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Speaker 1: Apoche production.

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Speaker 2: This podcast contains descriptions of sexual assault and psychological trauma.

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Speaker 2: It's not recommended for younger listeners and discretion is advised.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Real Crime with Adam Shand. I'm your host

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Speaker 2: Adam Shand. It's a shocking number that tells its own story.

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Speaker 2: According to the Australian Institute of Criminology and the National

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Speaker 2: Homicide Monitoring Program, four hundred and seventy six Aboriginal and

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Speaker 2: Torres Strate Islander women were murdered between nineteen eighty nine

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Speaker 2: and twenty twenty three, rate upter seven.

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Speaker 3: Times higher than the national average, with nearly three quarters

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Speaker 3: killed by a current or former partner.

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Speaker 4: Go back to the early eighties and the number of

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Speaker 4: victims saws to more than five hundred. They weren't even

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Speaker 4: counting the number back then. Imagine the sorrow and trauma

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Speaker 4: experienced by those five hundred families, any of whom have

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Speaker 4: never had justice. The victims are nameless and faceless, and

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Speaker 4: their voices are not heard.

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Speaker 5: Federal Attorney General Mark Dreyfuss described the findings as a

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Speaker 5: terrible and tragic loss of mothers, sisters, and daughters, and

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Speaker 5: said it's not acceptable for losses of this scale to continue.

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Speaker 4: Today, we give voice to one victim so that she

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Speaker 4: may speak for the others and those who still do

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Speaker 4: not live in peace and safety today. On March eighteen,

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Speaker 4: nineteen eighty two, the naked body of fifty three year

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Speaker 4: old Daphne Enid Sansbury was found on Victoria Park Racecourse

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Speaker 4: in Adelaide, South Australia.

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Speaker 3: Daphne Sansbury was found deceased in Adelaide, her life cuts

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Speaker 3: short in circumstances that remain unresolved to this day.

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Speaker 4: No one was held accountable for her murder, and her

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Speaker 4: family still lives with her loss bore decades later.

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Speaker 6: Not the person I should I killeded out the people

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Speaker 6: they should have been.

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Speaker 7: Longly she just been alike, just she disclothed. I lost

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Speaker 7: my shine, then whitelife.

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Speaker 8: What hits me is this has happened to what's because

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Speaker 9: System, And the system's not broken. It was made that way.

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Speaker 4: In October twenty twenty five, the late Daphne Sansbury's children

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Speaker 4: and her grandchildren gathered to share memories of Daphne and

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Speaker 4: what she experienced in her life. Some family were at

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Speaker 4: Horsham in Western Victoria. Others joined online from Adelaide. It

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Speaker 4: a meeting. This followed several months of conversation between myself

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Speaker 4: and Daphne's daughter, Pamela Branson. The meeting was held at

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Speaker 4: the Gullham Gullam Community, Harbin, Horsham. It was sometimes raw

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Speaker 4: and emotionally charged, but healing was the aim.

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Speaker 10: Just like to welcome you is to those that came

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Speaker 10: to watch Baliit country and pay our respects to the elders,

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Speaker 10: ancestors past, the president, dog, book watcher, joker, dog, look

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Speaker 10: Wildish Jarker watch a Bali which means welcome to watch

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Speaker 10: Blait Country.

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Speaker 11: I hope you have a good meeting.

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Speaker 4: Hello everyone, thank you for welcoming me here. My name's

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Speaker 4: Adam Shand I'm an investigative journalist based in Melbourne. I

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Speaker 4: guess I'm out of my comfort zone today. Normally I'm

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Speaker 4: on the main streets of Melbourne covering the Gangland goings

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Speaker 4: it was in that context that Auntie Pam contacted me

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Speaker 4: regarding the Beaumont children in Adelaide and her feeling that

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Speaker 4: of the suspects over there, and I realized there wasn't

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Speaker 4: much we could do in terms of going to that

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Speaker 4: the story of her mother and your Nana Daphne entered

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Speaker 4: Sansbury and the tragic story that unfolded from the mid

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Speaker 4: with her murder in nineteen eighty two.

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Speaker 12: And the more Pam and I began.

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Speaker 4: To speak about this, the more I thought that it

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Speaker 4: Auntie Pam told me about her appearance in a very

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Speaker 4: important documentary back in the mid sixties, Are Changing Race,

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Speaker 13: I've got four roomhouse, three bedrooms in the kitchen. The

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Speaker 13: All told my children they going to school, and they're.

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Speaker 13: All the other two players away, so mother has to

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Speaker 13: I we can go anywhere in the city area and

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Speaker 13: live and accumulate to the white people because I have

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Speaker 13: lived out and can regulate my money. That's the biggest

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Speaker 13: problem with the natives, that they just can't regulate the

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Speaker 13: got no money, they just go from door to door.

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Speaker 13: The average department brings them out from the average reserve

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Speaker 13: and promised to help them, but they's how far they go.

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Speaker 13: Just bring him out, give him a bus fare from

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Speaker 13: You may as well say a strange world. Although the

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Speaker 13: majority of the natives. They've got good material in themselves

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Speaker 13: where they I just need a little bit more education

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Speaker 13: and a little bit more pushing. But you can't push

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Speaker 13: anybody unless they learn to do things for themselves. Well,

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Speaker 13: the whites got more brains, I would say, because they will.

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Speaker 13: Matter of fact, there'll be more gift of the Tugue

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Speaker 13: little bit to make people understand.

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Speaker 12: And it looked to.

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Speaker 4: Be a hopeful story at that point of opportunity, assimilation,

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Speaker 4: children growing up in a happy environment. But the story

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Speaker 4: was to change dramatically within a few years when nearly

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Speaker 4: all of Daphanese's children were taken away from her. And remarkably,

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Speaker 4: when I saw the documents that Auntie Pam shared with me,

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Speaker 4: staggering that kids, through no fall of their own, were

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Speaker 4: that caused like a starburst of all your siblings ending

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Speaker 4: then trying to over time reclaim identity, reclaim family bonds,

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Speaker 4: then I think at the age of eighteen, Pam, you

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Speaker 4: Neville George Forster. I immediately started to dive into the

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Speaker 4: I'd like to know more about that today, what people

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Speaker 12: And as I understand it.

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Speaker 4: There was a trial, there was what I would call

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Speaker 4: all this, Neville George Forester was never found guilty, and

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Speaker 4: mental impairment, deemed unfit to stand trial. And you know,

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Speaker 4: my dad was actually a forensic psychiatrist in Sydney and

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Speaker 4: as I go through the records further, I found further

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Speaker 4: references to Neville George Forrester up in Queensland. I haven't

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Speaker 4: got to the text of those cases, but it appears

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Speaker 4: The more Artie, Pam and I talked about this, the

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Speaker 4: more it seemed to me that Nana Daphne's story represents

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Speaker 12: A lack of justice for a variety of.

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Speaker 4: Reasons that go into community, that go into police, that

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Speaker 4: go into our society. So I think today it's making

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Speaker 4: me feel emotional doing this as well. But I think

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Speaker 4: that will strengthen other Indigenous women and Indigenous families and

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Speaker 4: also white families that all of us collectively to do better,

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Speaker 4: to do better. So I've done a lot of talking.

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Speaker 4: I'm not really here to talk today, it's your day,

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Speaker 4: but I'm here to listen and to learn because I

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Speaker 12: This is a privilege for me and I.

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Speaker 4: Want to hear from everybody here, their memory, their aspirations,

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Speaker 4: through our ancestors that we see the future. So thank

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Speaker 4: you very much for welcoming me here, and I'm glad

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Speaker 12: And it's so good to meet you all in person.

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Speaker 14: Pamela Bronson and I am the ninth child in this beautiful,

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Speaker 14: amazing family that we have. I'm very proactive in a

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Speaker 14: lot of things in this community and passionate about educating

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Speaker 14: is to give our mother a voice, give her a

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Speaker 14: character of who she was, and not foreseen as just

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Speaker 14: another drunken black woman. So our story begins right back

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Speaker 1: A white life.

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Speaker 4: Sometime after Daphne's appearance on the ABC, she was granted

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Speaker 4: an exemption that allowed her to leave the Point Ps

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Speaker 4: mission and receive benefits. The Social Services Consolidation Act of

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Speaker 4: nineteen forty seven excluded Aboriginal people from government payments unless

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Speaker 4: they had an exemption from their state. To be considered exempt,

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Speaker 4: which included moving away from their communities. Once exempt, they

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Speaker 4: After gaining her exemption, Daphne left Point Ps with her

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Speaker 4: children for Adelaide. In July nineteen sixty seven, Australians voted

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Speaker 4: to change the constitution so that Aboriginal and Torres State

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Speaker 4: islander peoples would be counted as part of the population.

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Speaker 4: Two months later, Daphnee Sansbury was evicted from her accommodation

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Speaker 14: We were all removed and were put in remand in

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Speaker 14: I think Jesse was in court as well on that day,

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Speaker 14: and eventually we were charged with neglect. Seeing my foals

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Speaker 14: I will be incarcerated and my children wouldn't have a mother.

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Speaker 14: I meeting my family, yeah, it was a really profound moment.

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Speaker 14: And there's something I don't talk to and that's okay.

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Speaker 14: They don't talk to me and that's okay. But I

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Speaker 1: We are one.

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Speaker 14: We all share similar Heart Act campaign and this is

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Speaker 4: It was left to Daphne's eldest child, Nelson George Varco,

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Speaker 4: During the past few years, she had not enjoyed good

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Speaker 4: fifteenth of March nineteen eighty two.

437
00:26:40,761 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 16: I am her next of kin.

438
00:26:43,241 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 4: The night before her murder, Daphne Sansbury was at the

439
00:26:46,561 --> 00:26:51,561
Speaker 4: Overweight hotel in Adelaide. A cousin named Shirley Freshwater told

440
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:56,041
Speaker 4: police she was drinking with Daphne and Neville George Forrester.

441
00:26:57,001 --> 00:27:01,281
Speaker 4: At nine pm, Shirley left the pub. She heard Forrest

442
00:27:01,321 --> 00:27:04,601
Speaker 4: to say to Daphney, let's go for a ride. Then

443
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 4: he asked Shirley how to get to the race course.

444
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 4: To the officer in charge of the case, Detective Senior

445
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 4: Constable John Attwood, this was critical evidence and it was

446
00:27:15,961 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 4: later corroborated by another witness, Mark Anthony Quinn, who said

447
00:27:21,441 --> 00:27:24,880
Speaker 4: he was drinking with Forester and Daphney at the Overweight.

448
00:27:26,041 --> 00:27:29,441
Speaker 4: A taxi driver told police that he picked up Forester

449
00:27:29,521 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 4: and Daphne and drove them first to west End Market

450
00:27:33,201 --> 00:27:35,561
Speaker 4: and then to the Victoria Park race course.

451
00:27:36,721 --> 00:27:42,401
Speaker 1: Hi am Jewish Sandsbury. To talk up, to speak up? Well,

452
00:27:42,481 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: we can't hear me. I know, I know, I know,

453
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,961
Speaker 1: but you're going to have to a child.

454
00:27:48,080 --> 00:28:00,081
Speaker 17: But you've got a voice. You've got to let it out.

455
00:28:03,241 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: What a woman name. We're not lost her once.

456
00:28:10,241 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 18: We lost her twice, once to the gulp, to wealth

457
00:28:15,281 --> 00:28:16,281
Speaker 18: and then too.

458
00:28:17,921 --> 00:28:18,521
Speaker 1: This man.

459
00:28:21,561 --> 00:28:22,241
Speaker 11: I'm not the.

460
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:27,201
Speaker 6: Person I should have beat. My children are the people

461
00:28:27,281 --> 00:28:34,441
Speaker 6: they should have been. My daughter Brenda is here, was.

462
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:38,801
Speaker 18: Written me at the time, the night prior to her

463
00:28:38,921 --> 00:28:45,641
Speaker 18: dying passing, I was gonna go down and get some smokes.

464
00:28:47,281 --> 00:28:52,321
Speaker 18: I've fought for her for five hours, watched to change

465
00:28:52,681 --> 00:28:55,921
Speaker 18: for five hours and a different clothing, and the whole

466
00:28:55,961 --> 00:28:59,161
Speaker 18: time she was angry, but she had that love for

467
00:28:59,241 --> 00:29:05,401
Speaker 18: her grannie. She was angry, yes, but in that of

468
00:29:05,441 --> 00:29:08,761
Speaker 18: her anger, she was loving, cuddling and kissing her grannites.

469
00:29:08,921 --> 00:29:15,161
Speaker 18: And I believe these girls were the last that she

470
00:29:15,241 --> 00:29:22,481
Speaker 18: ever held, cuddled and kissed before she passed. I never

471
00:29:22,601 --> 00:29:30,881
Speaker 18: ever took into account about my children at the time,

472
00:29:30,961 --> 00:29:34,641
Speaker 18: because it was all about I think it was about

473
00:29:35,881 --> 00:29:41,921
Speaker 18: I don't know what. I'm confused. I'm really really confused.

474
00:29:42,921 --> 00:29:44,801
Speaker 18: I heard it on the radio and I was saying

475
00:29:44,841 --> 00:29:49,801
Speaker 18: to myself the night prior the Mark Langley case, the

476
00:29:49,921 --> 00:29:54,401
Speaker 18: family sitting there listening I said, God, I hate to

477
00:29:54,441 --> 00:29:56,801
Speaker 18: imagine to be that family exactly like you, Jess.

478
00:29:58,721 --> 00:30:01,441
Speaker 1: And I wakes up in the morning with the radio going.

479
00:30:02,681 --> 00:30:05,841
Speaker 18: Indigenous woman found dead Victoria race Course.

480
00:30:05,961 --> 00:30:06,961
Speaker 19: I flew up.

