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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Mentor. I'm Mark Boris, Joe Cooper, Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Mentor. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: And I've seen you around for a long long time

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Speaker 2: in the coffee shop next door. You're nearly a fixture

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Speaker 2: in that joint.

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Speaker 1: I am. Theyre my cheers squad.

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Speaker 3: That's good to have a cheer squad.

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Speaker 2: And you're obviously a local, I am and local being

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Speaker 2: local and Darlinghurst, correct, which is where our studios are,

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Speaker 2: which is where the coffee shop is, and where you

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Speaker 2: also happen to live. And you live in a very

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Speaker 2: famous building here in Sydney, in East Sydney.

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Speaker 1: I guess.

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Speaker 2: I think it's technically East Sydney, which is sort of

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Speaker 2: very close to the city we're talking, you know, about

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Speaker 2: a kilometer and a half. I know, it takes me

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Speaker 2: twenty minutes to walk from our studios into my office

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Speaker 2: in Chiffley, so it's about a kilometer.

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Speaker 3: And a half.

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Speaker 2: Maybe a little bit more than that, maybe one point

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Speaker 2: seven kilometers, because often do it.

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Speaker 3: I'll put my backpack and I'll walk in.

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Speaker 1: It's convenient and I walk back. Yeah it is.

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Speaker 3: And so the building you live in is what's called.

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Speaker 2: What it's called the Horizon Horizon building, and a very

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Speaker 2: famous architect built that or design that, I.

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Speaker 1: Should say, his name was Harry Sideline.

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Speaker 2: Harry's Sideline Harry. And Harry Sidler's not with us anymore,

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Speaker 2: is he.

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Speaker 1: No, he's not, but his legacy lives on and so

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Speaker 1: this building is.

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Speaker 2: And I should also say that you've created a movement

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Speaker 2: called the Good Warrior, and we're going to talk about that.

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Speaker 2: You do have a day job. What is let's call

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Speaker 2: it your day job. Maybe's probably not job, but your

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Speaker 2: day night job.

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Speaker 4: At the moment, it's a bit of a it's a mix.

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Speaker 4: So my backgrounds in project was in project management. I

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Speaker 4: left that to pursue music and then I came up

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Speaker 4: against a bit of a battle and that took over

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Speaker 4: my life for a solid time.

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Speaker 1: I came back to do music and then I created

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Speaker 1: the Good Warrior.

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Speaker 4: So the Good Worry is pretty much a mix of

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Speaker 4: advocacy and the arts.

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Speaker 2: So maybe you could just give me an outline. What

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Speaker 2: is the Good Warrior as a business model?

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Speaker 1: Business model? So it's an initiative. I call it a

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Speaker 1: social enterprise.

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Speaker 4: It's a company that is created to inspire and educate

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Speaker 4: people on how to no longer be silent bystanders. It's

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Speaker 4: all about bullying, abuse of power, a place that I

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Speaker 4: actually needed when I was going through a really hard time.

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Speaker 4: My aim is to inspire and change culture, so to

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Speaker 4: create a safety space which then equates to trust and

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Speaker 4: hopefully then justice. So it's keynotes, it's workshops, it's art,

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Speaker 4: some music, so storytelling to convey a very strong message.

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Speaker 2: And where did this all come from? I know we

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Speaker 2: won't talk about the battle you had.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's a long one.

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Speaker 3: Your body corporate, I guess it was.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, probably the counsel, et cetera. But where.

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Speaker 2: Take me back? Like, have you suffered let's call it

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Speaker 2: bullying in the past.

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Speaker 4: So my very first relationship ended up in a very

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Speaker 4: abusive situation which saw me in hospital.

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Speaker 1: And I remember, I.

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Speaker 3: Tell you.

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Speaker 1: Eighteen, Yeah it was.

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Speaker 4: It was a shock male male who was like I think,

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Speaker 4: three times the size of me, and he pushed me

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Speaker 4: out of a car, was holding onto my wrist and

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Speaker 4: drove off with me for a little bit and then threw.

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Speaker 1: Me out, dragged you along, dragged me out, And for me,

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Speaker 1: that moment.

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Speaker 4: Sort of connects to now in a way because what

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Speaker 4: stuck struck me the most at that moment was the

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Speaker 4: people just staring at me. Nobody coming up to see

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Speaker 4: if I was okay. They were just staring at me.

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Speaker 4: And I hate blood, and I was bleeding and I

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Speaker 4: usually pass out. I was so fixated on the fact

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Speaker 4: even notice the blood, and so by a stair culture

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Speaker 4: for me started then, because I know I'm very old.

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Speaker 2: Culture that's a good term. So, yeah, you're right, because

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Speaker 2: people do you think bisentic culture is about people not

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Speaker 2: knowing what to do, or they're just gorking and don't

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Speaker 2: want to do something, or don't want to get involved,

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Speaker 2: they get scared themselves, or what do you reckon that is?

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Speaker 4: It's a mix of all of that. So there's fear

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Speaker 4: not knowing what to do. Also, if there's other people

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Speaker 4: around you, they think somebody else will jump in, right,

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Speaker 4: so I'll just stay back because yeah, it's not my job,

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Speaker 4: it's not my place, it's not my business.

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Speaker 1: You know. We also have apathy with bystanders.

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Speaker 4: You know, they may think it's wrong, but they're still

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Speaker 4: gonna h don't have the time, And I get all

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Speaker 4: of that, but it's a numbers game. You know, we

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Speaker 4: talk about bullying and abuse of power so much now

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Speaker 4: it's increasing, it's not decreasing, And the only way to

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Speaker 4: take power away from those who abuse it is to

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Speaker 4: call it out, is to take away their anonymity and

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Speaker 4: call them out early, because they rely on people being

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Speaker 4: silent to continue doing what they do, what they're doing

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Speaker 4: because nobody's holding them accountable.

