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Speaker 1: On scoring MS Australia.

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Speaker 2: This is the Reader Paney Show.

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Speaker 3: Good evening and welcome to the Rita Panehy Show. Coming

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Speaker 3: up tonight is Labor abandoning its ambitious net zero targets.

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Speaker 3: My panel will join me shortly to discuss that. In

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Speaker 3: the day's other leading headlines, whole show victorious soaring debt

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Speaker 3: is a top issue for voters ahead of the state election.

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Speaker 3: The Australian Newspaper's Victorian Political editor Anthony Galloway will be

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Speaker 3: here to discuss that. The Great John Heindereker will have

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Speaker 3: the latest from the US, including President Trump's ceasefire deal

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Speaker 3: with Iran, and later in the hour we crossed to

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Speaker 3: Michael LOFTUS for entertainment news, as well as the latest

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Speaker 3: bizarre developments involving Christy Nomes's cross dressing husband and Left

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Speaker 3: is Losing It features this crazy eyed Swedish doom goblin

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Speaker 3: be speaks for itself.

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Speaker 4: Is anyone even doing at this point? We have normalized genocide?

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Speaker 3: But first New reports today suggest that Labor has dropped

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Speaker 3: references to its eighty two percent renewables by twenty thirty

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Speaker 3: target in a preliminary draft of its national policy plan

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Speaker 3: that it will take to the next federal election in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty eight. Labor sources have tried to downplay the omission,

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Speaker 3: confirming the party remained committed to ambitious and achievable twenty

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Speaker 3: thirty and twenty thirty five targets. Let's bring in the

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Speaker 3: panel now, former Victorian Liberal Party president Michael Kroger and

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Speaker 3: Menzi's Research Center senior fellow Nick Cator.

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Speaker 5: Michael, are we finally starting to.

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Speaker 3: See cracks in Labour's net zero agenda?

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Speaker 6: Well, we certainly are, and it's a very important story

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Speaker 6: in the Australian newspaper. You see what happened at the

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Speaker 6: beginning of the net zero transition argument. It's the Left

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Speaker 6: for win the debate because people were sold on this

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Speaker 6: idea of Rita that renewables were reliable and most importantly,

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Speaker 6: they were the cheapest form of energy. As time has

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Speaker 6: gone on, the lived experience of people is these renewables

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Speaker 6: are unreliable, they are extremely expensive, and we were lied

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Speaker 6: to and people's experience is not what they were told.

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Speaker 6: You know, Bowen said to everyone, prices will be cheaper

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Speaker 6: by two hundred and seventy five dollars. He said that

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Speaker 6: at the twenty two election, and that was their symbolism

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Speaker 6: to say to people, here's the evidence that were cheaper. Well,

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Speaker 6: that promised went and gone, and people now don't believe

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Speaker 6: they're the cheapest form of energy well whatsoever. And you

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Speaker 6: can see labor now crab walking away from the target

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Speaker 6: because it can't be met. Renewables are too expensive. And

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Speaker 6: that's the lift experience of people.

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Speaker 3: Nick with the left winning the net zero argument though

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Speaker 3: because the right was refusing to fight it, we saw

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Speaker 3: the coalition embrace net zero and now they have walked

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Speaker 3: away from that and there is some debate. We are

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Speaker 3: seeing people change their minds because, yes, the lived experience

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Speaker 3: suggests that renewables aren't the form'st cheapest form of energy,

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Speaker 3: particularly when you're factory in all the infrastructure costs.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think reality is beginning to catch up with

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Speaker 7: this debate RETA. And you know, back in twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 7: when they put this eighty two percent target in place,

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Speaker 7: it's reminded ourselves eighty two percent of our electricity would

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Speaker 7: come from wind, solar and water. They know that was

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Speaker 7: they were winning the argument. But as time has gone

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Speaker 7: on and we get closer to twenty thirty. We realize

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Speaker 7: that is not going to happen by any means. And look,

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Speaker 7: I love, I love Chris Bowen and labors are nothing

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Speaker 7: to see here.

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Speaker 1: Act over there.

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Speaker 7: Oh it's just a tiny thing. Well, if it's a

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Speaker 7: tiny thing, put it back on your platform. Let's see

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Speaker 7: eighty two percent back on there. And while you about it,

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Speaker 7: why don't you put on the two hundred and seventy

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Speaker 7: five dollars reduction in the annual electricity bills for households,

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Speaker 7: because that was part of the same reputex modeling that

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Speaker 7: you did in twenty twenty two when you're in opposition

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Speaker 7: the website. Incidentally, the report that shows that modeling has

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Speaker 7: disappeared for the website, incidentally, But this is crazy modeling.

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Speaker 7: They've stuck by it as long as they can, but clearly,

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Speaker 7: if they're elected in twenty twenty eight, it just becomes

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Speaker 7: a joke.

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Speaker 5: It is.

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Speaker 3: It's modeling done by activists. Well you can take that

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Speaker 3: with a grain of salt, can't you.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 3: National's leader Mac Canavan slammed Prime Minist Antony Alberanezi at

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Speaker 3: the National Press Club today in a speech calling for

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Speaker 3: an economic revolution and the scrapping of net zero, and

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Speaker 3: he noted too that the PM failed to mention NET

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Speaker 3: zero during his address to the nation.

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Speaker 8: The Promister did not mention net zero once, not once.

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Speaker 8: I mean he does, he'll say to what I'm saying, say, oh,

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Speaker 8: he wants a future made in Australia. Who wants similar

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Speaker 8: goals to see that. That's great, But the whole centerpiece

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Speaker 8: of the Future madeen Australa agenda, the whole point of

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Speaker 8: Labour's manufacturing policy is to pursue NED zero. That's what

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Speaker 8: it all flows from. And yet the Prime Minister did

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Speaker 8: not even mention that goal here on this stage last.

