Speaker 1: I got a team. It's Harps and Tiffany and Cook.
Speaker 1: It's a you project. It's six years in, it's a
Speaker 1: million episodes. It's amans past six on a Thursday night.
Speaker 1: I'm going to be honest. I'm going to be honest.
Speaker 1: We're prepared nothing. I'm also going to be honest. Tip's
Speaker 1: mean to be cranky, just a bit cranky. Yesterday had
Speaker 1: a bottom lip out. She had a bottom lip why out.
Speaker 1: She threw a glow mesh in the shag pile, she
Speaker 1: spat the dummy. But you seem to have picked up
Speaker 1: a little bit today.
Speaker 2: Well it took all week, but yeah, I've come good today. Today,
Speaker 2: I've come good.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't even know who this is, but
Speaker 1: it came up on my timeline this morning. Some lady
Speaker 1: I think that follows me. And she's like, I don't
Speaker 1: know one of those. I mean, I mean this in
Speaker 1: the nicest way, you know, kind of kinesiology, kind of
Speaker 1: out there easternee spiritually slapfish together. But you know, sometimes
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a bit like, I'm not sure, but
Speaker 1: sometimes anyway, she was saying, and she was lovely. She
Speaker 1: was talking about how she'd had a bunch of her
Speaker 1: clients in this week or patience, whatever she calls them,
Speaker 1: and they were all like you were when I chatted
Speaker 1: to you yesterday, which was super flat, and she was
Speaker 1: talking about how it had to do with the moon
Speaker 1: and stuff. Remember we were talking the other day about
Speaker 1: the full moon, and I used to think it was bullshit.
Speaker 1: I used to think that, which is just shows that
Speaker 1: I was kind of ignorant because it's well known that
Speaker 1: it does have an impact on us and it and
Speaker 1: I think I told you this story the other day,
Speaker 1: but i'll tell it for the show. I might have
Speaker 1: told it once on this show, but I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: But anyway, years ago, I did a and I mean
Speaker 1: this with total respect, I did a corporate speaking gig
Speaker 1: for a school, like a special needs school, school with
Speaker 1: kids with primarily intellectual handicaps, learning disabilities and so on.
Speaker 1: Awesome kids, by the way, awesome school, awesome teachers. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I had to do a whole day with the teachers,
Speaker 1: and I got there early and the principle was showing
Speaker 1: me around the school. That was a non school day,
Speaker 1: so that's why I had the whole day with the teachers.
Speaker 1: But I was asking her about the school do you
Speaker 1: remember their story or.
Speaker 3: No, Yeah, yeah I do.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was asking her, like, what's it like, and
Speaker 1: she's like, the kids are great, you know, like it's
Speaker 1: it's obviously it's a it's not a typical school, it's
Speaker 1: not typical environment, you know, so there's lots of adjustments
Speaker 1: and adaptations blah blah blah. And I said, and for
Speaker 1: the most part, are the kids great? And she goes, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're great, except like it's a you know, it's chaos
Speaker 1: around the full moon, of course. And I'm like what.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I thought she was pulling my leg
Speaker 1: and I kind of inappropriately but unknowingly laughed. I went, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I can imagine that all be on the roof howling
Speaker 1: or something, you know, like I didn't know, and she's
Speaker 1: kind of looked at me, and I went really and
Speaker 1: she goes, oh, yes, Like the fucking dumbass. I'm like, wow,
Speaker 1: I thought you were. Oh, I'm like really, and she goes,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, one hundred percent. And I got what happens
Speaker 1: and she goes, ah, you know, everything, like not all
Speaker 1: of them, but a percentage of them around the full moon.
Speaker 1: You know, they're they're you know, they get a bit
Speaker 1: upset or their behavior changes. And she was I mean,
Speaker 1: she wasn't being on any level disparaging or in like,
Speaker 1: she was just saying, what happens. Oh yeah, no, no,
Speaker 1: we have we all have trouble, always have trouble. There's
Speaker 1: a few that you know, and I'm like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: And then not yes day, but the day before I
Speaker 1: think was a full moon. And then the last couple
Speaker 1: of days been a bit little.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just tied it up. There's a link.
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe I'm a bit aware wolf. For me, I
Speaker 3: was out there howling. I don't know. That's why I'm not.
Speaker 2: I'm sleep isn't showing me very good data because I'm
Speaker 2: actually out on the roof howling.
Speaker 3: I just can't remember.
Speaker 1: But you know what's funny is when, like when you
Speaker 1: do a kind of an internal audit, like a checklist,
Speaker 1: You're like, and you and I spoke yesterday and I
Speaker 1: said to you, okay, and You're like, I just feel
Speaker 1: like shit, which is normal and human. I go, what's
Speaker 1: going on? You go, I don't know, And you go, oh, well,
Speaker 1: my dog loves me, my cat loves me, I'm healthy,
Speaker 1: My mum and dad are good and I'm making a
Speaker 1: few bucks and I kind of like my job and
Speaker 1: then and then you feel shit. And then a day
Speaker 1: or two later, nothing's changed and you don't feel shit.
Speaker 1: Then you kind of go, maybe it's bio chemical, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And it's a real it is a real life.
Speaker 2: And like I always, you know, there's been times not
Speaker 2: probably not that intense that was. That was a whole week,
Speaker 2: and that was really physical and emotional and mental and
Speaker 2: long and grueling for me. But there's been moments before
Speaker 2: where I've felt a bit.
Speaker 3: Burnt out and you're just on a level, you're a
Speaker 3: different person.
