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Speaker 1: I get our team, welcome back to the show. Doctor

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Speaker 1: Jeffer is here once a month or so. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Is it once a month or once a two months?

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Speaker 1: Once a month, isn't it?

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Speaker 2: It's once a month. I think our contract calls for

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Speaker 2: once a month for the next seventy five years.

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Speaker 1: That's it. That's it, and we've fixed the rate at

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Speaker 1: zero point zero dollars per month, so the value is there,

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Speaker 1: although although that remains to be seen with this episode.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you've been all right so far. You've been

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Speaker 1: all right so far, but no I'm being an idiot.

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Speaker 1: Thank you again. We love having you. We get great

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Speaker 1: feedback about you. My listeners love you, and you and

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Speaker 1: I were just chatting before we started rolling about the

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Speaker 1: circus that is American politics and living in the middle

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Speaker 1: of it all.

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Speaker 2: How is that for you?

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Speaker 1: Has it?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 1: What are your just your thoughts on that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so asperience, and thank you for having me back

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Speaker 2: with your audience. I love to talking to you guys.

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Speaker 2: This has been rewarding and fun. And it's like if

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Speaker 2: I can go off topic in sixth grade, you know,

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Speaker 2: you know, into we call that middle school or junior

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Speaker 2: high here, I had I had a pen pal from Australia.

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Speaker 2: But now through the magic of Zoom, you're my new

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Speaker 2: pen pal. We get to talk, so so thank you

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Speaker 2: for being that. But how is it for us here?

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Speaker 2: We're entertained, As I told you right before we started recording,

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Speaker 2: We're entertained constantly. We no longer are watching movies and

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Speaker 2: television series, uh, you know, to unwind. In the evening,

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Speaker 2: we're watching the news because there's plenty of entertainment, just

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Speaker 2: seeing what happened in the day. So that's that's what's

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Speaker 1: Anything good that's coming out of it for you? Like

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Speaker 1: I mean already I don't know. I feel like you know,

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Speaker 1: in life, like in medicine, in politics, even in science

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Speaker 1: in nutrition, like everyone lives or not everyone, but as

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Speaker 1: people live in an echo China. Right, if you think

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Speaker 1: Trump's an idiot, it doesn't matter what he says, he

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Speaker 1: could say the most profound, brilliant thing of all the time.

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Speaker 1: He's still a fucking idiot because I hide him. Or

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Speaker 1: if you think he's the Messiah, well it doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: what he says. He's right, Like what what's the good

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Speaker 2: Well, first on the on the on the on the

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Speaker 2: his involvement of Robert F. Kennedy, junior atop our Health

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Speaker 2: and Human Services Department. Uh, we look to have him

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Speaker 2: shake things up, you know, relook at things that you know,

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Speaker 2: the government says was quote unquote proven, and they misuse

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Speaker 2: So because we relearned new things all the time that

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Speaker 2: you know, alternative cancer therapies, things like this. You know,

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Speaker 2: it should be a choice, right, It's about a freedom

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Speaker 2: of choosing, and hopefully that they will make it less,

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Speaker 2: They will make those of us sound a little less.

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Speaker 2: Those of us at the tip of the spear aren't

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Speaker 2: as crazy as you think. So so that that I like, certainly,

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Speaker 2: just like your body has sinescent zombie cells that are

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Speaker 2: and we're finding where money has gone for so many decades,

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Speaker 2: I don't know how that compares to where you are,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think we have like one person per

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Speaker 2: Probably the California is sort of like the fungal infected

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Speaker 2: Like that's well said. It's the taxation locally. I don't

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Speaker 2: So if you're doing a federal tax of thirty eight percent,

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Speaker 2: in Nevada, where I live, there is no state tax.

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Speaker 1: Think about a million people have moved to Austin, Texas

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Speaker 2: Joe and Elon and Tim Ferriss and many others.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, So I want to be

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Speaker 1: basically want a free consult. Let's be honest, no worries. Yeah. So,

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Speaker 1: so my PhD is all around understanding how other people think,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's you can't be objective about yourself obviously,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, I got you, and I just read a

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Speaker 2: and I will see now that I'm going to give

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Speaker 2: you the two most powerful, most influential things to preserve

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Speaker 2: your brain function that you are doing and you should

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Speaker 2: continue doing, and we should all do, is to move

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Speaker 2: slash exercise and to sleep restoratively. And that is different

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Speaker 2: you could tell me more about exercise. But it turns

