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Speaker 1: the show. Tiff and Here and Cook has joined us graciously.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Jeff has missed her for the last six, seven,

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Speaker 1: eight nine episodes because she spoiled him on episode one

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Speaker 1: and just got him a little bit addicted to her,

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Speaker 1: you know, not not hard, and then she disappeared puff

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Speaker 1: into the night, never to be seen again. Why are

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Speaker 1: you back? Yeah, oh you're asking Tip.

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Speaker 2: I thought you were asking me aware, Doc, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I thought I really joined this, this you know community,

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Speaker 2: this the U project community, because I felt like, you know,

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Speaker 2: Craig is sort of the Howard Stern of you know

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Speaker 2: podcasts down under It. You were his Robin Quivers and

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Speaker 2: this was going to be this funny dialogue and he'd

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Speaker 2: make you laugh and be embarrassed and and I would

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Speaker 2: feel awkward, and then you were gone.

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Speaker 1: Do we Is Howard Stern still up and about? I mean,

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Speaker 1: is he still on the air?

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Speaker 2: I think so. But his last over the years, his humor,

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Speaker 2: and I think with did his any credibility that might

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Speaker 1: He seemed to get a bit grumpy there for a while.

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Speaker 1: I think we didn't really grow up. I mean we

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Speaker 1: because I've taken an interest, but most dozzies have never

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Speaker 1: really I could be do you know who he is?

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Speaker 2: Tiff?

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Speaker 3: I know the name, but I couldn't tell you anything

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Speaker 1: Like a lot of people kind of know his name,

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Speaker 1: but we didn't grow up, Like he didn't have a

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Speaker 1: the He was almost like, not the pioneer of podcasting,

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Speaker 1: was just, you know, kind of wild, out of control

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Speaker 1: where he got amazing ratings, but I think the stations

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Speaker 1: what the fuck was gonna happen. He was a wild child, yep.

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Speaker 1: I mean he did all kinds of shit on air,

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Speaker 1: didn't he doc.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you called it. He was one of the early

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Speaker 2: we call them shock jokes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and he I'll tell you off AIRTIF some

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Speaker 1: of the shit that he used to do on air live,

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Speaker 1: But we won't be doing any of that on the

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Speaker 1: You Project because we're clearly we're a family show operating

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Speaker 1: with the highest level of integrity. I mean, look at us.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever seen three more different people than the doc?

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Speaker 1: And you and me? Like him over there with his

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Speaker 1: giant brain in his beautiful office and he's like fucking

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Speaker 1: magnificent Hollywood face, and me the redneck from more Well,

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Speaker 1: and then you seventy thirty man who likes punching people

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Speaker 1: self proclaimed. By the way, everybody, don't send me an

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Speaker 1: email speak to me.

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Speaker 3: Which did I tell you that? Benny Fort? Did I

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Speaker 3: tell you that? Have I seen you?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: Ben Ford, the broadcaster from Sydney? What about him?

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Speaker 3: No? No, not ben Ford, Benny Fort. Ben Fort's a

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Speaker 3: blind guy that I did the sparring sessions with Doc

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Speaker 3: to keep you up to speed. I had a couple

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Speaker 3: of sparring sessions with a blind bloke to get him

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Speaker 2: Can I tell you now?

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Speaker 1: Just hang on, hang on, let him digest all those variables.

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Speaker 1: I'll just repeat that I did a couple of sparring

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Speaker 1: a fight. What the fuck is that about?

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Speaker 2: This is the pilot episode for our sitcom soon to

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Speaker 2: be found on major network.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, go on, what happened with the blind bloke? That's

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Speaker 3: By the way, So he fought last Saturday night, thrown

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Speaker 3: into the ring six other blokes with blindfolds. Benny blind

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Speaker 1: Could you be any prouder right now?

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Speaker 3: I'm so proud of him.

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Speaker 1: You taught someone to be violent and how to hurt.

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Speaker 3: Do you know how hard it is for novices to

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Speaker 1: And he couldn't even see who he was hitting. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so all these opponents did they put bells around their necks?

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Speaker 3: No, they just it was chaos. They just had all

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Speaker 1: How did the docs like? Can you get to me?

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Speaker 1: You fucking idiots?

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Speaker 2: I don't like this.

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Speaker 1: I'm an important person.

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Speaker 1: How do you reckon that? We'll come to you in

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Speaker 1: a moment. How do you reckon the insurance went for

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Speaker 1: that event? Tip?

