1 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: Welcome to n and I was very sixty rough league 2 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,279 Speaker 1: from every angle, brought to you by Tell Fast joining 3 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:17,639 Speaker 1: me again the great Gordon Tallas. 4 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:19,279 Speaker 2: It's been the Journal Australian Paul. 5 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: Crawley and Dave Ricky O Bulldogs general manager Phil Gould 6 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: has clarified details around Josh ada Car's roadside drug test 7 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: in what's become a massive distraction for the Canterbury club 8 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: on the eve of their first finals campaign in eight years. 9 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 3: Obviously, this is not the way we wanted to start 10 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 3: this special week for the club, our first time in 11 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 3: the finals since twenty sixteen, in our club performing so 12 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 3: well this year. Josh, as far as he's concerned, he's 13 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 3: done nothing wrong. You can't understand why he tested positives 14 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 3: once at the scene of this roadside test on Friday night. However, 15 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 3: had the initial roadside test, which test showed an indication 16 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 3: pour K. So he said, you're under arrest for the 17 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 3: purpose of a secondary test. 18 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 4: Now. 19 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 3: Normally, and this is where he got confusing for us. 20 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 3: Normally that would be going back to a police station 21 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 3: or to a mobile unit somewhere around where you go 22 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 3: back into a secondary test. It's changed a little bit 23 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 3: now they're able to do that test on the scene 24 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 3: in the back of the police car, and then I 25 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 3: asked him what was the result of that test. He said, 26 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 3: there was no result. They don't give you a positive 27 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 3: or negative at that time. What they did was would 28 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 3: seal it in a bag and said, if you haven't 29 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 3: taken drugs, you've got nothing to worry about. 30 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 5: Gus, he said, the police officers said your test were positive, 31 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 5: and he's telling you that he tested negative. 32 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 3: He thought, yeah, that's right. That's the one part there 33 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 3: that I said to him. In his mind, he felt 34 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 3: it was inconclusive. The policeman did say to him that 35 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 3: you have a positive here for a positive indication of cocaine, 36 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 3: which is I don't convict on that one. They have 37 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 3: to go and get the other one. So he went 38 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 3: back to his car. There was still rubbish on top 39 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 3: of his roof from the initial test. He said, Boss, 40 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 3: what do I do with this? He said, dis rolled 41 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 3: in the bin, best the luck on your way, got 42 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 3: in the car and drove at least. 43 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 4: Still at the scene. When he decided to get the 44 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 4: car and right man. 45 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 3: He says, yes, one hundred percent, I've ruled him on that. 46 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 3: Josh came and reported to this to us straight away. 47 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 3: As far as he was concerned at the time, that 48 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 3: would be. 49 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 2: The end of the matter. 50 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 4: Anyone know that he left that night, n. 51 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 3: I think he said he went down the road to 52 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 3: get a phone charger at one of the easy marks 53 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 3: or something like that, So sounded pretty innocent to me. 54 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 3: I don't think he's deliberately misled me or lied to me. 55 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 3: Probably didn't give me the whole version of what had 56 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 3: happened there on the night. Till that sample comes out, 57 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 3: none of us are going to know. He limped off 58 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 3: the field in the last ten minutes of the Thursday 59 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 3: night session, so he was playing up until Thursday night 60 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:32,119 Speaker 3: for the Saturday game. Did he lie to us? Well, 61 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 3: I'm convincing Josh's mind that he didn't think we'd ever 62 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 3: hear about this, So I think he was deliberately lying 63 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 3: to me to mislead me. Nah, that's Josh. If it 64 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 3: comes back positive, Josh will have to explain to us 65 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 3: how it got any system because he's ardament at the moment, 66 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 3: and I mean vehemently arlament that he hasn't taken the drugs. 67 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 3: I hope he's proven innocent. I hope. I hope. Everything 68 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 3: he's telling me is hard to present. 69 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 1: Right phone charge on to drug test ninety six hours 70 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 1: that could change cars life. 71 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 2: Feel good. 72 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: They're facing the music and very forthcoming in that press 73 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: conference today, Gordy, it's been a big twenty four hours 74 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 1: for the club, the Bulldogs and also Josh. 75 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 2: What's your thoughts. 76 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 4: Well, I reckon it's well handled there by Phil Good. 77 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 4: I just wish that well. I reckon he wishes that 78 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 4: he knew on Friday night so he could have got 79 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 4: ahead of it. But the truth will come out. I 80 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 4: think Josh had our car is innocent until proven guilty 81 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 4: by the police. But I think it's a smart decision 82 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 4: so there's no distraction in the club's biggest game in 83 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 4: the recent five years. I think it's a smart decision 84 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 4: to stand him down so there's no distractions. 85 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: You wrote this article, so you've got some details for 86 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: us on the events that have taken place. 