WEBVTT - #452 From Adversity to Advocacy: Jo Cooper’s Inspirational Legal Triumph 0:00:04.960 --> 0:00:09.639 Welcome to the Mentor. I'm Mark Boris, Joe Cooper, Welcome 0:00:09.640 --> 0:00:11.000 to the Mentor. Thanks for having me. 0:00:11.560 --> 0:00:13.119 And I've seen you around for a long long time 0:00:13.160 --> 0:00:16.080 in the coffee shop next door. You're nearly a fixture 0:00:16.120 --> 0:00:16.599 in that joint. 0:00:16.680 --> 0:00:18.200 I am. Theyre my cheers squad. 0:00:19.520 --> 0:00:20.600 That's good to have a cheer squad. 0:00:20.640 --> 0:00:24.200 And you're obviously a local, I am and local being 0:00:24.280 --> 0:00:27.200 local and Darlinghurst, correct, which is where our studios are, 0:00:27.200 --> 0:00:28.960 which is where the coffee shop is, and where you 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:32.760 also happen to live. And you live in a very 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:35.520 famous building here in Sydney, in East Sydney. 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:37.040 I guess. 0:00:37.640 --> 0:00:40.159 I think it's technically East Sydney, which is sort of 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:43.840 very close to the city we're talking, you know, about 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:45.199 a kilometer and a half. I know, it takes me 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:49.040 twenty minutes to walk from our studios into my office 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:52.120 in Chiffley, so it's about a kilometer. 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:52.320 And a half. 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:54.080 Maybe a little bit more than that, maybe one point 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:55.880 seven kilometers, because often do it. 0:00:55.880 --> 0:00:57.360 I'll put my backpack and I'll walk in. 0:00:57.440 --> 0:00:59.600 It's convenient and I walk back. Yeah it is. 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:02.440 And so the building you live in is what's called. 0:01:02.240 --> 0:01:05.200 What it's called the Horizon Horizon building, and a very 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:07.520 famous architect built that or design that, I. 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:09.840 Should say, his name was Harry Sideline. 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:12.800 Harry's Sideline Harry. And Harry Sidler's not with us anymore, 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:13.080 is he. 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:16.520 No, he's not, but his legacy lives on and so 0:01:16.560 --> 0:01:17.280 this building is. 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:22.200 And I should also say that you've created a movement 0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:24.160 called the Good Warrior, and we're going to talk about that. 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:27.520 You do have a day job. What is let's call 0:01:27.520 --> 0:01:29.959 it your day job. Maybe's probably not job, but your 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:30.680 day night job. 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:33.119 At the moment, it's a bit of a it's a mix. 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:36.679 So my backgrounds in project was in project management. I 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:40.040 left that to pursue music and then I came up 0:01:40.080 --> 0:01:43.440 against a bit of a battle and that took over 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:45.319 my life for a solid time. 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:48.560 I came back to do music and then I created 0:01:48.560 --> 0:01:49.120 the Good Warrior. 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:51.320 So the Good Worry is pretty much a mix of 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:52.440 advocacy and the arts. 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:55.880 So maybe you could just give me an outline. What 0:01:56.040 --> 0:01:58.600 is the Good Warrior as a business model? 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:03.160 Business model? So it's an initiative. I call it a 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:04.080 social enterprise. 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:08.920 It's a company that is created to inspire and educate 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:13.280 people on how to no longer be silent bystanders. It's 0:02:13.280 --> 0:02:17.920 all about bullying, abuse of power, a place that I 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:21.120 actually needed when I was going through a really hard time. 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:27.040 My aim is to inspire and change culture, so to 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:31.840 create a safety space which then equates to trust and 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:36.520 hopefully then justice. So it's keynotes, it's workshops, it's art, 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:39.960 some music, so storytelling to convey a very strong message. 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:43.799 And where did this all come from? I know we 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:45.280 won't talk about the battle you had. 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:46.639 Yes, that's a long one. 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:48.800 Your body corporate, I guess it was. 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:53.040 Yeah, probably the counsel, et cetera. But where. 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:58.400 Take me back? Like, have you suffered let's call it 0:02:58.440 --> 0:02:59.440 bullying in the past. 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:04.160 So my very first relationship ended up in a very 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:06.720 abusive situation which saw me in hospital. 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:08.680 And I remember, I. 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:09.280 Tell you. 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:13.760 Eighteen, Yeah it was. 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:19.000 It was a shock male male who was like I think, 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:23.000 three times the size of me, and he pushed me 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:27.120 out of a car, was holding onto my wrist and 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:30.120 drove off with me for a little bit and then threw. 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:33.720 Me out, dragged you along, dragged me out, And for me, 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:34.960 that moment. 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:39.280 Sort of connects to now in a way because what 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:42.480 stuck struck me the most at that moment was the 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:46.440 people just staring at me. Nobody coming up to see 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:48.640 if I was okay. They were just staring at me. 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:51.880 And I hate blood, and I was bleeding and I 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:54.720 usually pass out. I was so fixated on the fact 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:57.600 that nobody was coming to help me that I didn't 0:03:57.640 --> 0:04:00.600 even notice the blood, and so by a stair culture 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:03.480 for me started then, because I know I'm very old. 