Speaker 1: Hello, super Coaches, Welcome to the AFL Supercoach Show, your
Speaker 1: in and out guide to the greatest game on Earth
Speaker 1: AFL super Coach. We've got round twenty in the bag
Speaker 1: and round twenty to preview. Your regular host, James Clements
Speaker 1: is on leave, so hi Al Paydenham in the hosting
Speaker 1: chair today and I will be joined by three of
Speaker 1: the brightest super coach minds on this little blue marble
Speaker 1: we call planet Earth. I think that's how James normally
Speaker 1: does is the Phantom will be jumping on very soon
Speaker 1: to talk. Well, there's not too many bubble boys, but
Speaker 1: there's plenty to talk about. Still with the Fantom and
Speaker 1: in studio. This is a big day because back with
Speaker 1: us is Patch.
Speaker 2: Hello, welcome, good a. How are you. I'm good and very excited,
Speaker 2: very excited. Do you do you want to? Should I
Speaker 2: introduce him?
Speaker 3: You're introducing him now? I suppose that it's the host
Speaker 3: spoke job. Yes, sitting between us is.
Speaker 1: One of the great men of the fantasy world of
Speaker 1: super Coach fandom out there.
Speaker 3: Will know let Dog.
Speaker 1: As readers of Code Sports might know him from the
Speaker 1: byline on some articles you've been writing this year. But
Speaker 1: welcome for the first time to the official podcast in
Speaker 1: this form, but certainly not the first time sitting beside
Speaker 1: the great patch to record a Super Coach podcast.
Speaker 4: No, well, thank you for having me al And it
Speaker 4: is very weird having done like ten almost ten years
Speaker 4: with the podcast and never being in the same room
Speaker 4: as the man next day. So the first one we've
Speaker 4: done together in the same room, and it's for someone else,
Speaker 4: but it's for someone else. It's a very good podcast
Speaker 4: to be joining each other on.
Speaker 5: It's Oh, it's very nice to be able to see
Speaker 5: your face in the flesh and being able to hang
Speaker 5: out in person.
Speaker 4: And we can touch, we can touch. It's fantastic. We
Speaker 4: can kiss, we could and we will we will later
Speaker 4: at the end.
Speaker 3: Of describer only content can be up there.
Speaker 1: But if you're not familiar with the Great Jock Reynolds podcast,
Speaker 1: of course some pats with the merge there now sadly
Speaker 1: in the rear vision mirror. But some of the piney
Speaker 1: of Supercoach podcasting is these two gentlemen, of course, part
Speaker 1: of that great institution. So great to have you on
Speaker 1: board and just keep the flame alive a little bit
Speaker 1: for the great job community which is still out there
Speaker 1: still out there.
Speaker 4: Some of them have their own websites, most of them
Speaker 4: are on Twitter. It's great and I'm still in leagues
Speaker 4: with everyone that used to listen, so it's fantastic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's lovely.
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Speaker 1: rap and the heroes and villains from round twenty.
Speaker 3: Do you want to kick us off patch?
Speaker 1: I think if my Twitter scanning was accurate over the weekend,
Speaker 1: you use your final trade.
Speaker 5: I did use, so we'll start with the villain and
Speaker 5: the villain is sitting next to me. Hello, Lec Dog, Hello.
Speaker 5: So I used my final trade this week. I had
Speaker 5: to get rid of Zach Fisher out. The rule was
Speaker 5: if he was out out of a donut, he was out.
Speaker 5: Mckirschell was out as well, So two donuts, one trade.
Speaker 2: What's a going to do? Panic?
Speaker 5: Anyway, Fisher had to go because I hope, think, maybe
Speaker 5: pray that mckirsch will be back next week. I had
Speaker 5: Zach Fisher's four hundred and seventy odd one thousand dollars
Speaker 5: plus my big bank of five hundred dollars, and I
Speaker 5: turned to the person I always turned to an a crisis,
Speaker 5: being lack, and asked him what the hell I should do?
Speaker 2: Who do I bring in?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 5: Surely is just Jesse Hogan right? And turns out it wasn't.
Speaker 5: Jesse Hogan was the correct answer.
Speaker 2: Do you want to talk?
Speaker 3: Sogan scored ninety something on the weekend?
Speaker 2: Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 4: Make it on my field. I had him on the bench.
Speaker 5: So do you want to tell all the wonderful people
Speaker 5: at home who did end up coming in?
Speaker 4: Well, there was a lot of back and forth.
Speaker 2: There was a lot of back and forth.
Speaker 4: We've decided ultimately that having DPP mid forward cover would
Speaker 4: be best suited for your specific circumstances. I think that's
Speaker 4: still true.
Speaker 2: Yes, it is true.
Speaker 4: We had plenty of off like James Petling was thrown out.
Speaker 4: He scored one hundred and thirty three.
Speaker 5: Was he was your first option? And I pushed back
Speaker 5: saying he'll be the sub at some point. Still believe
Speaker 5: that because GWS don't like him, he ran over to
Speaker 5: Adam Kingsley Cat obviously, so he was out and we
Speaker 5: ended up.
Speaker 4: With Mason Wood.
Speaker 5: Naturally, very good year for the most part he's had.
Speaker 5: He's a very very good draft like very like left
Speaker 5: field draft selection, which is what is now your wheelhouse
Speaker 5: is where I live on that front. But yeah, it
Speaker 5: was just very funny that I had Mason Wood scoring
Speaker 5: sixty something as every other secular player turned up and
Speaker 5: touristened into shreds and yeah, so that he's my villain
Speaker 5: this week. I just need to shout out the inside
Speaker 5: Mids who managed to be the one of twenty seven
Speaker 5: guesses on Twitter who actually figured out that it was
Speaker 5: Mason Wood.
Speaker 2: Heroes Harry shecheesel with a VC was Chef's kiss.
Speaker 3: And score ranked do we talk about it?
Speaker 5: It was twenty and three hundred and something. But like
Speaker 5: I keep sliding backwards, I will continue sliding backwards in
Speaker 5: rank as long as I have Mason Wood in my
Speaker 5: side and with no more trades with slide and baby.
Speaker 1: And leg How did you go in round twenty and
Speaker 1: maybe a quick recap of your season so far?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I finally got into the top one percent
Speaker 4: for the year I've been. That's sort of my goal
Speaker 4: each year is to finish in the top one percent.
Speaker 4: So we've hit that with four trades and two hundred
Speaker 4: and something came in the bank, So feeling all right
Speaker 4: twy five hundred and seventy two on the weekend, and
Speaker 4: that's with some loopholing that didn't quite work. Hey, that's
Speaker 4: the risk you take with loop holing. My year's been
Speaker 4: pretty standard, to be honest, I always aim to sort
Speaker 4: of jump the ranks from the buyers onwards. Outside of
Speaker 4: round two and three, I never sideways any primo. So
Speaker 4: that's probably partly why I've kind of maintained my rank
Speaker 4: because I've just backed in Kristen Cherry and Brody Grundy
Speaker 4: all year and they've just kind of done their job.
Speaker 4: I had no interest in sidewaysing them when Grundy had
Speaker 4: a bit of perform at the start of the year.
Speaker 4: But yeah, outside of sideways, Like my first team for
Speaker 4: some reason had Alex with It in it at the
Speaker 4: end of round one and he scored twelve and was dropped,
Speaker 4: so he got axed. Mason Redmond got suspended and he
Speaker 4: got axed, and then the next week Haden Young went
Speaker 4: who in hindsight probably should have been a hold. But
Speaker 4: aside from that, I've just backed in, bought in primos
Speaker 4: when I felt like they would make money and score points.
Speaker 4: From that point logically that makes sense. Didn't trade out
Speaker 4: any primos all year, and generally outside a bond, just
Speaker 4: started guys that I thought that were a bit underpriced,
Speaker 4: and at this stage it's going pretty.
Speaker 3: Well and taking a big break in the middle of
Speaker 3: the year to go over there. He's headed that impact
Speaker 3: your possib.
Speaker 4: Positively because I either couldn't make trades and didn't have
Speaker 4: access or forgot about it, or I didn't have time
Speaker 4: to think about it. So I just made the first
Speaker 4: trades that have that came to heapmind and to be honest,
Speaker 4: aside for some greedy points chasing ones with trading in zeros,
Speaker 4: it's worked. So I've had Hogan on the bench, Kerno,
Speaker 4: Hogan and Kerno swapping on the bench in the fard line.
Speaker 4: I've had a board in guys like Walsh and Brashaw.
Speaker 4: I've had all year who's finally coming climbing good and
Speaker 4: he's probably my hero for the week, to be honest.
Speaker 4: One hundred and thirty seven from him, So, yeah, life's
Speaker 4: been pretty good lately, to be honest.
Speaker 5: Well, there's an interesting correlation that we found between like
Speaker 5: being on a podcast and also being in Europe that
Speaker 5: correlates very nicely the supercoach scoring.
Speaker 4: Yeah, history says between the two of us that if
Speaker 4: you go overseas and you stop worrying about supercoach, like
Speaker 4: worrying about podcasting and making your team run smoothly, it
Speaker 4: just can't of organize itself and you do really well.