481
00:30:08,561 --> 00:30:14,121
Speaker 18: I said, that's mama. Bruther said, we don't talk shit,

482
00:30:14,441 --> 00:30:16,281
Speaker 18: straight up. I'm going in town to have a drink

483
00:30:16,321 --> 00:30:18,841
Speaker 18: with her, and she's trying to make it funny for me,

484
00:30:19,001 --> 00:30:21,041
Speaker 18: you know, he said, try to distract me while he

485
00:30:21,161 --> 00:30:23,881
Speaker 18: was that. I got a cousin todd ape and the

486
00:30:23,921 --> 00:30:30,081
Speaker 18: rest is history. I want justice for her. I want

487
00:30:30,121 --> 00:30:36,001
Speaker 18: them to know the truth. I want to stop for

488
00:30:36,081 --> 00:30:40,161
Speaker 18: all these women that have been abused. If it saves one,

489
00:30:41,721 --> 00:30:42,681
Speaker 18: if it saves.

490
00:30:42,401 --> 00:30:43,401
Speaker 19: One, not happy.

491
00:30:44,081 --> 00:30:47,241
Speaker 20: I don't want them to go what we went three

492
00:30:48,561 --> 00:30:52,401
Speaker 20: because I never ever imagined that we'd ever as a family,

493
00:30:54,721 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 20: would it ever go for something like this.

494
00:30:59,521 --> 00:31:01,241
Speaker 12: Never in my wildestreams.

495
00:31:01,881 --> 00:31:04,361
Speaker 11: It was bad of just losing it to well.

496
00:31:04,201 --> 00:31:07,001
Speaker 1: For her in the tuma that we have from that,

497
00:31:08,361 --> 00:31:09,361
Speaker 1: and then this added.

498
00:31:11,761 --> 00:31:13,081
Speaker 7: So please stay strong.

499
00:31:14,961 --> 00:31:20,161
Speaker 18: Let's do this for her and our grandchildren and her grandchildren.

500
00:31:19,961 --> 00:31:22,721
Speaker 7: Her great grannies and all of them had come.

501
00:31:24,361 --> 00:31:27,361
Speaker 18: I don't want my children to or my grandchildren to

502
00:31:27,401 --> 00:31:32,041
Speaker 18: realize it was because the tragedy that this woman loved.

503
00:31:32,201 --> 00:31:35,761
Speaker 18: She was in order to rub the last three years

504
00:31:35,761 --> 00:31:41,321
Speaker 18: of her being alive. The week two weeks prior, she

505
00:31:41,561 --> 00:31:49,401
Speaker 18: spoke of her children, her babies. She knew her big baby,

506
00:31:49,521 --> 00:31:56,921
Speaker 18: she knew her big babies. It was the younger ones, Jerry, Pammy,

507
00:31:58,441 --> 00:32:05,561
Speaker 18: Denise didn't even think about it. I realized she was

508
00:32:05,601 --> 00:32:10,041
Speaker 18: so genuine. She had all the love. She showed it.

509
00:32:10,041 --> 00:32:12,001
Speaker 1: By demanding her children back.

510
00:32:12,121 --> 00:32:16,881
Speaker 18: She went to government. She had Donald Dunstan on her

511
00:32:16,961 --> 00:32:19,601
Speaker 18: side trying to get her to get her baby's back.

512
00:32:22,401 --> 00:32:28,201
Speaker 18: But I know that she truly truly adored us children,

513
00:32:29,161 --> 00:32:32,041
Speaker 18: and I know for a fact that she loved her

514
00:32:32,081 --> 00:32:35,241
Speaker 18: grand babies. I've seen it with my own eyes. I

515
00:32:35,441 --> 00:32:41,561
Speaker 18: witnessed it, I felt it. You know, she was caring, giving.

516
00:32:42,801 --> 00:32:44,841
Speaker 18: It's a shame that we didn't have that all our

517
00:32:44,881 --> 00:32:48,881
Speaker 18: life with her. And I just want justice and I

518
00:32:48,921 --> 00:32:51,281
Speaker 18: want her to be heard, and I want.

519
00:32:51,081 --> 00:32:53,761
Speaker 1: To be free, I want to be healed.

520
00:32:55,321 --> 00:32:56,521
Speaker 11: I want to move on.

521
00:33:06,121 --> 00:33:08,121
Speaker 1: And this little old joicy for you.

522
00:33:10,321 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 12: Thank you.

523
00:33:16,601 --> 00:33:20,481
Speaker 4: Detective John Atwood told the coroner that shortly after midnight

524
00:33:20,521 --> 00:33:24,081
Speaker 4: on Thursday, eighteenth of March nineteen eighty two, the body

525
00:33:24,081 --> 00:33:27,321
Speaker 4: of Daphney Sansbury was found in the center of Victoria

526
00:33:27,401 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 4: Park race Course. She was naked except for desert boots

527
00:33:31,441 --> 00:33:35,001
Speaker 4: and socks. Her clothes were found four hundred meters away

528
00:33:35,041 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 4: on a shed roof. She had been assaulted by the

529
00:33:38,281 --> 00:33:42,721
Speaker 4: punching or kicking about the head and abdomen. She'd also

530
00:33:42,761 --> 00:33:46,881
Speaker 4: been strangled with a narrow ligature of some sort. At

531
00:33:46,921 --> 00:33:51,041
Speaker 4: one twenty four am on Thursday March eighteen, nineteen eighty two,

532
00:33:51,561 --> 00:33:54,321
Speaker 4: police received a call from a man who called himself

533
00:33:54,641 --> 00:33:59,121
Speaker 4: Ted Monica. He said his wife had seen a woman's dead,

534
00:33:59,241 --> 00:34:02,841
Speaker 4: naked body by the toilets in the middle of Victoria

535
00:34:02,921 --> 00:34:07,641
Speaker 4: Park Racecourse. Caller said an Aboriginal man was beating up

536
00:34:07,681 --> 00:34:11,681
Speaker 4: the woman. The man's voice on the recorded call was

537
00:34:11,761 --> 00:34:15,441
Speaker 4: later compared to George Forrester's voice and were found to

538
00:34:15,521 --> 00:34:19,161
Speaker 4: be the same he called in his own crime.

539
00:34:20,641 --> 00:34:24,961
Speaker 21: My name is Jake Goods, son of what was his name?

540
00:34:25,121 --> 00:34:28,601
Speaker 11: First, Lisa, Lisa.

541
00:34:28,401 --> 00:34:32,361
Speaker 21: Jane Barley was when I grew up. That was her

542
00:34:32,441 --> 00:34:36,961
Speaker 21: mum's name. That's her name is Lisa Daphne Sansbury. And

543
00:34:37,001 --> 00:34:40,041
Speaker 21: I'm the second eldest child Jake.

544
00:34:39,841 --> 00:34:45,721
Speaker 4: Goods, Jack's elder brother is Adam Goods, former AFL footballer,

545
00:34:46,001 --> 00:34:48,201
Speaker 4: an Australian of the Year for twenty fourteen.

546
00:34:49,201 --> 00:34:55,561
Speaker 21: Big Fly Bird Goods call Jan come at the moment,

547
00:34:55,721 --> 00:34:57,001
Speaker 21: Come up the Servian.

548
00:34:58,641 --> 00:35:01,241
Speaker 4: Adam has told the story of his mother's removal from

549
00:35:01,241 --> 00:35:04,721
Speaker 4: her family and the trauma without mentioning the fate of

550
00:35:04,761 --> 00:35:10,841
Speaker 4: his grandmother, Daphney Sansbury. Lisa Daphney Sansbury suffered from bipolar

551
00:35:10,881 --> 00:35:15,521
Speaker 4: disorder and anxiety, but helped her sons Adam Jacob Brett

552
00:35:15,801 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 4: to reclaim their indigenous identity and heritage. Sadly, Lisa died

553
00:35:21,001 --> 00:35:24,641
Speaker 4: in February twenty twenty two at just sixty two from

554
00:35:24,641 --> 00:35:25,321
Speaker 4: a heart attack.

555
00:35:26,641 --> 00:35:27,921
Speaker 11: Mum's obviously passed away.

556
00:35:28,921 --> 00:35:31,961
Speaker 21: God bless her and I Banana as well, and Nannie

557
00:35:31,961 --> 00:35:34,641
Speaker 21: Mark Yes, don't hear either. So you know we're here

558
00:35:34,681 --> 00:35:37,121
Speaker 21: for the three beautiful women in our lives. Try and

559
00:35:37,161 --> 00:35:40,281
Speaker 21: tell their stories. I'll try and tell Mum's story is

560
00:35:40,281 --> 00:35:42,841
Speaker 21: the best. Like Cannidis, we have this journey, but you

561
00:35:42,841 --> 00:35:44,521
Speaker 21: know I've got limited space.

562
00:35:44,601 --> 00:35:45,681
Speaker 11: Growing up, I was only.

563
00:35:45,521 --> 00:35:49,161
Speaker 21: A month off being warm and when Nana was murdered.

564
00:35:50,001 --> 00:35:51,001
Speaker 11: Yeah, Mum did tell some.

565
00:35:51,001 --> 00:35:55,161
Speaker 21: Stories growing up, and I know I enjoyed mentioning she

566
00:35:55,241 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 21: got Nana was stolen. It was taken away twice through

567
00:35:58,281 --> 00:36:01,801
Speaker 21: welfare and then murdered. But Mum told me a story

568
00:36:01,961 --> 00:36:04,121
Speaker 21: where she was. That's three times it happened to her

569
00:36:04,161 --> 00:36:06,921
Speaker 21: because she was told that Nana was dead when she

570
00:36:06,961 --> 00:36:09,241
Speaker 21: actually wasn't dead by welfare when she was reaching out

571
00:36:09,241 --> 00:36:13,401
Speaker 21: trying to find her. So that was three times Nana

572
00:36:13,481 --> 00:36:17,201
Speaker 21: was taken away from mum, you know, twice on the

573
00:36:17,241 --> 00:36:21,281
Speaker 21: government and once by this this man. But you know,

574
00:36:21,401 --> 00:36:23,721
Speaker 21: growing up mum, you know, we all know, Mum's a

575
00:36:23,801 --> 00:36:25,841
Speaker 21: very strong lady and she kept a lot of her

576
00:36:26,241 --> 00:36:30,521
Speaker 21: thoughts and emotions about Nana to herself. You know, occasionally

577
00:36:30,521 --> 00:36:34,761
Speaker 21: she'd share a few things, but ultimately your mum very

578
00:36:34,841 --> 00:36:36,721
Speaker 21: much kept herself all the way to the end.

579
00:36:37,801 --> 00:36:40,801
Speaker 11: Yeah, which was a shame. That's how Mum was.

580
00:36:40,841 --> 00:36:44,561
Speaker 21: But you know, obviously Adam's not here today to share

581
00:36:44,601 --> 00:36:45,161
Speaker 21: some stories.

582
00:36:45,201 --> 00:36:47,961
Speaker 11: He was alive and Nana was alive and may.

583
00:36:47,881 --> 00:36:50,601
Speaker 21: Have some other stories to share, which I do hope

584
00:36:50,841 --> 00:36:52,521
Speaker 21: on through this journey that we might be able to

585
00:36:52,561 --> 00:36:55,241
Speaker 21: get him. Also Bretton others on board that aren't here

586
00:36:55,241 --> 00:36:58,681
Speaker 21: with us today. But you know what's happened to Nana was,

587
00:36:59,041 --> 00:37:03,201
Speaker 21: you know, and a lot of Aboriginal women and men,

588
00:37:03,441 --> 00:37:06,401
Speaker 21: you know, back in those days. You know, the injustice

589
00:37:06,401 --> 00:37:10,841
Speaker 21: to all our Aboriginal people since colonization for two hundred

590
00:37:10,841 --> 00:37:14,921
Speaker 21: and fucking fifty years, it continues to go on for

591
00:37:15,041 --> 00:37:19,121
Speaker 21: our people. It's an absolute disgrace. And you're right, Tanure,

592
00:37:19,321 --> 00:37:21,281
Speaker 21: this is it's not a broken system. This is a

593
00:37:21,281 --> 00:37:24,921
Speaker 21: system that was put in place from the colonizers. It's

594
00:37:24,961 --> 00:37:29,361
Speaker 21: about mission management. It's about pushing Aboriginal people away and

595
00:37:29,401 --> 00:37:34,041
Speaker 21: dispersing us, you know, and that's carried generational trauma, and

596
00:37:34,081 --> 00:37:37,041
Speaker 21: that generational trauma continues in us in what happened with

597
00:37:37,121 --> 00:37:39,561
Speaker 21: Nana as well as you know, it's fresh. It's that

598
00:37:39,561 --> 00:37:43,481
Speaker 21: that wound is that's raw, it's still weeping, that the

599
00:37:43,561 --> 00:37:48,361
Speaker 21: blood is still stains our skin today of what's happened

600
00:37:49,041 --> 00:37:52,801
Speaker 21: to us as a family. And you're right, Becky, you know,

601
00:37:52,881 --> 00:37:56,121
Speaker 21: if Nana was here today, we're probably stronger together as mob.

602
00:37:56,201 --> 00:37:59,121
Speaker 21: But I still believe, you know, I see other mobs

603
00:37:59,121 --> 00:38:01,561
Speaker 21: out there too, you know, and families, we are still

604
00:38:01,601 --> 00:38:03,721
Speaker 21: strong family together. We might not see each other all

605
00:38:03,761 --> 00:38:06,641
Speaker 21: the time, but looking at everyone's eyes today, you know,

606
00:38:06,761 --> 00:38:09,961
Speaker 21: it feels like yesterday we might all got some grays,

607
00:38:10,001 --> 00:38:13,561
Speaker 21: but you know, we're still strong family together, and that's

608
00:38:13,601 --> 00:38:15,561
Speaker 21: the blood that runs in us as deep, and it's

609
00:38:15,641 --> 00:38:19,401
Speaker 21: you know, we are who we are from our ancestors.

