Speaker 1: I get our team, welcome back to the show. Doctor
Speaker 1: Jeffer is here once a month or so. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: although although that remains to be seen with this episode.
Speaker 1: I mean, you've been all right so far. You've been
Speaker 1: all right so far, but no I'm being an idiot.
Speaker 1: Thank you again. We love having you. We get great
Speaker 1: feedback about you. My listeners love you, and you and
Speaker 1: I were just chatting before we started rolling about the
Speaker 1: circus that is American politics and living in the middle
Speaker 1: of it all.
Speaker 2: How is that for you?
Speaker 1: Has it?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: What are your just your thoughts on that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so asperience, and thank you for having me back
Speaker 2: with your audience. I love to talking to you guys.
Speaker 2: This has been rewarding and fun. And it's like if
Speaker 2: I can go off topic in sixth grade, you know,
Speaker 2: you know, into we call that middle school or junior
Speaker 2: high here, I had I had a pen pal from Australia.
Speaker 2: But now through the magic of Zoom, you're my new
Speaker 2: pen pal. We get to talk, so so thank you
Speaker 2: for being that. But how is it for us here?
Speaker 2: We're entertained, As I told you right before we started recording,
Speaker 2: We're entertained constantly. We no longer are watching movies and
Speaker 2: television series, uh, you know, to unwind. In the evening,
Speaker 2: we're watching the news because there's plenty of entertainment, just
Speaker 2: seeing what happened in the day. So that's that's what's
Speaker 2: going on there.
Speaker 1: Anything good that's coming out of it for you? Like
Speaker 1: I mean already I don't know. I feel like you know,
Speaker 1: in life, like in medicine, in politics, even in science
Speaker 1: in nutrition, like everyone lives or not everyone, but as
Speaker 1: people live in an echo China. Right, if you think
Speaker 1: Trump's an idiot, it doesn't matter what he says, he
Speaker 1: could say the most profound, brilliant thing of all the time.
Speaker 1: He's still a fucking idiot because I hide him. Or
Speaker 1: if you think he's the Messiah, well it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: what he says. He's right, Like what what's the good
Speaker 1: and bad? Like just on the surface to come out
Speaker 1: of it if anything.
Speaker 2: Well, first on the on the on the on the
Speaker 2: pushing the envelope on the medical side of things. His
Speaker 2: his involvement of Robert F. Kennedy, junior atop our Health
Speaker 2: and Human Services Department. Uh, we look to have him
Speaker 2: shake things up, you know, relook at things that you know,
Speaker 2: the government says was quote unquote proven, and they misuse
Speaker 2: that word all the time because what really is proven?
Speaker 2: So because we relearned new things all the time that
Speaker 2: reversal things. So I think shaking things up in the
Speaker 2: medical sense and opening up a lot of the cutting
Speaker 2: edge things I do to protect my patients, Yes, stem cells,
Speaker 2: you know, alternative cancer therapies, things like this. You know,
Speaker 2: it should be a choice, right, It's about a freedom
Speaker 2: of choosing, and hopefully that they will make it less,
Speaker 2: They will make those of us sound a little less.
Speaker 2: Those of us at the tip of the spear aren't
Speaker 2: as crazy as you think. So so that that I like, certainly,
Speaker 2: just like your body has sinescent zombie cells that are
Speaker 2: you know, leaking toxins and taking up resources, so does
Speaker 2: our government. It's bloated and wasteful, and you know, money
Speaker 2: and we're finding where money has gone for so many decades,
Speaker 2: and there's nothing wrong with cleaning it up, making it
Speaker 2: more efficient, saving money. We pay a lot in taxes.
Speaker 2: I don't know how that compares to where you are,
Speaker 2: but certainly you know there's a there's a resource utilization
Speaker 2: problem for when you get to a certain size population
Speaker 2: or as they say, too many rats in the cage,
Speaker 2: they start fading. So I think we have that here.
Speaker 2: I doubt you have that problem given your population per
Speaker 2: per square kilometer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think we have like one person per
Speaker 1: square kilometer. I mean, obviously most of the majority of
Speaker 1: US live in cities, but Australia is you will take
Speaker 1: about the same size as America with one fourteenth of
Speaker 1: the population. So you guys are I think three thirty
Speaker 1: where twenty five or twenty six something like that. So
Speaker 1: when when not even California. I think California is forty odd,
Speaker 1: isn't it?
Speaker 2: Probably the California is sort of like the fungal infected
Speaker 2: toe of a country. It's a beautiful place. It has
Speaker 2: wonderful views, mountains and beaches and all things in between,
Speaker 2: and all kinds of cool things, but it cannot adult.
Speaker 2: Do you use that term?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. Yeah, I feel from
Speaker 1: the outside looking in. I've been to California a few times,
Speaker 1: and geographically I think you mean, you know, geographically it's beautiful,
Speaker 1: but in terms of what's going on there as a
Speaker 1: shit vest, it seems.
Speaker 2: Like that's well said. It's the taxation locally. I don't
Speaker 2: know how it is in Australia, but we have a
Speaker 2: federal tax, and then we have state and local taxes,
Speaker 2: and the state tax in California can exceed twelve percent.
Speaker 2: So if you're doing a federal tax of thirty eight percent,
Speaker 2: you're already at half your earned money is tax So
Speaker 2: in Nevada, where I live, there is no state tax.
Speaker 2: Why because we have other sources of revenues, you know,
Speaker 2: taxes on gambling and things, so we are a little
Speaker 2: bit higher. Sales tax A few are the things that
Speaker 2: make up for that. But you know, a lot of
Speaker 2: people have moved from California to Nevada for that for
Speaker 2: that reason, and I.
Speaker 1: Think about a million people have moved to Austin, Texas
Speaker 1: to live with Joe Rogan.
Speaker 2: Joe and Elon and Tim Ferriss and many others.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, So I want to be
Speaker 1: selfish today. I want to ask you some questions. I
Speaker 1: basically want a free consult. Let's be honest, no worries. Yeah. So,
Speaker 1: so my PhD is all around understanding how other people think,
Speaker 1: theory of mind, understanding how people think about me, met
Speaker 1: o perception, and so I'm always doing a deep dive
Speaker 1: in how people think and why they think the way
Speaker 1: they do and blah blah blah. And I'm fascinated with
Speaker 1: the brain more broadly. But for me at sixty one, obviously,
Speaker 1: I think a lot about how do I keep what
Speaker 1: I've got working optimally for as long as I can. So,
Speaker 1: I mean it's you can't be objective about yourself obviously,
Speaker 1: but I feel like Doc. I feel like because I've
Speaker 1: been using my brain, probably in the last ten years
Speaker 1: more than any particular decade of my life, I feel
Speaker 1: like it's better than it was, which it may be isn't,
Speaker 1: but certainly my ability to think, clearly, focus, concentrate, produce
Speaker 1: good work, be creative, communicate, it definitely hasn't gone backwards.
