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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm always in awe of the way you open

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Speaker 1: deal with the mess. So doing the skin and like

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00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 1: the scary stuff. Could be I'm going to start a company,

429
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,719
Speaker 1: or it could be I'm going to talk to this

430
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 1: person and say hello. Like it doesn't it's relative to

431
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 1: the ind of you know, it could be. I know

432
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 1: one of the ladies that follows me shem me a

433
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 1: DM and she went basically, you know, I'm out of shape.

434
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:57,879
Speaker 1: I want to Is that what you call a DM

435
00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:58,679
Speaker 1: or a peer?

436
00:23:59,119 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 2: You got it?

437
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: A M anyway, and she's anyway. We went back and

438
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 1: forth and she's like she wants to get in shape,

439
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm like, look, I know you don't

440
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 1: want to do this, but this is my advice based

441
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 1: on what you've told me. It's never been easier or

442
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 1: cheaper to join a gym because there are seventy two

443
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,880
Speaker 1: million fucking gyms in Australia. Right, We've got more gyms

444
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:28,439
Speaker 1: than we've got bloody hot dinners. Right. Second, if you

445
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 1: shop around and haggle a bit, you're going to get

446
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 1: a gym membership for about fifteen bucks a week, which

447
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 1: is give or take two dollars a day. Now for

448
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 1: two dollars a day, you're going to have about a

449
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,880
Speaker 1: million dollars worth of equipment at your disposal. Now, next thing,

450
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,719
Speaker 1: you're scared to go the gym. Good, That doesn't mean

451
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,440
Speaker 1: you shouldn't go. Next thing, you think everyone's looking at you.

452
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 1: No one gives a fuck about you. Right, They're not

453
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 1: looking at you in the gym, And if they are,

454
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,679
Speaker 1: big deal. But they aren't. I've spent my life in

455
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 1: gym's right. When I go to another gym and no

456
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 1: one knows who I am because I'm in state and

457
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 1: I'm doing something, nobody gives a fuck about the sixty

458
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: year old with a stubble at all. They're so preoccupied

459
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: with themselves. Right, Yeah, anyway, So she did it. She

460
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:17,160
Speaker 1: joined the gym, she saw, she had a consult. She's

461
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 1: now three or four weeks in, and she sent me

462
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 1: a message yesterday other day before said you and I

463
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 1: don't always get it, right, of course, but she goes,

464
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 1: you were one thousand percent right. I wish I'd have

465
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: done this fifteen years ago. I fucking not, I fucking

466
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: but I love it. I'm like, good, Now, you wouldn't

467
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 1: have this experience unless you did the thing that scared you.

468
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: So now she's training, she's met another lady that trains

469
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: at the gym. They're going to kind of do a

470
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: bit of stuff together. They like each other. She did

471
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: a class the other night, which you know, she was

472
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: the worst, but she right all of a sudden that

473
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: her world has opened up because she did something. You know,

474
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 1: these people who go, I'm not a gym person, am

475
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 1: I aren't you? You know, it's beautiful.

476
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my gosh, that's amazing. And if you're listening now,

477
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 2: cute as to you and what an inspiration you are

478
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 2: for other people who are having exactly the same thoughts,

479
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 2: ideas and fears right now. Like it's just awesome. It is.

480
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 2: It's you know, people say, oh, but I'm not an exerciser,

481
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,400
Speaker 2: or I don't love exercise, I don't enjoy it. It's like, well,

482
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 2: it's hard. It's meant to be hard. That's why it's

483
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 2: good for us. And it doesn't have to be too hard.

484
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 2: Get the Goldilock zone. The fitty you get, the more

485
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 2: you can do, and what was hard once doesn't feel

486
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 2: hard anymore. And it's it's I was reading something about,

487
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 2: you know, the effort it takes to do things like oh,

488
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 2: I mean, I literally was saying to my daughter because

489
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 2: I'm trying to get the kids to cook a meal

490
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 2: one night a week each harps because oh, I'm so overcooking.

491
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 2: And our son will spend hours soaking chicken in buttermilk

492
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Speaker 2: and then he'll create this amazing crust and da da da,

493
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 2: And our daughter is like, I want to cook the

494
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Speaker 2: pasta and find the rose and spaghetti sauce, you know,

495
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 2: path of least resistance. And I'm like, things that are

496
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 2: worthwhile require effort, require effort and can take time. And

497
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 2: I was, yeah that we reminded me of something the

498
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 2: other day that I read where it was like, you

499
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 2: might not love the process, but perhaps it might help

500
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 2: to focus on what you like about having done the process.

501
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 2: It's like, I like to feel fit and have kind

502
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 2: of like a clearer mind and a better mood. So

503
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 2: the process that's involved in that is getting up and

504
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 2: going to the gym each day or every second day,

505
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 2: or going for my walk or whatever it is for you.

506
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 2: But it's not all easy. We don't always have to

507
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 2: like it. We actually don't have to love every minute

508
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 2: of every day. But it comes back to what you

509
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 2: said earlier. What can I do today that is the

510
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 2: best thing for my body, my brain, my business, if

511
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 2: you've got one, or my potential.

