write it for you with me and anyone else

578
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Speaker 1: would like to read it. But go ahead, I'm looking

579
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Speaker 1: forward to read this one now.

580
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Speaker 2: Very good.

581
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Speaker 4: Well that's you can read about it later on the

582
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Speaker 4: Fox Sports website. But tell me a little bit about

583
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Speaker 4: motives you've actually before we do that one, we do

584
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Speaker 4: Move of the Week, and I'm going to go back

585
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Speaker 4: to something we're already talked about with Brock Feenie and

586
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Speaker 4: I know we've looked sometimes we've taken Move of the

587
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Speaker 4: Week to meet our own things. I'm going to say

588
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Speaker 4: defensive move of the Week, defensive drive of the week,

589
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Speaker 4: even because it was on Sunday where he had the

590
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Speaker 4: wind just about sewn up.

591
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Speaker 2: But Will Brown came on really strong in that last thing.

592
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Speaker 3: Uncomfortable.

593
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 4: It was uncomfortable and for a while, and it is

594
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 4: uncomfortable as well because he had the pace to a

595
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 4: potentially undercut Phoenie. But the team doesn't allow that kind

596
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 4: of thing when to sort of do it on the road,

597
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 4: which is fair enough, and he took that as a

598
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 4: fair cop. But I thought to go back to the

599
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Speaker 4: idea that last year in Townsville, Brown kinda ran rings

600
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Speaker 4: around Phoene, at least on the Saturday race. I thing

601
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Speaker 4: on Sunday race is a little bit different and sort

602
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Speaker 4: of asserted that dominance. It ended up winning in the title.

603
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Speaker 4: That consistency, dependability, it's really flipped around this year and

604
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Speaker 4: I can't couldn't help but feel that Sunday result was

605
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Speaker 4: important because if Brown ended the very end of Sunday

606
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Speaker 4: is the faster car still couldn't deliver the victory. Another

607
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Speaker 4: victory for Phoene extended championship lead. It was enough for

608
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Speaker 4: Brown to hold on the second We were only just

609
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Speaker 4: ahead of that pain. I just felt that was a

610
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Speaker 4: really important defensive move.

611
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Speaker 3: No. Agree.

612
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Speaker 1: So the wins that you get sometimes when you're not

613
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Speaker 1: the fastest, and we see this in all levels of sport,

614
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Speaker 1: they are worth more than the points that you get

615
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Speaker 1: for them. Yes, because of your ability to not squander

616
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Speaker 1: an advantage you have against a faster opponent.

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Speaker 3: I think it's pretty significant.

618
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Speaker 2: I think so. So it's going to be my defensive

619
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 2: move of the week for Rock Seen.

620
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Speaker 1: I'm going to go more attacking given you've taken the

621
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Speaker 1: defensive side of things. Motor DP and Saxon Ring in

622
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Speaker 1: the sprint race, and we have only ever had if

623
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Speaker 1: you can believe this, one wet sprint race before last

624
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Speaker 1: Saturday Saxon Ring.

625
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Speaker 3: Has been one in three years.

626
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Speaker 1: Before last Saturday at sax Ring, which is bizarre to think.

627
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Speaker 1: And Mark Marquez and Saxon Ring, we know how that

628
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 1: normally ends.

629
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Speaker 3: But he messed up the.

630
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Speaker 1: First corner, so it was fifth after the first lap.

631
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Speaker 1: And it's interesting because he was saying the whole way

632
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Speaker 1: through the weekend, I will not risk, I will not risk,

633
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 1: I will not risk. He's got a big championship lead.

634
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 1: The thing I loved about what he did in this

635
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 1: race is he eventually got himself back to second place

636
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Speaker 1: with about five laps to go, and Marco Betzeki on

637
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 1: the aprilias two and a bit seconds up the road.