Speaker 4: And then I did further into it and looked at
Speaker 4: my overall finishing position year on year, and every year
Speaker 4: I haven't done a podcast, I've been in the top
Speaker 4: one percent. Every year I have done a podcast, I
Speaker 4: finished about twenty five thousand. So I don't know what
Speaker 4: that tells you. Over it probably means I was overthinking
Speaker 4: some things.
Speaker 1: Maybe hopefully we don't have to bring you down by
Speaker 1: bringing you back on into the podcasting world. My quick
Speaker 1: wrap up of the weekend a little bit of a
Speaker 1: I've been sliding for a few weeks and sort of
Speaker 1: resurrected things a tiny bit on the weekend twenty five
Speaker 1: six A weeks good to get over the twenty five hundred,
Speaker 1: though there were some pretty big.
Speaker 3: Scores out there.
Speaker 1: Shot back up the rankings about forty spots to just
Speaker 1: outside the top five hundred. So I guess that's probably
Speaker 1: my goal if I can get back in the top
Speaker 1: five hundred. Over the last month.
Speaker 3: Give achieved your first goal going past the Phantom.
Speaker 2: Going past the Phantom.
Speaker 3: That was a little more hmgoing the other way to
Speaker 3: be honest, but.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm sure we'll bring that up when it
Speaker 5: comes on, which I think is the only reason you
Speaker 5: brought him one of the podcast this week.
Speaker 3: There's no rookies or anything, but you just needed to gloat.
Speaker 3: I think that's very fair.
Speaker 1: I brought in Tristan Cherry this week, played about two
Speaker 1: hundred and grand more for him than Nudileck, but still,
Speaker 1: finally that was a very good move put the VC
Speaker 1: on him, so absolutely wrap with one hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: one points first up from him. And that was my
Speaker 1: second last trade going into the week. I think I
Speaker 1: had I was going to get two or three doughnuts
Speaker 1: as well. I've still got Fisher, I've still got m Kircher,
Speaker 1: and neither of those guys obviously were playing. But I
Speaker 1: used the medico Optimizer to somehow I've got Billy Dowling
Speaker 1: from my midfield into my forward line, even though I
Speaker 1: couldn't figure out how to do that.
Speaker 3: But there's some magic going on there for.
Speaker 1: People who have super Coach Plus and can use Optimizer,
Speaker 1: And it got Billy down to cover for me in
Speaker 1: the forward line and brought in Humphreys a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago, paid about ninety grand more for him than
Speaker 1: most people did, but he provided some cover in the
Speaker 1: back line for mckirchie. So that's a sort of helped
Speaker 1: me scrape through this week. And then ideally those guys
Speaker 1: will be back and put the cover back on the bench.
Speaker 1: But all in all, not too bad a week.
Speaker 5: In shout out as well another hero for me, Tim
Speaker 5: Mitchell for trading out Jack Steele. Jack Steel is finally
Speaker 5: good again. We were speaking about correlations. Tim Mitchell no
Speaker 5: longer owning a player is great for their supercoach scoring.
Speaker 4: I feel like he's had a lot of trades that
Speaker 4: have been Jack Steel related.
Speaker 5: I feel like I see somehow gone through sixty trades.
Speaker 5: I don't know how, but he has.
Speaker 3: Was a film.
Speaker 1: I mean, there was just a few seventies scores. I mean,
Speaker 1: Luke Ryan's an interesting one. I guess with Alex Pierce
Speaker 1: out he maybe had to play a bit more key
Speaker 1: defense he did, but yeah, score is obviously no I
Speaker 1: near what he was doing in the first half of
Speaker 1: the year.
Speaker 3: So just the seventy five from him, I guess.
Speaker 1: Most people sort of around just in the ranks have him,
Speaker 1: so it's not killing you. But yeah, if you had
Speaker 1: someone else in that spot who was scoring over one hundred,
Speaker 1: like a Tom Stewart or someone.
Speaker 3: You'd be pretty happy.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Now into the super coach news for the week,
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't say it's massive carnage that we've had
Speaker 1: in recent times, but we do have a couple of
Speaker 1: little things.
Speaker 3: And we need to be aware of.
Speaker 1: Jordan Ridley got subbed oubt in that famous Essenon game
Speaker 1: on Saturday. Practice match, just the thirty three points at
Speaker 1: that stage, and he's got a hip flexustrain and apparently
Speaker 1: will miss at least this week's game against Frio. So
Speaker 1: if you do have him, it's probably a trade at
Speaker 1: this stage of the year if you can facilitate that.
Speaker 1: There was a little bit of news from the Mrrow
Speaker 1: last night. A week for NAT five people anyone still
Speaker 1: has him a week for body yuland which probably not
Speaker 1: too many super coaches have him in their team, but
Speaker 1: it might be good news for Alex Sexton, who might
Speaker 1: be able to come back.
Speaker 3: In to replace him. Maybe maybe yeah, maybe I'm reading
Speaker 3: there's enough.
Speaker 5: Then maybe Matt five will challenge that one week at
Speaker 5: the tribunal as well, So maybe there's good luck for
Speaker 5: anyone that's got him.
Speaker 1: And the other one as I did mention Fisher and mccurchis,
Speaker 1: so mckirche was there with just general soreness.
Speaker 3: The general. We haven't actually had the General too often
Speaker 3: this year, but.
Speaker 5: Well no, because now injuries have names because people are
Speaker 5: a bit smarter, I guess. But when we started the
Speaker 5: part it was General Sowness.
Speaker 4: General Sawns was a way to hide concussions before that
Speaker 4: was well that, to be honest, it was.
Speaker 1: And then Zach Fisher we were worried to get dropped,
Speaker 1: and then he was out with a foot injury apparently.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that might have been away disguised the
Speaker 5: fact that he'd been booted from the team.
Speaker 1: So yeah, we'll be a watch on those two guys.
Speaker 1: And then I guess Jordan Dawson missed a week with
Speaker 1: concussion and then curvis as well. You would think they'll
Speaker 1: be back this week. I guess they have to get
Speaker 1: through training and prove it there they're ready to go
Speaker 1: for this week. But yes, certainly Dawson will be has
Speaker 1: been on a few benches, so people will be happy.
Speaker 4: I'll see him back on the lower end of the
Speaker 4: scale because I think I'm the only owner in super
Speaker 4: Coach that has these two players. Zane True was injured
Speaker 4: in the first opening contest of that game, but apparently
Speaker 4: it's only whitlash, not a concussion. I don't know. And
Speaker 4: Joe Fonti I think his first name is Joe. He's
Speaker 4: on my bench and he's been covered for the last
Speaker 4: couple of weeks, but he didn't even get activated as
Speaker 4: a sub. So I'm filled with dread.
Speaker 2: You've been named the last few weeks here human being?
Speaker 4: Was he's a playing human being?
Speaker 2: He got last week?
Speaker 1: Who sub's not getting activated? What about the probably the
Speaker 1: unluckiest man in super Coach. You're obviously big Carlton man
Speaker 1: David Cunningham last week or was the sub never got activated?
Speaker 1: Scored zero Super Coach points this week? Started injured in
Speaker 1: his first contest of the game, subedubt with zero Super
Speaker 1: Coach points.
Speaker 4: Yes, unfortunately, that's what we've come to express expect from
Speaker 4: our friend David Cunningham. So I look forward to finding
Speaker 4: out what he's doing for a job next year.
Speaker 1: And on that note, we're going to jump straight over
Speaker 1: to South Australia to check in with the Phantom and now,
Speaker 1: as he does every week, dialing in from Parts Unknown,
Speaker 1: the Phantom joins us. Now, Fantom, I can't quite give
Speaker 1: you the introduction that James does every week, but great
Speaker 1: to have you on checking in.
Speaker 3: First of all, how did you go on the weekend?
Speaker 3: What's your rank?
Speaker 6: Looking like this is unbelievable. Our Peyton's gone back past
Speaker 6: me in the overall rankings, booted James off the podcast,
Speaker 6: taken the host chair. He's pretty up and about how
Speaker 6: to go on me. I did slide down the rankings.
Speaker 6: You know my ranking, so don't ask me that out.
Speaker 6: But an indifferent week in Supercoach. No terrible scores from me,
Speaker 6: but no big scores from my pods either. Very tight
Speaker 6: at the top end. I've still got my sights set
Speaker 6: on you. You might have a bit more wigoroom with
Speaker 6: your trades, but I reckon, I've got your covered now.
Speaker 1: Normally we have you on to talk about bubble boys
Speaker 1: and rookies, but we've finally done it.
Speaker 3: After twenty rounds. There's no bubble boys.
Speaker 1: Even normally every week you look at the most traded
Speaker 1: in players and people are finding cheapies room somewhere, but
Speaker 1: there's really none around it all this week. But one
Speaker 1: name that is on the trading list was a very
Speaker 1: popular rookie at the start of the season, and I
Speaker 1: know a fantom favorite, Maddi Roberts, South Australian product now
Speaker 1: bouncing back producing massive scores for the Sydney Swes. I'm
Speaker 1: sure when we get into some trade talk will bring
Speaker 1: his name up at three hundred and eighty K. But
Speaker 1: if you had a trade, you see someone you would
Speaker 1: consider this week.