512
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was still going to do the other day

513
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 1: at a not the other day a couple of weeks ago,

514
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: at a gig. Right, I was talking. Finished the gig

515
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: comes up, and he goes, have you got any other

516
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: ideas for me? Like he's getting older and he's probably

517
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 1: lost a bit of muscle. He goes, I really don't

518
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: enjoy weight training. And I go so he's like, what

519
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: do you mean? I go, so what you don't have

520
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: to enjoy it. It's like, I'm not doing that unless

521
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: I enjoy it? Why? Why? Well, how about this? Just

522
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: do it because it's good, Like, just do it. Because

523
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 1: you're fifty five, Your muscle's falling off you, your bone

524
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: density is going through the floor, your function as downgrading,

525
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: your brain's probably downgrading because you're not consciously doing anything

526
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: to improve cognitive function. How about you do it not

527
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: because you fucking enjoy it or enjoy it or don't,

528
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: but because it's a thing that your body needs. And

529
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, well, yeah, I guess yeah. Like this

530
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: whole idea that we're not doing, I'm not doing that

531
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: unless it's fun. Oh fucking good luck, good luck as

532
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: you get you know, it's like that's ridiculous, Like there

533
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: are so many things that you won't enjoy. I mean,

534
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: of course we want to do things. We enjoy things

535
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: that are fun. Me too, me too, But some of

536
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: the shit I need to do, you know, and you

537
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: need to do. And like you, people want to be

538
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: exceptional or they want to produce exceptional outcomes, but they

539
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: don't want to do exceptional things. You know, what's an

540
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: exceptional thing? We'll get up when most people would stay

541
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: in bed. That's exceptional, you know, do the thing like

542
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: when you're tired, you know, and you don't feel like it,

543
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: maybe do it or a bit of it. Anyway, I'm

544
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: not talking about never listening to your body. I'm just like,

545
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: sometimes we've just got to push through that mental and

546
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: or emotional or physiological resistance. You know, that whole predisposition

547
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: that we have, or we seem to have as a

548
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: society where everything's got to be comfortable and convenient and

549
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: we've got to enjoy everything. It's just a very impractical,

550
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: unrealistic strategy for life.

551
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 2: It is. And what we don't stop to think about,

552
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 2: because it's painful to think about. Is if you do

553
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 2: not make the choice now, you're not going to be

554
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 2: having a lot of fun when you get to the

555
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 2: other end. And you know, like Dad, for example, Like

556
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 2: I adore my dad, but he's got a chronic back injury.

557
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 2: He was in a car accident. But you know what,

558
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 2: like he's been so sedentry, he's been so sedentry that

559
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 2: walking now twenty meters is really difficult. He can't do much.

560
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 2: He can't fish, he can't I mean, he's obviously in

561
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 2: a lot of pain, and that's like a you know,

562
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 2: another layer of it. But I just think that we

563
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 2: want to we all imagine, I mean I expect most

564
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 2: of us imagine to live pretty long, healthy lives. We

565
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 2: want to still be able to do the things that

566
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 2: we love, you know, especially if we're not working anymore,

567
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 2: or we're working less. We've got more time on our hands,

568
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 2: maybe more money, less responsibility, if we've got families and things.

569
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 2: But I tell you what, like if you can make

570
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 2: a choice now to do something that challenges you within

571
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 2: what works for you, like as you said, like we're

572
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 2: not we're not lifting weights, as if our life depends

573
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 2: on it every single day. You'll get sick, you'll get injured,

574
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 2: you'll be too sore, you won't ever want to go back.

575
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 2: But find your place to start, or you will be

576
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 2: in a world of pain or a lot of regret

577
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 2: down the track if you don't have the muscle mass,

578
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 2: or you trip and you break a bone. And you know,

579
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 2: we know that the morbidity associated with a broken hip.

580
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 2: I think it's like a twelve month Within twelve months

581
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 2: of breaking hip, a lot of people die. It's frightening

582
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 2: and I just think I'm not going to be there.

583
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 2: I'm going to keep rocking up to CrossFit. I mean,

584
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 2: I had felt a little pop dead lifting. What day

585
00:31:54,040 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 2: is it? It's Thursday, Monday, and I'm like, oh crap, wow,

586
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 2: And you know I've had to adjust what anyway, it's

587
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 2: just irritated disc I'll be fine, But like I keep

588
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 2: just rocking up. I keep just showing up. And that's

589
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 2: what a lot of the women when we chat chat

590
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 2: chat during the day, we're like, we didn't feel like it.

591
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 2: We were too tired, you know, perimenopause, menopause, late nights, whatever.

592
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 2: Just keep showing up, do what you can. Keep the

593
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 2: consistency and then you reap the benefits of it. But man,

594
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 2: oh man, it frightens me to think of the people

595
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:34,959
Speaker 2: that are very comfortable now you know what life, you know,

596
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 2: the kind of the two parts life would go down,

597
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 2: you know, over the over the years and decades to come.

598
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 2: It's we've got control, now we've got to use it.

599
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. And one of the things I think about mums,

600
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: and I've thought this about and dad's too, but probably

601
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: more mums, is like, think of all the hard things

602
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: that mums do that really it's not fun, right, there's

603
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: so much shit you mums do. And yeah, fathers, but

604
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: we know that. I don't know if this is politically

605
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: correct or not, but like mums do a lot of

606
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: the heavy lifting. It is.