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Speaker 2: So are you saying then that in terms of your observations,

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Speaker 2: that sort of beyond bullying. I think it's sort of like,

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Speaker 2: as you said, abuse of power a power so instead

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Speaker 2: of a structural issue that exists that within establishments, whether

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Speaker 2: it be government, absolutely, power bases in organizations, body corporates,

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Speaker 2: in a building with lots of people issue, do you

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Speaker 2: think that people are going out and building power bases

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Speaker 2: in these environments and, as you say, remain anonymous, so

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Speaker 2: they're faceless, and they're not they're not elected officials, so

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Speaker 2: no one has really elected them.

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Speaker 3: They have appointed themselves.

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Speaker 2: Do you think people are actually going out building these

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Speaker 2: power bases in order to exercise that power or do

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Speaker 2: you think that they go into these positions and they

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden they realize that the power and

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Speaker 2: then they just enjoy saying no, yes, or whatever the

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Speaker 2: case may be. I mean, what's going on in these

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Speaker 2: individuals and why are they doing it?

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Speaker 4: Look, I do believe there are people out there that

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Speaker 4: just thrive or making other people's lives miserable.

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Speaker 3: And are they like professional winges.

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Speaker 1: I mean yes, yes, they're insecure. Like, let's just put

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Speaker 1: that out there.

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Speaker 4: This is how I get through it because some days

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Speaker 4: really hard, you know. I definitely I consider myself pretty tough,

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Speaker 4: but I'm also human and some days were really hard,

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Speaker 4: and you you know, I just had to remind myself.

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Speaker 1: These people are.

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Speaker 4: So insecure that they've created this mob, you know, because

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Speaker 4: it's all about just bringing people in, telling them a

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Speaker 4: few lies, giving them a bit of hate campaign material.

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Speaker 4: You know, this woman is bad. Half the people that

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Speaker 4: hate me more have never spoken to me. They don't

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Speaker 4: know me, And to me, that's I feel sad and

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Speaker 4: embarrassed for them, because you're not exercising any.

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Speaker 1: Individual thought program judgment, no judgment.

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Speaker 4: It's a hard mentality and they do thrive on it.

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Speaker 4: Because I can tell you I have a few Facebook pages.

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Speaker 1: Around bullying and strata and pets and strata and the

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Speaker 1: good Warrior.

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Speaker 4: I have more people in my personal dms than on

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Speaker 4: the pages and the reason is scared. Yep, fear.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I will every now and then and say hi, guys,

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Speaker 4: I really can't keep up with the messages.

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Speaker 1: Please.

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Speaker 4: You know you can post anonymously, but just keep it

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Speaker 4: in one space for me. They won't do it, somebody might,

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Speaker 4: you know, put two and two together.

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Speaker 1: There is a real fear base.

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Speaker 4: There is a real issue body corporates are they refer

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Speaker 4: to themselves as the fourth tier of government? For goodness sake, Wow,

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Speaker 4: that they actually that. I've had letters from other committee

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Speaker 4: members in other buildings who I've never met, slagging me

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Speaker 4: off and referring to themselves as the fourth tier of government.

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Speaker 1: I should know better.

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Speaker 2: So they're there to govern, they take the vie. They're

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Speaker 2: there to govern the building.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's more of a dictatorship more than governing. And

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Speaker 4: you know, when I don't know, when it comes to

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Speaker 4: government and councils, they have a big role to play

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Speaker 4: because when we have elected officials and local so called

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Speaker 4: independent MPs who are being influenced by stakeholders committee members,

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Speaker 4: you know, in ways of no stroking their egos, hosting fundraisers,

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Speaker 4: they volunteer for them, then representation of all constituents. Truly,

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Speaker 4: it becomes elusive, and it's a tale as old as time.

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Speaker 1: I get it.

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Speaker 4: But in a time where we're being told and guaranteed

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Speaker 4: almost that we have heavy governance and regulations, these things

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Speaker 4: shouldn't be happening, and they are.

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Speaker 1: They absolutely are.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't want to talk about my own

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Speaker 2: experiences experiences with these sort of issues, but they sort

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Speaker 2: of sit around the governments. But I think we probably

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Speaker 2: should get to the nitty gritty of all this. So

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Speaker 2: you're living in the building and you decided you did

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Speaker 2: you make an application to have a pet?

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Speaker 1: So what happened?

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Speaker 4: I moved in, I was told by the real estate

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Speaker 4: at some point before we had settled that it wasn't

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Speaker 4: pet friendly. And that was a shock to me because

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Speaker 4: I said to them, that's impossible. I visit people that

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Speaker 4: have pets in this building, So me honestly thinking that

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Speaker 4: it was an outdated by law. And so one thing

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Speaker 4: that I really took exception two is I was made

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Speaker 4: out to be this malicious, evil woman.

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Speaker 1: So can we just go back a bit job.

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Speaker 2: So you bought the property exchange property? No one said

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Speaker 2: it was not pet friendly, etcetera.

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Speaker 1: Just before we settled, we did find out.

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Speaker 2: So the agent told is not pet friendly? Did you

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Speaker 2: ask or did you say? Bring my dog is another cat?

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Speaker 1: Will be talking about it as a dog.

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Speaker 4: He was a little Angus Schnauzerazer.

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Speaker 2: So it's not a big german chep nine kilos was

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Speaker 2: on nine kilo. Okay, so we've got a small dog.

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Speaker 1: Small dog.

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Speaker 4: I mentioned the dog. I mentioned Angus. I mentioned the name,

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Speaker 4: and the real estate agent said, no, I didn't know

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Speaker 4: you had children.

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Speaker 1: I said I don't. I said I have a dog,

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Speaker 1: and he said, no dog's allowed in here. And that's

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Speaker 1: how the conversation.

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Speaker 3: Started before you settled.

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Speaker 1: Before we settled, so.

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Speaker 4: Me and my husband had a really big chat about it.

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Speaker 4: The property ticked all the boxes we had been looking

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Speaker 4: for ten months. Wasn't anything sinister? I said to Leo,

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Speaker 4: my husband, you know, what do you think? He said,

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Speaker 4: let's buy it. Angus was nine at the time. I'll

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Speaker 4: put in a submission. Leave Angus with my sister, because

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Speaker 4: you know, they got on like a house on fire,

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Speaker 4: and if that fails, we'll rent it out. We've still

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Speaker 4: bought a property we were interested in and we'll rent

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Speaker 4: somewhere else.