610
00:38:18,881 --> 00:38:23,081
Speaker 11: And you know, the pop everyone you know.

611
00:38:23,161 --> 00:38:26,721
Speaker 21: That's walked before us, we walk in our ancestors footsteps.

612
00:38:26,721 --> 00:38:28,161
Speaker 11: You know, we are ancestors.

613
00:38:28,201 --> 00:38:33,561
Speaker 21: And it's unfortunate what happened to Nana. It's still not unfortunate.

614
00:38:33,561 --> 00:38:37,041
Speaker 21: This is a fucking disgrace. And I haven't actually read

615
00:38:37,561 --> 00:38:40,561
Speaker 21: what happened to Nana fully, you know, I still haven't

616
00:38:40,601 --> 00:38:42,801
Speaker 21: read what's happened to Mum, you know, and I probably won't.

617
00:38:42,841 --> 00:38:46,361
Speaker 21: And you know, I like to believe things in my

618
00:38:46,481 --> 00:38:49,561
Speaker 21: head and see the people who I loved and you know,

619
00:38:50,121 --> 00:38:53,561
Speaker 21: and have those memories in my head moving forward, and

620
00:38:53,681 --> 00:38:55,561
Speaker 21: that's why I'm here and I listen to the beautiful

621
00:38:55,761 --> 00:38:59,001
Speaker 21: memories and stories and everyone's got together so I can

622
00:38:59,001 --> 00:38:59,601
Speaker 21: share them.

623
00:38:59,481 --> 00:39:02,761
Speaker 11: With you, with my kids, you know, kids, kids.

624
00:39:02,641 --> 00:39:05,201
Speaker 21: Nieces, nephews and you know, so we can have those

625
00:39:05,241 --> 00:39:09,161
Speaker 21: yarns and conversations together and you know, keep us strong

626
00:39:09,281 --> 00:39:12,001
Speaker 21: and have those family ties and keep our blood strong,

627
00:39:12,161 --> 00:39:16,561
Speaker 21: you know, keep our families strong, growing up. And you

628
00:39:16,601 --> 00:39:19,801
Speaker 21: know the injustice against our original women still today is

629
00:39:20,441 --> 00:39:21,281
Speaker 21: it's disgusting.

630
00:39:21,361 --> 00:39:25,441
Speaker 11: And the stats is you know they need to change.

631
00:39:25,481 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 21: And Adam, you know, if you can help in any

632
00:39:27,481 --> 00:39:33,361
Speaker 21: form and way bring justice to Nana. You know, great

633
00:39:33,441 --> 00:39:35,041
Speaker 21: Nana had great great Nanna.

634
00:39:35,161 --> 00:39:37,401
Speaker 11: You know, we've got some kids out there all the

635
00:39:37,441 --> 00:39:38,481
Speaker 11: way and mother.

636
00:39:39,841 --> 00:39:42,841
Speaker 21: If we can bring any type of justice, I think

637
00:39:42,881 --> 00:39:43,081
Speaker 21: we have.

638
00:39:43,161 --> 00:39:50,681
Speaker 11: That's that's for me that still haven't I haven't got

639
00:39:50,681 --> 00:39:53,961
Speaker 11: that justice and it hurts. It still hurts me. And

640
00:39:54,081 --> 00:39:57,361
Speaker 11: that's getting bored. I'm not watching everyone goes through this,

641
00:39:58,201 --> 00:40:00,961
Speaker 11: but still hurts me.

642
00:40:01,761 --> 00:40:02,321
Speaker 12: Thank you.

643
00:40:04,121 --> 00:40:14,641
Speaker 19: That's it.

644
00:40:18,961 --> 00:40:22,441
Speaker 4: On March twenty third, nineteen eighty two, five days after

645
00:40:22,521 --> 00:40:25,921
Speaker 4: Daphne's murder, Forester was arrested on a bus and mill

646
00:40:26,001 --> 00:40:30,201
Speaker 4: Dura in Western Victoria bound for Renmark in South Australia.

647
00:40:31,121 --> 00:40:34,361
Speaker 4: The forty one year old suspect, who was Aboriginal, had

648
00:40:34,361 --> 00:40:37,561
Speaker 4: been released from jail only a month earlier on charges

649
00:40:37,601 --> 00:40:42,441
Speaker 4: of disorderly conduct. He was illiterate and had no fixed address.

650
00:40:42,961 --> 00:40:46,481
Speaker 4: He was an itinerant worker, but had connections in Queensland

651
00:40:46,801 --> 00:40:51,321
Speaker 4: or Northern Territory. When questioned by police, Forrest has said

652
00:40:51,321 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 4: that he had heard of Daphne's murder but had never

653
00:40:54,041 --> 00:40:57,521
Speaker 4: met her. He also denied being an adelaide when she

654
00:40:57,641 --> 00:41:02,001
Speaker 4: was murdered. However, when arrested, he was in possession of

655
00:41:02,041 --> 00:41:06,601
Speaker 4: a blue cigarette lighter that police established was Daphne's, and

656
00:41:06,681 --> 00:41:09,121
Speaker 4: a book called the Squatter's Manual was found of the

657
00:41:09,121 --> 00:41:15,521
Speaker 4: crime scene with Daphne's body. It bore Forester's fingerprints. A witness,

658
00:41:15,641 --> 00:41:18,841
Speaker 4: Daphne Carpeney, told police that she knew Forester.

659
00:41:19,721 --> 00:41:20,801
Speaker 16: She'd been with him in the.

660
00:41:20,801 --> 00:41:25,201
Speaker 4: Overweight Hotel on several occasions and had sexual intercourse with

661
00:41:25,321 --> 00:41:26,681
Speaker 4: him in motels.

662
00:41:27,561 --> 00:41:27,801
Speaker 16: Once.

663
00:41:27,881 --> 00:41:31,521
Speaker 4: After sex, he told Carpaeney that he believed she was

664
00:41:31,561 --> 00:41:35,721
Speaker 4: pregnant and he was going to kill the baby. He'd

665
00:41:35,721 --> 00:41:39,921
Speaker 4: punched her in the stomach repeatedly. On another occasion, when

666
00:41:39,961 --> 00:41:43,241
Speaker 4: Carpaeney had refused to have sex with him, Forester had

667
00:41:43,281 --> 00:41:46,961
Speaker 4: tried to strangle her. She submitted to sex with Forester

668
00:41:47,201 --> 00:41:47,881
Speaker 4: out of fear.

669
00:41:51,921 --> 00:41:56,561
Speaker 15: My name is Jessica vasis in a Sandsbury breed and

670
00:41:56,641 --> 00:41:58,321
Speaker 15: her mother's name is Deathly Art.

671
00:41:59,961 --> 00:42:04,721
Speaker 9: And because it was the oldest girl I was stuck after.

672
00:42:04,841 --> 00:42:15,881
Speaker 15: It's the reason I love you. That was hell responsible

673
00:42:15,961 --> 00:42:20,321
Speaker 15: because of a new kids makes all they can come

674
00:42:20,641 --> 00:42:24,521
Speaker 15: from sto and make sure they did a copy of

675
00:42:24,561 --> 00:42:30,641
Speaker 15: week Place a wag stoo. But we had funders like

676
00:42:31,801 --> 00:42:36,561
Speaker 15: eight girls, two boys. It was snaky. He was the oldest.

677
00:42:36,561 --> 00:42:45,761
Speaker 22: But he was raised by our grandparents grandmother Barco and grandfathers. Yeah,

678
00:42:45,761 --> 00:42:47,801
Speaker 22: well I can't remember my grandmother's.

679
00:42:47,321 --> 00:42:50,401
Speaker 15: Don't Oh that's olive rise.

680
00:42:51,881 --> 00:42:52,081
Speaker 23: Yeah.

681
00:42:53,041 --> 00:42:56,961
Speaker 15: I loved going to stay there on the weekend because

682
00:42:57,441 --> 00:42:58,321
Speaker 15: I was I got stuck.

683
00:42:58,361 --> 00:43:02,241
Speaker 9: But we can actually bother you kids. I had to

684
00:43:02,761 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 9: cook for them the blog go out.

685
00:43:05,401 --> 00:43:09,681
Speaker 15: Would come home and say, I just want family friends.

686
00:43:11,041 --> 00:43:15,601
Speaker 15: I said, you've got kids, you have responsibilities, should be

687
00:43:15,681 --> 00:43:16,641
Speaker 15: here with us.

688
00:43:17,281 --> 00:43:22,121
Speaker 9: You want to go out, that's fine, that's sure, care

689
00:43:22,121 --> 00:43:22,921
Speaker 9: about your kids.

690
00:43:23,921 --> 00:43:26,321
Speaker 15: I used to get really pissed off for the fact

691
00:43:27,041 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 15: that she would go out and not have any fan

692
00:43:29,601 --> 00:43:34,641
Speaker 15: fa tea. So I got stuck with them, with them

693
00:43:35,081 --> 00:43:39,761
Speaker 15: sometimes sleep with fucking where was loved? I said, tell me,

694
00:43:39,801 --> 00:43:42,041
Speaker 15: we would both know, Oh, I know she's gone out.

695
00:43:43,081 --> 00:43:45,481
Speaker 15: Other than that, she was really good to.

696
00:43:45,521 --> 00:43:47,201
Speaker 19: Us kids about men.

697
00:43:47,281 --> 00:43:49,041
Speaker 9: She caught wearing.

698
00:43:48,801 --> 00:43:53,121
Speaker 15: Shoes, Yeah, going to school to buy us new shoes,

699
00:43:53,321 --> 00:43:57,321
Speaker 15: and I wouldn't wear them, so I'll go to leave

700
00:43:57,721 --> 00:44:00,921
Speaker 15: the house, get halfway to school, take.

701
00:44:00,761 --> 00:44:04,161
Speaker 9: My spoods off and go barefo. And then a couple

702
00:44:04,201 --> 00:44:07,481
Speaker 9: of weeks later them, I'm it's the snow. Your child

703
00:44:07,521 --> 00:44:08,841
Speaker 9: needs to wear shoes to school.

704
00:44:10,761 --> 00:44:11,321
Speaker 12: He said.

705
00:44:13,001 --> 00:44:17,401
Speaker 9: That party sees for nothing. On Tom she got around

706
00:44:17,441 --> 00:44:19,121
Speaker 9: and make me wear them.

707
00:44:19,241 --> 00:44:23,601
Speaker 15: They were too hard to start with, so I don't

708
00:44:23,601 --> 00:44:28,041
Speaker 15: have a new pair. But yeah, we had fun.

709
00:44:28,281 --> 00:44:31,761
Speaker 9: We had we by our own fun.

710
00:44:33,201 --> 00:44:35,641
Speaker 4: When the welfare took Death and his children in nineteen

711
00:44:35,681 --> 00:44:39,881
Speaker 4: sixty seven, they left Jesse, then just thirteen, to Finn

712
00:44:39,921 --> 00:44:41,201
Speaker 4: for herself.

713
00:44:42,241 --> 00:44:43,801
Speaker 9: And when they come.

714
00:44:44,761 --> 00:44:48,681
Speaker 15: It's played the kids. And I said, what does that mean?

715
00:44:49,121 --> 00:44:52,481
Speaker 15: I said, you're not about yourself? And I said really,

716
00:44:52,841 --> 00:44:53,401
Speaker 15: how old were you?

717
00:44:54,881 --> 00:44:55,201
Speaker 9: Thirty?

718
00:44:55,881 --> 00:44:56,161
Speaker 7: Maybe?

719
00:44:57,681 --> 00:44:59,321
Speaker 9: And I said, where the fuck am I squass? The

720
00:44:59,361 --> 00:45:03,801
Speaker 9: guy man sort of wake from bed to bed.

721
00:45:05,441 --> 00:45:09,001
Speaker 24: You know, she wasn't taken into care or put in

722
00:45:10,201 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 24: want to and she so you know, when Nana took

723
00:45:14,041 --> 00:45:21,201
Speaker 24: off out crying, Mum felt hurt like not only did

724
00:45:21,241 --> 00:45:23,681
Speaker 24: welfare not want her, but Nana didn't want her either.

725
00:45:24,681 --> 00:45:27,721
Speaker 24: But you know, imagine what it was felt like for

726
00:45:27,841 --> 00:45:31,201
Speaker 24: Nan being told or were taking your kids.

727
00:45:32,041 --> 00:45:33,441
Speaker 9: I would be destroyed.

728
00:45:33,041 --> 00:45:35,801
Speaker 25: As well and take off and then to be lied

729
00:45:35,841 --> 00:45:37,961
Speaker 25: to every time she comes back, saying she had a house,

730
00:45:38,521 --> 00:45:40,441
Speaker 25: saying all the kids don't want any to do with

731
00:45:40,481 --> 00:45:42,601
Speaker 25: you until he kids the same thing.

732
00:45:44,001 --> 00:45:49,201
Speaker 9: So does she di vibe like you will have because

733
00:45:49,241 --> 00:45:52,841
Speaker 9: you're all strong? What do you hope comes hands with me?

734
00:45:54,401 --> 00:45:54,641
Speaker 23: Nanna?

735
00:45:54,681 --> 00:45:55,441
Speaker 9: What are your hopes?

736
00:45:56,641 --> 00:46:03,041
Speaker 15: Well, you know she missed out on us, brong up

737
00:46:03,121 --> 00:46:05,681
Speaker 15: to adult and then we kiss.

738
00:46:06,041 --> 00:46:10,841
Speaker 9: He doesn't know who a great, great friendly.