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:06.880 Culture that's a good term. So, yeah, you're right, because 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:09.800 people do you think bisentic culture is about people not 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:12.600 knowing what to do, or they're just gorking and don't 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:15.840 want to do something, or don't want to get involved, 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:18.919 they get scared themselves, or what do you reckon that is? 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:21.320 It's a mix of all of that. So there's fear 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:26.719 not knowing what to do. Also, if there's other people 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:29.880 around you, they think somebody else will jump in, right, 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:32.440 so I'll just stay back because yeah, it's not my job, 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:33.960 it's not my place, it's not my business. 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:37.520 You know. We also have apathy with bystanders. 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:41.360 You know, they may think it's wrong, but they're still 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:44.640 gonna h don't have the time, And I get all 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:48.000 of that, but it's a numbers game. You know, we 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:50.760 talk about bullying and abuse of power so much now 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:54.320 it's increasing, it's not decreasing, And the only way to 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:57.480 take power away from those who abuse it is to 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:00.480 call it out, is to take away their anonymity and 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:04.600 call them out early, because they rely on people being 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:06.720 silent to continue doing what they do, what they're doing 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:08.360 because nobody's holding them accountable. 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:13.839 So are you saying then that in terms of your observations, 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:19.000 that sort of beyond bullying. I think it's sort of like, 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:22.360 as you said, abuse of power a power so instead 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:30.320 of a structural issue that exists that within establishments, whether 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:37.599 it be government, absolutely, power bases in organizations, body corporates, 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:40.960 in a building with lots of people issue, do you 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:45.760 think that people are going out and building power bases 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:48.840 in these environments and, as you say, remain anonymous, so 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:52.840 they're faceless, and they're not they're not elected officials, so 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:54.160 no one has really elected them. 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:55.240 They have appointed themselves. 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:57.400 Do you think people are actually going out building these 0:05:57.400 --> 0:06:02.600 power bases in order to exercise that power or do 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:04.520 you think that they go into these positions and they 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:06.680 all of a sudden they realize that the power and 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:10.159 then they just enjoy saying no, yes, or whatever the 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:12.280 case may be. I mean, what's going on in these 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:14.640 individuals and why are they doing it? 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:20.200 Look, I do believe there are people out there that 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:22.760 just thrive or making other people's lives miserable. 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:24.600 And are they like professional winges. 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:28.440 I mean yes, yes, they're insecure. Like, let's just put 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:29.000 that out there. 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:32.320 This is how I get through it because some days 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:36.640 really hard, you know. I definitely I consider myself pretty tough, 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:40.039 but I'm also human and some days were really hard, 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:42.600 and you you know, I just had to remind myself. 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:44.159 These people are. 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:49.839 So insecure that they've created this mob, you know, because 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:52.680 it's all about just bringing people in, telling them a 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:56.400 few lies, giving them a bit of hate campaign material. 0:06:56.680 --> 0:06:59.520 You know, this woman is bad. Half the people that 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:02.440 hate me more have never spoken to me. They don't 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:05.560 know me, And to me, that's I feel sad and 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:08.600 embarrassed for them, because you're not exercising any. 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:11.120 Individual thought program judgment, no judgment. 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:14.320 It's a hard mentality and they do thrive on it. 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:18.520 Because I can tell you I have a few Facebook pages. 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:21.960 Around bullying and strata and pets and strata and the 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:22.560 good Warrior. 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:27.040 I have more people in my personal dms than on 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:30.679 the pages and the reason is scared. Yep, fear. 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:32.240 Yeah. 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:35.000 I will every now and then and say hi, guys, 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:36.800 I really can't keep up with the messages. 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:37.280 Please. 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:40.840 You know you can post anonymously, but just keep it 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:44.120 in one space for me. They won't do it, somebody might, 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:45.880 you know, put two and two together. 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:47.280 There is a real fear base. 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:50.520 There is a real issue body corporates are they refer 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:53.880 to themselves as the fourth tier of government? For goodness sake, Wow, 0:07:54.240 --> 0:08:00.000 that they actually that. I've had letters from other committee 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:03.480 members in other buildings who I've never met, slagging me 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:07.480 off and referring to themselves as the fourth tier of government. 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:08.760 I should know better. 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:10.760 So they're there to govern, they take the vie. They're 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:11.720 there to govern the building. 