Speaker 2: So and I really appreciate having that perspective because when
Speaker 2: people when you're helping other people like yourself, we work
Speaker 2: in areas where we're helping and guiding other people, you
Speaker 2: have to understand that it's just fucking not that easy
Speaker 2: all the time. Like I was, I would turn up
Speaker 2: to train to do something because training always makes me
Speaker 2: feel better, and I would start and there was just
Speaker 2: this burning resentment in my body, going, if you push me,
Speaker 2: I will cry like I want to go home to bed,
Speaker 2: go home to bed now. And it's like I never
Speaker 2: feel like that, and I was like, oh, okay, all right, yeah,
Speaker 2: we won't We'll take the gloves back off then we
Speaker 2: won't punch the bag.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah. Well I saw you yesterday, gym, and
Speaker 1: you were like, don't look at me, don't look at me.
Speaker 1: Like what, don't look at me? I'll cry. I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, well, okay, sure, sure.
Speaker 3: That was the pinnacle.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I was on my way into I sat in the
Speaker 2: car for ten minutes before coming inside, and I thought,
Speaker 2: do I go in or do I leave? Like what's
Speaker 2: best for me? It's best to be around people, But
Speaker 2: I also feel like I want to be in that
Speaker 2: bubble where I don't want to make eye contact with people.
Speaker 2: I don't want people to see me. I don't want
Speaker 2: to give this energy to people. Yes, well you know,
Speaker 2: how do I manage that? And I also don't want
Speaker 2: to put it. I can't put on a front. I
Speaker 2: feel like this, yeah yeah, no, thanks for putting up
Speaker 2: with that and making me laugh a little bit and
Speaker 2: actually making me do train a little bit more than
Speaker 2: I would have if I had have not gone or.
Speaker 1: Well, pleasure. I mean, it's but that's the thing, isn't it.
Speaker 1: It's like sometimes you you have an awareness, like I
Speaker 1: reckon that is really good example of being aware that
Speaker 1: your energy actually and it's not just woo woo, your
Speaker 1: energy can impact other people's energy, and you know, for
Speaker 1: good or bad, for good or bad. And like yesterday,
Speaker 1: when I saw you, I went, ah, there's some shit
Speaker 1: going on. And then I tried to open the door
Speaker 1: a little bit and you add your fucking foot, both feet, knees,
Speaker 1: fucking hamstrings, hips, shoulders against the door. I'm like, all right,
Speaker 1: jumbo pat, mister fucking PhD and self awareness, just leave
Speaker 1: that door alone and just get the fuck back a bit,
Speaker 1: you know. And so I just told you what to
Speaker 1: do in the gym and I didn't raise anything and
Speaker 1: we got through it, and I think there was even
Speaker 1: a couple of laughs. But it is, you know, it
Speaker 1: is funny, isn't it. Because I could see you on
Speaker 1: another day and you're, you know, maybe not feeling great,
Speaker 1: and I go, what's going on? And you just go
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah. Right, And then other times it's
Speaker 1: like don't fucking ask, don't look at me, don't look
Speaker 1: at me.
Speaker 2: But for me, it was like today, like the whole
Speaker 2: cleep in the door closed. That was because I didn't
Speaker 2: have an answer. What's wrong? Well, nothing's wrong. I just
Speaker 2: so I'm like, what's nothing to say? Well, it's good,
Speaker 2: nothing's happened. There's nothing to unpack except my energy is
Speaker 2: really rotten. Something's probably going on hormonally or you know,
Speaker 2: somehow burnout or something with my energy something. But I
Speaker 2: just didn't have anything to money constructively unpack.
Speaker 1: Can I ask you a question? Feel free to tell
Speaker 1: me to fuck off and we can edit this out.
Speaker 1: But you're forty one.
Speaker 3: I'm having an appointment tomorrow, all right?
Speaker 1: Do you like is that I'm not kind of going?
Speaker 1: So where are you at? You know I'm not there,
Speaker 1: but where are you at? No? But because I mean
Speaker 1: ask fucking alpha male buffets for the most part, although
Speaker 1: it's not totally true, because there is a thing called
Speaker 1: Andrew Pause, which is very real, by the way, and
Speaker 1: doesn't get nearly enough airtime. And no, it's not nearly
Speaker 1: as stressful or traumatic as menopause or perimenopause, of course, yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's real. But yeah, is that something that you
Speaker 1: have that you think about or you've had to think
Speaker 1: about because like you're you're because also you're very fucking lean, right,
Speaker 1: and like you are. There are very few women who
Speaker 1: are as lean as you. Yeah, and so does that
Speaker 1: am I allowed to ask? Is that fuck with your
Speaker 1: cycle and all of that?
Speaker 3: It doesn't.
Speaker 2: But for the very for a very very long time,
Speaker 2: I was on the contraceptive pill, So there's not like
Speaker 2: your cycle is your cycle because you're taking a pill
Speaker 2: each day to control it when it happens. And ever
Speaker 2: since it's been like I'm regular, So there's no signs
Speaker 2: like that. But this year, you know, last year, when
Speaker 2: I went into fight training and that was a hugely
Speaker 2: intense anxiety provoking, my emotional response to that was enormous,
Speaker 2: and I went, well, that's that's expected because the training
Speaker 2: and the intensity was high and hard, and the pressure
Speaker 2: that was put on was for that reason was hard.
Speaker 2: So I went, well, this all makes sense, and I
Speaker 2: think there's a bit of emotional and psychological stuff for
Speaker 2: me that's coming out through that environment because of the
Speaker 2: work I've done. But this year, when I wasn't in
Speaker 2: that same environment and I was training, I had a
Speaker 2: similar couple of similar emotional reactions where I'm for no reason,
Speaker 2: in the middle of training, I just wanted to cry
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I want to quit. And I went, okay,
Speaker 2: this is out of context. I think this might be hormonal.
Speaker 2: My recovery is tanked this year. I've been waking up
Speaker 2: at three am quite a bit. I never do that.