607
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 2: It's actually statistically accurate that statement.

608
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: Okay, so it seems like mums and I used to

609
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: think not just about mums, but dad's too. It's like,

610
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: like think about changing nappies, Like there's not much of

611
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: a less glamorous job that literally, I mean, what we're

612
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: doing is wiping shit, right, and cleaning up a human

613
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: after they've shat. I know it's discovered, but you think no,

614
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: But here's my point, right, who wants to do that nobody,

615
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: Like it's not like, oh wow, I hope I could,

616
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: but who but there's no mum that's going No, I'm

617
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: not doing that anymore. Fuck it. Like there are certain

618
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: things that are not pleasant, that are not fun that

619
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: we just do because in our brain or in our mindset,

620
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: there is no get out of jail card with that, Like,

621
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: this is just what I do. I feed my kids,

622
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: I clean my kids, I protect them, I look after them,

623
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: I do everything that and whether or not it's easy

624
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:11,280
Speaker 1: or hard is irrelevant because it's not optional. It's not optional.

625
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: Now imagine if we could take that mindset. It's not

626
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: optional to do things that for us were empowering and

627
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: transformative and would make us fucking awesome. But when it

628
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 1: comes to ourselves, we have this capacity and I'm generalizing everybody,

629
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: so this may not be you, but we have this

630
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,280
Speaker 1: you know, tendency or propensity to go. I'll start Monday,

631
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: which becomes fucking a three year internal dialogue. Then Monday

632
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: never comes. Yeah, because it's what we're really saying is

633
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: I'm not doing it now, and its perpetual soon Like

634
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: when mate, when soon? When sorry? Soon? It doesn't matter

635
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,919
Speaker 1: When I see some of my mates. It's never now,

636
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: it's always soon, and then I've had more, you know.

637
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: I had a friend of mine died last year. I

638
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Speaker 1: don't want to mention his name, but he died four

639
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Speaker 1: days after I saw him. He was very smart. We

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Speaker 1: had dinner. We used to have dinner once a month,

641
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: and I, yeah, I always worried about him because he

642
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: was one of those geniuses or genie that you and

643
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Speaker 1: I spoke about at the top of the show. And

644
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: he just never really looked after himself. And every time

645
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Speaker 1: I'd seen him, he looked unhealthier and unhealthier. I'm like, mate,

646
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Speaker 1: I love you, Please please do something. And yeah, we

647
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: had dinner. We used to catch up once a month

648
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Speaker 1: and I, yeah, I got a message three days later

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Speaker 1: or four days later, and yeah, And it's just like

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Speaker 1: And I've had many friends over the years who have

651
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Speaker 1: you know, some of them that's been unavoidable, of course,

652
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Speaker 1: But obviously when you're sixty one, there's been a lot

653
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Speaker 1: of people in your life who have died along the way. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would more than half of them. It's been somewhat

655
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Speaker 1: self induced, you know, And because of just twenty thirty

656
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Speaker 1: forty years of fucking terrible choices and behaviors and lifestyle

657
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Speaker 1: and and I just I don't want to say I

658
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: don't want to see that happen to anyone, like, let alone,

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Speaker 1: you know, the people I love, but just anyone like

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Speaker 1: because it's you know, and of course there's no guarantee

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Speaker 1: of anything, but you know, there's so much that we

662
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: can do to manage ourselves optimally if we can get

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Speaker 1: over our resistance to resistance.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sorry to hear about your mate, Craig. And

665
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Speaker 2: it's so it's so painful when it's avoidable, potentially avoidable,

666
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Speaker 2: it's it's painful anyway, you know that the old kind

667
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 2: of if not now when is a really good question

668
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 2: to ask, like, and you know, it's so easy to

669
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Speaker 2: go through the day kind of on autopilot, just kind

670
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 2: of doing the same things, going through the motions, and

671
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you know, you know, we're saying, oh,

672
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 2: it's a twenty to February, Oh where's the time gone?

673
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 2: The time flies when we are not able to bring

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Speaker 2: our attention to the present moment regularly. And something that's

675
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 2: hard to do and it is uncomfortable to do, is

676
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 2: to stop and reflect because we can busy ourselves all

677
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 2: day every day, we can do things for others. We

678
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 2: can you know, keep ourselves occupied and not have to

679
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 2: think about hard things. But in it, you know, five ten,

680
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Speaker 2: fifteen minutes set aside just to kind of reflect on, well,

681
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 2: what do I want and what decisions am I making

682
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Speaker 2: that I don't feel good about that I'd like to

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Speaker 2: make change with. You know, I know a lot of

684
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 2: people are giving up the booze, a lot of people

685
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Speaker 2: are making changes, you know, around their drinking habits, and

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I just look, I mean, gosh, I mean,

687
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Speaker 2: I'm you know, there are things that like I'm actually

688
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Speaker 2: seeing a nutritionist towards the end of this month because

689
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Speaker 2: I know I'm a vegetary, I'm a pescatarian, but I

690
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 2: don't eat the way I know I really need to

691
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Speaker 2: to really nourish myself because of what I don't eat.

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Speaker 2: And so I'm like, you know what, I'm fifty, I

693
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Speaker 2: really need to get on top of this, Like I can't.

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Speaker 2: It's you know, if not now when kind of thing.