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:15.400 Well, it's more of a dictatorship more than governing. And 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:18.040 you know, when I don't know, when it comes to 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:20.760 government and councils, they have a big role to play 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:25.600 because when we have elected officials and local so called 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:29.640 independent MPs who are being influenced by stakeholders committee members, 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:33.839 you know, in ways of no stroking their egos, hosting fundraisers, 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:38.560 they volunteer for them, then representation of all constituents. Truly, 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:42.080 it becomes elusive, and it's a tale as old as time. 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:42.640 I get it. 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:45.360 But in a time where we're being told and guaranteed 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:48.760 almost that we have heavy governance and regulations, these things 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:50.120 shouldn't be happening, and they are. 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:51.320 They absolutely are. 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:54.120 I mean, I don't want to talk about my own 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:58.079 experiences experiences with these sort of issues, but they sort 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:02.600 of sit around the governments. But I think we probably 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:04.800 should get to the nitty gritty of all this. So 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:11.480 you're living in the building and you decided you did 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:13.800 you make an application to have a pet? 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:14.800 So what happened? 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:17.439 I moved in, I was told by the real estate 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:19.840 at some point before we had settled that it wasn't 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:21.839 pet friendly. And that was a shock to me because 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:25.240 I said to them, that's impossible. I visit people that 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:29.480 have pets in this building, So me honestly thinking that 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:31.679 it was an outdated by law. And so one thing 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:33.520 that I really took exception two is I was made 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:35.319 out to be this malicious, evil woman. 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:36.880 So can we just go back a bit job. 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:40.600 So you bought the property exchange property? No one said 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:42.480 it was not pet friendly, etcetera. 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:45.800 Just before we settled, we did find out. 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:48.120 So the agent told is not pet friendly? Did you 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:51.040 ask or did you say? Bring my dog is another cat? 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:52.040 Will be talking about it as a dog. 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:58.480 He was a little Angus Schnauzerazer. 0:09:56.520 --> 0:09:58.839 So it's not a big german chep nine kilos was 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:01.280 on nine kilo. Okay, so we've got a small dog. 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:01.720 Small dog. 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:04.880 I mentioned the dog. I mentioned Angus. I mentioned the name, 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:06.760 and the real estate agent said, no, I didn't know 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:07.360 you had children. 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:09.160 I said I don't. I said I have a dog, 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:11.880 and he said, no dog's allowed in here. And that's 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:13.000 how the conversation. 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:13.960 Started before you settled. 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:15.120 Before we settled, so. 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:17.240 Me and my husband had a really big chat about it. 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:19.800 The property ticked all the boxes we had been looking 0:10:19.840 --> 0:10:23.280 for ten months. Wasn't anything sinister? I said to Leo, 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:26.959 my husband, you know, what do you think? He said, 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:29.720 let's buy it. Angus was nine at the time. I'll 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:32.319 put in a submission. Leave Angus with my sister, because 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:34.160 you know, they got on like a house on fire, 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:37.680 and if that fails, we'll rent it out. We've still 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:40.120 bought a property we were interested in and we'll rent 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:40.680 somewhere else. 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:41.520 Not a problem. 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:45.480 Where it went wrong is when I asked the question 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:48.720 about a meeting that with an EGM that was upcoming, 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:55.400 and I Strata holders EGM. So yeah, general meeting. 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:57.120 A general meeting of the owners. 0:10:57.240 --> 0:11:01.800 Correct, sorry, and you were you are it's a legal 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:03.920 right that you submit a motion to change a bylak. 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:09.080 Nothing untoward. I was told to put my dog in 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:11.760 a bag and keep my mouth shut. 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:13.840 At the meeting before before the meeting, so they had 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:14.560 a dog in a bag. 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:21.280 So people the way for eighteen years that they transported 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:24.079 their pets in and out was in a backpack in a. 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:25.640 Trolley shopping trolley. 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:29.120 So when I found out sort of surreptitiously bringing yeah, 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:30.080 I'm thinking. 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:32.920 This is arbitrary, this is crazy. So we got grown 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:37.200 adults smuggling their pets in and I'm thinking this makes 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:40.000 no sense. So I said to them, surely, when they 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:43.280 finally got back to me, I said, surely this is 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:45.000 not mature behavior. 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:46.080 This is strata manager. 