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Speaker 3: Oh, I'd love to know some of the back you know,

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Speaker 3: the back end dramas that they must have to go

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Speaker 1: That's never getting approved in the States. Is it doc

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Speaker 1: like blokes in a ring in blind fold, blindfolded punching

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Speaker 2: It's happening here. It's it's called reality TV. It's usually

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Speaker 2: it usually starts the title starts the Real Housewives of

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Speaker 1: The blind Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Do you

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Speaker 1: we'll get onto the top. I actually have a real

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Speaker 1: call the blanket term cage fighting. Mainly people think of

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Speaker 1: the UFC, But do you hate it? Are you interested

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Speaker 2: No, It's it's kind of like driving by, you know,

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Speaker 2: You know you don't want to stop traffic and behind

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Speaker 2: I do I do have that sort of side of

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Speaker 1: I'm the same. Yeah, I'm with you, like I love

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Speaker 2: Yep. And I'm here, you know, just a few miles

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Speaker 1: Mmm. Well, people want to do it, people want to

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Speaker 1: It's probably there's no more divisive sport than cage fighting,

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Speaker 1: I guess. But nonetheless, I don't think it's going away

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Speaker 1: And by the way, doctor Jeff never knows what I'm

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Speaker 2: A blindfolded Vader.

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Speaker 1: Really yeah, pretty much, pretty much. So you want to

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Speaker 1: see this coming. I mean, we've never done an episode

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Speaker 2: I would love to. I would absolutely love to, because

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Speaker 2: would love to. Let's let's break it down, Let's use

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Speaker 1: So, I mean, I think for me, I always want

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Speaker 2: I was about to say, all three of us are

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Speaker 2: We should, you know, get those little treadmills at our

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Speaker 1: And I think also, like you make a really good

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Speaker 1: rector subdominance. They're generally not training their TVA transversus subdominance.

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Speaker 1: They're not training internal or external obliques. They're not training

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Speaker 1: the muscles at the back, their hip extenses, you know that.

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Speaker 1: And then what happens is sometimes uh, you know, so

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Speaker 2: Right, it's not uncommon if that's not funny, Tiff, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Hey, Tiff, why don't you tell the doc? Why don't

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Speaker 2: think I might be able to give you some advice

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Speaker 2: and for listeners and viewers of this of this show,

436
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 2: some insight into a couple different elements. First, let's start

437
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:14,919
Speaker 2: with MRI I. Greg Or Tiff, do you know how

438
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:15,919
Speaker 2: an MRI works?

439
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 1: I know what MRI stands for, but other than magnetic

440
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 1: resonance imaging not particularly known.

441
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,160
Speaker 2: All right, well, let's let's talk about it for a minute,

442
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 2: because it's it's really cool. It's like of all the

443
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,439
Speaker 2: technology we have in the world this day and age,

444
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 2: you know, artificial intelligence, you know, nuclear technology? Yeah, good

445
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 2: or bad? MRI I is is right in there, and

446
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 2: it kind of falls under the heading of nuclear physics

447
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,640
Speaker 2: of sorts. So let's let's explain it and what it's

448
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 2: really cool and what it is is you you you

449
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 2: get inside this powerful magnet and the magnet is measured,

450
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,120
Speaker 2: the strength of the magnet is measured, and what's called

451
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 2: tesla and not to be confused with the car company,

452
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 2: but but with the you know, father of modern electromagnetic

453
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 2: energy and the Nicola Tesla. So the higher the number

454
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 2: the field of the magnet, the better the resolution of

455
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 2: the images. We call that signal to noise ratio and

456
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 2: we get a lot more but different information than a

457
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 2: CAT scan. A cat scan is a computed X ray

458
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,880
Speaker 2: and you can thank the Beatles for cat scans? Did

459
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 2: you know that?

460
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:32,400
Speaker 1: Do tell.

461
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 2: The U when when the math technology was coming out

462
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 2: to figure out how to take a bunch of X rays,

463
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 2: digitize the information mathematically converted into a two D image

464
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 2: and different planes and have that data by what's called

465
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 2: you know, forty a transform. The company I believe it

466
00:25:55,600 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 2: was called Electronic Data, something I believe was in Canada,

467
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 2: was actually funded by the Beatles. Their manager was investing

468
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,239
Speaker 2: their money very intelligently and they funded this company that

469
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 2: actually developed cat scan. I think it's EEDI or something

470
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 2: like that. Wow, So they were behind that. So every

471
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 2: time you have a cat scan, the Beatles probably get

472
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 2: a royalty. But the back to Amri. So you get

473
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 2: in this field, and a really good one these days

474
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 2: is called a three tesla magnet. And I'm gonna throw

475
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 2: a little math in here, but the strength of the

476
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 2: magnet refers to the You have to square that number

477
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 2: to understand the relative strength of the pictures. So if

478
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 2: you go into a three tesla versus a one point

479
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 2: five tesla, that's not a The three isn't twice as good.