Speaker 1: What can I do, slash We do to keep our
Speaker 1: brain and cognition working in somewhere near optimal state for
Speaker 1: whatever our potential is I mean, yeah, that's the longest
Speaker 1: question of all time. Steps down off soapbox.
Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, I got you, and I just read a
Speaker 2: study on this yesterday. It reinforced what I would have said,
Speaker 2: and I will see now that I'm going to give
Speaker 2: you the two most powerful, most influential things to preserve
Speaker 2: your brain function that you are doing and you should
Speaker 2: continue doing, and we should all do, is to move
Speaker 2: slash exercise and to sleep restoratively. And that is different
Speaker 2: for every person. Let's break those down, if you'll allow so,
Speaker 2: you could tell me more about exercise. But it turns
Speaker 2: out that it's the more intense exercise that gives us
Speaker 2: better release of these small signaling molecules, the small peptides
Speaker 2: that the muscles release when they're crying out at the
Speaker 2: end of a workout. Those are called myo kinds. Myof
Speaker 2: muscle kinds is a nice word for a peptide that
Speaker 2: likes to do something or likes to go somewhere and
Speaker 2: has a signal the brain benefits significantly. So this is
Speaker 2: working out to failure. You know, instead of three reps
Speaker 2: of ten for your biceps, you should do one rep, sorry,
Speaker 2: one set to failure. It's in that last rep or
Speaker 2: two where you get most of the work. That's really
Speaker 2: where you grow at. So I think we need to
Speaker 2: change how we look at exercise and do more of this.
Speaker 2: If if we do cardiovascular it should be more of
Speaker 2: the high intensity interval type stuff. The heart does better
Speaker 2: with that. And then and back to the sleep. Restorative
Speaker 2: sleep might be a certain amount of time. It might
Speaker 2: be learning how to have an environment so that you
Speaker 2: get more out of that cellular repair, like a hibernating bear.
Speaker 2: So you know, you need a cold room. You can
Speaker 2: snuggle up in the sheets and the blankets, but you
Speaker 2: should have cold on your you know, your face should
Speaker 2: be cold, your body should be slightly you know cold
Speaker 2: there through that purpose, it should be very dark. There
Speaker 2: should be a wind down at night, whether you turn
Speaker 2: off screens, where blue blocker glasses or you know, do
Speaker 2: some breathing and something maybe some meditation or Yoga's just
Speaker 2: something braf just to turn off the brain. And I
Speaker 2: like to use a sleep a sleep app or some
Speaker 2: wearable tech because we have different brain wave forms and
Speaker 2: stages of sleep, and you could sleep eight hours and
Speaker 2: not get deep sleep. So you really need to take action,
Speaker 2: and it's very simple action, like none of these things
Speaker 2: cost anything. I'm a huge fan of a peptide at
Speaker 2: nighttime called melatonin melotonin. You say, but that's just an
Speaker 2: over the counter supplement. Yes, but it's a peptide. It's
Speaker 2: a hormone that we make and we don't make much
Speaker 2: of after puberty. Do you ever try to wake a
Speaker 2: teenager out of a platonic it's time for school? Wake up? Well,
Speaker 2: you know we've got some recast. Yeah, you've got you know,
Speaker 2: drool is puddling on the pillow, and they're just absolutely
Speaker 2: you know, in a deep anesthesia. So why because they
Speaker 2: this melatonin makes them sleep so deeply, and if you
Speaker 2: sleep deep, you'll have more dreams. They'll be there'll be
Speaker 2: deeper dreams, and that's usually stuff your brain wants to
Speaker 2: get off. It's its chest, so to speak. And some
Speaker 2: of them could be good, some of them cannot be good,
Speaker 2: but they need to come out. And taking that melatonin
Speaker 2: at nighttime a dissolvable is bast in my mind, since
Speaker 2: it's a peptide. If you swallow a pep ted, it
Speaker 2: might as well just be a protein supplement because you
Speaker 2: digested it to immuno acids. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Really, that's interesting. And I know this, sorry, I know
Speaker 1: there's no set prescription, but like, how many milligrams give
Speaker 1: or take with the average person need of melatonin?
Speaker 2: Well us old guys grouping us together, Craig, because I'm
Speaker 2: right behind you age wise, steady on it. So yeah,
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty, one hundred and fifty five. So
Speaker 2: the I take twelve milligrams why because I happen to
Speaker 2: like this, this one I get off Amazon. It cost
Speaker 2: me ten dollars US for three hundred tablets, so I
Speaker 2: figure I'm getting a good deal there.
Speaker 1: Really.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's and I don't make any so it's a desirable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, right, and okay, wow, I didn't even
Speaker 1: know that you could get dissolvable. I only saying the
Speaker 1: tablets all the appields.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you don't need to start at twelve miligrams.
Speaker 2: They make a three milligram five ten, you know, start
Speaker 2: out where you want to start out. I have some
Speaker 2: patients that take it and they say, wow, I took
Speaker 2: I took ten miligrams. I feel groggy in the morning.
Speaker 2: I said, Okay, we either backed up on the dose
Speaker 2: or you take it earlier in the evening, so we
Speaker 2: can play around with that. So your body needs that
Speaker 2: melatonin because we need to have that cellular repair. The
Speaker 2: brain does it too, The entire body does it. We
Speaker 2: repair our DNA, we make new proteins. Plants do this too.
Speaker 2: Plants have a light phase in a dark phase. They
Speaker 2: do photosynthesis during the day, and our photosynthesis is eating
Speaker 2: food and metabolizing it, and then they do a whole
Speaker 2: dark phase repair. We need that dark phase repair. We
Speaker 2: are circadian animals. We respond to the to the solar
Speaker 2: and and some of us respond to lunar cycles, right,
Speaker 2: mostly women, but men probably have some vestige of that.
Speaker 2: I just not sure what it is.
Speaker 1: I'm just searching. I think melatonin. Yeah, it's not even
Speaker 1: This is how restricted Australia is. Doc In Australia, melatonin
Speaker 1: is not available over the counter. You can get low
Speaker 1: dose like two milligram, right, but only for people over
Speaker 1: fifty five. Like Australia, you can't get anything. It's like
Speaker 1: you need a prescription for fucking milk over here, like everything.
Speaker 1: It is the most lockdown fucking country in the world
Speaker 1: with everything. Yeah yeah, yeah, so yeah, you need a
Speaker 1: prescription in Australia house. Is that Why do you think
Speaker 1: that is? Like? Is that there's no need for that?