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Speaker 1: Not a problem.

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Speaker 4: Where it went wrong is when I asked the question

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Speaker 4: about a meeting that with an EGM that was upcoming,

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Speaker 4: Correct, sorry, and you were you are it's a legal

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Speaker 1: Nothing untoward. I was told to put my dog in

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Speaker 2: At the meeting before before the meeting, so they had

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Speaker 4: So people the way for eighteen years that they transported

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Speaker 2: So when I found out sort of surreptitiously bringing yeah,

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Speaker 4: This is arbitrary, this is crazy. So we got grown

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Speaker 3: This is strata manager.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The chair, the chair and the secretary chair of

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Speaker 4: So the chair and the secretary, and they were the

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if this has come through. I

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Speaker 4: I test them and I said to them, what do

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Speaker 4: No, it's just a fact. Okay, so you're aware there's

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Speaker 4: I'm going to put that motion in because it's a

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Speaker 4: A man opened the gate. I said, thank you. We

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Speaker 1: With all of that dog Angus was not in yet. Yep.

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Speaker 4: And he looks at me and he says, excuse me,

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Speaker 4: with utter disgust, looks me up and down, and I said,

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Speaker 1: What going on.

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Speaker 4: Well, you see, we've rid ourselves of millionaires and you,

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Speaker 4: you stupid little brown girl, but you'll be gone in

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Speaker 1: Said that, He said that, What the hell? He said

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Speaker 4: I can tell you like, I'm saying this to you now,

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Speaker 2: The extent of the dog, the change of ocean, relation

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Speaker 2: and relation to pets extended to calling you one stupid

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Speaker 2: two little yep, three brown brown girl or brown and

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Speaker 1: Because it was never about pets.

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Speaker 4: Let's put that on the table. This was never about pets.

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Speaker 4: They knew there was pets in the building. They were

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Speaker 4: about abuse of power, pure and simple.

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Speaker 3: It was this individual on the body corporing.

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Speaker 1: It was a connection to the body corp. Yeah yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I've been to that process.

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Speaker 4: And it's happening all not only in New South Wales.

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Speaker 4: I get messages from New Zealand nationwide. I got an

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Speaker 1: It wasn't the easiest road to how'd you feel?

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Speaker 2: How did you feel then when that that, when you

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Speaker 4: Disgusted, really disgusted because discouraged. No, no, no, that that

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Speaker 1: I told him what was.

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Speaker 4: Happened, what had just happened, and I said to him,

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Speaker 4: I said, I'll take this all the way, you know.

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Speaker 4: Excuse my language, I said, game on, motherfuckers.

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Speaker 2: Totally hello, I'm glad. I mean, I don't know what

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Speaker 3: I will constrain myself.

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Speaker 4: And can I tell you the most exhausting part about

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Speaker 4: I responded, I was called that's bad.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 4: I've been called low class. I've been physically assaulted by

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Speaker 2: Yes, yep, but these are people who are supposed to

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Speaker 2: that's that's like unbelievable, Like how could they be so

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Speaker 1: Well what about, though.

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Speaker 4: About this little person who they deem way beneath them,

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Speaker 4: maybe I should You know, this is a bit too scary,

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Speaker 4: It's a bit much it's a strategy, and unfortunately I've

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Speaker 4: been there. I know what a narcissist is, I know

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Speaker 4: I really with the good warrior. Just going back to

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Speaker 4: the connection between repeated disrespect that leads to bullying, that

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Speaker 5: In a lot of cases, leads to tragedy because because

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Speaker 2: Like in the case of bullying, end or abuse of power,

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Speaker 3: It's not visible.

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Speaker 2: So I get away with what I do, which no

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Speaker 2: I want. So these are our personal opinions. Why wouldn't

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Speaker 2: I just can't get my head around it. But why

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Speaker 1: You know, I just don't understand why wouldn't they want

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Speaker 4: Because it wasn't about the dog. It was the fact

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Speaker 3: How dare you challenge me?

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Speaker 1: How dare you? And who are you? You just moved in?

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Speaker 1: Yeah you're a newbie and you're a little brown girl.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you've got no long kre. You know the lady

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Speaker 1: I had to laugh. She was wearing pearls and she

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Speaker 3: I have to do a funny story, not a funny story.

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Speaker 2: I had a similar experience and I won't say where,

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Speaker 3: Part of their BiLaw system.

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Speaker 2: And it's a bit more complicated this, but I just

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Speaker 2: So I had to actually had to have an interview,

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Speaker 3: And I did that for a number of years.

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Speaker 2: And when I meet this small group of people who

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Speaker 2: And nobody my age lived in the building.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's a day tommy. He was retired.

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Speaker 2: So they effectively, under the bilaws they could force you out,

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Speaker 2: globally known, well known, and was always pushing against the establishment, etc.

444
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Speaker 2: And I guess me too. And in fact, there's a

445
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Speaker 2: book written about this building and they've been a whole

446
00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:47,000
Speaker 2: chapter on this particular individual.

447
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:48,440
Speaker 3: And I just want to protect people.

448
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,159
Speaker 2: I'm not going to say they were, but they just

449
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,640
Speaker 2: assumed this young guy who was me coming into this

450
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 2: expensive building that they're like, how could he afford it?

451
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Speaker 3: Who was he?

452
00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 1: Why is he a dressed this way?

453
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Speaker 2: So I sort of have experience it, not to the

454
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 2: extreme that you have that sort of sense of you

455
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 2: don't believing you coming from out west.

456
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,160
Speaker 1: They didn't call me brown boy or anything that.

457
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Speaker 2: But at the same time they were talking about the

458
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 2: way addressed h it's derogatory totally, and they're making a

459
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 2: judgment on me based on what my clothes were. So

460
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Speaker 2: I found it quite amazing. But this is like it's

461
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 2: probably twenty five years ago now, so it was a

462
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 2: long time ago. I can't believe that sort of thing

463
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:29,919
Speaker 2: happens still today.

464
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Speaker 1: It's getting worse. It is getting worse.

465
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Speaker 2: If you were to see your experience, given your your

466
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 2: business and what you do, you're saying it's getting worse.