Speaker 6: Lair Zone Maddie Roberts. So there was some doubters over
Speaker 6: there in Victoria, maybe one or two on this podcast
Speaker 6: and ex members of the podcast who doubted his stand
Speaker 6: for under eighty numbers. He played three games in his
Speaker 6: draft year. We banged home about one hundred and seventy five,
Speaker 6: one hundred and eighty eight and two hundred and forty
Speaker 6: yaries three totals as a June. He's always been a
Speaker 6: bull bang that he's shown that this year. Given the
Speaker 6: role across half back to start the year, he was
Speaker 6: a great early season cashcow and now he's really flourishing.
Speaker 6: I guess with more license to get the foot in
Speaker 6: three ninety k awkward price would be, you know, a
Speaker 6: weird trade. Really, if you look by we get to
Speaker 6: the end of the year, we look back and you've
Speaker 6: traded Matt Robertson ahead of round twenty one, would be
Speaker 6: a weird thing. But here's a proven score, a big,
Speaker 6: big pod. When I say proven, I mean we know
Speaker 6: he's a ball magnet. We know he's got a super
Speaker 6: coach friendly game. It's just about the opportunity at top level.
Speaker 6: And hopefully Horse does stick with him because he could
Speaker 6: bring him in. He's shown he's got the ceiling and
Speaker 6: these are the types of guys and trades you need
Speaker 6: to maybe win a league final.
Speaker 2: He was taking a lot of kickings on the weekend
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 5: I was watching that Woodog's game as I sprang at
Speaker 5: all around the swelling SCG. But the fact that he
Speaker 5: was taking them really consistently Jake Lloyd ESQ role. Perhaps,
Speaker 5: I mean.
Speaker 1: What was most impressive there was that the fandom just
Speaker 1: knew those samful under eight numbers straight up the top
Speaker 1: of he said, no preparation whatsoever there. But I mean
Speaker 1: the other name that we know, the Phantom and the
Speaker 1: Lea loves is Billy Dowling and surprised to see him
Speaker 1: pop up on the most traded out players this week
Speaker 1: second most traded out players, nearly two thousand people trading
Speaker 1: him out.
Speaker 3: What do you make of that.
Speaker 6: Interesting one? Well done to you out there. If you
Speaker 6: do have enough trays to maybe make an upgrade, and
Speaker 6: that's probably what you're doing there. You'd think six in
Speaker 6: the sixties for Billy Dowling. On the weekend, Hawthorne torched
Speaker 6: the Crows at Adelaide Oval. On Sunday, Billy did a
Speaker 6: few nice things again, working up and down the ground.
Speaker 6: No big forty point last quarter finish off unfortunately, But again,
Speaker 6: if you do have the trades, got some cash in
Speaker 6: the bank. Billy's made a lot of money now, so
Speaker 6: that's probably what you're doing. But otherwise, here's good cover.
Speaker 6: He's showing his good cover, reliable cover with the ability
Speaker 6: to throw in a ninety or one hundred. We saw
Speaker 6: him with the first super coach tun of his career
Speaker 6: a few weeks ago.
Speaker 4: So if you can get to.
Speaker 6: A premium, if you've got trades in cash, do it
Speaker 6: otherwise easy.
Speaker 1: Coverlet throw this question, how would you value cover for
Speaker 1: the last four rounds versus you know, just throwing it
Speaker 1: out there and trading in someone like a Billy Dowling
Speaker 1: if it can get you a hopefully at higher score
Speaker 1: on field.
Speaker 4: Well, if I'm trading Dowling, it's to get more cover.
Speaker 4: Last year, I sort of jumped up the ranks at
Speaker 4: the back end of the year because I had cover
Speaker 4: on each line. I think I'd George Hewart in the
Speaker 4: midfield and someone in the forward line. This year, I've
Speaker 4: got Charlie Kurno to cover forward line, and I'm looking
Speaker 4: at trading Dowling out this week to someone like an
Speaker 4: Ed Richards. Maybe two trades could get me basically anyone
Speaker 4: in the game. But looking at one trade Richards, and
Speaker 4: I think having that the person on the bench who
Speaker 4: can score is going to be more important than saving
Speaker 4: one trade for the last round or trying to bring
Speaker 4: in someone super cheap. So if you can't get from
Speaker 4: dowling up to a primo. I think you're whold Dowling,
Speaker 4: but if you can trade him, I agree with Fan,
Speaker 4: go for it.
Speaker 1: And yeah, DPP is just almost, isn't it for So
Speaker 1: you've got cover as crossed as many lines as possible.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think that's why a guy like Ed
Speaker 4: Richards appeals to me, because you can cover both lines.
Speaker 4: There's probably more forward mid zeros in your team, so
Speaker 4: dowling does give you added value there than there are
Speaker 4: defensive mid zeros. But you know you can make it work.
Speaker 4: But dowling is important if you have no casual traits.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is plenty of are in that situation.
Speaker 2: So did everyone turned to look at me?
Speaker 5: Love that big fan changing the topic very rapidly, Phantom,
Speaker 5: We're going to talk about leagues a fair bit because
Speaker 5: it's now all attention on league finals which kick off
Speaker 5: and for people that might not listen to the Phantom's
Speaker 5: Layer podcast. Might you be aware of You should, absolutely
Speaker 5: you should might be aware of how intense the Tizer
Speaker 5: office league can get. Do you want to give us
Speaker 5: a bit of a rundown of the high stakes over
Speaker 5: an Adelaide.
Speaker 6: Big business super coach over here in the Advertiser building.
Speaker 6: We used to have five tier competition. We're down to
Speaker 6: two tiers given numbers, but still very competitive promotion and relegation.
Speaker 6: If you do listen to the Lair Hipster Matt Turner's
Speaker 6: been down the bottom of the top tier in the
Speaker 6: Work League. Had to win on the weekend to survive relegation.
Speaker 6: Unfortunately he did win, so he won't be going down,
Speaker 6: He'll be staying up in the bottom tier two. We've
Speaker 6: got the new kids on the block in the Lair
Speaker 6: Phantom Junior as he likes to call himself. Another lowly
Speaker 6: week for him, which is great content for the Lair
Speaker 6: listen this week. We'll sure lead off and spend most
Speaker 6: of our time on Dossi's weekend. But he's in the
Speaker 6: finals up against Bear Bear Torius, other new member of
Speaker 6: the pod and two different strategies. Dos no trades left
Speaker 6: like me just hanging on till the end. Bears kept
Speaker 6: his trades. He's a league man. He's going to trade
Speaker 6: his way through the finals now. So if you've done that,
Speaker 6: well done, because it is important I know you get
Speaker 6: into these league finals. If you've got a couple of
Speaker 6: trades in the bank. You can use them on the weekend.
Speaker 6: You don't have to use them going into the round.
Speaker 6: See how your match up is going. If you start
Speaker 6: slow and need a big pod to finish off, or
Speaker 6: need someone different, or there's a laid out that your
Speaker 6: opponent can't cover, having one or two trades could be
Speaker 6: the difference between making it to the Grand Final or
Speaker 6: bowing out early. So there's a lot of different strategies
Speaker 6: around to do that. But well done if you've done that,
Speaker 6: and keep till it. You've got this far with trades
Speaker 6: in the bank. Don't burn them all now, of course
Speaker 6: if you want to get through to the next week,
Speaker 6: but they can be important.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, any questions for the fansom before we sign off, I'll.
Speaker 4: Just throw one random name at you that's in my head.
Speaker 4: And he hasn't done anything since returning, But is there
Speaker 4: a chance that Callum Mills returns to the form of
Speaker 4: old Well.
Speaker 6: We need to get Dan Batton back on the show
Speaker 6: because I think early on the year Dan might have
Speaker 6: started almost started with Calum here as we know he
Speaker 6: missed for weeks. I think Dan might have missed that,
Speaker 6: but low time on ground again for him on the weekend.
Speaker 6: We know he's arrested after one week nurse through again,
Speaker 6: you think that probably only increases to the finals. Now
Speaker 6: they can't get to the last week around twenty four
Speaker 6: and he's playing half a game. They needing to be
Speaker 6: playing a full game. So I don't mind it. These
Speaker 6: are the type of options like a Matt Roberts a
Speaker 6: little bit out there, a lot of risk involved, but
Speaker 6: again you have to take a risk some time to
Speaker 6: win it, So I don't mind it. I think you
Speaker 6: get this guy back on our historic podcast, Lick and
Speaker 6: Patch back together. It's going to be some.
Speaker 1: Show, absolutely, thank you Fantom, and will pencil Kellum Mills down.
Speaker 1: I know Patch's working on an article which people can
Speaker 1: keep an eye for coming up soon on Code Sports
Speaker 1: and all the platforms about players. We're just watching with
Speaker 1: one eye to twenty twenty five, and I reckon Callum
Speaker 1: Mills might be on that list.
