WEBVTT - What Erin Molan learnt from losing everything 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:11.280 Hello, and welcome to Something to Talk About, the Stella Podcast. 0:00:11.400 --> 0:00:12.960 I'm Sarah La Marquin, your. 0:00:12.840 --> 0:00:15.240 Host, and every week I sit down with some of. 0:00:15.240 --> 0:00:17.799 The biggest names in the country because when. 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:20.720 Australia's celebrities are ready to talk, they come to Something 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:25.400 to talk about. Last year, Aaron Molan lost every job 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:29.240 she had. She'd always believe that without those roles she 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:33.040 was nuhy, But once her greatest fear was realized, she 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:34.920 discovered something unexpected. 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:36.520 So I should probably be more. 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:39.720 Of a shell of my former self, but I'm a 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:42.320 complete opposite. I've never felt more confident, I've never felt 0:00:42.360 --> 0:00:45.000 more excited, and I've never felt less scared. 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:49.559 Two years ago, Aaron lost her beloved father, Senator Jim Moland, 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:53.239 to cancer. Regular listeners of this podcast will remember my 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:57.280 emotional conversation with her later that year, speaking about grief, 0:00:57.560 --> 0:01:02.480 love and legacy. Then in twenty twenty four came another reckoning, 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:04.280 this time with her career. 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:07.360 So this year, Aaron has made. 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:10.360 A decision that she's never working for anyone else again, 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:13.720 and today she's here to announce a new move, a 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:17.440 role with US based Salem Network, a media platform back 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:21.480 by members of the Trump family. On today's episode, Aaron 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:24.520 opens up about why she believes getting on Donald Trump's 0:01:24.560 --> 0:01:28.280 bad side would be the ultimate compliment, the real story 0:01:28.360 --> 0:01:32.360 behind those high profile job losses, why she's not planning 0:01:32.400 --> 0:01:36.600 on manifesting a man anytime soon, and the heartbreaking reason 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:41.040 she doesn't see a wedding in her future. Aeron Moland, 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:43.080 welcome back to the Stellar Podcast. 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:45.520 Thank you very much. It's so lovely to see you 0:01:45.560 --> 0:01:47.520 and lovely to be here, so thank you for having me. 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:48.400 The last time you. 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:50.400 And I sat down, it was in a different studio. 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:53.080 I feel like every time we talk it's a different studio. 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:55.800 Similar to my life and anfl for life. 0:01:56.200 --> 0:01:58.880 A lot has changed. It was the beginning of last year, 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:02.840 so early twenty twenty four, and a lot of order 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:05.080 under that breach for you and I to unpack. But 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:08.320 I want to start off with some news that you're 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:11.560 here to announce you're starting a new role I believe 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:12.799 with Salor Media. 0:02:12.919 --> 0:02:13.560 What can you tell? 0:02:14.960 --> 0:02:17.440 So I've just signed with Salor Media, which is a 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:21.600 big media company in the US, and it's been two 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:24.359 or three months in the works, which is it's been 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:27.200 a little bit of a process, but a really exciting one. 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:30.040 And I'm essentially doing three shows a week for them. 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:34.480 They have a podcast network, radio network, and a television network, 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:37.760 so I'll be appearing on all three of those over there. 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:42.320 And it's the same company that hosts Charlie Kirk Scott Jennings, 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:45.600 who came to prominence on CNN Lara Trump Show is 0:02:45.639 --> 0:02:48.400 on there as well. Donald Trump Junior's just invested very 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:51.160 heavily in it. So it's really exciting and it really 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:53.960 fits into the kind of content that I'm producing at 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:55.919 the moment, which is a lot of overseas stuff, a 0:02:55.960 --> 0:02:58.320 lot of US politics, a lot of war in the 0:02:58.320 --> 0:03:01.639 Middle East, war in Europe, stuff that I'm very passionate 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:06.520 about and really enjoy covering. So yeah, it's amazing. It's 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:10.520 it sounds like a dream job. But I'm old enough 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:13.160 and ugly enough now to understand that that doesn't mean 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:17.080 it always works out. So look, I'm excited, I'm realistic 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:19.760 about it, and I'm just really eager to get started. 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:21.520 Where do you. 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:25.240 Base yourself for something like that. You're obviously you're a mom, 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:28.920 a single mom. You are living in Sydney. Will you 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:32.480 be moving to the US for this or do you 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:33.480 have to back and forth. 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:36.920 I mean, then that's quite a commute from Australia to 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:37.880 the States. 