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Speaker 3: Week, and the Nationals leader had plenty more to say

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Speaker 3: about the Prime Minister.

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Speaker 8: Effectively, now Albo likes to present himself as a DJ

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Speaker 8: is now cover band, just singing the greatest hits of

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Speaker 8: decades ago. But they're just they're not they're not they're

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Speaker 8: not really as good as the original.

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Speaker 3: Michael has this fuel crisis exposed the PM as an

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Speaker 3: empty suites is a man who's got some style, but

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Speaker 3: there's not much substance there.

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Speaker 1: Reader.

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Speaker 6: We weren't prepared for the pandemic. We were underprepared. We

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Speaker 6: didn't have backup medicines, et cetera, et cetera. We are

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Speaker 6: unprepared for the fuel crisis we're suffering. Now, let's just

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Speaker 6: hope no one invades us, because we're certainly not able

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Speaker 6: to defend ourselves. I mean, Australia has abandoned self sufficiency

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Speaker 6: in this quest, doing the.

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Speaker 1: Sort of the global left world of.

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Speaker 6: The left wing green utopia, and it's leaving Australia a

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Speaker 6: barren country in terms of sufficiently.

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Speaker 1: We're drowning green left regulation.

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Speaker 6: We've lost our competitive energy advantage, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 6: The list goes on and on, and as he said,

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Speaker 6: elbows trying to replace his greatest hits is his greatest hits,

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Speaker 6: his buying election victories with increasing debt, promising free stuff

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Speaker 6: to everybody, mounting up the national debt as it is

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Speaker 6: in all of the Labor States. Australia is a country

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Speaker 6: in serious trouble. It's over governed, overregulation, overregulated, and drowning

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Speaker 6: in debt. We have zero defenses. We explored a lot

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Speaker 6: of energy, a lot of energy production is banned, et cetera, etc.

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Speaker 6: I mean, Canavan and Taylor are right to say Australian

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Speaker 6: needs a new beginning, and it needs without this labor

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Speaker 6: government because this old sort of whitler mist agenda from

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Speaker 6: thirty to forty years ago has driven this country to

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Speaker 6: the ground.

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Speaker 3: Reader, Nick, have a listened to what Matt Canavan said

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Speaker 3: about net zero.

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Speaker 8: We need to scrap this crazy net zero madness. We

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Speaker 8: need to protect our industries again so we can defend

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Speaker 8: our nation, and we need to grow our country aground,

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Speaker 8: grow it in many different ways so there are more

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Speaker 8: opportunities and most of all people can feel they can

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Speaker 8: have a family, kind of babies. It's the most important

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Speaker 3: Life, Nick, Members of the Canberra Press Gallery would have

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Speaker 3: been very triggered by that sort of talk. But what

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Speaker 3: did you make of this speech and the comments calling

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Speaker 3: for a economic revolution in this country?

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Speaker 7: Well, what I've seen of it, I agree wholeheartedly. We

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Speaker 7: do need an economic revolution. We thought we'd had one

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Speaker 7: in the seventies and the eighties, you know, eighties, particularly

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Speaker 7: when we went into long period of economic reform under Keating,

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Speaker 7: Hawk and Howard. But we've gone back on that, so

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Speaker 7: we've got to have another revolution to get back to

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Speaker 7: where we were. I thought Matt Canavan's point about net

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Speaker 7: zero is very well made and he's got the credentials

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Speaker 7: to make this right because he's always been against net

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Speaker 7: zero and I think it was him and his rational

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Speaker 7: on that. So now they opposed net zero. One nation

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Speaker 7: those parties in aggregate at least any harm at the polls,

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Speaker 7: So we have to get rid of it. Here's the

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Speaker 7: absurdity read. We've got the Energy Minister yesterday saying, oh,

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Speaker 7: it's too expensive to store petrol and diesel. It's going

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Speaker 7: to cost twenty billion dollars on his calculation over four years.

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Speaker 7: It's not too expense apparently to push electricity or water

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Speaker 7: uphill in some futile attempt to store electricity for it

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Speaker 7: last us for about five minutes. I mean, it is absurd.

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Speaker 7: He's spending almost as much, probably more when the final

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Speaker 7: bill is in on snowy hydro too, than what he's

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Speaker 7: saying it will cost us to have ninety days reserve

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Speaker 7: of petrol and diesel. I know which I prefer our

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Speaker 7: money to go to.

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Speaker 3: Well, we've got two big issues now, Michael, where the

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Speaker 3: Nationals have really led the Liberals into a sane position,

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Speaker 3: and a couple of years ago it was the Voice

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Speaker 3: referendum where the Nationals were the first to say no.

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Speaker 3: Liberals took about ten months to come to a position,

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Speaker 3: and of course that was enormously a popular position.

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Speaker 5: And also with net zero.

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Speaker 3: The Nationals were the first to abandon net zero. And

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Speaker 3: it's a very easy argument to win, and yet we've

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Speaker 3: had the coalition on the wrong side on two pretty

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Speaker 3: cool issues. Why is that, Michael, Why have we got

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Speaker 3: such weakness in conservative ranks where they're too afraid to

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Speaker 1: Well, if you don't fight, you don't win.

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Speaker 6: And unless you draw a sinking between you and the

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Speaker 6: other parties, you don't win. Unless you stand for something,

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Speaker 6: you don't win. Unless you believe in something.

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Speaker 6: So if the political leadership are antidexus about major issues,

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Speaker 6: then they should move on and let someone take over

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Speaker 6: who is not ambivalent about major issues facing our country.

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Speaker 6: The boys should have been imposed on day one. The

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Speaker 6: National Party, a little proud led that debate. The answer

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Speaker 6: is that was a debate which, if the referenduing past,

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Speaker 6: would have divided this country forever by race forever, and

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Speaker 6: that would have damaged our country severely for generations to come,

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Speaker 6: and we should have opposed it on day one zero.

