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Speaker 1: This fits in with her with Kate Ritchie podcast. Let's

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Speaker 1: talk about Matthew Perry. Guys, we're learning more and more

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Speaker 1: as we change a pace here this morning. What's interesting too,

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Speaker 1: we tried to get the pickleball coach on who's been

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Speaker 1: doing a little bit of press. He's flat out and

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Speaker 1: obviously emotionally moved by the passing of Matthew. What's interesting

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Speaker 1: was he said that Matthew Perry was using pickleball to

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Speaker 1: combat his addiction. So it was a fantastic distraction for you.

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Speaker 2: Can you explain what pickleball is?

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Speaker 1: A small game of a cross between tennis, like short

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Speaker 1: court course tennis, but you use a bat, so it's

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Speaker 1: almost like across against a wall. No, no, it's got

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Speaker 1: a nest. It's just a small version of it. It's

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Speaker 1: massive in the States, fastest growing sport, they believe. And

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Speaker 1: I was still going to mate Brad Blanks the other

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Speaker 1: day and he said, I can't believe people in Australia

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Speaker 1: aren't playing pickleball yet. It's huge. But he used that

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Speaker 1: game as a distraction and that's why when they talk

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Speaker 1: about him playing pickleball for a couple of hours, that

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Speaker 1: was sort of his thing, so he wasn't caught up

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Speaker 1: in his own head with addiction. I've never I've never

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Speaker 1: experienced addiction. I've been lucky enough to never have that,

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Speaker 1: but I know it does hit a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: And alcoholism as a disease is very confronting to think

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Speaker 1: about that. You would have that need where you can't

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Speaker 1: do anything without that. I think that's a really really

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Speaker 1: scary place to play.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people say that it is something that

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Speaker 2: you are born with. You are born with that physical

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Speaker 2: disease that your body needs alcohol right and you can't

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Speaker 2: say no to it. And there's a lot of people

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Speaker 2: that I know. It's not until you get a bit

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Speaker 2: older that you go just a lot of people that

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Speaker 2: you meet that you go okay, I understand now they

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Speaker 2: don't know when to stuff like you know, we've boozed.

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Speaker 2: There's always been a point where, you know, a lot

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Speaker 2: of people can go okay, I've enough for you. Too

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Speaker 2: many I might settle down, but there's always.

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Speaker 1: I've got a mate like that where I'll say to him,

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Speaker 1: did you not know that that was enough? And this

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Speaker 1: is sort of different to alcoholism. It's more of a

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Speaker 1: drinking problem, but not so much alcoholism, and he says,

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Speaker 1: I never consider what the next class.

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Speaker 2: Was do no, oh, my gosh, and then they wake

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Speaker 2: up the next day and can't remember what they did.

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Speaker 1: Dangerous frame of mind. Anyway, interesting to hear and learn

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Speaker 1: a little bit more about addiction. And this was Matthew

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Speaker 1: Perry talking about his alcoholism and the battle that he has.

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Speaker 3: And alcoholism did not care that I was on friends,

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Speaker 3: and alcoholisms did not care about any of that. Alcoholism

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Speaker 3: wants you alone, it wants you sick, and then it

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Speaker 3: wants to kill you. In the book, I say I

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Speaker 3: compared to the Joker, because the joker just wants to

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Speaker 3: see the whole world burn. And so does alcoholism and addiction.

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Speaker 3: And it took over decades of my life. And I

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Speaker 3: pray to you, if you worry that you're having this problem,

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Speaker 3: or you know somebody that is, raise your hand, find

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Speaker 3: somebody who's smarter than you about this and talk to

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Speaker 3: them and be honest about it, because there are people

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Speaker 3: that will help you and get there. It doesn't go away.

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Speaker 3: It never goes away.

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Speaker 2: The one thing that the sad thing about Matthew Perry,

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Speaker 2: he tried so many times. I read an article the

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Speaker 2: other day that he spent. He and his family spent

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Speaker 2: twenty two million dollars in rehab sentence.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, and.

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Speaker 2: He went fifteen different times. Now that's not just for

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Speaker 2: a week now, some of those he's in there for

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Speaker 2: six months to a year trying to get himself right again.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what was interesting? This next part that

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Speaker 1: I want to play to you is from the BBC

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Speaker 1: and there's a debate on drug reform and Matthew Perry

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Speaker 1: did some amazing work helping people understand addiction and campaign

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Speaker 1: heavily for support with addiction. But you'll hear the moment

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Speaker 1: in this conversation where he's talking with a guy who's

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Speaker 1: written a book who says that the reason people become

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Speaker 1: addicted is because they don't have willpower and Matthew and

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Speaker 1: when Matthew Perry starts to debate that, this guy puts

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Speaker 1: a ridiculu of us look and smile on his face,

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Speaker 1: which sets Matthew Perry off.

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Speaker 4: Have a listen, I'm a person that if I have

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Speaker 4: a drink, I can't stop, and so it would be

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Speaker 4: following your ideology that I'm choosing to do that that

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Speaker 4: I'm choosing exactly my not my ideology is my belief. Yes,

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Speaker 4: you do choose it is and it's been to believe

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Speaker 4: that you wrote in your book, correct, you have a choice.

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Speaker 4: People constantly stop both drinking and so.

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Speaker 3: You can drink.

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Speaker 4: You're just the worst talking.

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Speaker 1: It will on your part not to do it now,

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Speaker 1: isn't it.

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Speaker 4: I'm in control of the first drink, and so I

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Speaker 4: do all these things to protect myself from not having

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Speaker 4: the first drink. But once I have that drink, the

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Speaker 4: allergy of the body kicks in. This is all documented

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Speaker 4: alcoholism proof. Then I then I can't stop after that.

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Speaker 1: It's fascinating to learn about. It's sad to learn about

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Speaker 1: anybody else. But I think he makes a great point

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Speaker 1: in that first part that we played. If anybody is

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Speaker 1: going through that at the moment, or knows somebody going

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Speaker 1: through it, put your hand up and find somebody that

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Speaker 1: knows more about it than you and get that help.

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Speaker 1: Very important.

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