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Speaker 2: So you know, you need a cold room. You can

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Speaker 2: there through that purpose, it should be very dark. There

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Speaker 2: should be a wind down at night, whether you turn

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Speaker 2: and it's very simple action, like none of these things

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Speaker 2: get off. It's its chest, so to speak. And some

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Speaker 2: of them could be good, some of them cannot be good,

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Speaker 2: but they need to come out. And taking that melatonin

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Speaker 2: at nighttime a dissolvable is bast in my mind, since

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Speaker 2: digested it to immuno acids. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Really, that's interesting. And I know this, sorry, I know

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Speaker 1: there's no set prescription, but like, how many milligrams give

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Speaker 2: Well us old guys grouping us together, Craig, because I'm

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Speaker 1: Really.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's and I don't make any so it's a desirable.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, right, and okay, wow, I didn't even

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Speaker 1: know that you could get dissolvable. I only saying the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you don't need to start at twelve miligrams.

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Speaker 2: They make a three milligram five ten, you know, start

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Speaker 2: We can Yeah, So when I sit down, when I

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Speaker 2: their phyto nutrients, fruits and vegetables. We look at their biome.

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Speaker 2: Are you getting robiotics? We look at supplementation for gaps

433
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Speaker 2: in the diet. Now in Australia, it sounds like you

434
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Speaker 2: have some restrictions and what you can get in the

435
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Speaker 2: supplement side of things, But I personally take a pretty

436
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Speaker 2: good amount of supplements. I don't know if I've ever

437
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 2: showed this to you. This is my prepackaged day pack

438
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Speaker 2: of supplements for lunch, I mean with lunch, not for lunch,

439
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Speaker 2: and I take quite a few because I'm just not

440
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Speaker 2: getting these in my diet right. This is this is

441
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 2: making up. This is making up for that. And then

442
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 2: we look at their exercise are you are you exercising,

443
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Speaker 2: are you getting the right exercise? Is it effective? What's

444
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Speaker 2: your body composition? Do we need to change something? Do

445
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Speaker 2: you need peptides. Do you need help with weight loss?

446
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 2: You know, we love the GLP one agonists for that.

447
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 2: It's a peptide which is also known here in the

448
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Speaker 2: States as ozebic or some glue tide or other one

449
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Speaker 2: of trzeppetide, monduro or or what gov okay, and there

450
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Speaker 2: are other ones in Europe. They have read a true

451
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 2: tide which we should have soon. And then we look

452
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Speaker 2: at sleep. As I noticed and we mentioned that earlier.

453
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Speaker 2: How do you go about it? What's your ritual? What's

454
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Speaker 2: your wearable tech? Do you know your heart rate variability?

455
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Speaker 2: Do you know your VIA two max? How long can

456
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Speaker 2: you how many pull ups can you do? How long

457
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Speaker 2: can you hang from a chin up?

458
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Speaker 1: Bard?

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Speaker 2: You know, maybe we look at stress, mental stress, neurostress.

460
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Speaker 2: You know, what steps are you taking if you if

461
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Speaker 2: you if you're a workaholic, you know, uh, and you

462
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Speaker 2: need to do that. What steps are you taking to recover?

463
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 2: To rest your brain? The brain needs rest just like

464
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Speaker 2: a muscle. And then we look at you know, even

465
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Speaker 2: even things such as social interactions. You are you alone?

466
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Speaker 1: Uh?

467
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 2: You know who's in your life? How is that? And

468
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 2: and then we were gone from there. You know, if

469
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Speaker 2: we're not moving the needle forward. Because we have patients

470
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 2: we've looked at their biological age and it was older

471
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Speaker 2: than their actual calendar age, and we have made changes

472
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Speaker 2: and moved that biological age because you can measure again

473
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Speaker 2: and moved it down. So you, like you said, it

474
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Speaker 2: is inducible, it is movable. That's called epigenetics, right, because

475
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 2: you're not changing genetics, we're changing what genes are called upon.

476
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Speaker 2: That's the field of epigenetics. Some people we we add

477
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Speaker 2: regenerative medicine. We had stem cell based products and things

478
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Speaker 2: to help slow and suppress their inflammatory burden. Because remember,

479
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 2: aging is inflament. Is inflament is chronic inflammation accumulated. We're inflammaging.

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Speaker 1: I was talking yesterday doctor a BLI like cole them

481
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Speaker 1: I behead likes a BLI like, yeah, I want you

482
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Speaker 1: to stop waving that into your uh, you know, your conversations. Bloke, Yes,

483
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Speaker 1: I was talking about I was doing it. Take note.

