1 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: Welcome to n and I was very sixty rough league 2 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:16,279 Speaker 1: from every angle, brought to you by Tell Fast joining 3 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:17,639 Speaker 1: me again the great Gordon Tallas. 4 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:19,279 Speaker 2: It's been the Journal Australian Paul. 5 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: Crawley and Dave Ricky O Bulldogs general manager Phil Gould 6 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: has clarified details around Josh ada Car's roadside drug test 7 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: in what's become a massive distraction for the Canterbury club 8 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: on the eve of their first finals campaign in eight years. 9 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 3: Obviously, this is not the way we wanted to start 10 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 3: this special week for the club, our first time in 11 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 3: the finals since twenty sixteen, in our club performing so 12 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 3: well this year. Josh, as far as he's concerned, he's 13 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 3: done nothing wrong. You can't understand why he tested positives 14 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 3: once at the scene of this roadside test on Friday night. However, 15 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 3: had the initial roadside test which tests showed an indication 16 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 3: pour K. So he said, you're under arrest for the 17 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 3: purpose of a secondary test. Now. Normally, and this is 18 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 3: where he got confusing for us. Normally that would be 19 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 3: going back to a police station or to a mobile 20 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:10,199 Speaker 3: unit somewhere around where you go back into a secondary test. 21 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 3: It's changed a little bit now they're able to do 22 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 3: that test on the scene in the back of the 23 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 3: police car, and then I asked him what was the 24 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 3: result of that test. He said, there was no result. 25 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:19,839 Speaker 3: They don't give you a positive or negative at that time. 26 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 3: What they did was would seal it in a bag 27 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 3: and said, if you haven't taken drugs, you've got nothing 28 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 3: to worry about. 29 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 4: Gus, he said, the police officers said your test were positive, 30 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 4: and he's telling you that he tested negative. 31 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 3: He thought, yeah, that's right. That's the one part there 32 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 3: that I said to him. In his mind, he felt 33 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 3: it was inconclusive. The policeman did say to him that 34 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 3: you have a positive here for a positive indication of cocaine, 35 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 3: which is I don't convict on that one. They have 36 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 3: to go and get the other one. So he went 37 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 3: back to his car. There was still rubbish on top 38 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 3: of his roof from the initial test. He said, Boss, 39 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 3: what do I do with this? He said, distrolled in 40 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 3: the bin. Best the luck on your way, got in 41 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 3: the car and drove at least. 42 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 5: Still at the scene. When he decided to get the 43 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 5: car and. 44 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 3: Right man, he says, yes, one hundred percent, I've ruled 45 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 3: him on that. Josh came and reported to this to 46 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 3: us straight away. As far as he was concerned at 47 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 3: the time, that would be the end of the matter. 48 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 5: Anyone know that he left that night, n. 49 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 3: I think he said he went down the road to 50 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 3: get a phone charger at one of the easy marks 51 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 3: or something like that, So sounded pretty innocent to me. 52 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 3: I don't think he's deliberately misled me or lied to me. 53 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 3: Probably didn't give me the whole version of what had 54 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 3: happened there on the night. Till that sample comes out, 55 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 3: none of us are going to know. He limped off 56 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 3: the field in the last ten minutes of the Thursday 57 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 3: night session, so he was playing up until Thursday night 58 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 3: for the Saturday game. Did he lie to us? Well, 59 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 3: I'm convincing Josh's mind that he didn't think we'd ever 60 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 3: hear about this. Do I think he was deliberately lying 61 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 3: to me to mislead me. Nah, that's Josh. If it 62 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 3: comes back positive, Josh will have to explain to us 63 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 3: how it got any system because he's ardament at the moment, 64 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 3: and I mean vehemently ardament that he hasn't taken the drugs. 65 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 3: I hope he's proven innocent. I hope. I hope. Everything 66 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 3: he's telling me is hard to present. 67 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: Right phone charge to drug test ninety six hours that 68 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 1: could change cars life. 69 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 5: Feel good. 70 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: They're facing the music and very forthcoming in that press 71 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: conference today, Gordy, it's been a big twenty four hours 72 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 1: for the club, the Bulldogs and also Josh. 73 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 2: What's your thoughts. 74 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 5: Well, I reckon it's well handled there by Phil Good. 75 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 5: I just wish that well. I reckon he wishes that 76 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 5: he knew on Friday night so he could have got 77 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 5: ahead of it. But the truth will come out. I 78 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 5: think Josh had our car is innocent until proven guilty 79 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 5: by the police. But I think it's a smart decision, 80 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 5: so there's no distraction in the club's biggest game in 81 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 5: the recent five years. I think it's a smart decision 82 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 5: to stand him down so there's no distractions. 83 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: You wrote this article, so you've got some details for 84 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: us on the events that have taken place. 