Speaker 2: Right? And I couldn't speak to why it is there.
Speaker 2: I know we have restrictions on things here because someone
Speaker 2: has an economic interest in that restriction, you know, a
Speaker 2: pharmaceutical company or what have you. Yeah, what about this
Speaker 2: is where are we really free? Are we really free
Speaker 2: to choose?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, Well let's not even go back over COVID.
Speaker 1: But you used to.
Speaker 3: I think we touched on it briefly. You should have
Speaker 3: been in Australia. It was crazy, crazy like that. Anyway,
Speaker 3: I wanted to ask you, thank you, thank you for that.
Speaker 3: You mentioned blue blocker glasses.
Speaker 1: I kind of know what they are, but I don't
Speaker 1: totally know what they are. What are they?
Speaker 2: They block out some of the some of the wavelengths
Speaker 2: of light. Usually usually it's the opposite of blue, so
Speaker 2: it's like some of the reds or oranges that stimulate
Speaker 2: the retinet. I think it's seeing the sun because our
Speaker 2: body thinks it's still in daytime. We're still releasing courtisol,
Speaker 2: the daytime stress hormone, when we should be stopping the
Speaker 2: court is all and taking our nighttime hormone response, the
Speaker 2: dark phase hormone, the melatonin. So it helps the body
Speaker 2: not be tricked by all the screens we watch, the
Speaker 2: probably some of the fluorescent lighting and things like that
Speaker 2: that are artificially the sun.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, in kind of the fitness industry in Australia
Speaker 1: and I'm sure in America and in general chat around
Speaker 1: you know, getting in shape and exercise physiology and blah
Speaker 1: blah blah, people talk a lot about biological age, right,
Speaker 1: and there are a bunch of a bunch of protocols
Speaker 1: that allegedly give a bioage score. I don't think particularly,
Speaker 1: I just want your thoughts on that. Is it possible
Speaker 1: to get an indication of one's biological age? Can head
Speaker 1: to you know, normative data, the all the norm you
Speaker 1: know where we got well, Craig sixty one chronologically, but
Speaker 1: he's got similar physiology to a forty eight year old
Speaker 1: for these reasons, and we did these tests and we
Speaker 1: compare these results. How insightful and valuable and perhaps accurate
Speaker 1: or inaccurate? Do you think that is?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we should unpack this because it actually is a
Speaker 2: great topic. And let's before I answer that, let's rewind
Speaker 2: and explain it. We all age on our calendar on
Speaker 2: our birthday, we know how many years we've been on
Speaker 2: the planet, right, we know that our you know, born
Speaker 2: on date, you know when you turn fifty to sixty.
Speaker 2: But when you start to get into later years, how
Speaker 2: you've lived, how healthy you've been. Generally speaking, you might
Speaker 2: look at two seventy year olds and maybe look like
Speaker 2: if you guess their age, one might look eighty, one
Speaker 2: might look fifty, yes, And the eighty year old might
Speaker 2: be very sedentary lifestyle, may have you know, consume too
Speaker 2: much alcohol and eight preserved food and you know, not
Speaker 2: exercise all those things, whereas the younger looking one might
Speaker 2: have played tennis every day and gone for runs and
Speaker 2: you know eight you know, very organic and healthy foods
Speaker 2: and fasted sometimes and did all the work and it.
Speaker 2: You know, if you look at a couple twenty five
Speaker 2: year olds, you probably wouldn't tell difference, but by the
Speaker 2: time you get sixty seventy, you start to see that difference.
Speaker 2: And those two people are the same age, but physiologically
Speaker 2: slash biologically their cells. If you were to guess the
Speaker 2: age of their cells, you would say, oh, this one's fifty,
Speaker 2: This one's eighty, So there are tests for that. As
Speaker 2: you alluded to, there are a couple different genres of tests.
Speaker 2: One looks at things happening inside the cell, a biological
Speaker 2: age test of cell markers. You can look at changes
Speaker 2: to DNA called methylation, which are so accumulates these barnacles
Speaker 2: on the DNA. And you can look at telomere length,
Speaker 2: which are these you know, loose strands at the end
Speaker 2: of the DNA then indicate how many times the cells
Speaker 2: have divided and what have you. And that's an intracellular measure.
Speaker 2: And they have these sort of you know, you take
Speaker 2: a few of these measures and you you know, you
Speaker 2: weight them in some in some statistical way, and you
Speaker 2: come up with a relative age, meaning you're these patterns
Speaker 2: what we see inside your cells match with a healthy
Speaker 2: forty year old. We've looked at one thousand forty year
Speaker 2: olds and you missed for sixty year old look like
Speaker 2: a forty year old. So they're compared to these sort
Speaker 2: of large data sets, if you will, which any good
Speaker 2: pattern recognition system will, which by the way, is the
Speaker 2: entire foundation of AI, so AI will have to roll. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The other set of tests look at changes in the bloodstream,
Speaker 2: and they look at how antibodies collect different types of
Speaker 2: sugar molecules through a pot process called glycostelation. And these
Speaker 2: are glcnts. They're you know, like like the word glucose,
Speaker 2: you hear gluck or glycan. These are sugar. So your
Speaker 2: antibodies collect sugars in a known pattern. That's compared to
Speaker 2: a data set. And we have very big data sets
Speaker 2: on those two and we had we had a guest
Speaker 2: here recently who who is involved in one of those tests,
Speaker 2: and they and I said, hey, you know, Americans are
Speaker 2: so unhealthy. How do you compare the data sets in
Speaker 2: Europe for America? And they said, Europeans look healthier physiologically,
Speaker 2: Like if you took the average seven year old European
Speaker 2: compared to the seven year American, the Europeans are healthier
Speaker 2: living because they have more restricted preservatives, more restricted red dyes,
Speaker 2: and all these things which now in America, we're trying
Speaker 2: to catch up with the rest of the intelligent world,
Speaker 2: and back to our government, they're helping. We hope that
Speaker 2: new shakeup helps us get there.
Speaker 1: Do you think the mic America healthy guy RFKI kind
Speaker 1: of driven? Is that a ZIV do you think that's real?
Speaker 1: It seems real, like, hey, seem's very very genuine. I
Speaker 1: mean again, And there are people coming out gown he's
Speaker 1: a fucking idiot, And then there are other people going
Speaker 1: he's Jesus, like, thank god he's here.