480
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 2: It's it's three squared as nine compared to one point five,

481
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 2: which is squared it's two point twenty five. So it's

482
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 2: you know, three or four times better. And they even

483
00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 2: have seven tesla magnets in a couple plays Academic Center.

484
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 2: So the pictures are amazing. It's like looking at the

485
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 2: real anatomy. But these these three tesla magnets. You get

486
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 2: in there and it looks at your water in your body.

487
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 2: So there's water in our cells, in our fat, in

488
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 2: our tissues, and in our fluids. And the water has

489
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 2: H two O and the H is hydrogen and hydrogen

490
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 2: has you know, if you think about the atomic symbol, right,

491
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 2: has a little proton circulating around there. So you get

492
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 2: in this magnet and all of your your protons are

493
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 2: spinning and it lines up all the spin but uh,

494
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 2: and then it turns off. And this happens very fast, right,

495
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 2: and that's why it makes these loud sounds. Tiff, wasn't

496
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 2: that loud, like bang bang bang bang bang?

497
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yep.

498
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,479
Speaker 2: So it's turning on, turning off, turning on, turning off.

499
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 2: So it turns on, it aligns all of your protons

500
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 2: in your water, in your body, and then they they

501
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 2: get energized and then they want to relax back to

502
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 2: the way they were. Some of them are lazier than

503
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 2: others and relax faster. As they relax from a high

504
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 2: energy state to a lower energy state, they give off

505
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 2: a little er radio signal, would you believe. And these

506
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 2: rooms are heavily embedded with the walls have copper, so

507
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 2: there's no extraneous radio signal. And they have these very

508
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,959
Speaker 2: sensitive detectors in three D space that know in the

509
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 2: xyz planes, depending on where you are in that machine,

510
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 2: what radio signal was giving off by which group of

511
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 2: tissues and that's basically translated mathematically into a vauxel, which

512
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 2: is a three D XYZ picture of that little spot

513
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 2: like a pixel on a TV. And then it can

514
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,959
Speaker 2: assign values like certain tissues have more water, relaxing, quicker,

515
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,239
Speaker 2: et cetera. And they've assigned those and now we can

516
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 2: look at anatomy based upon the relaxing of the protons

517
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 2: of your water. So I just want to throw that

518
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 2: out there because it is one of the coolest things

519
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 2: we have going for us in medical imaging.

520
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: Wow, there's going to be a test at the end

521
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: tip so there.

522
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 2: Will be Yeah, and we're just scratching the surface. We're

523
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 2: only looking at protons and water. We could be looking

524
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 2: at other things. And there are a couple other tests

525
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 2: where they look at things. But and this is this

526
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 2: is incredible stuff. But they get this MRI and and

527
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 2: you have to think about this MRI. It's a snapshot

528
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 2: in time. So so they looked at your neck and

529
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 2: they told you. First thing they told you is you've

530
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 2: lost the normal curve of your neck. So the spine

531
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Speaker 2: is built of curves. The neck also known as the

532
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 2: cervical spine. You guys say cervical or cervical cervical, okay,

533
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 2: because we had a South African professor who said cervical,

534
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 2: but some.

535
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: But generally I say cervical.

536
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 2: So the cervical is is the top seven vertebrae from

537
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 2: the skull down to your what we call the thoracic spine,

538
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 2: some people call the dors spine. And that's tell you why, yep, yep,

539
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 2: the t's so that And how do you know the

540
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 2: t's because they got ribs. You got you know, twelve

541
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 2: sets ribs, you got twelve te's. So but this upper

542
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 2: seven are your neck. You know how many tiff You

543
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 2: know how many vertebra a giraft's neck has. No, I didn't, Craig,

544
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 2: do you know.

545
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: How many vertebrates a drafts neck has. I'm gonna go

546
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: with that. I'm going to one hundred and twenty two.

547
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 2: Well you're almost close. It's seven, just like us even

548
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 2: they're just really tall.