638
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 1: The sensible thing to do would be, all right, there's

639
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 1: only three points difference between first and second and a

640
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Speaker 1: sprint race. I'm just going to take my points and

641
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: go home. I've got a pretty significant lead. But he's

642
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 1: fighting with his instincts. If there's something to win, Mark

643
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 1: can't help himself. It could literally just be a game

644
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,479
Speaker 1: of scrabble, like he wants to just demolish everybody. And

645
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: he did one lap and went, oh, I took four

646
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: tenths off him on that lap, and he's like, all right,

647
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 1: let's go. And then so you end up with the

648
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: last two laps where Marquees is closing in at such

649
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: a rapid rate, and it wasn't a question of whether

650
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: Marques was faster as whether it's going to.

651
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 3: Run out of time or not.

652
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 1: And of course we get to the first corner of

653
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Speaker 1: the very very last lap and move of the week,

654
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Speaker 1: Mark just absolutely sends it on like Opazeki and then

655
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Speaker 1: goes and wins by nearly a second on the last

656
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: lap by keeping the hammer down and I love the

657
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:31,959
Speaker 1: fact the move of the week for me is that

658
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 1: he knows he shouldn't have been doing it. His team

659
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: had said play it carefully. He knows everyone's looking at

660
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 1: him saying you did not make a mistake here, But

661
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: he's still prepared to do it, even with the advantage

662
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Speaker 1: that he's got.

663
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 3: And I love that.

664
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Speaker 1: The move to me is wrestling with your instincts and

665
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: trying to play the championship picture. Yes, they're so long

666
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: to go, but if anyone needs reminding about how things

667
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: can turn very quickly, it's Mark Marquez still prepared to

668
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 1: back himself and yes, winning at the Saxon Ring, but

669
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: not in the way we thought he might.

670
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, and to go back to something you were talking

671
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 4: about last week, I doubt he was feeling any dispressure.

672
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 4: But there was that interesting statistic this year that all

673
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 4: the tracks is traditionally excelled at. Yes, he's ended up

674
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 4: with nothing, he's out of them. To go back to

675
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 4: Coder as a great examples, where is this? So this weekend,

676
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 4: That's what I was thinking of over the course the

677
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 4: most weekend. It was clearly had his big pace advantage,

678
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,239
Speaker 4: but you know, sometimes those statistics just work out and

679
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:20,919
Speaker 4: so taking a big risk in the sprint. Okay, the

680
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 4: sprint doesn't count the Grand Prix for the sake of

681
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,439
Speaker 4: that stat but nonetheless, how much was he willing to

682
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 4: play with that? But you know, to quote him, he

683
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 4: wasn't even at his extra limit, so he felt.

684
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 2: Comfortable to it.

685
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 1: Indeed, yes, he had other limits he could reach, didn't

686
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: need them.

687
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 4: Yes, exactly. Well, let's go under the German Grand Prix

688
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 4: in Moto GP. The headline takeaway I guess was that

689
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 4: Mark Marquez wins again quite comfortably in the end.

690
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 2: Is it as simple as this? You go to the

691
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 2: sax Ring and you turn left, and he's just going.

692
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 3: To win it more or less.

693
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: I think he's won nine Premier class races at this track. Now,

694
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: he's won twelve World Championship Grand Prix. If you go

695
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: back to his one, two, five and Motor two days,

696
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: he's base sick been unbeatable there since twenty ten, which.

697
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 3: Is wild when you think about it.

698
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: But if you gave Mark a blank sheet of paper

699
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 1: and a pen and said, design what your ideal circuit

700
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: would look like the Saxon Ring, I'm glad it's on

701
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 1: the calendar. You wouldn't want more than one or two

702
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 1: real outline circuits like this. It's such a bizarre racetrack

703
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: in that it's thirteen corners and ten of them go left,

704
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: and so it's just climbing and going left on itself

705
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: the entire time, which is great for a visual podcast.