Speaker 2: I always struggle to get to sleep, but I never
Speaker 2: wake up. So I yeah, So I've just made an
Speaker 2: appointment this week to get all of the levels and
Speaker 2: the things tested. Do you know what else was interesting
Speaker 2: in terms of sorry, in terms of I've been listening
Speaker 2: to Raw by Doctor Stacy Seems one of her books,
Speaker 2: and she deals with female athletes, and just today I
Speaker 2: was listening to it on the way back from Q
Speaker 2: and she was talking about low energy availability and that's
Speaker 2: I can't remember the percentage of female athletes that actually
Speaker 2: run into low energy availability because we don't eat enough
Speaker 2: to fuel. So you can eat enough to fuel your workout,
Speaker 2: but not to fuel your organ functions. And she said look,
Speaker 2: and I just went geez. She said the thing. Some
Speaker 2: of the things that tell you you're in low energy availability
Speaker 2: are stress fractures. Now, I had to my first fight,
Speaker 2: I had stress fractured transverse process. I had a ferretin
Speaker 2: level of five two weeks out from that, and I
Speaker 2: had previous leader that recovered from a stress fracture in
Speaker 2: my hand. Not at one point did anyone in the
Speaker 2: medical industry go, hey, who's what are you doing with
Speaker 2: your nutrition? How are you recovering? No one's monitoring any
Speaker 2: level of periodization. It was just, oh, we jab a
Speaker 2: local anesthetic in your spine and see if that you know,
Speaker 2: like that was before we knew it was a stress fracture. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I just went wow, since two thousand and four
Speaker 2: back then, because I then I wasn't really paid, I
Speaker 2: didn't know much about nutrition, or it probably wasn't. I
Speaker 2: wasn't eating as much as I thought I was back then,
Speaker 2: and probably I eat a lot more now.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I just wow, shit, you know that was
Speaker 3: well that.
Speaker 1: I mean, your body is the wisdom. And if people
Speaker 1: are saying, what the fuck's a transverse process, it's a
Speaker 1: bit of bone that sticks out the side of one
Speaker 1: of your vertebrae in your spine, So it's part of
Speaker 1: your spine. Definitely not something that you want to break, fracture,
Speaker 1: break or fracture. But yeah, you know, I wrote a
Speaker 1: post that I put up yesterday which is really relevant
Speaker 1: to this if you don't follow me on Instagram, come on,
Speaker 1: get on pragg Anthony Harper on ig and the whiteboard
Speaker 1: post or the whiteboard is when it comes to transforming
Speaker 1: your body. Something works for everybody, but everything doesn't work
Speaker 1: for everybody. And then I wrote find your something then
Speaker 1: underneath that and this is specific to you, well us. Really,
Speaker 1: despite what some self proclaimed experts, salespeople and pseudo scientists
Speaker 1: might tell or sell you, there's no single best exercise program, diet,
Speaker 1: health protocol or lifestyle because newsflash, we ain't the same.
Speaker 1: Which is why the drug that saves one person can
Speaker 1: literally kill another, so that would be penicillin. And why
Speaker 1: Dave's healthy snack is John's anaphylactic reaction. And then in
Speaker 1: another version, I wrote why Sally's favorite strength movement is
Speaker 1: Jane's bulging disc squats or dead lifts, right, And so
Speaker 1: like the bottom line, and we say this a lot,
Speaker 1: people still don't really understand the importance of While yes,
Speaker 1: we need advice and we need somebody to you know,
Speaker 1: you go see a personal trainer or an exercise physiologist or
Speaker 1: you know a tear or a Craig or someone like
Speaker 1: one of us, and sure you get a program written,
Speaker 1: but even me, who's written literally probably tens of thousands,
Speaker 1: it's still an educated guess. So I don't know exactly
Speaker 1: how your physiology, your biology, your joints, your ligaments, your tendons,
Speaker 1: your muscles, your digestive system, etc. I don't know how
Speaker 1: your nervous system. I don't know how it's going to
Speaker 1: respond because I've never had I've never worked with your body.
Speaker 1: So what we do is we go, well, let's start here,
Speaker 1: because this is based on lots of research and experience,
Speaker 1: there's probably a logical spot to start. But then more importantly,
Speaker 1: let's see what your body tells us, you know, which
Speaker 1: is why one person can have almonds and it's a
Speaker 1: healthy snack, and another person can die from an an
Speaker 1: plactic reaction. Or someone has penicillin and it, you know,
Speaker 1: it cures their gonorrhea. You're welcome. And someone else has
Speaker 1: penicillin and they die because they're fucking allergic to it.
Speaker 1: Or someone does deadlifts and over twelve months builds an
Speaker 1: incredible lower back and arson hammies, and someone else does deadlifts,
Speaker 1: you know, even with perfect form, and they're fucked. You
Speaker 1: know they're fucked because their body by mechanically you know,
Speaker 1: lever lanx blah blah blah everything. It's just not suited
Speaker 1: for that. And the truth is, despite how some people
Speaker 1: go everyone should do this, it's not true. Not everyone
Speaker 1: should deadlift, not everyone should squat. You know, the person
Speaker 1: with certain biomechanics and certain kind of spine and maybe
Speaker 1: anterior pelvic tilt, were's a lot more stress on the
Speaker 1: lumbard discs. And by the way, they're you know, fifty two.
Speaker 1: And by the way, now, all of a sudden, you
Speaker 1: putting this downward force of a barbell on their spine.
Speaker 1: Just because your trainer likes squats doesn't mean it's a
Speaker 1: fucking good idea, you know. So that listening to your
Speaker 1: body is super important.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but even there's even the trap of sure and
Speaker 2: our bias is our cognitive bias has come into this.