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:48.840 Yeah. The chair, the chair and the secretary chair of 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:50.920 the body corporate, of the body corporate. 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:53.680 So the chair and the secretary, and they were the 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:56.720 ones to basically tell me if I put the motion forward, 0:11:56.800 --> 0:11:58.319 I would potentially become a target. 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:02.680 And I don't know if this has come through. I 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:03.600 detest bullies. 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:06.680 I test them and I said to them, what do 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:08.080 you mean I will become a target? 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:08.880 Is that a threat? 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:13.160 No, it's just a fact. Okay, so you're aware there's 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:16.199 pets in the building. Oh yeah, there always has me. Okay, 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:18.199 I'm going to put that motion in because it's a 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:20.720 legal right. And I left it at that. A few 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:23.720 weeks after that, I was coming down the back gate. 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:26.680 A man opened the gate. I said, thank you. We 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:28.240 off the premises. 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:30.400 With all of that dog Angus was not in yet. Yep. 0:12:30.720 --> 0:12:32.040 I thought I was trying to do the right thing. 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:34.840 And he looks at me and he says, excuse me, 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:38.760 with utter disgust, looks me up and down, and I said, 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:42.800 oh yeah. He said, are you that person who's trying 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:48.600 to change our culture and community? And I said, are 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:51.800 you talking about I'm assuming you're talking about my motion 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:55.160 and the meeting hadn't happened yet something okay, words got 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:58.000 around and I said, yeah, that's me. I said, but 0:12:58.120 --> 0:12:59.880 I'm actually just trying to reflect the reality of. 0:12:59.840 --> 0:13:00.480 What going on. 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:07.600 Well, you see, we've rid ourselves of millionaires and you, 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:10.400 you stupid little brown girl, but you'll be gone in 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:10.760 a week. 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:13.080 Said that, He said that, What the hell? He said 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:13.800 it twice. 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:16.480 I can tell you like, I'm saying this to you now, 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:19.880 and my body right now is shaking because there was 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:28.360 this disc there was this disbelief, but also this anger, thinking, wow, 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:33.520 if this is the reaction to a simple question, there's 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:35.240 something major going on in this building. 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:38.560 The extent of the dog, the change of ocean, relation 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:41.520 to pet pets, or the motion to change the bilas 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:45.200 and relation to pets extended to calling you one stupid 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:48.960 two little yep, three brown brown girl or brown and 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:49.680 girl and girl. 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:51.800 Because it was never about pets. 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:54.360 Let's put that on the table. This was never about pets. 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:56.640 They knew there was pets in the building. They were 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:58.320 okay with pets in the building as long as you 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:00.720 put in a bag. This was not about This was 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:03.320 about abuse of power, pure and simple. 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:06.000 It was this individual on the body corporing. 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:09.560 It was a connection to the body corp. Yeah yeah, yeah, 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:11.760 so they have their they have their little clique. 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:15.280 Yeah yeah, I've been to that process. 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:17.600 And it's happening all not only in New South Wales. 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:20.840 I get messages from New Zealand nationwide. I got an 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:24.440 email from Canada a few months after I won my case. 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:28.800 It wasn't the easiest road to how'd you feel? 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:31.480 How did you feel then when that that, when you 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:34.920 were confronted with that that sentence and also, oh, that's 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:35.320 the traction. 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:44.880 Disgusted, really disgusted because discouraged. No, no, no, that that 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:48.800 was the moment. I can tell you I got over 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:51.120 the shakes. So I called my husband. He was working 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:52.080 in Darwin at the time. 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:53.840 I told him what was. 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:56.920 Happened, what had just happened, and I said to him, 0:14:57.280 --> 0:15:00.120 if these guys are so arrogant to take me on 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:02.240 a legal path, because there was already wind of that, 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:05.280 I said, I'll take this all the way, you know. 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:08.080 Excuse my language, I said, game on, motherfuckers. 0:15:07.800 --> 0:15:10.040 Totally hello, I'm glad. I mean, I don't know what 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:12.200 my response. I feel like punching him in there. I 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:13.640 didn't say would punch him in the head, for those 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:15.240 who are listening, but I said I would feel like 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:15.800 punching that. 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:17.479 I will constrain myself. 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:19.880 And can I tell you the most exhausting part about 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:23.560 all of this, The most exhausting was the restraint in 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:27.400 my response and my emotions, because I knew the moment 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:30.080 I responded, I was called that's bad. 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:30.360 Right. 