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:42.080 I think I've done twelve overseas trips this year, so 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:44.840 I'm getting very, very used to going to places. I 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:47.000 was in South Africa last week two and a half 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:49.280 nights on the ground. I'll go to la for a night, 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:51.880 I'll go to Israel for a night. So look, I 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:54.640 definitely won't be moving there, and I think initially there 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:57.280 was a few opportunities for me to move over at 0:03:57.280 --> 0:04:00.400 the start of this year, but if I was still 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:03.560 with my daughter's father it will be much easier prospect. 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:08.280 But definitely not moving anyway. It would be way too 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:10.040 difficult and I would not ever want to take her 0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:12.680 away from her dad. And I love Australia and the 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:17.680 beauty of the current media landscape is that you can essentially. 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:18.400 Do most things from anywhere. 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:22.680 So I built a studio in my spare bedroom at home, 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:25.520 so it's amazing I can do everything from there. I 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:27.719 can do interviews remotely, and then for the kind of 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:29.440 bigger ones I'll travel. 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:30.120 I'll get in a. 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:33.000 Plane and go somewhere for a night and then come home, 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:35.840 which is more mother guilt than necessity if I'm being 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:38.440 completely honest. But I feel like if I spent longer 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:40.159 on the ground and people say, oh, I'll stay for 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:42.560 a few days, I just sit there feeling guilty that 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:46.400 I wasn't back at home. So I'll base myself definitely 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:51.520 in Australia. For bigger interviews and bigger projects, I'll travel. Otherwise, 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:56.000 I'll essentially work out of my closet slash spare bedroom, 0:04:56.360 --> 0:04:58.160 which I've been doing a lot of over the last 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:00.760 six months or so, which is perfect for me. I 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:04.680 feel very blessed. It's honestly, it just I feel like 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:06.039 it's all worked out as it should have. 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:08.799 Let me ask you a little bit about your audience, 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:12.240 because obviously the beginnings of your career was very much 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:16.240 really as a sports reporter on broadcast television, and then 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:18.599 of course started doing radio. And we'll talk a little 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:21.080 bit about some of these things that you're talking about, 0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:24.839 the pivots that have happened, but I just generally interested 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:28.520 in how many of your current audience do you think 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:31.720 live overseas as opposed to Australia. You have obviously huge 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:35.039 following in Australia and particularly on your social media, but 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:38.719 with your profile growing in the States, and obviously that's 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:43.119 what Salem Media have seen something there that how many 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:46.600 people working for Salem Media are international? Are you one 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:49.840 of the few people from overseas well? 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:52.600 Definitely the only person in Australia and I think potentially 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:55.440 overseas as well. I actually went to go on to 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:57.800 other website to just have a look at a few 0:05:57.800 --> 0:05:59.840 of the different shows and I wasn't able to access 0:05:59.839 --> 0:06:01.800 it from Australia, which I hap to email them and say, hey, 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:04.039 we might need to fix this up as as quickly 0:06:04.080 --> 0:06:07.479 as possible. So what I'm doing is very unique for 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:11.120 them as well. But they look at my audience and 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:13.479 they see what I'm doing, and it's in terms of 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:17.400 percentage of audience. I would say when I'm doing something 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:20.520 now like I didn't even cover the Australian election essentially, 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:23.920 and I'm doing multiple videos a week, and that's for 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:28.840 no other reason other than I'm now almost entirely targeting 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:32.479 that US audience. And even just the style that I 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:36.080 do and the way that I put things together, the rhetoric, 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:39.599 my language. I mean, I'm quite ausy in my humor. 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:42.359 Sometimes they don't understand my sarcasm. We'll have people comment 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:45.000 on videos and say oh no, no, no, they actually didn't, 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:46.960 and I'm like, no, I know that I'm being psarcastic. 