85 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 86 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 6: Look, look, there's no running away from it. This is 87 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 6: a nightmare for the Dogs to be handling. As Gordy said, 88 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 6: in what is their first final series since twenty sixteen, 89 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 6: they're star wing up hugely popular among the fan base 90 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 6: to be dealing with this. 91 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 7: What I will say is that was a seventeen minute. 92 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 6: Press conference today from Phil Gould, and what was clear 93 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 6: to me, guys, is that Gus is running the bulldogs 94 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 6: the way he got on this front foot from the out, 95 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 6: from the from the get go in answering every question, 96 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 6: and as we saw there where Gus where Gus didn't 97 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 6: really know if Josh was telling the truth. He admitted 98 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 6: it as much whether Josh is being forthcoming as as 99 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 6: what he. 100 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 7: Is what he knows. 101 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 1: He often said, in Josh's mind, that's right, this is 102 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: what his thoughts was. He didn't say he lied or 103 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 1: was receiving. He didn't believe that, but he said in 104 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: Josh's mind. He said that two or three times out 105 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 1: of the press conference. 106 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 6: To God's point, Josh is vehement that he has not 107 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 6: taken any form of drugs. And now the process begins, 108 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 6: of which guys, can take weeks. And what I'm talking 109 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 6: about is the secondary sample which will be conducted in 110 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 6: a laboratory to determine whether he is actually positive. 111 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: Did you talk us through the actual procedure because there's 112 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: confusion around this. Yeah, a lot of people get pulled 113 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 1: over and tested for drugs, alcohol, but this was a 114 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 1: little bit unusual, can you talk. 115 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,359 Speaker 6: So just after ten thirty on Friday night, Josh is 116 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 6: pulled over and undergone both an alcohol test and a 117 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 6: drug test. He is negative to alcohol, turns a positive 118 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 6: to a drug. Now, at that point an oral swab 119 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 6: is taken. And at that point also it is normal 120 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 6: procedure to undergo a secondary swab swab. Now, due to 121 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 6: unforeseen circumstances, of which is the police at the location 122 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 6: being called to a home invasion across town, that secondary 123 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 6: swab isn't taken. Now, this is where it will get 124 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 6: interesting on whether the oral swab stands up from Josh's 125 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 6: point of view, if it comes back positive. Now, we 126 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 6: have seen false positives in the past. Josh Reynolds is 127 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:10,039 Speaker 6: a perfect example. So look, time will only tell here 128 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 6: and for now, the Bulldogs sat down with Josh Adoka 129 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 6: and said, look, you've got two decisions here. 130 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 7: You can play this Sunday or you can stand down 131 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 7: for the term. 132 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 2: Come you Carauls. 133 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 1: And this is a bit off the cuff, But why 134 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: wouldn't have Josh told Gus that it was a positive test, 135 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 1: And why are you tell him what was a negative? 136 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 2: Because that's where it's a bit murky. 137 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 8: I get the feeling breath there's a lot of twists 138 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:43,799 Speaker 8: and turns to come in this story as it. 139 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 9: Unfolds in the weeks to come. 140 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 8: Gus alluded to the fact today that aside from this drama, 141 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 8: there's some personal matters going on in Josh's life that 142 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 8: you know, people aren't prepared to talk about at the moment, 143 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 8: But I get the feeling that there's going to be 144 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 8: further developments down the track. Why Josh said that, Who knows. 145 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 8: He might have misunderstood what he'd been told by the police. 146 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 8: The fact that he was allowed to then go and 147 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 8: drive away. He may have easily misunderstood that. And I 148 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 8: agree with what Gordon said also, there is a presumption 149 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 8: of innocence in this country and he's entitled to that. 150 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 8: I think the Bulldogs have made the right call. Well, 151 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 8: Josh has made the right call by standing down this weekend, 152 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 8: and Guss's leadership has been simply outstanding. You know, he 153 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 8: stood front and center. He looked after the player as 154 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 8: best he could. He looked after the club's best interest. 155 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 8: He took the pressure off the coach, He took the 156 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 8: pressure off the team and allowed them to focus on 157 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 8: what's at. 158 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 9: Hand, and it's just been it's been outstanding, good. 159 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: Example of leadership in the way that Guss has handled this. 160 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: Now another question, Dave, Why did Josh leave the hotel 161 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: when the rest of the team were at the hotel? 162 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 7: Yeah, so, Brath. 163 00:07:56,200 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 6: It's my understanding was he left Soll coaching staff and 164 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 6: injured players attended last Friday Nights Roosters South's match at 165 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,239 Speaker 6: a Course stadium due to the fact that the team 166 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 6: was staying at the Pullman Hotel adjacent to the stadium. 167 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 6: I understand Josh left the stadium at halftime for what 168 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 6: Gus has explained for a phone charger, and that's the. 169 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 7: Explanation at this point. A phone charge that's the explanation. 170 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 5: Broth. 