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Speaker 6: I was concerned recently about getting rid of net zero.

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Speaker 6: Why because in the nineteen and twenty two elections win

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Speaker 6: a bit arguing forcefully in favor of it. Now all

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Speaker 1: So if you start doing.

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Speaker 6: Those things, you confuse the electorate and the elect things

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Speaker 6: to itself.

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Speaker 1: What do these people believe in?

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Speaker 6: If you can't take a firm stand on things, do

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Speaker 6: they really believe in you abolishing.

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Speaker 1: These targets given the fact they are in favor of it.

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Speaker 6: So I'm always concerned about political party, whether it's are

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Speaker 6: so whoever on the big national issue, if you're ambivalent

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Speaker 6: or you pick aside, and then you have to change

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Speaker 6: your side and say I'm domatically ferociously now for this

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Speaker 6: particular view, the electric looks at you and things. Are

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Speaker 6: these people of conviction or convenience? And it's one of

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Speaker 6: the reasons Canson is doing well because you still do

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Speaker 6: various things for thirty is and people vote for authenticity

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Speaker 6: in the end. It's one of the most important characteristics

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Speaker 6: of the politician.

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Speaker 1: What do they believe in?

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Speaker 6: Do they have authenticity or are they just going with

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Speaker 6: So you know, that's one of the reasons. I mean,

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Speaker 6: there's a reason, reader, our vote has dropped from thirty

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Speaker 3: They're finally starting to work it out because I think

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Speaker 5: Now, let's talk about Victoria.

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Speaker 3: The Real Estate Institute of Victoria's calling for price caps

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Speaker 5: Michael, I mean, the.

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Speaker 3: The housing crisis isn't helped by government intervention. If we

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Speaker 1: Well, that's absolutely right.

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Speaker 6: I mean here, I think at six hundred thousand, which

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Speaker 6: That, you know, you'll increase the range of properties that

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Speaker 6: The problem Victoria is we are drowning in regulation. Left

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Speaker 6: the problem, Victoria is not Stampye. The problem is we

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Speaker 1: Is approved or disproved.

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Speaker 6: By the way you got a building permit here, I

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Speaker 6: private sector. You're right, reader, that's what's drowning Victoria. It's

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Speaker 1: This is the problem in Australia.

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Speaker 6: We're drowning and all these reg brought in over the decades,

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Speaker 6: and we need a revolution here to supercharge the Australian.

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Speaker 3: Economy a nick at both state level and certainly federal level.

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Speaker 3: Housing is going to be an enormous issue, and it

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Speaker 7: Exactly, there's a big mega issue.

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Speaker 1: We've got to deal with immigration.

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Speaker 7: But even if we reduce immigration, as we should quite drastically,

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Speaker 7: Michael's right, there's a supply problem with housing. You look

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Speaker 7: they're having to wrestle through government red tape, particularly local

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Speaker 7: I only what point I'd say, michaelas why don't make

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Speaker 1: I mean we're dealing with.

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Speaker 7: Patent development here, We're dealing with subdivisions. I mean and

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Speaker 7: very responsible developers that know all about putting in the

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Speaker 7: infrastructure that's needed. If the state would just get out

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Speaker 7: the way and let them do it, Yeah, I think

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Speaker 7: this is definitely a case for state to withdraw from this.

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Speaker 5: Nick Kta, Michael Kroger, thank you so much for your

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Speaker 3: Now and a growing number of the state's Liberal MPs

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Speaker 3: he launched an attack on fellow Liberals, members of the

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Speaker 3: media and even Skye Uses very owned Peter Kredlin, Anthony

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Speaker 3: Galloway writes in the Australian newspaper Today A letters signed

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Speaker 3: by more than seventy members of the party's State council

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Speaker 3: the resignation of mister Davis and the for vice presidents

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Speaker 3: in the wake of the morading pre selection saga. Joining

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Speaker 3: me now is the Australian Newspapers Victorian Political editor Anthony Galloway. Anthony,

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Speaker 3: can Phil Davis hold on and should he hold on

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Speaker 3: after this latest debacle?

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Speaker 9: Well, yeah, he doesn't necessarily have to resign, And there's

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Speaker 9: that position, or he could just not recontest the position.

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Speaker 9: So this call to resign, I guess could be said

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Speaker 5: Well, there's been talk of governance failures. They've certainly been

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Speaker 3: How do they keep going and making these astronomical mistakes.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this was leading the news in this city

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Speaker 5: So now she is the candidate. It could have all

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Speaker 9: It could have all been a voted And no matter

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Speaker 9: what you think about Maury Deming, whether you love her

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Speaker 9: You could have literally plugged her challenger. Did Daneshkar said

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Speaker 3: Seem to know about that, though there seems there's talk

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Speaker 9: Yeah, there's lots of conspiracy theories flying around. Both camps

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Speaker 3: I ab certainly know people within the party machinery who

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Speaker 3: is another question. Now, what's the state president's relationship like

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Speaker 9: It's not great. Jess Wilson has grown increasingly frustrated with

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Speaker 9: she's basically at the point where she thinks he shouldn't

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Speaker 9: he shouldn't stand again and that someone else should. Now,

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Speaker 9: Jess Wilson's a moderate, But really, the news here is

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Speaker 9: suing the party over the loan to John pursuita they

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Speaker 9: such as such as, yeah, where it's gotten to. So

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Speaker 9: they want someone, you know, a senior party figure, respected

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Speaker 3: I wonder how much weight Jess Wilson's endorsement carries if

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Speaker 5: That point now.

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Speaker 3: To other matters in Victoria, poll released by Freshwater Strategy

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Speaker 3: Research reveals seventy eight percent of voters in this state

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Speaker 3: how damning all these numbers for justinto Allen and for labor.