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:50.560 It's Australian humor, but I suspect at the moment. And look, 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:52.680 we've got a lot of metrics. And I work with 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:55.400 a guy in New York who's incredible, who's been doing 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:57.440 this with me the entire time. He's coming with me 0:06:57.520 --> 0:07:00.080 to Salem to work with me there, which will be amazing. 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:03.440 But we are vast majority now US audience, So I 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:06.719 think over sixty percent of my current audience is all 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:07.440 US based. 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:10.240 I know Meghan Kelly is a name that Salem have 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:13.920 brought up in recruiting you and signing you. Do you 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:16.480 have role models? If so, would she be one of them? 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:18.120 How to feel about that comparison? 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:19.960 A look, I think. 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:24.400 Again, I say, old enough and ugly enough to not 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:31.480 get over excited by anything anymore. Maybe jaded, maybe damaged. No, look, 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:36.320 it's incredibly flattering in that she's a phenomenal broadcaster. She's incredible. 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:38.240 I think I'm very different to her in a lot 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:40.880 of ways. I was I caught up with Linda Yakarino, 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:42.640 who was the head of x over in New York 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:45.800 last month, and she's become quite a good friend of 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:47.480 mine and she knows Meghan quite well, and we were 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:49.960 both talking about the kind of differences in our style. 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:52.400 I think, you know, similar in some ways, but I 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:55.800 think I'm a much more emotional person she's you know, 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:58.400 I can be scathing as well in my assessments on things, 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:01.840 but I also have a side where I deeply feel things, 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:04.760 whereas she's I think, much more clinical in what she does. 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:09.120 But she's amazing. You know, she covers things like what 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:12.960 Lauren Sanchez wore to the inauguration, and she'll also cover 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:16.000 you know, the war in Ukraine. In that She's got 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:17.560 a lot of breadth to her, a lot of depth, 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:19.080 and I'm excited. 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:21.040 I think it's such a new world out there. 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:24.200 And for me, I remember when Piers Morgan went just 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:27.800 to YouTube and we had him on radio, and I 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:30.640 mean in a way Hughesy and I kind of, you know, 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:32.800 we were chatting afterwards and going, you know, it still 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:35.160 feels like if you're going to that space, then you 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:37.280 can't hack it in real media. You know, you can't 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:40.160 make it in real media. And now clearly am I 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:43.920 attitude towards it has changed entirely in that I look 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:46.080 back at what I was doing in more legacy media 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:50.839 and mainstream media, and the biggest audience that I got 0:08:51.160 --> 0:08:53.800 was cutups of that that were then shared on socials 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:56.120 by other people. And I look at the way I 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:58.560 consume news now, in the way I consume content, and 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:01.040 it's almost I mean, I'll watch Fox News at home, 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:04.439 it's basically the only thing I watch, but I'll consume 0:09:04.559 --> 0:09:08.120 ninety nine percent of content on my handset, on social media, 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:13.280 on YouTube, on x So the world is changing significantly, 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:15.920 and a lot of organizations same is here a pivoting 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:20.000 and they're keeping up with it. But it's a world 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:21.959 that if you're willing to take a risk and you're 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:24.920 willing to put yourself out there, which regardless of what's 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:27.080 happened to me in my career, I've never shied away 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:29.760 from taking an opportunity and putting myself out there. And 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:32.520 I'll always do that, and I'll do it more robustly 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:35.600 now than ever before, which is probably quite strange given 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:38.200 what happened last year, which was I lost every job 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:41.920 that I had, so I should probably be more more 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:43.760 of a shell of my former self. But I'm the 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:46.360 complete opposite. I've never felt more confident, I've never felt 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:49.640 more excited, and I've never felt less scared, which is 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:50.920 quite strange to me. 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:52.800 What do you put that down to? 