87 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 88 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 6: Look, look, there's no running away from it. This is 89 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 6: a nightmare for the Dogs to be handling. As Gordy said, 90 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 6: in what is their first final series since twenty sixteen, 91 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 6: they're star wing up hugely popular among the fan base 92 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 6: to be. 93 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 4: Dealing with this. 94 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 6: What I will say is that was a seventeen minute 95 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 6: press conference today from Phil Gould, and what was clear 96 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 6: to me, guys, is that Gus is running the bulldogs 97 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 6: the way he got on this front foot from the out, 98 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 6: from the from the get go in answering every question, 99 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 6: and as we saw there where Gus where Gus didn't 100 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 6: really know if Josh was telling the truth. He admitted 101 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 6: it as much whether Josh is being forthcoming as as 102 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 6: what he. 103 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 7: Is what he knows. 104 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 1: He often said, in Josh's mind, that's right, this is 105 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: what his thoughts was. He didn't say he lied or 106 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 1: was receiving. He didn't believe that, but he said in 107 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: Josh's mind. He said that two or three times out 108 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 1: of the press conference. 109 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 6: To God's point, Josh is vehement that he has not 110 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 6: taken any form of drugs. And now the process begins, 111 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 6: of which guys, can take weeks. And what I'm talking 112 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 6: about is the secondary sample which will be conducted in 113 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 6: a laboratory to determine whether he is actually positive. 114 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: Did you talk us through the actual procedure because there's 115 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: confusion around this. Yeah, a lot of people get pulled 116 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 1: over and tested for drugs, alcohol, but this was a 117 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 1: little bit unusual, can you talk. 118 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,359 Speaker 6: So just after ten thirty on Friday night, Josh is 119 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 6: pulled over and undergone both an alcohol test and a 120 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 6: drug test. He is negative to alcohol, turns a positive 121 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 6: to a drug. Now, at that point an oral swab 122 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 6: is taken. And at that point also it is normal 123 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 6: procedure to undergo a secondary swab swab. Now, due to 124 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 6: unforeseen circumstances, of which is the police at the location 125 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 6: being called to a home invasion across town, that secondary 126 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 6: swab isn't taken. Now, this is where it will get 127 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 6: interesting on whether the oral swab stands up from Josh's 128 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 6: point of view, if it comes back positive. Now, we 129 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 6: have seen false positives in the past. Josh Reynolds is 130 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:10,039 Speaker 6: a perfect example. So look, time will only tell here 131 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 6: and for now, the Bulldogs sat down with Josh Adoka 132 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 6: and said, look, you've got two decisions here. You can 133 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 6: play this Sunday or you can stand down for the term. 134 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 2: Come you Carauls. 135 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 1: And this is a bit off the cuff, But why 136 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: wouldn't have Josh told Gus that it was a positive test, 137 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 1: And why are you tell him what was a negative? 138 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 2: Because that's where it's a bit murky. 139 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 5: I get the feeling breath there's a lot of twists 140 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:43,799 Speaker 5: and turns to come in this story as it. 141 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 7: Unfolds in the weeks to come. 142 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 5: Gus alluded to the fact today that aside from this drama, 143 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 5: there's some personal matters going on in Josh's life that 144 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 5: you know, people aren't prepared to talk about at the moment, 145 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 5: But I get the feeling that there's going to be 146 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 5: further developments down the track. Why Josh said that, Who knows. 147 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 5: He might have misunderstood what he'd been told by the police. 148 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 5: The fact that he was allowed to then go and 149 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 5: drive away. He may have easily misunderstood that. And I 150 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 5: agree with what Gordon said also, there is a presumption 151 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 5: of innocence in this country and he's entitled to that. 152 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 5: I think the Bulldogs have made the right call. Well, 153 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 5: Josh has made the right call by standing down this weekend, 154 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 5: and Guss's leadership has been simply outstanding. You know, he 155 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 5: stood front and center. He looked after the player as 156 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 5: best he could. He looked after the club's best interest. 157 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 5: He took the pressure off the coach, He took the 158 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 5: pressure off the team and allowed them to focus on 159 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 5: what's at. 160 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 7: Hand, and it's just been it's been outstanding, good. 161 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: Example of leadership in the way that Guss has handled this. 162 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: Now another question, Dave, Why did Josh leave the hotel 163 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: when the rest of the team were at the hotel? 164 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 6: Yeah, so, brath It's my understanding was he left Soll 165 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 6: coaching staff and injured players attended last Friday Nights Roosters 166 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 6: South's match at a Course stadium due to the fact 167 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 6: that the team was staying at the Pullman Hotel adjacent 168 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 6: to the stadium. I understand Josh left the stadium at 169 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 6: halftime for what Gus has explained for a phone charger, 170 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 6: and that's the explanation at this point time to a 171 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 6: phone charge that's the explanation, Brothka, So that's. 172 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 2: A bit odd. I don't know. I'm not saying that 173 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 2: he's not going You think. 