Speaker 3: Short term. So let's take intimate and fasting.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I had doctor Minniepel's on my show. That episode went
Speaker 2: absolutely nuts. I thought she was the best thing since
Speaker 2: slash Bread and still thinks she's amazing. I'd never heard
Speaker 2: anyone talk about female fasting the way she does. Go
Speaker 2: with your cycle, all the information, I was like this
Speaker 2: is great because I love fasting every time. Now I
Speaker 2: knuckle down on fasting a lot more when I train
Speaker 2: hard and I'm competing, and when I compete in boxing,
Speaker 2: within eight, nine, ten months, I'm completely burnt out and
Speaker 2: I go, I don't really deal well with that training.
Speaker 2: But I'm also amping up my fasting then and then
Speaker 2: I started listening to Stacy Simms. That's why I've been
Speaker 2: going deep on her. And she is so dead against
Speaker 2: female fasting and especially if you're a female athlete, and
Speaker 2: her research is amazing around it and also avoiding carbs.
Speaker 2: So she's like, no kedo for women, Like, that's not
Speaker 2: like and all of the science is amazing, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: I feel like when I intermittent fast, I feel amazing.
Speaker 2: My body responds like that, my energy is magnificent. Ten
Speaker 2: months later, I'm in burnout.
Speaker 1: So what's her name? What's what's her first name?
Speaker 3: Mindy?
Speaker 2: Which was the fasting dtor Mindy Pels, the fasting expert. Yeah,
Speaker 2: yeahst is one.
Speaker 1: Is she the one that says women shouldn't.
Speaker 3: Should she's pro fasting?
Speaker 1: Right? I can't a lot what so let me just
Speaker 1: read a little bit about Dr Mindi pel Is the
Speaker 1: best selling author and i'd speak a nutrition and functional
Speaker 1: health expert, spent more than two decades helping thousands of
Speaker 1: people reclaim their health. Cool. Okay, And who's the other
Speaker 1: one who told you that's a no.
Speaker 3: Doctor Stacy Simms.
Speaker 2: Okay, here's one of the things that I found compelling
Speaker 2: when I was I happened to listen to some something
Speaker 2: from doctor Mindy sometime this year and it was a
Speaker 2: solo podcast and she was talking about her experience hearts
Speaker 2: of overcoming massive burnout. So here's a doctor of you know,
Speaker 2: of this space of health. And she's she's had a
Speaker 2: huge year, she's launched book, she's done all the things.
Speaker 2: But she's also and I go, well, I'm not saying
Speaker 2: that she's deliberately, but given what she does, her bias
Speaker 2: will be so strong that she won't be able to
Speaker 2: let go of. Maybe maybe fasting isn't really all that
Speaker 2: great long term, Like what are the long term things
Speaker 2: going on?
Speaker 3: What's happening?
Speaker 2: My body might my body composition might absolutely love it,
Speaker 2: and my brain might love it. But if I do
Speaker 2: it every single day for a year, what then?
Speaker 1: And also I think the question is you know, fasting
Speaker 1: or paleo or carnivore or Mediterranean or atkins pritticken fucking
Speaker 1: you know, high impact, low impact, long slow cardio, intermittent
Speaker 1: fucking interval training, fartleck fucking powerlifting. But you know, it's
Speaker 1: like the question is for who? For what? Body? Right? Like,
Speaker 1: my dad's eighty five years old? Did you see that fight?
Speaker 1: Do I put up that video of him? God bless
Speaker 1: Ron's got like twelve thousand views. N's is going to
Speaker 1: be signing fucking autographs at the more Well Leisure Center soon.
Speaker 1: He's going to be beating those motherfuckers off. Get out
Speaker 1: of here. Fuck he's got Why do I show him
Speaker 1: the video next weekend? Oh he's going to be so
Speaker 1: fucking proud he burst out of his burst out of
Speaker 1: his tracksuit with pride, his fucking target tracksuit. He'll burst
Speaker 1: right out of that motherfucker anyway. But the the thing is, like,
Speaker 1: I understand that one of the pro and I'm not
Speaker 1: talking about either of those researchers you spoke about, but
Speaker 1: in general terms, and I'd put me in this too. Right,
Speaker 1: when you are quite emphatic about, oh this is the
Speaker 1: best way to do something, you always have to say
Speaker 1: for who or for whom perhaps, right, It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: there are certain things that work really well for me,
Speaker 1: like two meals a day. I actually think what works
Speaker 1: for me would not work for most definitely wouldn't work
Speaker 1: for you, right, I would say people would be surprised
Speaker 1: to go, all right, well, Craigs an eighty five six
Speaker 1: kilogram muscular male with not much fat and tip is
Speaker 1: a sixty ish kilo muscular female with less fat, right,
Speaker 1: but twenty five kilos between eskive or take. But I
Speaker 1: would think for a range of reasons, you need more
Speaker 1: calories per day than me. Now, if you went to
Speaker 1: the hypeweight thing, the BMI thing, the fucking recommended cols
Speaker 1: per day, micro's macros, it would not tell you that
Speaker 1: it would be but it would be wrong. Right now.
Speaker 1: That's the fucking website, or that's the theoretical science. But
Speaker 1: the real world reality is the sixty year old chick
Speaker 1: needs more calories that or sorry, the sixty kilogram chick,
Speaker 1: Sorry the sixty kilogram chick, but yes she's okay with
Speaker 1: me calling her that, don't send me an email. Is
Speaker 1: needs more calories per day on average than the eighty
Speaker 1: five kilo bloke now that's not scientifically typical. But you know,
Speaker 1: this is why we need to take science, not with
Speaker 1: a grain of salt, but as a starting point. It's
Speaker 1: a starting point, you know, and one of the thing.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying anything either way, but even if
Speaker 1: we want, if you want me to prove to you
Speaker 1: how hysterical and emotional people get about science, not logical,
Speaker 1: not rational, not intellectual, just say COVID vaccine and just
Speaker 1: fucking watch the pandemonium. Just stand back and watch crazy
Speaker 1: Town on both sides and the finger pointing and the
Speaker 1: anger and the fucking bullshit, and it's like, arrest my case.