171 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 2: Okay, so that's a bit odd. I don't know. 172 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 5: I'm not saying that he's not doing. You think a 173 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 5: teammate would have a phone charger. You think someone in 174 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 5: the stadium would have a phone charger And it shouldn't 175 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 5: be that important. Should it live for forty minutes without 176 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 5: your phone? I'd suggest, all right. 177 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:45,199 Speaker 1: So he's been stood down, Well, he stood himself down 178 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: for this week. 179 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 2: Does he play next week, well that win, Well that's right. 180 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 6: So if they do advance past Manly, that was the 181 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 6: question raised at the press conference, what do you do 182 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 6: with joshadow Car next week, of which Gus actually didn't 183 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 6: really want to go down until they have to cross 184 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 6: that bridge. Under the current CBA, under the current NRL regulations, 185 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 6: there is nothing stopping Josh Adocar playing this Sunday and or. 186 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 7: Next weekend should the Bulldogs advance. So yeah, it was led. 187 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 6: It was led to believe that let's take the air 188 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 6: out of the balloon as far as this preparation is 189 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 6: concerned for this Sunday, in this matter, whether they have 190 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,599 Speaker 6: the whether Josh the club decide that he's fit to 191 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 6: play the following weekend, only time will tell. 192 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: But if we don't have the result by he won't 193 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: have it brave, So I would I would look, I 194 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: won't say that play. 195 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 8: I think the right decisions being made for his mental 196 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 8: welfare this week. It would have been very hard to 197 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 8: deal with what's going on in his life and then 198 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,079 Speaker 8: go out and perform to his best for the team. 199 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 8: But if he's in a better state next week and 200 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 8: there's still nothing known, because I do believe he is 201 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,079 Speaker 8: a massive loss for the club. Like in that game 202 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 8: the other day he set up two tries. Know his 203 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 8: speed is a weapon and without him, the Bulldogs aren't 204 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 8: as good at tea. 205 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:08,719 Speaker 5: It was the fact the reason the NRL step in 206 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:09,559 Speaker 5: do they step in. 207 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 6: At all, only at which point they have a matter 208 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 6: in front of them of where Josh has been charged 209 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 6: on an account in this there's been no charges laid Gordy, 210 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 6: so there's nothing the NRL can step in and do 211 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 6: at this point in time. 212 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 7: The Dogs to they leave it with the club. 213 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 6: The club have taken the initiative here and which was 214 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 6: Josh is not playing? 215 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,839 Speaker 5: One example was Latrell Mitchell charged. 216 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 8: Or different circumstances though well know the difference is that 217 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 8: Latrell was photographed and the photograph appeared and he was 218 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 8: never found to have taken any illegal substance, But it 219 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 8: was the damage to the game's reputation by that photo 220 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 8: being released. In this situation, it's an ongoing police investigation 221 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 8: and as we spoke about previously, there's. 222 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 9: A presumption of innocence. 223 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 8: Things can happen, you know, these false positives can come back. 224 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:00,359 Speaker 9: Things. Can you know that I think I think it's important. 225 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 8: For the NRL to sit back and take time to 226 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 8: judge this and judge it on what they know. 227 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,839 Speaker 1: Josh at this point in time is innocent. He's innocent 228 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: until proven guilty. We've said that a number of times already. 229 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 1: But if he is found guilty, if there is a 230 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: test that is returned the second test returns positive, will 231 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: they sack him? Given that not only is it positive, 232 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,719 Speaker 1: but he also, if it is positive, has lied to 233 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: the club. 234 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 8: Well, he says he hasn't lied. It's been a misunderstand 235 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 8: but I'm saying, if it's positive, it is positive, Well, 236 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,839 Speaker 8: the club's in a difficult situation because look, he's one 237 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 8: of their higher paid players. He's a senior player at 238 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 8: the club. He's supposed to be a leader, and if 239 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 8: he lets him down on that front, it would be 240 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 8: hard to stand by him. Also, think you'd love to 241 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 8: see the day where the game took a tougher stance 242 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 8: against players who have tested positive. I think, you know, 243 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 8: it is a society problem drugs, but it's also a 244 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 8: problem that I think the game could confront better. I 245 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 8: think that you know, young men on building sites, if 246 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 8: they ever test positive to a drug, they're not allowed 247 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 8: to work, they lose their jobs. You know, Rugby league 248 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,079 Speaker 8: players are in a very similar situation where they're out 249 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 8: there in a dangerous workforce too. 250 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 6: I said earlier that joshadow Car is hugely popular among 251 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 6: the Bulldogs fan base, of which he is, but with 252 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 6: that comes huge influence. 253 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 7: And when you're an influential. 