Speaker 2: I don't think he's an idiot. I don't think he's
Speaker 2: also Messiah material. But I think that we needed to
Speaker 2: shake up. We need to relook at data. We need
Speaker 2: to look at data more intelligently. There's so much published
Speaker 2: papers in medicine that are fifty years old that we
Speaker 2: rely on that we were crap or were the best
Speaker 2: at the time. But now we have new, better data,
Speaker 2: we might change our mind on things like the whole
Speaker 2: thing with women and receiving hormone replacement. You know there
Speaker 2: was this big risk of breast cancer. Turns out we
Speaker 2: were on yes. Yes, So we need to shake it
Speaker 2: up and look at things. I think this is going
Speaker 2: to be good. I think we are going to become healthier.
Speaker 2: We need to change what's in our food and in
Speaker 2: our water and give people a choice. You can still,
Speaker 2: like you said, my boss likes McDonald's. Do you have
Speaker 2: McDonald's in Australia?
Speaker 1: Do we have McDonald's in the woods.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well yes, and then they end up at McDonald's.
Speaker 2: So so you know, you know, President Trump likes the
Speaker 2: likes as McDonald's meal, right, So, and Robert F. Kennedy says,
Speaker 2: you should have that choice. But the problem is the
Speaker 2: cost of healthcare in America is a growing percentage of
Speaker 2: the of the gross national product, and it's hard to
Speaker 2: you know, offer that to people when what's happening is
Speaker 2: it's becoming so watered down and horrible because we can't
Speaker 2: afford it. And one of the reasons is we're poisoning
Speaker 2: people by our food. We're actually causing the problem. So
Speaker 2: first of all, we need to stop causing the problem preventively.
Speaker 2: That's going to save us tons of money downstream and
Speaker 2: then be able to help people with real problems who
Speaker 2: didn't who didn't deserve it, or wasn't self influted or government.
Speaker 1: And I'm just looking here the leading causes of death
Speaker 1: in the US, UH one hot disease to cancer. What
Speaker 1: what's your guess for three trauma medical eras?
Speaker 2: I okay, that's that's check.
Speaker 1: That's check jp T.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's that's I'm sure there's a
Speaker 2: statistic and that's not incorrect. But you know, here, here's
Speaker 2: what I want to say about that. Yeah, what's happened
Speaker 2: in America because there's so there's so few health dollars
Speaker 2: per patient. Is that a typical doctor visit from an
Speaker 2: institutionalized doctor meetings, someone getting paid by the government or
Speaker 2: a health plan which is basically government at the end
Speaker 2: of the day has five or ten with the patient.
Speaker 2: So they're going to miss stuff. So that's the error.
Speaker 2: So when I see a new consultation like today this morning.
Speaker 2: By the way, here it's still it's still our Thursday.
Speaker 2: So this Thursday morning, I saw a consultation for someone
Speaker 2: with a spine problem. Because it's historically, I still do
Speaker 2: that it was a ninety minute encounter. I don't want
Speaker 2: to miss anything, so I now don't I don't you know,
Speaker 2: go through the insurance side of things, because they don't
Speaker 2: ensure anything. So you know, medical errors happen because you
Speaker 2: don't ask enough questions, you don't spend enough time, you
Speaker 2: don't listen to the patient, and you prescribe too much,
Speaker 2: prescribe too many medications, or do surgery too early. So
Speaker 2: maybe I do believe with that stat I do see
Speaker 2: a lot of that. I'm very critical of those kool
Speaker 2: aid drinking, tail wagging the dog physicians, and there's so
Speaker 2: many of them now and it's just disgusting.
Speaker 1: So if chronological iiging is the constant and biological iges
Speaker 1: are variable, that we can influence everybody's now everybody's now
Speaker 1: sitting up and I know we've gone through a bit,
Speaker 1: but maybe some stuff that we haven't talked about.
Speaker 4: But.
Speaker 1: So you know, and health span and lifespan the relationship
Speaker 1: between that, and you know they're in Australia anyway. There
Speaker 1: are people living longer but not healthier, that is for sure, right,
Speaker 1: And you're right there are people who there are people
Speaker 1: who are seventy who look fifty and people who are
Speaker 1: seventy who look like they're going to die on Tuesday. Right,
Speaker 1: So it's it's that there's not necessarily a parallel between
Speaker 1: biological and chronological aging. So what can we do? What
Speaker 1: can we do that's not going to cost a million bucks?
Speaker 1: That are simple things that I mean you've already mentioned.
Speaker 1: So we're going to go through the big ones. Exercise, food, lifestyle, sleep, Right,
Speaker 1: is there do you want to be more specific in
Speaker 1: that or are there other things as well that we're
Speaker 1: not thinking about.
Speaker 2: We can Yeah, So when I sit down, when I
Speaker 2: sit down with an anti aging client for the first time,
Speaker 2: we talk about, okay, diet, what are you eating, what
Speaker 2: are you eating it? What are your macro breakdown? How
Speaker 2: much protein? Is it good protein? We look at you know,
Speaker 2: their phyto nutrients, fruits and vegetables. We look at their biome.
Speaker 2: Are you getting robiotics? We look at supplementation for gaps
Speaker 2: in the diet. Now in Australia, it sounds like you
Speaker 2: have some restrictions and what you can get in the
Speaker 2: supplement side of things, But I personally take a pretty
Speaker 2: good amount of supplements. I don't know if I've ever
Speaker 2: showed this to you. This is my prepackaged day pack
Speaker 2: of supplements for lunch, I mean with lunch, not for lunch,
Speaker 2: and I take quite a few because I'm just not
Speaker 2: getting these in my diet right. This is this is
Speaker 2: making up. This is making up for that. And then
Speaker 2: we look at their exercise are you are you exercising,
Speaker 2: are you getting the right exercise? Is it effective? What's
Speaker 2: your body composition? Do we need to change something? Do
Speaker 2: you need peptides. Do you need help with weight loss?
Speaker 2: You know, we love the GLP one agonists for that.
Speaker 2: It's a peptide which is also known here in the
Speaker 2: States as ozebic or some glue tide or other one
Speaker 2: of trzeppetide, monduro or or what gov okay, and there
Speaker 2: are other ones in Europe. They have read a true
Speaker 2: tide which we should have soon. And then we look
Speaker 2: at sleep. As I noticed and we mentioned that earlier.
Speaker 2: How do you go about it? What's your ritual? What's
Speaker 2: your wearable tech? Do you know your heart rate variability?
Speaker 2: Do you know your VIA two max? How long can
Speaker 2: you how many pull ups can you do? How long
Speaker 2: can you hang from a chin up?
Speaker 1: Bard?
Speaker 2: You know, maybe we look at stress, mental stress, neurostress.
Speaker 2: You know, what steps are you taking if you if
Speaker 2: you if you're a workaholic, you know, uh, and you
Speaker 2: need to do that. What steps are you taking to recover?