Speaker 2: He will absolutely be under consideration.
Speaker 3: Very good news, Thank you Fansom. We'll talk next week.
Speaker 4: Enjoy guys.
Speaker 3: Thank you Phantom.
Speaker 1: Always great to hear where he is ranked, obviously, and
Speaker 1: some news out of South Australia on the hot topics
Speaker 1: this week. I'm going to start with leagues, which we
Speaker 1: touched on there with Fantom, because four weeks to go
Speaker 1: in the home and away season means it's finals time
Speaker 1: for most super coach head to head leagues.
Speaker 3: So do we switch.
Speaker 1: I'm certainly someone who's been paying most attention to rankings
Speaker 1: overall up until this point of the season, But do
Speaker 1: we need to change things around now and start looking
Speaker 1: at leagues who we're playing?
Speaker 3: Are we knock out finals?
Speaker 1: You know, how does this influence how we approach going
Speaker 1: into this weekend the next four weeks patch?
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I mean very much. Now if you are
Speaker 5: switching into that mode, if you've you know, sliding down
Speaker 5: the ranks, you know I repentive hypothetically where you beyond
Speaker 5: saving from a rankings perspective, Yeah, like I will certainly
Speaker 5: be switching to the leagues, and you look at those matchups,
Speaker 5: figure out if you can v se someone that they
Speaker 5: don't have gives you that real edge. Whereas you know,
Speaker 5: if you both VC Bond and Peali and you know,
Speaker 5: both take the score, doesn't really give you any leeway.
Speaker 5: So if you can v see someone they don't have
Speaker 5: any final, that's good. You start prioritizing your leagues, picking
Speaker 5: like this is my cash league that I could win
Speaker 5: something from. I'll focus on this one and focus on
Speaker 5: the matchups there, and then you know there's other ones
Speaker 5: are may be less important, or you know I can
Speaker 5: win those, or I can't win that matchup, so I'm
Speaker 5: going to forget about it this week, and you just
Speaker 5: kind of, you know, case by case play it pretty
Speaker 5: strategically for those leagues, I think.
Speaker 1: Because you're sort of in a stronger position going into
Speaker 1: League four and as was that by design or it's
Speaker 1: just worked out that way.
Speaker 4: Well, I did say this year I was going to
Speaker 4: focus on leagues instead of overall, and I am on
Speaker 4: track to have my best overall finished since twenty fourteen,
Speaker 4: So I don't know if that teaches anything, but having
Speaker 4: trades heading in. If you do have trades, it's for
Speaker 4: particularly for must win matchups. It's you can either trade
Speaker 4: to mitigate okay, bring in a player that they do
Speaker 4: have so you don't have to worry about their POD,
Speaker 4: or you can do the opposite, which is what I
Speaker 4: always do, and just go for the biggest swing hopefully
Speaker 4: it returns something. This guy's only in two percent of
Speaker 4: teams and he scored one hundred and twenty last week.
Speaker 4: I'm bringing him in, but you can. It does help.
Speaker 4: If you have trades, you can be a bit more
Speaker 4: flexible and you don't have to cop the Zeros that
Speaker 4: might lose you that game, or.
Speaker 2: Worse, the mason Woods that might lose you that game.
Speaker 4: I'm tell it, he'll come good. You'll have three turns
Speaker 4: out of him before the year's over.
Speaker 2: I will hold you to that at gunpoint.
Speaker 1: And as Phantom said, you can play it, you know,
Speaker 1: really watching the scores over the weekend, tracking your matchups,
Speaker 1: and like you say, with captains or even you know,
Speaker 1: holding back those trades. You know, if Sunday comes around
Speaker 1: and you're two hundred point ahead, maybe you just stick
Speaker 1: the trade in the back pocket or you pick a
Speaker 1: safe captain, whereas if you're behind, you can roll the
Speaker 1: dice and do take a few more risks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I always, even though at the moment, I do
Speaker 4: my trades on Thursday and don't think about it again,
Speaker 4: or Friday whenever the locker just before final lockout. But
Speaker 4: with if you're playing to win a league, having that
Speaker 4: trade in the bank, even if it's one trade, if
Speaker 4: there's a laid out of a I don't know, Zach
Speaker 4: Butters is a laid out and you're able to pivot
Speaker 4: from him to Adam Trelaw. It could be the difference
Speaker 4: for your season. So I like to hold on now
Speaker 4: for the last four weeks as long as possible to
Speaker 4: pull the trigger on those trades.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Just scanning my leagues, I did finish on top of
Speaker 1: the ladder in one league in the office. When playing
Speaker 1: Glenn McFarlane in a qualifying final this weekend and looking
Speaker 1: at his team, he's got a few handy pods that
Speaker 1: I don't have. So he's got just Jackson Clearish not
Speaker 1: just saying Claire, one of the great names from the past,
Speaker 1: but he's got Tim English in the RK, Delan Moore
Speaker 1: and Jeremy Cameron up Ford a bit of a pod
Speaker 1: who could go be or not depending on the given
Speaker 1: matchup on the weekend. But in the other main work league,
Speaker 1: I finished outside the top four and I'm in an
Speaker 1: elimination final playing the AFEL editor who's got a very
Speaker 1: strong team. He's got Whitfield, Hayden, Young, Dunkley Caldwell and
Speaker 1: he's also got Dilan Moore.
Speaker 3: So a few names it will keep me nervous this weekend.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I guess it's like you say, you've got
Speaker 1: to try and prioritize which one you're worrying about the most.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And if we are able to make trades like
Speaker 1: and you're in this fortuitous position, so maybe we just
Speaker 1: throw to you on this one.
Speaker 2: How many trades do you have leg for those playing
Speaker 2: along at home?
Speaker 4: I have four, and in the last three weeks, I've
Speaker 4: traded in two zeros intentionally, so I had eight as
Speaker 4: of you two weeks ago, old man.
Speaker 3: And I've got one.
Speaker 1: So I think we're in slightly different positions because really
Speaker 1: I don't want to use that trade, even looking at leagues,
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe if I was going to get
Speaker 1: knocked out in the first week, I might get desperate
Speaker 1: on Sunday. But I'm really holding that back into I
Speaker 1: did consider using it last week, and you know, Jack
Speaker 1: Sinkley was someone I really would have loved to get in,
Speaker 1: but I just would have left me potentially exposed with
Speaker 1: no cover on the bench, and I had enough bench
Speaker 1: players to at least not get a zero this week,
Speaker 1: So I thought I'll just ride it for another week.
Speaker 1: Maybe if it gets down to two or even three
Speaker 1: weeks left, the calculation changes slowly, but when you have
Speaker 1: four you definitely can afford to be doing some things.
Speaker 1: So who would you potentially be looking at this weekend?
Speaker 1: I mean we mentioned with the Phantom Matt Roberts is
Speaker 1: one of the form players of the Company's only three
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty K, and there's some some cheaper guys
Speaker 1: out there, but money's probably not so much an issue
Speaker 1: in your position.
Speaker 3: Would two hundred game to be?
Speaker 4: Yes? If I make two trades, I can buy anyone
Speaker 4: in the game. If I make one trade, I think
Speaker 4: Ed Richards, as I mentioned to Phantom is probably my target.
Speaker 4: But Caleb's wrong as someone I haven't had this year.
Speaker 4: I know he's a popular selection, but I've just he's
Speaker 4: never I've never had him. I know some people jumped
Speaker 4: off when he had a bit of a down patch,
Speaker 4: but came back another one to eleven on the week.
Speaker 4: I think he won the medal as well. He's five
Speaker 4: point fifty K, which.
Speaker 3: Is third medal.
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, well, yeah, that's a third medal in
Speaker 4: that matchup, right, So seventy K cheaper than he was
Speaker 4: at the start of the year. Freemantle or on fire,
Speaker 4: and I think they're relatively good in terms of when
Speaker 4: their games land.
Speaker 2: So hats on the weekend as well.
Speaker 4: Oh is that the matchup this week?
Speaker 2: Matchup?
Speaker 4: I highly recommend anyone from Freemantle this.
Speaker 2: Week and Chamswrakowski get on.
Speaker 1: You mentioned the Dogs, I mean Richards and Trelaw of
Speaker 1: two names that have been touched on. They have potentially
Speaker 1: the best run home for midfielders. When we saw they
Speaker 1: just blew Sydney away, but then they've got Melbourne midfield,
Speaker 1: you be decimated at the moment. Adelaide doesn't have the
Speaker 1: strongest midfield and North GW we also to be tougher in.
Speaker 3: The final round.
Speaker 1: But given that and you've got plenty in the bank,
Speaker 1: I mean, would you just go straight for Tillay?
Speaker 3: You look at you like a pot.
Speaker 1: I think he's only in about five percent of team
Speaker 1: still despite averaging near one hundred and twenty.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no season. I do like him. He's a delicious selection.
Speaker 4: My issue with him is that everyone in my midfield
Speaker 4: and mid only, so I'm really looking for either a
Speaker 4: mid ford but probably a mid defender so that I
Speaker 4: can sort of cover decos and maybe probably turn Max
Speaker 4: Holmes into my bench player rather than have him on field.