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:58.920 I think for twenty years in the media, and I 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:02.920 started out in television at twenty one, now forty one, 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:05.800 I didn't quite realize until I lost. And I say 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:08.080 I lost everything last year. I didn't at all. I 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:10.920 did not at all, but professionally I lost every role 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:12.480 that I had from the start of the year till 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:18.040 the end, lost every role. And once that happened, it 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:20.720 dawned upon me how miserable I had been, and not 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:23.400 because I hadn't had amazing jobs or i'd loved moments 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:26.720 of them. I had entirely, But I had lived crippled 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:29.320 by fear that entire time. And it was only once 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:33.760 I lost everything, every job, that I realized that I 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:37.880 was actually okay, and I realized that what I'd been 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:40.200 terrified of, which was if this doesn't work out, if 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:43.640 this doesn't rate, if I get sacked, then I'm nothing 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:46.880 and I have no worth and value and people won't 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:49.560 like me. I won't be able to get another job, 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:53.000 I will have failed. My fear of failure was so massive. 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:56.319 And then when it all happened, and then the last one, 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:58.400 when Sky happened, I you know, I had an hour. 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:02.560 I was like, holy shit, oh my god, because you know, 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:06.360 it was funny when radio ended. It was kind of thought, well, 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:08.040 you know, maybe I'm not that suited to talking about 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:09.880 Taylor Swift in the morning. You know, maybe that's not 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:12.200 my thing. And that's okay. But I remember saying to 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:13.839 my daughter. I went to pick her up, and when 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:16.959 I taught her about radio ending, and she looked at me, 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:21.320 she goes, what happens if Sky end your show too? 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:24.360 And I was like, don't be silly, honey, mummy's amazing 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:26.559 on the sky. And then about two months later I 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:27.240 went to pick her up. 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:29.239 I'm like, guess what happened. 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:31.440 You know, it's I can laugh about it now, but 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:34.240 at the time it was it was, yeah, it was. 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:38.000 It was really difficult, absolutely, but again I had an hour. 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:40.160 I went, oh my gosh, what am I going to do? 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:44.600 And then I suddenly went, wait a minute, I have 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:47.559 an audience, and if it's not here, then it's definitely 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:51.600 over there. And I have value, and even if other 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:54.800 people don't see it, or if a certain section of 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:56.040 people don't see it, that's fine. 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:58.000 No one has value to everyone. You know. 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:01.280 Donald Trump's a president and a shitload of people can't 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:04.400 stand him. You know, people who are immensely talented have 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:07.000 a shitload of people who can't stand them. People who have, 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:11.800 you know, insane ability in a certain field have failed 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:15.480 in twenty other fields. And for some reason, I kind 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:18.280 of thought, Okay, well, I write everything I do. My 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:23.280 monologues go viral every week online. I'm getting people overseas 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:26.760 who are big time broadcasters who are sharing them. Maybe 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:29.920 I don't need that legacy media. I don't need that platform. 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:33.760 And it dawned to me that actually, I'm going to 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:35.760 be okay, and I need to back myself. And for 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:38.320 some reason, and I should have been in the fetal 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:40.560 position in the corner for some reason. You know, I 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:43.200 had my moment of panic and my moment of fear 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:45.679 and my moment of oh my gosh, what are people 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:49.400 going to think? And then I went, okay, But I'm 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:51.679 actually okay, and I'm alive, and I've got a healthy, 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:53.880 beautiful daughter, and I've got a family who love me, 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:57.120 and I still believe in myself and I still believe 0:12:57.160 --> 0:13:01.640 in what I can do. And from then on I 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:04.080 had this just weight off my shoulders and I felt 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:07.720 my chest just it had been tight for twenty years. 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:12.240 And every every time I I, you know, ratings, radio ratings, 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:14.560 when we you know, we doubled our ratings, and it 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:16.480 was the greatest feeling in the world, and You're on 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:18.920 top of the world. And that would last about twenty 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:21.679 two seconds for me before I would then go into 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:23.960 this space of but what if they dropped next time? 