Speaker 1: Lately the gentleman. Welcome to the Late Debate.
Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the Late Debate time, Kel Richards
Speaker 2: joining me on the panel. Will Kingston and Evelyn Ray.
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us. It is lovely to have your company.
Speaker 2: Later on in the program, and we're going to talk
Speaker 2: about what happens if you have the wrong sort of
Speaker 2: electricity meter and the fact that they can suddenly decide
Speaker 2: to turn off your air conditioning, and you'll have a
Speaker 2: chance to join us in fulminating about those dreadful things
Speaker 2: they are doing to crocodile Dundee. But first, how will
Speaker 2: the world remember Jimmy put Carter, an affable, likable george
Speaker 2: and peanut farmer. He was a one term president. According
Speaker 2: to my sort of estimates are only nine I think
Speaker 2: one term presidents in the United States. He won in
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy one from the hapless Gerald Ford. Then he
Speaker 2: defeated it was defeated by the great communicator Ronald Reagan,
Speaker 2: and he left after four years in presidency. It was
Speaker 2: after his presidency that Carter became really famous for his
Speaker 2: work with Habitat for Humanity, personally working with teams picking
Speaker 2: up a hammer and a saw, and working on those
Speaker 2: building sites and with the Carter Center. So will how
Speaker 2: will Jimmy Carter be remembered as a president?
Speaker 3: I know we're meant to say nice things after someone
Speaker 3: passes away, so I'll get that out of the way
Speaker 3: in about fifteen seconds. He did a lot of good
Speaker 3: stuff after he finished presidency, and he gave us Ronald
Speaker 3: Reagan because he was so rubbish.
Speaker 4: Now, I hate to.
Speaker 3: Say it, but he has been remembered in his life
Speaker 3: as one of the most destructive US presidents, and I
Speaker 3: don't think that's going to change just now that he's
Speaker 3: passed away.
Speaker 5: He unfortunately, after Joe Biden still say that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is you know, this is a really kind
Speaker 3: of pedantic debate. But he led to rampant inflation in
Speaker 3: that country. He let the Soviets run wild. He was
Speaker 3: a weak leader in his time in office, and I
Speaker 3: think he will be remembered unfortunately, very dimly, notwithstanding his
Speaker 3: work after he left.
Speaker 2: He strikes me a little as being, in a sense,
Speaker 2: the opposite of Trump. Carter a likable man. Everyone liked him.
Speaker 2: He was a lovely, warm, friendly man, and everyone approved
Speaker 2: of him and morally thought he was wonderful.
Speaker 5: But he was a very.
Speaker 2: Weak president, whereas Trump, on the other hand, is one
Speaker 2: of those. One of a couple of days ago, someone
Speaker 2: said to me, oh, he's an appalling character, dreadful human being,
Speaker 2: but he proved to be a good president in his
Speaker 2: first term and may well do the same thing in
Speaker 2: his second term.
Speaker 5: So is he Is he the opposite of Trump?
Speaker 1: I think so.
Speaker 6: I think a big difference between the two of them
Speaker 6: is one gets things done and one doesn't. And you know,
Speaker 6: it's funny how during you know, the death, and I
Speaker 6: guess people remembering his life and all of his work,
Speaker 6: everybody always begins with, you know, and qualifies their condolences
Speaker 6: to the family, which is the right and respectful thing
Speaker 6: to do. You know, his family are obviously mourning his
Speaker 6: death and things, and that's a very sad thing.
Speaker 1: To go through.
Speaker 6: But everybody then notes that he wasn't the greatest president.
Speaker 1: And it has to come.
Speaker 6: With that caveat, because I think that even Democrats, even leftists,
Speaker 6: who were very happy with him when he was elected
Speaker 6: and things like that, and then his life afterwards, even
Speaker 6: they are more than happy to criticize him. But I
Speaker 6: think a really good telltale sign if someone really is
Speaker 6: a good politician. Usually if it's very loud that he's
Speaker 6: not liked like Trump, it's usually a good sign. He's
Speaker 6: probably doing a good job, I think somewhat exactly, which
Speaker 6: is a good thing in this day and Asian and
Speaker 6: perhaps was then that there are a lot of excuses
Speaker 6: I think that I'm seeing being aired post you know,
Speaker 6: Carter's death, and a lot of people are saying, oh,
Speaker 6: you know, it was the time, or it was this,
Speaker 6: or you know this and that. But you know, if
Speaker 6: you look at just objectively the things as president that
Speaker 6: he did, you know, minus the emotion, minus trying to
Speaker 6: tread carefully around, you know, mourning.
Speaker 1: His death, it was his own policy that led him down.
Speaker 6: And look at Iran with the Islamist look at what
Speaker 6: you mentioned Will with the Soviet Union aggression that sort
Speaker 6: of came under there. He also elected a lot of
Speaker 6: really progressive, like extreme progressive.
Speaker 1: Into the court, which then obviously.
Speaker 6: Saw the degradation of the legal system, the constitution, the
Speaker 6: human rights.
Speaker 1: And you know, he also I think one of the
Speaker 1: last things.
Speaker 6: That he said before he passed away was he staying
Speaker 6: alive long enough to vote for Kamela. So I think
Speaker 6: that says enough about it.
Speaker 4: I think we all know that it wasn't him who
Speaker 4: actually he said that.
Speaker 2: He was a very old man, and there was, as
Speaker 2: you say, a spokesman who said.
Speaker 5: It for him.
Speaker 2: I always remember him as being involved in the around
Speaker 2: hostage crisis. Fifty two American diplomats were held for four
Speaker 2: hundred and forty four days.
Speaker 5: That's about one undred quarter years. Again in three months
Speaker 5: something like that, a terribly long time.
Speaker 2: And right at the beginning will he actually announced he
Speaker 2: would put no boots on the ground, there would be
Speaker 2: no military action.
Speaker 5: He was going to talk this out. Now. Is it
Speaker 5: possible for a good guy to be a good president?
Speaker 5: Or isn't it? Is it not possible?