549
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: Wow. Ever, yeah, wow, I was?

550
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 3: Are we having so this?

551
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Speaker 2: Those seven have a gentle sea shaped curve, and the lumbar,

552
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 2: the lower back has a gentle sea shaped curve, and

553
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 2: the thoracic has a reverse sea shaped curve, such that

554
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 2: when you add up all these curves the seven in

555
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 2: the cervical, the alternating curve of the twelve and the thoracic,

556
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 2: and then to the five in the lumbar. They cancel

557
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 2: out so that the head always sits above the pelvis.

558
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 2: So that's called sagital balance or neutral balance. Where our

559
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 2: heads should be right, that center of gravity should be

560
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 2: straight up and down. The head should sit above your

561
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 2: your tail. So these curves cancel out. If they don't,

562
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 2: you could start to get thrown out of whack.

563
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: Yes, okay.

564
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 2: So as as the neck is becomes degenerated to the

565
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 2: discs degenerator, they have injuries and things like that, it

566
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 2: tends to lose its curve. We also see that in

567
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 2: muscle spasm and injury, the neck loses its curve. Sometimes

568
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 2: the body's tightening it up on purpose and that pulls

569
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 2: it out of curve. We love the curve because it's

570
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 2: the least stressful posture for the disks. So building up

571
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,719
Speaker 2: the back of the neck muscles to the exercise science

572
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 2: guru Greig Harper of The Up Project, my favorite bloke.

573
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,959
Speaker 1: So you you.

574
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 2: You can build those up. I like I like people

575
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 2: to do, you know, push against Yeah, uh, you know

576
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 2: you could. They have these gizmos too. You can hook

577
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 2: your head up in a straddle and pull on a weight.

578
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 2: But but building up the reverse muscles in the neck

579
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 2: that go up and down the neck is probably the

580
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 2: best thing to rebuild the structure of the muscles of

581
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 2: the neck and regain that that healthy curve. But in

582
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 2: your case, the loss of the curve is a symptom,

583
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 2: not a disease. It's a clue your body's trying to

584
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 2: protect itself. And then Tiff said, the nerve pathways that

585
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 2: transmit the nerves from your spinal cord out the spine

586
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 2: to your shoulders, arms and hands, tingling in the hands,

587
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 2: and that you mentioned it is a manifestation of the

588
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 2: little little nerve windows and accumulation of disk degeneration, bone spurs,

589
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 2: and sometimes you're just born with little narrow pathways can

590
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 2: crowd that space where they travel, and that we call

591
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 2: that stenosis. Those windows are called peramena peramena or Latin

592
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 2: plural so pheramenal stenosis is what you have. And it

593
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 2: can bother the nerves down into the arm in different

594
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 2: patterns all the way down to the hand. And that

595
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 2: bothering is called ridiculopathy. It's ridiculous when you have it

596
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 2: that it's ridiculopathy. And why is that the word? Because

597
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 2: those nerves that come out your spine from the spinal

598
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 2: cord are called the nerve roots because of the very

599
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 2: the very first part of the creation of the nerve

600
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 2: that goes out. And if you remember from math class,

601
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 2: if you take the root of a number, like the

602
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 2: root of four, you're also taking the radical of four

603
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 2: of the radical four of courses too. So the nerve

604
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 2: problem with the nerve root is a root apathy or

605
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 2: in Latin radical apathy ridiculous apathy. There you go, you're

606
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 2: an expert.

607
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:15,399
Speaker 1: I reckoned a couple of things, right, that was first thing.

608
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: You need to start a podcast called ridiculopathy. You were

609
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: You're welcome. You can have that. That's free. Right, that's free.

610
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:32,879
Speaker 1: Didn't do that. That was jumbo jumbo GPT. Remember we've

611
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: spoken about training, the training and the neck extenses and

612
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: how people are very strong through sterno clido mastoid like

613
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: like the muscles that everybody.

614
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 3: Is through there. I had to I had to spend

615
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 3: my first four weeks doing chin tucks to turn those

616
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,399
Speaker 3: and now I've progressed to doing weird strapping my head

617
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 3: to a squat right standing against it.

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00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, training those reird neck muscles. It's tricky though, because

619
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: it's not it's I mean, it's of course it's possible.