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00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 2: And so I know what to do, and I know

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Speaker 2: I could, you know, I know what to do. I

697
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 2: just I think I just want to have accountability, be

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Speaker 2: responsible to someone, have someone to keep coming back to.

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Speaker 2: I also want to talk about supplementation and all of

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Speaker 2: those sorts of things. But yeah, I really like that

701
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 2: we've been able to talk about this today because I

702
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Speaker 2: hope that this might just be the episode where there's

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Speaker 2: a listener going right, that's me. I'll put my hand up.

704
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 2: We can all put a hand up and say, look,

705
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Speaker 2: you know, there's something I'd like to do differently, but

706
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 2: we can't keep putting it off. We just have to

707
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 2: add it in. Start small. But we have to know

708
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Speaker 2: where we want to start first, and once you've kind

709
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Speaker 2: of got a good understanding of why that's important to you,

710
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 2: not for other people, not because you want to put

711
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 2: it on social media, not because it sounds impressive. What

712
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 2: do you want to do for you that will help

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00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 2: fulfill something that's missing in your life. I hope that

714
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Speaker 2: this is the episode that really makes a difference. And

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Speaker 2: I hope too that when it does make a difference,

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Speaker 2: that your DM harps and let him know.

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Speaker 1: Better than that. Go to the U Project Facebook group

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Speaker 1: and leave me a message in there. Do that, yes,

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Speaker 1: because I don't always check my dms, and I think

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Speaker 1: you know what's interesting is I told you about the

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Speaker 1: seven day kickstart, right, So I wanted to do this

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Speaker 1: thing for this very reason, just to help people create

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Speaker 1: a bit of momentum, because sometimes it's just hard to

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Speaker 1: get started. And I fully acknowledge that. I'm like, all right,

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Speaker 1: well let me help, and let me help in a

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Speaker 1: practical way. What is interesting is we had I'm not

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Speaker 1: exactly sure, but it's around three hundred people go, right,

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Speaker 1: I'm in seven days, I'm in, I'm doing it. And

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Speaker 1: I would say in the seven days, one hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty people dropped off. Now think about think about that.

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Speaker 1: Maybe a little less, but yeah, I find and by

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Speaker 1: the way, there's no criticism. This is just not this

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Speaker 1: is what fascinates me. Like, I am curious. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: here's a guy that you follow because the only way

735
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Speaker 1: that you got involved is because you follow me. You

736
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Speaker 1: choose to listen to me and read me and follow me.

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Speaker 1: And then and you listen to me. I guess because

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Speaker 1: you want to think do be better on some level,

739
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 1: because I'm a personal development, human behavior, self helpy psychology guy. Right,

740
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Speaker 1: So I'm guessing you listen not because I'm fucking hilarious.

741
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 1: Although that's a good reason because I'm fucking out there

742
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: just kidding, but because people want to change in some way.

743
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,439
Speaker 1: So then you go, all right, well, here's the thing

744
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: you can get involved in. It's not hard. It's not hard.

745
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: There's fifteen different options. Some of them are physical, some

746
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: of them are not. You don't need to leave home,

747
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: you don't need to be a bloody astrophysicist to figure

748
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Speaker 1: it out. And some of them you can do as

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Speaker 1: little as three minutes a day. There's fourteen hundred and

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Speaker 1: forty minutes in a day. You can do as little

751
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Speaker 1: as three minutes a day. Some of them are up

752
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: to an hour or more. It's up to you. But

753
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 1: it's all optional. And three hundred or so people when

754
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: I'm in I'm doing it, and then you're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: less than half, Like we're probably about one fifty give

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Speaker 1: or take. We'll sign in today. Today's the last day

757
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: of the is it today? Yeah? Thursday is the last day,

758
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 1: day seven of the seven, right, So the deal is

759
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 1: every day. People who've done it, Jody, they go to

760
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 1: the page, so you project Facebook page, and they underneath

761
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Speaker 1: the post where I've got a basically a white board

762
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: drawing that says day one, day, two day, whatever, So

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Speaker 1: up today as day seven. Check in underneath that they

764
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: just put at the very least they write completed. That's

765
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Speaker 1: their accountability. And then if they want they can write

766
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Speaker 1: what they learned or what they did or ask someone

767
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Speaker 1: else a question. And we've literally gone from three hundred

768
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Speaker 1: to one fifty in a week. And so this is

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is the thing. And like I said,

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Speaker 1: no judgment there everybody. That's just data. That's not an opinion,

771
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: that's data. So for me, it is wow, what has

772
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 1: to happen. The program's free, The program's easy. Every day

773
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: there's a video from me that's also free, where there's information, inspiration,

774
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: education every day. There's a program that honestly takes me

775
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Speaker 1: about an hour to design the day before because I

776
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,720
Speaker 1: need to really think it through because such a broad

777
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: cross section of humans involved. Yeah, I mean this is

778
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Speaker 1: the thing that I don't think the challenge for you

779
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 1: or I mean your job and my job in a

780
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: way is educate, in form inspire. Maybe and this is

781
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: going to sound really like I'm throwing you and me

782
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 1: under the bus, But it's not the key. Like it's

783
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: not the key, because if it was the key. People

784
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: would only need to listen or read once and they'd

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Speaker 1: be fucking doing it. What fascinates me is not can

786
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: I talk well? Can I share good ideas and stories?