706
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 1: Here I'm drawing circles, but with his dirt track background

707
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: and how good he is in left handed corners relative

708
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: to how he is in right handed corners now because

709
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 1: of all of the surgeries on that right arm, it

710
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: becomes a case of who's going to finish second, and

711
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: they all go into the weekend knowing that, but watching

712
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: him play with the bike in those left handed turns

713
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: where you're very rarely stood up straight on this track,

714
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: you're constantly leaning over and watching him just hit the

715
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: same lines. It's a combination of being metronomically perfect but

716
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: also just willing to risk more than anybody else. And

717
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: Fabio de jen Antonio talked about this in the Grand

718
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: Prix on Sunday. He sort of emerged out of a

719
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: big battle pack to sit second and was really competitive

720
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: did year for the whole entire race, and he said

721
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: he was just watching Mark and he couldn't believe that

722
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: he wasn't even half a meter offline. He was breaking

723
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: at the same point every time. He said, it was

724
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: actually quite mesmerizing watching how much of a zone he is.

725
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 3: It's a hard track.

726
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, it's a bit small for motor GP

727
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: bikes and they certainly don't stretch their legs there. There's

728
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: a lot of jeopardy at this track, and so to

729
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: just be constantly on it left all the way through

730
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: incredibly impressive. So not surprising in the slightest, but it

731
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: doesn't get any less impressive watching him ride a motor

732
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: GP bike around.

733
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Speaker 4: There is there any significance thinking back to because to

734
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 4: my mind then the deer of his post surgery career

735
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 4: was also here. Yes, the frustration of not being able

736
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 4: to will his bike around in the way that he's

737
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 4: clearly made it look so easy this weekend. As in

738
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 4: the past, it's been clear that he's been back for

739
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 4: quite a while now, and particularly this year, back on

740
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 4: a competitive bike and able to run rings around anyway.

741
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 2: Does that play a role in the meaningfulness of this result?

742
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: I think so, because it was there that I think

743
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: he crashed six times that year where he was just

744
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: trying to bend a honder into places it couldn't possibly

745
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: go to the point where he was just going to

746
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: hurt himself again, and he actually pulled out of the

747
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: race weekend. I think psychologically that was a real turning

748
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: point in his relationship with Honda's I cannot keep doing

749
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: this to myself, given the physical anguish that I've gone through.

750
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: There was that race, and then there was the race

751
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: in Australia when he finished on the podium where he said,

752
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: I realized that it's not me anymore, it's the bike.

753
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: It's the bike that's holding me back. And that set

754
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: in chain this whole series of events that's now got

755
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: him to the best bike.

756
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 3: On the grid.

757
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: But it's a significant circuit in that he won a

758
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: race there between surgeries in twenty twenty one, which made

759
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: absolutely no sense because his arm was still thirty four

760
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: degrees out of its natural alignment and one anyway, And

761
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: still one of the best post race interviews I think

762
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: I've ever seen in Murder GP because of how raw

763
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: he was and Matt Burt was doing the interview and

764
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: didn't over ask the question, and it's like, what's going

765
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: through your head right now? And you could see Mark's

766
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: eyes just spinning trying to get the emotions of what

767
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: this meant into words, which is a rare sign of

768
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: Mark letting his guard down.

769
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 3: Doesn't often do that.

770
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: But there's something special. We've talked about this before, watching

771
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: a driver or a rider that has an affinity with

772
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: a place and you know what it's going to be

773
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: like before it starts. But watching perfection never gets.

774
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 3: Old to me.

775
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: And yes, it was a very very predictable result over

776
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: the course of the race weekend, but it's still great

777
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: to watch, particularly in the context of what he's gone through.

778
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, you said this is all about who could finish second.

779
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 4: A couple of writers had a crack and decide they.

780
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 3: Didn't want to most writers did.

781
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 4: Yes, only ten finishes. Crazy, it's been a while since

782
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 4: we've had so few finishes.

783
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now, I dug very very quickly when we got

784
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: down to about twelve runners, I thought, all, this is

785
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: starting to get to historical territory here. Twenty eleven Australian

786
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: Grand Prix ten finishes. Casey Stone won that race, one

787
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: of the world championship and so it was a bizarre race

788
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: and that we only had a very limited grid to start.