484
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Speaker 1: So I was talking to a bloke who has a

485
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Speaker 1: really good job in that it pays him lots to do,

486
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Speaker 1: but he hates it, right, he hates it. So not

487
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Speaker 1: a not a good job in a way, A good

488
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Speaker 1: job in a way, A terrible job. And we were

489
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Speaker 1: and I wasn't consulting him. We were just having a

490
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Speaker 1: coffee and he said, don't. He was asking me about

491
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Speaker 1: you know, how burnt out I get because I work

492
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Speaker 1: a lot, a lot, a lot, but none of my

493
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Speaker 1: like right now I'm working. There's nothing about this experience

494
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: that I'm having that to me feels like work, because

495
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Speaker 1: this is this is genuinely fun. You're interesting. I like you,

496
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Speaker 1: I'm learning. There's nothing negative about this for me. And

497
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: most of the things, like the hardest thing that I do,

498
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: which is not that hard, has just research that requires

499
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Speaker 1: fair bit of cognitive load, and you know, all our

500
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Speaker 1: kind of stuff, but the impact because we spend so

501
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: much of our life working. You know, in corporate they

502
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: talk about work life balance. When I'm presenting, I talk

503
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: about work impact. So not necessarily how many hours you

504
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: do versus how many hours you don't do. That kind

505
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Speaker 1: of seesaw balance thing, but rather like you might have

506
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Speaker 1: a job that's only twenty hours a week, but it's

507
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: killing you versus someone who does sixty hours a week,

508
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: and it's actually going to make you live longer because

509
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Speaker 1: it just is such a positive.

510
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you. A million times over it.

511
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Speaker 2: By the way, I enjoy this too. This is fun

512
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Speaker 2: for me. I'm going to say this, You're probably now

513
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Speaker 2: my favorite bloke in Australia. How I do thank you?

514
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Speaker 2: I mean thank you. I like you Jackman. I really

515
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Speaker 2: like you Jackman. But I don't know him, so I

516
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Speaker 2: know you. So I'm going to say you're the favorite

517
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Speaker 2: bloke I know.

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Speaker 1: Thanks dude, No, I like it. Yeah, so have all

519
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Speaker 1: the blokes that you know. I'm one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you've You've risen to the top quite quickly,

521
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Speaker 2: I might say. But I agree with you. I enjoyed

522
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Speaker 2: this too, and and I get it. Some people have these,

523
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Speaker 2: you know, horrible jobs and but it pays them well

524
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Speaker 2: and they need to do it. They've got a family whatever,

525
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 2: so they they there are there are ways to, you know,

526
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Speaker 2: play around there. And my one of my favorite books

527
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Speaker 2: do you read? Yeah, Okay, I don't, But my favorite

528
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Speaker 2: book is.

529
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Speaker 1: If I'm honest, I listen more than our raid Now yeah.

530
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Speaker 2: The same same. Yeah, I'm lazy. So my one of

531
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Speaker 2: my favorite ones is The four Hour work Week by

532
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Speaker 2: Tim Ferris. Tim Ferris, Yes, automating and outsourcing some of

533
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 2: your job, Yes, the extent you can, and so you're

534
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 2: at least you could find ways to be a little

535
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Speaker 2: less miserable or make it fun or or what have you. So,

536
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Speaker 2: I mean, if you're stuck in it and you're not

537
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Speaker 2: looking to improve upon it, then that's that's just a

538
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 2: behavioral You know, you got some and shoes on. You've

539
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 2: got to do something about it. Yeah, but you know

540
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 2: you ask why do you hate it? Well, I hate

541
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Speaker 2: my boss. I like what I do. I hate it

542
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 2: may be something like that, a toxic people around me,

543
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 2: or I just I feel horrible. You know, I'm selling

544
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 2: poison or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, we make nuclear bombs. You know,

545
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 2: it just doesn't feel good.

