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Speaker 1: You're listening to the podcast, then it's Calvin Harris. Feel

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Speaker 1: so close for your Tuesday morning.

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Speaker 2: It's twelve fast days.

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Speaker 1: Wow, this is unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: Future never Daniel John's's new album not just once but

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Speaker 2: twice now has gone a number one on the Arias

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Speaker 2: charts and we have.

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Speaker 1: Daniel on the line right now.

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Speaker 2: Daniel, you're there, buddy, I feel so close to you now.

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Speaker 3: Famous it should have been.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a big song though, That was a

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Speaker 4: big one.

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Speaker 2: Have you met Calvin Harris before, Daniel? Yeah, that's fitty.

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Speaker 2: How are you legend?

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Speaker 3: Remember when I'm in the elevator.

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Speaker 1: What happened there? Daniel? You you were with Natalie that

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Speaker 1: day and that's fifty.

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Speaker 3: And knew it. There's no way you know.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 2: Actually the Natalie reference was which I couldn't believe it,

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Speaker 2: but you said to me that when you were living

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Speaker 2: in London with Natalie you used to watch my season

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Speaker 2: on Brother Brother and it freaked me.

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Speaker 3: It's true. Yeah, that's true, mate.

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Speaker 4: Oh you know what I love about this? I mean,

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Speaker 4: if you look back at your career and you know

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Speaker 4: the success that you've had now writing new music and

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Speaker 4: you're doing a solo the fact that you still get

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Speaker 4: the same thrill, the same buzz out of creating new.

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Speaker 3: Music, and I get more now, do you Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: get a lot more out of it now. I don't know,

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Speaker 3: Maybe not currently, maybe not today. But when I was

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Speaker 3: making Kidchenever, I was on a whole trip, Like I really,

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Speaker 3: honestly in my head believed that I was making something

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Speaker 3: really great.

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Speaker 4: You know, how long did it take, Mae.

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Speaker 3: On and off? Seven years?

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Speaker 1: Seven years?

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Speaker 2: You are and you're self confessed perfectionists, and it's hard

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Speaker 2: to let go of songs because you've always said that

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Speaker 2: you're always trying to write that perfect symphony in your mind.

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Speaker 2: So is it hard to let go those songs sometimes? Daniel?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it's really hard. The problem with me is

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Speaker 3: I write a lot, and I always think it's crap,

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Speaker 3: so I just keep throwing it away, right, But then

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Speaker 3: if someone tells me it's good, then I listen to

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Speaker 3: it just you know, maybe six something and fifty thousand times,

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Speaker 3: and then we needs to work. Like if it takes

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Speaker 3: me a lot to think my teeth in, but once

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Speaker 3: I do it, it's like I've got lockjaw and I can't,

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Speaker 3: you know, like a staff Carrier. I just can't get

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Speaker 3: off when.

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Speaker 4: You've written something andy going, I'm not sure if I

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Speaker 4: like it. I think there could be something in it.

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Speaker 4: Who do you play it to? Who's the person that says,

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Speaker 4: now you've got something there?

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Speaker 3: Do you know what? I usually play it to people

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Speaker 3: that aren't in the music industry, right, and I play

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Speaker 3: it to people that don't particularly love music, and I

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Speaker 3: just I don't even listen. I just want to. And

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Speaker 3: I once told many things of the people that don't

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Speaker 3: want to hear you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I.

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Speaker 3: Never forgot that.

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Speaker 1: That's amazing. It's a message. Is it justification in your

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Speaker 1: own mind? Though? When you hear that? Daniel?

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Speaker 2: And congratulations Because Future Never's just gone number one for

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Speaker 2: the second time this year, so fell out and then

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Speaker 2: come back again. So that must be very satisfying knowing

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Speaker 2: that people have are back onto it again and really

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Speaker 2: enjoying it.

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Speaker 3: It's unbelievable, man. This was not I would love to

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Speaker 3: say it was part of the plan, but it wasn't.

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Speaker 3: The plan was to release a really inspiring record and

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Speaker 3: make people feel connected to music again, because a lot

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Speaker 3: of the at risk of sounding I don't even want

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Speaker 3: to say, I Ricky sounding arrogant. I felt like music

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Speaker 3: was getting a little bit of happened. Having said that,

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Speaker 3: I feel so close.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's brilliant, mate.

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Speaker 2: Can we go back like with people and the advice

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Speaker 2: that you've got from some of the biggest acts around

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Speaker 2: the world. Dan, you and you were thrust into and

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Speaker 2: this is what we forget about, is that you were

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Speaker 2: thrust into the spotlight so quickly at such a young age,

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Speaker 2: and you need to talk to people who have been

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Speaker 2: in that similar situation.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about Bono before.