789
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: We only had eighteen starters on Sunday because we had

790
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: Franco Morberd earlier and Maverick Vignales injured themselves.

791
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 3: During the weekend.

792
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: We had somemcat Chancer who wasn't there, had a training

793
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: accident and aambastine and he didn't travel because he had appendicicitus.

794
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: So the whole exactly so the Tech three KTM had

795
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: no bikes on track from Saturday morning. They could have

796
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: just packed up and gone early to Bruno. But when

797
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: you had this bizarre situation where it rained all day Saturday,

798
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: all Saturday night Sunday, the sun was out, but the

799
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: track had absolutely no rubber on it and no one

800
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: had done any real long runs in the dry, so

801
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: you had a dry track with no rubber laid down,

802
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: and the wind had flipped, so was a tail wind

803
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: going into turn one at saxon Ry, which as you know,

804
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: is downhill and off camber. So once a lot of

805
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 1: riders got twelve fifteen laps into the race, about half distance,

806
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: tires wearing down, no grip, tailwind pushing you faster into

807
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: the corner, and they all kept going down at the

808
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: same corner, so There were eight crashes from the race,

809
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: and six of them were at turn one because riders

810
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: were getting down to turn one tipping the bike. Jack

811
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: Miller said he almost lost at the Quatarero. Did Mark

812
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: said he had a bit of a moment there. So

813
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: even the guys that stayed on that was the real

814
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: problem spot. And Picoba said after the race, I basically

815
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: took it easy through the first corner for the last

816
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: ten laps and tried to push everywhere else because I

817
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: knew what was going to happen, because you remember last

818
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: year he inherited a race win there because Juge Martine

819
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: crashed there on the last lap of the race. So

820
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: it is a problem, but I think it was more

821
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: a confluence of really green circuit and that tailwind in

822
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: a big downhill stop at that track. That's what makes

823
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: that track so unique. But it really was survival of

824
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: the fit. It's ten finishes in a motor GP race

825
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: is absolutely bizarre. Mean, it's half a full sized grid.

826
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was watching the totem and sworn I'd forgotten

827
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 4: someone or it had had an error or something like

828
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 4: that didn't make any sense.

829
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 2: And just finally Jack Miller quite a good weekend for him.

830
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 4: Quite a productive weekend for him, not only in terms

831
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 4: of points scores, but for his future. This has been

832
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 4: the subject the last couple of weeks at Fox sports

833
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 4: dot com Dot you on Monday, what did we learn

834
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 4: from it?

835
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: Great timing, Jack's strongest weekend he's had all seasons in

836
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: terms of points. Finished fifth in the sprint. It's the

837
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: best sprint result he's had in his last twenty sprints

838
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 1: going back to Austria last year. Eighth in the Grand Prix,

839
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: which is a little bit disappointing. He is hovering around

840
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 1: fifty six for most of the race and lost a

841
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: couple of places in the last two or three laps.

842
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: But for him to get thirteen points out of a

843
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: weekend where it's been a little bit barren lately, he's

844
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: quite good there. He's often been pretty good at Saxon Ring.

845
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 1: But we know that it's going to be him or

846
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: Miguel oliver or perhaps the Yogo Mira from Moto II

847
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: who's going to come in and take that second promac seat.

848
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: Olivera was the first crasher in the Grand Prix and

849
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: didn't score a point for the entire weekend, and marera

850
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: If you've read anything that I've written in the last

851
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: twenty four hours. Was committed one of the craziest things

852
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: I've ever seen in a Moto II race by just

853
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: pulling on track without looking and getting completely wiped out

854
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: by David Alonso and that so stocks down for Rolvera

855
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: and Morrera this weekend. But in terms of Jack's timing,

856
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: given that Yamahara said they want this done by the

857
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: mid season break, we've only got the Czech Republic GP

858
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 1: to go. Now Jack's put himself. I think he was

859
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 1: in a good position anyway, but I would now describe

860
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: him having one hand and perhaps four fingers on a

861
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: contract for next year, which when you consider that he

862
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: was the last writer signed for this year and only

863
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: on a one year deal, it's fantastic news for Australian fans.