546
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: It doesn't fit with my moral compass, but it pays well. Yeah,

547
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: thanks thanks mister Oppenheimer. The cafes through there, Yeah, I know,

548
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: it's uh Like one of the things I wanted to

549
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: chat to you about today is the the reluctance that

550
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Speaker 1: that some people in you know, science and medicine and

551
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: a million fields for that matter, but have to the

552
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Speaker 1: reluctance They have to say, oh I was wrong or

553
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Speaker 1: I don't know, Like since I started in exercise science

554
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: forty years ago, I've changed my mind about half of

555
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: things right. It's like there were so many things I

556
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: used to think or do or teach or advocate that

557
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: I don't anymore, and so many things I thought I

558
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: had right that I had wrong. So now even when

559
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: someone says to me, you know, what do you think

560
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: about this or that? Or what's your thoughts or beliefs,

561
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: or I go, look, this is what I think about that,

562
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Speaker 1: but I don't know. But this is what I think

563
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Speaker 1: and why. But I don't have absolute evidence on that

564
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: or I think this, but I could be wrong, So

565
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: stand by because I've been wrong a lot. Why are

566
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Speaker 1: people so reluctant in some spaces to go fuck? I

567
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: don't know? Or actually I thought this, but then I

568
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: spoke to Jeff, and now I think that.

569
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Speaker 2: I think it's hard to some people cannot find they're

570
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 2: wrong in their and their opinion or their actions because

571
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Speaker 2: it's a painful hit to their ego. I don't want

572
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Speaker 2: to sound like Sigwyn Freud, but I think I just yeah,

573
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Speaker 2: I think it's hard to say that. And you you

574
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Speaker 2: show yourself. And one of the reasons I think we

575
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Speaker 2: get along and you're so affable is is you know

576
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Speaker 2: you don't you don't you don't take yourself so seriously

577
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 2: that you have to be right about everything, and that

578
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Speaker 2: that makes you the kind of person you want to

579
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Speaker 2: talk to and hang out with, and and and so, uh,

580
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Speaker 2: you know, it's hard, and I appreciate that you can

581
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Speaker 2: change your mind. And and I think when I when

582
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Speaker 2: I went into regenerative medicine, I had to sort of

583
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Speaker 2: relearn a whole set of things that were forced upon

584
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Speaker 2: me in medical school, in residency. And those things may

585
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Speaker 2: have been right at one time, but they're not right anymore. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well they were believed to be right, but now

587
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Speaker 1: we you know, it's like the food pyramid. It's like,

588
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: you know, men could never run a four minute mile,

589
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Speaker 1: that's science. It's like, well that didn't work out, you know,

590
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Speaker 1: or yeah, I don't, I don't know. I just think

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Speaker 1: it's I think it's also needing to be right. That's

592
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Speaker 1: got to be fucking exhausting, doesn't it.

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Speaker 2: It probably does, And I would admit I probably had

594
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Speaker 2: periods of that, and it doesn't You can end up lonely. Yeah, yeah,

595
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 2: that's one way to meet people not want to hang

596
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Speaker 2: out with you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And isn't it interesting like that people don't understand

598
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Speaker 1: how socially repellent that is, you know, And also it's like, dude,

599
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,879
Speaker 1: do you have no awareness like this is even though

600
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Speaker 1: you might think that, maybe just keep that to yourself

601
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: for a minute. All right, let's talk about something totally different.

602
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about hot and cold for the body. Like

603
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Speaker 1: what are your like, cry oh, cold showers, fucking ice bars, saunas, like,

604
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: tell us about that stuff and where you sit with that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So I'm a huge fan of ormesis and I

606
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Speaker 2: don't know if we've talked about that together previously, but

607
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Speaker 2: for those listeners, hormesis is a slight stress on the body,

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Speaker 2: and it sells to build resilience in the long run.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Examples. Examples would be hot sauna, cold plunge, high intense exercise, fasting,

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Speaker 2: interritten fasting, and actual structural fast one day, three day,

612
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Speaker 2: five day, what have you. Some people might consider low

613
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Speaker 2: oxygen like high altitude or hormesis as well. So I'm

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Speaker 2: a big fan of hormesis. I love hot sauna. I

615
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,959
Speaker 2: don't dislove cold plunges. I just find them cold.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, wow, you've done your research. Yeah, yeah, that's why

617
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Speaker 4: we buy you the big box exactly, which sauna stain

618
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Speaker 4: or infrared or something else.

619
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Speaker 2: So listen. I'm a fan of infrared or red light

620
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Speaker 2: therapy for anti inflammation, but the infrared SNAs don't get

621
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Speaker 2: hot enough. So I like a traditional, you know, finish

622
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 2: style sauna, which is usually a rye. You know, it's

623
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Speaker 2: usually electric heater with the rocks. It doesn't have to

624
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 2: be steam. It could be steam or not. I don't

625
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 2: think it matters. But it has to get up to

626
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 2: one hundred and seventy five degrees plus fahrenheit. I don't

627
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 2: know what that is in uh in intelligent world metrics,

628
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 2: but the and you're supposed to be in there for

629
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Speaker 2: you know, twenty twenty five minutes. You work up to

630
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Speaker 2: that five days a week, and then the health benefits

631
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Speaker 2: are amazing. So I'm a big fan of that. Uh.

