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Speaker 1: Busy with her.

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Speaker 2: We love this lady.

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Speaker 3: She's an absolute genius and she joins us now Julia Michaels,

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Speaker 3: how are you, love, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Good to you, guys. How are you? Oh God, we're

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Speaker 2: doing well. So excited. I'll tell you what. We have

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Speaker 2: just been grooving in the shudio here to your new hit,

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Speaker 2: Lie like this because you know what it's I.

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Speaker 3: Mean, your lyrics are unbelievable, there's a lot of balance.

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Speaker 3: You speak from the heart, but this is a dance

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Speaker 3: floor classic. We've been really getting into it. Congratulations, Thank

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Speaker 3: you so much.

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Speaker 2: I miss you guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we miss you. We love having you here when

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Speaker 1: you're in the country and coming into the studio. We're

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Speaker 1: all so fascinating. And we always talk about your writing

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Speaker 1: process as a songwriter, because you are one of the

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Speaker 1: greatest getting around for a song like this. You've often

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Speaker 1: said that things either just happen and they come to

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Speaker 1: you quickly, or there's a process involved. Was this one

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Speaker 1: of those that just flowed straight out?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it happened pretty quickly. I actually wrote this during

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Speaker 4: Quarantine and a socially since session. It was actually one

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Speaker 4: of like the first in person sessions that I got

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Speaker 4: to do, and it sort of spawned from a conversation

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Speaker 4: I had with my boyfriend and everything just sort of

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Speaker 4: flowed out from there.

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Speaker 3: Is that dangerous collaborating because that's how you found your boyfriend,

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Speaker 3: isn't it?

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Speaker 2: I mean just writing.

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Speaker 3: Is there a moment when you are writing a song

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Speaker 3: with someone, Julia, where you go, oh, wit up, I.

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Speaker 2: Actually really like this club?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I mean that did happen when I was in the studio,

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Speaker 4: but normally, when I'm in a relationship with someone, I'm

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Speaker 4: so hyper focused on that person that no one really like,

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Speaker 4: no one else really matters. Yeah, it hasn't happened since.

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Speaker 2: Again, are you the stalker as well? You? I go

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Speaker 2: to that point? Is that what you're saying, Jel?

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Speaker 4: I mean I did slide into his DMS was we started?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: But hang on, So you're telling me your boyfriend you

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Speaker 1: fell in love in the studio?

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Speaker 2: Is that right? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Well, we didn't fall in love in the study, but

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Speaker 4: we met and we wrote and then we started.

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Speaker 1: How exciting to think that you guys are in the

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Speaker 1: studio and you were kind of singing along and your

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Speaker 1: eyes were looking into each other's eyes, and nobody said anything,

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Speaker 1: but those hearts were beating louder than ever, and you thought,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, this could be something beautiful. And then

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Speaker 1: you wrote the song lie like this, so one of

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Speaker 1: you were lying, so it was lying.

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Speaker 4: Well, actually we wrote if the world was ending that day,

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Speaker 4: and then I wrote like this a year later.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's great, Thank god, thank god.

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Speaker 3: Have you got feedback, because, I mean, your life, this

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Speaker 3: is the thing. It's everyday life, and you're writing songs

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Speaker 3: about what's happening at that present moment. Have you had

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Speaker 3: any feedback from previous boyfriends or any or you know,

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Speaker 3: even friends that you've written songs about before.

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Speaker 2: What is that like? Do you like to get permission first?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 1: No, not because it could ruin a great song, couldn't it.

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Speaker 4: I figure though, here it when when it comes out,

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Speaker 4: it's called creative freedom.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Julie.

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Speaker 5: I was just gonna say, you're pretty good on Instagram.

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Speaker 5: I did see the other day you were pushing everyund

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Speaker 5: to watch is it the Social Dilemma that's on Netflix?

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Speaker 5: Never around the world is just loving it? Did you

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Speaker 5: find it quite confronting? Like I mean, I've walked away

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Speaker 5: from it going I'm going to shut down social media.

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Speaker 4: I was very horrified when I watched it.

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Speaker 2: What did you get? I think the part that I.

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Speaker 4: Think, the part that really scared me was when I

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Speaker 4: saw the little girl looking at herself in the mirror

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Speaker 4: and crying because she's altering her face to look like

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Speaker 4: you know, certain people, and you know, just feeling like

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Speaker 4: not good enough, and just seeing how much the suicide

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Speaker 4: rates and teenagers has risen. Yeah, I think that really

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Speaker 4: got to me. It was really sad. I don't turn

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Speaker 4: my notifications on. I've never done that. I actually think

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Speaker 4: that the pings give me like sensory overload. It actually

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Speaker 4: gives me anxiety more than it does make me want

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Speaker 4: to check my phone, So I you know, a lot

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Speaker 4: of those things that they've sort of told you not

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Speaker 4: to do. In the end, I was like very grateful

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Speaker 4: that I never really started to do those things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, social media is part of my job. It's how

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Speaker 4: I get to talk to my fans and get to

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Speaker 4: know my fans. That's sort of like the only con

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Speaker 4: to the social dilemma. The situation is like I like

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Speaker 4: being able to talk to my fans. I don't like

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Speaker 4: that I'm on it for like.

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Speaker 3: Hours a day, especially in twenty twenty you're talking about

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Speaker 3: writing and that's probably your outlet for you in isolation

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Speaker 3: Australia very much.

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Speaker 2: So we've been doing it pretty well over here. You know.

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Speaker 3: We're slowly starting to open up the whole of the

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Speaker 3: country and hopefully we'll be opening up borders soon.

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Speaker 2: But it's been tough for you guys over there.

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Speaker 3: Very important over the next month, Julia, you've got a

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Speaker 3: huge election coming up.

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Speaker 2: Do you get involved? You are you urging people to

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Speaker 2: enroll and vote?

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Speaker 4: I think people should. I mean, obviously, people should absolutely vote.

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Speaker 4: We're in a very interesting time and our presidential situations,

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Speaker 4: so yes, I would. I mean people absolutely one should vote.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna vote, and I just hope that people.

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Speaker 2: Vote the right.

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Speaker 1: It seems.

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Speaker 2: It's so good to see your face again. We're loving

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Speaker 2: the new single.

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Speaker 3: Lie like this leading to a new album and is

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Speaker 3: that what we're looking at, Julia?

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Speaker 4: Yes, this is does the start of my first album.

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Speaker 4: I have about a song or two left to right

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Speaker 4: and then and then we're gonna start getting into it

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Speaker 4: pretty heavily.

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Speaker 1: I love that. And you mentioned off a too. You've

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Speaker 1: locked in an over red room for twenty twenty one

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Speaker 1: when you visit Australia. We can't wait you.

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Speaker 2: We miss you, we need you here. Great to see

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Speaker 2: you're fins.

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Speaker 4: I miss you guys too so much.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Julia, thanks again, Thanks Julia, Thank you guys.

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Speaker 2: Have a good day, busy