174 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 4: A teammate would have a phone charger. You think someone 175 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 4: in the stadium would have a phone charger, And it 176 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 4: shouldn't be that important. Should it live for forty minutes 177 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 4: without your phone? I'd suggest, all right. 178 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:45,199 Speaker 1: So he's been stood down, Well, he stood himself down 179 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: for this week. 180 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 2: Does he play next week. Well that win, Well that's right. 181 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 6: So if they do advance past Manly, that was the 182 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 6: question raised at the press conference, what do you do 183 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 6: with joshadow Car next week, of which Gus actually didn't 184 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 6: really want to go down until they have to cross 185 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 6: that bridge. Under the current CBA, under the current NRL regulations, 186 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:12,319 Speaker 6: there is nothing stopping Josh Adocar playing this Sunday and 187 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 6: or next weekend should the Bulldogs advance. 188 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 2: So yeah, it was led. 189 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 6: It was led to believe that let's take the air 190 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 6: out of the balloon as far as this preparation is 191 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 6: concerned for this Sunday, in this matter, whether they have 192 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,599 Speaker 6: the whether Josh the club decide that he's fit to 193 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 6: play the following weekend, only time will tell. 194 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 2: But if we don't have the result by he won't 195 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,839 Speaker 2: have it brave, So I would I would look. 196 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 7: I won't say that play. 197 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 5: I think the right decisions being made for his mental 198 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 5: welfare this week. It would have been very hard to 199 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 5: deal with what's going on in his life and then 200 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,079 Speaker 5: go out and perform to his best for the team. 201 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 5: But if he's in a better state next week and 202 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 5: there's still nothing known, because I do believe he is 203 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,079 Speaker 5: a massive loss for the club. Like in that game 204 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 5: the other day he set up two tries. Know his 205 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 5: speed is a weapon and without him, the Bulldogs aren't 206 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 5: as good at tea. 207 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:08,719 Speaker 4: It was the fact the reason the NRL step in 208 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:09,559 Speaker 4: do they step in. 209 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 6: At all, only at which point they have a matter 210 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 6: in front of them of where Josh has been charged 211 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 6: on an account in this there's been no charges laid Gordy, 212 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 6: so there's nothing the NRL can step in and do 213 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 6: at this point in time. 214 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 7: The Dogs to they leave it with the club. 215 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 6: The club have taken the initiative here and which was 216 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 6: Josh is not playing? 217 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,839 Speaker 4: One example was Latrell Mitchell charged. 218 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 5: Or different circumstances though well, the difference is that Latrell 219 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 5: was photographed and the photograph appeared and he was never 220 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 5: found to have taken any illegal substance, But it was 221 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 5: the damage to the game's reputation by that photo being released. 222 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 5: In this situation, it's an ongoing police investigation and as 223 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 5: we spoke about previously, there's. 224 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 7: A presumption of innocence. 225 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 5: Things can happen, you know, these false positives can come back. 226 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:00,359 Speaker 7: Things. Can you know that? I think I think it's important. 227 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 5: For the NRL to sit back and take time to 228 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 5: judge this and judge it on what they know. 229 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,839 Speaker 1: Josh at this point in time is innocent. He's innocent 230 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: until proven guilty. We've said that a number of times already. 231 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 1: But if he is found guilty, if there is a 232 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: test that is returned the second test returns positive, will 233 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: they sack him? Given that not only is it positive, 234 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,719 Speaker 1: but he also, if it is positive, has lied to 235 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: the club. 236 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 5: Well, he says he hasn't lied. It's been a misunderstand 237 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 5: but I'm saying, if it's positive, it is positive, Well, 238 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,839 Speaker 5: the club's in a difficult situation because look, he's one 239 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 5: of their higher paid players. He's a senior player at 240 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 5: the club. He's supposed to be a leader, and if 241 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 5: he lets him down on that front, it would be 242 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 5: hard to stand by him. Also, think you'd love to 243 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 5: see the day where the game took a tougher stance 244 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 5: against players who have tested positive. I think, you know, 245 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 5: it is a society problem drugs, but it's also a 246 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 5: problem that I think the game could confront better. I 247 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 5: think that you know, young men on building sites, if 248 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 5: they ever test positive to a drug, they're not allowed 249 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 5: to work, they lose their jobs. You know, Rugby league 250 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,079 Speaker 5: players are in a very similar situation where they're out 251 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 5: there in a dangerous workforce too. 252 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 6: I said earlier that joshadow Car is hugely popular among 253 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 6: the Bulldogs fan base, of which he is, but with 254 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 6: that comes huge influence. 255 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 7: And when you're an influential. 