739
00:46:13,481 --> 00:46:15,801
Speaker 19: Hostal But.

740
00:46:17,441 --> 00:46:20,921
Speaker 15: Driving she said, I'm going down, I said, near one

741
00:46:20,961 --> 00:46:24,041
Speaker 15: of those kids when I'm going to fifteen partect?

742
00:46:24,161 --> 00:46:27,801
Speaker 23: What about you know you want hand to have voice

743
00:46:27,841 --> 00:46:30,841
Speaker 23: through all this? Look, you want her to have a

744
00:46:30,921 --> 00:46:35,641
Speaker 23: voice through peace, likely giving haird a voice.

745
00:46:36,521 --> 00:46:36,881
Speaker 8: You know how.

746
00:46:37,001 --> 00:46:42,441
Speaker 9: Matter is just not swept. So that was that was

747
00:46:42,521 --> 00:46:44,441
Speaker 9: hard for us.

748
00:46:47,561 --> 00:46:51,001
Speaker 4: The state coroner, Colin Mannock, attended the crime scene while

749
00:46:51,081 --> 00:46:54,321
Speaker 4: Daphne's body was still in situ. The language in his

750
00:46:54,441 --> 00:47:00,721
Speaker 4: report was cold, dispassionate, and dehumanizing. He said, I saw

751
00:47:00,761 --> 00:47:04,761
Speaker 4: the body of an obese aboriginal female laying on its

752
00:47:04,801 --> 00:47:08,281
Speaker 4: back with the legs apart and bent slightly at the knees.

753
00:47:09,041 --> 00:47:13,481
Speaker 4: At two forty five hours. I certified life extinct in

754
00:47:13,521 --> 00:47:16,481
Speaker 4: the absence of pulses and respiratory movements.

755
00:47:17,641 --> 00:47:18,361
Speaker 16: On the front of the.

756
00:47:18,321 --> 00:47:22,241
Speaker 4: Neck was a horizontal band of abrasion two centimeters wide,

757
00:47:22,961 --> 00:47:25,921
Speaker 4: extending from below the left ear but fading on the

758
00:47:26,001 --> 00:47:29,401
Speaker 4: right side three to four centimeters in front of the

759
00:47:29,481 --> 00:47:33,121
Speaker 4: right ear. On the left breast was a post mortem

760
00:47:33,121 --> 00:47:38,041
Speaker 4: in size wound eleven centimeters long. On the lower anterior

761
00:47:38,121 --> 00:47:42,721
Speaker 4: abdominal wall were six in sized wounds which penetrated the

762
00:47:42,761 --> 00:47:46,641
Speaker 4: full thickness of the skin, and a further seven partial

763
00:47:46,681 --> 00:47:48,321
Speaker 4: thickness in sized injuries.

764
00:47:48,961 --> 00:47:53,161
Speaker 16: These injuries appeared to be post mortem. On the nature

765
00:47:53,201 --> 00:47:54,401
Speaker 16: of the wounds, I.

766
00:47:54,321 --> 00:47:57,921
Speaker 4: Suggest a piece of broken glass was the probable agent.

767
00:47:58,561 --> 00:48:01,881
Speaker 4: Mannock also noted that Daphne had three tattoos. On the

768
00:48:01,961 --> 00:48:04,881
Speaker 4: left forearm was written mother, and on the right four

769
00:48:05,441 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 4: were two more tattoos, the letters D E V being

770
00:48:09,961 --> 00:48:15,081
Speaker 4: her maiden name, Daphne enid Vaco and d GB being

771
00:48:15,361 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 4: David Jeffrey Branson, her former partner and father to three

772
00:48:19,561 --> 00:48:20,321
Speaker 4: of her children.

773
00:48:23,681 --> 00:48:27,121
Speaker 25: My name is Becky Macke's sort of the oldest of

774
00:48:27,241 --> 00:48:33,481
Speaker 25: the grand kids, one of the oldest, so Nana Daphanese's granddaughter,

775
00:48:33,601 --> 00:48:36,401
Speaker 25: although I was referred to her as black Nana because

776
00:48:36,401 --> 00:48:38,921
Speaker 25: they had a white nana as well, and that's how

777
00:48:38,961 --> 00:48:39,841
Speaker 25: I used to refer to.

778
00:48:39,801 --> 00:48:40,361
Speaker 16: Her growing up.

779
00:48:41,121 --> 00:48:45,601
Speaker 25: I can remember once she borders Christmas presents and they

780
00:48:45,641 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 25: were beached tows wrapped in brown paper wrapping and tied

781
00:48:50,081 --> 00:48:52,321
Speaker 25: up the string, and I just thought that was just

782
00:48:52,361 --> 00:48:56,401
Speaker 25: amazing as a kid. And then I remember going to

783
00:48:56,521 --> 00:48:58,721
Speaker 25: visit her when she lived in the unit and there

784
00:48:58,761 --> 00:49:01,881
Speaker 25: was an arm and tree that hung over the fence,

785
00:49:01,921 --> 00:49:03,761
Speaker 25: and we used to pick almonds off the tree.

786
00:49:05,241 --> 00:49:08,801
Speaker 9: She used to like brushing my hair, and once I

787
00:49:09,441 --> 00:49:09,721
Speaker 9: made a.

788
00:49:09,721 --> 00:49:11,841
Speaker 25: House of cards on the lands in the Flora the

789
00:49:11,921 --> 00:49:14,841
Speaker 25: inn it as you wouldn't let anybody touch her, but

790
00:49:15,121 --> 00:49:17,921
Speaker 25: MoMA said, it is hard because you know, I read

791
00:49:17,961 --> 00:49:19,841
Speaker 25: she did Cara and Report and the fact they couldn't

792
00:49:19,881 --> 00:49:24,481
Speaker 25: actually name her by name and just carted it. I mean,

793
00:49:24,481 --> 00:49:29,001
Speaker 25: I was twelve a month after turning said in. And

794
00:49:29,441 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 25: I actually remember coming home and going all with mom

795
00:49:32,481 --> 00:49:35,521
Speaker 25: and dad and other nana said, oh, they've had to

796
00:49:35,561 --> 00:49:38,921
Speaker 25: go out. Oh, she's saying to me. I picked up

797
00:49:38,921 --> 00:49:41,281
Speaker 25: the paper because Dad always brought the paper, you know,

798
00:49:41,481 --> 00:49:45,121
Speaker 25: and there she was, her face on the page and

799
00:49:45,161 --> 00:49:47,081
Speaker 25: I read it, looked at her and thought, wow, that

800
00:49:47,161 --> 00:49:52,841
Speaker 25: poor lady and that poor family, you know, not even thinking,

801
00:49:53,241 --> 00:49:55,281
Speaker 25: you know, I read her name and everything and didn't

802
00:49:55,601 --> 00:49:58,681
Speaker 25: clip to who it was. It wasn't until mom and

803
00:49:58,721 --> 00:50:02,681
Speaker 25: dad come home and they said, and I was so devastated.

804
00:50:03,441 --> 00:50:06,641
Speaker 25: Didn't get to go to the funeral. I don't know,

805
00:50:06,681 --> 00:50:08,721
Speaker 25: there's a lot of people in a funeral, and Mum

806
00:50:08,761 --> 00:50:09,881
Speaker 25: and dad and obviously made a.

807
00:50:09,801 --> 00:50:12,041
Speaker 9: Decision not to take Christy in myself. But I was

808
00:50:12,041 --> 00:50:12,961
Speaker 9: really pissed off.

809
00:50:13,521 --> 00:50:17,401
Speaker 25: But my kids have grown up without knowing who she was.

810
00:50:18,521 --> 00:50:21,761
Speaker 25: My kids didn't know her, My grandkids don't know her,

811
00:50:21,921 --> 00:50:24,721
Speaker 25: you know, talk about I talk about her a lot

812
00:50:25,041 --> 00:50:32,081
Speaker 25: to them and show them photos. But I also think

813
00:50:32,281 --> 00:50:39,721
Speaker 25: her not being here hasn't helped with family dynamics. And

814
00:50:40,001 --> 00:50:43,241
Speaker 25: I truly believe that if she was still here, I

815
00:50:43,361 --> 00:50:46,721
Speaker 25: know we'd all be wanting to be happy family because

816
00:50:46,761 --> 00:50:50,521
Speaker 25: she would take that bullshit because that who she was.

817
00:50:51,921 --> 00:50:54,161
Speaker 25: You know, she was feared when it came to her family.

818
00:50:54,441 --> 00:50:58,801
Speaker 25: That's how I remember her. And you know, I want

819
00:50:58,841 --> 00:51:00,841
Speaker 25: her to have a voice. I want her to be

820
00:51:00,921 --> 00:51:03,841
Speaker 25: one of you know, the five hundred plus the amage

821
00:51:03,841 --> 00:51:04,281
Speaker 25: of women.

822
00:51:05,121 --> 00:51:07,161
Speaker 9: You haven't had a voice.

823
00:51:07,561 --> 00:51:11,681
Speaker 25: You know, it's atrocious the rates that our women have

824
00:51:11,801 --> 00:51:16,081
Speaker 25: been beaten and killed and nothing's done about it.

825
00:51:16,721 --> 00:51:19,841
Speaker 9: And I know he's spent his life at a mental institution.

826
00:51:21,921 --> 00:51:26,081
Speaker 4: Tanya Sansbury is the daughter of Charmaine Daphney's second born.

827
00:51:26,921 --> 00:51:30,601
Speaker 8: So a fond memory I have of Nana is she

828
00:51:30,681 --> 00:51:33,161
Speaker 8: came and she took me to the movies. I can't

829
00:51:33,201 --> 00:51:35,601
Speaker 8: remember what movie we saw, but I remember her giving

830
00:51:35,601 --> 00:51:38,481
Speaker 8: me these socks and they had Daffy Duck on him,

831
00:51:38,481 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 8: because of course that was her nickname, right, was Daffy Duck.

832
00:51:42,561 --> 00:51:43,601
Speaker 9: And I remember.

833
00:51:43,281 --> 00:51:47,921
Speaker 8: Holding her hand and skipping alongside of her. And I

834
00:51:48,001 --> 00:51:53,201
Speaker 8: remember going to her flat that she had out on

835
00:51:53,481 --> 00:51:59,001
Speaker 8: Marion Roade, and I remember Uncle Snooky was there, Annie

836
00:51:59,001 --> 00:52:03,601
Speaker 8: Sharon was there, and I remember playing with kids there.

837
00:52:03,721 --> 00:52:04,961
Speaker 9: Very vague on who that well.

838
00:52:05,921 --> 00:52:08,321
Speaker 8: And I know that prior to that when I was little,

839
00:52:08,321 --> 00:52:10,281
Speaker 8: because I've got photos of me.

840
00:52:10,401 --> 00:52:13,121
Speaker 9: And her flat that she had.

841
00:52:13,161 --> 00:52:17,361
Speaker 8: On Churchill Road, and I think there's a vague, vague,

842
00:52:17,481 --> 00:52:21,321
Speaker 8: vague back in my brain I think about it. I

843
00:52:21,361 --> 00:52:24,281
Speaker 8: think I have some visual stuff, but the only thing

844
00:52:24,321 --> 00:52:27,361
Speaker 8: that really tells me that I've actually been there is

845
00:52:27,441 --> 00:52:30,601
Speaker 8: photos like walking on the fence out the front. There's

846
00:52:30,601 --> 00:52:33,241
Speaker 8: a photo of me, So that's interesting. And I was

847
00:52:33,361 --> 00:52:39,241
Speaker 8: really little, maybe two three, definitely definitely toddle age. So

848
00:52:39,401 --> 00:52:42,401
Speaker 8: and I think that speaks to the fact that our

849
00:52:42,401 --> 00:52:48,161
Speaker 8: connection with her was so small and limited. And I

850
00:52:48,321 --> 00:52:52,441
Speaker 8: often sit and think about how hard it would have

851
00:52:52,481 --> 00:52:53,481
Speaker 8: been for her.

852
00:52:53,921 --> 00:52:56,281
Speaker 9: And how her shame and her.

853
00:52:56,241 --> 00:53:00,521
Speaker 8: Trauma played a role in her not being as connected

854
00:53:00,561 --> 00:53:03,401
Speaker 8: as she wanted to be. I wonder how much that

855
00:53:03,521 --> 00:53:07,321
Speaker 8: impacted on her and why she wasn't more active I

856
00:53:07,361 --> 00:53:10,761
Speaker 8: would say about connecting with us. So I often think

857
00:53:10,761 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 8: about that, and I often think about the fact that

858
00:53:13,681 --> 00:53:16,161
Speaker 8: what shits me is this has happened.

859
00:53:15,921 --> 00:53:19,801
Speaker 9: To us because of the system. And the system's not broken.

860
00:53:19,881 --> 00:53:22,521
Speaker 9: It was made that way. It was made to just

861
00:53:22,521 --> 00:53:24,321
Speaker 9: destroy us as a family.

862
00:53:25,241 --> 00:53:29,121
Speaker 8: It was made to tear away our identity and our

863
00:53:29,201 --> 00:53:32,201
Speaker 8: culture and our connectedness.

864
00:53:31,921 --> 00:53:34,881
Speaker 9: And nothing has changed, you know.

865
00:53:35,001 --> 00:53:37,921
Speaker 8: And I think we often sit in those spaces of

866
00:53:38,081 --> 00:53:41,121
Speaker 8: why us. You know, it's something that we've never had

867
00:53:41,161 --> 00:53:43,761
Speaker 8: any control over it. You know, it's always been out

868
00:53:43,801 --> 00:53:47,041
Speaker 8: of our control. And that's another part of it that

869
00:53:47,081 --> 00:53:50,881
Speaker 8: makes me angry, is that if the system wasn't made

870
00:53:50,881 --> 00:53:53,721
Speaker 8: the way it was, would we still be together as

871
00:53:53,761 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 8: a family with Nana and the fact that he got

872
00:53:58,481 --> 00:54:02,201
Speaker 8: away with murder. I think it's mindful and it's kind

873
00:54:02,241 --> 00:54:02,921
Speaker 8: of connects with.