864
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, really good news.

865
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 4: Hopefully it will be a lot of optimism by timing

866
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 4: you to Philip violand obvious a bit later in the year,

867
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 4: almost ting to wrap up Matt. But let's go to

868
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:23,479
Speaker 4: the crystal ball by complete home filtration. First of all,

869
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 4: how would you like to predict so relatively quiet week

870
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 4: by motorsports standard, It's only the Motor GP this weekend.

871
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: I just want to know if anyone had Christian Horner

872
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: not being Rebels team principal in their crystal ball.

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Speaker 3: We seeing a number, I'll buy it off you. It's

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Speaker 3: clearly a better crystal ball than you and I have got.

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Speaker 1: But I'm going to stick with a Jack Miller theme here.

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Speaker 1: We've got Bruneau coming up this weekend. My predictions. I

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Speaker 1: think that Jack Miller is going to be confirmed for

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, either just before or just after the

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Speaker 1: Bruno weekend. We have a four week gap before the

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Speaker 1: Austrian Grand Prix, and I think we're going to know

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Speaker 1: that Jack's going to be on the twenty twenty six

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Speaker 1: Motor GP grid imminently. Very good, very good timing for him,

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Speaker 1: I suppose, yes, and for us Crystal war for you

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Speaker 1: probably know Christian Horner extremities, but no.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to stay away from Christian Horners, who could

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Speaker 4: predict you after twenty years. I'm going to go with

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Speaker 4: Valterie Botas to go back something to talk about a

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Speaker 4: little bit earlier. I know Cadillac wants to agree to

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Speaker 4: someone before the mid season break, just one driver for now,

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Speaker 4: to give a little bit of momentum to the team

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Speaker 4: a little bit certainty as well, and at least one

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Speaker 4: driver gives you some security and then the other one you.

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Speaker 2: Can play off against circumstances.

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Speaker 4: You know, if it's gonna be Sergio Perry's as the

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Speaker 4: second driver, but maybe Yuki Sonoda could appear on the

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Speaker 4: market later or whatever, maybe George Russell.

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Speaker 2: But I think it's gonna be Valteri Botas first.

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Speaker 4: I think, as we sort of discussed, for me, Cadillac

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Speaker 4: makes the most sense more than Alpine, unless Alpine was

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Speaker 4: strictly speaking second half of the year and then you

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Speaker 4: get to go to Cadillac later, which seems a little

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Speaker 4: bit much, but you never know. But I think it's

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Speaker 4: going to be Valteri Botas at Cadillac. I think it's

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Speaker 4: a good first choice driver for a new team like Cadillac.

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Speaker 4: I think it's a good place for him to go

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Speaker 4: and write the last chapter of his kore and it

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Speaker 4: can be a long one. I'm like, is that old

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Speaker 4: and Fernando Alonso certainly pushing the age shiling up, as

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Speaker 4: is Lewis Hamilton, so it could be quite a long

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Speaker 4: last chapter of his career. But I think it would

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Speaker 4: be really important one one that would be last for him,

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Speaker 4: and I think that of the drivers they have available

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Speaker 4: to them, he's certainly the best choice.

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Speaker 1: I like it for him, and I think I specially

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Speaker 1: like it for Cadillac. I think it gives them a

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Speaker 1: level of credibility that's really hard when you're a startup.

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Speaker 1: No matter what in the name says above the door,

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Speaker 1: no matter the financial support you've got behind you, that

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Speaker 1: gives you instant credibility. A guy who's won a lot

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Speaker 1: of racism, has gone head to head at least over

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Speaker 1: one lap with Lewis Hamilton.

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Speaker 3: It's a pretty good starting point.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so, and great for social media content

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Speaker 4: on social media. But that's all the time we have

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