Speaker 2: To rest your brain? The brain needs rest just like
Speaker 2: a muscle. And then we look at you know, even
Speaker 2: even things such as social interactions. You are you alone?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: You know who's in your life? How is that? And
Speaker 2: and then we were gone from there. You know, if
Speaker 2: we're not moving the needle forward. Because we have patients
Speaker 2: we've looked at their biological age and it was older
Speaker 2: than their actual calendar age, and we have made changes
Speaker 2: and moved that biological age because you can measure again
Speaker 2: and moved it down. So you, like you said, it
Speaker 2: is inducible, it is movable. That's called epigenetics, right, because
Speaker 2: you're not changing genetics, we're changing what genes are called upon.
Speaker 2: That's the field of epigenetics. Some people we we add
Speaker 2: regenerative medicine. We had stem cell based products and things
Speaker 2: to help slow and suppress their inflammatory burden. Because remember,
Speaker 2: aging is inflament. Is inflament is chronic inflammation accumulated. We're inflammaging.
Speaker 1: I was talking yesterday doctor a BLI like cole them
Speaker 1: I behead likes a BLI like, yeah, I want you
Speaker 1: to stop waving that into your uh, you know, your conversations. Bloke, Yes,
Speaker 1: I was talking about I was doing it. Take note.
Speaker 1: So I was talking to a bloke who has a
Speaker 1: really good job in that it pays him lots to do,
Speaker 1: but he hates it, right, he hates it. So not
Speaker 1: a not a good job in a way, A good
Speaker 1: job in a way, A terrible job. And we were
Speaker 1: and I wasn't consulting him. We were just having a
Speaker 1: coffee and he said, don't. He was asking me about
Speaker 1: you know, how burnt out I get because I work
Speaker 1: a lot, a lot, a lot, but none of my
Speaker 1: like right now I'm working. There's nothing about this experience
Speaker 1: that I'm having that to me feels like work, because
Speaker 1: this is this is genuinely fun. You're interesting. I like you,
Speaker 1: I'm learning. There's nothing negative about this for me. And
Speaker 1: most of the things, like the hardest thing that I do,
Speaker 1: which is not that hard, has just research that requires
Speaker 1: fair bit of cognitive load, and you know, all our
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, but the impact because we spend so
Speaker 1: much of our life working. You know, in corporate they
Speaker 1: talk about work life balance. When I'm presenting, I talk
Speaker 1: about work impact. So not necessarily how many hours you
Speaker 1: do versus how many hours you don't do. That kind
Speaker 1: of seesaw balance thing, but rather like you might have
Speaker 1: a job that's only twenty hours a week, but it's
Speaker 1: killing you versus someone who does sixty hours a week,
Speaker 1: and it's actually going to make you live longer because
Speaker 1: it just is such a positive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you. A million times over it.
Speaker 2: By the way, I enjoy this too. This is fun
Speaker 2: for me. I'm going to say this, You're probably now
Speaker 2: my favorite bloke in Australia. How I do thank you?
Speaker 2: I mean thank you. I like you Jackman. I really
Speaker 2: like you Jackman. But I don't know him, so I
Speaker 2: know you. So I'm going to say you're the favorite
Speaker 2: bloke I know.
Speaker 1: Thanks dude, No, I like it. Yeah, so have all
Speaker 1: the blokes that you know. I'm one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you've You've risen to the top quite quickly,
Speaker 2: I might say. But I agree with you. I enjoyed
Speaker 2: this too, and and I get it. Some people have these,
Speaker 2: you know, horrible jobs and but it pays them well
Speaker 2: and they need to do it. They've got a family whatever,
Speaker 2: so they they there are there are ways to, you know,
Speaker 2: play around there. And my one of my favorite books
Speaker 2: do you read? Yeah, Okay, I don't, But my favorite
Speaker 2: book is.
Speaker 1: If I'm honest, I listen more than our raid Now yeah.
Speaker 2: The same same. Yeah, I'm lazy. So my one of
Speaker 2: my favorite ones is The four Hour work Week by
Speaker 2: Tim Ferris. Tim Ferris, Yes, automating and outsourcing some of
Speaker 2: your job, Yes, the extent you can, and so you're
Speaker 2: at least you could find ways to be a little
Speaker 2: less miserable or make it fun or or what have you. So,
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're stuck in it and you're not
Speaker 2: looking to improve upon it, then that's that's just a
Speaker 2: behavioral You know, you got some and shoes on. You've
Speaker 2: got to do something about it. Yeah, but you know
Speaker 2: you ask why do you hate it? Well, I hate
Speaker 2: my boss. I like what I do. I hate it
Speaker 2: may be something like that, a toxic people around me,
Speaker 2: or I just I feel horrible. You know, I'm selling
Speaker 2: poison or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, we make nuclear bombs. You know,
Speaker 2: it just doesn't feel good.
Speaker 1: It doesn't fit with my moral compass, but it pays well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thanks thanks mister Oppenheimer. The cafes through there, Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: it's uh Like one of the things I wanted to
Speaker 1: chat to you about today is the the reluctance that
Speaker 1: that some people in you know, science and medicine and
Speaker 1: a million fields for that matter, but have to the
Speaker 1: reluctance They have to say, oh I was wrong or
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like since I started in exercise science
Speaker 1: forty years ago, I've changed my mind about half of
Speaker 1: things right. It's like there were so many things I
Speaker 1: used to think or do or teach or advocate that
Speaker 1: I don't anymore, and so many things I thought I
Speaker 1: had right that I had wrong. So now even when
Speaker 1: someone says to me, you know, what do you think
Speaker 1: about this or that? Or what's your thoughts or beliefs,
Speaker 1: or I go, look, this is what I think about that,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. But this is what I think
Speaker 1: and why. But I don't have absolute evidence on that
Speaker 1: or I think this, but I could be wrong, So
Speaker 1: stand by because I've been wrong a lot. Why are
Speaker 1: people so reluctant in some spaces to go fuck? I
Speaker 1: don't know? Or actually I thought this, but then I
Speaker 1: spoke to Jeff, and now I think that.
Speaker 2: I think it's hard to some people cannot find they're
Speaker 2: wrong in their and their opinion or their actions because
Speaker 2: it's a painful hit to their ego. I don't want
Speaker 2: to sound like Sigwyn Freud, but I think I just yeah,
Speaker 2: I think it's hard to say that. And you you
Speaker 2: show yourself. And one of the reasons I think we
Speaker 2: get along and you're so affable is is you know
Speaker 2: you don't you don't you don't take yourself so seriously
Speaker 2: that you have to be right about everything, and that
Speaker 2: that makes you the kind of person you want to
Speaker 2: talk to and hang out with, and and and so, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, it's hard, and I appreciate that you can
Speaker 2: change your mind. And and I think when I when
Speaker 2: I went into regenerative medicine, I had to sort of
Speaker 2: relearn a whole set of things that were forced upon
Speaker 2: me in medical school, in residency. And those things may
Speaker 2: have been right at one time, but they're not right anymore. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well they were believed to be right, but now
Speaker 1: we you know, it's like the food pyramid. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, men could never run a four minute mile,
Speaker 1: that's science. It's like, well that didn't work out, you know,
Speaker 1: or yeah, I don't, I don't know. I just think
Speaker 1: it's I think it's also needing to be right. That's
Speaker 1: got to be fucking exhausting, doesn't it.