256 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 6: Player of what joshadow Car is on that footy club, 257 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 6: on the game within the community, in front of young kids, 258 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 6: I think when you are weighing up whether it to 259 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 6: terminate someone's contract, breath, that has to come into it 260 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 6: about the role that you play within this club, you 261 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 6: actually are held at a higher account in my eyes, 262 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 6: given the influence that you have at that footy club. 263 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 6: Not only that it takes up a huge chunk of 264 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 6: the salary cap. 265 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 1: I just added the line bit because if it is 266 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: a second positive, it makes it worse. 267 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 2: The fact that he has said that it was negative. 268 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 4: And well, I think Gus distance himself. He said what 269 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 4: he believes. He doesn't mean that Gust believes that he 270 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 4: said what Josh believed. 271 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 2: And he's told the club he hasn't taken drugs. 272 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 6: The timeline's going to be fascinating guys, because in covering 273 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:21,719 Speaker 6: the Brandon Trindle situation earlier this year, it was it 274 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 6: was relayed that that was that ability to get his 275 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 6: second sample back at the time was between six to 276 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 6: twelve weeks. And look, the lab might not be as 277 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 6: full at the moment, so it's going to be interesting 278 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 6: to see whether that's a similar timeline here. 279 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: All right, let's change tact and talk some positive. Finals 280 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: footy is here and the big guns back on deck. 281 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: Eight teams, four games live and i'd break free on 282 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 1: Fox League bringing on. 283 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 8: How good is it when your team makes the playoffs 284 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 8: to a place where nothing else matters and every point counts? 285 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 2: Yep, that's right. 286 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 9: How bleffort you are? NRL Finals footy in all exploring. 287 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 8: Beginning six point thirty Friday night. An absolute cracker, so big, 288 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 8: Look who's making his comeback, the. 289 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 9: Best player in the game. 290 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: The more intensive games get, and the bigger the games get, 291 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: the more important the simple things get. 292 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 2: Real simple game plan, especially against this team that start 293 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 2: hard and. 294 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 9: Then a match with them. 295 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 8: Nathan Cleary back to Ley, the premiership hungry Panthers against 296 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 8: this mob, most of whom couldn't find Penrith with a GPS, 297 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 8: so they bring these rousters out from Bondai on a bus. 298 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 8: Dylan Edwards versus Teddy to Desko plus all the big 299 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 8: fellas up front on the rampage. 300 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 7: This is Rugby Lake Folks. 301 00:14:57,680 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 9: Oh yeah, settle down boys. 302 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 8: Super Saturday beginning at three point thirty another qualifying final. 303 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 8: It's the Storm and the Sharks, thunder and lightning, very 304 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 8: very frightening. Melbourne versus Postcard perfect Cromulla. Two teams worlds away, 305 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 8: Pappenhausen and Hughes, Munster and Grant up against Nico Hines. 306 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 2: It's back to form. 307 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 8: And what about this new kid Daniel Atkinson. 308 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 7: Goodness, that's him. 309 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 9: Then a Super Saturday. 310 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 8: Eliminator, a get up, We'll get out of town. Sudden 311 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 8: death now will never showdown. The Cowboys and the Knights, 312 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 8: North Queensland versus Newcastle Drinkwater did what about Tommy did? 313 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 8: Ruben Cotter from wayback taking on a former local in kaylen. 314 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 9: Ponger, a super athlete in. 315 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 8: The form of Bradman Best and let you sharp a new. 316 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 9: Kid with old intentions. 317 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 8: What Sunday at three point thirty, more sudden death. It's 318 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 8: the Bulldogs in their first finals appearance since twenty sixteen, 319 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 8: Canny Banks down versus merely we ringer, the Bulldogs and. 320 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 9: The Seagulls, the starters, Turbos back, dog time fuck ready. 321 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 8: To fly and finally Stephen Crichton has canna read back 322 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 8: where they belong. September just has a different feel when 323 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 8: the Bulldogs are in the hunt and. 324 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 4: We're here now, So here we go. 325 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 9: Welcome to Finals Footy twenty twenty four. 326 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 8: Live best of the best right here on Fox Looms. 327 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 2: How good is that. 328 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 7: Finals are here? 329 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: Let's take a look at a tad team selections for 330 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: Finals Week one for the Panthers. Nathan Cleary returns from 331 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:05,439 Speaker 1: that shoulder injury, Young Tupo, Butcher and Collins return for 332 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: the Roosters. Papanaw isn't the play after that injury in 333 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: around twenty six Sherry Burton back in the starting side 334 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 1: for the Bulldogs and Tom Chaboyevich with that ac injury 335 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: to the shoulder, named to return but will start with 336 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 1: a big one. Cleary is back for the Panthers, going 337 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 1: for four premierships in a row crawl. 338 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 5: It's incredible, isn't it? Like he's I don't think we 339 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 5: can doubt Nathan anymore. Every situation he just turns up. 340 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 5: There's not a player in the game that puts in 341 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:39,880 Speaker 5: better preparation. He's a clutch player. He handles the big 342 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 5: moments better than anyone and even even with a bunk 343 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,360 Speaker 5: Stitt shoulder, he's a massive in for the Panthers. 