467
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,520
Speaker 1: I can't believe, absolutely getting worse. People are getting bullied.

468
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 4: Everywhere, communities, work, homecause.

469
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:49,880
Speaker 1: That older people bullying younger people.

470
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Speaker 2: To think, so the establishment, the so called in elite elitism,

471
00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:58,920
Speaker 2: these people who now by the way, we're not talking

472
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Speaker 2: about have to write a politicians were all met the

473
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,159
Speaker 2: elite general, but they consider themselves elite.

474
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 4: They considered themselves superior. Yes, and they've got this sense

475
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 4: of entitlement and privilege.

476
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 2: Fuck them, yeah, fuck them, absolutely, fucking.

477
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 1: Them and they ruined people's lives.

478
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Speaker 3: And they across the world.

479
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 2: So like, did you get any system from systems from

480
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Speaker 2: the city council, Sydney City Council.

481
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:24,879
Speaker 4: I got assistance mark from no one. I if you

482
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 4: think about the changes that have happened on such on

483
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 4: the scale that I delivered, you know, there's usually you

484
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 4: get some people with profiles getting behind you, some corporations

485
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 4: established for you.

486
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Speaker 1: You know, I change not only state law, it's across

487
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Speaker 1: the nation. We won the case. I won the case

488
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Speaker 1: at the I had to take it to Supreme Court.

489
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Speaker 3: So the case was about the strata titles legislation. Yep.

490
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Speaker 3: So this only applies to strata title buildings.

491
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Speaker 4: Strata schemes and property yep. Yeah, and it has it's.

492
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Speaker 1: What was the outcome of the case.

493
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Speaker 4: So the outcome of the case was about by law.

494
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,879
Speaker 4: So its well beyond pets and this is can I

495
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 4: just take care? It was generally so what I loved

496
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 4: and I really want to put this out there because

497
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 4: I think it's a strong thing. I embrace being underestimated.

498
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 4: I love it because the people that underestimate you, generally,

499
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 4: they've just demonstrated how lazy they are in trying to

500
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Speaker 4: understand what makes you tip, what drives you, and that's

501
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 4: what happens. It's happened to me most of my life.

502
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 4: But with this case, it was so predictable. They had

503
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 4: no idea what I was fighting for. Even the media

504
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 4: made it all about angus, which was great. They won't

505
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 4: mean about it, but it was like, oh, you know,

506
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Speaker 4: she's fighting for a.

507
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Speaker 1: Cute little dog.

508
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Speaker 4: Meanwhile, I have these you know, people emailing me or

509
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Speaker 4: on the street. Oh you know, I've had thirty years

510
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Speaker 4: in law. We're going to let the Supreme Court deal

511
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Speaker 4: with you. Great, that's also what I'm hoping and counting on.

512
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Speaker 4: You know, they were so blind with rage they couldn't

513
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Speaker 4: see passed that there.

514
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 1: Was no rationality.

515
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 4: They totally missed the whole fact that I wasn't fighting

516
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 4: just for angers. I was changing the whole damn system.

517
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 4: Because for me, this wasn't about a dog. It was

518
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 4: very evident early on it wasn't about angers. It was

519
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 4: about an abuse of power. When I went I went

520
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 4: to see an email. As many politicians as you can imagine,

521
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 4: I sent them videos and photos and emails of my abuse,

522
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:30,360
Speaker 4: trying to demonstrate this is.

523
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Speaker 1: Not about a dog. Didn't even step up. No, not one,

524
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Speaker 1: not one. What about council. Council came on beoreing. Surely

525
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: Clovermore would step up and.

526
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Speaker 2: Say, look, I I'm going to fight for this woman.

527
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 4: No, no, she didn't. The only credit I will give

528
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Speaker 4: Clover was through Christine Foster. So I started the first

529
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Speaker 4: E petition in New South Wales. Because we were going

530
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Speaker 4: through COVID and we only had the paper petitions. I

531
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Speaker 4: lobbied Gladys at the time we got e petitions in,

532
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Speaker 4: I put the first one in. I needed support with

533
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 4: this petition. I need twenty thousand signatures. Again, so if

534
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 4: you anyone can create any petition, you get twenty thousand

535
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 4: signatures and they have to bring it up in Parliament.

536
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 4: So my strategy was this, I can say it now,

537
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 4: and this is what I mean by being underestimated. You know,

538
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 4: I had three things going on. I had my eye

539
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 4: on a petition. I had the court system going which

540
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Speaker 4: they initiated. A lot of people accused me of initiating court.

541
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Speaker 3: They took you to court.

542
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Speaker 1: They took me to court. I tried to warn them.

543
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Speaker 1: I actually said to them, let's not go down this path.

544
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: But anyway, so they were seeking.

545
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 4: A declaration, they were seeking to have me basically. So

546
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Speaker 4: by the time we got to court, so it was

547
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 4: a few years in. I did bring Angus in openly

548
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 4: though I said to them I'm bringing him in this

549
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 4: is ridiculous.

550
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: So the court case.

551
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 4: And then I had my eye on any bill that

552
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,199
Speaker 4: was being presented in Parliament to put an amendment in,

553
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 4: to try and get it in that way because I

554
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 4: thought I didn't know. I didn't know what was going

555
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 4: to come through for me. I was getting no support.

556
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 4: Me and my husband were funding this. You can only imagine.

557
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 4: Our legal bills started in the last quart of twenty fifteen,

558
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 4: and the first one and the last one was I

559
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 4: think the first quarter of twenty twenty two.

560
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 1: Wow, do the mats. It wasn't cheap.

561
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 4: I had no you know, somebody bankrolling me as rumors

562
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 4: went around and it was crazy. So I had to

563
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 4: I had to have some strategy going on, which thankfully

564
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 4: I'm good at. So I had all these things going on.

565
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,880
Speaker 4: We didn't get the twenty thousand for the petition. Christine

566
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Speaker 4: Foster did take my.

567
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: Petitions to Coster. She was a counselor. She's from she's

568
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Speaker 1: on the couch. She was in the Council at the time,

569
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Speaker 1: a voted member of the council. Yes, voted member of council.