Speaker 3: It's a really interesting question, and it's a question I've
Speaker 3: probably changed my mind on. I once thought that to
Speaker 3: be a great leader you needed to have a firm
Speaker 3: moral compass. I'm now not so sure about that. There
Speaker 3: are just too many examples throughout human history, from Lloyd
Speaker 3: George through to Nixon through to Trump, where bad, well
Speaker 3: potentially men with questionable morals have proven to be effective leaders.
Speaker 3: And too many people on the other side of the ledger,
Speaker 3: like Jimmy Carter, who have been fundamentally good men who
Speaker 3: have proven to be weak leaders. I think the key
Speaker 3: ingredient is strength. I don't necessarily think it is having
Speaker 3: a strong moral compass.
Speaker 1: I think that.
Speaker 6: Strong moral compass leads to strength. I would push back
Speaker 6: with you.
Speaker 1: On that one.
Speaker 6: I think that we are so used to not having
Speaker 6: good options. It was always the lesser of two evils.
Speaker 6: Particularly now like in Australian politics. It's like I probably
Speaker 6: wouldn't vote for any or either people in you know,
Speaker 6: the parties. But it's just in my mind and in
Speaker 6: my logical system, I'm thinking, well, what's the lesser of
Speaker 6: two evils? And I think for too long we've kind of,
Speaker 6: you know, made lead ways with this. But I think
Speaker 6: in an ideal world as actually it's good morals that
Speaker 6: leads to strength.
Speaker 2: But Luther once famously said he would be governed by
Speaker 2: the devil if he was a good governor. In other words,
Speaker 2: it's the power to govern well and make good decisions
Speaker 2: and good judgments.
Speaker 5: That's what matters.
Speaker 1: Got it well, I think that And I'm like that
Speaker 1: you quote Luther. I quite appreciate.
Speaker 6: Some of the things that he's done, particularly the Reformation,
Speaker 6: but that's another topic. Joe's not on the show, so
Speaker 6: you won't get into that. But I honestly think that,
Speaker 6: you know, like everybody has a moral.
Speaker 1: Compass, which is what guides them. And I think that.
Speaker 6: Strength that isn't restrained by good morals is quite dangerous.
Speaker 1: Just like a man or a woman.
Speaker 6: Without purpose is quite dangerous. The same logic I believe
Speaker 6: applies with politicians. I think that sure. I mean, I'm
Speaker 6: not saying that every politician needs to be perfect, like
Speaker 6: we're all imperfect, but I think we should be striving,
Speaker 6: particularly with people who have that much power to have
Speaker 6: authority over us, we should be striving.
Speaker 2: And for people who have that, decent and strong can happen.
Speaker 2: Churchill gave us decent and strong and won the Second
Speaker 2: World War. Reagan gave us decent and strong and won
Speaker 2: the Cold War.
Speaker 5: It can happen.
Speaker 3: I don't think they're mutually exclusive, but I think we're
Speaker 3: right in saying that strength is the keyword here. And
Speaker 3: I think the one thing which I'm excited about with
Speaker 3: an incoming Trump presidency is the concept of peace through strength.
Speaker 3: I think ultimately, when you'll have a strong leader in
Speaker 3: the White House, which I think Trump will be you'll
Speaker 3: ultimately see a greater level of global security and that's
Speaker 3: something we didn't unfortunately have under Jimmy Carter.
Speaker 2: Let's see if this applies to our local politics, because
Speaker 2: this coming year, twenty twenty five is an election year,
Speaker 2: and the polls are coming out and they're saying things
Speaker 2: are bad for the Labor Party. Both in New South
Speaker 2: Wales and Victoria. Labor has dropped in the latest opinion
Speaker 2: polls swung strongly against Labor and the battleground state of
Speaker 2: Western Australia. The trend has cut the government's primary vote
Speaker 2: from thirty three percent to twenty nine percent in both
Speaker 2: New South Wales and Victoria since the last election, putting
Speaker 2: a Labor on course for a feet in key electorates
Speaker 2: unless its stages a dramatic turnaround next year. Victorian voters
Speaker 2: have lifted the coalition's primary vote from thirty three to
Speaker 2: thirty eight percent, and New South Wales voters have increased
Speaker 2: their coalitions have bought thirty seven to thirty eight percent.
Speaker 5: And it seems to me that this.
Speaker 2: Business of having someone strong in government what we've been
Speaker 2: talking about to do with Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump
Speaker 2: and Jimmy Carter could apply here.
Speaker 5: I mean, is Australia.
Speaker 2: Are Australians looking at Anthony Albanesi and saying we want
Speaker 2: a stronger leader.
Speaker 1: I don't think so.
Speaker 6: I no, shocker, can you believe it? But I mean
Speaker 6: I look at some of the statistics like Victoria, for example,
Speaker 6: and I think have people not learnt?
Speaker 1: I mean, like it honestly shocks me.
Speaker 6: I you know, I'm not one that would you know,
Speaker 6: run with a conspiracy and believe it to be true.
Speaker 6: But like, I mean, I can't believe that these votes,
Speaker 6: I mean the last election, like they voted Dan Andrews
Speaker 6: back in back after what he did during COVID, and
Speaker 6: I thought, how does this happen?
Speaker 2: The party in Victoria was a mess, There was not
Speaker 2: an electable opposition.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but look, honestly, I honestly think that.
Speaker 6: The Liberal Party in Victoria have done themselves no favors unfortunately,
Speaker 6: especially with what they've done with Moira, and I wonder
Speaker 6: whether perhaps that's why Victoria is different to the other states, because,
Speaker 6: to be honest, like what they did to her was truly.
Speaker 1: Deplorable.
Speaker 6: And yeah, so maybe that's why that state stands differently
Speaker 6: to other states who are perhaps swinging more towards Liberal.
Speaker 2: Let's come back to Victoria in just a moment, because
Speaker 2: they've got a new state leader. But I'm thinking in
Speaker 2: terms of whether we need strong leaders and I had
Speaker 2: a Liberal Party your executive member say to me the
Speaker 2: other day. He said, kel what we need is a
Speaker 2: Liberal Party campaign that says what Australian needs is leadership.