787
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: Because I can do that. I don't think I'm the best,

788
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,439
Speaker 1: but I can do it. What fascinates me is how

789
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: the fuck do I help people to genuinely help themselves

790
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: and to stop being the person who's perpetually saying either

791
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: literally or metaphorically, not now but soon. That's the you know,

792
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: It's like, have a look think about in the last

793
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Speaker 1: twenty years. I'll shut up after this and let you talk.

794
00:43:55,520 --> 00:44:00,040
Speaker 1: How much has obesity and overweight and poor health and

795
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: and all you know, diabetes and blood pressure and insulin

796
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: resistance and all of those things has gone through the

797
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: roof at the same time as has research and information

798
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: and education and weight loss books and fat loss books

799
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: and nutrition and ex like, we've got more information and

800
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: education and research than ever and more people like you

801
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: and me like voices crying in the wilderness. Yet things

802
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,240
Speaker 1: aren't going backwards. And if I was really throwing myself

803
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: under the bus, I would put up my hand and

804
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 1: I will and go, hey, everyone, I'm not the fucking answer.

805
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: And I'm going to say at the same time, you

806
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 1: are the answer. On planet you, you are the problem

807
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,959
Speaker 1: and you are the solution because only you can get

808
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 1: in your way. Yes, there'll be other variables, I get that,

809
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 1: but beyond that, like nobody's making you stay in bed,

810
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: nobody's making you eat cake, nobody's making you have a

811
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: good or a bad attitude. Nobody's making you avoid that

812
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: decision or make that decision. Nobody's making you go to

813
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: the gym or avoid the gym. Right, Like, ultimately, how

814
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: do you I mean, I know you don't have an

815
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Speaker 1: answer because I don't know. Maybe you do. Like what

816
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Speaker 1: happens next after all the information and inspiration?

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Speaker 2: I think that it's got to come. I mean, it's

818
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Speaker 2: it's easy for us all to be inspired. And I

819
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 2: know I hear you, you know, when we've spoken at

820
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 2: your events together, and I hear you sort of saying,

821
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Speaker 2: so many of you will hear all this and you'll

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Speaker 2: be inspired, but you won't do anything. You won't make

823
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Speaker 2: any change, you know, And that's that's just the that's

824
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 2: just the way that often this kind of format of

825
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 2: information lands for people they're inspired. Yes, I want that,

826
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Speaker 2: absolutely but at the end of the day, there's no

827
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Speaker 2: one coming to check the scoresheet, there's no one coming

828
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 2: to check your homework. There's there's it comes. It comes

829
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 2: down to an intrinsic motivation. But I think we all

830
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 2: need to have a reason. We all need to look

831
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 2: for and find and name the reason for making change.

832
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 2: But you know, we also know, Craig, that some people

833
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 2: will have a terminal diagnosis and can be told you

834
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 2: drink another drop of alcohol, your liver is gone. You

835
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 2: don't give up smoking, you don't change your diet. If

836
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Speaker 2: you don't do these things. These are the things you

837
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 2: can do, and this will prolong your life. You'll be healthier,

838
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 2: you'll be happy, you might even you know, live an

839
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 2: indefinite amount of time. People still won't make change. It

840
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 2: is perplexing. But we can only look at this through

841
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 2: the lens that we each have. And that's a product

842
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 2: of our upbringing, the way we've been raised, the way

843
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 2: we've been taught to look at the world, and the

844
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 2: way we've been to ought to think, and our experiences.

845
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 2: And I think just some some people just feel hopeless.

846
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Speaker 2: And I think because it takes time, you know, I

847
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:15,320
Speaker 2: think I think of the person who is really struggling

848
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 2: with their weight. And I did work on a when

849
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 2: I was an exercise physiologist, I worked on the Phoenix program.

850
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 2: I was the lead x FIZZ for a group of

851
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 2: twelve people who were obese and was supported with x

852
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 2: FIZZ with psychology with the doctor dietitian all all of

853
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 2: the pieces of kind of like the weight loss puzzle

854
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 2: that was fully supported and well connected with us, and

855
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 2: we spent a lot of time together. And I remember

856
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 2: one of the participants telling me how and she'd she'd

857
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 2: been a victim of sexual abuse. She she had a

858
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 2: self loathing, a really you know, a really really difficult life,

859
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 2: and you know, she said she'd sometimes go and she'd

860
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 2: buy all of these things at the market that would

861
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 2: you add to the weight problem. But she'd thrown a

862
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 2: nice berg lettuce to kind of as if to kind

863
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 2: of say to the person at the register, Hey, I

864
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 2: still do eat some healthy food, because it was just

865
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 2: so embarrassing to have to purchase it. And she shared

866
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,280
Speaker 2: a lot of the challenges that she was facing around

867
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 2: even just wiping herself when she would go to the toilet,

868
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 2: tying her shoelaces, having sex, all sorts, of things that

869
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 2: were really challenging in a really big body, and the

870
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 2: thing about going from there to a healthier place, it

871
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 2: takes a lot of work and it takes a lot

872
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 2: of time, and it's hard to kind of see the

873
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 2: progress and get that reward for the effort. And you know,