Speaker 2: It probably does, And I would admit I probably had
Speaker 2: periods of that, and it doesn't You can end up lonely. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's one way to meet people not want to hang
Speaker 2: out with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And isn't it interesting like that people don't understand
Speaker 1: how socially repellent that is, you know, And also it's like, dude,
Speaker 1: do you have no awareness like this is even though
Speaker 1: you might think that, maybe just keep that to yourself
Speaker 1: for a minute. All right, let's talk about something totally different.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about hot and cold for the body. Like
Speaker 1: what are your like, cry oh, cold showers, fucking ice bars, saunas, like,
Speaker 1: tell us about that stuff and where you sit with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I'm a huge fan of ormesis and I
Speaker 2: don't know if we've talked about that together previously, but
Speaker 2: for those listeners, hormesis is a slight stress on the body,
Speaker 2: and it sells to build resilience in the long run.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Examples. Examples would be hot sauna, cold plunge, high intense exercise, fasting,
Speaker 2: interritten fasting, and actual structural fast one day, three day,
Speaker 2: five day, what have you. Some people might consider low
Speaker 2: oxygen like high altitude or hormesis as well. So I'm
Speaker 2: a big fan of hormesis. I love hot sauna. I
Speaker 2: don't dislove cold plunges. I just find them cold.
Speaker 4: Yeah, wow, you've done your research. Yeah, yeah, that's why
Speaker 4: we buy you the big box exactly, which sauna stain
Speaker 4: or infrared or something else.
Speaker 2: So listen. I'm a fan of infrared or red light
Speaker 2: therapy for anti inflammation, but the infrared SNAs don't get
Speaker 2: hot enough. So I like a traditional, you know, finish
Speaker 2: style sauna, which is usually a rye. You know, it's
Speaker 2: usually electric heater with the rocks. It doesn't have to
Speaker 2: be steam. It could be steam or not. I don't
Speaker 2: think it matters. But it has to get up to
Speaker 2: one hundred and seventy five degrees plus fahrenheit. I don't
Speaker 2: know what that is in uh in intelligent world metrics,
Speaker 2: but the and you're supposed to be in there for
Speaker 2: you know, twenty twenty five minutes. You work up to
Speaker 2: that five days a week, and then the health benefits
Speaker 2: are amazing. So I'm a big fan of that. Uh.
Speaker 2: We're thinking about putting one in the house as part
Speaker 2: of a remodel. Right now. I have to go to
Speaker 2: the the sports club, the gym to do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just figuring out what one's seventy five in
Speaker 1: celsius is Fucking hell, that's hot. Seventy nine point four Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's hot, dude, That's that's wow.
Speaker 2: That's cooking a chicken hot well, and I can do
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five minutes. I don't bring you know, I
Speaker 2: don't bring my phone and my cell phone with me
Speaker 2: because it tends to go on the fritz when I
Speaker 2: get in there. But my Apple Watch will work, so
Speaker 2: I can track the time on my Apple Watch, and
Speaker 2: I'll it's since you. I'll track my heart rate and
Speaker 2: if I get up to one one hundred and forty
Speaker 2: five beats per minute, that's usually twenty twenty five minutes.
Speaker 2: Because it's a cardiov asked to workout, you'd be and heat.
Speaker 2: And the reason the reason for that is do you
Speaker 2: know why?
Speaker 1: Well, because why it's a cardiovascular workout. Yeah, let me
Speaker 1: have a guess. Okay, cardiac drift because blood volume is
Speaker 1: decreasing your sweating, so your heart's got to beat faster
Speaker 1: to deliver the same amount of oxygen blah. So you've
Speaker 1: got yeah, less blood volume.
Speaker 4: Do it.
Speaker 1: And you're trying to get that around the body.
Speaker 2: The body's trying to cool off your eyes. It's and
Speaker 2: to do it. You know, you you've got a sweat,
Speaker 2: so it has to over the blood to the superficial
Speaker 2: small arteries and capillaries in the skin. Just like an
Speaker 2: elephant cools through its ears by you're driving blood through
Speaker 2: blood flowing because you can't cool fast enough. The heart
Speaker 2: has to beat that blood, yeah right, many more times
Speaker 2: per minute through your skin so it can get to
Speaker 2: the surface and you can sweat. So it's a it's
Speaker 2: a it's a metabolgic demand for that purpose of your heart.
Speaker 2: Your has to work harder. You're right, good job.
Speaker 1: What's a kind of and again this is not a
Speaker 1: personal prescription anyone, but broadly speaking, doc a bit of
Speaker 1: a So if I want to start doing sauna, what
Speaker 1: would be a stepping off point for me? Like seven days,
Speaker 1: three days, two minutes, twenty minutes give us the way
Speaker 1: when I start.
Speaker 2: I like to lock in the day the day ritual.
Speaker 2: So if you say I'm going to do five days
Speaker 2: a week Monday through Friday, but I'm going to start
Speaker 2: out with ten minutes, and maybe I'll start out at
Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty five and then maybe each each
Speaker 2: day you add a degree or a minute. Yeah, some progress,
Speaker 2: so so that after a few weeks you can you
Speaker 2: can get to where you need to go. And I
Speaker 2: like to do it in the evening. Then take a
Speaker 2: nice cool shower to cool down. Man, you will sleep better.
Speaker 2: You talk about more restorative sleep. That's a that's a
Speaker 2: that's been huge for me.
Speaker 1: So speaking of cooling down at the other end of
Speaker 1: the temperature spectrum, what what's what's your advice or thoughts
Speaker 1: around the different forms of cold therapy.
Speaker 2: So I don't have that data because I'm I'm I'm not.
Speaker 2: I don't have the aptitude for the cold. So I know,
Speaker 2: I know some people that do contrast therapy to do
Speaker 2: heat than cold. They go from the hasana to the
Speaker 2: cold lunge. So I don't know the metrics. Uh. You know,
Speaker 2: there are a lot of products now you can buy
Speaker 2: called chillers where you can connect it to your own
Speaker 2: bath and create that, or you can buy a whole
Speaker 2: separate device that does it. So I don't know the
Speaker 2: metrics for that. I don't know the right temperatures. I
Speaker 2: don't know how long to be in there. But I
Speaker 2: know that the people I follow that do the deep dives,
Speaker 2: like Huberman and Ronda Patrick, I'm sure I would. That's
Speaker 2: where I would go and research it and listen to
Speaker 2: their podcasts on it.