254 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 6: Player of what joshadow Car is on that footy club, 255 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 6: on the game within the community, in front of young kids, 256 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,079 Speaker 6: I think when you are weighing up whether. 257 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 7: It to terminate someone's contract, breath, that has to come. 258 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 6: Into it about the role that you play within this club, 259 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 6: you actually are held at a higher account in my eyes, 260 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 6: given the influence that you have at that footy club. 261 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 6: Not only that it takes up a huge chunk of 262 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 6: the salary cap. 263 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 1: I just added the line bit because if it is 264 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: a second positive, it makes it worse. 265 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 2: The fact that he has said that it was negative, and. 266 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 5: Well, I think Gus distance himself. He said what he believes. 267 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 5: He doesn't mean that Gust believes that he said what 268 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 5: Josh believed. 269 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 2: And he's told the club he hasn't taken drugs. 270 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 6: The timeline's going to be fascinating guys, because in covering 271 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:21,719 Speaker 6: the braidon Trindle situation earlier this year, it was it 272 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 6: was relayed that that was that ability to get his 273 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 6: second sample back at the time was between six to 274 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:29,439 Speaker 6: twelve weeks. 275 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 7: And look, the lab might not be. 276 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 6: As full at the moment, so it's going to be 277 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,199 Speaker 6: interesting to see whether that's a similar timeline here. 278 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: All right, let's change tact and talk some positive. Finals 279 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: footy is here and the big guns back on deck. 280 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: Eight teams, four games live and i'd break free on 281 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 1: Fox League bringing on. 282 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 10: How good is it when your team makes the playoffs 283 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 10: to a place where nothing else matters and every point counts? 284 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 11: Yep, that's right. How plefort you are? NRL Finals footy 285 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 11: in all exploring. 286 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 10: Beginning six point thirty Friday night, an absolute cracker, so big, 287 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 10: Look who's making his comeback, the. 288 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 11: Best player in the game. 289 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: The more intensive games get, and the bigger the games get, 290 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: the more important the simple things get. Real simple game plan, 291 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: especially against this team that start hard and then a 292 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: match with them. 293 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 10: Nathan Cleary back to Ley, the premiership hungry Panthers against. 294 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 11: This mob, most of whom couldn't find. 295 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 10: Penrith with a GPS, so they bring these roosters out 296 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 10: from Bondai. 297 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 11: On a bus. 298 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 10: Dylan Edwards versus Teddy to Desko plus all the big 299 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 10: fellas up front on the rampage. 300 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 9: This is Rugby Lake Folks. 301 00:14:58,440 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 11: Settle down Boys. 302 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 10: Super Saturday beginning at three point thirty Another qualifying final. 303 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 10: It's the Storm and the Sharks, thunder and lightning, very 304 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 10: very frightening. Melbourne versus Postcard perfect Cromulla. Two teams worlds away, 305 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 10: Pappenhausen and Hughes, Munster and Grant up against Nico Hines. 306 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 10: It's back to form and what about this new kid 307 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 10: Daniel Atkinson. 308 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 11: Goodness, that's him. Then a Super Saturday. 309 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 10: Eliminator, a get up, We'll get out of town. Sudden 310 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 10: death now will never showdown. The Cowboys and the Knights, 311 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 10: North Queensland versus Newcastle Drinkwater did what about Tommy did? 312 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 10: Rub and Cotter from wayback taking on a former local 313 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 10: in kaylen. 314 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 11: Ponger, a super athlete in. 315 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 10: The form of Bradman Best and let you sharp a new. 316 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 11: Kid with old intentions. 317 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 10: What Sunday at three point thirty more sudden death. It's 318 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 10: the Bulldogs in their first finals appearance. Since twenty sixteen, 319 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 10: Canny Banks down versus merely we ringer, the Bulldogs and. 320 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 11: The Seagulls the starter as turbos back talk time fuck ready. 321 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 10: To fly and finally Stephen Crichton has canna read back 322 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 10: where they belong. September just has a different feel when 323 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 10: the Bulldogs are in the hunt and. 324 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 11: We're here now, So here we go. Welcome to Finals 325 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 11: Footy twenty twenty four. 326 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 10: Live best of the best right here on Fox Looms. 327 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 2: How good is that. 328 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 9: Finals are here? 329 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: Let's take a look at a tad team selections for 330 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: Finals Week one for the Panthers, Nathan Cleary returns from 331 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:05,439 Speaker 1: that shoulder injury, Young Tupo, Butcher and Collins return for 332 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: the Roosters. Papanaw isn't the play after that injury in 333 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: around twenty six Sherry Burton back in the starting side 334 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 1: for the Bulldogs and Tom Chaboyevich with that ac injury 335 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: to the shoulder, named to return but will start with 336 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 1: a big one. Cleary is back for the Panthers, going 337 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 1: for four premierships in a row crawl. 