874
00:54:02,881 --> 00:54:03,881
Speaker 12: The work that I've been doing.

875
00:54:03,921 --> 00:54:06,121
Speaker 8: So I've been working in domestics for ten years and

876
00:54:06,561 --> 00:54:09,641
Speaker 8: I see that story of women in violence. I've been

877
00:54:09,681 --> 00:54:12,761
Speaker 8: seeing it for ten years, and so I kind of

878
00:54:12,801 --> 00:54:17,841
Speaker 8: really understand that aspect of what power do Aboriginal women have?

879
00:54:19,241 --> 00:54:21,801
Speaker 9: What power do we actually have? And this is a

880
00:54:21,841 --> 00:54:22,921
Speaker 9: great way to give.

881
00:54:22,801 --> 00:54:27,521
Speaker 8: Power to eenpower women, Aboriginal women, to give voice to

882
00:54:28,681 --> 00:54:32,961
Speaker 8: the invisibleness that exists for us and make.

883
00:54:33,121 --> 00:54:36,041
Speaker 9: The wider community stand up and understand.

884
00:54:35,681 --> 00:54:38,281
Speaker 8: Who we are, that we're not just a number, and

885
00:54:38,321 --> 00:54:40,321
Speaker 8: that we're not just a statistic. You know, we're a

886
00:54:40,401 --> 00:54:42,561
Speaker 8: statistic as soon as the minute that we're born that

887
00:54:42,601 --> 00:54:45,161
Speaker 8: because we're born from an Aboriginal parent. I want to

888
00:54:45,201 --> 00:54:49,401
Speaker 8: be able to destroy some of those untrue stories that

889
00:54:49,441 --> 00:54:52,561
Speaker 8: have been told about us because we know they're not true.

890
00:54:52,561 --> 00:54:55,641
Speaker 8: We're not just a bunch of drugs and alcoholics, you know, drug.

891
00:54:55,361 --> 00:54:56,801
Speaker 9: Addicts, violence.

892
00:54:57,121 --> 00:54:57,761
Speaker 11: We're not that.

893
00:54:58,641 --> 00:54:59,681
Speaker 9: We never have been that.

894
00:55:00,161 --> 00:55:02,601
Speaker 8: And if some people in our community are that, where

895
00:55:02,641 --> 00:55:05,041
Speaker 8: do they learn that from because it didn't come from

896
00:55:05,081 --> 00:55:08,881
Speaker 8: marrowing people, right, The actually come from the colonizers, and

897
00:55:08,921 --> 00:55:11,041
Speaker 8: they have to take more responsibility for that because the

898
00:55:11,361 --> 00:55:14,321
Speaker 8: truth telling is the most important thing that we have

899
00:55:15,001 --> 00:55:18,241
Speaker 8: is to tell the truth, and that's our truth, right

900
00:55:18,921 --> 00:55:20,601
Speaker 8: the impact of the system of own family.

901
00:55:23,841 --> 00:55:27,241
Speaker 25: I've waited in the child protection field for the last

902
00:55:27,681 --> 00:55:32,561
Speaker 25: fifteen or so years, not for the department, but within

903
00:55:32,721 --> 00:55:37,721
Speaker 25: the department. I've seen the best and the worst. What

904
00:55:38,161 --> 00:55:44,161
Speaker 25: you know, our kids have suffered. What pathetic excuses the department.

905
00:55:43,761 --> 00:55:46,881
Speaker 9: Used to remove our children, you know.

906
00:55:47,081 --> 00:55:51,281
Speaker 25: And I fight this fights so my kids don't have

907
00:55:51,481 --> 00:55:55,281
Speaker 25: to continue and so my grandkids don't have to continue

908
00:55:55,321 --> 00:55:55,641
Speaker 25: this fight.

909
00:55:55,801 --> 00:56:00,681
Speaker 9: But I am fucking tired. You know, it never ends.

910
00:56:01,201 --> 00:56:03,561
Speaker 25: You know, women have been met and left, right and center,

911
00:56:03,761 --> 00:56:06,961
Speaker 25: and at the end of the day, it shouldn't matter

912
00:56:07,401 --> 00:56:11,001
Speaker 25: how they've lived their life or how they lived. None

913
00:56:11,001 --> 00:56:14,801
Speaker 25: of them deserve to have their life taken. We didn't

914
00:56:14,841 --> 00:56:21,601
Speaker 25: deserve to have nandertaken. And the most I use is

915
00:56:21,601 --> 00:56:24,121
Speaker 25: that I will not stay silent for you to feel.

916
00:56:23,961 --> 00:56:27,361
Speaker 9: Comfortable, because that I don't like talking about us.

917
00:56:28,241 --> 00:56:30,801
Speaker 25: That I'm like as being in the media unless it's

918
00:56:31,161 --> 00:56:32,721
Speaker 25: we're made to look bad.

919
00:56:33,401 --> 00:56:34,921
Speaker 9: The atrocious stories of.

920
00:56:35,001 --> 00:56:40,721
Speaker 25: How our women have died is horrendous, and a lot

921
00:56:40,761 --> 00:56:45,321
Speaker 25: of women are like that. It's terrible what you know

922
00:56:45,561 --> 00:56:50,841
Speaker 25: their partners have done for them and children and fifteen

923
00:56:50,961 --> 00:56:52,321
Speaker 25: years of being.

924
00:56:52,161 --> 00:56:54,121
Speaker 9: Immersed in that.

925
00:56:54,121 --> 00:56:59,281
Speaker 25: That's a load I carry within my work life and

926
00:56:59,361 --> 00:57:05,001
Speaker 25: my home life. It's something that is a constant remind

927
00:57:05,081 --> 00:57:11,481
Speaker 25: under let her not being here, because every time, you know,

928
00:57:11,761 --> 00:57:15,681
Speaker 25: I hear another woman's been burners and.

929
00:57:15,641 --> 00:57:18,161
Speaker 9: The systemic racism that follows.

930
00:57:19,121 --> 00:57:22,561
Speaker 25: You know, she was just a drunk, She did want help,

931
00:57:22,681 --> 00:57:24,801
Speaker 25: She rang the police, but when we turned up, she

932
00:57:25,001 --> 00:57:26,001
Speaker 25: denied he hit her.

933
00:57:27,041 --> 00:57:31,521
Speaker 9: What did I expect? They don't do anything and the

934
00:57:31,561 --> 00:57:33,641
Speaker 9: women are frights under the repercussions.

935
00:57:35,361 --> 00:57:38,801
Speaker 25: How many inquests do we have to have into murdered

936
00:57:38,921 --> 00:57:44,881
Speaker 25: women before they introduce something. I'm sick of reading inquest

937
00:57:45,001 --> 00:57:49,561
Speaker 25: after inquest, recommendation after recommendation, and nothing is done.

938
00:57:50,281 --> 00:57:53,921
Speaker 9: So I'm hoping that this will change it.

939
00:57:58,041 --> 00:58:04,081
Speaker 7: Hello, Oh this was me, Gerry Branson. I watched that

940
00:58:04,361 --> 00:58:05,961
Speaker 7: with Yes, we are.

941
00:58:07,401 --> 00:58:10,801
Speaker 26: All missing the one person in all our lives that

942
00:58:10,841 --> 00:58:17,601
Speaker 26: we missed dearly more ways than mine individually. It's undescribable

943
00:58:19,081 --> 00:58:22,801
Speaker 26: how much we missed Mum, and a real lucky enough

944
00:58:22,841 --> 00:58:26,321
Speaker 26: to for some of us to meet Mum and live

945
00:58:26,441 --> 00:58:27,721
Speaker 26: our precious lives with her.

946
00:58:29,161 --> 00:58:31,761
Speaker 4: Jerry was five when he was removed from his mother's

947
00:58:31,801 --> 00:58:35,081
Speaker 4: care and grew up with a foster family. He only

948
00:58:35,121 --> 00:58:37,481
Speaker 4: reconnected with his mother at age eighteen.

949
00:58:39,041 --> 00:58:41,041
Speaker 26: I was lucky enough to take three years with month

950
00:58:41,281 --> 00:58:44,321
Speaker 26: prior the months passing.

951
00:58:44,721 --> 00:58:48,441
Speaker 7: But I learned a lot from within.

952
00:58:49,641 --> 00:58:53,161
Speaker 26: Each aspects of life shamed me this way, that way,

953
00:58:53,481 --> 00:58:55,641
Speaker 26: just the walk.

954
00:58:55,481 --> 00:58:56,401
Speaker 12: And talk of life.

955
00:58:57,201 --> 00:58:59,721
Speaker 26: Be the person that you are, don't change your color

956
00:58:59,801 --> 00:59:02,801
Speaker 26: to nobody, and standing up for what you think is right.

957
00:59:04,281 --> 00:59:06,561
Speaker 26: And that's just the way it always has been, in

958
00:59:06,801 --> 00:59:10,521
Speaker 26: the way it is. It's done a fair bit of

959
00:59:10,521 --> 00:59:14,281
Speaker 26: traveling with Mum. Actually the Point Pierce in her lovely

960
00:59:14,361 --> 00:59:20,281
Speaker 26: carved the veg panel and white panel. Then the funny

961
00:59:20,321 --> 00:59:23,361
Speaker 26: thing about this, this story is that Mom said, you

962
00:59:23,361 --> 00:59:24,561
Speaker 26: have a license, you can drive.

963
00:59:25,441 --> 00:59:26,441
Speaker 7: Yep, no worries.

964
00:59:26,561 --> 00:59:29,761
Speaker 26: I drove the point Pierce and just so happened that

965
00:59:29,841 --> 00:59:34,521
Speaker 26: started to rain. No wipers, It didn't work. I'm driving

966
00:59:34,721 --> 00:59:37,321
Speaker 26: down down Port wait for rade with my hand out

967
00:59:37,361 --> 00:59:43,161
Speaker 26: so with wipers and had to laugh. And and that's

968
00:59:43,161 --> 00:59:45,041
Speaker 26: when Mum took me to the Point Pierce to introduced

969
00:59:45,041 --> 00:59:48,601
Speaker 26: me to all my cousins in Point Piers and aunties

970
00:59:48,601 --> 00:59:51,161
Speaker 26: and uncles and so on.

971
00:59:52,121 --> 00:59:57,721
Speaker 7: Mom is she just beam my life. She disclothed wherever

972
00:59:57,761 --> 00:59:59,961
Speaker 7: she went, where she whoever she talked to you.

973
01:00:00,121 --> 01:00:00,921
Speaker 12: She was a magnet.

974
01:00:01,721 --> 01:00:05,681
Speaker 26: She just drew in anybody, and everybody we're talking passed.

975
01:00:05,401 --> 01:00:05,881
Speaker 7: The end of us.

976
01:00:05,921 --> 01:00:08,961
Speaker 26: We're exactly the same, all painted with the one stick,

977
01:00:11,001 --> 01:00:15,881
Speaker 26: and we are the same. We're beaming light and when

978
01:00:15,881 --> 01:00:19,361
Speaker 26: we get together we are just as bright as the time.

979
01:00:21,281 --> 01:00:23,921
Speaker 7: The knowledge that she's given me as well is just

980
01:00:24,441 --> 01:00:28,281
Speaker 7: a phenomenal. You know, they walk.

981
01:00:28,161 --> 01:00:30,321
Speaker 26: Through a crowd of people and you'd be as a

982
01:00:30,641 --> 01:00:33,761
Speaker 26: pick a person and you know who they were with

983
01:00:33,921 --> 01:00:34,601
Speaker 26: an instant.

984
01:00:35,041 --> 01:00:36,441
Speaker 7: You can read them lock a book.

985
01:00:37,841 --> 01:00:41,361
Speaker 26: That was Mum's teaching in my eyes and looking at

986
01:00:41,441 --> 01:00:44,321
Speaker 26: life with mon But there's.

987
01:00:44,161 --> 01:00:45,721
Speaker 7: Only three years. That should have been longer.

988
01:00:47,041 --> 01:00:52,361
Speaker 26: And as for being fostered out, well that was very

989
01:00:52,401 --> 01:00:57,561
Speaker 26: traumatic for all of us in regards of how we've

990
01:00:57,601 --> 01:01:01,241
Speaker 26: turned out. But we still hold that same rock solid

991
01:01:01,401 --> 01:01:07,281
Speaker 26: bond that we have been given a life that they

992
01:01:07,321 --> 01:01:10,361
Speaker 26: were born and that's just not going to be taken

993
01:01:10,401 --> 01:01:14,881
Speaker 26: away from us. We will always walk the path of

994
01:01:15,121 --> 01:01:24,761
Speaker 26: Mum's way of life. I believe. I see after losing Mum,

995
01:01:24,801 --> 01:01:28,681
Speaker 26: well that was just traumatic again.

996
01:01:30,201 --> 01:01:38,721
Speaker 7: I lost them mm hmmm. I resorted back to when

997
01:01:38,761 --> 01:01:39,681
Speaker 7: I was fostered out.

998
01:01:40,761 --> 01:01:48,121
Speaker 26: I was the fine, uncontrollable, a person that just hates

999
01:01:48,161 --> 01:01:48,961
Speaker 26: everything around them.

1000
01:01:55,561 --> 01:01:57,961
Speaker 7: I lost my shine then.

1001
01:01:59,761 --> 01:02:00,281
Speaker 12: White like.