Speaker 1: You know what's funny is literally I just wrote on
Speaker 1: my pad in front of me, Ronda Patrick, and then
Speaker 1: seven seconds of you went she talks about hate shot proteins.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about heat shock proteins.
Speaker 1: They're my favorite stought. Yeah cool, So tell she talks
Speaker 1: about that in relations, sonar and a bunch of other things.
Speaker 1: So tell us what that means and how that relates
Speaker 1: to us.
Speaker 2: So can I can I speak to evolution or is that?
Speaker 2: Is that a no? Where you taught evolution and in Australia?
Speaker 1: Okay, well we all know that God created the world
Speaker 1: in seven days, but nonetheless we'll I have a look
Speaker 1: at just for this one conversation.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean it was a long seven days. I
Speaker 2: think the time was a less.
Speaker 1: So if you look at.
Speaker 2: Heat shock protein, particularly like heat shock protein seventy because
Speaker 2: they're more than one heatchock protein, and you go down
Speaker 2: into the more primitive species, including bacteria, you'll find that
Speaker 2: heat chock protein is preserved. The genes that code that
Speaker 2: protein are the same for plants, for bacteria, fish, humans, mice, everybody,
Speaker 2: we all have that same he It's a primitive survival protein.
Speaker 2: And when you take a bacteria and you expose it
Speaker 2: to heat, it releases this in an attempt to survive.
Speaker 2: It's a restorative protein. So we see if you go
Speaker 2: into why is hot sun and healthy because it makes
Speaker 2: you reallyase heat chok proteins. So Ronda Patrick is absolutely right.
Speaker 2: And you know we studied this. It was in our
Speaker 2: college classes in biochemistry. You take bacteria. You see if
Speaker 2: you can cause mutations, and you you expose some heat,
Speaker 2: you release these proteins. Heat shock protein is amazing. Now
Speaker 2: when we do some of the regenitive therapies here in
Speaker 2: the office, stem cell based or stem cell derived signaling
Speaker 2: factors called exosomes, they're chock full of heat chock protein.
Speaker 2: You find it in the amniotic fluid. It is this,
Speaker 2: it is. It is not just because it's released by heat.
Speaker 2: It is a restorative, youthful, survival protein. We love those.
Speaker 2: That's what you give off when you have hormesis. Cold
Speaker 2: plunge gives off heat chok protein too. Yes, so you
Speaker 2: exciting stuff. Now you might say, well, what peptides are
Speaker 2: all around, why don't we just start injecting ourselves with
Speaker 2: this heat chok protein. And my answer is we probably
Speaker 2: will be soon. Do you think.
Speaker 1: They'll jumping around a lot of the place, so we
Speaker 1: know it. We know that testosterone is the dominant male hormone,
Speaker 1: and we also know that you know, it declines as
Speaker 1: do many things with age, and you know this is like, well,
Speaker 1: we don't even mention the word testosterone in Australia because
Speaker 1: oh my god, it's it's you know, like it's it's
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's a taboo conversation. We can talk
Speaker 1: about anti aging and hormone replacement therapy for women, but
Speaker 1: not for men. What's the kind of thinking and current
Speaker 1: status around TRT TRT listeners being testosterone replacement therapy in
Speaker 1: the States? Where's that at? Is that? Is that a thing?
Speaker 2: Yeah? It is. It's a huge thing. Let's talk about
Speaker 2: that because it's very interesting because here in the States
Speaker 2: it's the opposite. Testosterone therapy is well it's not. It's
Speaker 2: a controlled substance, but it's very powerular and you know,
Speaker 2: the women have been held back because of misinformation about
Speaker 2: risk of cancer and stuff, and perhaps for a long
Speaker 2: time the fake estrogens from horse urine and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: The conjugated ones may have been problematic, but the bioidentical,
Speaker 2: the actual hormones we make are anti inflammatory and help
Speaker 2: maintain youthful behavior. If you think about it, women who
Speaker 2: have more children later pregnancies longer cycles into their lives
Speaker 2: before they reach menopause, live longer. It is a longevity
Speaker 2: move for survival. So those estrogens are preservative and interesting
Speaker 2: that you look at women. You know, very few women
Speaker 2: during pregnancy or youth when they're estrogen is surgeon get
Speaker 2: breast cancer. So estrogen can actually be protective against breast cancer. Yes,
Speaker 2: in fact, it's an old tree for breast cancer to
Speaker 2: use high dose estrogen. Now it's it's difficult to tolerate
Speaker 2: because it caused all kinds of swelling and things and men.
Speaker 2: You may not have as big a need for it
Speaker 2: in Australia because you have safer food and water. Here
Speaker 2: in America, we have the land of the feminized male. Right,
Speaker 2: men are not what they used to be. And whether
Speaker 2: it's because there's hormones in the food or stuff in
Speaker 2: the water, or phytoestrogen and glycophosphates and all kinds of
Speaker 2: crap you know, on our grains and corn that we
Speaker 2: shouldn't be eating anyway, you know, we've got men want
Speaker 2: to become women, and you know, you know, don't know
Speaker 2: how to protect and feed and house and do do
Speaker 2: you know, do basic you know things that we probably
Speaker 2: did one hundred years ago. So there's a bigger need
Speaker 2: for it. Here. We're seeing men in the thirties and
Speaker 2: forties with low testosterone numbers and behaviors and symptoms going
Speaker 2: with it, you know, low sex drive, you know, just
Speaker 2: just less fewer alpha males. We've lost that masculine edge here.