Speaker 1: It ain't about science all the time. And this from
Speaker 1: a fucking scientist. Science matters, but you still need to go. Okay,
Speaker 1: So probably and by the way, if you did TIFF's
Speaker 1: BMI and my BMI and then you look at a
Speaker 1: high weight chart for her and I, you would find, well,
Speaker 1: definitely I am overweight, heading towards obese, and probably TIFFs
Speaker 1: overweight based on her which is ridiculous because her body
Speaker 1: composition is abnormally lean. So not only is she not fat,
Speaker 1: which the calculation might show she is, she's the opposite
Speaker 1: of fat. So once again, it's just a fucking guide,
Speaker 1: you know, and like also like another example, I mean,
Speaker 1: this episode is literally about learning how to operate your body. Like,
Speaker 1: there's not many people would say, Okay, the guy who
Speaker 1: trains every day, I'm now running every day, by the way,
Speaker 1: not far, just one or two k's and I'm lifting
Speaker 1: every day, and I use a lot of brain energy.
Speaker 1: By the way, twenty percent of your total energy expenditure, everyone,
Speaker 1: listen to this for a fucking stat. Twenty percent of
Speaker 1: your total energy expenditure is from your brain, give or tape. Now, again,
Speaker 1: that's science, but the truth is that cognition, thinking, problem solving,
Speaker 1: creativity is incredibly energy expensive. So my eighty five kilo body,
Speaker 1: twenty percent of my daily energy goes on that one
Speaker 1: point three kilo lump of thing that sits in my head.
Speaker 1: That's fucking amazing too, right, Yeah, But then on top
Speaker 1: of that, you go, wow, Craig, you should definitely try
Speaker 1: eat three times a day. What happens when I eat
Speaker 1: three times a day? Like, and I'm not talking big meals,
Speaker 1: I'm talking what you would call kind of regulation and
Speaker 1: in fact, less than most dudes even at three meals
Speaker 1: a day, I gain body fat and my brain doesn't
Speaker 1: work optimally in the afternoon, Like my energy levels and
Speaker 1: my cognitive function are better when I do not eat
Speaker 1: through the day. Now is that a recommendation, No, that's biofeedback.
Speaker 1: That's my personal experience. And this is why it is
Speaker 1: incredibly important that people if you are going to see
Speaker 1: an exercise physiologist and nutritionist to fucking physiotherapist, a doctor
Speaker 1: and anything, trust them to a I'm not saying they're untrustworthy.
Speaker 1: I'm saying it's your body. Ask good questions, and if
Speaker 1: they fob you off, go get another doctor who doesn't
Speaker 1: or trainer or whatever. Because when someone says to me
Speaker 1: you need to do that, I'm like, cool, Why well
Speaker 1: why tell me? Why tell me the mechanism, tell me
Speaker 1: the reason, and then if it makes sense to me,
Speaker 1: you know, like, ultimately, I need to take ownership for
Speaker 1: my body one and two what I do to my body,
Speaker 1: or maybe three what I allow others to do to
Speaker 1: my body, because at the end of the day, I've
Speaker 1: got to live in this fucking thing. And I personally
Speaker 1: have been given advice over the years that was wrong
Speaker 1: for me, and I did it because I trusted them
Speaker 1: more than myself, and I ended up getting sick or
Speaker 1: you know whatever, or injured or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 1: And by the way, none of those people were trying
Speaker 1: to do the wrong thing. But you know, even well
Speaker 1: intentioned people do not understand your body totally because they
Speaker 1: work with a range of bodies, you know.
Speaker 2: So it was like, well, you know, back in that
Speaker 2: at that first fight, when I had a ridiculous amount
Speaker 2: lower amount of iron in my body, he was like,
Speaker 2: I don't even know how you're training.
Speaker 3: You've got no iron.
Speaker 2: And when I went to get my blood so they
Speaker 2: were fight bloods, and he's like, you got no iron.
Speaker 3: I go, I didn't you test the iron? He goes, no,
Speaker 3: I tested the iron.
Speaker 2: You got no iron. I don't even know how you're training.
Speaker 2: And I was like wow, oh right, And then he
Speaker 2: gave me iron infusions. And then months later I went
Speaker 2: to another doctor and had blood's done and he was like, ah,
Speaker 2: your iron is ten times higher than it should be.
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, doctor x y Z gave
Speaker 2: me some mind infusued he goes, did he do it
Speaker 2: by weight? I'm like, he goes, did he test why
Speaker 2: you had that lower iron? In the first I go,
Speaker 2: not right that, Like they're doctors, they should be looking
Speaker 2: into that. Someone should be But when you don't know,
Speaker 2: you just go okay, oh thanks, yeah, give me an infusion. Done, tick,
Speaker 2: move on.
Speaker 1: I heard I heard the very polarizing Jordan Peterson. So
Speaker 1: forget his politics or whatever, folks, but just from a
Speaker 1: personal experience, I heard him talking about he only eats meat.
Speaker 1: Did you know that? No, Yeah, he only eats meat.
Speaker 1: He's a carnival, like, doesn't even eat vegetables. Right, But
Speaker 1: he had all of these conditions, all of these inflammatory conditions,
Speaker 1: like problems with his teeth and his gums, and even
Speaker 1: mental health issues because he got addicted to this painkiller.