874
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 2: I think that that's one of the things. And when

875
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 2: I used to work as a pet, I'd say, look,

876
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 2: you know, I'd get it. They wouldn't think I would

877
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 2: get it because I was always in a very you know,

878
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,879
Speaker 2: ectomorphic kind of body. But it takes a long time

879
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 2: for it to come on. It's going to take a

880
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 2: long time for it to come off. And want it

881
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 2: to be sustainable, but sometimes I think it it's just

882
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 2: this idea that you can't compete yourself yesterday to today,

883
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 2: when you've gone for a walk or you've changed. It's

884
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 2: got to be about the long game. And we're in

885
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 2: a life in an environment where we just want those

886
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 2: quick rewards. Everything's at our fingertips and we want that

887
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 2: quick kind of feel good reinforcement. And you know, there's

888
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 2: so many factors that do kind of roll into these challenges,

889
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 2: but you know in my mind that there's some of them.

890
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you make really valid points, like the you

891
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,760
Speaker 1: know that the person who's been a victim of sexual

892
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: assault who they simultaneously want to get in shape but

893
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: also not be attractive, you know sometimes because if I'm attractive,

894
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 1: then I'm going to be vulnerable and I'm maybe going

895
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,479
Speaker 1: to be hurt, and so there's this dichotomy, there's these

896
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 1: conflicting kind of feelings and goals. Yeah, that is you

897
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,399
Speaker 1: make a really valid point. And this is I mean,

898
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:04,280
Speaker 1: it's complicated. It's complicated. Like when I go one hundred

899
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 1: and fifty people jumped out, I'm not saying they're bad

900
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: or weak. I'm saying I'm interested in that. I'm curious,

901
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 1: you know, and that Yeah, look, I think sometimes for

902
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: whatever reason, like and even I mean, at the risk

903
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: of me banging on about me, but everyone knows, like

904
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 1: I was in there out of shape until I was

905
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 1: about thirty five, and I already owned three gyms, four

906
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: gym by the time I was and I was still

907
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 1: eating shits and lying about and you know, like like

908
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 1: a little bloody squirrel just heading off with my I

909
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: was going to say, my nuts, that sounds bad, heading

910
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 1: off with my whatever at my little snacks that I

911
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: wouldn't let people see because I didn't want people to

912
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: know what was really going on. And what was really

913
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: going on was I was eating shit that I would

914
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: tell other people not to eat because I didn't have

915
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 1: I didn't have it together, you know. So it is

916
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 1: indeed complicated and multi dimensional. It's emotional, it's psychological, it's

917
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: it's physiological. I feel this was I don't know if

918
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,760
Speaker 1: we helped anyone, but I feel I was really interested

919
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: in this chat.

920
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 2: Me too, and I think I think, I think this

921
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 2: will be really helpful. I genuinely do I think that.

922
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 2: I mean, I always sort of think it's really it's

923
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 2: really nice that you don't feel alone, you don't feel

924
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 2: alone on this battle. And there'll be people listening like that,

925
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 2: they'll be listenings going, oh yeah, I'm the one of

926
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 2: the ones that didn't check in. I didn't I didn't

927
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 2: complete the challenge. And if nothing else, like awareness is

928
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 2: the first awareness is the first step to change. Just

929
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 2: even just reflect what, Okay, you've pulled out of the challenge,

930
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 2: no judgment, just reflect on why why did you start? What?

931
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 2: What what were you hoping to get out of it?

932
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 2: Why did you stop? You know, I recently made a

933
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 2: change Craig. My boys play cricket. My husband and my

934
00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 2: son play cricket, and every Saturday I was kind of like,

935
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 2: and at daughter is off and off socializing and things.

936
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 2: And because I'm running the house, doing all the uber

937
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 2: driving for the kids and sort of juggling a lot

938
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 2: of balls. There's a lot of women listening, will understand,

939
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 2: plus running my own business and all of that, I

940
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 2: was using Saturday to catch up on work, right, And

941
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 2: I thought, then it just occurred to me. I didn't

942
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 2: realize a couple of weeks ago he was in a

943
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 2: final and I was like, really felt so much regret

944
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 2: that I wasn't there, And I thought, what am I doing?

945
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 2: Like the work can wait. He's sixteen, he's an adult,

946
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 2: He's eighteen next May. I don't have that much, you know,

947
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 2: I've got one more main summer with him, probably before

948
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 2: he's driving. And like my motivation, even though like it

949
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 2: helps me catch up, I get more of my ducks

950
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 2: in the same pond, never in a row, but I

951
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,240
Speaker 2: kind of it does help me. But I'm like, what's

952
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 2: more important here? And I think sometimes if we can

953
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 2: face the reality of the situation and the decisions, like

954
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 2: I thought, I don't feel good about this at all.

955
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 2: I feel pretty shit about this actually, because my parents

956
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,720
Speaker 2: are always at my sport. Peter is at his own game,

957
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 2: but our son is at a different field because they

958
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 2: play separately. So I'm thinking, oh, the boys are at

959
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 2: cricket together, but they're not. And so I mean I

960
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,760
Speaker 2: sat in my I took the dog for a huge

961
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 2: walk and then sat in my car watching a game

962
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago for three hours and he

963
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 2: didn't even get a bat. So I sat there for

964
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 2: three hours and didn't get to see. But I'm like,

965
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 2: you know what, I Sometimes we have to make sacrifices.