Speaker 2: What Australian needs is done. Is that the way the
Speaker 2: country is flowing.
Speaker 4: I think there's a couple of points.
Speaker 3: I think the first thing is it is absolutely without
Speaker 3: question that the quality of political leadership across the Western
Speaker 3: world is not where it was in the time of
Speaker 3: Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan. I think we've seen a shift,
Speaker 3: and it's been a shift for the worst. Dutton incoming
Speaker 3: is certainly no Ronald Reagan. He's stronger and he's a
Speaker 3: better option and a two party in a two party
Speaker 3: system then Alberonizi is. But I don't think he's necessarily
Speaker 3: the long term answer for Australia. The other thing that
Speaker 3: I would say is, unfortunately, because there isn't a very
Speaker 3: strong alternative, we are fracing minority government in this country
Speaker 3: and that will be an absolutely mitigated disaster after seeing
Speaker 3: the lack of results the last time we had a
Speaker 3: minority government.
Speaker 6: The thing is, sorry, we have good options here in Australia.
Speaker 6: The problem is they're not in the positions where they
Speaker 6: can take power. Like I think alec Antick would be
Speaker 6: an incredible prime minister. I think he's I think, well,
Speaker 6: he's not in the right he'd have to change the positions.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know that, But why aren't the best people
Speaker 4: rising from.
Speaker 6: Well that's the good question, because like you said, I
Speaker 6: don't you know, out of Albanesi and Dunton. Absolutely I'm
Speaker 6: going to be I would vote Dutton.
Speaker 1: You know before alban easy.
Speaker 6: But that being said, like there are better options, and
Speaker 6: I think we need to start having conversations about shifting
Speaker 6: things for the better and having a real change. I mean,
Speaker 6: I look at America and I'm inspired, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 6: thank goodness that there's you know, chumps back in and
Speaker 6: I don't you know, I honestly hope Jade Vance's VP
Speaker 6: gets elected after him. I think he would be great.
Speaker 6: He's a young strong man. Yeah who I think people
Speaker 6: would like to follow. And I look at that and think, gosh,
Speaker 6: I wish We had something like that in Australia and
Speaker 6: new just new blood.
Speaker 2: And politics is the art of the possible. So bring
Speaker 2: it back home.
Speaker 1: Real well, Antiic is possible.
Speaker 2: That's a great twenty thirty five. He can't become prime minister.
Speaker 2: We are to work out where we're going now.
Speaker 5: The polls are.
Speaker 2: Telling us, and you were saying, and most commentators are
Speaker 2: saying the same thing. The poll numbers that I read
Speaker 2: out a moment ago indicate there'll be a minority government
Speaker 2: and that might mean a labor government.
Speaker 5: Supported by Greens and Teals.
Speaker 2: And you turn it up a sort of show of
Speaker 2: pale what I mean, and that sort of possibility it's
Speaker 2: not attractive. I wonder if those poles are right. The
Speaker 2: American poles got it wrong. They said it was on
Speaker 2: a knife edge, razor sharp, and no one could pick
Speaker 2: the winner. And in fact Trump came in in a landslide.
Speaker 2: And my guess is there are a lot of people
Speaker 2: out there the poles are not measuring, the people who
Speaker 2: were saying no, I won't take part of the pole,
Speaker 2: and they're people who might actually give Dutton government comfortably.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that may be right, and I'll break
Speaker 3: the fourth wall here, ladies and gentlemen, I know after
Speaker 3: speaking off camera that you said that being having a
Speaker 3: minority government may not necessarily be a bad thinkel and
Speaker 3: I just think that is absolutely bonkers. It leads to fragmentation,
Speaker 3: it leads to nothing getting done, it leads to squabbling.
Speaker 3: I can't understand how you could possibly think that minority
Speaker 3: government could be in any way a good thing for
Speaker 3: this country.
Speaker 5: I don't think I said.
Speaker 2: That, actually, so I don't think I said that. No, no, no,
Speaker 2: I just joined under the I've remained convinced that Dutton
Speaker 2: is going to win comfort winter. I shouldn't be saying
Speaker 2: things like this. Should putting my kidneys on the line,
Speaker 2: isn't it here? But I think it's looking at these numbers.
Speaker 2: If that's what the polsters are finding, I think there's
Speaker 2: a margin the pulsters are not finding who could give
Speaker 2: Dutton a comfortable win, mind you. Alberizi says he's not
Speaker 2: thrown by the Boles. As far as he's concerned, they're
Speaker 2: perfectly okay. Here's what he had to say to the
Speaker 2: Australian people.
Speaker 7: What I'm worried about is helping fellow Australians. I've been
Speaker 7: underestimated my whole political life, and I'm focused on making
Speaker 7: a difference for costs of living. I'm making a difference
Speaker 7: for plans that we have going forward.
Speaker 3: I'm assuming that raised in a housing commission came up
Speaker 3: to staffter that and we didn't have quite time to
Speaker 3: extend out.
Speaker 5: He says, will that he is being underestimated, is he?
Speaker 3: I think I ran in the Herald the other day
Speaker 3: that Albanezi is the master tactician and I just haven't
Speaker 3: seen much evidence of it in this first turn. With
Speaker 3: the voice being the obvious example of an incredible political catastrophe,
Speaker 3: he may be able to pull something out. And look,
Speaker 3: he's been in politics first since what ninety six and
Speaker 3: it does take a fair bit to be able to
Speaker 3: keep your seat over that time. But I haven't seen
Speaker 3: much evidence of the master tactician.
Speaker 2: No, No, In fact, he looks much more like someone
Speaker 2: who just can't read the room. And where most Australians are.