344 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. 345 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 4: I remember him coming back what a couple of weeks ago, 346 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 4: kick the field goal against the Dolphins. I think he 347 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,120 Speaker 4: was there for eight weeks or whatever. So yeah, they 348 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 4: need him. I think game management, running game. Obviously defensively, 349 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 4: he's going to get targeted, but I think he'll handle 350 00:17:59,440 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 4: it well. 351 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 2: You mentioned targeted. 352 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: He's coming up against Crichton this weekend and I think 353 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: a few of the Rusters have said that he's going 354 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 1: to be going at Nathan, so he'll be tested. 355 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 4: Well. 356 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,399 Speaker 6: We saw Angus's performance last weekend against South Sydney. 357 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 7: I mean, he was just a man on a mission 358 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:16,360 Speaker 7: and he has been all year. 359 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 6: To be fair, and I think it would be ridiculous 360 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 6: to think that Angus and the Roosters won't be targeting Nathan, 361 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 6: And to be fair, I don't I don't see how 362 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 6: Nathan's going to be one hundred percent there's going to 363 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 6: be some damage there. 364 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, that was two front rollers there that he went through. Yeah, 365 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 4: he's made the way he's playing at the moment, the 366 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 4: way he's going to And that's no. And that's not 367 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 4: some on disrespect to Nathan clear I think it's showing respect. 368 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 4: I think if they beat Pendin, they need to take 369 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,439 Speaker 4: as much of Nathan Cleary's confidence out of. 370 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 2: It, take his time and space off. 371 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 4: You need time and space making. 372 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 2: You have to you have to pressure him. 373 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: Now, you mentioned that he won't be one hundred percent cruels, 374 00:18:57,640 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: you're concerned a little bit about his return. 375 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,120 Speaker 5: But what I found interesting is that look the tackle 376 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 5: where he popped his shoulder in the game against Melbourne. 377 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 5: If you watch this closer, King puts his hands around 378 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 5: him and there's another angle to this tackle where you 379 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 5: can actually see and I'm not saying it's an illegal tackle, 380 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 5: but it shows how easily this popped out and he'd 381 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 5: been carrying this injury. He clutches his hands, he pulls 382 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 5: them together as Nathan tries to push off the ground. 383 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 5: I imagine that's when he's injured his shoulder, because he 384 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 5: was all right up until that point. So it kind 385 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 5: of shows you how easy it can happen. He hasn't 386 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 5: had surgery. He's coming back not at one hundred percent, 387 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 5: which the club has admitted. 388 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 7: And Angus Crichton. 389 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 5: Would look at that tackle and think beauty will give 390 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 5: that a go too, Wouldn't. 391 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: You think it's a good point, you mate, because they've 392 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 1: managed and monitored this injury for the whole year. Apparently 393 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: he didn't in the preseason, so he hasn't had surgery, 394 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: and I believe he will after season's end. 395 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 2: So this is an example of he. 396 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,959 Speaker 1: Could come back week one, to your point, Cruls, and 397 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: it could happen again. Listen, that's worst case scenario, but 398 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 1: it's a possibility. So it's going to be interesting to 399 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: see how he does hold up this week. 400 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 2: Ordie. 401 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 4: Absolutely, and obviously it's not a bump and barge injury. 402 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:13,919 Speaker 4: It's more of a grabbing and a holding, so and 403 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 4: there's no doubt. Look I'm not a doctor, but that 404 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 4: can't be one hundred percent. It can't be fully fit 405 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 4: can well? As I said, I don't think. 406 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 6: I don't think it can be either, particularly when you've 407 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:30,120 Speaker 6: considered the postseason surgeries. Definitely on the radar as well 408 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 6: now We're going to learn a lot about Jerome Leuiye 409 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 6: guys like in this situation for everything we're talking about, 410 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 6: if the roosters are coming after the star half, then 411 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 6: then what is Leui going to do? 412 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 2: He has to take pressure off Nathan. He has to 413 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 2: he probably will. 414 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 6: And everything we've learned already about Jerome stepping up this season, 415 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:51,640 Speaker 6: it's about to go to another level. 416 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 2: In my eyes. 417 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 5: They've also got Isaiah Yo Dylan Edwards. They're a champion 418 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 5: team that knows more about this time of the year 419 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 5: than any of their current teams, and and they know 420 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 5: they have it in them to go to the next level. 