338 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 8: It's incredible, isn't it? Like he's I don't think we 339 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 8: can doubt Nathan anymore. Every situation he just turns up. 340 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 8: There's not a player in the game that puts in 341 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:39,880 Speaker 8: better preparation. He's a clutch player. He handles the big 342 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 8: moments better than anyone and even even with a bunk 343 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,360 Speaker 8: strip shoulder, he's a massive in for the Panthers. 344 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 5: Yeah. I remember him coming back what a couple of 345 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 5: weeks ago, kick the field goal against the Dolphins. I 346 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,880 Speaker 5: think he was there for eight weeks or whatever. So yeah, 347 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 5: they need him. I think game management, running game. Obviously defensively, 348 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 5: he's going to get targeted, but I think he'll handle 349 00:17:59,440 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 5: it well. 350 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 2: You mentioned targeted. 351 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: He's coming up against Crichton this weekend and I think 352 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: a few of the Rusters have said that he's going 353 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 1: to be going at Nathan, so he'll be tested. 354 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 5: Well. 355 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,399 Speaker 6: We saw Angus's performance last weekend against South Sydney. 356 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 7: I mean, he was just a man on a mission 357 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:16,360 Speaker 7: and he has been all year. 358 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 6: To be fair, and I think it would be ridiculous 359 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 6: to think that Angus and the Roosters won't be targeting Nathan, 360 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 6: And to be fair, I don't I don't see how 361 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 6: Nathan's going to be one hundred percent. 362 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 7: There's going to be some damage there. 363 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, that was two front rollers there that he went through. Yeah, 364 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 5: he's made the way he's playing at the moment, the 365 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 5: way he's going to and that's new. And that's not 366 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 5: some on disrespect to Nathan clear I think it's showing respect. 367 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 5: I think if they beat Pendin, they need to take 368 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 5: as much of Nathan Cleary's confidence out. 369 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 2: Of it, take his time and space off. 370 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 5: You need time and space making. 371 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 2: You have to. You have to pressure him. 372 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: Now, you mentioned that he won't be one hundred percent cruels, 373 00:18:57,640 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: you're concerned a little bit about his return. 374 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,120 Speaker 8: But what I found interesting is that look the tackle 375 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 8: where he popped his shoulder in the game against Melbourne. 376 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 8: If you watch this closer, King puts his hands around 377 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 8: him and there's another angle to this tackle where you 378 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 8: can actually see and I'm not saying it's an illegal tackle, 379 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 8: but it shows how easily this popped out and he'd 380 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 8: been carrying this injury. He clutches his hands, he pulls 381 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 8: them together as Nathan tries to push off the ground. 382 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 8: I imagine that's when he's injured his shoulder, because he 383 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 8: was all right up until that point. So it kind 384 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 8: of shows you how easy it can happen. He hasn't 385 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 8: had surgery. He's coming back not at one hundred percent, 386 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 8: which the club has admitted. 387 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 9: And Angus Crichton. 388 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 8: Would look at that tackle and think beauty will give 389 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 8: that a go too, Wouldn't. 390 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: You think it's a good point, you mate, because they've 391 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 1: managed and monitored this injury for the whole year. Apparently 392 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: he didn't in the preseason, so he hasn't had surgery, 393 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: and I believe he will after season's end. 394 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 2: So this is an example of he. 395 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,959 Speaker 1: Could come back week one, to your point, Cruls, and 396 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: it could happen again, Listen, that's worst case scenario, but 397 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 1: it's a possibility. So it's going to be interesting to 398 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: see how he does hold up this week. 399 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:06,919 Speaker 2: Rdie. 400 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 5: Absolutely, and obviously it's not a bump and barge injury. 401 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:13,919 Speaker 5: It's more of a grabbing and a holding, so and 402 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 5: there's no doubt. Look I'm not a doctor, but that 403 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 5: can't be one hundred percent. It can't be fully fit 404 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 5: can well? 405 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 7: As I said, I don't think. 406 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 6: I don't think it can be either, particularly when you've 407 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 6: considered the postseason surgeries. 408 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 7: Definitely on the radar as well. Now we're going to 409 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 7: learn a lot. 410 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 6: About Jerome Leuiye guys like in this situation for everything 411 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 6: we're talking about, if the roosters are coming after the 412 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 6: star half, then then what is Leui going to do? 413 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 7: He has to take pressure off Nathan. 414 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 2: He has to he probably will. 415 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 6: And everything we've learned already about Jerome stepping up this season, 416 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:51,640 Speaker 6: it's about to go to another level. 417 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 7: In my eyes. 418 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 9: They've also got Isaiah Yo Dylan Edwards. They're a champion. 419 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 8: Team that knows more about this time of the year 420 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 8: than any of their current teams, and and they know 421 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 8: they have it in them to go to the next level. 