Speaker 6: I think, you know, evidence shows, particularly with his voice,
Speaker 6: you know referendum, that he can't read the room. He's
Speaker 6: out of touch with the Australian people. But yeah, I
Speaker 6: honestly think at this point in time it's Dutton's election
Speaker 6: to lose. I believe that, and like you said, well,
Speaker 6: I don't think that Albanese has given us a single
Speaker 6: reason to think that we are and underestimating him. You know,
Speaker 6: I think that the only problem we'll have is if
Speaker 6: liberal don't step up, because at the moment we really
Speaker 6: need a proper alternative to labor and not labor light.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I agree.
Speaker 3: I think if we're talking about anyone being underestimated, I
Speaker 3: still think in quiet corners of Marrickville and Green areas
Speaker 3: that they're underestimating Peter Dutton. I'm fascinated by the myth
Speaker 3: of the socially conservative liberal leader in this country. They
Speaker 3: said Howard was unelectable, they said Morrison's unelectable, they said
Speaker 3: Abbott was unelectable. They keep making the same mistake, and
Speaker 3: Darton is in the same mold.
Speaker 4: I just sense they may.
Speaker 3: Still be making the same mistake today because they can't
Speaker 3: get their head around someone like that being in a
Speaker 3: position of power.
Speaker 2: You're right, I mean, right at the beginning of the
Speaker 2: Albanesi period, they enjoyed portraying Dutton as being unelectable, but
Speaker 2: they've had to pull back from that hearing it leads
Speaker 2: of the disastrous loss in the Voice and the fact
Speaker 2: that Dutton keeps scoring points. Yeah, and when he proposes
Speaker 2: nuclear power, people keep saying, oh, that's interesting, that's worth
Speaker 2: thinking about.
Speaker 5: Talk about that some more.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you are still in their heart of hearts.
Speaker 3: I just can't don't think they could possibly get the
Speaker 3: head around a Christian Conservative being in that position.
Speaker 4: But look, we will see.
Speaker 2: Okay, well let's see what the Treasurer has to say.
Speaker 2: Because Jim Chalmers is going to be front center trying
Speaker 2: to sell the economic performance of the Albanesi government.
Speaker 5: That's not going to be easy.
Speaker 2: So what is telling Australians is, in fact, we've never
Speaker 2: had it so good as Australians.
Speaker 5: It's gone. We've had a tough We're.
Speaker 2: Really pleased the twenty twenty four is over, but that's
Speaker 2: behind us now and good times are just around the corner,
Speaker 2: are they ever?
Speaker 5: One?
Speaker 6: Oh, it's easy for people who have their salary paid
Speaker 6: by the tax.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 6: Of course politicians like this can make bold statements like
Speaker 6: this because they are essentially no consequences, you know, to
Speaker 6: losing this salary so to speak. You know, But I
Speaker 6: think Australians are very much tired of lip service. I think,
Speaker 6: you know, leading into the election and all of these
Speaker 6: promises and everything, people just don't really care what politicians
Speaker 6: have to say anymore. They all want to see tangible action.
Speaker 6: People want to be able to pay for their electricity bill.
Speaker 6: People want to be able to put food on the table.
Speaker 6: People would like to you know, their kids to be
Speaker 6: educated in school and not indoctrinated.
Speaker 1: It's very simple. And so I think lip service.
Speaker 6: Isn't going to do them any favors again. You know,
Speaker 6: they've got four years essentially of the same thing if
Speaker 6: we vote for them again. And I'd think the last
Speaker 6: four years have been incredibly difficult for most of Australians.
Speaker 6: And I like to ask a question, if we can
Speaker 6: have better days, and they can promise this better days,
Speaker 6: then why haven't they already because they're in power now.
Speaker 1: So what's different?
Speaker 2: Well, it was overseas. I mean it was the Ukraine War.
Speaker 2: It was things that were happening.
Speaker 6: Ills for something that was overseas, it shouldn't have affected
Speaker 6: our country the way.
Speaker 1: That it did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that didn't work for it, She soon out. It
Speaker 3: didn't work for Joe bid Kamala Harris and Joe Biden.
Speaker 4: Because voters don't have memories of goldfish.
Speaker 3: They still remember the inflation that five seven, six, seven,
Speaker 3: eight percent, and just because it may be going down
Speaker 3: a bit, they remember the hurt for me.
Speaker 4: And I can't take credit for this.
Speaker 3: I was speaking with Joe Hockey the other day and
Speaker 3: he basically said, this election is two opposing trends hitting
Speaker 3: each other's. On one side, Australians generally give first term
Speaker 3: governments a second go. We haven't elected, we haven't booted
Speaker 3: out a first term government since nineteen thirty two.
Speaker 6: It's a long We're also a nation is very scared
Speaker 6: of change.
Speaker 3: We are are, so you put that on one side
Speaker 3: and on the other side, fourteen out of the fifteen
Speaker 3: largest elections in the Western world in recent history have
Speaker 3: all gone to the challenger over the incumbent. There is
Speaker 3: a global mood of resentment for the ruling political power
Speaker 3: and there is a mood for change. So it really
Speaker 3: comes down to which one of those trends is going
Speaker 3: to be busted.
Speaker 6: I think history also shows as a tendency with governments
Speaker 6: to go from very progressive to very conservative. It's like
Speaker 6: this big, you know, rollercoaster that goes around and you know,
Speaker 6: you get a really super conservative government and then you know,
Speaker 6: generations go through.
Speaker 1: That and they rebels.
Speaker 2: Conservatism is where the swing is going at the moment
Speaker 2: on a global basis in America, not not in Britain,
Speaker 2: but for distinctive local rule.
Speaker 1: Niger Faraj falled it.
Speaker 5: Apart basically what happened in Britain. So yes, it could
Speaker 5: be that.
Speaker 2: I think the other problem that Jim Chalmers has got
Speaker 2: as a treasure up is he doesn't sound like a
Speaker 2: treasure up. He sounds like an economic commentator on the sidelines.
Speaker 2: So when he says people in Australia are doing it tough,
Speaker 2: he's making a comment. He's not doing anything about people
Speaker 2: doing it tough. He's telling us, as a commentator on
Speaker 2: the sidelines, what's going on. When he says, well, it's
Speaker 2: been tough so far, but it'll be good around the corner.