620
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: And I love that you said that because people say

621
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Speaker 1: to me, or I often say to people when we're

622
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: talking about neglected muscle groups, I talk about training the neck,

623
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 1: and people like, train the neck. What for? I'm like, yeah,

624
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: because every second person has a fucking sore neck and

625
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: people don't train it. And then so the people the

626
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: front of the neck is relatively strong because they're in

627
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: this kind of reflexion forward posture, you know, talk about

628
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: their heads nowhere near their center of gravity, and especially

629
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: because sitting predisposes us to well, not always, but if

630
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,720
Speaker 1: we're not thinking, most of us have our head forward

631
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: for hours and hours and hours. And then when you

632
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: try to get your head in. I don't know what

633
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: it's called, what you would call it anatomically, but I

634
00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 1: just call it like a neutral position where it's Yeah,

635
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: when it's in a neutral position, that almost feels weird

636
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: to people because they're so used to this forward head position. Yep.

637
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 2: One you could be a spine expert if you're not already,

638
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 2: because that's exactly what we talk about. And I couldn't

639
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 2: agree with you more.

640
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk. Are you sick of talking about

641
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:22,760
Speaker 1: because I've got still got lots of questions?

642
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 2: Oh no, we could talk. We could talk spine and details.

643
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: And you know.

644
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: What about the fact that, like a lot of people

645
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 1: through the hip flexes, So the muscles at the front

646
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: of your hips. Everyone hip flexes, So all the muscles

647
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: that let's say you're standing straight and then you bend

648
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: your hips you go to sit on a chair, that's

649
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: called hip flexion, and then when you stand back up,

650
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:47,280
Speaker 1: that's called hip extensions or hip extension. Must hip extents

651
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: or muscles are at the back, hip flex or muscles

652
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: are at the front, right, because because we sit so

653
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: much where to sit down generation? I read somewhere recently

654
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: that we we expend between six and eight hundred calories

655
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: less per day than two generations ago because of I

656
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: don't know how accurate that is, but I liked it,

657
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: so I just milk it. But anyway, we sit down

658
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: a lot, and one of the byproducts is that because

659
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: we're so often in this hip flexion position, we have shorter,

660
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: less flexible, tighter hip flexes, and weaker stretched kind of

661
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: glutes and hamstrings. Is that a thing?

662
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we see a lot of problems that are

663
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 2: that that cluster of issues happen. And you know a

664
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 2: lot of we call tape posterior chains the buttocks down

665
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 2: to the muscles down the back of the thigh and

666
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 2: they're just we're not getting the range of motion use

667
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 2: of well not just hips, but but you know, hips,

668
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 2: your lumbo pelvic structures are just you know, ruined if

669
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 2: you're sitting all day. And I'm guilty of it a

670
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 2: lot at the time as well. But and you've got

671
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 2: to work them those out. You've got to do flexibility work,

672
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 2: you've got to do strengthening, you've got to use those parts. Yeah.

673
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, Can I step back from the specifics of the

674
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: back still talking about pain, this is like this is

675
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: a little pain. Measuring pain is like like you know,

676
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: like I'm doing my doctorate in psychology, right. Psychology is

677
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: a funny area of research because it's kind of it's

678
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,720
Speaker 1: interesting and fascinating and necessary, but it's kind of bullshit

679
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 1: because you can't really measure. There's a lot you can't

680
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: measure because it's all these you know, subjective assessments, right,

681
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:45,919
Speaker 1: it's you know, and I think like with pain, even

682
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: with my clients back in the day, I would say

683
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: to them, you know, if they've got to saw something,

684
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: I'd go, cool, what's like one to ten? Ten being

685
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: agony that you can't deal with one?

686
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 2: Being?

687
00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: Fuck all? What's the score? And everyone's you know, individual

688
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: kind of self assessment. Like Tiff and I might be

689
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: feeling the exact same thing, the exact same pain, and

690
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 1: I call it a fucking nine because I'm a big baby,

691
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,439
Speaker 1: and she calls it a three because she's a warrior, right.

692
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 1: But it's actually the it is how much of pain

693
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: as an experience or is it influenced by our psychology

694
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 1: and mindset so that that not only do we label

695
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: it as a higher or lower number, but can our

696
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: thinking actually turn up the pain so to speak?