966
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 2: We have to think, right, what can I let go

967
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 2: of to make room for something else? Because what if

968
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 2: I was to put it in a hierarchy, what is

969
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 2: more important? And so perhaps I do think. I do

970
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 2: think it's been such a good conversation and it's got

971
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 2: you and I thinking, and I think other people will

972
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 2: be reflecting in their own way as well.

973
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, I love it as you were talking well,

974
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 1: or you can add it at the end if you like.

975
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 1: But I was thinking about, you know, the people who

976
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,280
Speaker 1: jumped out and the people who didn't jump out, And again,

977
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 1: like Jodie said, there's no judgment, just love. Do the

978
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 1: next one. If you like or don't still love you,

979
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: still want you to be on board, if you want

980
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: to be on board. But I was thinking about I

981
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: have this little process when I'm when I'm going to

982
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: not do something, and my default question is is this

983
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: a reason or an excuse? Because I can't speak on

984
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:43,280
Speaker 1: behalf of you or anyone else, but at least fifty

985
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,720
Speaker 1: percent of the time in my life when I'm calling

986
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:49,959
Speaker 1: something a reason, it's not a reason. It's not it's

987
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: just me trying to because if something's a reason, then

988
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:56,240
Speaker 1: it's legit and I don't have to change it's legit.

989
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,439
Speaker 1: This is real. There's no way I could have done this.

990
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: It's not the you know. But then when I kind

991
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 1: of go, okay, am I kind of just bullshitting myself

992
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: to make myself feel better about what I'm not doing.

993
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if anyone else wants to use that,

994
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 1: but for me, it's a good litmus test to kind

995
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 1: of lean into that is and there's been times when

996
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: I couldn't. You know. It's like I spoke the other

997
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: day about there's a book that I really want to

998
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: write that's just sitting on my you know, the top

999
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 1: shelf in my brain or right up the back. But

1000
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: I just genuinely don't have time at the moment. I

1001
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:36,839
Speaker 1: want to write it, but I've got so many things

1002
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,959
Speaker 1: going on. So that's a reason. Like, hey, Craig, whilere

1003
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 1: you're doing a PhD and seven podcasts a week and

1004
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: two or three corporate gigs a week, and you know,

1005
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 1: looking after your parents who are in their mid eighties

1006
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,399
Speaker 1: and doing all these other things and training every day

1007
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,839
Speaker 1: for an hour and a half, it's probably writing a book.

1008
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: Is this is not the time? But there'll be a time.

1009
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1010
00:55:56,600 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 3: And there are other things where I'm like, you know, uh,

1011
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 3: you know, I should really I should have a conversation

1012
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 3: with that person, but oh, you know, I don't.

1013
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 1: I think that it might not be a good time

1014
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: or whatever, right, And it's bullshit because I just don't

1015
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 1: want to have some conversation. And I'm trying to rationalize

1016
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 1: to me and make me feel good about what I've

1017
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: already decided. Right, So I'm not the problem. Oh, I'm

1018
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 1: not the problem. This is just how it is. But

1019
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,839
Speaker 1: when I lean in and I go listen, put your

1020
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: ego to one side, put all that bullshit, all that

1021
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 1: you bullshit aside. You know that this is just an excuse.

1022
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 1: I just don't want to do it. And I'm trying

1023
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:45,240
Speaker 1: to explain to myself and anyone else who will listen,

1024
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 1: why this is not an excuse.

1025
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I think it's a really simple, easy to

1026
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 2: remember question we can all ask ourselves. Is it a

1027
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 2: reason or is it an excuse? Like you got me

1028
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:02,280
Speaker 2: thinking about my back, I'm like, I mean, I definitely

1029
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 2: have problems with my lumbar spine. At the moment, I'm like, well, no,

1030
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 2: I shouldn't be a CrossFit. I can't do the things

1031
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 2: I need to do a CrossFit CrossFit. That's a reason

1032
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 2: I'll be back next week. But it's I can still

1033
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 2: walk every day, which is what I've been doing. I

1034
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 2: can still walk. But yeah, there are so many other

1035
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 2: things where you know, you got me thinking too about Netflix.

1036
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 2: Like I love Netflix. I like, as an anxious person

1037
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 2: who's very busy, it is just my time to just

1038
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 2: switch off. It's very relaxing for me. I look forward

1039
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 2: to watching certain shows. But you know, when we think

1040
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 2: about the things that we also want to do, you know,

1041
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 2: sometimes there are places in our day where we can

1042
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 2: fit that one little extra thing in just by letting

1043
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 2: go of a little bit of something else. And I

1044
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 2: think that this all or nothing mentality can often get

1045
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 2: in the way as well, this idea that I can't

1046
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 2: go to the gym and do a class three times

1047
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 2: a week, I can't train ninety minutes a day lifting

1048
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 2: weights like Carps does. But when we kind of realize that,

1049
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 2: you know, it's we can start to alter the way

1050
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 2: we think about ourselves and how we see ourselves, our identity,

1051
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 2: just by doing something small consistently, and the idea of

1052
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:30,439
Speaker 2: you know, when I was fasting a couple of days

1053
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 2: a week, Craig and I'd go to CrossFit and I'd

1054
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 2: be just exhausted, and I wouldn't be able to perform well,

1055
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 2: and I was just not fueling myself properly, I don't think,

1056
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 2: and really struggling. And again, you know, I read online

1057
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 2: somewhere it might have even been Adam Grant said, the

1058
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 2: process of just showing up, even though you just don't

1059
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 2: feel like you've got much, just reinforces this identity. I'm

1060
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 2: a person who looks after myself. I'm a person who

1061
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 2: moves my body every day. And so I guess my

1062
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 2: invitation to anyone listening is think of that big thing.