421 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 5: And with those sort of that that cattle around like 422 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 5: we're seeing ISAAA this year. 423 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 4: He's been quite incredible, even Brandy said. But they have 424 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 4: struggled the last six weeks. Normally when they've gone in 425 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 4: they've just been on cruise control waiting for this time 426 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,360 Speaker 4: of year. I'm not saying that they're limping in, but 427 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 4: they're not like they're not on cruise control where they've 428 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 4: been in the past. I'm not saying they can't win. 429 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 5: Even in that game against Melbourne though before before Nathan's injury, 430 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 5: they were off their game a bit that day. 431 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 7: Melbourne were taking their time. 432 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 5: Nathan looked a little bit, you know, unsure on a 433 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 5: couple of occasions, so did others in the team. They're 434 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 5: probably not at the level they were in previous years, 435 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 5: but they do have the runs on the ball. 436 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:47,239 Speaker 1: We're going to find out this weekend and we're going 437 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: to talk more footy, but we have to touch on this. 438 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: Adam G has been dumped for a Week one of 439 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 1: the finals. Now, Adam G referee the Grand Finals most 440 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 1: of us would remember in one of the best performances 441 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: by referee say ever, at least in the last decade. 442 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 1: It was handled brilliantly by him and full of praise 443 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 1: by the rugby league world, and then all of a 444 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: sudden a year later, he's not even in refereeing Week 445 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 1: one of the finals. 446 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 6: Day you fight at surprising, I really do. For everything 447 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 6: you just said about the Grand Final and last week 448 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 6: last week's performance too mainly Sharks handled that well. 449 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 7: I don't, I can't. 450 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 6: We don't get a grasp on what the Narel are 451 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:29,719 Speaker 6: looking for. 452 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 2: As far as. 453 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 4: Hold on another Courties game on the weekend, it was 454 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 4: won by the players, it wasn't won by the referee, right, 455 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 4: so I watched it. He's a free flying referee. He's 456 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 4: the closest that I've watched the Bill Harrigan where the 457 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:45,919 Speaker 4: game and the players can work it out. Yeah, they 458 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 4: all make mistakes. Everybody makes mistakes. I'm surprising that he's 459 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 4: not in the best four referees in our game. 460 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 5: It's akin to Bill Harrigan in his prime getting dropped 461 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 5: for the finals. Because Jee's performance in the Ground Final 462 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 5: last year probably ranks in the Grand Final of best 463 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 5: referee performances. Then he did the end of season tests, 464 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 5: then he went to Vegas, and then along the way 465 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 5: he fell off a cliff. 466 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 4: What do you reckon? 467 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 1: I was about to say, does anyone here have any 468 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: reason why he would not be referee this week? 469 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 2: I can't think of one. 470 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 4: Everybody should have thought that he could have been the 471 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 4: origin referee, should have been. 472 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 1: So no one's hard any mail out of the referees camp, 473 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: out of any of the Nothing. 474 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 6: No, no, And it would be nice to get some 475 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:33,679 Speaker 6: insight into why. 476 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: Has the game changed that much over twenty out of 477 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: twelve months that that he doesn't suit the real book? 478 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:40,120 Speaker 4: Have they? 479 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 5: It's like you said, Gordon, that game on the weekend. 480 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 5: We weren't talking about controversies coming out of the CRDOLLA game. 481 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,120 Speaker 7: It just seems like it's puzzling. 482 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 4: It is. 483 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: It's mind boggling, and we don't have the answers here. 484 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: Maybe someone else does. If you do, let us know. 485 00:23:56,119 --> 00:24:00,360 Speaker 1: Given the injuries, will the Roosters hit the player get 486 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:04,880 Speaker 1: talking about significant injuries for the Rusters that will go 487 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,360 Speaker 1: well and truly into next season. Brandon Smith and Walker 488 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: and not so much with Victor Radley, but they're going 489 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: to be short in the spine. Anyone here anything coming 490 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 1: out of the Rooster's camp on who they may be 491 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 1: looking at or looking to purchase. 492 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 5: I put it to a couple of people at the 493 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 5: Roosters today, names that probably get banded about at the 494 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 5: moment too in my view, that they've got a problem 495 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 5: with Brandon Smith next year. Brandon's off contract at the 496 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 5: end of the year, as I'm led to believe, he 497 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 5: gets a significant upgrade in his contract for next season, 498 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 5: but he is off contract. He hasn't had his ACL 499 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 5: knee surgery at this point in time because his MCL's 500 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 5: got a mend before he has his ACL, so he'll 501 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 5: be out until at least July. The Roosters, as we know, 502 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 5: are a team that like to go into a season 503 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 5: with all bases covered. They've got some good young guys 504 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 5: coming through the system. Are they ready for an real yet? 505 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 7: I don't know. 506 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 5: You've got Connor Watson that can fill the bridge. But 507 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 5: is Connor you know, a genuine nine? 508 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 7: No, he's not. 509 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 5: You look at a guy like Ben Hunt. Now, Ben 510 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 5: Hunt's just comes through his seventh season at the Dragons. 