632
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Speaker 2: We're thinking about putting one in the house as part

633
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Speaker 2: of a remodel. Right now. I have to go to

634
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Speaker 2: the the sports club, the gym to do it.

635
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just figuring out what one's seventy five in

636
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Speaker 1: celsius is Fucking hell, that's hot. Seventy nine point four Yeah, Yeah,

637
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,280
Speaker 1: that's hot, dude, That's that's wow.

638
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 2: That's cooking a chicken hot well, and I can do

639
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five minutes. I don't bring you know, I

640
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 2: don't bring my phone and my cell phone with me

641
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 2: because it tends to go on the fritz when I

642
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 2: get in there. But my Apple Watch will work, so

643
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 2: I can track the time on my Apple Watch, and

644
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 2: I'll it's since you. I'll track my heart rate and

645
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 2: if I get up to one one hundred and forty

646
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,959
Speaker 2: five beats per minute, that's usually twenty twenty five minutes.

647
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 2: Because it's a cardiov asked to workout, you'd be and heat.

648
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 2: And the reason the reason for that is do you

649
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 2: know why?

650
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: Well, because why it's a cardiovascular workout. Yeah, let me

651
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: have a guess. Okay, cardiac drift because blood volume is

652
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: decreasing your sweating, so your heart's got to beat faster

653
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: to deliver the same amount of oxygen blah. So you've

654
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: got yeah, less blood volume.

655
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 4: Do it.

656
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 1: And you're trying to get that around the body.

657
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 2: The body's trying to cool off your eyes. It's and

658
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 2: to do it. You know, you you've got a sweat,

659
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 2: so it has to over the blood to the superficial

660
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 2: small arteries and capillaries in the skin. Just like an

661
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 2: elephant cools through its ears by you're driving blood through

662
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 2: blood flowing because you can't cool fast enough. The heart

663
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 2: has to beat that blood, yeah right, many more times

664
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 2: per minute through your skin so it can get to

665
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 2: the surface and you can sweat. So it's a it's

666
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 2: a it's a metabolgic demand for that purpose of your heart.

667
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 2: Your has to work harder. You're right, good job.

668
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: What's a kind of and again this is not a

669
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: personal prescription anyone, but broadly speaking, doc a bit of

670
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: a So if I want to start doing sauna, what

671
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: would be a stepping off point for me? Like seven days,

672
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: three days, two minutes, twenty minutes give us the way

673
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:48,240
Speaker 1: when I start.

674
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 2: I like to lock in the day the day ritual.

675
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 2: So if you say I'm going to do five days

676
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 2: a week Monday through Friday, but I'm going to start

677
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 2: out with ten minutes, and maybe I'll start out at

678
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty five and then maybe each each

679
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 2: day you add a degree or a minute. Yeah, some progress,

680
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 2: so so that after a few weeks you can you

681
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 2: can get to where you need to go. And I

682
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 2: like to do it in the evening. Then take a

683
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 2: nice cool shower to cool down. Man, you will sleep better.

684
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 2: You talk about more restorative sleep. That's a that's a

685
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 2: that's been huge for me.

686
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: So speaking of cooling down at the other end of

687
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: the temperature spectrum, what what's what's your advice or thoughts

688
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 1: around the different forms of cold therapy.

689
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 2: So I don't have that data because I'm I'm I'm not.

690
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 2: I don't have the aptitude for the cold. So I know,

691
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 2: I know some people that do contrast therapy to do

692
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 2: heat than cold. They go from the hasana to the

693
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 2: cold lunge. So I don't know the metrics. Uh. You know,

694
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 2: there are a lot of products now you can buy

695
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 2: called chillers where you can connect it to your own

696
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 2: bath and create that, or you can buy a whole

697
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 2: separate device that does it. So I don't know the

698
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 2: metrics for that. I don't know the right temperatures. I

699
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 2: don't know how long to be in there. But I

700
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 2: know that the people I follow that do the deep dives,

701
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 2: like Huberman and Ronda Patrick, I'm sure I would. That's

702
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 2: where I would go and research it and listen to

703
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 2: their podcasts on it.