1002
01:02:04,161 --> 01:02:10,321
Speaker 7: Uh, I got to cut shup because it's doesn't making

1003
01:02:10,401 --> 01:02:17,441
Speaker 7: me angry inside and it will be there and I'm

1004
01:02:17,481 --> 01:02:18,041
Speaker 7: still there.

1005
01:02:21,961 --> 01:02:28,881
Speaker 4: From me, Jerry has been holding a lot of guilt

1006
01:02:28,921 --> 01:02:33,201
Speaker 4: over his mum's death. In nineteen eighty two. Joy Sansby

1007
01:02:33,241 --> 01:02:35,641
Speaker 4: told police that her mother had been angry with Jerry

1008
01:02:35,881 --> 01:02:37,921
Speaker 4: when she went out on the night of her murder.

1009
01:02:38,681 --> 01:02:41,601
Speaker 4: Jerry had cut up her garden hose and she planned

1010
01:02:41,601 --> 01:02:44,041
Speaker 4: to go out and get rotten drunk, then come home

1011
01:02:44,081 --> 01:02:44,841
Speaker 4: and give him hell.

1012
01:02:45,801 --> 01:02:47,201
Speaker 16: But she never made it home.

1013
01:02:48,361 --> 01:02:52,961
Speaker 27: So I'm Rannie. I'm Jerry's daughter, to be honest, I

1014
01:02:52,961 --> 01:02:56,561
Speaker 27: feel and carry so much of Nan from what Dad

1015
01:02:56,601 --> 01:02:59,241
Speaker 27: has told me. And yeah, I guess it's about all

1016
01:02:59,241 --> 01:03:03,161
Speaker 27: of you's brothers and sisters. You're getting some healing, I

1017
01:03:03,161 --> 01:03:07,761
Speaker 27: guess from that trauma. But yeah, my main concern is

1018
01:03:07,921 --> 01:03:10,481
Speaker 27: Jerry and how he holds this so close to him,

1019
01:03:10,521 --> 01:03:14,401
Speaker 27: and every day, Yeah, he blames himself, and I just, yeah,

1020
01:03:14,401 --> 01:03:14,881
Speaker 27: I wish that.

1021
01:03:16,801 --> 01:03:28,801
Speaker 28: He wouldn't, but yeah, that's yeah, that's my my main

1022
01:03:29,281 --> 01:03:29,761
Speaker 28: every day.

1023
01:03:30,121 --> 01:03:32,921
Speaker 9: What you go, don't blame you.

1024
01:03:37,081 --> 01:03:59,561
Speaker 29: I never had so he's supposed to be had that. No, So.

1025
01:04:04,401 --> 01:04:08,881
Speaker 18: Okay, we need for you to let what you want

1026
01:04:08,921 --> 01:04:12,001
Speaker 18: for Dad and what you thought the outcomes to all this.

1027
01:04:13,921 --> 01:04:16,281
Speaker 12: Your dad has spoken to me about the anger that

1028
01:04:16,321 --> 01:04:17,521
Speaker 12: he's carried for a long time.

1029
01:04:17,801 --> 01:04:20,161
Speaker 4: Yeah, he finds difficult to put down, and he also

1030
01:04:20,681 --> 01:04:24,561
Speaker 4: feels very bad that he has sometimes put that on

1031
01:04:24,641 --> 01:04:28,121
Speaker 4: his children as well, and he struggles to move beyond that.

1032
01:04:29,721 --> 01:04:32,601
Speaker 27: So I think it goes back to I think Dad

1033
01:04:32,681 --> 01:04:35,001
Speaker 27: and was it Uncle Snooky or they chopped up her

1034
01:04:35,001 --> 01:04:38,081
Speaker 27: garden hose and she got it was Dad. Yeah, she

1035
01:04:38,121 --> 01:04:40,641
Speaker 27: got really angry and wild about it and then took

1036
01:04:40,641 --> 01:04:42,681
Speaker 27: off for the night drinking and that's when she didn't

1037
01:04:42,681 --> 01:04:43,041
Speaker 27: come home.

1038
01:04:43,121 --> 01:04:46,961
Speaker 1: So that's take Dad blames himself for that because he.

1039
01:04:47,361 --> 01:04:48,521
Speaker 18: Feel sidies.

1040
01:04:49,761 --> 01:04:50,281
Speaker 1: From us.

1041
01:04:50,361 --> 01:04:53,961
Speaker 18: He's taken it from his siblings and he's taken it from.

1042
01:04:53,801 --> 01:04:54,641
Speaker 11: His nephew and.

1043
01:04:56,921 --> 01:04:59,001
Speaker 18: This has been forty four years.

1044
01:04:59,201 --> 01:04:59,801
Speaker 7: A burden.

1045
01:05:00,001 --> 01:05:00,561
Speaker 6: That's the way.

1046
01:05:01,841 --> 01:05:08,121
Speaker 18: It's the way he is, and I feel he's pain

1047
01:05:08,801 --> 01:05:10,641
Speaker 18: every day.

1048
01:05:11,321 --> 01:05:13,201
Speaker 7: That's why he's the way he's.

1049
01:05:14,881 --> 01:05:20,401
Speaker 18: Because he eating every one of us he does, specially

1050
01:05:20,401 --> 01:05:21,441
Speaker 18: the grand babies.

1051
01:05:22,401 --> 01:05:24,161
Speaker 14: I wouldn't want you any other way rather than you

1052
01:05:24,521 --> 01:05:29,761
Speaker 14: are now, heart and soul and spirit always always, And

1053
01:05:29,841 --> 01:05:34,441
Speaker 14: unfortunately it was mum's time. Sadly, you've got to take

1054
01:05:34,481 --> 01:05:37,761
Speaker 14: that bird, bob yourself, brother, for you, for your children

1055
01:05:37,761 --> 01:05:38,841
Speaker 14: and your grand baby.

1056
01:05:40,081 --> 01:05:43,521
Speaker 1: You need to live now, really really live.

1057
01:05:44,841 --> 01:05:46,321
Speaker 18: This is what you wanted mama.

1058
01:05:47,721 --> 01:05:50,041
Speaker 14: Okay, So you know how we're yeng about what we

1059
01:05:50,081 --> 01:05:52,121
Speaker 14: want to achieve from this healing.

1060
01:05:53,201 --> 01:05:54,641
Speaker 1: You speak up about that now.

1061
01:05:54,921 --> 01:05:56,041
Speaker 12: That's the longest point.

1062
01:05:58,081 --> 01:06:00,041
Speaker 18: We need to live that bird and brother, I understand.

1063
01:06:00,121 --> 01:06:00,521
Speaker 7: I saw that.

1064
01:06:00,641 --> 01:06:01,521
Speaker 11: I was there with you.

1065
01:06:02,041 --> 01:06:05,561
Speaker 7: I lived with you that day. You know that.

1066
01:06:07,721 --> 01:06:09,801
Speaker 18: I've thought that burdened for you too, do you, Jerry?

1067
01:06:10,121 --> 01:06:15,721
Speaker 7: Okay, just got a little bit for this is.

1068
01:06:18,801 --> 01:06:24,161
Speaker 18: Yeah, Oh welcome, thank you.

1069
01:06:25,881 --> 01:06:28,401
Speaker 19: Thanks, that's yeah, that's my late one.

1070
01:06:30,001 --> 01:06:32,761
Speaker 27: Yeah, getting healing for dad, I guess, and for the

1071
01:06:32,761 --> 01:06:34,161
Speaker 27: rest of the siblings.

1072
01:06:38,561 --> 01:06:48,361
Speaker 7: It's well she taught us. Well, we'll talk he.

1073
01:06:52,481 --> 01:06:52,641
Speaker 30: Hi.

1074
01:06:52,881 --> 01:06:56,561
Speaker 9: I'm Laura Sansbury, daughter of Margaret Brown.

1075
01:06:58,081 --> 01:07:01,681
Speaker 4: The Lake Margaret Brown was Daphne's fourth child, born in

1076
01:07:01,761 --> 01:07:02,801
Speaker 4: nineteen fifty six.

1077
01:07:05,121 --> 01:07:09,441
Speaker 31: I'm gonna cry straight away.

1078
01:07:10,641 --> 01:07:11,801
Speaker 7: Knowing then was great.

1079
01:07:12,601 --> 01:07:16,441
Speaker 31: She was funny, always funny.

1080
01:07:17,041 --> 01:07:17,641
Speaker 19: No matter what.

1081
01:07:17,601 --> 01:07:19,681
Speaker 31: We were doing, she was always checking in to make

1082
01:07:19,721 --> 01:07:23,041
Speaker 31: sure that you better be doing the right thing. No

1083
01:07:23,201 --> 01:07:26,521
Speaker 31: further from her front door, Marion Robe were allowed to pass.

1084
01:07:28,241 --> 01:07:30,441
Speaker 1: She's seen us near that window. She would scoot us

1085
01:07:30,521 --> 01:07:32,681
Speaker 1: right back grass area, only.

1086
01:07:34,001 --> 01:07:35,041
Speaker 16: Oh so hard.

1087
01:07:35,201 --> 01:07:38,641
Speaker 7: She's she was really awesome.

1088
01:07:38,921 --> 01:07:42,841
Speaker 31: Like meeting Dad for the first time, she tucked him

1089
01:07:42,841 --> 01:07:46,961
Speaker 31: in straight away. Every child of hers that brought in

1090
01:07:47,081 --> 01:07:52,761
Speaker 31: a partner she instantly just attached to. So she was

1091
01:07:52,881 --> 01:07:58,721
Speaker 31: never judgmental with anybody. The first time we met Uncle Jerry,

1092
01:07:59,601 --> 01:08:03,521
Speaker 31: Nana was walking down a cavenue with him, and Dad

1093
01:08:03,721 --> 01:08:06,961
Speaker 31: looked at Mum and said, who is this long headed

1094
01:08:07,081 --> 01:08:12,521
Speaker 31: git with Mum and Mom's like, way up there, Jeff,

1095
01:08:13,481 --> 01:08:16,521
Speaker 31: and then Uncle Jerry. Nana had walked up and she's thought, well,

1096
01:08:16,561 --> 01:08:20,961
Speaker 31: this is your brother. This is my youngest son, And

1097
01:08:21,081 --> 01:08:25,001
Speaker 31: Dad did the youngest son, I'm the son.

1098
01:08:26,481 --> 01:08:26,841
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1099
01:08:26,961 --> 01:08:27,521
Speaker 19: They clicked.

1100
01:08:27,561 --> 01:08:32,641
Speaker 31: When Nana seen Mum and Uncle Jerry together but united,

1101
01:08:32,801 --> 01:08:34,401
Speaker 31: you could see the warmth come out of her.

1102
01:08:34,481 --> 01:08:34,921
Speaker 1: She was.

1103
01:08:36,401 --> 01:08:37,921
Speaker 7: Glowing like she was happy.

1104
01:08:38,041 --> 01:08:42,361
Speaker 31: Finally, you know, she brought something together that was taken

1105
01:08:42,401 --> 01:08:42,841
Speaker 31: from her.

1106
01:08:44,041 --> 01:08:46,641
Speaker 7: Mum was as bubbly as she was a big sister.

1107
01:08:46,721 --> 01:08:48,800
Speaker 11: She loved, she loves Uncle Jerry.

1108
01:08:49,961 --> 01:08:55,481
Speaker 31: She loved it all. Mum was mutual. None was the same.

1109
01:08:55,921 --> 01:08:59,641
Speaker 31: None loved everybody. None wanted to be there for everybody.

1110
01:09:00,401 --> 01:09:02,481
Speaker 31: I didn't get together the funeral in them. I don't

1111
01:09:02,521 --> 01:09:02,961
Speaker 31: know if that was.

1112
01:09:03,001 --> 01:09:05,201
Speaker 11: Mum and Dud's choice.

1113
01:09:05,401 --> 01:09:10,361
Speaker 31: I think a week after Nana was taken, I woke

1114
01:09:10,441 --> 01:09:14,481
Speaker 31: up at two o'clock in the morning in my dream

1115
01:09:14,721 --> 01:09:19,321
Speaker 31: and I had a huge huntsman on my chest. When

1116
01:09:19,321 --> 01:09:21,641
Speaker 31: I woke up, I looked up and on the end

1117
01:09:21,641 --> 01:09:27,041
Speaker 31: of my bed was Nana and she was going to

1118
01:09:27,121 --> 01:09:29,680
Speaker 31: me like it's okay, It's okay. And then Uncle Jerry

1119
01:09:29,681 --> 01:09:33,361
Speaker 31: comes running through the door with the hammer to kill

1120
01:09:33,401 --> 01:09:36,681
Speaker 31: this huntsman that's on my chest. As he goes to

1121
01:09:36,721 --> 01:09:40,081
Speaker 31: hit the huntsman, I wake up from this dream and

1122
01:09:40,121 --> 01:09:41,601
Speaker 31: then I just see Nana walking.

1123
01:09:41,321 --> 01:09:41,801
Speaker 7: Out the door.

1124
01:09:43,001 --> 01:09:46,321
Speaker 31: That was my last scene of Nana. Like I smell

1125
01:09:46,361 --> 01:09:50,121
Speaker 31: her a lot. Every time I see a dinner tray,

1126
01:09:50,441 --> 01:09:56,041
Speaker 31: I think Nana and Orange just I remember her orange

1127
01:09:56,081 --> 01:09:59,641
Speaker 31: curtains in the Marion flat and they.

1128
01:09:59,521 --> 01:10:01,521
Speaker 11: Were closed on dark.

1129
01:10:02,881 --> 01:10:04,720
Speaker 1: And opened the ford light.

1130
01:10:06,241 --> 01:10:07,361
Speaker 11: But I don't know.