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Speaker 3: Debt is notoriously an issue that voters don't really list

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Speaker 9: Well, this is perhaps vindication for Jess Wilson, because her

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Speaker 9: And Wilson's made that a real priority. She appointed her

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm not sure how much we can credit Jess Wilson.

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Speaker 3: With this being a front, top tier issue, what are

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's astronomicals, people's white good reason why people

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Speaker 9: That's going to be the big challenge for Wilson and

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Speaker 9: the state opposition that talked you know, she has talked

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Speaker 9: that doesn't open her up to a scare campaign like

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Speaker 9: Peter Dutton did that last year's re election about you know,

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Speaker 9: labor will be very alive and they're already trying to

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Speaker 3: It's going to be interesting because you're right, she is

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Speaker 5: So if she wins.

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Speaker 3: She's appoint a treasurer who wasn't good enough to be

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Speaker 3: of a state riddled with debt, So that strategy in

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Speaker 3: itself is interesting to me. Anthony Galloway always a pleasure.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for your time tonight.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 5: Still toy Karma. Lefties losing it plass the latest from

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Speaker 5: the US.

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Speaker 3: Including President Trump's seaspy deal with Iran. John Heindereker is

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Speaker 3: up next. Welcome back. It's time for lefties losing it.

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Speaker 3: Let's go to the red state of Georgia and see

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Speaker 3: who the left is are hoping will be elected to

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Speaker 3: the Georgia State House.

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Speaker 10: Hi, I'm Aaron Baker and I am an openly trans

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Speaker 10: Jewish lesbian running for Georgia State House.

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Speaker 1: Hi, and I'm Jeremioli.

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Speaker 7: I am a straight white atheist man running for Georgia

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Speaker 7: State House.

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Speaker 11: We're both strong progressives.

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Speaker 3: Ah so progressive and inclusive and diverse except just to

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Speaker 3: white dudes. You know I've missed my favorite crazy eyed

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Speaker 3: Swedish miscreant. She's so special despite her limited schooling. Grena

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Speaker 3: Thumberg is an expert on the climate and geopolitics, and

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Speaker 3: now she's an expert on genocide and war crimes.

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Speaker 4: The President of the United States just said that a

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Speaker 4: whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again,

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Speaker 4: and no one is reacting. This speaks for itself. What

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Speaker 4: the is anyone even doing at this point? We have

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Speaker 4: normalized genocide, total annihilation of entire people, the systematic destruction

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Speaker 4: of the biosphere which we are all depending on to survive,

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Speaker 4: and that corrupt, racist war criminals can act with complete impunity.

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Speaker 4: But even though we have allowed far too much so far,

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Speaker 4: it is not too late to say stop. If we don't,

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Speaker 4: we shouldn't be able to call ourselves human.

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Speaker 3: Oh huh, And I've never called you human. I've called

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Speaker 3: you a Swedish doom goblin more than once, and called

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Speaker 3: you a demented clown. And I'm sure we'll come up

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Speaker 3: with some new ones as the year progresses. Now to

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Speaker 3: failed late night TV hosts Stephen Colbert, who.

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Speaker 5: Suddenly cares a lot about gas prices. But it wasn't

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Speaker 5: always that way.

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Speaker 12: Somehow, President Businessman didn't see all this coming.

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Speaker 2: Reportedly, this weekend's oil.

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Speaker 12: Price by caught White House staffers off guard. According to

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Speaker 12: one it was insane, but it's going to cost. Since

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Speaker 12: the invasion, oil prices have skyrocketed. Today, the average gas

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Speaker 12: price in America hit an all time record high of

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Speaker 12: over four dollars per gallon. Okay, that stings, but a

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Speaker 12: clean conscience is worth a buck or two.

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Speaker 11: I'm willing to pay four dollars a gallon. Hell, I'll

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Speaker 11: pay fifteen.

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Speaker 12: Dollars a gallon because I drive a tesla.

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Speaker 5: Isn't that funny?

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Speaker 3: In twenty twenty two was all about a clean conscience.

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Speaker 3: But Stephen Cobbett doesn't seem to give us stuff about Iranians,

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Speaker 3: more than ninety million Iranians living under an Islamist dictatorship,

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Speaker 3: and doesn't seem to care about the women there who's

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Speaker 3: face being beaten, raped, and even murdered by the regime

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Speaker 3: for fighting for their freedom.

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Speaker 5: Maybe got rid of his tesla.

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Speaker 3: Now we all know what happens at the midterms. Their

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Speaker 3: party in power takes a hit, often a big hit,

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Speaker 3: and with the war in Iran and rising gas prices

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Speaker 3: and the media hysteria around well everything, the Democrats are

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Speaker 3: expecting to win big, big in November. But there's some

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Speaker 3: polling suggesting that may be wish for thinking.

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Speaker 5: Take it away. CNN polling expert.

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Speaker 13: Harry Enton net favorability party I had at that point

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Speaker 13: midterm of years with a GOP president in twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 13: Dems were up by twelve in two thousand and six

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Speaker 13: on net favorability which part you like more? Demsra head

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Speaker 13: by eighteen. Republicans are actually a that favorability at this

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Speaker 13: point by five points. So Democrats are just simply put

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Speaker 13: running behind their previous benchmarks, and they need to be

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Speaker 13: running well ahead of them if they want to take

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Speaker 13: back the United States Senate.

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Speaker 3: Let's bring in Center for the American Experiment, President and

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Speaker 3: co founder of the popular power Line blog, John Heindereika. John,

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Speaker 3: we will get to today's developments in the war against

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Speaker 3: Iran very shortly.

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Speaker 5: But what do you make of that polling? It's not isolated.

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Speaker 3: Another poll, also by CNN, showed that just twenty eight

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Speaker 3: percent of Americans view the Democratic Party positively, and even

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Speaker 3: Democrat voters have had enough of Democrats, with fifty six

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Speaker 3: percent of Democrat voters seeing the party in an unfavorable light.