570
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Speaker 4: And you know, I'm very thankful for her because she

571
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 4: did take it to council and Clover did vote in

572
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 4: favor of that, however, but.

573
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Speaker 3: It's a state legislation though, was a state gonment legislation.

574
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it was just about getting for me. It

575
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 4: was about getting that petition out there to as many

576
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 4: people's hope you get the signatures. It was token and

577
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Speaker 4: I'll tell you why. I emailed her after saying, now,

578
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 4: I think the City of Sydney's page had something like

579
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Speaker 4: two hundred thousand plus followers or members. She had shared

580
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 4: it on her own page, which had way less. So

581
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 4: I emailed her or contacted the office I can't remember.

582
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 4: I said, I really really appreciate if you could push

583
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 4: this out a bit further.

584
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Speaker 1: I need twenty thousand citig natures. That was the end

585
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: of that.

586
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 4: She never did anything else, and I mean, you can

587
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 4: edit this out, but her and Alex Greenwich have a

588
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 4: very strong alliance, and he was not supporting me in

589
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Speaker 4: any way because he has a strong alliance unfortunately with

590
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Speaker 4: my building.

591
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: Right has he lived there? No.

592
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 4: They held fundraisers for him, and this is all public record.

593
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 4: They volunteered for him. I went and saw him three

594
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Speaker 4: times and my opening statement to him was, I know

595
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Speaker 4: you have a relationship with my building.

596
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: But I'm going to give you the benefit of the.

597
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 4: Doubt that I'm one of your constituents and I need help.

598
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 4: And he basically went around telling people he doesn't.

599
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: Have to support me. So he's a local independent MP

600
00:28:55,680 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: state member for this area Sydney, Sydney.

601
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, and he is the standing independent member.

602
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 3: Yeah right, yeap.

603
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: So we don't have a labor or liberal, we have

604
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Speaker 1: an independence.

605
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 4: We have an independent so called independent as I like

606
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 4: to say, and I stand by that, and I've put

607
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 4: it all over publicly. I have no respect for him

608
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 4: because he had multiple opportunities to step up, and a

609
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 4: lot of people will say, well, he doesn't have to

610
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 4: support you. Absolutely, he does not have to support me.

611
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 4: Be honest about it. Because when I won, I tell you,

612
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 4: he was one of the first to get involved and

613
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 4: say how he was responsible for fixing pets in strata

614
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 4: and I thought, you have got to be kidding me,

615
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 4: You have actually got to be kidding me. I actually

616
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 4: wrote to his office to say, where can I send

617
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 4: my legal bills if he was responsible, because I didn't

618
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 4: remember him sitting next to me in.

619
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Speaker 1: The Supreme Court. We're not drawing checks, not drawing checks,

620
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: not doing anything.

621
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Speaker 4: And my issue with that is I am somewhat of

622
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 4: a resilient personality and when I'm asked why I fight

623
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 4: cases like is imagine just imagine if this was the

624
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 4: response somebody got to an innocent question because I didn't

625
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 4: come at it with any malice. Imagine if it was

626
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 4: someone who was just on the knife's head. The damage

627
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 4: that this behavior does to people.

628
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: I know firsthand.

629
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Speaker 3: It's traumatic.

630
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 4: It's traumatic and sometimes leads to tragedy. And I'm sick

631
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 4: of it. I'm just sick of it.

632
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: You're calling it out.

633
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 3: So what was it? I'm going to go to the break.

634
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 3: But what was the outcome?

635
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: Joe like? So the outcome was that? Sorry, what the

636
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: outcome was?

637
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 3: Not only in relationships?

638
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 2: But now what is it? What is it?

639
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 4: So they have restrictions, There are restrictions on what bylaws

640
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 4: any scheme can make. So that's what should have happened

641
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 4: to begin with. Because the Strata legislation is very clunky,

642
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 4: it's all over the place. It needs to be ripped

643
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 4: up and started again with. People have got some brains.

644
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 4: But basically just because the majority voted for it, which

645
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:55,719
Speaker 4: in my case, it wasn't. It was a majority who

646
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 4: turned up to vote, which was the minority. Doesn't matter

647
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 4: if the majority vote for it. If it doesn't meet

648
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 4: regulations and broader laws, it's not a law.

649
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 2: It's not a bylaw, right. So so just so I'm

650
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 2: clear on this, a bye law can't be made in

651
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 2: relation to how you live your life in your home, inside.

652
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: Your your in your building. It cannot restrict your property rights, right,

653
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: and which sort of makes sense. So that's so going

654
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: back to.

655
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 4: Where I did get side rights. Sorry, it's so much

656
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 4: to this story. When I said they weren't paying attention.

657
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 4: What I was fighting for was property rights.

658
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: Yep, So that was my angle.

659
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 4: I'm going to go property rights. I know we have

660
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 4: proper property rights. People think that just because you're in strata,

661
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 4: you give up your property rights. And thank god, my

662
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 4: judgment was very well written. Thank you to the three

663
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 4: judges unanimous vote. You can live your life, just don't

664
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Speaker 4: be disrespectful to your neighbor, right, Really, that's the crux

665
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 4: of it, and.

666
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 2: That makes sense to and I'm glad to see the

667
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 2: court system brought out some common sense.

668
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: They did. Let's go to break and it came straight back.

669
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 3: And I want to talk about your good the good

670
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:00,479
Speaker 3: worry business.

671
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: We're back here. I'm doing it to Joe Kuber.

672
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 2: She just took us through how she got the good

673
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 2: result in relation to the amendment or the interpretation of

674
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 2: the legislation by the court system, in relation to her

675
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 2: petition to the court, that is being that the by

676
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 2: laws should not be allowed to exclude what you do

677
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 2: withinside your property. In her case, it was having a dog.