Speaker 2: Things are going to get better, he sounds again like
Speaker 2: an economic commentator, not like a treasurer who actually has
Speaker 2: his hands on the leavers will.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, this is the tragedy of monern Australia and
Speaker 3: it's not just the Labor Party. We can't do reform anymore.
Speaker 3: When was the last big economic reform? Maybe the GST
Speaker 3: was that twenty years ago, now twenty five years ago.
Speaker 3: We can't do economic reform and we've got an economy
Speaker 3: which is stagnating. We have tried to cheat economic growth
Speaker 3: by getting more and more immigrants in because we haven't
Speaker 3: bothered to think about productivity, Labour can't do it. To
Speaker 3: be honest, I haven't heard much from the Liberal Party
Speaker 3: about economic reform. Whe's Angus Taylot, what's he doing these days?
Speaker 3: But we need to get serious about this in this
Speaker 3: country and at the moment I'm not hearing anything about it.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: We talked a little while ago about Victoria. Let's go
Speaker 2: back to Victoria because Victoria has a new label, a
Speaker 2: new Liberal leader, a job pursued having made a series
Speaker 2: of bad judgments, has lost the position. The new Liberal
Speaker 2: leader in Victoria, Brad Baton, has come out strongly in
Speaker 2: support Peter Dutton. Now Brad Baton, like Duttner the former
Speaker 2: police officers, as are you evalent police.
Speaker 1: And hold it against me? Yes and no? Okay. So
Speaker 1: it's a double edged sword.
Speaker 6: So there is a time and a place for somebody
Speaker 6: like Dutton and Baton for example, Victoria at the moment
Speaker 6: is having.
Speaker 1: A huge surge in crime.
Speaker 6: So perhaps somebody with his mentality, his experience, the way
Speaker 6: that he would fight these sorts of things could be
Speaker 6: a good thing in cleaning up the crime that we're
Speaker 6: seeing in Victoria. But unfortunately, what happens with politicians who
Speaker 6: have a law enforcement background, there's a tendency that they
Speaker 6: go from policing criminals to policing civilians. That's a good
Speaker 6: point and what I saw with Dutton. Now, like I said,
Speaker 6: I'm not here to rag on Dutton, but I was
Speaker 6: very disappointed in his response to social media for kids.
Speaker 6: He wanted to use digital identification as a means to
Speaker 6: police children accessing these things.
Speaker 1: Now, that to me is.
Speaker 6: A typical cop and a typical cops mentality, you know.
Speaker 6: So we basically sacrifice our basic human rights, our freedoms,
Speaker 6: our liberty is things that our ancestors fought and died
Speaker 6: and bled for and we just throw that for I guess,
Speaker 6: ease of policing things, you know. And so I think
Speaker 6: we have to be really careful when we elect politicians
Speaker 6: like this to keep them in check and remind them
Speaker 6: that they work for civilians. Now, and to not police civilians.
Speaker 6: And so I think, you know, something like this could
Speaker 6: be good, but it needs to be really kept accountable
Speaker 6: and in check, and the voters and the people and
Speaker 6: the people around these men will play a really important
Speaker 6: role in making sure that they do that well.
Speaker 2: Will You've got two people who both have a similar background,
Speaker 2: and we don't know a lot about Bread and yet
Speaker 2: he still remains a bit of a mystery to us
Speaker 2: to a large extent. But if he's on the same
Speaker 2: page as Peter Dutton, if he's going to be pushing
Speaker 2: the Liberal Party in Victoria in that direction, the labor
Speaker 2: in Victoria, we know he's on the nose.
Speaker 5: I mean, is that a.
Speaker 2: Good thing for the twenty twenty five election as far
Speaker 2: as the Liberal Party is concerned. Does that mean there
Speaker 2: are really seats in Victoria that are vulnerable that could
Speaker 2: be picked up by the federal Liberal Party.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure, to be honest.
Speaker 3: Most people in state politics are lightweights, so it's not
Speaker 3: exactly like we're picking, you know, from the cream of
Speaker 3: the crop. But what I really want to get back
Speaker 3: to what Evelyn said, because the question.
Speaker 4: I have is whether Australia as.
Speaker 3: A nation really is that uncomfortable with authoritarianism today? Are
Speaker 3: we uncomfortable with having the cop who will take away
Speaker 3: our freedoms bit by bit in the position of premier
Speaker 3: or the position of Prime Minister. Because I think from
Speaker 3: what we see saw during COVID and what we've seen
Speaker 3: during the response to the Misinformation and Disinformation Bill, I
Speaker 3: don't see a lot of freedom fighters out there. We
Speaker 3: saw a crocodile and d at the end of Danika's
Speaker 3: show there we may see it if we're lucky at
Speaker 3: the end of our show. And I think that version
Speaker 3: of Australia, the irreverent, laid back, anti authoritarian, lucky country,
Speaker 3: may not be there. So you know what, maybe the
Speaker 3: authoritarian is what the people want.
Speaker 2: Well, let me give you a thought on that, because
Speaker 2: we've got a We've got a convict background, and I
Speaker 2: think two things flow out of the convict background. The
Speaker 2: first is that convicts would not give the boss.
Speaker 5: A hard time.
Speaker 2: They're not going to argue with the bloke who's got
Speaker 2: the whip in his hand or who's holding the gun.
Speaker 2: They don't do that. But underneath they are never in agreement.
Speaker 2: They are often rebellious. I know we're told we were
Speaker 2: really we just gave in over COVID. We just did
Speaker 2: whatever we were told. But I suspect there was a
Speaker 2: lot of quiet rebellion going on. We were told, for example,
Speaker 2: here in Sydney there was a limited number of killing
Speaker 2: it as you were allowed to drive now at the
Speaker 2: risk of some sort of post hoc arrest. I need
Speaker 2: to admit that my wife and I lived slightly beyond
Speaker 2: that from.
Speaker 5: Our daughter, and we just ignored it. We just went there.