Speaker 4: So because he's a little bit down on form at
Speaker 4: the moment, Trellaw is a great selection. He's just limited
Speaker 4: in that in a super coach sense and that he
Speaker 4: can only play midfield, and I think that means I'm
Speaker 4: playing Walsh or Tom Green on the bench every week,
Speaker 4: and I feel like there's more value in finding a
Speaker 4: DPP for me personally. Highly recommend for a Law as
Speaker 4: a selection if you can, if you can get to.
Speaker 1: Him, Yeah, absolutely, any other names that you like this week,
Speaker 1: it's just in the hypothetical.
Speaker 5: World that you get in a wonderful world where I
Speaker 5: had trades, I haven't. I would a shocking learn. I
Speaker 5: haven't really thought about it all that much this week.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean, if you need someone really cheap, like you
Speaker 5: mentioned before, James Petling, that big James Petling fan, he
Speaker 5: got a right up in the tackle. Robo pointed him
Speaker 5: out as playing his best game. Surely the Giants now
Speaker 5: after that, don't pull him back in. He's in that
Speaker 5: rounded k price bracket. If you've got a bit a
Speaker 5: spare cash laying around and you've got someone like Nathan
Speaker 5: Krueger on your bench, I would be heavily considering like
Speaker 5: a James Peteling.
Speaker 1: Or basically when he plays, he scores, and that's whether
Speaker 1: it's in the VFL or Yeah, AFL is just staying
Speaker 1: in the team and not being the sub with you only, I.
Speaker 4: Do have a sneaking suspicion he's out of contract, and
Speaker 4: there's obviously talk about Harry Perriman leaving, and since he's
Speaker 4: come back, he's basically been in the midfield in the guts,
Speaker 4: so I feel like they might be like going, no, please,
Speaker 4: don't leave. I think they might be kind of convincing
Speaker 4: him to stay at the moment, so that encourages me
Speaker 4: for him as a selection.
Speaker 1: And the other name you mentioned earlier too in your
Speaker 1: team already is Andrew Brashaw really coming good when and
Speaker 1: Freo have a nice matchup this week.
Speaker 3: As you mentioned some of the Freer players.
Speaker 1: The wrong picking up a little bit lately, but obviously
Speaker 1: Luke Ryan, you know know, any of the scores he
Speaker 1: was earlier in the year.
Speaker 3: But yeah, brace was really really coming good at the
Speaker 3: right time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So when I picked my starting team, because Brashaw
Speaker 4: was in it at the start, I try to pick
Speaker 4: guys who. I think at the end of the year
Speaker 4: they are total points, they'll be in the top twenty ish.
Speaker 4: Right now, he's twenty fourth for total points across all positions.
Speaker 4: He's had one hundred and thirty seven the last two
Speaker 4: weeks I believe, or two of the last three weeks
Speaker 4: three round average of one hundred and twenty five basically, so
Speaker 4: he's certainly coming good at the right time. If you
Speaker 4: can afford him, grab him.
Speaker 5: I do actually have a pod only there was one
Speaker 5: sliding around in the back of my head. If you're
Speaker 5: looking for a midfield up. Mid only is a bit annoying,
Speaker 5: as you've just mentioned. But Tim Kelly is coming off
Speaker 5: one O six ninety seven one thirty nine against Frio
Speaker 5: in the Derby, has Gold Coast, North Melbourne, Carlton and
Speaker 5: Geelong on the run home three of those sides. I
Speaker 5: would back him in to score a bunch of points in.
Speaker 3: The midfield that expensive.
Speaker 5: I don't think he is five hundred and seven thousand
Speaker 5: dollars four hundred so I think that's very good value
Speaker 5: for someone in the midfield who has the capability to
Speaker 5: do you know, an average of one fifteen of those
Speaker 5: last couple of games and is in no side whatsoever
Speaker 5: he is in.
Speaker 4: He hasn't even picked himself.
Speaker 2: He maybe not.
Speaker 5: Let me find how many teams he is in. He's
Speaker 5: in one thousand, one hundred and eleven teams, so maybe
Speaker 5: you could be oney one hundred and twelve.
Speaker 1: We're speaking of low ownership and another night I'll just
Speaker 1: throw out there. You know, you'd have to be pretty
Speaker 1: brave to pick him in the four line. Sharman looked
Speaker 1: up in the top sorry to elect special, in the
Speaker 1: top ten percent. He's owned by one player.
Speaker 4: And that's not just sure, it's not you.
Speaker 5: No, it's not in credits for the backstory lect Dog
Speaker 5: and I own a keeper league where you do need
Speaker 5: to play keep position players. And we'll probably touch on
Speaker 5: this a bit more on a second, but you own
Speaker 5: every single sin killed to forward. That's not Max Kins,
Speaker 5: not Max King. Yeah, so you own all the bad ones.
Speaker 4: Well, not Cooperman the greatest player of all.
Speaker 5: Cooper Coleman Sharman, that's what they'll call him. Atter he
Speaker 5: wins five in a row.
Speaker 1: He's actually i mean one nine on the weekend, but
Speaker 1: he did score eighty two and eighty eight before that,
Speaker 1: so it wasn't No, he's totally out of knowing.
Speaker 4: It's been reasonable three.
Speaker 3: Forty two K. But that is a brilliant segue.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Patch, because any want to talk a little
Speaker 1: bit of Super Coach Draft with Like we mentioned earlier,
Speaker 1: has been writing some articles, great articles for Code Sports
Speaker 1: during the season, pointing out some of the best waiver
Speaker 1: wire targets for your Super Coach Draft league. So we
Speaker 1: don't talk about draft really enough on this show, but
Speaker 1: obviously that's something that you guys love and know a
Speaker 1: lot about it, probably.
Speaker 3: More than me, to be honest, because I really focus
Speaker 3: on the classic game.
Speaker 1: So can you give us the two minute to sell
Speaker 1: on what's so great about Super Coach Draft and what's
Speaker 1: happening in those leagues at this time of year?
Speaker 4: Yes? So well, at the moment, it's in finals for
Speaker 4: Super Coach Draft for all formats, basically Supercoach Draft. It's
Speaker 4: different to Super Coach Classic. There's no salary cap. It's
Speaker 4: just pick your players in a draft format, believe it
Speaker 4: or not, and that's the team you get. And you
Speaker 4: can drop players at the wave of wire, pick them
Speaker 4: up through the year, trade team to team. But the
Speaker 4: beauty of it is that everyone's team is different because
Speaker 4: a player can only be selected once, so you can't
Speaker 4: you don't end up with everyone having I don't know,
Speaker 4: Sam Flanders, Yeah, Sam Planners or micros sponsoraneity because he
Speaker 4: can only be selected once. And it does let you
Speaker 4: find guys like James Petling or Cooper Shaman or guys
Speaker 4: like that off the wave of wire because you're looking
Speaker 4: because all of the good players in quotation have been
Speaker 4: selected in the draft. So you've got to really watch form,
Speaker 4: look at upcoming oppositions, look at historical averages. You know
Speaker 4: who averages well against the upcoming opponents. You kind of
Speaker 4: got to make decisions based on limited information, and you
Speaker 4: tend to find gems every now and then. And I've
Speaker 4: been putting together a few articles for Code Sports. One
Speaker 4: that just came out last week was sort of guys
Speaker 4: that you should target towards the end of the year,
Speaker 4: and we can go through a couple of those names
Speaker 4: because a few of them fired on the weekend. But
Speaker 4: right now, in draft world, if you're in a redraft league,
Speaker 4: which is just your draft for this season this season
Speaker 4: only you're in finals or you've been kicked out of finals,
Speaker 4: and you can start worrying about who you're targeting next year,
Speaker 4: and if you're in a keeper league or a dynasty league,
Speaker 4: this is the part of the year where you're sort
Speaker 4: of assessing who you might want to keep moving into
Speaker 4: next season, or who you might want to put up
Speaker 4: for sale or trade to other players and for draft
Speaker 4: picks and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 3: Would you want to just pick out a couple of
Speaker 3: those names.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So there was a few that sort of stood
Speaker 4: up on the w week and that I liked. Jaden
Speaker 4: Hunt was one that wasn't massively owned. I think he
Speaker 4: scored about ninety six. From Stephen May and jud mcavay
Speaker 4: both scored reasonably well as well. For Stephen may's a
Speaker 4: lot more highly owned than McVeigh, but you kind of
Speaker 4: got to find the guys who are owned. I think
Speaker 4: McVay scored eighty. And then the one that I really
Speaker 4: liked and was really hot on was Connor McDonald from Hawthorne,
Speaker 4: who I believe he got well over the ton on
Speaker 4: the weekend and he's someone that I would be targeting
Speaker 4: for his run home because their opposition tend to give
Speaker 4: up points to sort of those forward midfield he kind
Speaker 4: of players, but also for if you're in a keeper
Speaker 4: league or a dynasty league, he's someone you should be
Speaker 4: trying to get your hands on because I think he's
Speaker 4: pretty close to exploding next year.