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Speaker 5: John, Yeah, the.

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Speaker 10: Problem the Democrats have read it is that their policies

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Speaker 10: are so extreme that they can't really even talk about them.

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Speaker 10: Most Americans are not socialists. They don't want more illegal

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Speaker 10: immigration and so on, and so the Democrats platform consists

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Speaker 10: mostly of hitting Trump. That plays well with their base,

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Speaker 10: But they tend to live in a bubble, and they

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Speaker 10: don't seem to realize how out of touch they are

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Speaker 10: with most voters. So we'll see. Both the House and

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Speaker 10: the Senate are very closely divided. The election could go

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Speaker 10: either way depending on how things go between now and

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Speaker 10: the fall.

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Speaker 3: Now, let's go to the war against the Iranian regime,

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Speaker 3: and President Trump went from threatening the destruction of Iran

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Speaker 3: if they failed to make a deal, he said a

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Speaker 3: whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back.

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Speaker 3: He posted that to now he's declared a two week ceasefire.

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Speaker 3: The New York Times reports the deal came about after

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Speaker 3: Iran accepted Pakistan's two week ceasefire proposal, following frantic diplomatic

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Speaker 3: efforts by Pakistan and last mind intervention by China, which

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Speaker 3: urged Iran to show flexibility and diffuse tensions amid growing

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Speaker 3: concerns about the economic devastation from damages to critical infrastructure.

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Speaker 3: John that report from the New York Times, relied on

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Speaker 3: three Iranian officials. They also said the ceasefire was approved

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Speaker 3: by the new Supreme Leader, which who may or may

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Speaker 3: not be even alive. What do you make of the

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Speaker 3: last few hours.

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Speaker 10: Well, on that last point, read, I'm pretty sure the

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Speaker 10: Aatola had nothing to do with that, assuming that he's

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Speaker 10: even alive and conscious. I think that Trump's threat, which

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Speaker 10: is a little bit over the top, is what finally

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Speaker 10: succeeded in getting the Iranians to open up the street

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Speaker 10: of horror moves. In my opinion, the only thing the

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Speaker 10: Iranians can give right now is opening up the street,

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Speaker 10: which they have done, and I think it was the

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Speaker 10: threat to bomb power plants and bridges that did that.

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Speaker 10: Beyond that, we'll see whether there really is an agreement

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Speaker 10: and how reasonable the Iranians will at least purport to be.

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Speaker 5: Well, this is what people don't seem to understand.

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Speaker 3: When President Trump posts retrick like that, there's a goal

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Speaker 3: in sight and there's a strategy at play, And I

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Speaker 3: can't believe after all these years, people are just continuously

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Speaker 3: shocked and can't believe what is being said.

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Speaker 5: Now, there are reports that President.

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Speaker 3: Trump has been receptive to a ten point proposal from

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Speaker 3: the Iranians, who, after being threatened with being sent back

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Speaker 3: to the Stone Ages, are suddenly being reasonable. What do

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Speaker 3: you make of that, John, And also China's involvement here

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Speaker 3: is interesting. Iran is increasingly isolated and its biggest allies

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Speaker 3: have been really missing during this conflict, and the pressure

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Speaker 3: China would have exerted for them to be reasonable, I

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Speaker 3: think would be taken very seriously by the regime.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, well, let's.

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Speaker 10: Start with China. A. China buys about eighty percent of

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Speaker 10: Iran's oil exports, and they also get a lot of

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Speaker 10: their oil from Venezuela as well as Iran. There's no

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Speaker 10: more cheap oil coming from Venezuela, so China is very

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Speaker 10: concerned about keeping the oil flowing from Iran. It makes

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Speaker 10: sense that they would pressure Iran not to rock the boat.

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Speaker 10: And it's notable to know that Russia has been completely

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Speaker 10: a wall supposedly Iran's other major ally, they've done nothing

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Speaker 10: because they've got their hands full with Ukraine. So Iran

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Speaker 10: has really been isolated in this conflict.

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Speaker 3: Now, President Trump has said that the Iranians are world

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Speaker 3: class bullshit artist. That's a direct quote, can the Americans

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Speaker 3: trust any agreement with this regime? Because it's something that

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Speaker 3: many in the Obama administration seem to be blindsided by

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Speaker 3: what they were told and what was reality were two

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Speaker 3: very different things. How can the Americans trust anything coming

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Speaker 3: from this regime?

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Speaker 10: Reader, We absolutely can't trust any agreement with Iran. They

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Speaker 10: might promise not to seek nuclear weapons or to stop

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Speaker 10: supporting terrorism, but as long as the regime remains in place,

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Speaker 10: they're going to abandon those promises as soon as they

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Speaker 10: are able. And that's why. The important thing is that

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Speaker 10: we have devastated Iran's military capabilities, We've eliminated most of

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Speaker 10: their leadership, and damaged their economy. It's going to be

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Speaker 10: quite a while before Iran can again be a serious threat.

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Speaker 10: But I don't think anybody in America is putting much

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Speaker 10: weight and any agreement that Iran's leaders might enter into.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 3: Iran's National Security Council claims that negotiations with the US

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Speaker 3: are under the supervision of the gay Ayatola, who may

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Speaker 3: be dead for all we know. He has not been

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Speaker 3: seen since he was announced as new Supreme leader, and

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Speaker 3: there are intelligence reports claiming he is unconscious and unable

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Speaker 3: to be involved in any decision making.

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Speaker 5: He may even be dead.

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Speaker 3: He was severely, certainly injured in the strikes that killed

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Speaker 3: his father. That's what the intelligence reports suggest. Where is

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Speaker 3: the power base now, John, Who will be the Supreme

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Speaker 3: Leader going into the future. What does that regime look

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Speaker 3: like now, given it has been so severely decimated.