Speaker 1: I think it was in Europe anyway, I heard him talking. Also,
Speaker 1: his daughter Mikayla has significant issues. Maybe they have a
Speaker 1: few green veggies or something, but they definitely they eat carbs,
Speaker 1: starchy carbs, and I'm pretty sure only meat, meat, and
Speaker 1: like salt. Right now, would I recommend that to anyone? Fuck?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Would I eat like that? Fuck nah? That is so
Speaker 1: not appealing to me. But I think for three or
Speaker 1: four years he's done that, and all of his health
Speaker 1: markers are through the roof right Now, that's not science,
Speaker 1: that's that's an anecdotal case, an equus one. But I
Speaker 1: mean he's not an idiot, he's a PhD. He's a
Speaker 1: very intelligent man. Love him, I hate him, and you go,
Speaker 1: this is my point. My point is not we should
Speaker 1: all do that. My point is we shouldn't all, you know,
Speaker 1: become boxes or fucking bullfed bodybuilders or you know. But
Speaker 1: the thing is this arbitrary, inflexible kind of way of
Speaker 1: thinking that no, that doesn't work for bodies. No, that
Speaker 1: doesn't work for somebodies, you know, and then you know
Speaker 1: for you that that kind of you know, when you
Speaker 1: go to two experts who basically give you very different
Speaker 1: information within a short period of time about your own physiology,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like then you kind of go, who
Speaker 1: the fuck do I believe?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's who I believe?
Speaker 2: Right, yes, making decisions like and you know what I
Speaker 2: find interest. There's a lot of different diets out there,
Speaker 2: and as soon as someone has a result, they they
Speaker 2: want to be an advocate of it, which is which
Speaker 2: is great, But how much of that is just validation?
Speaker 2: But how many people that are on these radical diets
Speaker 2: like carnival. How many of them started by first just
Speaker 2: fucking off processed foods and going, you know, I'm just
Speaker 2: going to eat whole foods. I'm just going to start there.
Speaker 2: Test that first, because there you go from eating anything
Speaker 2: and everything to only meet. Of course, whatever you cut out,
Speaker 2: there's a portion of it that's going to be the culprit.
Speaker 2: He's going to have a result of making you feel better.
Speaker 2: Of course, when people do that, no one comes to
Speaker 2: me and says, I'm carnival. I spent a year just
Speaker 2: eating no processed food and that didn't work.
Speaker 1: Upset Well, even when you think of things that people
Speaker 1: now consider fucking miracle cures like ozenpic you go, okay,
Speaker 1: so what does ozepic do? Ah? Well, I mean it
Speaker 1: does a few things from a mechanism point of view
Speaker 1: that aren't very fucking attractive some of them. But one
Speaker 1: of the things that it does do it suppresses hunger.
Speaker 1: Oh and what's the consequence of that? Are you eat less? Ah?
Speaker 1: So people are losing weight? Hang on because they're reducing calories. Yeah. Ah, well,
Speaker 1: here's a question. Is it possible to reduce calories just
Speaker 1: by reducing calories? And before you send me an email. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, it's easier said than done. I get it,
Speaker 1: of course. I mean, do you know what fucking makes
Speaker 1: me laugh? As when I put up a post and
Speaker 1: someone writes easier said than done, I'm like, of course
Speaker 1: you fuck with of course, it's everything is literally easier
Speaker 1: said than done, you know. I mean, here's an idea,
Speaker 1: and I know it's hard, and I know it's not convenient,
Speaker 1: and I know it's not easy. I get it. But
Speaker 1: if you just reduce your calories and you increase your
Speaker 1: calorie expenditure, you're going to lose weight, you know. And yes,
Speaker 1: there's a few rare exceptions, and we're putting aside people
Speaker 1: with ridiculous not ridiculous, but rare hormonal. But for the
Speaker 1: most part, the average punter, you know. But again, this
Speaker 1: is not glamorous, quick, fun, sexy.
Speaker 3: It's also a process of elimination.
Speaker 2: Like food, there's always it, there's your physiological effort, affect
Speaker 2: your emotional, your psychological attachment with food.
Speaker 3: So that whole.
Speaker 2: Intimate and fasting thing. For me, one of the things
Speaker 2: I loved about it, aside from just energy, is my
Speaker 2: relationship with food is so much better when I can
Speaker 2: get up and fast and then eat in an eight
Speaker 2: hour window. Right that just I'm known to obsess over food.
Speaker 2: I can be really obsessive and bingey. I can eat
Speaker 2: and I'll you know, once I start, it's like I
Speaker 2: won't put it down. So then my next thing is, well,
Speaker 2: now if I'm not going to fast because I've I
Speaker 2: don't think that's doing my body good. Now I have
Speaker 2: to look at other reasons. Why how do I now
Speaker 2: control my hunger hornbones without just wrestling with it and
Speaker 2: going on, Well, that's just it. It's like no one else.
Speaker 2: Another thing that in that book that came up today
Speaker 2: was talking about gut health and how feeding different. You
Speaker 2: know people, they're talking about people that love chocolate, and
Speaker 2: chocolate feeds a certain type of bacteria, and then that
Speaker 2: bacteria is a colony inside your gut. And then when
Speaker 2: you cut sugar out or chocolate or whatever, the food
Speaker 2: is the craving subsidet. So it's like, oh, so then
Speaker 2: you start to understand it from this the biology of
Speaker 2: what you're eating, You go, oh, that might shift. Maybe
Speaker 2: I can do some gut stuff. Maybe I can see
Speaker 2: someone that can boost that part of my biology and
Speaker 2: make it a little bit easier, and then I cannot
Speaker 2: intermit fast and still have an easier time with food.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, oh look I mean the truth and the
Speaker 1: this is Craig the EmPATH here of course, like losing
Speaker 1: weight is not easy, and I've never said it's easy,
Speaker 1: but it's possible, like this is the good news, you know,
Speaker 1: and like it's like I don't want to be I
Speaker 1: met this guy today, right who maybe you know I
Speaker 1: don't take on new coaching clients. A lovely guy. He's
Speaker 1: got a bit of work to do when he knows that, right,
Speaker 1: And he's like really wants me to coach him. And
Speaker 1: I said, I'm not going to say yes right now.