Speaker 5: So a keeper league and dynasty leagues for those that
Speaker 5: haven't heard of those, like we're on obviously a couple together.
Speaker 5: I'm a huge fan of them. Do you want to
Speaker 5: give the spiel on what those leagues are and wanting
Speaker 5: towers in terms of you know, keeping players year to year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sure. So a keeper league generally you'll keep or
Speaker 4: it depends you can set it up, but at the
Speaker 4: end of the season, a lot of keeper leagues, you
Speaker 4: keep half of your team and then you redraft the
Speaker 4: other half next next year. So you'll keep your best
Speaker 4: fifteen or your best ten players, and then you'll draft
Speaker 4: ten more next year. A dynasty generally is it requires
Speaker 4: a lot of Excel spreadsheets, but keeping an entire list
Speaker 4: of AFL players. So we are in one with like
Speaker 4: forty six players on each list. So you have players
Speaker 4: who are rookie list category B players who you're hoping
Speaker 4: just get that contract extension, and then you have guys
Speaker 4: as good as much as bonspelling your team. Generally dynasty,
Speaker 4: you keep everyone and you have draft picks, and generally keepers,
Speaker 4: you don't keep your entire team, but you keep a
Speaker 4: portion of it for the next year then draft again.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming those You know, if you're in a keeper league,
Speaker 1: that obviously changes the values of players, and you know,
Speaker 1: how do you trying to weigh that up whether you
Speaker 1: obviously you know something like a Harry Sheesel, you know,
Speaker 1: you right at the top of the list because it
Speaker 1: be so good for so long. But then yeah, when
Speaker 1: you're looking at new guys coming in, how are you
Speaker 1: weighing up you know some first year players like I
Speaker 1: don't know McCall of a Richmond versus you know, some
Speaker 1: of these other mid tier type of guys that you're
Speaker 1: talking about it with scoring points now.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, and now this is the time of the
Speaker 5: year where a lot of people will make the plays
Speaker 5: for you know, if you've if you're a finalist and
Speaker 5: you've got a Cane Mccaaloff on your lift list and
Speaker 5: someone comes calling and says, hey, I've got this Travis
Speaker 5: Boke who will be good for maybe four more games,
Speaker 5: maybe he goes around again next year, but he's largely
Speaker 5: the sub you know, as from a long term super
Speaker 5: coach value proposition worth not a lot aside from the
Speaker 5: next four weeks, or someone like a Mark Pittnette who
Speaker 5: you've spoken up a lot. You can then you know,
Speaker 5: go go to market and try and drag out some
Speaker 5: of these younger guys who you know, maybe they've got
Speaker 5: a lot of potential, they haven't shown it. You get
Speaker 5: to do some really fun horse trading and then you know,
Speaker 5: throwing in draft picks as well, where you know, you
Speaker 5: give me a third round pick as well. It really
Speaker 5: does kind of simulate trade week, but you just kind
Speaker 5: of get to do it with you know, imaginary versions
Speaker 5: of footballers, which can be a lot of fun.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a lot of fun that deciding am I
Speaker 4: going to go for the flag this year? But it's
Speaker 4: going to cost me my first Like whoever I drafted
Speaker 4: in the first round last year? Can I stomach that?
Speaker 4: And historically I say yes, I can stomach that. However,
Speaker 4: it's only worked once. But that's that's the fun of it.
Speaker 1: And it's really that real list management isn't by the
Speaker 1: sound of it, that you're trying to You need to
Speaker 1: know where your list is at, Like, you know, are
Speaker 1: you aiming for a flag now or maybe in three years, and.
Speaker 3: That would dictate your strategy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, Like I went through the big Rebeld where I
Speaker 5: sold off, I took over the team, sold off everyone
Speaker 5: had five top ten draft picks, and drafted row Sarong,
Speaker 5: Jackson Green, and then sold off one of the other
Speaker 5: picks for later picks. And yeah, you can like go
Speaker 5: hard at the rebuild and bottom out and crash, or
Speaker 5: you can kind of try and do what let does
Speaker 5: and kind of stagger it and make sure you're fielding
Speaker 5: aside the whole way through. And yeah, I know it's
Speaker 5: kind of very interesting and very fun and we'll dynamic
Speaker 5: mech As opposed to everyone having the same.
Speaker 4: Players, well, I mean it's ended up with guys like
Speaker 4: in my personal team, James Petling, Cooper Sharm and Matt Welfie.
Speaker 4: There are like some of my better players because just
Speaker 4: because they play games. And as a result, every year
Speaker 4: I finish about eighth, So I'm a really middling team.
Speaker 4: But I'm okay with it because it's fun and I
Speaker 4: get to watch Matt gwelf you play.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you get late in depth discussions about how much
Speaker 5: Matt Kennedy is worth at the trade table exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean yeah, I mean one of the
Speaker 1: things I love about too, because it's just, you know,
Speaker 1: it gives you a lot more reason to watch games
Speaker 1: over the weekend, a lot more investment in you know,
Speaker 1: you're watching Frero a g WUS play, but yeah, this
Speaker 1: time a lot of you know, looking at those pods
Speaker 1: in some of those finals matchups. You know, watching Freo,
Speaker 1: everyone's you know that I'm Playing's got Ryan and then well, what's.
Speaker 5: The wrong You might have five players that are different, Yeah,
Speaker 5: in in a final this weekend.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's we got draft it's and yeah, the
Speaker 1: value of an eighty point performance suddenly is worth a
Speaker 1: hell of a lot more.
Speaker 5: And that The one thing we haven't mentioned that's one
Speaker 5: of the big draw cards for draft is draft day itself.
Speaker 5: You talk about draft day if you're doing just a redrafts,
Speaker 5: you're doing your pick your team, that's your team for
Speaker 5: the year.
Speaker 2: End of the year.
Speaker 5: You know, next season you're picking an entirely different team.
Speaker 5: Draft Day is the day of the year. It's Christmas.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is. It's exactly that. It's Christmas. So we
Speaker 4: have a draft, we get together, we supply barbecued foods,
Speaker 4: American barbecued foods and beers and soft drinks, and.
Speaker 5: We put Draft Day or Moneyball on in the background.
Speaker 4: Yes, or most of the time both both. We've got
Speaker 4: a big on the sheet on the wall where we
Speaker 4: have everyone's name their draft picks, and then they have
Speaker 4: to as they're selecting, they have to go up write
Speaker 4: the name on the board and while everyone's watching and
Speaker 4: so like, it's very dramatic when you reveal who the
Speaker 4: first selection of the draft is going to be. And
Speaker 4: it's just a lot of fun and it's a great
Speaker 4: way to get together and it kind of obviously you've
Speaker 4: done a bit of research leading up to that, but
Speaker 4: for us it kind of kicks off the super coach season.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, you know you play around hypothetically with Classic whenever
Speaker 5: Team Picker opens it. Yeah, once you start doing your
Speaker 5: first draft, that's that's when it's footy season.
Speaker 4: I'll say this, I think if you're if you're a
Speaker 4: draft enthusiast, and particularly in deep league drafts where you've
Speaker 4: got a lot of players on your list, I tend
Speaker 4: to reckon you find you do better in terms of
Speaker 4: finding rookies or cash cows in Classic because you kind
Speaker 4: of done the research, like the way Phantom knows Maddie
Speaker 4: Roberts stats from juniors. You kind of have to know
Speaker 4: that if you're drafting, particularly in a keeper league or
Speaker 4: a dynasty league, you have to know what the young
Speaker 4: players do and where they might fit into their teams.
Speaker 4: So it does give you a little bit of a
Speaker 4: leg up in that in that sense, I find.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this week I'm looking at you know, someone like
Speaker 1: a Peeling or Keeper Sharman have just suddenly popped up
Speaker 1: on the radar for Classic, but you're all over them
Speaker 1: because you've been watching them closely for draft this whole time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they've featured in a few Code Sport articles over
Speaker 4: the journey.
Speaker 5: Subscribe if somebody wants to get into Supercoach Draft. Obviously
Speaker 5: the Supercoach platform doesn't really have the capacity to do
Speaker 5: the dynasty leagues, but obviously reading some of your stuff
Speaker 5: at the start of the year and you'll do stuff
Speaker 5: over summer, hopefully talking about where to get started. But
Speaker 5: for somebody that's interested and wants to know more, like
Speaker 5: what's the how would you go about starting a new
Speaker 5: draft from scratch?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, the first thing I'd do is just find
Speaker 4: a few friends who are interested. Keep it simple for
Speaker 4: the first first year, get ten people together, let's call
Speaker 4: it ten people, and just have a basic we're you
Speaker 4: going to do a draft just for this year. Whatever
Speaker 4: it is five defenders, five mids, five forwards and a
Speaker 4: ruck or whatever the numbers and end up being, and
Speaker 4: just have a crack. Then you can practice on the
Speaker 4: super coach platform there is in the preseason. There's like
Speaker 4: practice drafts, mock drafts you can join. There's also open
Speaker 4: leagues you can just join if you want to. There's
Speaker 4: always message boards and stuff and social media as well.
