1 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to Ask Fear and Greed, where we answer questions 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: about business, investing, economics, politics and more. A'm Michael Thompson 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: and hello Sean Ale. Hello Michael, Sean Today's question, let 4 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 1: me just give it to you. Why do Australian shares 5 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: pay such high dividends compared to the US? 6 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 2: Ah, we could compare them to China and Japan and 7 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 2: UK Canada pretty much the same answer, whether it's the 8 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 2: US or anyone else. 9 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: Okay, consistent, that's good. I like this good. 10 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:40,520 Speaker 2: Two main reasons. One, bossie companies have always paid out 11 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 2: high dividends. So remember we're talking about soul Pats a 12 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago, and I think it was at 13 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 2: nineteen oh two, I think it listed or nine oh six, 14 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 2: one or the other. It has never ever it was 15 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 2: nine oh six now that I remember, never ever missed 16 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 2: the dividend payment. How's that? And since two thousand and 17 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:02,279 Speaker 2: two it's increased in stiff and payment every year. So 18 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 2: that's an extreme example. But ossie companies pay out dividends, 19 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 2: have big banks of good dividend payers. Telstra has always 20 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:13,279 Speaker 2: been a big dividendpire, so just historically. The second reason 21 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 2: much more important to be honest. Australia's system of franking 22 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 2: credits so to ensure earnings aren't taxed twice. We have 23 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 2: this franking credit system. When an Australian company pays tax 24 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 2: on their income, they then after that tax, they distribute dividends. 25 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 2: What I get as a dividend has already been taxed, 26 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 2: so the ATO attaches a tax credit for me on 27 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 2: these distributions. So another way of saying that franked dividends 28 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 2: have franking credits attached. When I have to pay my tax, 29 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 2: I've got these credits. They're offset my tax liability. So 30 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 2: the fact that our tax system has this in place 31 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 2: Australian dividends really really attractive to Australian investors. Port that 32 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 2: we're talking about Australian companies making their income in Australia 33 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 2: and you're an Australian resident. Because if you don't have 34 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 2: all those things, you don't necessarily get franked dividends. That's 35 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 2: why dividends in Australia are worth more than anywhere else. 36 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 2: There's a crowd called Owen Analytics. They looked at dividend yeelds, 37 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 2: so what you yield so for share price is one 38 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 2: hundred dollars and you get a dividend of five dollars 39 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 2: over the full year, two lots of two dollars fifty 40 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 2: you've got a dividend yield of five percent. Right, that's 41 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 2: really clear. Understand that Australia we basically have five percent 42 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 2: or more and have done on average over about forty years. 43 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 2: This is once you take the franking credits into account, 44 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 2: US about two percent, most European countries a bit better 45 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 2: than two percent, China less than two percent. We've always 46 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 2: just been a big dividend country. 47 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: I mean, that all makes sense, and so really just 48 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: that the historical element of it is just there is 49 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: an expectation now that companies will because we've always done it. 50 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: But more importantly is this franking credit system, because that 51 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: is what has enabled it in the first place. 52 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, and what we should add here because we're not 53 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 2: an investing podcast, so make sure you go and get 54 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:27,959 Speaker 2: financial advice before you do it. You could say, oh great, 55 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 2: I'm just going to buy a high dividend stock, you know, 56 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 2: And there's a bunch of like McPherson's a New Hope, 57 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 2: the coal company, Horizon Oil, Michael Hill, the Jewelers, like 58 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 2: they're really big, high paying dividend stocks. Then there is 59 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 2: like as I mentioned common Matt, the banks traditionally tellst 60 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 2: not as high but still what you're going to remember 61 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 2: that just because it pays the high dividend doesn't mean 62 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 2: it's a great company. So if you buy a company 63 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 2: and it just pays everything out in dividends and doesn't reinvest, 64 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 2: its actual share price might never appreciate. So getting capital 65 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 2: growth there, you only get the dividends. Think of it 66 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 2: that way. Maybe if a company issues are higher than 67 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 2: expected dive or a dividend that the dividend yield looks 68 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 2: really good, that might be because it's share price has 69 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 2: fallen and the company itself isn't much good because it's 70 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 2: you know, divid on share price. So that's your yield. 71 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 2: So you can't just see a high dividend stock and say, oh, 72 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 2: that's a great stock because I'm going to get high 73 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 2: dividend yields on that. You actually have to look behind 74 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 2: the data to see what's important. 75 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: You know what Sean what I reckon. But we have 76 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: nearly got enough ask fear and greeds to open like 77 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: an ask Fear and Greed library. Though there is just 78 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: there is so much value in some of these things, 79 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 1: I mean partly especially ones like this where you sound 80 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 1: like you know what you're talking about. 81 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 2: I like the fact that you say you sound like 82 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 2: you know what you're talking about, as opposed to you 83 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 2: know what you're talking about. 84 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: That's right. I mean, I obviously haven't fact checked what 85 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: you said, but you said it with such credibility that. 86 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 2: You know what, We should have our own separate Ask 87 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 2: Fear and Greed sort of playlist. 88 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: And that way, and it'll still be here in Fear 89 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: and Greed. But it means then that you can also 90 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: go and get just the full library if you just 91 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: want to learn a whole lot of stuff and appear 92 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: really really switched on, and it's all in one place. 93 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: How about us we brainstorming? 94 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 2: That is good? Can we do that? Could? 95 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: Yes? 96 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 2: Excellent? 97 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 1: Yes, leave it with me. I will report back soon, 98 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: but I think we might be onto something anyway. Well answered, Sean, 99 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Thank you, Michael. 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