Speaker 2: We didn't tell anyone, We didn't complain, we didn't didn't
Speaker 2: write letters to the newspaper, didn't bring up the talkback shows.
Speaker 2: We just did what we wanted to do if we
Speaker 2: thought we could get away with it. That's the convict mentality. Well,
Speaker 2: if you could get away with it, you'd do it.
Speaker 2: And so you appear to be complied on the surface,
Speaker 2: But underneath the old convict mentality says we'll get away
Speaker 2: with what we can get away with, and I suspect
Speaker 2: a lot of that actually happened.
Speaker 3: Well, let me wrap a bow around this by saying,
Speaker 3: or quoting the great Clive James, who said, the problem
Speaker 3: with Australia isn't so much that we had descended from convicts,
Speaker 3: so that we're sended from Jaylor's and I see the
Speaker 3: Jaler mentality as Clive James saw at thirty or forty
Speaker 3: years ago.
Speaker 2: While we're on the Victorian Labor Party, the Victorian alp
Speaker 2: has been accused of getting into gutter politics after launching
Speaker 2: a highly personal social media attack on Coalition Opposition leader
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton and his wife. Opposition Home Affairs spokesman James Patterson,
Speaker 2: a Liberal senator from Victoria, Is, called on Prime Minister
Speaker 2: Anthony Albanezi to take this grubby.
Speaker 5: Meme down immediately. Evelyn.
Speaker 2: They've used his wife's comment that Peter Dutton there's not
Speaker 2: a monster to give them to use against him.
Speaker 5: What do you think about this?
Speaker 1: Look?
Speaker 6: I honestly think if you're in the spotlight, you've probably
Speaker 6: come to expect this sort of tactic from the opposition.
Speaker 1: Should you expect it?
Speaker 6: You know, I think we live in a I think
Speaker 6: we should have a lot more freedom to express things.
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody should really be above jokes.
Speaker 6: I mean, it seems desperate, it seems distasteful, it doesn't
Speaker 6: seem very classy. But you know, hypothetically speaking.
Speaker 1: You know, and I'm not saying Dutton is a monster
Speaker 1: at all.
Speaker 6: But I don't think anybody in a political spectrum should
Speaker 6: be above us looking in their personal life. Like I said,
Speaker 6: if I have somebody who's telling me how to live
Speaker 6: my everyday life, I want to make sure that they're
Speaker 6: you know, a decent person. That being said, like I said,
Speaker 6: it just seems really lacking tact and desperate.
Speaker 2: And also there's no history of this kind of thing
Speaker 2: really in Australian politics. We've tended not to do that.
Speaker 2: Let's go overseas now, because this year marks the eightieth
Speaker 2: anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz by the Allies in
Speaker 2: the form of the Soviet Army when they marched into
Speaker 2: the camp in January of nineteen forty five. Soviet troops
Speaker 2: entered Aschwitz on January the twenty seventh, nineteen forty five,
Speaker 2: a date which is now marked as International Holocaust Remembrance Day. Now,
Speaker 2: this year is an important ceremony because it's the eightieth
Speaker 2: anniversary and special solemn ceremonies will be held at Auschwitz
Speaker 2: in Poland. But will the leaders of Israel be.
Speaker 5: Allowed to attend?
Speaker 2: The Polish government has announced that if Israeli Prime Minister
Speaker 2: Benjamin Netnyahu sets foot on Polish soil, he will be arrested.
Speaker 2: That is using the ICC's arrest warrant for supposed war crimes.
Speaker 5: Will your reaction.
Speaker 4: It's a face.
Speaker 3: It's an absolute disgrace for a democratically elected leader who
Speaker 3: has been fighting a just war. But I think this
Speaker 3: makes a even greater or. This tells an even greater
Speaker 3: story around Australia's involvement in the ICC, which is no
Speaker 3: longer tenable. In my opinion, this is the final straw
Speaker 3: Australia should be rethinking it's obition. We had Alexander Downer
Speaker 3: come out the other day with Tony Abbott and said
Speaker 3: if they could have considered what the ICC would have
Speaker 3: become today, yes.
Speaker 5: They wouldn't have got they wouldn't have.
Speaker 4: Gone into it.
Speaker 3: This was meant to be effectively for dodgy countries that
Speaker 3: didn't have proper judicial systems and to sort out bad
Speaker 3: people there. It wasn't to target democratically elected leaders in
Speaker 3: the middle of fighting just wars against Barbarrack votes.
Speaker 2: Should should let ya who simply defy the Polish government
Speaker 2: and turn up on Polish soil and say if you
Speaker 2: dare arrest me.
Speaker 6: I'm not sure, to be honest, that something like that
Speaker 6: would benefit the war in the Middle East at all.
Speaker 6: I mean, I guess the question is, how doesn't any
Speaker 6: yahoo move forward from this?
Speaker 1: How do you?
Speaker 6: Because I mean, it's not going to run away, it's
Speaker 6: not going to escape, it's not going to be a race.
Speaker 6: So how does a democratically elected, you know, politician deal with.
Speaker 1: Matters like this?
Speaker 6: I wouldn't even know to tell you the truth. But
Speaker 6: does he fight it? Does he get it removed? Would
Speaker 6: that be a way that a democratic politician could prove it?
Speaker 3: Certainly, certainly limits the holiday options if nothing else, basically
Speaker 3: Florida or nothing.
Speaker 5: But it looks dodgy.
Speaker 2: I mean, the warrants they have issued look extremely doubtful
Speaker 2: and extremely dubious and based on very poor evidence and
Speaker 2: very poor investigation.
Speaker 6: And it should be easy for him, I guess, to
Speaker 6: go and defend that and get it. I mean, I
Speaker 6: don't believe that these courts are objective or impartial. I
Speaker 6: think we've seen historically speaking that they are very subjective.
Speaker 6: They've been influenced by outside sources. And one of the
Speaker 6: things that you need to remember with justice is that
Speaker 6: there are very strong pillars that.
Speaker 1: Hold up the courts of justice. Some of those things
Speaker 1: are being objective.