704
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 1: You know what's funny is literally I just wrote on

705
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: my pad in front of me, Ronda Patrick, and then

706
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 1: seven seconds of you went she talks about hate shot proteins.

707
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about heat shock proteins.

708
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: They're my favorite stought. Yeah cool, So tell she talks

709
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: about that in relations, sonar and a bunch of other things.

710
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: So tell us what that means and how that relates

711
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 1: to us.

712
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 2: So can I can I speak to evolution or is that?

713
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 2: Is that a no? Where you taught evolution and in Australia?

714
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: Okay, well we all know that God created the world

715
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: in seven days, but nonetheless we'll I have a look

716
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 1: at just for this one conversation.

717
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 2: Well, I mean it was a long seven days. I

718
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 2: think the time was a less.

719
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: So if you look at.

720
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 2: Heat shock protein, particularly like heat shock protein seventy because

721
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 2: they're more than one heatchock protein, and you go down

722
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 2: into the more primitive species, including bacteria, you'll find that

723
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 2: heat chock protein is preserved. The genes that code that

724
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 2: protein are the same for plants, for bacteria, fish, humans, mice, everybody,

725
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 2: we all have that same he It's a primitive survival protein.

726
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 2: And when you take a bacteria and you expose it

727
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 2: to heat, it releases this in an attempt to survive.

728
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 2: It's a restorative protein. So we see if you go

729
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 2: into why is hot sun and healthy because it makes

730
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 2: you reallyase heat chok proteins. So Ronda Patrick is absolutely right.

731
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 2: And you know we studied this. It was in our

732
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 2: college classes in biochemistry. You take bacteria. You see if

733
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 2: you can cause mutations, and you you expose some heat,

734
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 2: you release these proteins. Heat shock protein is amazing. Now

735
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 2: when we do some of the regenitive therapies here in

736
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,240
Speaker 2: the office, stem cell based or stem cell derived signaling

737
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 2: factors called exosomes, they're chock full of heat chock protein.

738
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 2: You find it in the amniotic fluid. It is this,

739
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 2: it is. It is not just because it's released by heat.

740
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 2: It is a restorative, youthful, survival protein. We love those.

741
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 2: That's what you give off when you have hormesis. Cold

742
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 2: plunge gives off heat chok protein too. Yes, so you

743
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 2: exciting stuff. Now you might say, well, what peptides are

744
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 2: all around, why don't we just start injecting ourselves with

745
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 2: this heat chok protein. And my answer is we probably

746
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 2: will be soon. Do you think.

747
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: They'll jumping around a lot of the place, so we

748
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: know it. We know that testosterone is the dominant male hormone,

749
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: and we also know that you know, it declines as

750
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 1: do many things with age, and you know this is like, well,

751
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: we don't even mention the word testosterone in Australia because

752
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,760
Speaker 1: oh my god, it's it's you know, like it's it's

753
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,399
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's a taboo conversation. We can talk

754
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 1: about anti aging and hormone replacement therapy for women, but

755
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:35,720
Speaker 1: not for men. What's the kind of thinking and current

756
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: status around TRT TRT listeners being testosterone replacement therapy in

757
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: the States? Where's that at? Is that? Is that a thing?

758
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 2: Yeah? It is. It's a huge thing. Let's talk about

759
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,280
Speaker 2: that because it's very interesting because here in the States

760
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 2: it's the opposite. Testosterone therapy is well it's not. It's

761
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 2: a controlled substance, but it's very powerular and you know,

762
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:07,720
Speaker 2: the women have been held back because of misinformation about

763
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 2: risk of cancer and stuff, and perhaps for a long

764
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 2: time the fake estrogens from horse urine and stuff like that.

765
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 2: The conjugated ones may have been problematic, but the bioidentical,

766
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 2: the actual hormones we make are anti inflammatory and help

767
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:30,399
Speaker 2: maintain youthful behavior. If you think about it, women who

768
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 2: have more children later pregnancies longer cycles into their lives

769
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 2: before they reach menopause, live longer. It is a longevity

770
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 2: move for survival. So those estrogens are preservative and interesting

771
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 2: that you look at women. You know, very few women

772
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 2: during pregnancy or youth when they're estrogen is surgeon get

773
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:58,439
Speaker 2: breast cancer. So estrogen can actually be protective against breast cancer. Yes,

774
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,280
Speaker 2: in fact, it's an old tree for breast cancer to

775
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,320
Speaker 2: use high dose estrogen. Now it's it's difficult to tolerate

776
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 2: because it caused all kinds of swelling and things and men.