511 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 5: In that period they've they've made one finals appearance in 512 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,919 Speaker 5: two thy and eighteen. I think I'll be shocked if 513 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 5: Ben Hunt stays at the Dragons next year because I 514 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 5: think that club has to look at themselves and think 515 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 5: we're at a time do we move on Ben Hunt 516 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,640 Speaker 5: not as a halfback, but as a nine or all 517 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 5: either all but would be a didn't a great accent 518 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 5: if the if the Roosters could have. 519 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 4: Filled him Chad Townsend sitting there at the place yet. 520 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 5: But I'm talking as a nine because they have to 521 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:46,959 Speaker 5: find a nine to fill in for Brandon for at 522 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 5: least half the season. 523 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 7: The other guy mar who knows? Who knows? 524 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: I find that surprise and just before you get to 525 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,439 Speaker 1: the next one Buzz mentioned a few weeks ago. His 526 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: thoughts opinion was that if he wanted to leave, the 527 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 1: Dragons would let him go. 528 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 5: So then it would come down if a club like 529 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 5: the Roosters were interested, which I'm told they're not. But 530 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 5: you also look I told you that, well you also 531 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 5: look at another player like Tyrone Wishart. Now, now come 532 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,479 Speaker 5: November one, I have no doubt in the world Tyrone 533 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 5: wish Art from the Storm will be one of the 534 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,160 Speaker 5: hottest players on the market. I reckon he could walk 535 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 5: into a number of teams at the moment as a 536 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 5: six or a nine. He's got a great attitude. He 537 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,959 Speaker 5: reminds me in many ways of Tom Didon. He's an 538 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 5: all effort player. He would fit into any system and 539 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,679 Speaker 5: the best systems if he chose to go down that 540 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 5: path and leave the Storm and could really look at 541 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 5: a significant. 542 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 7: Pay up grade. 543 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 5: The only thing is, you know the Storm won't want 544 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 5: to release him for twenty. 545 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 2: Five I agree with that. 546 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: I feel like with Timmy telling around this, the Roosters 547 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 1: will have a loaded gun. They've got They've got a 548 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,919 Speaker 1: war chest there now, they've already had that. They've got 549 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 1: a lot of players leaving surely he. Let's be honest, 550 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: they're going to make you play someone? 551 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:02,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so. 552 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 6: Look, I can't agree with you on Ben Hunt and 553 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 6: the Dragons because clubs make decisions on who they've got 554 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 6: and who can you get in to your ross the 555 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,880 Speaker 6: next year. Crawls and how I don't see how there's 556 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 6: any available half back on the market that can still 557 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 6: hold their gloves up like Ben Hunt for Saints next season. 558 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 6: And I don't see them making a play unless they did, 559 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 6: unless they just wiped it down and started with King Taga. 560 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 5: And Ben Hunt has great statistics, right, But the fact 561 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 5: of the matter is the club. The club has been 562 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 5: treading water for a while now. He wasn't at his 563 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 5: best in the big games that mattered at the end 564 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 5: of the season, and at some stage the Dragons are 565 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,400 Speaker 5: going to have to look at that and think do 566 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 5: we have to take a step back to go two steps? 567 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: But are they more chance of making the eight or 568 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: winning a comp without Ben Hunt next year? 569 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 7: They didn't make the eight this. 570 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 2: Year, But are they more of a chance if they 571 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 2: get rid of him? What's the options? 572 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 5: Well, the option is to in my opinion, he's on 573 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 5: big money. He's done a good job. But look, they 574 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 5: haven't they haven't a swap. They could, they could do that. 575 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 5: Brandon Smith might be looking for a contract. The other 576 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 5: problem with Wishart and Buzz mentioned a couple of weeks 577 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 5: ago as a potential to the Dragons. Well, he wasn't 578 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 5: wanted at the Dragons. I think some people do see 579 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 5: him as a better nine than a six down the track, 580 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 5: and the Dragons have gone and signed Damien Cook for 581 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 5: two years. 582 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 7: So I don't know. 583 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 5: Look at you know what it's like, breath. Anything could happen, 584 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 5: and as you said, we are dancing around it. We 585 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,120 Speaker 5: know the Roosters will finish the season and they'll look 586 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 5: at where they stand and they'll probably make a decision. 587 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: It's hard to think that they'll they'll just go with 588 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: Sid dormant until July next year. 589 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 2: It's hard. 590 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: I just can't believe that would happen. So we'll just 591 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: I suppose we'll see Crawls. What should be for the week? 592 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 2: Be for the week? 593 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 5: Well, you know you guys, had you say last night 594 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 5: on on the Dolphins, no try and I understand where 595 00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 5: you come from, Gordy Braith, but you both have an 596 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 5: opinion of that. Try and you did think it was 597 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 5: a legitimate obstruction. Then on the other side of the coin, 598 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 5: you have a stack of other people who support better. 