Speaker 6: And impartial, not having outside influence. And once that those
Speaker 6: pillars get cracked and fractured, the entire.
Speaker 1: Justice system comes down.
Speaker 6: So I fully believe that these courts are not those
Speaker 6: things and it's not just. But that being said, I
Speaker 6: also don't think we should be a part of it
Speaker 6: at all. I think it's just another arm of globalism.
Speaker 6: It's just like the UN, just like the WHO.
Speaker 1: I think that democratic nations like you mentioned as well.
Speaker 5: Should it cause it so bad to themselves? Do need
Speaker 5: to be challenged? I mean, how would this be for
Speaker 5: an idea?
Speaker 2: Net Yaho flies to the United States, where they've said
Speaker 2: they will not arrest him, and then he joins a
Speaker 2: President Trump's party and flies with President Trump's party and
Speaker 2: all of his team to Poland. I mean, in the
Speaker 2: middle of the Americans, with the most powerful man on
Speaker 2: earth present by his side, with the Poles. Dare arrest
Speaker 2: Net and Yahoo. Just an idea, maybe they could give
Speaker 2: it a go. Coming up after the break. If you've
Speaker 2: got an air conditioning system, but you're plugged into the
Speaker 2: wrong sort of a meter, a digital meter, your econ
Speaker 2: could be turned off.
Speaker 5: On a very hot day.
Speaker 2: Back more than eight thousand Queensland householders had the cooling
Speaker 2: function on their air conditioner turned off, not by them,
Speaker 2: but remotely by their electricity supply energets. And it happened
Speaker 2: on a sweltering Sunday earlier this month. And this was
Speaker 2: the fifth time this big brother style of divention that
Speaker 2: happened this year. Once you allow your energy supplier to
Speaker 2: fit a digital meter to your electricity box, they are
Speaker 2: in control. What was it the ball used to say
Speaker 2: resistance is futile. They can remotely turn off part or
Speaker 2: all of the electricity being fed into your house. Look
Speaker 2: will how sinister is this? I mean what they do
Speaker 2: is they come along and say, we've got this better
Speaker 2: electricity meter. It will save you money and we'll give
Speaker 2: you a special disc out of four hundred dollars.
Speaker 5: Can we install it? I think we should say no.
Speaker 3: I think you're looking at the wrong source of evil.
Speaker 3: I don't think this is the fault of the energy company.
Speaker 3: The fact is there's not enough energy to go around
Speaker 3: in Queensland, and there's not enough to go around in Australia.
Speaker 4: We have governments that are going all in on.
Speaker 3: Renewables without the large scale battery storage to be able
Speaker 3: to actually do it, and there is not enough energy
Speaker 3: for energy X to go around, So say that that
Speaker 3: or large wide scale blackouts. I don't see what else
Speaker 3: they can possibly do here. The issue is government policy,
Speaker 3: the issues. It's still suicidal zero and unfortunately the private
Speaker 3: sector has been compromised as a result.
Speaker 2: But we're still giving people outside our house the power
Speaker 2: to control our house. And even though you're right the
Speaker 2: rest of the background, everything that you said is perfectly correct,
Speaker 2: We're not going to have enough power in the system
Speaker 2: and it's not going to come up the right times
Speaker 2: because we're.
Speaker 5: Not getting dispetchable power. Despite all of that, we can't
Speaker 5: give into this kind of control.
Speaker 3: And my understanding is they signed up for an energy
Speaker 3: rebate and I think you get about four hundred bucks off.
Speaker 4: He chose to put this in.
Speaker 5: So that's the sale.
Speaker 3: But as long as they know what they're signing up for,
Speaker 3: and I don't know how well this was communicated, it
Speaker 3: could have been very dodgy on the energy company's part.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if they knew what they were signing
Speaker 3: up for, then I say, you know, Bybyware.
Speaker 6: I think this is a really good lesson in why
Speaker 6: precedent is so important.
Speaker 1: And I harp on about this all.
Speaker 6: The time, but I look back at COVID for example.
Speaker 6: I'm not going to really press on that, but some
Speaker 6: of the legislation that was used to enact these draconian
Speaker 6: measures and arbitrary laws was enacted in Australian legislation.
Speaker 1: In there was some in nineteen fifty six.
Speaker 6: In New South Wales it was twenty ten, and it
Speaker 6: was only being used in you know, like decade later.
Speaker 6: And so this is such an important lesson in why
Speaker 6: precedent matters.
Speaker 1: Because you might.
Speaker 6: Think, you know, it's you know, the difference between analogue
Speaker 6: and digital, like who cares, But you're right, Kel, there
Speaker 6: is a precedent that we act unfortunately, because of what
Speaker 6: history shows, particularly with big government, is that they take
Speaker 6: far easier than they give back, and big governments continue
Speaker 6: to grow until there's a revolution against them. You know,
Speaker 6: you can vote you way into tyranny, unfortunately, but you have.
Speaker 1: To fight your way out of it.
Speaker 6: So precedent is so important when and I hate that
Speaker 6: we have to look at these things, but when you
Speaker 6: are signing over these things. We should be using a
Speaker 6: lot of discernment and a lot of wisdom and go
Speaker 6: how could this be used against me and my family
Speaker 6: in the future. And it's sad that we live in
Speaker 6: a first world nation and we have to think this way,
Speaker 6: but I think that we do. And I think the
Speaker 6: first thing Australians also need to stop saying is that
Speaker 6: we're a first world nation.
Speaker 1: I mean, what may the first world country? A first
Speaker 1: world You.
Speaker 6: Have power, you have electricity, you have comforts. You don't
Speaker 6: just have necessities.
Speaker 2: You have going in the wrong direction because we're not
Speaker 2: going to have dispatchable power under this wind plus sola
Speaker 2: plus backward.
Speaker 1: That's exactly my point when.
Speaker 2: Time, I don't want to sign a deal in which
Speaker 2: someone sitting in an office somewhere else says, oh, tonight
Speaker 2: will turn off the fridge.
Speaker 4: Then don't sign tonight.