777
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 2: You may not have as big a need for it

778
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 2: in Australia because you have safer food and water. Here

779
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 2: in America, we have the land of the feminized male. Right,

780
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 2: men are not what they used to be. And whether

781
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 2: it's because there's hormones in the food or stuff in

782
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 2: the water, or phytoestrogen and glycophosphates and all kinds of

783
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 2: crap you know, on our grains and corn that we

784
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 2: shouldn't be eating anyway, you know, we've got men want

785
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 2: to become women, and you know, you know, don't know

786
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 2: how to protect and feed and house and do do

787
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 2: you know, do basic you know things that we probably

788
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 2: did one hundred years ago. So there's a bigger need

789
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 2: for it. Here. We're seeing men in the thirties and

790
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:59,479
Speaker 2: forties with low testosterone numbers and behaviors and symptoms going

791
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 2: with it, you know, low sex drive, you know, just

792
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 2: just less fewer alpha males. We've lost that masculine edge here.

793
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 2: Uh except me, of course, so I knew that. Yeah,

794
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 2: I'm just it's just oozing off of me. But the uh,

795
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 2: the uh, the ripples of the replacement. I've learned about

796
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:26,280
Speaker 2: this years ago, and in fact it's a big anti

797
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 2: aging uh you know, uh movement to to start to

798
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 2: replace slash optimize hormone levels. Early on, there was a

799
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 2: theory that as you age, your hormones declined, and someone said,

800
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 2: wait a minute, what if you age because your hormones decline,

801
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 2: so let's start to replace. This That was years ago,

802
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 2: and that that actually has has helped. So uh, you

803
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 2: look at you look at older men with testoscerin replacement,

804
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 2: and they have more muscle mass, more bone density, same

805
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 2: with the women. More bone density. Man, you think about

806
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 2: more bone density, more bone, marrow, more marrow, more stem

807
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 2: cell activity, more stem cell activity, more youth. So I'm

808
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 2: a big fan of bioidentical hormone replacement and optimization men

809
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 2: and women. Even if you've already had menopause, ladies, you

810
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 2: can start it later. Hormone replacement is known in both

811
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 2: sexist to reduce dementia, reduce cardiovascar disease, reduce you know,

812
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 2: bone and muscle loss, and all those things if you

813
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 2: can manage them. We'll support a healthy longevity.

814
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. And with all of that, you move better, you

815
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: can pick up your grandkids, you can get in and

816
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: out of the car. Activities of daily living, like on

817
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: a functional, operational, day to day level, like cognitively, emotionally, psychologically, physiologically. Yeah,

818
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: Like I don't understand because all where you know with

819
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,240
Speaker 1: this is what do we want? Well, we want people

820
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: to live as strong and healthy and operationally functional for

821
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 1: long as they can that I can walk up the

822
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: corner here and I can buy a hundred cigarettes, which

823
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 1: absolutely we know kill people, but the government has a

824
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: four hundred percent tax on those cigarettes, so they make

825
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: shitloads of money. Like something that we know kills people,

826
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 1: I can buy it. The corner store. In fact, any

827
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: eighteen year olds can buy it the corner store. But

828
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: when we talk about you know, bioidentical hormone replacement therapy,

829
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 1: it's just and I look at so many dudes over

830
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:37,240
Speaker 1: here as well and women whom I just think, wow

831
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: that if you could just get someone to like a

832
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: responsible clinician. By the way, everyone, I'm talking about the

833
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: medical supervision with I'm not talking about Brian who's got

834
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: the panel van and sells gear out the back, because

835
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,240
Speaker 1: there's a few of those around. We don't want those.

836
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 1: I'm talking about you know, blood tests, clinical supervision, like

837
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: prescription through a medical professional, because like, here's the truth.

838
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 1: With some people, they might they might have their food

839
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 1: and their exercise and their lifestyle somewhere in the ballpark

840
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: of optimal. But if they're in the crime systems just

841
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: not working optimally, they ain't going to be anywhere they're optimal.

842
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's fair. And again this all comes down

843
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:31,359
Speaker 2: to its setives, right, you know, So what's the incentive

844
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 2: for not making this available? Like why is this not

845
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 2: available where you are? Because here here in America you

846
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 2: can go online with an app and one of these

847
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 2: companies that has like and they do prescribe it, like

848
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 2: there's a doctor ask you a few questions, or it's

849
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 2: automated and they prescribe it. Someone's signing off on that.