Speaker 1: He's gone away, he's gone away tonight for a few weeks.
Speaker 1: I said, I want you to think about it. I said,
Speaker 1: but if you're interested in like if what you want
Speaker 1: is me to be you to see me once a
Speaker 1: week and I'm a little bit of a personal cheer squad,
Speaker 1: and I tell you you're awesome and you're trying hard.
Speaker 1: I go, I'm not that guy, like I'm interested in
Speaker 1: you over the next five, ten, twenty years, really changing
Speaker 1: how you know your mind, body, emotions work, because he
Speaker 1: needs to and he knows that I'm interested in your
Speaker 1: long term kind of quality of life and performance and experience,
Speaker 1: and you're being happy content for all that, right, I'm
Speaker 1: not interested in making you feel good for five minutes
Speaker 1: in the middle of a chat. And it's like, we
Speaker 1: are very in our culture. And I'm generalizing so not
Speaker 1: all of our listeners, of course, but you know, we
Speaker 1: are so addicted to comfort and people telling us we're
Speaker 1: amazing and validating our fear. And I understand all of that,
Speaker 1: and we need to be loving, kind of empathetic. But
Speaker 1: you know, there have been times in my life where
Speaker 1: I needed someone to go, you've been a fucking idiot,
Speaker 1: because I was being a fucking idiot, right. I just
Speaker 1: was like, I wish that there was a person in
Speaker 1: my life. And there have been a few who have
Speaker 1: Thank you to those people, but who kind of called
Speaker 1: me on my bullshit, you know. And I told this
Speaker 1: story once or twice. But an old guy that I
Speaker 1: used to really look up to and love, he when
Speaker 1: I was very young. He and he was real smart,
Speaker 1: real wise. He said to me, you need to be
Speaker 1: careful what you do with your mouth, because you're going
Speaker 1: to bring people down or raise them up, and he goes,
Speaker 1: you have a gift and you have a responsibility. What
Speaker 1: you do with your mouth, what you choose to do,
Speaker 1: is very important. And nobody had ever spoken to me
Speaker 1: like that because I was a smart ass and I
Speaker 1: could make people laugh or I could fucking slice and
Speaker 1: dice them with my words, right, and I didn't want
Speaker 1: to do that, but if somebody would have a go
Speaker 1: at me, it was like somebody would throw one punch,
Speaker 1: I would throw forty six, right, And that was just
Speaker 1: about my bullshit. And he said that to me, and
Speaker 1: he goes, you can spend your life bringing people down
Speaker 1: or up. It's a choice. And that changed my life.
Speaker 1: But you know, I had to be told that, and
Speaker 1: somebody had to go to me. You know, he didn't
Speaker 1: say this because he's too nice, but like you're being
Speaker 1: a fuck with being a fuck, you know. And even
Speaker 1: times when there were times when I had to say
Speaker 1: to myself, Craig, you're not fat because you're fucking thick set,
Speaker 1: full figure, Craig, you're fat because you're just overeating. You're
Speaker 1: just overeating, you know. And I'm not saying anyone else,
Speaker 1: so don't get upset. I'm talking about myself. But like
Speaker 1: when I was morbidly obese, which I was as a
Speaker 1: child then later as an adult. Right, I was one
Speaker 1: hundred and seven kilos in my late twenties, right, which
Speaker 1: is nelly, What is that? It's third? What is that
Speaker 1: thirty two kilos three kilos heavier than now? And it's
Speaker 1: because I was eating shit. It wasn't it wasn't genetically predetermined,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't like, Oh fucking woe is me. I
Speaker 1: was just being a dickhead with food. I was eating
Speaker 1: way too much. I was eating bad food. I was
Speaker 1: eating too much food and the consequence. And that's not
Speaker 1: self loathing, that's just honesty, that's just harps. You're doing
Speaker 1: this thing, and this is the result. Now you can
Speaker 1: jump up and down. You can talk about your genetics,
Speaker 1: you can you can talk about the business dinners that
Speaker 1: you have to go to. You can talk about how
Speaker 1: busy you are and how you don't have time to
Speaker 1: prep meals. You can and then but you're still fucking fat, Right,
Speaker 1: you can like and at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: for me, anyway, that works for me. Obviously, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to walk up to someone and talk like that ever. Right,
Speaker 1: But the truth is the truth. If you're wasting your talent,
Speaker 1: you're wasting your talent. So don't get upset at me
Speaker 1: because you're the one wasting it, you know, if you're
Speaker 1: bullshitting and saying it's a time thing when it's a
Speaker 1: you thing. Also, don't get mad at me if it
Speaker 1: actually is a you thing. If it isn't a you thing,
Speaker 1: then I'm wrong and you're right. That's cool, carry on,
Speaker 1: But don't spend your life rationalizing failure and underachievement and
Speaker 1: underperformance and wasted potential because you actually don't want to
Speaker 1: own your own actions or your own choices or your
Speaker 1: own behaviors. Like you know, you're never going to have
Speaker 1: more talent than you've got right now, tif, I'm never
Speaker 1: going to have more talent than I've got. I can
Speaker 1: get more skill, I can get more efficiency, I can
Speaker 1: get maybe a bit more muscle, I can get a
Speaker 1: bit more knowledge, I can get a bit more qualified,
Speaker 1: but I can't get more talented. So the question is
Speaker 1: how much of my talent will I use? And I
Speaker 1: think that's all potential genetic potential, creative potential, intellectual potential,
Speaker 1: business potential, personal professional, Like I tried real hard and
Speaker 1: I'm nowhere near my limit, you know, So you know
Speaker 1: that's what fascinates me.