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Speaker 10: Well, I think the fact that we're not even sure

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Speaker 10: whether the so called Supreme Leader is even alive kind

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Speaker 10: of tells us everything we need to know. I think

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Speaker 10: he is at best a figurehead. I think the IRGC

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Speaker 10: is now firmly in control of Iran. They're the military force,

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Speaker 10: They've got the guns, they've got the power. But given

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Speaker 10: how their leadership has been decimated too, I'm not sure

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Speaker 10: if we really know who's in charge of that organization.

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Speaker 5: John Moore on.

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Speaker 3: That incredible rescue of a missing an injured airman who

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Speaker 3: was in hostile Iranian territory. President Trump has revealed an

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Speaker 3: investigation has been launched into how news of this man's

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Speaker 3: existence was leaked.

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Speaker 14: But these two extraordinary rescuers because it was too and

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Speaker 14: as you probably know, we didn't talk about the first

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Speaker 14: one for an hour, and then somebody leaked something which

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Speaker 14: will hopefully.

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Speaker 1: Find that liquor.

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Speaker 14: We're looking very hard to find that liquor, and talked

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Speaker 14: about there's somebody missing. They basically said that we have

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Speaker 14: one and there's somebody missing. Well, they didn't know there

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Speaker 14: was somebody missing until this leakuer gave the information.

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Speaker 3: John President Trump went on to threaten those protecting this

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Speaker 3: liaker with jail.

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Speaker 5: How serious was this leak.

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Speaker 3: Surely anyone in the military would know that releasing this

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Speaker 3: information put that man's life in extreme danger.

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Speaker 10: Well, the leak was potentially very serious and told ram

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Speaker 10: that there was a missing guy. We rescued one, we

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Speaker 10: hadn't rescued the other. It told them that he is

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Speaker 10: on the loose somewhere of their in Iranian territory, and

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Speaker 10: they almost captured him. It was a very serious reach

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Speaker 10: of security and I'm not sure where the leak was

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Speaker 10: first published. I've seen different reports about that, but national

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Speaker 10: security leaks are a serious matter and they can carry

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Speaker 10: criminal penalties. I think the administration is right to try

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Speaker 10: to get to the bottom of this.

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Speaker 14: Now.

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Speaker 3: I'm interested in your take on some former Trump supporters

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Speaker 3: like Tucker Carlson and Candace Owen who have become awfully

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Speaker 3: critical of the Trump administration of late Candace Owen's posted

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Speaker 3: this tweet earlier today, shortly before the ceasefire was announced.

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Speaker 3: She said the twenty fifth Amendment needs to be in vote.

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Speaker 3: He is our genocidal lunatic, refers to Trump, our Congress

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Speaker 3: and military need to intervene. We are beyond madness. Now

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Speaker 3: what do you make of all that, John.

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Speaker 10: Well, I mean, it's just crazy. Candace describes the administration

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Speaker 10: as satanic. She apparently is calling for a military coup

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Speaker 10: to remove President Trump from power. You know, I used

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Speaker 10: to consider Candace Sowe as a friend. She's a very

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Speaker 10: talented person, but like Tucker Carlson, she has gone completely

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Speaker 10: off the deep end. She's subscribed to one crazy conspiracy

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Speaker 10: theory after another, and I think, frankly, she's become mentally unstable.

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Speaker 10: And it's very sad to see.

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Speaker 14: Now.

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Speaker 3: The House seat vacated by Marjorie Taylor Green has been

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Speaker 3: won by Republican congressional candidate Clay Fuller, who was backed

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Speaker 3: by President Trump.

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Speaker 5: The win is going to.

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Speaker 3: Give Holse Speaker Mike Johnson a little bit of breathing room.

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Speaker 3: John This is not so much a try. I am

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Speaker 3: as relief for the GOOPA. You would suggest that couldn't

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Speaker 3: afford to lose this seat, and the Democrats had a

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Speaker 3: really solid candidate here. Sean Harris, a retired Army brigadier

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Speaker 3: general and cattle producer. How do you see this race

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Speaker 3: and what does it again tell you about the midterms?

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Speaker 10: Well, Rita, you're absolutely right, this is a seat the

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Speaker 10: Republicans should carry easily, but special elections can be unpredictable

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Speaker 10: because turnout is low and as you mentioned, Democrats love

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Speaker 10: to run conservatives and districts like this one. So yeah,

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Speaker 10: it's very much believed to see the seat to stay

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Speaker 10: in GOP hands. It's too close. We can't afford upsets.

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Speaker 3: Now before you go, The war against Iran has highlighted

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Speaker 3: the rivalry, the ideological split between the leading contenders. For

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty eight. JD Vance, the vice president of Marco

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Speaker 3: Rubio d Evans is still the favorite, certainly with the bookmakers.

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Speaker 3: How do you say that battle, John, Will the candidate

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Speaker 3: come from those two contenders and who is the favorite

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Speaker 3: in your eyes?

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Speaker 10: Well, if they are the contenders, and we don't know

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Speaker 10: for sure that Marco Rubio is going to be a contender.

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Speaker 10: I hope you will be if those two are in

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Speaker 10: the race, they are the favorites. Nobody else I think

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Speaker 10: is going to be a serious possibility. And Marco Rubio

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Speaker 10: represents a more traditional, more internationalist brand of Republicanism, while JD.

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Speaker 10: Vance is seen as representing the isolationist interpretation of America.

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Speaker 11: First.

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Speaker 10: As you know, Rita, I am very much a Marco

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Speaker 10: Rubio fan. I think he's a terrific candidate. He's doing

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Speaker 10: a great job as Secretary of State, and I think

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Speaker 10: isolationism is very dangerous. It's dangerous for America and it's dangerous.

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Speaker 1: For the world.

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Speaker 5: John Heinderrecher think is so much for your time tonight.

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Speaker 10: Thank you, Ritter.