1063
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 2: Nothing big is achieved in a day, but like you

1064
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 2: and your PhD and man, I'm looking forward to our

1065
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 2: celebration when you hand that thing in such a good feeling,

1066
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 2: hand over those thess, over that counter, leather bound. It's

1067
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 2: going to be a really big moment. Craig. It's like

1068
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 2: it is. The time will pass anyway. We've both said

1069
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 2: that before. You're going to be sixty one, doctor Craig Harper,

1070
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 2: and you would have been sixty one anyway. I mean

1071
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 2: you are sixty one anyway, So think about it. Set

1072
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 2: aside some time to reflect, think what is it I'm

1073
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 2: putting off? Why am I doing it? Isn't an excuse?

1074
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 2: Is it a reason? And how small can I start?

1075
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 2: Break it down? If the first step feels too big,

1076
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 2: break it down? Yeah, I'm excited. I'm excited for listeners, Craig,

1077
00:59:56,480 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 2: because I think this is really it's really a conversation

1078
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 2: worth having. Wasn't what we planned on talking about today,

1079
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 2: But I'm so glad we landed here.

1080
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 1: Wasn't It wasn't. Now I've got I'm not going to

1081
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 1: open the door, and but I know what I want

1082
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 1: to talk to you about next time. Right. So you

1083
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 1: were just talking about lying on your ass watching Netflix.

1084
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 1: Me too, fucking love it. It's like it's like my

1085
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 1: little happy place. I can. I don't know why, but

1086
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 1: I have an amazing ability listen to me pumping up

1087
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 1: my own tires to just switch off from everything. Because

1088
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 1: my office is next door to my bedroom, I could

1089
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 1: go in. And also, like yesterday, I got up at

1090
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 1: three thirty, right, I started work at three thirty, so,

1091
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 1: and I finished last night at maybe eight thirty, right,

1092
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:46,439
Speaker 1: But I do you know, But then there'll be times

1093
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 1: where I go, oh, it's one o'clock. I'm going to

1094
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 1: lie in my bed for an hour and watch something stupid.

1095
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:55,919
Speaker 1: But I can because I've already worked six seven, eight hours. Right.

1096
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 1: But I did a podcast a few weeks ago which

1097
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 1: I think is a night that you will like to

1098
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 1: lean into. And the title of the podcast was an

1099
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 1: Unambitious Life. I feel like we're all just pushed with

1100
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 1: ambition and drive and crushing and grinding and killing, and

1101
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 1: like does that equal better? Does that equal happy? Which

1102
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 1: is what we're going to talk about. Does that equal

1103
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 1: fulfillment and my speculation, my theory, your honor is that no,

1104
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 1: often not sometimes, But like, I think it's good to

1105
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 1: have goals and a dream and all of those things.

1106
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 1: But I also think sometimes you go, you know, what

1107
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 1: what if this year? What if this month I'm just

1108
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:46,919
Speaker 1: in autopilot? What if this month I'm just like, I'm

1109
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 1: not fucking striving and grinding and hustling, and I'm not

1110
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 1: ambitious and I'm not killing it. And what if I'm

1111
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 1: just fucking grateful. What if I'm just in the middle

1112
01:01:56,680 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 1: of my really good life and my really good relations chips.

1113
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 1: What if I'm just like just bobbing up and down

1114
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 1: like a little fucking thing on the water and I'm good, Like,

1115
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 1: what if I don't have to swim like a motherfucker

1116
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 1: for the next wave. What if I just fucking bob

1117
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 1: up and down here? So let's talk about the unambitious

1118
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 1: life or that next time.

1119
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't mind a bit of bobbing, I tell you.

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01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, too much. Chasing the waves, Dr Jodie, where can

1121
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 1: people find you? Follow you? What's your home address and

1122
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 1: your personal phone?

1123
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 3: Up?

1124
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 2: A look, Craig, always an absolute pleasure LinkedIn Dr Jody

1125
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 2: Richardson Instagram Dr Jodi Richardson, and of course the website

1126
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 2: is the same Jody with an Eye. I heard people

1127
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 2: talking the other day on the Light Craig on Lucy

1128
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 2: and Cowe. We're talking about Jodi being a very old

1129
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 2: fashioned name. I can't stop thinking about that every time

1130
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 2: I say it. But that's the I was given and

1131
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 2: that's where you'll find me.

1132
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 1: Well, it definitely doesn't rate compared with Craig, so it

1133
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 1: could have been worse. And also Jody has our own podcast.

1134
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 1: It's called well Hello Anxiety, so have a listen to that.

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01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 1: It's very good. Jod's love your guards. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: As always, Thanks Craig, see you next time.