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:27.000 Same as Sky, I'd look at the ratings. My show 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:28.880 was number one for four weeks in a row, and 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:31.200 I was on top of the world, But after each 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:32.360 single one, did I enjoy it? 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:33.240 And of course I didn't. 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:35.960 I suddenly then went into this space of but that 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:38.840 might change, and what if it does, and what happens then? 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:41.360 And then yeah, when everything went, I kind of went 0:13:41.480 --> 0:13:44.559 I'm not afraid anymore of losing things or of people 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:47.520 thinking that I've failed, because it's all part of life, 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:49.400 you know, you should be I failed. Daily, I'll do 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:52.320 a video that doesn't resonate, doesn't matter. The next day, 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:55.120 I'll do one that goes viral the next two days, 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:57.360 I might do one that doesn't resonate again, and it 0:13:57.440 --> 0:14:00.720 just it doesn't matter. I put myself there. I will 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:03.120 try harder than anyone else. And I'm not going to 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:05.840 be ashamed of that either. You know, I've been shamed 0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:08.880 in the past for trying too hard, or for working 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:13.240 too hard, or for trying to do big things, and 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:15.679 it's well, no, sorry, but I will try to do 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:17.400 big things for the rest of my life. And if 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:20.120 one in a hundred of them come off, then amazing. 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:22.320 And when the other night in nine Jane, I can 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:25.200 look at my little girl and say, mummy tried a 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:27.920 mummy back to herself, and Mummy's really proud, and I am. 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:29.880 I'm proud of everything that I've done. 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:33.600 That realization that none. 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:36.160 Of us can be all things to all people. Everyone 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:40.560 fails every single day, every single one of us. As 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:43.280 you say, it doesn't matter who you are, the most 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:48.200 globally renowned person through to an obscure person. Everyone's got 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:50.760 people that love them and are chamboning them, and everyone's 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:53.600 got people that, oh I'm winching about that person as 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:55.480 soon as they turn their head, whether it's on a 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:59.560 macro scale on social or just within the corridors of 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:02.840 an offic that realization that I'm okay, I'm not going 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:05.840 to be measured by that. I'm also thinking about some 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:08.160 of the work that you have done throughout your career 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:11.200 in in trolling. You were one of the people that 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:13.800 were very much at the forefront of that conversation that's 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:17.080 now become very mainstream about social media and the way 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:20.440 that we conduct ourselves and the tone there and the 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:21.760 way that we. 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:23.680 Really go after people. 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:27.880 Is that extended eron to that belief in yourself and 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:29.280 that little bit of immunity. 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:33.440 I thought rug was bad. I had no idea, and. 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:37.760 The long time politics, you'll have a challenge, don't you 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:41.880 a rugby league and then get into politics. 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:42.280 Just got my mother. 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:44.280 I remember her saying back to me in the day, 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:47.240 you know, the public service would just be so lovely 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:50.560 for you, and I'm sure it would be, but I've just, 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:55.040 for whatever reason, easy has never appealed to me. I'm 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:57.200 my father's daughter in so many ways, and he was 0:15:57.240 --> 0:16:00.000 exactly the same. And when I say easy, by the way, 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:01.840 I know that being the public service is not easy 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:03.920 in any way. But she was kind of saying as 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:07.240 opposed to this kind of very public life that I 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:10.480 find myself in and the highs and lows of it. 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:13.600 It's so interesting when I think back to the Online 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:16.680 Safety Act and Aaron's Law, as former Prime Minister Scott 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:19.600 Morrison called it at the time, and I think back 0:16:19.640 --> 0:16:22.040 to interviews that I did where I was very emotional 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:25.520 about the abuse that I was receiving and the death 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:28.800 threats and not even and I remember back then I 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:32.960 would always focus more on that because I didn't want 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:34.840 to appear to be weak and vulnerable and. 