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Speaker 3: Still to come entertainment news plus the latest bizarre developments

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Speaker 3: involving Christie Nomes cross dressing husband Michael Loftus is up next.

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Speaker 5: Welcome back.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's been another twist in the saga of Christi

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Speaker 3: Nomes cross dressing husband Brian. Brian Nomes got a liking

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Speaker 3: for oversized fake breasts. We know that much, but it's

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Speaker 3: now been revealed that he was bankrolling an only fans

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Speaker 3: gal named Nicole Rackagano. Not only is he reported to

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Speaker 3: have professed his love for her, but he may have

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Speaker 3: paid for her oversized breasts, and I don't think hers

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Speaker 3: are made out of balloons. In a series of messages

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Speaker 3: uncovered by The Daily, mal Brian told Ragano, I seem

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Speaker 3: to be falling in.

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Speaker 5: Love with you. I do love you. I would love

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Speaker 5: to marry you.

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Speaker 3: Joining me now is writer, comic and editor of Theloftersparty

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Speaker 3: dot com Michael Lofters. Michael, last week we called this

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Speaker 3: story bizarre. I think we've gone well past that point now.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, we bizarre is like miles and miles behind us.

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Speaker 15: And I don't think that there's these the the this

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Speaker 15: could take any more twists. I don't need any more

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Speaker 15: twists in this story. It's weird enough. And let me

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Speaker 15: tell you, kids, if you're listening when you're when you're

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Speaker 15: when you have to pay people to be.

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Speaker 11: Your friend, you probably haven't made a good life choice.

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Speaker 15: Like like your when your girlfriend is on OnlyFans, you've

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Speaker 15: got some issues.

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Speaker 3: I do wonder about these men who think that having

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Speaker 3: real relationships with girls on OnlyFans, I mean probably most

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Speaker 3: of their chats with another man who's being paid by

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Speaker 3: the hour to pretend to be a particular girl. But

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Speaker 3: to have these men who are married in this instance

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Speaker 3: engaging in this sort of behavior.

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Speaker 5: My god.

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Speaker 3: Now let's go to the UK and the Wireless Festival

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Speaker 3: is now being canceled after Carnee West was sensationally banned

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Speaker 3: from entering the country over his past anti Semitic comments.

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Speaker 3: Both the Labor government in the UK and the Tories

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Speaker 3: back this ban, but the man leading the polls Reform

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Speaker 3: UK leader, Nigel Farage, believes banning Carnie is a dangerous move, the.

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Speaker 2: Sort of rabbit hole of antisemitism, Nazism, but he's gone

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Speaker 2: down is vile. But I think if we start banning

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Speaker 2: people from entering the country because we don't like what

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Speaker 2: they say, I worry where that ends up. So I

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Speaker 2: think it's a dangerous path to go down, suspect Ross.

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Speaker 1: The answer to.

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Speaker 2: This is the free market will sort this out, and

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Speaker 2: what sponsors are with drawing already? The festival itself is threatened,

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Speaker 2: and I suspect very few people will buy tickets.

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Speaker 3: Michael, I disagree with him there. Kanye West shows have

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Speaker 3: been sellouts, including his last two just in recent days

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Speaker 3: in LA and Bowl reports the hype around them is huge.

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Speaker 3: What do you make of this decision to ban him

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Speaker 3: for comments is made in the past, which is now disavowed.

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Speaker 3: He has apologized for those comments.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, people are allowed to make mistakes.

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Speaker 15: You say a lot of stupid things. You realize you

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Speaker 15: were stupid, You apologize, You move on. Kanye did that

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Speaker 15: show at Sofi Stadium and the stage was just Magnet said.

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Speaker 15: These two shows were huge, and I say if Kanye

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Speaker 15: wanted to come into the UK, he could do it.

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Speaker 15: All he needs is like an inflatable rubber raft and

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Speaker 15: a machete. Keir Starmer would have to let him in.

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Speaker 5: He should.

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Speaker 3: If you go to France and just get in one

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Speaker 3: of those little boats and go across the channel, I'm

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Speaker 3: sure he'll be, you know, put up at a hotel

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Speaker 3: in no time now staying with Carnie and a source

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Speaker 3: close to the rapper has told Page six he is

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Speaker 3: happy for his ex wife Kim Kardashian to have a

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Speaker 3: relationship with Formula one driver Lewis Hamilton. The source said,

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Speaker 3: this is a good thing. Krnie isn't questioning is Lewis

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Speaker 3: a good person. He's a sweet, smart person, a good

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Speaker 3: person and an incredible athlete. Michael he wasn't so accepting

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Speaker 3: of Pete Davidson, was he So it's again growth here

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Speaker 3: from Carnie that he's not railing against his ex wife's

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Speaker 3: new partner.

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Speaker 11: Well, here's the deal. Kim's new man has some money.

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Speaker 15: Davidson doesn't have any money, so Kanye is just waiting

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Speaker 15: for the phone to ring Kim cry and asking for

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Speaker 15: a new Ferrari or something. So now Kanye can relax

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Speaker 15: because the new boyfriend has some money and Kim is

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Speaker 15: actually looking to reconcile with Kanye. That's what I'm hearing,

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Speaker 15: because Kanye made thirty three million dollars in one night

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Speaker 15: with those two concerts.

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Speaker 5: I've heard the earn Per concert.

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Speaker 3: He is absolutely astronomical and it wouldn't be a cheap

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Speaker 3: concert to stage because, as you mentioned, the stage and

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Speaker 3: the whole production was quite incredible. Now, on this relationship

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Speaker 3: between Lewis Hamilton and Kim kard Kim Kardashian didn't Lowis

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Speaker 3: Hamilton date one of Kim's sisters. I mean, what sort

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Speaker 3: of family is this?