697
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, there is a major psychological involvement contributor

698
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 2: in the in the perception of pain, physical physical pain

699
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 2: we're talking about. But I think it makes sense here

700
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 2: to talk about the the poor utility of a linear

701
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 2: one to ten scale, and this this is called the

702
00:39:56,239 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 2: vas the visual analog scale, and It is a one

703
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 2: to ten scale. Ten is typically, you know, the highest

704
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 2: pain you've ever experienced. In zero is no pain, and

705
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 2: it was designed Craig for surgical recovery rooms. So you

706
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 2: have a major surgery, you know, someone replaces your hip,

707
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 2: and then you go in the recovery room and you're

708
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 2: in quite a bit of pain. But they don't know

709
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 2: how much morphine to give you because everyone's different in

710
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 2: how they respond to two milligrams or twelve milligrams or whatever.

711
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 2: So so they ask you what's your on a one

712
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 2: to ten scale, what's your pain? And they sometimes show

713
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 2: this little picture and it has these little frownie faces

714
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 2: a ten and a little happy phase. At zero you

715
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,439
Speaker 2: get the I'm a seven, okay, And then they give

716
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 2: you okay, we'll give you a starting those of two

717
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,720
Speaker 2: milligrams a morphine, and then they come back five minutes

718
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 2: later to see how it hits you. Did your seven

719
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 2: go down? Yes? How far down to? Oh? I'm a three?

720
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 2: All right, I'll give you one more milligram. You know,

721
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 2: that's what it's for. It was not designed for the

722
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 2: measurement of ongoing and chronic pain. The problem with this

723
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:06,879
Speaker 2: scale is people adjust their perception of paint over time.

724
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 2: And the scale that people one to ten scale is

725
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 2: biology is not linear, so the difference between a two

726
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 2: and a three could be vastly different between the nine

727
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 2: out of the ten and nine to ten. And then

728
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 2: there's a reference frame problem. Like you said, So you know,

729
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 2: if if if Tiff, because she's the warrior, if she

730
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 2: came over and punched your right shoulder as hard as

731
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 2: you could, and you're like, ow, Tiff, that's a nine,

732
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 2: and then she'll and then and she say, but Craig,

733
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 2: you've haven't seen anything yet, and she goes to your

734
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 2: other shoulder, punches it twice as hard, and it's even

735
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,879
Speaker 2: twice as much pain on the other shoulder. You would say, wow,

736
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 2: I guess that, well, first shoulder wasn't really a nine

737
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 2: because I'm already off the scale on this other one.

738
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,720
Speaker 2: So let me revise that that nine down to a five,

739
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 2: and I'll give you a ten on the new shoulder. Well,

740
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 2: we have to help patience. We give them a frame.

741
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 2: I tell them this when you come in the office,

742
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 2: if you've got pain, I want you to I want

743
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 2: you to tell me ten. Is I got to take

744
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 2: you to the hospital, right now I got to coll

745
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 2: an ambulance get you to the hospital because there's no

746
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 2: way I can manage a ten. Here in the office,

747
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 2: I say, A four is where you got to take

748
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 2: a narcotic pain pill. You know, I don't. I don't

749
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 2: know what you have there in Australia, but we have

750
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 2: things like Norco and Lord Tab and Vike it in.

751
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 2: You probably have different brand names, but it's a little

752
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,760
Speaker 2: bit of a narcotic. And then and then I say

753
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 2: a seven means that pain pill isn't working. So I

754
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 2: give them a frame because they come in on it's

755
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 2: ten out of ten, like, here's my skill? Nowhere is it? Oh,

756
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 2: it's really a three? You know.

757
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: It's it's funny. There's a very similar thing that we've

758
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: spoken about too much here on the show, but I'll

759
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: just run it out once more. But in exercise science,

760
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: there's a skyale called the right of perceived exertion a

761
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: PAE which you may or may not have heard of,

762
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: but basically it makes how hard you think you'll work

763
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: and the amount of times when somebody's making all kinds

764
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,760
Speaker 1: of faces. I'm training someone an athlete or a non athlete,

765
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 1: and they're grunting and fucking panting, and and I know

766
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: that they're not working as hard as they look like

767
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,439
Speaker 1: they're or they're they're making out they're working. And I say,

768
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 1: out of ten ten, being your absolute superhuman end of

769
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: the scale, you couldn't do anymore, any harder, any heavier,

770
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: like ten out of ten, what are you working out now?

771
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 3: Like?