Speaker 2: I was talking to a girl yesterday and did eight
Speaker 2: years eighteen years as gymnast, and we were talking about
Speaker 2: gymnasts and body image and identity and what's in. I
Speaker 2: talked about how I remember when I was first started boxing,
Speaker 2: super lean and ripped and crazy.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I used to say, like, I'm so glad people used
Speaker 2: to say to me, you should do bodybuild and get
Speaker 2: on stage like you're already like you could just get
Speaker 2: on stage tomorrow with this bray tand and I was like,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't stick to the diet plan. I have no
Speaker 2: interest in being that strict with my diet because I
Speaker 2: just want to eat what I want to eat. But
Speaker 2: I used to say, I'm so glad that that body
Speaker 2: is just to reaper cut of the thing that I
Speaker 2: love doing that much that I do it. And that's
Speaker 2: an easy thing to think about yourself. But at times
Speaker 2: when I wasn't able to train, or times when I
Speaker 2: didn't feel that way about my body, it was like, oh,
Speaker 2: like there's sometimes you aren't bullshitting yourself too, Like, you know,
Speaker 2: I wasn't always that and then sometimes I was driven.
Speaker 2: In fact, it's easy to say, like I've got great
Speaker 2: genetics and I've always been really active, but there's been
Speaker 2: bouts of times in my life where I eat to
Speaker 2: move and move to eat where I go and chastise myself.
Speaker 2: And like before I started sport, I would be go
Speaker 2: haul off to the gym because I'd just overeating a
Speaker 2: whole bunch of shit, because the idea of putting on
Speaker 2: weight was fucking a non event, like you know so,
Speaker 2: and I spent a lot of and but would never
Speaker 2: fully admit that to myself. There were just bouts of that,
Speaker 2: and then you get into a sport and you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: I don't you know body image. Look at those bodybuilders
Speaker 2: that obsess over food. I'm just this is just you
Speaker 2: know ah. And then next minute, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think the core messages here are one body awareness.
Speaker 1: Two more broadly, self awareness, uh, self regulation, and self control.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, we all that's the ever present
Speaker 1: challenge for all of us. And self control might be
Speaker 1: with how you speak to people, it might be with
Speaker 1: how you spend your money. It might be with how
Speaker 1: much television you watch, or how much study you're getting done.
Speaker 1: Or you know, how you're responding to criticism. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like and that's the thing, you know, It's like,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is going to sound cheesy, but that's
Speaker 1: literally why I called this show that you project, you know,
Speaker 1: because it's like that is I'm the project, You're the
Speaker 1: we are the project. In my life. You know, my
Speaker 1: biggest challenge will always be me. My biggest asset and
Speaker 1: problem will be me, my ability to make good decisions,
Speaker 1: my ability to manage myself. Before I try to even
Speaker 1: have any impact on anyone else's life, I need to
Speaker 1: make sure that I'm I'm not a fuck up, I'm
Speaker 1: not a fraud, that I am walking my talk. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like I said to this dude today, you know
Speaker 1: what I did love about this dude today? He sits
Speaker 1: down and he goes, so I'm a narcissist. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my god. You know, I don't think any man
Speaker 1: has ever sat down I go go on and he goes.
Speaker 1: I know, he goes, I'm full of ego, I'm insecure.
Speaker 1: I do things for attention. I'm like, well, you're a
Speaker 1: pretty fucking evolved narcissist, right, Like that's and I'm like
Speaker 1: I was. I said, you know what, and he and
Speaker 1: you'd think, oh, he's not a narcissist then because he's
Speaker 1: but then and he is. But he wants to like
Speaker 1: he was brave enough to go, this is what I
Speaker 1: do and how I am and it creates problems, like
Speaker 1: it is just at that point where he's gone, it's
Speaker 1: I know what I do and I recognize the problems
Speaker 1: that it creates and I need help. I'm like, wow,
Speaker 1: that's that. I don't know that anyone has ever said
Speaker 1: that to me, So fucking go, you go, you know,
Speaker 1: I love that. I love it when men can be
Speaker 1: a bit like, I'm the problem, so by the way,
Speaker 1: I'm the problem. Cool, good work, so well done. That's
Speaker 1: awareness and acknowledgment. Step one. Fucking pat on the back.
Speaker 1: All right, let's go, motherfucker, let's be better.
Speaker 3: You know, he wouldn't have lied you not saying yes
Speaker 3: straight away and.
Speaker 2: Then haaps what that is? It's a training him, the
Speaker 2: coaching him.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, no, well I don't you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: for me, coaching people's are sweet because I want to
Speaker 1: help people, but I don't want people then to become
Speaker 1: dependent on that help.
Speaker 2: But I don't think that's coaching. So coaching leaves them
Speaker 2: with more tools than they came with.
Speaker 1: Yeah that theoretically, yes, but that isn't how it plays
Speaker 1: out with a lot of coaches and trainers. You're right,
Speaker 1: you're right, But I also know some people who have
Speaker 1: had the same psychologists, coach, fucking trainer for ten years.
Speaker 1: My dude, if you still need to go, it's not
Speaker 1: the best model, you know. So, Hey, that was interesting,
Speaker 1: Look at us go.
Speaker 3: Who needs a plan?
Speaker 1: Ah? Who needs a plan?
Speaker 2: Hey?
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