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:32.920 I've been called low class. I've been physically assaulted by 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:36.160 a woman. I've been spat at, I've been called all 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:38.800 in sundry in this process, in this process, and until 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:41.240 now about please do nothing? 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:43.960 Yes, yep, but these are people who are supposed to 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:47.920 be you know, wealthy, wealthy people who I own, you know, 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:51.160 like high order people own absolutely something in a very 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:53.760 famous building, spend a lot of dough. They're probably professional 0:15:53.760 --> 0:15:57.600 people or at least got good incomes to afford these things. Yeah, 0:15:57.720 --> 0:16:01.240 that's that's like unbelievable, Like how could they be so 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:04.600 emotional to let their emotion and so reckless to allow 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:08.120 their emotions to run away from such a rage? 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:10.320 Well what about, though. 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:14.600 About this little person who they deem way beneath them, 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:17.800 having the guts to challenge them. So, if I take 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:21.680 it back to bullying and abuse of power, they rely 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:28.200 on intimidation, they rely on beating you down, and you go, ooh, 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:30.880 maybe I should You know, this is a bit too scary, 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:34.120 It's a bit much it's a strategy, and unfortunately I've 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:37.200 been there. I know what a narcissist is, I know 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:40.160 what a bully is. I've dating someone who I loved 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:43.000 who put me in hospital. I know the patterns, and 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:45.080 I really with the good warrior. Just going back to 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:47.040 that for a minute, something I teach in that is 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:50.800 the connection between repeated disrespect that leads to bullying, that 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:54.760 leads to domestic violence, or violence in general, that ultimately. 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:57.880 In a lot of cases, leads to tragedy because because 0:16:57.880 --> 0:17:02.240 what's happening is their brains getting rewarded correct continually for 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:06.679 their behavior correct And because it's. 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:09.320 Like in the case of bullying, end or abuse of power, 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:11.680 a lot of times it's behind the door, so as 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:13.359 it's also not seen. 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:14.160 It's not visible. 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:17.280 So I get away with what I do, which no 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:21.280 one can see anyway, and I get the outcome I want. Personally, 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:24.000 I want. So these are our personal opinions. Why wouldn't 0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:26.440 I just can't get my head around it. But why 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:31.040 wouldn't they want a little small dog, probably a cute 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:33.640 bit a small dog just living inside your apartment. It's 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:36.119 not like they're it's doing a crap in the hallway 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:36.840 or something like that. 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:39.680 You know, I just don't understand why wouldn't they want 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:40.880 a dog in the building. 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:42.600 Because it wasn't about the dog. It was the fact 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:46.200 that these people have never been challenged for eighteen. 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:46.919 How dare you challenge me? 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:51.440 How dare you? And who are you? You just moved in? 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:53.960 Yeah you're a newbie and you're a little brown girl. 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:56.639 Yeah you've got no long kre. You know the lady 0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:59.480 that called me low class, it couldn't be more cliche. 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:02.040 I had to laugh. She was wearing pearls and she 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:04.159 was actually touching them while she was calling me low class. 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:06.359 I have to do a funny story, not a funny story. 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:08.280 I had a similar experience and I won't say where, 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:12.719 but many many years ago, Like many years ago, I 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:17.240 bought a very expensive apartment in a pretty well known building, 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:19.480 but in. 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:19.880 Order to. 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:23.280 Part of their BiLaw system. 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:25.199 And it's a bit more complicated this, but I just 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:27.320 a simplified was that you had to go and have 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:32.480 an interview with the body corporate to buy to once 0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:34.960 you exchange to settle, because they could stop you from settling. 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:37.359 So I had to actually had to have an interview, 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:46.440 and it was twenty around twenty years ago anyway, so 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:48.119 I was much younger than them today. I was in 0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:51.720 my mid forties, and in those days I used to 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:55.119 everybody was wearing suits, and in those days, I used 0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:57.280 to wear a dark suit with a dark tie and 0:18:57.359 --> 0:18:59.240 a white shirt and pair of duck shoes. That was 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:00.760 my that was my dread because I was working in 0:19:00.840 --> 0:19:03.600 environed where I had to dress that way. So I 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:05.280 was asked coming for the interview. It was during the day, 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:07.199 coming for an interviews, so I came straight from my 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:13.200 work to the interview. And at that time, in terms 0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:17.760 of those sorts of clothes that was considered cool, I 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:20.119 didn't have a colored tie. I had the same colored 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:23.600