1131
01:10:07,601 --> 01:10:10,681
Speaker 31: I've got a lot of memories of Nane, but the

1132
01:10:10,841 --> 01:10:14,561
Speaker 31: memories that I've been hearing and then they jump in

1133
01:10:14,641 --> 01:10:16,201
Speaker 31: so it's like, I don't know if it's a memory

1134
01:10:16,321 --> 01:10:20,281
Speaker 31: or if it's you heard that, But I just I

1135
01:10:20,321 --> 01:10:23,361
Speaker 31: do know. She loves everybody that she come across. She's

1136
01:10:23,481 --> 01:10:28,081
Speaker 31: not a harmful person. If you were an ass, she

1137
01:10:28,121 --> 01:10:29,681
Speaker 31: would just she still love you.

1138
01:10:29,801 --> 01:10:36,801
Speaker 32: She was warm, always warm, and he deserves to get

1139
01:10:38,081 --> 01:10:42,201
Speaker 32: Any woman is ever truded like that needs to be heard.

1140
01:10:42,321 --> 01:10:50,001
Speaker 31: And she's definitely a big factor here. We also cry

1141
01:10:50,001 --> 01:10:52,361
Speaker 31: about her dad. He talks about her. He said he

1142
01:10:52,441 --> 01:10:56,641
Speaker 31: married her daughter, but she was the most amazing woman.

1143
01:10:57,441 --> 01:11:03,481
Speaker 31: No one could, no one could shine over her of women.

1144
01:11:05,641 --> 01:11:11,041
Speaker 31: That's not biased, it's not biased. And that's if Mum

1145
01:11:11,201 --> 01:11:14,601
Speaker 31: was here, she would probably sit on the floor and

1146
01:11:14,641 --> 01:11:19,760
Speaker 31: cry and tell everyone being fucked because that was men's words.

1147
01:11:20,841 --> 01:11:24,601
Speaker 31: And that's yeah, it's sad. I can't if I do

1148
01:11:24,641 --> 01:11:30,361
Speaker 31: any more, I want to cry hysterically. But thank you guys.

1149
01:11:31,841 --> 01:11:32,041
Speaker 23: Hi.

1150
01:11:33,001 --> 01:11:37,321
Speaker 9: Thanks the youngest or deafnely thanksby Dutch Barkay.

1151
01:11:38,001 --> 01:11:41,241
Speaker 33: I'm one of the children who was taken out of

1152
01:11:41,241 --> 01:11:45,921
Speaker 33: the stolen freneration, fostered family. They were trying their kids

1153
01:11:46,001 --> 01:11:50,321
Speaker 33: that they fostered me and then five kids came after it.

1154
01:11:51,281 --> 01:11:52,041
Speaker 19: Never met my mother.

1155
01:11:54,161 --> 01:11:59,561
Speaker 34: The only things I remember is as a a little

1156
01:11:59,601 --> 01:12:02,841
Speaker 34: girl standing at the warfare's upper store.

1157
01:12:03,041 --> 01:12:04,681
Speaker 9: Mom was currently supposed to turn up.

1158
01:12:05,841 --> 01:12:10,241
Speaker 35: It was raining, it was pouring down. All I could

1159
01:12:10,321 --> 01:12:14,001
Speaker 35: hear was the welfare lady stating how much of grid

1160
01:12:15,401 --> 01:12:18,760
Speaker 35: So that was one part, and then.

1161
01:12:18,841 --> 01:12:22,721
Speaker 36: Welfare constantly telling us that my foster parents and me

1162
01:12:23,641 --> 01:12:26,041
Speaker 36: that Mum didn't want us and never will want us.

1163
01:12:26,841 --> 01:12:29,881
Speaker 19: So I've carried through my whole life that.

1164
01:12:31,481 --> 01:12:36,121
Speaker 35: Excuse my friendship got Fuck mum, the pain of a

1165
01:12:36,201 --> 01:12:40,920
Speaker 35: loved Right now, as a sixty year old, I'm breathing.

1166
01:12:41,721 --> 01:12:43,561
Speaker 9: I'm on a roller coaster ride right now.

1167
01:12:45,041 --> 01:12:48,241
Speaker 33: You know that roller coaster just not stopping, Like you're

1168
01:12:48,241 --> 01:12:50,641
Speaker 33: stopping the next step and you you're crying your heart

1169
01:12:50,721 --> 01:12:53,201
Speaker 33: out the next stop is just so damn angry.

1170
01:12:54,801 --> 01:13:00,161
Speaker 9: The whole situation where Mum's murder. It was weird because

1171
01:13:02,361 --> 01:13:06,721
Speaker 9: that night I was we were living in gaul It

1172
01:13:06,961 --> 01:13:11,441
Speaker 9: sound asleep. I couldn't breathe. I kept feeling my net

1173
01:13:11,521 --> 01:13:12,241
Speaker 9: being strangled.

1174
01:13:12,721 --> 01:13:14,881
Speaker 33: I've never spoken The only person I've spoken to you

1175
01:13:15,001 --> 01:13:19,641
Speaker 33: about this is being I was grabbing, trying to grabbed

1176
01:13:19,681 --> 01:13:24,641
Speaker 33: something I couldn't any struggling with de breathe, and then

1177
01:13:24,681 --> 01:13:27,881
Speaker 33: I eventually something was released and that I've got and.

1178
01:13:28,081 --> 01:13:32,201
Speaker 9: Put and on the wire. I freaked out, totally freaked out.

1179
01:13:32,241 --> 01:13:34,961
Speaker 36: I left a light on and it didn't occur to

1180
01:13:35,081 --> 01:13:36,441
Speaker 36: me until later on.

1181
01:13:36,561 --> 01:13:39,561
Speaker 9: In light that about Mum's murder.

1182
01:13:41,121 --> 01:13:45,281
Speaker 36: I didn't I didn't go to the funeral because I've

1183
01:13:45,281 --> 01:13:48,281
Speaker 36: still had a lot of hate and frustration, anger about

1184
01:13:48,281 --> 01:13:53,161
Speaker 36: the whole situation, about being flustered out at trauma in

1185
01:13:53,441 --> 01:13:56,521
Speaker 36: my life in regards to Coster family, which I'm not

1186
01:13:56,561 --> 01:13:57,241
Speaker 36: going to indulge.

1187
01:13:57,281 --> 01:14:05,401
Speaker 34: So do I want justice, Yes, I don't know, probably

1188
01:14:05,401 --> 01:14:07,561
Speaker 34: not going to happen. But what I would do want

1189
01:14:07,961 --> 01:14:11,441
Speaker 34: is that something to happen in the future for all,

1190
01:14:11,961 --> 01:14:14,601
Speaker 34: not only just in business women, but for all women,

1191
01:14:15,161 --> 01:14:18,561
Speaker 34: that we've got a right to stay alive, we've got

1192
01:14:18,641 --> 01:14:20,881
Speaker 34: a right to be protected, we've got to write, to

1193
01:14:20,961 --> 01:14:23,401
Speaker 34: be loved, we've.

1194
01:14:23,241 --> 01:14:26,241
Speaker 9: Got a right to be on this earth as much

1195
01:14:26,241 --> 01:14:27,281
Speaker 9: as everybody else.

1196
01:14:27,681 --> 01:14:31,481
Speaker 12: So yep, that's it.

1197
01:14:34,321 --> 01:14:34,641
Speaker 30: Thank you.

1198
01:14:37,881 --> 01:14:39,961
Speaker 37: Your name is Selena and I'm the daughter of Sharon

1199
01:14:40,041 --> 01:14:43,441
Speaker 37: Sainsbury and she's the daughter of Daphanie Sainsbury.

1200
01:14:44,761 --> 01:14:45,801
Speaker 1: I remember doing lots of one.

1201
01:14:47,241 --> 01:14:51,361
Speaker 37: She bought me from kindergarten on the morning show and

1202
01:14:51,401 --> 01:14:53,401
Speaker 37: would be half cut and hangover.

1203
01:14:55,401 --> 01:14:55,601
Speaker 19: Yeah.

1204
01:14:55,761 --> 01:14:58,841
Speaker 37: We would always sit out in the car park and

1205
01:14:58,961 --> 01:15:02,121
Speaker 37: play with tennis ball. And then I bought me these

1206
01:15:02,201 --> 01:15:06,401
Speaker 37: beautiful earings bluebird. One went with a neck clothes and

1207
01:15:06,521 --> 01:15:08,680
Speaker 37: once I took him off, they went for a walk.

1208
01:15:10,321 --> 01:15:13,681
Speaker 37: But she bought Nana bought me that, and I was

1209
01:15:13,721 --> 01:15:16,921
Speaker 37: a loving person. She wanted to take me in at

1210
01:15:17,001 --> 01:15:18,841
Speaker 37: night and tell me to go to sleep. Mind a

1211
01:15:18,881 --> 01:15:23,201
Speaker 37: big budge, don't fight. I remember a purple brinket. She

1212
01:15:23,281 --> 01:15:25,441
Speaker 37: hadn't a bed, just needly like any marks. Actually, I

1213
01:15:25,521 --> 01:15:30,161
Speaker 37: was gonna say this while yeah, yep, probably think this

1214
01:15:30,281 --> 01:15:33,521
Speaker 37: could be the same one. Yeah, but I remember in

1215
01:15:33,601 --> 01:15:36,961
Speaker 37: the flat Sascot Park, so I had my first lake.

1216
01:15:37,361 --> 01:15:41,761
Speaker 37: Those little fruits were streets. Yeah, I spent a lot

1217
01:15:41,761 --> 01:15:45,521
Speaker 37: of time Renan. I wish, yeah, I just wish I

1218
01:15:45,561 --> 01:15:48,680
Speaker 37: could pull a lot out the file. They just ain't come.

1219
01:15:49,601 --> 01:15:50,401
Speaker 1: It's hard, isn't it.

1220
01:15:52,321 --> 01:15:56,521
Speaker 4: George Neville Forrester was duly charged with Daphne Sansbury's murder

1221
01:15:57,041 --> 01:16:00,521
Speaker 4: and committal proceedings were held in the Adelaide Magistrates Court

1222
01:16:00,881 --> 01:16:04,041
Speaker 4: in June nineteen eighty two, and he was committed to.

1223
01:16:04,081 --> 01:16:06,361
Speaker 16: Stand trial in August that year.

1224
01:16:07,841 --> 01:16:11,201
Speaker 4: Forrester's trial was held in August nineteen eighty two in

1225
01:16:11,281 --> 01:16:15,401
Speaker 4: the Supreme Court of South Australia. By then he completely

1226
01:16:15,561 --> 01:16:18,761
Speaker 4: changed his story, omitting he was in Adelaide at the

1227
01:16:18,841 --> 01:16:21,321
Speaker 4: time of the murder, but he had made the phone

1228
01:16:21,361 --> 01:16:24,121
Speaker 4: call to police, and that he knew the race course.

1229
01:16:24,881 --> 01:16:29,081
Speaker 4: But still he denied murdering Daphne. His counsel argued that

1230
01:16:29,121 --> 01:16:33,601
Speaker 4: he was insane and incapable of forming criminal intent. The

1231
01:16:33,721 --> 01:16:36,841
Speaker 4: jury agreed and found that Forrester was not fit to

1232
01:16:36,961 --> 01:16:40,601
Speaker 4: stand trial and he was placed in strict custody until

1233
01:16:40,641 --> 01:16:45,121
Speaker 4: the governor's pleasure be known. You know, my dad was

1234
01:16:45,161 --> 01:16:47,401
Speaker 4: actually a forensic psychiatrist in Sydney and it was his

1235
01:16:47,561 --> 01:16:50,921
Speaker 4: job to assess people in these situations where people had

1236
01:16:51,081 --> 01:16:54,241
Speaker 4: mental impairment or other issues. When I looked at the material,

1237
01:16:54,721 --> 01:16:57,081
Speaker 4: I wish he was still alive for him to read it,

1238
01:16:57,441 --> 01:17:00,121
Speaker 4: because all through the investigation I could see someone who

1239
01:17:00,161 --> 01:17:04,121
Speaker 4: answered questions cogently, lucidly, knew who he was, knew what

1240
01:17:04,201 --> 01:17:07,361
Speaker 4: had happened, and at the end of all this he

1241
01:17:07,841 --> 01:17:12,121
Speaker 4: was shown the side door of the mental impairment when

1242
01:17:12,161 --> 01:17:14,561
Speaker 4: I think it seemed clear that he knew what he

1243
01:17:14,681 --> 01:17:15,041
Speaker 4: was doing.

1244
01:17:15,281 --> 01:17:17,761
Speaker 12: And then still seeking.

1245
01:17:17,921 --> 01:17:20,961
Speaker 4: From the Supreme Court of South Australia more detail on

1246
01:17:21,081 --> 01:17:24,161
Speaker 4: the trial. What was the evidence that was so compelling

1247
01:17:24,161 --> 01:17:26,321
Speaker 4: Because I can't see it. I can't see it. It

1248
01:17:26,361 --> 01:17:29,001
Speaker 4: could be there, but I think that's an important part

1249
01:17:29,041 --> 01:17:32,321
Speaker 4: of the healing process, is to understand the process. At

1250
01:17:32,401 --> 01:17:34,281
Speaker 4: least you might not agree with it, but I think

1251
01:17:34,361 --> 01:17:36,121
Speaker 4: one of the issues that Pam brought up was the

1252
01:17:36,161 --> 01:17:39,441
Speaker 4: fact that the knowledge across your family is incomplete of this.

1253
01:17:40,041 --> 01:17:41,641
Speaker 12: So I think that's the first start.

1254
01:17:41,761 --> 01:17:46,481
Speaker 4: I'm all about making this a milestone in your family,

1255
01:17:46,601 --> 01:17:50,481
Speaker 4: but also to project outwards for the other five hundred families.