772
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,760
Speaker 1: What was that set? And people will often say, oh,

773
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: that that was an eight or nine, And I'm like,

774
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: because I'm literally I've literally been around tens of thousands

775
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: of sessions and workouts, I'm going, it's a three. It's

776
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,919
Speaker 1: maybe a four. And so that person who just did

777
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: an exercise on a certain weight, so a certain exercise

778
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 1: at a certain weight, and they did twelve reps and

779
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,879
Speaker 1: they thought that was almost their app max. And then

780
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: I have this chat to them right now where I

781
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 1: talk about the difference between what is hard and what

782
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: we think is hard, and what we're capable of and

783
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 1: where we think we're at, and I just talk about

784
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 1: literally the perception of effort, and I go, I could

785
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 1: be wrong, but I've never been wrong with this stuff before.

786
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: I reckon twelve for you as you working at three

787
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,240
Speaker 1: or four, And then I say, I want you without

788
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: being silly, We're not going to kill you that I

789
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: want you to do as many reps on this weight

790
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 1: and let's just see what happens. Do not put it down,

791
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: do not stop until you physically can't fucking move it.

792
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 1: And then the person who did twelve then does forty, right,

793
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: and they're like, and what is good about that?

794
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 3: Is not?

795
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: Oh, I can do sets of forty. Now now that's

796
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: not the point. The point is, I go. Your limitation

797
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: is not your physiology, it's your psychology. Your body is

798
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: fucking amazed, but don't let your mind get in the way.

799
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: And I feel like that's true for not just exercise,

800
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,439
Speaker 1: but many things.

801
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 2: If you could bottle what you just said and that

802
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 2: applies to everything, it's yeah, you're you're spot on, and

803
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 2: it I'm glad you said that. It makes me bring

804
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 2: up a topic here that you can help with. I've

805
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 2: been akin recently to doing workouts more efficiently. My wife

806
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 2: and I go every morning to the gym, and we

807
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 2: instead of doing the old traditional three sets of ten

808
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,879
Speaker 2: or something like that, we are doing something I learned

809
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 2: from John Janquish, which is if you know who this

810
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 2: guy is, he he developed the osteo strong system for

811
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 2: for bone density, and he's got he's got an exercise

812
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:57,240
Speaker 2: system based on heavy elastic bands. But but he.

813
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: He speaks to.

814
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 2: One set to fail Yeah, and so what this maximum

815
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 2: exertion thing you're talking about is really what is failure?

816
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 2: And how can you get more out of failure? Because

817
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,760
Speaker 2: at those last few reps is where the real work

818
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 2: is done that stimulates muscle hypertrophy or for those of

819
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 2: you at home, muscle growth, the size of your muscle.

820
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 2: And and you know, we go to the gym, we

821
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 2: try to do one set to failure. We try to

822
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 2: hit fifteen to forty reps. If we're hitting failure before

823
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 2: fifteen too much weight, if we're hidden, if we can

824
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 2: get to sixty reps before we fail too little weight,

825
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 2: and we try to and this is not my method,

826
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 2: we can get a workout in a much shorter amount

827
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 2: of time. And I've noticed the gains and but I've

828
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 2: noticed this failure is different on different days. If I'm

829
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 2: energetic and I'm pumped and I'm in the right mood,

830
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 2: I can do more than on days where I'm not

831
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 2: psychologically there, you know, to get it. And and notice

832
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 2: that in her as well. So you're you're so right it.

833
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:06,800
Speaker 2: You can get so much more out of your physical

834
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 2: workout if you if you psych up for the set,

835
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 2: if you do the uh what what is the uh?

836
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 2: The dance that the you know, the Tonguans and Samoans

837
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:19,959
Speaker 2: do before a battle.

838
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: Or before a gat the haka haka haka.

839
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 2: You almost have to do your own hakka, you know,

840
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 2: and get your testosterone pumped. And for women too, you

841
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,320
Speaker 2: have to they have to stosterone. You've got to pump

842
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 2: up and go, you know.

843
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I mean, like I always say to people

844
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: that that apart from going to the gym and having

845
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: to hang out with your mates and talking and having

846
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: a bit of socializing and getting a bit sweaty and

847
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: producing a bit of dopamine and doing all those things

848
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 1: which are good. Like really, the point of exercises to

849
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 1: stretch your body to create an adaptive response. And so

850
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,439
Speaker 1: you know, strength is an adaptive response. Improved flexibility, range

851
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: of movement, power, speed, aerobic endurance, muscular endurance, all of

852
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 1: these things are physiological responses to doing something to your body. Now,

853
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: when some people like you say, oh, one exercise, one

854
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: set to that, some people will go Oh, that's not enough.