Speaker 4: There's always people looking for draft leaks. But just have
Speaker 4: a crack. Basically, it's a lot of fun and I
Speaker 4: get way more out of enjoyment out of it or
Speaker 4: for filment out of it than classic classics fun and
Speaker 4: it's always been there, but it probably doesn't require the
Speaker 4: depth frustrating research this draft.
Speaker 5: You don't need to know you know, six hundred of
Speaker 5: the eight hundred players on AFL list. You just need
Speaker 5: to know maybe you know in one hundred of them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't need to know. Isaac Keel is kicking
Speaker 4: two goals a week for Saint Kilda's VFL. You do
Speaker 4: not know for Supercoach Classic.
Speaker 5: I don't need to be tracking Cane Baldwin's injury each
Speaker 5: and every week on the Esendon injury list.
Speaker 4: Ryan Gardner doesn't feature much prominence in Coach Classic. But yeah,
Speaker 4: so it's just a lot of fun. So if you're
Speaker 4: out there play Supercoach Draft, there's going to be plenty
Speaker 4: of resources next year, I hope. So there will be
Speaker 4: plenty of resources next year to teach you how to play.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's a mission for me for next year is
Speaker 1: definitely to get more into it, even for no other
Speaker 1: reason that I can understand what's going on when someone
Speaker 1: wanders around to Patch in the office and says, come on,
Speaker 1: you've got to give me two future picks for Tom McDonald.
Speaker 3: And I'm not sure what that was going on.
Speaker 2: No, neither do I.
Speaker 5: Tom McDonald's not worth much so anyway, Yeah, no, it
Speaker 5: is great fun, big fan, and I'm hoping that we'll
Speaker 5: be able to do some more content around it next
Speaker 5: year as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah hopefully.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is the plan. So there's a wrap quick
Speaker 1: prime BEFO. We're on Super Coach Strift. We better get
Speaker 1: into the last few segments for the show, starting with
Speaker 1: Stats with Our, which is normally where James throws to
Speaker 1: l who is me?
Speaker 3: So, oh yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: Time for stats with Al with al Al, do you
Speaker 2: have any stats for us?
Speaker 3: I do have some, says thank you, Patch. I touched
Speaker 3: on it earlier.
Speaker 1: Alex Sexton kicked five goals in the VFL scored one
Speaker 1: hundred and forty two super Coach points. So if you've
Speaker 1: got him on the bench as a but he a
Speaker 1: chance he could come back in what position?
Speaker 2: Was he playing?
Speaker 3: Well, he kicked five goals, so he probably fought.
Speaker 2: But he then comes in as a defender, you reckon?
Speaker 2: Or does he Well?
Speaker 1: I think he played forward and a bit of wing
Speaker 1: last time he was in it, So I mean it's
Speaker 1: kind of a positive that he can play anywhere, but
Speaker 1: I guess you'd rather be playing defense if he's in your.
Speaker 2: Super Coach team. Does he does his flexibility mean he
Speaker 2: might come back the sub.
Speaker 1: Yes, possibly, But I mean if he comes back and
Speaker 1: Fisher comes back, all of a sudden, you've got this
Speaker 1: forward defense swing back again.
Speaker 3: Which is that looks great for me?
Speaker 1: About three or four weeks ago and then it all
Speaker 1: sort of went out the window, but just quickly scanning
Speaker 1: some of the supercoach numbers from the VFL and the
Speaker 1: second tier leagues. You can see all of these on
Speaker 1: a Code Sports as of I think tomorrow morning. But
Speaker 1: a few other bench players who did pretty well Joe Clark,
Speaker 1: Bruce Revel, Hugo Ghusslie all scored over one hundred, so
Speaker 1: as a chance we might see a few of them
Speaker 1: back in the selection mix, which could be handy if
Speaker 1: you're just looking for some more warm bodies going into
Speaker 1: the finals. And another name that bobbed up scoring a
Speaker 1: season high ninety three super coach points in the waffle
Speaker 1: Cohen Livingston, which throw the cat amongst the pigeons.
Speaker 3: If he came in for a debut.
Speaker 2: That would be a wild term events, so.
Speaker 3: Just would't to keep it on. I think Matt Flyinn
Speaker 3: scored abou one hundred and fifty, so you'd think.
Speaker 2: He might be in first.
Speaker 1: Yes, maybe it's three goals for Cohen, so just keep
Speaker 1: an eye out for that one. So onto quick fire
Speaker 1: around we'll try and actually keep this quick. We haven't
Speaker 1: done very good job of this all year of actually
Speaker 1: making this quick fire. But ask both of you, gentlemen,
Speaker 1: yes or no, could you if you had trades like
Speaker 1: the great leg although you've got some money in the
Speaker 1: bank so you probably don't need to be Could you
Speaker 1: potentially consider trading Luke Ryan in the form and roll
Speaker 1: that he's in at the moment legally?
Speaker 5: Yes, I mean yeah, he's in a bad role. He's
Speaker 5: in everyone's team. Would be a great non pod for
Speaker 5: as long as Alex Pears is out. Yes, I don'
Speaker 5: get ever while boy, yeah, well his armies in a
Speaker 5: big cast, so that's probably a decent indication to be
Speaker 5: out for a while.
Speaker 4: Yep, yes, you can trade him, but if you don't
Speaker 4: have cash, the options, I would say, are relatively limited,
Speaker 4: so it's you basically got to go up from him
Speaker 4: for it to be a value prospect.
Speaker 3: In my eyes, how much money is he lost?
Speaker 4: What he's about? What is he five twenty four? Kow?
Speaker 3: It was like seven hundred grand?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, yes he was when I got him, and
Speaker 4: over the last five rounds he's averaging what ninety seven
Speaker 4: which isn't a lot for a defender, but.
Speaker 2: Is Lucky Whitfield worthy.
Speaker 4: Whitfield is five hundred and ninety seven thousand. Good Lord
Speaker 4: got him at sub five hundred I believe.
Speaker 2: I was very tempted, but Tim talked me out of it.
Speaker 2: Thanks Tim.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 5: When Tim traded him out of him, it was Yeah,
Speaker 5: that was part of the reason why I was considering trading.
Speaker 2: Anyway.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the issue with him is that everyone who's informed
Speaker 4: basically costs more money.
Speaker 6: Then.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you need some cash in the bank. Maybe
Speaker 1: you could trade out a billy dealing to free up
Speaker 1: some money next year. We'll go through a lot more
Speaker 1: of these, maybe over the next few weeks. But just
Speaker 1: one name off the top of my head, Tom Green,
Speaker 1: would you be starting him next year based on.
Speaker 2: Now, I'll consider it. Yep.
Speaker 5: We're saying that he can be a fantasy black, a
Speaker 5: super coach beast when he gets going. If he looks
Speaker 5: like he might get going, then I will probably start him.
Speaker 4: No, I'm not starting him. He he scored five of
Speaker 4: the week I traded him in and since, and he's
Speaker 4: averaged about one hundred, So I'm not interested. It's all right,
Speaker 4: My gut was right.
Speaker 5: But if you ignore all of his bad scores, he
Speaker 5: averages one hundred and fifty.
Speaker 4: That's true. That is true, that's maths.
Speaker 5: I believe that is mass Thus talking like a draft
Speaker 5: like used castles. When to sell someone in a draft
Speaker 5: league to someone who know all these bad scores.
Speaker 2: He's really good.
Speaker 4: No, I think I think we're going to have plenty
Speaker 4: of value next year, and I don't think he's going
Speaker 4: to be providing it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, mid only does hurt. Yeah, anyway, Yes.
Speaker 1: Talking about keeper leagues and draft leagues, if you had
Speaker 1: to pick one of Nick Dacos or Harry Shecheezel, Oh,
Speaker 1: could you choose between them?
Speaker 4: It's win win to be honest, is Nick Dakos going
Speaker 4: to retain deep?
Speaker 1: Well, that's kind of the next part of the question. Yeah,
Speaker 1: would you pick Daikos if he's a mid only? Would
Speaker 1: you pick Cheesel if he's a mid only? In Classic?
Speaker 5: Based on Yeah, I think I would for on both counts.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 5: Maybe just go with Dekos just ahead. But gee whiz,
Speaker 5: I'd be very happy with either of them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a lot of moving parts in the north Side,
Speaker 4: so I need to know Shecheezel's role. I think Dakos
Speaker 4: is a safer bed. We saw on the weekend what
Speaker 4: he can do in both contested and uncontested. But I
Speaker 4: love it when a DPP or a player changes into
Speaker 4: mid only because they become an instant pod, so she
Speaker 4: has a defense. Everyone would pick him. Comes amid, everyone
Speaker 4: goes ah. I don't really know about his role, but
Speaker 4: he'll be in a lot less teams and he'll be very,
Speaker 4: very interesting.