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Speaker 2: Billy Corgan's a big fan of yours and a very

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Speaker 2: good friend from Smashing Pumpkins who was the same as well,

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Speaker 2: do you when you are feeling in these mentally, when

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Speaker 2: you are doing it tough, can you always lean on

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Speaker 2: these people and ring them for a chat and get

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Speaker 2: advice from them?

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Speaker 3: That's the greatest rock and roll mythology of all time.

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Speaker 3: I don't have their number, No you don't, but but yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think, I really, really I have a lot of

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Speaker 3: people that I have had great inspiring chats with, but

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Speaker 3: you know, they're not on speed. I wish they were.

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Speaker 3: I just annoyed the crap out of it.

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Speaker 2: We spoke Benny this was a while ago, any Gillies.

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Speaker 2: He said that there was an album that you guys

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Speaker 2: recorded before Diorama that was similar to Caius.

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Speaker 1: It was quite hard, it was fast, and then that

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Speaker 1: was when that.

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Speaker 2: Was the moment when you said I wanted to change

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Speaker 2: direction and there was other things that you wanted to do.

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Speaker 1: And did you get rid of that album or have

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Speaker 1: you still got that album?

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Speaker 3: Well, then wouldn't know. He had nothing to do with it.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what he's talking about. So I did

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Speaker 3: that in my basement.

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Speaker 1: Did you keep it, Daniel or did you get rid

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Speaker 1: of it?

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Speaker 3: No? I sat there and deleted. You know, I don't

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Speaker 3: want to start another fight. Everyone thinks I'm fighting all

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Speaker 3: the time. But he didn't hear it.

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Speaker 1: I was.

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Speaker 3: I was in pre COVID. I was in my own

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Speaker 3: self and posed lockdown and I read that record by

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Speaker 3: myself with myself and just decided before drama that I

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Speaker 3: needed to delete all those tapes. And then we kept

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Speaker 3: as a song call was One Way Mule and there's

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Speaker 3: a song called the Lever. I kept because I mean

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Speaker 3: they were good. They are the ones. I was just like,

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna burn it. No, Yeah, I just said, I

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Speaker 3: was going to pigeon hold the band and I thought

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Speaker 3: we needed to go more, a lot more blast, and

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Speaker 3: then more was born.

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Speaker 1: You got pats.

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Speaker 2: They want to know if you're in love at the moment, Daniel,

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Speaker 2: or is that just a friend?

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Speaker 3: No? Com I don't know.

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Speaker 4: He said he's working solo, mate, didn't you you were?

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Speaker 1: You were looking very.

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Speaker 3: Look I've been working on a co lab with a

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Speaker 3: girl for a couple of years.

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Speaker 1: I'm working on a song.

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Speaker 4: Can I ask this, do you still have the drive

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Speaker 4: to perform live?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: No, no, no? And do you think that will change?

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Speaker 1: Do you reckon?

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Speaker 2: There will be a moment in your life where it

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Speaker 2: might change, and mentally you might be okay with it,

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Speaker 2: but at the moment, no.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I don't like saying absolutely no.

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Speaker 3: I honestly risk of sounding sentimental and deep. I just

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Speaker 3: I think that part of me is gone. That performing

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Speaker 3: it really took. It took a lot out of me.

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Speaker 3: I think writing music and making the albums is really

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Speaker 3: fulfilling and performing live is draining. And it lets be too.

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Speaker 2: Old for.

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Speaker 1: We're only talking the other day, Dan.

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Speaker 2: As you get older, how much how good is it

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Speaker 2: just to hang out at home and not have anyone around,

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Speaker 2: and you just.

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Speaker 3: I've been a sixty year old man since I was twenty.

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Speaker 4: It feels right, though, doesn't it make yeah?

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Speaker 3: Always?

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Speaker 4: I love that I feel right.

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Speaker 1: I feel right, but it feels so good to be at.

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Speaker 3: Home really in the morning. Ar you with.

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Speaker 1: My congratulations.

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Speaker 2: Future Evidence hit number one again on the ARIA chart,

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Speaker 2: second time this year. Can download it now, I'll stream it, Dan,

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Speaker 2: I know it's we haven't spoken to you for so long, mate,

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Speaker 2: and keep doing what you're doing.

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Speaker 1: And we really appreciate your time this morning.

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Speaker 3: I really appreciate you.

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