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:36.280 Be hurt by just mean comments. You know. 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:40.480 I was very very particular about that. It's so interesting 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:43.520 now because a kid, you not, apart from the things 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:46.160 that are legitimate in terms of the safety of myself 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:51.880 and my daughter, there is not one thing, apart from 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:55.080 again the safety of myself and my daughter that can 0:16:55.160 --> 0:17:00.160 hurt me anymore online. It's I often think back, I 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:03.360 wonder would I have been so passionate about what I 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:07.360 was advocating for in the legislation if I'd been this 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:10.760 person back then, Because back then I was so deeply 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:13.720 affected by all of it. It lived rent free in 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:17.080 my head, every mean comment, every awful thing that was 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:21.080 said to me. I felt awful about myself so much 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:25.240 of the time, and I was distressed by it constantly, 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:29.359 and it was very difficult for me to handle. And now, 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:34.680 I mean I almost feel embarrassed a little bit by 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:38.680 how deeply it affected me, and not zero regrets because 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:40.720 I hope that the work I did made it safer 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:43.639 online and the focus on children was always paramount for 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:46.159 me in the safety of children online, but for me 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:52.600 individually again, there is nothing anymore that you could say 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:56.160 to me in a personal way, a physical way, an 0:17:56.160 --> 0:18:00.400 integrity way that hurts me anymore. And it is such 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:04.560 a peaceful, lovely existence and it's I guess it all 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:06.159 boils down. I feel like last year, at the end 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:09.200 of last year was such a kind of such a 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:13.240 pivotal moment in my life where I suddenly realized that 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:18.320 the opinions of others and this desperate need that I 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:20.760 had to be liked and accepted and for people to 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:24.000 think that I was a success just it kind of 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:28.439 died when I lost every job. And I also was 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:30.920 so worried always about letting other people down and letting 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:33.679 bosses down, and letting colleagues down, and co hosts and. 0:18:35.560 --> 0:18:36.600 Partners as well. 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:38.320 I would be you know, I don't want my partner 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:40.160 to see someone writing this awful thing about me, because 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:42.679 that's and I just feel like I've come to this 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:46.960 space now where my opinion of myself is the only 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:48.480 thing that matters to me anymore. 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:49.120 And I know. 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:52.320 Whether I've put everything into something. I know whether I've 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:55.160 done something really well. I know whether I've done something 0:18:55.240 --> 0:18:58.480 not as well. That's the gauge now that I go on, 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:02.080 and it's just such a lovely place to be after 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:04.880 twenty years of essentially hell in my own head. 0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:06.199 I love that. 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:07.679 I'm so happy to hear that. 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:11.760 Since we actually started talking a little bit about social media, 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:13.560 one of the things I really did want to talk 0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:16.080 to about was X and the show that you've been 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:19.880 working on, their sixty nine X minutes. This started actually 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:24.320 fittingly enough with Elon Musk on X formerly known as Twitter, 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:29.000 where he said, let's do this show obviously not sixty 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:33.359 minutes in a satirical fashion. Hopefully some of the US 0:19:33.440 --> 0:19:37.280 base got that, Aaron. There's been talk about what's happened 0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:39.520 to that show, and especially of course with the announcement 0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:42.320 today of your role with saleor Media some people, I'm 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:44.480 sure would be asking, well, will you still be working 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:45.159 on that show? 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:46.920 I will be, which is wonderful. 0:19:47.160 --> 0:19:50.080 And look, I guess the beauty of that show and 0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:52.880 the way that it operates, so even when we don't 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:55.800 do full shows, we'll be doing interviews and clips and 0:19:55.840 --> 0:19:58.199 they'll be posting kind of you know, sixty nine x 0:19:58.240 --> 0:20:00.439 minutes and I hate the name the way, and my 0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:04.040