422 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 8: And with those sort of that that cattle around like 423 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:10,640 Speaker 8: we're seeing isaaa this year. 424 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 5: He's been quite incredible, even Brandy said. But they have 425 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 5: struggled the last six weeks. Normally when they've gone in 426 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 5: they've just been on cruise control waiting for this time 427 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,360 Speaker 5: of year. I'm not saying that they're limping in, but 428 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 5: they're not like they're not on cruise control where they've 429 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 5: been in the past. I'm not saying they can't win. 430 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 8: Even in that game against Melbourne though before before Nathan's injury, 431 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 8: they were off their game a bit that day, Melbourne 432 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 8: were taking their time. Nathan looked a little bit, you know, 433 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,919 Speaker 8: unsure on a couple of occasions, so did others in 434 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 8: the team. They're probably not at the level they were 435 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 8: in previous years, but they do have the runs on 436 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 8: the ball. 437 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:47,239 Speaker 1: We're going to find out this weekend and we're going 438 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: to talk more footy, but we have to touch on this. 439 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: Adam G has been dumped for a Week one of 440 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 1: the finals. Now, Adam G referee the Grand Finals most 441 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 1: of us would remember in one of the best performances 442 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: by referee, say ever, at least in the last decade. 443 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 1: It was handled brilliantly by him and full of praise 444 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 1: by the rugby league world, and then all of a 445 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: sudden a year later he's not even in refereeing Week 446 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: one of the finals day. 447 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 7: You find it surprising, I really do. 448 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 6: For everything you just said about the Grand Final and 449 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 6: last week last week's performance too mainly Sharks handled that well. 450 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 7: I don't, I can't. 451 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 6: We don't get a grasp on what the narel are 452 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:29,719 Speaker 6: looking for. 453 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 7: As far as. 454 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 5: Hold on another Courties game on the weekend, it was 455 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 5: won by the players, it wasn't won by the referee, 456 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 5: right so I watched it. He's a free flying referee. 457 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 5: He's the closest that I've watched the Bill Harrigan where 458 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 5: the game and the players can work it out. Yeah, 459 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 5: they all make mistakes. Everybody makes mistakes. I'm surprising that 460 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 5: he's not in the best four referees in our game. 461 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 8: It's akin to Bill Harrigan in his prime getting dropped 462 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 8: for the finals. Because Jee's performance in the Ground Final 463 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 8: last year probably ranks in the Grand Final of best 464 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 8: referee performances. Then he did the end of season tests, 465 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 8: then he went to Vegas, and then along the way 466 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 8: he fell off a cliff. 467 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 5: What do you reckon? 468 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 1: I was about to say, does anyone here have any 469 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: reason why he would not be referee this week? 470 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 2: I can't think of one. 471 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 5: Everybody should have thought that he could have been the 472 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 5: origin referee, should have been. 473 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 1: So no one's hurt any mail out of the referees camp, 474 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: out of any of the Nothing. 475 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 6: No, no, And it would be nice to get some 476 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:33,679 Speaker 6: insight into why. 477 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: Has the game changed that much over twenty out of 478 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: twelve months that that he doesn't suit the real book? 479 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:40,120 Speaker 5: Have they? 480 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 8: It's like you said, Gordon, that game on the weekend. 481 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 8: We weren't talking about controversies coming out of the CRDOLLA game. 482 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,120 Speaker 9: It just seems like it's puzzling. 483 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 2: It is. 484 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: It's mind boggling, and we don't have the answers here. 485 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: Maybe someone else does. If you do, let us know. 486 00:23:56,119 --> 00:24:00,360 Speaker 1: Given the injuries, will the Roosters hit the player get 487 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:04,880 Speaker 1: talking about significant injuries for the Rusters that will go 488 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,360 Speaker 1: well and truly into next season. Brandon Smith and Walker 489 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: and not so much with Victor Radley, but they're going 490 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: to be short in the spine. Anyone here anything coming 491 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 1: out of the Rooster's camp on who they may be 492 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 1: looking at or looking to purchase. 493 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 8: I put it to a couple of people at the 494 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 8: Roosters today, names that probably get banded about at the 495 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 8: moment too in my view, that they've got a problem 496 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 8: with Brandon Smith next year. Brandon's off contract at the 497 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 8: end of the year, as I'm led to believe, he 498 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 8: gets a significant upgrade in his contract for next season, 499 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 8: but he is off contract. He hasn't had his ACL 500 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 8: knee surgery at this point in time because his MCL's 501 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 8: got a mend before he has his ACL, so he'll 502 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 8: be out until at least July. The Roosters, as we know, 503 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 8: are a team that like to go into a season 504 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 8: with all bases covered. They've got some good young guys 505 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 8: coming through the system. Are they ready for an real yet? 506 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 9: I don't know. 507 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 8: You've got Connor Watson that can fill the bridge. But 508 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 8: is Connor you know, a genuine nine? 509 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 9: No, he's not. 510 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 8: You look at a guy like Ben Hunt. Now, Ben 511 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 8: Hunt's just comes through his seventh season at the Dragons. 