Speaker 5: From a long term keeper perspective. The slight worry is
Speaker 5: because she's had such a highly tattered junior prospect as
Speaker 5: a forward and if they know these mids do develop
Speaker 5: for North Melbourne, maybe he becomes like the reverse Iszacini
Speaker 5: and becomes more of a forward and where he could
Speaker 5: be a fantastic player but not as supercut relevant. So
Speaker 5: I think that's the only thing that could tilt it.
Speaker 5: Also probably not going to happen. It was incredible and I.
Speaker 4: Think three goals against the Blues and looked pretty good.
Speaker 5: But yes, yeah, I think he's I think he's.
Speaker 1: Thinking differently when you're talking about the long term keeper leagues.
Speaker 1: What's he going to be doing in five years if
Speaker 1: obviously you're playing a fee bit for him now. And
Speaker 1: random question, just to finish off enjoying the Olympics, what
Speaker 1: have you got a favorite sport?
Speaker 3: Maybe one of the more off Broadway.
Speaker 2: I'll give me competitions, give me some European handball.
Speaker 3: That's what I had down. I love the European it.
Speaker 2: Was so good.
Speaker 5: I think we were talking about this in the office
Speaker 5: in the day. It's just I love it. It's fantastic,
Speaker 5: bizarre sport. I adore it.
Speaker 4: A breakdancing obviously at the top of my list.
Speaker 2: I mean you are obviously an amateur breakdancer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you do enough Google searching, you'll find
Speaker 4: me doing some breakdancing on the internet for sure.
Speaker 5: You just got to sort through all the breakdown videos
Speaker 5: from the breakdancing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that was intentional, all right, that wasn't it.
Speaker 1: It was expecting back to super coach. Can we pick
Speaker 1: a captain this weekend? Obviously it was massive last weekend
Speaker 1: if you got a cheesel or if you've got a
Speaker 1: cherry versus people. We were relying on a bond and
Speaker 1: then we had obviously Dacas went pretty big as well.
Speaker 1: But seeing anyone we like this weekend, actually think it's
Speaker 1: pretty tough, partially because for some bizarre reason, maybe Olympics related,
Speaker 1: the AFL has scheduled two matches on Friday night, including
Speaker 1: West Coast versus Gold Coo. So our friend Cohen Livingston
Speaker 1: if he doesn't make the team popular loophole. But he'll
Speaker 1: be playing on Friday, so that does, yeah, make things
Speaker 1: a bit more tricky.
Speaker 5: Good thing, I've got six other guys show are not playing. Yeah,
Speaker 5: that does throw the spanner in the works a little bit.
Speaker 5: I mean the bondsibous one that stands out, or any
Speaker 5: of those Bulldogs players or Max Gorn on Friday, if
Speaker 5: you had a law or oh if you've got Trelaw,
Speaker 5: absolutely slap it on him, that would be. Yeah, that'd
Speaker 5: be my shout. I'm looking at Harry Cheezel against Richmond.
Speaker 1: Yes, I think that's that's the one that really stands out.
Speaker 1: I mean midfielder's end sort of. Half backs have both
Speaker 1: scored extremely well against Richmond this year, including Deekos as
Speaker 1: we saw on the weekend, and they decided not to
Speaker 1: tag him for a quarter and that didn't go so well,
Speaker 1: and then sort of had a bit of a Liam
Speaker 1: Baker a bit of seth gamble running around with him.
Speaker 1: Slowed him down a signy bit. But yeah, I'd still
Speaker 1: back in Harry. Sheees to go pretty well and even
Speaker 1: you know an LDU type or of mkirche comes back
Speaker 1: should score well as well.
Speaker 4: Yep, yeah, I think Bonds the obvious one, except I
Speaker 4: have a rule that I won't VC on the first
Speaker 4: night of the round. I don't know why that's the rule.
Speaker 2: I don't understand it.
Speaker 4: I also have a set of rules I apply my
Speaker 4: captaincy and vice seventy two. He's the only one that
Speaker 4: actually passes those rules this week. But my other option,
Speaker 4: my slight pottish option, is probably Tom Stewart, who won
Speaker 4: thirty four, ninety nine and one seventy four in his
Speaker 4: last three against Adelaide. The one thirty four was from
Speaker 4: this year, so a bit, and he seems to be
Speaker 4: back in form at the cost of Max Holmes.
Speaker 3: It looks like midfield.
Speaker 2: I mean's Sam Flanders on a Friday night.
Speaker 1: Well, I was going to ask about him, your favorite
Speaker 1: that we forget to mention every week, but I mean,
Speaker 1: coming off of one thirty, yeah, plays.
Speaker 5: The Eagles coming off of one forty, well, please our
Speaker 5: disrespect to our Lord and savior, Sam Flanders.
Speaker 4: He still hasn't dropped below one hundred this year, still
Speaker 4: low one hundred. That's remarkable, incredible, that's remarkable.
Speaker 5: So I think it'll be at Flanders into Sheeesel situation
Speaker 5: for me, but also if you've got to bra sure
Speaker 5: us a wrong, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to elaborate, but you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I mean the other team that gives up points to
Speaker 1: defenders is some Kilda. I've got a reputation for that.
Speaker 1: And you've got Dane zorco playing on Sunday the Saints
Speaker 1: in some decent form at the moment, so maybe that
Speaker 1: doesn't quite apply. But yeah, that's been been a sort
Speaker 1: of a long standing thing in Super Coach. And the
Speaker 1: only other one I'd keep in mind is Tristan Cherry
Speaker 1: was obviously massive on the weekend. If Nank doesn't get up,
Speaker 1: he'll be racking against you know, a combination of Samson
Speaker 1: Ryan and Noah Bolter and Jacob Kaski. So you think
Speaker 1: you'd probably go right as well, you'd think so. Now,
Speaker 1: I looked up the head to head prediction last week
Speaker 1: and I in my memory this was definitely me backing
Speaker 1: in Harry Sheesel versus James's Nick Dekos.
Speaker 2: Allow its exactly.
Speaker 3: Let's just go with that.
Speaker 5: Anyone who objects, please raise their hand. No objections, all.
Speaker 1: Right, chect the tape and it didn't exactly say, Harry Sheesel,
Speaker 1: but that's I'm certain that's what it was.
Speaker 3: So we'll we'll run, we'll call.
Speaker 5: It, we'll call it a win to you and James
Speaker 5: can mail in his objections from Noosera wherever he is.
Speaker 3: Good, good plan.
Speaker 1: So I don't actually have one down for this week
Speaker 1: and James is in here, so do we just call
Speaker 1: it a four.
Speaker 4: Foot potentially yeah, football club versus Harry Sheesel's score.
Speaker 2: Harry Chesel, I'm backing in the shees there.
Speaker 1: And the last topic on the rundown is Monday moves.
Speaker 1: But this is going to be a very short segment
Speaker 1: to anything for you.
Speaker 5: That I will be playing with some DPPs and swings.
Speaker 1: I mean looking at those order of games quickly. Is
Speaker 1: there any much loopholing we can do? Obviously, as you said,
Speaker 1: you've got a few zero so it gives you some options.
Speaker 1: Hopefully I can loot mason Wood and Kolby mcirtchhill. Please
Speaker 1: somebody else talk.
Speaker 2: Begging.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've just got the one trade. I don't want
Speaker 1: to use it, so probably no trades for me this weekend,
Speaker 1: but like you will be well weariously.
Speaker 4: Through are you trading as discussed earlier. It's it's a
Speaker 4: decision if I use what twenty five percent of my
Speaker 4: remaining trades or fifty percent. If it's twenty five percent, dowling,
Speaker 4: the riches is locked in. If it's fifty percent, it's
Speaker 4: going to be dowling to a Sinclare who was also
Speaker 4: defense mid eligible bit Pottish scoring relatively well, and it
Speaker 4: allows me to probably fix up one dead rookie in
Speaker 4: the back line.
Speaker 3: I like it, yeah, and simply as a great run home.
Speaker 1: I think you were playing every game at Marble from
Speaker 1: here on in, so I mean as Wane Miller for
Speaker 1: another if you want more of an even more potty pod,
Speaker 1: I like it.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 4: The only sure I have is I keep choosing. I
Speaker 4: keep loopholing all these big scores and choosing the wrong one,
Speaker 4: like taking Hogan's one fourteen last week and Kerno's one
Speaker 4: nineteen this week. Actually lost fifty points both times. So
Speaker 4: I just you know, you never know.
Speaker 2: Well, let me go get my tiny vale.
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Speaker 3: Thanks to Patch, Thank you, Hello, yes, hi, I think
Speaker 3: we did that.
Speaker 4: Hell long a bit?
Speaker 5: Yeah no, Thank you for having me yet again and
Speaker 5: putting up with my utter nonsense.
Speaker 3: And thanks huge. Thank you too, Lech for jumping on.
Speaker 1: It's been an absolute pleasure talking draft and hearing about
Speaker 1: your Supercoach adventures this season.
Speaker 4: Oh great to be Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Hopefully we'll get you back on pretty soon. And thanks
Speaker 1: of course to the Phantom for jumping on as well.
Speaker 1: Thanks everybody for watching and listening. I've been Al Payton,
Speaker 1: have a great Round twenty one and happy super coaching.