678
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 2: But it's a broad brought much broader principle. And I

679
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 2: guess what's really important out of all this, Joe, is

680
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 2: that sometimes you've got to stand up, not sometimes. It'd

681
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 2: be great if every time that if something there was

682
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 2: a good discussion, a fair debate, that you could have

683
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 2: a fair debate without being bullied from one side. And

684
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 2: maybe that's sort of what you're talking about here when

685
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 2: you talk about the good warrior, that your mission and

686
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 2: being the good warrior. It's about you know, you who

687
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 2: talks about this or stuff, But it's about people being

688
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 2: able to prosecute what they truly believe in in a proper,

689
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 2: valuable debating environment without being sort of stood over or

690
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 2: outvoted in a stitched up way by people who have

691
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 2: their agenda already determined. Absolutely absolutely, and there's no you know,

692
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 2: because in a body corporate situation, for example, there's no judge,

693
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 2: no one's there. You don't have an independent arbiter sitting there. Arbitrator,

694
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 2: I should say, you don't have an independent arbitrator. It's

695
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 2: they have already made the decision and you put up

696
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 2: your point of view, but they said no, sorry, it's

697
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 2: not going to happen. And that sort of and because

698
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 2: it's funny, you know how this works, and society works

699
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 2: this way, but it's funny people sort of appoint themselves

700
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 2: as politicians in these environments and because they've got agendas,

701
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 2: and a lot of times the agenda is just about power.

702
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 2: I want to have power in this place, make sure

703
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 2: that this place is run the way I want it

704
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 2: to be run. It's not a democratic system, not at all.

705
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 2: There's no democracy work. But how much of that is

706
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,439
Speaker 2: a response to the fact that a lot of people

707
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 2: in Australia who live in austra environments are apathetic and

708
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 2: that they just say, oh fuck it, I don't want

709
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 2: to vote for this.

710
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 1: I don't give a shit what they do. Let them

711
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: do whatever they want.

712
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 2: I mean, is there a bit of people take advantage

713
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 2: of the apathy of all the other members of the building.

714
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, Apathy is a is a big part of

715
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: the problem.

716
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 4: So all we always know the people abusing power, we

717
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 4: usually criticize those holding them to account, and we ignore

718
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,320
Speaker 4: the middle and that's where I focus on and the

719
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 4: middle east silent bystanders.

720
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 2: I call them the These are the people stood by

721
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 2: watching you get dragged along by the count.

722
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: They're the majority.

723
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, they are the silent majority who sit there, and

724
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 4: my focus is on them because of multiple reasons. I

725
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 4: want to mobilize them to one believe in the power

726
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 4: of their voice to speak up, because like most things,

727
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 4: it's a numbers game. This situation could have been sorted

728
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 4: out if most people actual He turned up and said,

729
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 4: you know, this is ludicrous. You're spending our strike money.

730
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 4: They didn't fear the intimidation of this building, and many,

731
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 4: not just this many. It's mind blowing to actually believe

732
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 4: this is happening in Australia, to be honest, the fear

733
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 4: of being outcast. I had a man who I was

734
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 4: with Angus, and I walked into to the lift and

735
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 4: he looked at me white man in his fifties, and

736
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 4: I say that for a reason, and he.

737
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: Looks at me.

738
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 4: You know you have my sympathies. And I looked at

739
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 4: him and I said, I don't want your sympathy. I

740
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,720
Speaker 4: want your vote, Like, just give me a piece of paper.

741
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 4: And he went, I don't want to be marked. And

742
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 4: at that point, it was years in and I'm trying

743
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 4: to avoid an appeal. So I had won my first

744
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 4: case and they appealed that decision, and I said to

745
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 4: I'm just giving my vote. You know it will save

746
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 4: us all a lot of time and money. He said,

747
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 4: I don't want to be marked. And I looked at him.

748
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: I said, are you joking me?

749
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 4: You're a fifty year old mid fifty year old man

750
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 4: in a building that is so racist. You're scared of

751
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 4: being marked. What do you think I'm going through? He

752
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 4: just looked at me because I'm sorry.

753
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 1: I just can't. And that's the mentality of a lot

754
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: of them, the others, because he's got there's nothing in

755
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 1: for him. But can I tell you about this man?

756
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 4: A week after I won, he bought it a dog

757
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 4: and he can't look at me in the eyes. At

758
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 4: the moment, I've not said anything. I've not made him

759
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 4: feel terrible, but he just can't look at me, and

760
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 4: I think to myself, so here I am being made

761
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 4: to feel less than in this world. My mother stopped

762
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 4: coming to visit because you know, she's darker than me,

763
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 4: and she's very timid lady, and you know they would

764
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 4: steer her down and make her feel.

765
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: Disgusting, so she stopped visiting.

766
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 3: What nationality North African?

767
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: So my mum's Egyptian. My dad was Sudanese, right, Yeah, that's.

768
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 3: Why brown, Yeah what they call today brown?

769
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 2: Whatever? You know.

770
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: I love my skin. I don't I don't care.

771
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 2: Do you know. I've had journalists right about the color

772
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 2: of my skin really yeah, like uber tanned. And I

773
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 2: don't even go on the sun, like I never do this.

774
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 2: I'm going to go and send if I have a runner.

775
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 2: I don't sit around some bake and a shit that.

776
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 2: I'm way too old for that stuff.

777
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 3: And I'm also too vain.

778
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 1: I'm too vain.

779
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 2: I don't want the skin to be ruined bad enough

780
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 2: as it is. But I had someone right about that

781
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 2: in a very important publication Australia. Like I just couldn't

782
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 2: believe some would actually say that about me.

783
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: But that's what matters now. And you look and by

784
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: the way, you know, like I could have.

785
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 2: Taken the person to task with their you know, with

786
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 2: the executives of the organization for a form of racism

787
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 2: at or at least having to go with me about

788
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 2: my skin color in a public environment.

789
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 3: And you're right, that sort of stuff does happen.

790
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 2: As much as incredulous as it seems, that sort of

791
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 2: stuff does happen, It's probably happens more often now.

792
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: Even though we all talk about.

793
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 2: You know, we do our our sort of signaling saying, well,

794
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 2: you know, where inclusive and you know, diverse and all

795
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 2: that sort of stuff, sometimes the people are saying that

796
00:37:58,080 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 2: are actually some of the worst people.

797
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 4: Hundred I agree with you on that they're full of

798
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 4: shit yeah yeah, and a kicker box.