855
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: And that's because we've been programmed to think that, oh,

856
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: we need to do it a certain way. But the

857
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: truth is what you're talking about, done the right way,

858
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: one set is going to give more benefit than five

859
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: sets done the wrong way. Right, And so trying to

860
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: get your mind out of you know, this, this kind

861
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 1: of oh, there's only one way to produce strength gains,

862
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: there's only one way to drop fat. There's only one way.

863
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: And the thing is that not only does everybody respond differently,

864
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 1: you know, to you know, different bodies and different minds

865
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: respond differently to the same stimuli, but even the same

866
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: person responds, as you said, differently to the same stimuli

867
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 1: stimulus or stimuli depending on the day, right, And so

868
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: it's not fuck, it's not a constant. It's dynamic, you know,

869
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 1: it's fluid how your body will work, even how your

870
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 1: body will work from am to pm in terms of

871
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: optimal you know, like training time, recovery time. You know,

872
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 1: Tiff and I have spoken about this many times in

873
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: terms of when even when my brain works better, Like

874
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: I know, and people would laugh at this, but if

875
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: you did an IQ test on me at eight am

876
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: versus eight pm, I would be considerably dumber at night

877
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 1: on a you know, And that's it's not because you're literally,

878
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: broadly speaking dumber, bit because my brain works better at night,

879
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: my body works in the morning. My body. So it's

880
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 1: trying to figure out with all of this stuff, how

881
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 1: your particular you know, anatomy and physiology responds to these things.

882
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: You know, Yes, so I'm glad you're doing that. But

883
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 1: also the other thing I would say to you is

884
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 1: like everything it works for a while and then it

885
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: doesn't work. It needs to be variety and progression. And

886
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,399
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, that's cool, that's cool. But if

887
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 1: I train a bodybuilder like a powerlifter, that motherfucker is

888
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: going to be sore for a week. If I train

889
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 1: a powerlifter like a bodybuilder, he won't be able, you know.

890
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: And it's like, and it's not that one is better

891
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: or the other is better. It's like, well, you know,

892
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 1: like some days I will go to the gym and

893
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 1: everything will be sets of thirty. Some days it'll everything

894
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 1: will be sets of six. It depends, and you get

895
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: benefit both ways. But when you're constantly stressing your body

896
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: the same way, same kind of sets and reps, and

897
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: volume and exercises and recovery time. Eventually you start to plateau.

898
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,320
Speaker 1: So so what you're talking about is great, and also

899
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 1: adding as much variety as you can, you know, when appropriate. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that'll be dollars, that'll be ten dollars.

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00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 2: Well I thought we were bartering since I give the

902
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 2: freeze spine consultation.

903
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 1: All right, all right, well you can have that for nothing.

904
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,879
Speaker 1: Hey Gil, great, we love you. How can people find

905
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:08,919
Speaker 1: you and follow you? Doc?

906
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 2: Well? First I got to put a plug in for

907
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 2: my son is in your country. He he's going to

908
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 2: be participating in the half iron Man triathlon in I'm

909
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Speaker 2: gonna butcher this. But macquarie, Yeah.

910
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Porlt mcquarie. Yeah yeah, it's on the that's right,

911
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: it's on the it's on the New South Wales coast.

912
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,760
Speaker 1: So we're in Victoria at the bottom New South Wales.

913
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:39,800
Speaker 1: Sydney slash is above us, and Port mcquarie is above Sydney.

914
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Speaker 1: I think, yeah, so.

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Speaker 2: It's nowhere near you, But anyone who's listening from that

916
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Speaker 2: area go go cheer on. Adam he's gonna he's gonna

917
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Speaker 2: be there. And he went all the way across the

918
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Speaker 2: Pacific two to join your your triathlon and then you

919
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 2: can find me here on the You Project once a

920
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 2: month until I get kicked off. And that is but

921
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 2: I meant re celebrate our E C E L L

922
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Speaker 2: E B R A T E. We focus on stem cells,

923
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Speaker 2: regenerate medicine, peptides, biohacking, anti aging, non kool aid, consumed

924
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Speaker 2: sick care, junk. We do health and wellness and longevity.

925
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Speaker 1: Perfect, perfect, perfect. I loved that. That was a good chat.

926
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Speaker 1: We'll say goodbye off air, but for the minute, Tiff,

927
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 1: thank you. Happy birthday again. Tiff Doc said, well, yesterday,

928
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: but she's still celebrating.

929
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Speaker 3: It goes on for the whole month, So thank you.

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Speaker 1: I mean for sixty four. You look fucking amazing. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: See everyone,