512 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 8: In that period they've they've made one Finals appearance in 513 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,919 Speaker 8: two thousand and eighteen. I think I'll be shocked if 514 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 8: Ben Hunt stays at the Dragons next year, because I 515 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 8: think that club has to look at themselves and think, 516 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 8: we're at a time do we move on Ben Hunt 517 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 8: not as a halfback, but as a nine or all 518 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 8: either all but would be a did a great accent 519 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 8: if the if the Roosters could have. 520 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 5: Filled him Chad Townsend sitting there at the place. 521 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 8: Yet, But I'm talking as a nine because they have 522 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 8: to find a nine to fill in for Brandon for 523 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 8: at least half the season. 524 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 9: The other guy who knows? Who knows? 525 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: I find that surprise And just before you get to 526 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,439 Speaker 1: the next one, Buzz mentioned a few weeks ago. His 527 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: thoughts opinion was that if he wanted to leave, the 528 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 1: Dragons would let him go. 529 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 8: So then it would come down if a club like 530 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 8: the Roosters were interested, which I'm told they're not. But 531 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 8: you also look told you that, well you also look 532 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 8: at another player like Tyrone Wishart. Now, now come November one, 533 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 8: I have no doubt in the world Tyrone wish Art 534 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,199 Speaker 8: from the Storm will be one of the hottest players 535 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 8: on the market. I reckon he could walk into a 536 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 8: number of teams at the moment as a six or 537 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 8: a nine. He's got a great attitude. He reminds me 538 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 8: in many ways of Tom Didon. He's an all effort player. 539 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 8: He would fit into any system and the best systems 540 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,880 Speaker 8: if he chose to go down that path and leave 541 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 8: the Storm and could really look at a significant. 542 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 9: Pay up grade. 543 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 8: The only thing is, you know the Storm won't want 544 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 8: to release him for twenty. 545 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 5: Five I agree with that. 546 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: I feel like with Timmy telling around this, the Roosters 547 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 1: will have a loaded gun. They've got They've got a 548 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,919 Speaker 1: war chest there now, they've already had that. They've got 549 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 1: a lot of players leaving. Surely he let's be honest, 550 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: they're going to make you play someone. 551 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:02,360 Speaker 7: Yeah, I think so. 552 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 6: Look, I can't agree with you on Ben Hunt and 553 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 6: the Dragons because clubs make decisions on who they've got 554 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 6: and who can you get in to your ross the 555 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,880 Speaker 6: next year? Crawls and how I don't see how there's 556 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 6: any available half back on the market that can still 557 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 6: hold their gloves up like Ben Hunt for Saints next season. 558 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 6: And I don't see them making a play unless they did, 559 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 6: unless they just wiped it down and started with King Taga. 560 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 8: And Ben Hunt has great statistics, right, but the fact 561 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 8: of the matter is the club. The club has been 562 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 8: treading water for a while now. He wasn't at his 563 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 8: best in the big games that mattered at the end 564 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 8: of the season, and at some stage the Dragons are 565 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,400 Speaker 8: going to have to look at that and think do 566 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 8: we have to take a step back to go two steps? 567 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: But are they more chance of making the eight or 568 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: winning a comp without Ben Hunt next year? 569 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 9: They didn't make the eight this. 570 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 2: Year, But are they more of a chance if they 571 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 2: get rid of him? What's the options? 572 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 8: Well, the option is to in my opinion, he's on 573 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 8: big money. He's done a good job, but look they haven't. 574 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 8: They haven't a swap. They could, they could do that. 575 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 8: Brandon Smith might be looking for a contract. The other 576 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 8: problem with Wishart and Buzz mentioned a couple of weeks 577 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 8: ago as a potential to the Dragons. Well, he wasn't 578 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 8: wanted at the Dragons. I think some people do see 579 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 8: him as a better nine than a six down the track, 580 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 8: and the Dragons have gone and signed Damien Cook for 581 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 8: two years. 582 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 9: So I don't know. 583 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 8: Look at you know what it's like breath. Anything could happen, 584 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 8: and as you said, we are dancing around it. We 585 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,120 Speaker 8: know the roosters will finish the season and they'll look 586 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 8: at where they stand and they'll probably make a decision. 587 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: It's hard to think that they'll they'll just go with 588 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: Sid dormant until July next year. 589 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 2: It's hard. 590 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: I just can't believe that would happen. So we'll just 591 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: I suppose we'll see Crawls. What should be for the week? 592 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 2: Be for the week? 593 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 8: Well, you know you guys, had you say last night 594 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 8: on on the Dolphins, no try And I understand where 595 00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 8: you come from, Gordy Braith, but you both have an 596 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 8: opinion of that try and you did think it was 597 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 8: a legitimate obstruction. Then on the other side of the coin, 598 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 8: you have a stack of other people who support better. 