850
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,399
Speaker 2: Then they send it to you in the mail. So here, Yeah,

851
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 2: it's pretty well done. You can you can get that

852
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:55,399
Speaker 2: for women and for men.

853
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, who knows what. Let's just do one or

854
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: two more things. Have you got a few minutes stock?

855
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Speaker 2: Yeah? And I wanted to ask you a question at

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Speaker 2: some point, So leave me two minutes for that, if

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Speaker 2: you if you'd be.

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Speaker 1: So kind, well, why don't we start with that, because

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Speaker 1: it's probably more interesting than me.

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Speaker 2: Oh I doubt it, but so listen, I want the

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Speaker 2: view from an Australian. We watched this dramatized series on

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Speaker 2: Netflix about the the woman who purportedly faked her cancer,

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Speaker 2: and can you what's the real skinny on that story?

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Speaker 2: You know that I've watched. I've watched the dramatized version.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So this is what I'm about to say is

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Speaker 1: you're probably asking the wrong guy. But I know what's

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Speaker 1: her name? Belle someone? Yeah, she's quite well known over here.

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Speaker 1: And the I the story was that, yes, she faked

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Speaker 1: cancer and you know, exploited people and made lots of

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Speaker 1: money and got lots of attention and sympathy, and I

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Speaker 1: think quite a few high profile people got on board

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Speaker 1: to support her, and she was in magazines and in

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Speaker 1: the media and she'd turned her life around and she

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Speaker 1: was this survivor and it was all bullshit. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, to me, she is a sociopath. That would

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Speaker 1: I mean, to be able to do that with no

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Speaker 1: and even in interviews now that would seem to me

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Speaker 1: sociopathic behavior, nasis, sociopathic nasist. But yeah, it's true. And

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Speaker 1: I mean you probably know as much as me, but

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Speaker 1: definitely there are a lot of people who are not

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Speaker 1: a big fan of her anymore. Let's just say the

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Speaker 1: compassion and the care that was once directed towards her,

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Speaker 1: I think that's long gone. But I mean I haven't

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Speaker 1: seen anything super recently, but I saw something not long

885
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Speaker 1: ago where the interview was saying to her, but just

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Speaker 1: admit that, just admit, and she's like, no, I did, didn't.

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Speaker 1: She's like you did? I mean, this is not in question,

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Speaker 1: and she just sits there and pathologically lies with no

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Speaker 1: hint of discomfort. I'm like, Wow, we could imagine if

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Speaker 1: we could harness that. I mean, like, you know, when

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Speaker 1: people the ego.

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Speaker 2: The ego doesn't want to you know, I know I've

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Speaker 2: said this, so we can never go against that, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm probably it's probably all my listeners like,

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Speaker 1: shut up, Harps, you're fucking this up. I watched the

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Speaker 1: whole series, get the doc to ask me. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: it makes me cringe a little bit. So yeah, but

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Speaker 1: that so that's getting a little bit of air time

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Speaker 1: in the States on Netflix, is it. Yeah?

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Speaker 2: It just blew through like a like a virus, and

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Speaker 2: we all watched it. And now there's a subsequent like

902
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Speaker 2: documentary style, so is drama the drama drama. So we

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Speaker 2: watched the dramatize one because that guy, you know, number

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Speaker 2: one on Netflix. You got to watch it, right it

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Speaker 2: shows up on the screen.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 2: But I just just wondered.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we might leave it there. But I love talking

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Speaker 1: to you. We so appreciate you. Tell people how to

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Speaker 1: connect with you and where you want to direct them.

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Speaker 2: Please, Well, yeah, call called Craig Harper and here's my

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Speaker 2: home number. Check us out at re celebrate r E

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Speaker 2: C E L L E B R A T e

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Speaker 2: celebrate dot com, YouTube channel, Instagram, TikTok, whatever you use.

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Speaker 2: I probably have a re celebrate account there. And I

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Speaker 2: think we're the only people using that word that spelled

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Speaker 2: that way, so you'll fight us.

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Speaker 1: Also, I'll put that in the show notes, so if

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Speaker 1: you can't remember that, just go look in the show notes.

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Speaker 1: We'll say God buy off air in a moment, doc,

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Speaker 1: But again, thanks for coming to play on the new project.

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Speaker 1: I love hanging out with you and I appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: I back at you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.