799
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: Yeah.

800
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 2: And we don't sort of let everybody exist in a nice, happy, peaceful,

801
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:12,760
Speaker 2: enjoyable environment.

802
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 3: And I agree, like, you know, you're right. What I

803
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 3: doing some on my apartment funk off.

804
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 4: It's my bisiness unless I'm consistently annoying you. I'm not

805
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 4: talking about the one off parties because we have to live, right,

806
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 4: It's it's life, you know, that moving into a close

807
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 4: community if it's consistent. And I stood up in a

808
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 4: meeting and I said it, you know, what are we

809
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 4: fighting for? You know, let's just sit down. I gave

810
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 4: them so many opportunities with a better outcome for them

811
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 4: than they have now, because now we have this mountain.

812
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 4: What are they Burmese dogs a big We've got one

813
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 4: of them in the lift. He made my day the

814
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 4: other day.

815
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 2: They're cool, they're cool, but a lot of those don't

816
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 2: bark as much as smaller dogs.

817
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: By the way, absolutely absolutely so.

818
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 4: Now we have all these pets that have come out,

819
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 4: We've got new dogs, you know, and they are just

820
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 4: on edge about it.

821
00:38:58,120 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: But it's like I.

822
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 4: Offered you so many solutions, weight restraints, you know, type

823
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 4: of dog.

824
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: They don't have control of that anymore.

825
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 2: Just you know, it's funny, you know, sometimes I wonder

826
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 2: to myself, there could be just one person who doesn't

827
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 2: like the idea, absolutely, but that one person has power

828
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 2: or contacts within the organization makes the decision, and it

829
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 2: could have and they could have political connections as well,

830
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 2: who can actually turn the tide for a whole building.

831
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 2: In the case where you're talk about three ended people

832
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 2: So it could be just one person who doesn't like

833
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 2: either the color of your skin, or doesn't like the

834
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 2: fact that you're a person with you're seeing color, has

835
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:42,720
Speaker 2: a dog, or doesn't like the fact you're a female

836
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 2: with a dog, or it doesn't like like the fact

837
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 2: that you're a and you're going to stand up to them,

838
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 2: doesn't like that fact, and they're prepared to influence the

839
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 2: outcomes for the whole for the whole community, for the

840
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 2: whole community. And even worse than that, are prepared for

841
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 2: that strata team, that that strata scheme to spend money.

842
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that could have fighting you. Yeah, yeah, and I

843
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: was fighting myself.

844
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, Conte, you have to concurbage to the same thing.

845
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 2: But like sometimes it's quite unbelieva that one person or

846
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 2: two people gang up together, go and have a coffee

847
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 2: and say, let's get this bitch. Yeah, let's let's get

848
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 2: the body corporate to.

849
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: Take her on. By the way, it happens in councils, happens,

850
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 1: it happens across the board. Absolutely. What does the good

851
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:35,399
Speaker 1: warrior say to that? Enough, No, we have to get

852
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 1: better at calling it out.

853
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 2: We have to.

854
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:44,280
Speaker 4: And when I say that this culture thrives because of silence.

855
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 4: I'm not It's not an exaggeration. They rely on people

856
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 4: being silent. It's in everything people that you know physically

857
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 4: is violence, domestic violence, you know.

858
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: Someone will know about it, someone saying.

859
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, think about let's go back to Okay, I'll give

860
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 4: you my example. My first boyfriend that put me in hospital.

861
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 4: It was only after he put me in hospital that

862
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 4: people you never really liked him. Yeah, that's great, thanks

863
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 4: for telling me. Now it's too late. So, and we

864
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 4: have this habit in society. You know, we wait for

865
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 4: things to be either popular or a crisis to jump

866
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 4: on board, or we wait for something somebody to be,

867
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 4: you know, a high profile before we get.

868
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 2: Behind them, or we get these as to take a side,

869
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 2: correct and say someone like you if it's not you,

870
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 2: if it's just someone who's a little bit more mild

871
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 2: and meek. Example, they don't ask anyone to take a side,

872
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 2: whereas the people who are powerful, So I need you

873
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 2: to take aside, absolutely, and people should have I feel

874
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 2: compelled Toby to take someone so side. So this business

875
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 2: are taking sides only works in favor of the people

876
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 2: who are the most powerful, who are pressing the people

877
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 2: who are most powerful are the ones to get the side,

878
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 2: the side takers.

879
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: Absolutely, so they've got the bystanders. You talk about the

880
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: biys sayers at the very beginning, yep.

881
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 2: They then there is somebody saying it goes on as

882
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 2: by sentence says, out of the twenty five people there,

883
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 2: I want you to take a side. It's usually the

884
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 2: people people without the power never asked that question. No,

885
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 2: So your your mission is to get people to take

886
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 2: the side of the less powerful, yes, and become more powerful, to.

887
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 4: Become Look our individual voices. I will always say this.

888
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 4: One thing that shocked me through this process is even

889
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 4: people that were sort.

890
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: Of on the fence.

891
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 4: You know, you're one person, like, just give it a rest, love, Okay,

892
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 4: Since when did we give up on the power of

893
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 4: our voice?

894
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: You know, it all starts with people power. Sometimes annoys me,

895
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: but we have given up on the power of people power.

896
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: We have, absolutely and I want to bring that back,

897
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: you know, one hundred percent.

898
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 3: I'm more for that.

899
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 2: People power, like to me, is the most important thing,

900
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 2: and unfortunately the world is getting there's too few groups

901
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 2: and a few banks and if you're insurance companies and

902
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 2: a few miners only a few phone for companies, only

903
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 2: a few blah blah blah everything, and they're getting more

904
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 2: powerful and more powerful and more powerful. And then you

905
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 2: can and in microsystems like for example, where you live,

906
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 2: it's the same sort of thing. So there's a powerful

907
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 2: group in your in your building. And by the way,

908
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 2: this process cuts across just about everything that we do

909
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 2: in our lives. Yes, and unfortunately, the people are getting

910
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 2: pushed down like you wouldn't believe.