599 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 8: Joey phil Gould, Michael Lennis said it on Fox. Paul 600 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 8: Gallon said it last night. There's a stack of people 601 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 8: out there. And where I stand is, if you guys 602 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 8: are confused, where is the fan in this? 603 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 9: And this is where the frustration comes from. 604 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 8: And in this instance, Cogga bytes in here right, Cogger 605 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 8: causes contact. Cogger's the reason that comes and where I 606 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 8: have an issue and where I reckon. A lot of 607 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 8: fans are really confused about this, just in recent weeks. 608 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 8: I look back at a couple of instances today and 609 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 8: in the Storm Panthers game, horrible call, the Storm scored 610 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 8: a try from a scrum where Jack Howis ran the 611 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 8: lead line. He bowled over Nathan Cleary on the outside shoulder. 612 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 9: The Storm go through. 613 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 8: This doesn't even get checked, This just goes try confirmed. 614 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 8: I think Cooper Kronk was in the box commentary box 615 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 8: that night and he was in disbelief. But if the 616 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 8: tray fuller try isn't a try, how is that a try? 617 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 9: Then I think it was either the previous week I 618 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 9: think it was. 619 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 5: The previous week Brady Jones gets knocked over the rape. 620 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 5: I'm not saying it's not a bad rue. 621 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 9: It's a cleary. 622 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 8: It wasn't a bad call because the NRL supported it, 623 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 8: and the other one I want I wanted to have 624 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 8: a look at was in the Paramatta Penrith game, and 625 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 8: if I remember correctly, Trent Barrett at the time blew 626 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 8: up about this. Now again, Lolliam Martin goes through I 627 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 8: think Blaze to Lungey. 628 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 9: They've said initiated that contact. 629 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 8: Martin fell into dejah Nasi and that's why the NRL 630 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 8: said this was the right call. 631 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 9: But again, if. 632 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 8: In this instance what CHARSI go straight on his back bang, 633 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 8: no chance? 634 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:58,479 Speaker 9: So he goes through the gap. 635 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 8: If that is to try, why isn't the other one 636 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 8: to try? 637 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 5: That's right? So they got that one wrong. 638 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 9: But they say not Gordy. 639 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,719 Speaker 8: This is this is where the confusion comes. 640 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 2: You've been working today. Crawl give it a game, Crawls. 641 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 7: I love both for the week. I wait all week 642 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 7: for booth for the. 643 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 9: Week, and can I have it? 644 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 6: However, continue, however, what is your answer? Because blowing up 645 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 6: the bunker is isn't it I think, I. 646 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 8: Truly think you guys looked at the rules last night 647 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 8: and by the letter of the law. I said it 648 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 8: the other day it was a no try. But there 649 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 8: has to be some common sense, Dave, because when you 650 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 8: have so many people with great rugby league knowledge confused, 651 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 8: how that can be disallowed? 652 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 5: Confused? You've got it shitty because he lost, right, there's 653 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 5: about twenty. 654 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 4: Five Joey John's man, I don't have to agree with 655 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 4: it because you say Wayne shitty because he lost. Joey 656 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 4: John Newcastle commentary. I said, no one loves Newcastle more 657 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 4: than me. But that's a grand core that's so wrong. 658 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 5: So out of the twenty five tackles that I mean 659 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 5: tri as we see every weekend, there's three that we 660 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 5: pick up from the last five weeks. 661 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 9: Okay, three tra Let's let's continue one though, because. 662 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 5: Number seventeen gets knocked over and it happened to. 663 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 8: Other two in the NRL support get decision. That's where 664 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 8: the inconsistently comes from. That that's six points. So then 665 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 8: you go, if that is awarded, this is where the 666 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 8: Dolphins have we want one. 667 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 5: Of those scored against him every week where no where I. 668 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 9: Here isn't about. 669 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 5: Supporting run and I just take out of What will 670 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 5: happen is I'll run, and I'll just start taking out 671 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 5: players and we'll get into another Your. 672 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 9: Trying to make about I'm. 673 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 5: Making it about what i'd do. I'm making it about me. 674 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 5: I'd take Rikio out and then you're isolated, so I'll 675 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 5: just keep on taking them out of me. 676 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 8: I don't know how they score because mate Levy Ellie 677 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 8: was running at the gap, Cogger moved in took his space. 678 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 8: I don't know from here on how that happens in 679 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 8: those two that were awarded this anyway. 680 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 5: I get it all right. 681 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 1: We could argue all but I'm boys, thank you cruels, 682 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: think you we argue for up there since the players 683 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: perspective of Little Chambers and Wade Graham and this Sunday 684 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: once in a lifetime event UFC throughout six live from 685 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: the Sphere in Las Vegas and the only place you 686 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 1: can watch it. 687 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 2: He's our main event.