599 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 5: Joey phil Gould, Michael Lennis said it on Fox, Paul 600 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 5: Gallon said it last night. 601 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 7: There's a stack of people out there. 602 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 5: And where I stand is, if you guys are confused, 603 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 5: where is the fan in this? And this is where 604 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 5: the frustration comes from. And in this instance, Cogga bytes 605 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 5: in here right, Cogger causes contact. Cogger's the reason that 606 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 5: comes and where I have an issue and where I reckon. 607 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 5: A lot of fans are really confused about this, just 608 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 5: in recent weeks. I look back at a couple of 609 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 5: instances today and in the Storm. 610 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 7: Panthers game, horrible call. 611 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 5: The Storm scored a try from a scrum where Jack 612 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 5: Howis ran the lead line. He bowled over Nathan Cleary 613 00:29:58,280 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 5: on the outside shoulder. 614 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 7: The Storm go through. This doesn't even. 615 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 5: Get checked, This just goes try confirmed. I think Cooper 616 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 5: Kronk was in the box commentary box that night and 617 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 5: he was in disbelief. But if the tray fuller try 618 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 5: isn't a try, how is that a try? 619 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 7: Then I think it was either the previous week. I 620 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 7: think it was the. 621 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 4: Previous week Brady Jones gets knocked over the rape. I'm 622 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 4: not saying it's not a bad u. It's a clearing mate. 623 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 7: It wasn't a bad call because the NRL supported it. 624 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 5: And the other one I want I wanted to have 625 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 5: a look at was in the Paramatta Penrith game and 626 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 5: if I remember correctly, Trent Barrett at the time blew 627 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 5: up about this. Now again, William Martin goes through I 628 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 5: think Blaze to Lungey. 629 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 7: They've said initiated that contact. 630 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 5: Martin fell into dejah Nasi and that's why the NRL 631 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 5: said this was the right call. 632 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 7: But again, if in. 633 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 5: This instance what CHARSI go straight on his back bang, 634 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 5: no chance? 635 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:58,479 Speaker 7: So he goes through the gap. 636 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 5: If that is to try, why isn't the other one 637 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 5: to try? 638 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 4: That's right? So they got that one wrong. 639 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 7: But they say not Gordy. 640 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,719 Speaker 5: This is this is where the confusion comes. 641 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 2: You've been working today. Crawl give it a game, Crawls. 642 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 4: I love beef for the week. 643 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,479 Speaker 7: I wait all week for booth for the week and 644 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 7: can I have it? 645 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 5: However, continue, However, what is your answer because blowing up 646 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 5: the bunker is, isn't it. I think, I truly think 647 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 5: you guys looked at the rules last night and by 648 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 5: the letter of the law. I said it the other 649 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 5: day it was a no try. But there has to 650 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 5: be some common sense, Dave, because when you have so 651 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 5: many people with great rugby league knowledge confused, how that 652 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 5: can be disallowed? 653 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 4: Confused? You've got it shitty because he lost, right, there's 654 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 4: about twenty. 655 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 5: Five Joey John's man, I don't have to agree with 656 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 5: it because you say Wayne shitty because he lost. Joey 657 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 5: John Newcastle commentary. I said, no one loves Newcastle more 658 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 5: than me. But that's a grand core that's so wrong. 659 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 4: So out of the twenty five tackles that I mean 660 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 4: tri as we see every weekend, there's three that we 661 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 4: pick up from the last five weeks. 662 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 7: Okay, three tra Let's let's continue one though, because. 663 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 4: Number seventeen gets knocked over. 664 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 5: And it happened to other two in the NRL support 665 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 5: to get decision. That's where the inconsistent comes from. F 666 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 5: that that's six points, So then you go, if that 667 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 5: is awarded, this is where the Dolphins have. 668 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 4: We want one of those scored against him. Every week 669 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 4: where no where I here isn't about supporting run and 670 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 4: I just take out of What will happen is I'll run, 671 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 4: and I'll just start taking out players and we'll get 672 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 4: into another Your. 673 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 7: Trying to make about I'm. 674 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 4: Making it about what i'd do. I'm making it about me. 675 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 4: I'd take Rikio out and then you're isolated, so I'll 676 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 4: just keep on taking them out of me. 677 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 5: I don't know how they score because mate Levy Ellie 678 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 5: was running at the gap, Cogger moved in, took his space. 679 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 5: I don't know from here on how that happens in 680 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 5: those two that were awarded this anyway, I. 681 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 2: Get it all right. 682 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 1: We could argue all but I'm boys, thank you cruels, 683 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: think you we argue for up there since the players 684 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: perspective of Little Chambers and Wade Graham and this Sunday 685 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: once in a lifetime event UFC throughout six live from 686 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: the Sphere in Las Vegas and the only place you 687 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 1: can watch it. 688 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 2: He's our main event