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Speaker 15: A weird family? A family I think you want to

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Speaker 15: stay away from. How awkward is it going to be

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Speaker 15: at Christmas time at the Kardashians house Hey, Chloe, this

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Speaker 15: is my boyfriend.

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Speaker 11: Hey, I think you already know him.

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Speaker 15: You know him? Mom? Do you know everybody's going to

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Speaker 15: know this guy? Like Biblically, it's not good. The Kardashians,

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Speaker 15: they're like sharks, but instead of being able to smell

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Speaker 15: blood miles away, they can smell money, and they just

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Speaker 15: are attracted.

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Speaker 11: Do it. You just got to stand out of the

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Speaker 11: way and hope you don't get bat.

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Speaker 14: Well.

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Speaker 3: I've got to say it's very understanding of Kendall to

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Speaker 3: allow this to happen, because most sisters would say, ah,

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Speaker 3: no way. The billion other blokes in the world stay

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Speaker 3: away from my exes now.

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Speaker 5: President Trump has.

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Speaker 3: Called for the removal of Fox News hosts Jessica Talov

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Speaker 3: after he labeled her a real loser. In a post

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Speaker 3: on truth Social he wrote for Fox executives, only take

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Speaker 3: Jessica Talov off the air. She is, from her voice,

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Speaker 3: to her life and everything else about her, one of

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Speaker 3: the worst personalities on television. A real loser. People cannot

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Speaker 3: stand watching her. Michael, what do you make of the

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Speaker 3: President's personnel advice to Fox News. I'm going to say

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Speaker 3: I like seeing Jessica go head to head with Greg

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Speaker 3: Gutfeld or Jesse Waters on the program on the five.

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Speaker 5: I think it's a nice dynamic.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, it's wonderful.

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Speaker 15: And God bless Jessica that she can keep coming back

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Speaker 15: day after day and being proven wrong day after day

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Speaker 15: and then still shows up with a smile on her

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Speaker 15: face and some goofy idea in her head.

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Speaker 11: And how about Donald Trump? This guy President Trump.

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Speaker 15: Really he's doing the tariffs, he's doing the American economy.

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Speaker 15: There's the war in Iran, and then he's like, hold on,

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Speaker 15: I think I should oversee the staffing at Fox News

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Speaker 15: as well. I think I could do a lot of things.

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Speaker 15: Get that Easter bunny in the suit, We'll get out there.

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Speaker 11: He's amazing.

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Speaker 3: It is quite remarkable that he can offer this sort

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Speaker 3: of detailed advice to Fox News executives when he's got

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Speaker 3: a fair bit on his plate. Now talking about Greg Guttfeld,

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Speaker 3: he is again the number one late night TV host

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Speaker 3: and buy some margin, well ahead of the likes of

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Speaker 3: Stephen Colbert and Jimmy Kimmel and Jimmy Fallon. Why is

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Speaker 3: he so successful, Michael, He's just absolutely killing it in

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Speaker 3: the ratings.

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Speaker 11: I think it all comes down to one of his guests.

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Speaker 5: Oh, of course, naturally.

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Speaker 11: Wonderful thing where I was.

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Speaker 15: I worked in television for a long time, and the

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Speaker 15: Gutfel Show is the last great example of a real

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Speaker 15: talk show. You don't know what's gonna happen, you don't

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Speaker 15: know what the guests are gonna says. It's real, it's genuine,

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Speaker 15: it's a great conversation, and it's very funny. With these

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Speaker 15: other guys, Colbert and and blah blah. You already know

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Speaker 15: how they lean you already. You're writing the jokes before

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Speaker 15: they say it, and that makes it boring. And that's

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Speaker 15: the death of comedy. When you can predict it. Comedy's over.

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Speaker 3: Now before you go, I've got to ask you about

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Speaker 3: this lawsuit against radio shop Jog Howard Stern and his

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Speaker 3: wife Beth.

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Speaker 5: It's been revealed that they've got some.

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Speaker 3: Very unusual and strict guidelines imposed on their staff. Former

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Speaker 3: executive assistant to the couple, Leslie Kuhn, is suing them

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Speaker 3: for creating a hostile work environment. The suit alleges that

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Speaker 3: Kuhn was asked to sign a non disclosure agreement forbidding

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Speaker 3: her to.

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Speaker 5: Discuss all the usual.

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Speaker 3: Things that these agreements to typically cover, but a whole

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Speaker 3: bunch of other stuff too, like the couple's personal habits,

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Speaker 3: from their food preferences to their sleep habits. Michael, why

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Speaker 3: are they so paranoid about something like their preference for

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Speaker 3: I don't know, biscuits being revealed? I mean, who do

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Speaker 3: they think they are?

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Speaker 11: That's the great question. Who do they think they are?

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Speaker 15: But the reason they don't want her to divulge this

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Speaker 15: is because they thought they were going to get endorsement deals.

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Speaker 15: This is Howard Stern squeezing every last nickel that he

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Speaker 15: can possibly get. What was shocking to me was the

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Speaker 15: amount of money that this personal assistant girl was getting paid.

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Speaker 15: She was making over a quarter of a million dollars

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Speaker 15: a year.

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Speaker 11: I think that's a pretty good deal. I think you're

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Speaker 11: okay for a quarter of a million dollars a year.

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Speaker 15: You can be throwing spaghetti noodles at each other and

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Speaker 15: calling each other, oh my peanut, butter cup of love.

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Speaker 11: I won't tell anybody, I'll keep my mouth shut. Just

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Speaker 11: keep that quarter of a milk coming.

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Speaker 3: Oh you would think so, but oh my god, spending

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Speaker 3: day and night with Howard Stern or I don't know

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Speaker 3: if quarter of a million enough it's scary.

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Speaker 15: Now, it's scary no one, no one wants no.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Michael Loftus, always a pleasure. Thanks for your time tonight,

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Speaker 3: and that's all the time we have.

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Speaker 5: Newsnight is up next