Speaker 2: Uh except me, of course, so I knew that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm just it's just oozing off of me. But the uh,
Speaker 2: the uh, the ripples of the replacement. I've learned about
Speaker 2: this years ago, and in fact it's a big anti
Speaker 2: aging uh you know, uh movement to to start to
Speaker 2: replace slash optimize hormone levels. Early on, there was a
Speaker 2: theory that as you age, your hormones declined, and someone said,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, what if you age because your hormones decline,
Speaker 2: so let's start to replace. This That was years ago,
Speaker 2: and that that actually has has helped. So uh, you
Speaker 2: look at you look at older men with testoscerin replacement,
Speaker 2: and they have more muscle mass, more bone density, same
Speaker 2: with the women. More bone density. Man, you think about
Speaker 2: more bone density, more bone, marrow, more marrow, more stem
Speaker 2: cell activity, more stem cell activity, more youth. So I'm
Speaker 2: a big fan of bioidentical hormone replacement and optimization men
Speaker 2: and women. Even if you've already had menopause, ladies, you
Speaker 2: can start it later. Hormone replacement is known in both
Speaker 2: sexist to reduce dementia, reduce cardiovascar disease, reduce you know,
Speaker 2: bone and muscle loss, and all those things if you
Speaker 2: can manage them. We'll support a healthy longevity.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And with all of that, you move better, you
Speaker 1: can pick up your grandkids, you can get in and
Speaker 1: out of the car. Activities of daily living, like on
Speaker 1: a functional, operational, day to day level, like cognitively, emotionally, psychologically, physiologically. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I don't understand because all where you know with
Speaker 1: this is what do we want? Well, we want people
Speaker 1: to live as strong and healthy and operationally functional for
Speaker 1: long as they can that I can walk up the
Speaker 1: corner here and I can buy a hundred cigarettes, which
Speaker 1: absolutely we know kill people, but the government has a
Speaker 1: four hundred percent tax on those cigarettes, so they make
Speaker 1: shitloads of money. Like something that we know kills people,
Speaker 1: I can buy it. The corner store. In fact, any
Speaker 1: eighteen year olds can buy it the corner store. But
Speaker 1: when we talk about you know, bioidentical hormone replacement therapy,
Speaker 1: it's just and I look at so many dudes over
Speaker 1: here as well and women whom I just think, wow
Speaker 1: that if you could just get someone to like a
Speaker 1: responsible clinician. By the way, everyone, I'm talking about the
Speaker 1: medical supervision with I'm not talking about Brian who's got
Speaker 1: the panel van and sells gear out the back, because
Speaker 1: there's a few of those around. We don't want those.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about you know, blood tests, clinical supervision, like
Speaker 1: prescription through a medical professional, because like, here's the truth.
Speaker 1: With some people, they might they might have their food
Speaker 1: and their exercise and their lifestyle somewhere in the ballpark
Speaker 1: of optimal. But if they're in the crime systems just
Speaker 1: not working optimally, they ain't going to be anywhere they're optimal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's fair. And again this all comes down
Speaker 2: to its setives, right, you know, So what's the incentive
Speaker 2: for not making this available? Like why is this not
Speaker 2: available where you are? Because here here in America you
Speaker 2: can go online with an app and one of these
Speaker 2: companies that has like and they do prescribe it, like
Speaker 2: there's a doctor ask you a few questions, or it's
Speaker 2: automated and they prescribe it. Someone's signing off on that.
Speaker 2: Then they send it to you in the mail. So here, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's pretty well done. You can you can get that
Speaker 2: for women and for men.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, who knows what. Let's just do one or
Speaker 1: two more things. Have you got a few minutes stock?
Speaker 2: Yeah? And I wanted to ask you a question at
Speaker 2: some point, So leave me two minutes for that, if
Speaker 2: you if you'd be.
Speaker 1: So kind, well, why don't we start with that, because
Speaker 1: it's probably more interesting than me.
Speaker 2: Oh I doubt it, but so listen, I want the
Speaker 2: view from an Australian. We watched this dramatized series on
Speaker 2: Netflix about the the woman who purportedly faked her cancer,
Speaker 2: and can you what's the real skinny on that story?
Speaker 2: You know that I've watched. I've watched the dramatized version.
Speaker 1: Okay, So this is what I'm about to say is
Speaker 1: you're probably asking the wrong guy. But I know what's
Speaker 1: her name? Belle someone? Yeah, she's quite well known over here.
Speaker 1: And the I the story was that, yes, she faked
Speaker 1: cancer and you know, exploited people and made lots of
Speaker 1: money and got lots of attention and sympathy, and I
Speaker 1: think quite a few high profile people got on board
Speaker 1: to support her, and she was in magazines and in
Speaker 1: the media and she'd turned her life around and she
Speaker 1: was this survivor and it was all bullshit. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, to me, she is a sociopath. That would
Speaker 1: I mean, to be able to do that with no
Speaker 1: and even in interviews now that would seem to me
Speaker 1: sociopathic behavior, nasis, sociopathic nasist. But yeah, it's true. And
Speaker 1: I mean you probably know as much as me, but
Speaker 1: definitely there are a lot of people who are not
Speaker 1: a big fan of her anymore. Let's just say the
Speaker 1: compassion and the care that was once directed towards her,
Speaker 1: I think that's long gone. But I mean I haven't
Speaker 1: seen anything super recently, but I saw something not long
Speaker 1: ago where the interview was saying to her, but just
Speaker 1: admit that, just admit, and she's like, no, I did, didn't.
Speaker 1: She's like you did? I mean, this is not in question,
Speaker 1: and she just sits there and pathologically lies with no
Speaker 1: hint of discomfort. I'm like, Wow, we could imagine if
Speaker 1: we could harness that. I mean, like, you know, when
Speaker 1: people the ego.
Speaker 2: The ego doesn't want to you know, I know I've
Speaker 2: said this, so we can never go against that, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm probably it's probably all my listeners like,
Speaker 1: shut up, Harps, you're fucking this up. I watched the
Speaker 1: whole series, get the doc to ask me. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: it makes me cringe a little bit. So yeah, but
Speaker 1: that so that's getting a little bit of air time
Speaker 1: in the States on Netflix, is it. Yeah?
Speaker 2: It just blew through like a like a virus, and
Speaker 2: we all watched it. And now there's a subsequent like
Speaker 2: documentary style, so is drama the drama drama. So we
Speaker 2: watched the dramatize one because that guy, you know, number
Speaker 2: one on Netflix. You got to watch it, right it
Speaker 2: shows up on the screen.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: But I just just wondered.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we might leave it there. But I love talking
Speaker 1: to you. We so appreciate you. Tell people how to
Speaker 1: connect with you and where you want to direct them.
Speaker 2: Please, Well, yeah, call called Craig Harper and here's my
Speaker 2: home number. Check us out at re celebrate r E
Speaker 2: C E L L E B R A T e
Speaker 2: celebrate dot com, YouTube channel, Instagram, TikTok, whatever you use.
Speaker 2: I probably have a re celebrate account there. And I
Speaker 2: think we're the only people using that word that spelled
Speaker 2: that way, so you'll fight us.
Speaker 1: Also, I'll put that in the show notes, so if
Speaker 1: you can't remember that, just go look in the show notes.
Speaker 1: We'll say God buy off air in a moment, doc,
Speaker 1: But again, thanks for coming to play on the new project.
Speaker 1: I love hanging out with you and I appreciate you.
Speaker 2: I back at you.
Speaker 1: Thank you.