1256
01:17:51,521 --> 01:17:55,081
Speaker 4: I've had to suffer something quite similar to this, so

1257
01:17:55,881 --> 01:17:59,201
Speaker 4: I can't guarantee that I can make change, but I

1258
01:17:59,281 --> 01:18:01,401
Speaker 4: can project.

1259
01:18:01,001 --> 01:18:05,161
Speaker 12: This power to my audience that I felt today. To

1260
01:18:05,281 --> 01:18:06,041
Speaker 12: me is my job.

1261
01:18:06,321 --> 01:18:11,001
Speaker 4: But I really sincerely thank you for your openness, the

1262
01:18:11,161 --> 01:18:13,241
Speaker 4: power of your testimony, your emotion.

1263
01:18:13,721 --> 01:18:18,281
Speaker 12: You've just been unflinching. It's been my heart is breaking

1264
01:18:18,401 --> 01:18:18,601
Speaker 12: for you.

1265
01:18:18,721 --> 01:18:20,121
Speaker 4: But at the same time I feel a great sense

1266
01:18:20,121 --> 01:18:24,601
Speaker 4: of optimism that if one person like me, who you know,

1267
01:18:25,001 --> 01:18:29,361
Speaker 4: I'm from the society that caused all these issues. I'm

1268
01:18:29,361 --> 01:18:31,641
Speaker 4: from the people that caused all these issues. But if

1269
01:18:31,681 --> 01:18:33,161
Speaker 4: I can tell the story to other people, and I

1270
01:18:33,201 --> 01:18:35,041
Speaker 4: think there's an audience that wants to hear it now,

1271
01:18:36,321 --> 01:18:38,241
Speaker 4: you know. And I think through your brother's testimony that

1272
01:18:38,561 --> 01:18:40,601
Speaker 4: was also a milestone. This is you know, one thing

1273
01:18:40,641 --> 01:18:42,361
Speaker 4: I was curious when I paid to you. I said,

1274
01:18:42,721 --> 01:18:45,521
Speaker 4: Adams told his story and it was very powerful. It

1275
01:18:45,561 --> 01:18:48,241
Speaker 4: went all across the country, but it left out this piece.

1276
01:18:48,721 --> 01:18:50,601
Speaker 4: And I think to put the whole thing together now

1277
01:18:50,961 --> 01:18:55,361
Speaker 4: and understand how Lisa, your mum was, her issues that

1278
01:18:55,441 --> 01:18:58,801
Speaker 4: she never really talked about, I now understand and I

1279
01:18:58,921 --> 01:19:07,521
Speaker 4: think others will understand. So what happened to George Neville Forester?

1280
01:19:08,281 --> 01:19:11,361
Speaker 4: The Supreme Court of South Australia refused my request to

1281
01:19:11,441 --> 01:19:15,680
Speaker 4: access transcripts of his trials and the homicide file because

1282
01:19:15,721 --> 01:19:19,041
Speaker 4: the case involved mental health. It seems that he was

1283
01:19:19,081 --> 01:19:22,840
Speaker 4: detained in a secure psychiatric hospital until his second trial,

1284
01:19:23,521 --> 01:19:26,081
Speaker 4: but once acquitted, they could no longer hold him.

1285
01:19:26,801 --> 01:19:28,521
Speaker 16: We may never know what happened next.

1286
01:19:29,761 --> 01:19:34,521
Speaker 4: However, archive searches in Queensland yielded two more records of

1287
01:19:34,641 --> 01:19:39,041
Speaker 4: George Neville Forester in nineteen ninety one and nineteen ninety two.

1288
01:19:39,881 --> 01:19:43,441
Speaker 1: Good afternoon, sir, gooday, Pam, how are you merely good things?

1289
01:19:43,641 --> 01:19:43,761
Speaker 27: Hey?

1290
01:19:43,961 --> 01:19:49,601
Speaker 4: Listen, I got those files from Queensland and it's it's

1291
01:19:49,721 --> 01:19:54,881
Speaker 4: certainly him, same birthday, sixteenth of July nineteen forty. And

1292
01:19:55,521 --> 01:19:58,680
Speaker 4: they're not big offenses, but it's a string of offenses

1293
01:19:58,761 --> 01:20:02,840
Speaker 4: in mad iSER, Rockhampton and places around there. It's vagrancy,

1294
01:20:03,001 --> 01:20:07,081
Speaker 4: force pretenses, resisting arrest, breach of bail and also theft

1295
01:20:07,561 --> 01:20:12,321
Speaker 4: of a tube of glue from Coles Meyer in Bunderberg.

1296
01:20:13,001 --> 01:20:16,521
Speaker 4: But interestingly, when he appears in court there, he's just

1297
01:20:16,601 --> 01:20:20,281
Speaker 4: got out of hospital where he'd been stabbed over the heart.

1298
01:20:20,401 --> 01:20:21,761
Speaker 19: And the in the arm.

1299
01:20:22,721 --> 01:20:26,041
Speaker 4: Yeah, but he survived that. I mean, he's lucky to

1300
01:20:26,121 --> 01:20:30,401
Speaker 4: survive that. I guess it's tempting to say this is

1301
01:20:30,481 --> 01:20:32,521
Speaker 4: sort of payback for what he did, but I mean

1302
01:20:32,561 --> 01:20:37,921
Speaker 4: it's you know, doesn't it does, But it kind of

1303
01:20:38,081 --> 01:20:40,961
Speaker 4: shows he goes on to commit more offenses.

1304
01:20:41,481 --> 01:20:43,401
Speaker 12: He's able to understand the charges.

1305
01:20:43,521 --> 01:20:46,441
Speaker 4: So all this mental health stuff in South Australia is

1306
01:20:46,881 --> 01:20:48,201
Speaker 4: kind of rubbish really.

1307
01:20:48,881 --> 01:20:49,081
Speaker 12: Yep.

1308
01:20:49,201 --> 01:20:52,481
Speaker 1: Absolutely Connor knew that, but I.

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Speaker 4: Think so he gets good legal representation and he's able

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01:20:56,321 --> 01:21:00,801
Speaker 4: to you know, get away with murder effectively. But tell me,

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Speaker 4: how are things going since our meeting in Horsham. There's

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Speaker 4: been more development, some people speaking with each other, and

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Speaker 4: what's been the wash up?

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Speaker 30: Well, everyone's looking forward to another meeting, So it's just

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Speaker 30: a matter of I think they're all in the spot.

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Speaker 1: And I think the first one opening up some of

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01:21:20,121 --> 01:21:20,601
Speaker 1: the you know.

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Speaker 7: The old wounds has less them having.

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01:21:24,441 --> 01:21:28,361
Speaker 30: Little memories afterwards as well, so they're definitely remembering a

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Speaker 30: bit more pieces to know the circumstances.

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Speaker 12: I must.

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Speaker 4: So I'm really pleased to hear that this is generated

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01:21:37,161 --> 01:21:40,481
Speaker 4: more contact between your family and trying to talk about

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Speaker 4: these issues. And because I think that's what I felt

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Speaker 4: at Horsham, that everyone was these events had pushed people

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01:21:48,561 --> 01:21:51,201
Speaker 4: far apart, So I'm really pleased to hear that that

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01:21:51,321 --> 01:21:52,241
Speaker 4: that's been the upshot.

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Speaker 30: Yes, And I think by going through this process to

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01:21:57,121 --> 01:22:00,681
Speaker 30: having a better understanding what actually happened and why he

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01:22:00,841 --> 01:22:03,521
Speaker 30: was never charged, I think that's a bit of.

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Speaker 1: The heartache, not the truth.

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Speaker 30: So you know, it's that lack of justice again that

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01:22:10,041 --> 01:22:12,041
Speaker 30: keeps biting at our ankles.

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Speaker 4: I guess what I'm really pleased about is that our

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01:22:16,561 --> 01:22:20,321
Speaker 4: contact led to this, led to people coming together and

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01:22:20,561 --> 01:22:23,921
Speaker 4: to remember your mother, what happened to her, the lack

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Speaker 4: of justice.

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Speaker 30: It's about moving forward, But I really want to focus

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01:22:29,841 --> 01:22:30,961
Speaker 30: on the lack of justice for.

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Speaker 1: All indusinous women, not just my mother. But you're not

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01:22:34,201 --> 01:22:37,361
Speaker 1: allowed to scale as well. That's my passion here.

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Speaker 30: And there are quite a few family members who agree

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01:22:41,681 --> 01:22:42,921
Speaker 30: under sent because they're still women.

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01:22:43,001 --> 01:22:46,201
Speaker 1: They've been murdered today that's got no justice their family.

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Speaker 4: What I've heard from you guys now gives me a

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01:22:49,841 --> 01:22:53,441
Speaker 4: fuller understanding, and I take that understanding in the other

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01:22:53,561 --> 01:22:57,201
Speaker 4: cases that I do in this way, and I feel

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Speaker 4: privileged to have helped you with this, and I think

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Speaker 4: I really admire the way you, Pam, have taken this

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01:23:04,201 --> 01:23:06,720
Speaker 4: on board. You're a leader in your community and you're

1351
01:23:06,721 --> 01:23:07,601
Speaker 4: a leader in your family.

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01:23:07,761 --> 01:23:09,161
Speaker 12: So all power to you.

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01:23:10,001 --> 01:23:12,361
Speaker 30: Thank you, and thank you for giving us the opportunity

1354
01:23:12,521 --> 01:23:17,881
Speaker 30: to start this process, giving us some inspiration and more

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01:23:17,961 --> 01:23:19,761
Speaker 30: pride and more driven to.

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Speaker 1: Make this happen.

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01:23:22,001 --> 01:23:23,680
Speaker 12: Yeah, no, I'm pleased. I'm very pleased.

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Speaker 18: Pa.

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Speaker 12: Mu's been a pleasure to work with you, and we're

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01:23:26,401 --> 01:23:27,441
Speaker 12: going to do more in the future.

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01:23:27,841 --> 01:23:32,561
Speaker 30: Absolutely, and I'm truly grateful for your input and you know,

1362
01:23:32,681 --> 01:23:36,801
Speaker 30: your encouragement behind your passion that drives you. So that's

1363
01:23:36,841 --> 01:23:39,680
Speaker 30: given us strength and once again, like you said, it's

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01:23:39,841 --> 01:23:43,800
Speaker 30: united us in a way that some of us don't understand.

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01:23:44,561 --> 01:23:47,601
Speaker 4: And I'm going to invite myself back to Horsham when

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Speaker 4: you do some of this restorative justice program, and I'd

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01:23:50,481 --> 01:23:52,921
Speaker 4: like to see it in action and tell that story

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01:23:52,961 --> 01:23:53,281
Speaker 4: as well.

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01:23:53,361 --> 01:23:55,761
Speaker 12: So you I've just invited myself as I always do.

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Speaker 1: No, that'd be great.

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Speaker 4: I love you, You're fantastic, I love your family.

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Speaker 12: It was a privilege for me to be involved in this.

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Speaker 30: So oh, you're truly blessing and I truly believe you.

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01:24:07,921 --> 01:24:10,241
Speaker 30: Know you've helped us in a short amount of time

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01:24:10,241 --> 01:24:11,921
Speaker 30: you've been with PS. I can only imagine what you've

1376
01:24:11,961 --> 01:24:15,641
Speaker 30: done for other people in the past. So keep up

1377
01:24:15,681 --> 01:24:18,841
Speaker 30: the good work. And yeah, definitely a blessing. Not that

1378
01:24:18,921 --> 01:24:20,441
Speaker 30: I'm religious, but you're a blessing.

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Speaker 12: Thank you, my dear.

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01:24:22,601 --> 01:24:24,921
Speaker 1: All of this talk to them in touch with you

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01:24:25,001 --> 01:24:26,361
Speaker 1: from time to time. I hope you don't mind that.

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01:24:26,401 --> 01:24:28,561
Speaker 12: No, please, I would expect that it'd be great. All right,

1383
01:24:28,681 --> 01:24:31,961
Speaker 12: we'll see what happens. Awesome, Thanks, Pam, take care.

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01:24:38,921 --> 01:24:39,481
Speaker 16: How good is that?

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01:24:40,401 --> 01:24:41,041
Speaker 12: Unexpected?

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01:24:41,241 --> 01:24:42,401
Speaker 16: Didn't think that was going to happen.

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Speaker 4: But I feel like it's been a wonderful exercise, positive

1388
01:24:44,921 --> 01:24:49,161
Speaker 4: exercise that the full circumstances of Deafnitely Sansbury's life and

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01:24:49,281 --> 01:24:52,041
Speaker 4: death are understood, and it gives the family something to

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01:24:52,081 --> 01:24:52,561
Speaker 4: go forward with.

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01:24:52,681 --> 01:24:55,001
Speaker 16: And I think so many other families out there. I'd

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01:24:55,041 --> 01:24:58,041
Speaker 16: love to hear from more families of Indigenous women murdered

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01:24:58,241 --> 01:24:58,881
Speaker 16: over the years.

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01:24:59,801 --> 01:25:04,001
Speaker 4: This is a good example of the process, lack of justice,

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01:25:04,681 --> 01:25:10,201
Speaker 4: lack of recognition, and there are five hundred stories somewhat

1396
01:25:10,321 --> 01:25:13,721
Speaker 4: like this or exactly the same. It's a pleasure to

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01:25:13,761 --> 01:25:16,401
Speaker 4: make this story and I hope you've enjoyed it. Please

1398
01:25:16,801 --> 01:25:18,881
Speaker 4: get back to me with any other feedback that you

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01:25:18,961 --> 01:25:21,081
Speaker 4: might have in this area. I really want to hear

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Speaker 4: from indigenous families and also those who know about these stories.

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Speaker 16: Thank you for listening. This has been real crime with

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Speaker 16: Adam Shaft