911
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 4: I have a woman that I was dealing with a

912
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,479
Speaker 4: few months ago. I try and help as many people

913
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 4: as I can, and it gets hard. And that's why

914
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 4: I'm the Good Worry. I'm hoping to expand as big

915
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 4: as possible for me. I'd like it to go globald,

916
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 4: like it to be a place where somebody is so

917
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 4: intimidated and they think I have nowhere to go. Oh

918
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,439
Speaker 4: the Good Worry, if they'll help me, That's that's my aim.

919
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 4: Because we have in our society, in our community, we

920
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 4: have people walking around that could achieve so much if

921
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 4: they just had a little support and just a little encouragement,

922
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 4: and they would give back to the community tenfold. But

923
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 4: they just don't have that support or opportunity, and they've

924
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 4: either been downtrodden, they've been intimidated.

925
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: You know, we have the power to change our politics,

926
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: our society. We have that power.

927
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 4: One thing that I cannot believe people said to me is, oh,

928
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 4: how do you contact government? Can you speak to politicians?

929
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: Yes, you can. You can challenge them, especially if there's

930
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: numbers in it.

931
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that was a real wake up call to

932
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 4: me because I'm thinking, Oh, people really don't know that

933
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,720
Speaker 4: you can challenge authority. It's your duty to challenge authority.

934
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 4: I mean, that's how I was raised. My father was

935
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 4: I'm very much my father's child. And I do remember

936
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 4: something that he said to me, which is why I

937
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 4: have these set of principles in my life. And it

938
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 4: makes it really easy to make decisions. It doesn't mean

939
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 4: the path or the decision I've made is the easy one,

940
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 4: but it's to do what's right now, what's easy. And

941
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 4: it was something around you know. So he was Sudanese

942
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 4: and I don't know if you know much about Sudan

943
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 4: Usually most people don't. It's not a great country. But

944
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 4: he has memories when he was young of being okay,

945
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 4: and he said, at one point, I cannot remember the

946
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 4: whole situation, but he said, you know, Sudan didn't happen overnight.

947
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 4: It was because people didn't challenge anything. And that has

948
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 4: forever stuck with me because and by the way, I've

949
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 4: always been like this. I cannot remember being any other way.

950
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 4: You know, in school, if somebody was getting bullied, I

951
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,720
Speaker 4: would jump in down the road. Here, there's lots of issues.

952
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: I don't think and don't do that.

953
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 2: You know, you do.

954
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: Look at the environment you're in.

955
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 4: But I am very reactive to helping people when they're

956
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 4: being hurt. I'm a very passionate and intense personality, and

957
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 4: sometimes I'm criticized for that, but I believe that it's

958
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 4: the same passion and intensity that also helps people.

959
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 1: So you've got to stand for something. So the good Warrior,

960
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 1: I'm going to have to sorry.

961
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 2: But in terms of the good Warrior, what would you

962
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 2: like to say about people who are listening to this

963
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 2: who maybe have going through the similar sort of issues

964
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 2: or just curious where do they go?

965
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: Where do they go to the Do you have a website?

966
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 4: I have a website, so website with an email address

967
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 4: the good Warrior dot com dot au. Uh, there's lots

968
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 4: of information on there. I get booked for keynotes for workshops,

969
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 4: one on ones, intro phone call. I want people to

970
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 4: start believing in their power. I want them to understand that, yes,

971
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 4: there are always going to be abusers, that there are,

972
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 4: but we do have the power to decrease the numbers,

973
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 4: and we have the power to call them out. And

974
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 4: I'll harp on about that all the time. The only

975
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 4: way we're going to win this fight on bullying and

976
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 4: abuse is to make them known. You know, we have

977
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 4: all these laws about concealing people who hurt people. Why

978
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 4: that's you know, I don't believe the protected.

979
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 2: They say they're protecting the victims, but at the same

980
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 2: time they're protecting the individual who's caused the problem for

981
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 2: the victim.

982
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: I just I don't get that. Fuck them, call them out, Yeah,

983
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 1: call them, cause that's the only way.

984
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 2: You know.

985
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,919
Speaker 4: I was told once, you're very revengeful, and I said,

986
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,879
Speaker 4: how so you've got to stop calling people out. That's

987
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:22,240
Speaker 4: not revengeful, that's just I said, that's that's actually prevention.

988
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: That's just been real though. Yeah, but it's prevention. Because

989
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you can rely on karma if you like.

990
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: That's a lazy excuse, but by calling them out, you've.

991
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 4: Actually potentially stopped them from doing the same thing to

992
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:36,919
Speaker 4: I don't know how many other people. And that's my driver.

993
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 4: It's not about revenge for me, and quite frankly, I

994
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 4: could have a better life not dealing with this because

995
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 4: it's not it's not fun, it's not sexy. But I

996
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 4: have a passion for good people and I want to

997
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 4: see them thrive, and I want to I want to

998
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 4: see them take their power back, and ultimately I want

999
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 4: to crush bullies because I really detest them.

1000
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 1: Joe Cooper, sorry, sorry, Joe Kuber.

1001
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 2: Good on you for creating the good warrior, but also

1002
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 2: good on if for putting on a good fight and

1003
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 2: not enough people around for me, Not enough people around

1004
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 2: these days with passion, drive, energy, and probably more important,

1005
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 2: commitment to a cause and sometimes a thankless cause to

1006
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 2: a cause.

1007
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: So well done, Thank you. Can I tell you one

1008
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 1: more thing? Did you?

1009
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 4: My case was just voted number six out of ten

1010
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 4: for the most influential court cases in the twenty first.

1011
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 3: Century on the planet or in Australia.

1012
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: I think in Australia.

1013
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 4: Wow, that's I was pretty tough to be that because

1014
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 4: I was like, Okay, it's not got it's not received

1015
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 4: that much recognition.

1016
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 2: Sooner and you're going to go into a law degree

1017
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 2: and become you're going to be. I can see if

1018
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 2: you sort of be coming out a lawyer prosecuting.

1019
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: For all those my dad wanted me to be a lawyer.

1020
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: I want, but I can sort of see it happening.

1021
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: Thanks Jock, Thank you Mark, Thanks

1022
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 5: Intimat intimate, Intimate,