Speaker 5: We'll turn off the TV and don't sign it. Well,
Speaker 5: I'm not going to. I'm wondering whether to. Too many
Speaker 5: of the difficult details are in small print at the
Speaker 5: bottom of the post. I think we've all signed insurance policies.
Speaker 4: We know that, and I think that that may be fair.
Speaker 4: That may be fair.
Speaker 3: I think that the bigger point here is there is
Speaker 3: a political opportunity for the conservative governments of Australia to
Speaker 3: say this sort of thing isn't about greedy corporates, which
Speaker 3: is what labor is doing at the moment.
Speaker 4: It is about energy policy.
Speaker 3: And at the moment I haven't heard the response from
Speaker 3: the state government there to say that this is an
Speaker 3: energy policy issue, not a greedy corporate issue. But we
Speaker 3: need to start having that conversation to start winning hearts
Speaker 3: and minds to say that net zero suicide and this
Speaker 3: stuff that's going to happen more and more unless we
Speaker 3: change course on policy.
Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about the size of your power bill,
Speaker 2: because if you're a bit worried about the size of
Speaker 2: your power bills, then Australia's Competition and Consumer Commission say,
Speaker 2: welcome to the club, Welcome on board. Nice to have
Speaker 2: you as one of the members. Who's got a problem.
Speaker 2: The power price shock. The ACC warns that households are
Speaker 2: paying too much. Most of us are doing that kind
Speaker 2: of thing. We are missing out, They're saying, most of
Speaker 2: us are in the wrong sort of deals. So there
Speaker 2: were reductions in the wholesale price of electricity in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four. Many of us didn't get them because we're
Speaker 2: stuck in deals where we don't get the best prices.
Speaker 5: Everyone tell us about your power.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, it was shocking.
Speaker 6: I nearly had to take out a mortgage just to
Speaker 6: pay for the last one. Yes, you know, I live,
Speaker 6: you know, on a working farm, like we perhaps have
Speaker 6: more expenses than you know, your average residential home in suburbia.
Speaker 6: But that being said, it was well in excess of
Speaker 6: over two thousand dollars for a quarter. And I was
Speaker 6: literally walking around my property looking for a leaking hot
Speaker 6: water that could potentially be doing it. We have to
Speaker 6: pump water to our house. We don't have we are
Speaker 6: off tank, so I was thinking maybe the pump was
Speaker 6: broken and got frozen. This is how I had to think,
Speaker 6: and it was just crazy. I was calling people asking
Speaker 6: them to come and check my meter because it seemed
Speaker 6: so unbelievable to me that just me and my small family,
Speaker 6: like there are larger families out there, could be spending
Speaker 6: so much money. And I was looking for discrepancies. But unfortunately,
Speaker 6: if you look around, so many people are in my
Speaker 6: position where they're in such shock with this. But I
Speaker 6: think this goes down to what you were saying, will
Speaker 6: I think so many of these problems are because of
Speaker 6: our poor policies that.
Speaker 1: Our government are putting in around power.
Speaker 6: Unless something changes, businesses are going to go broke because
Speaker 6: businesses are spending tens of thousands of dollars for their electricity,
Speaker 6: like that's unsustainable.
Speaker 3: Well, and this will sound callous, but Australian can seems
Speaker 3: need to feel the pain of high energy to recognize
Speaker 3: that this is the cost of net zero. So when
Speaker 3: we've seen the polls in the last ten years, do
Speaker 3: you want to do something about climate change? Ninety percent
Speaker 3: of people go yeah, sure, But then we haven't put
Speaker 3: consciously said this is going to.
Speaker 5: Be the cost.
Speaker 6: I think people knew the practical ramifications of what that meant.
Speaker 5: It sounds nice, surely that's happening now now people build.
Speaker 5: Now people are saying, ah, this is what net zero
Speaker 5: costs me.
Speaker 3: This is the tipping point. And we've seen something interesting
Speaker 3: in the UK as well, where there's been a story
Speaker 3: over the last three or four months where the winter
Speaker 3: fuel allowance for pensioners has been taken away because they're
Speaker 3: basically trying to fund the net zero scam. And as
Speaker 3: a result of that, there's been this very successful and
Speaker 3: very fair campaign to say that the Labor government in
Speaker 3: the UK is letting pensioners freeze to death over winter.
Speaker 3: These are the types of stories that, unfortunately, as sad
Speaker 3: and tragic as it is, we need to hear if
Speaker 3: we're going to say, look, we need to stop this nonsense.
Speaker 3: We need to have cheap, reliable power and we're not
Speaker 3: going to get that through net zero.
Speaker 2: And the other side of this renewable energy story is
Speaker 2: what not just what we're experiencing, but what the people
Speaker 2: who are having the sources of this thrust on them.
Speaker 2: Another proposed wind farm development has been shelved. The partners
Speaker 2: behind a contextous plan in South Australia have quietly pulled
Speaker 2: out of the project. There have been proposals around Australia
Speaker 2: that this sort of thing should happen, and Albanizi government's
Speaker 2: advocacy for this sector's.
Speaker 5: Been a reliance on wind power.
Speaker 2: Now, is this evilent the big Chris Bowen project, the
Speaker 2: wind and solar plus batteries just steadily coming apart of
Speaker 2: the seams.
Speaker 6: I think it's been coming apart at the seams for
Speaker 6: quite a while, and I mean This isn't the only
Speaker 6: wind farm in Oberon, New South Wales. They're planning on
Speaker 6: doing the largest wind farm in the state. I think
Speaker 6: that there's over two hundred and fifty of these wind
Speaker 6: tower things that are actually taller than the centerpoint tower.
Speaker 6: You've got farmers around the area who are getting paid
Speaker 6: up to eighty thousand dollars just because the shadows that
Speaker 6: hit over their house and they've got to live with it.
Speaker 1: I mean, all of this is a joke.
Speaker 6: I look back at you know, when we had the
Speaker 6: internet broadband. Do you remember when you used to have
Speaker 6: to dial it up and you'd sit there and it
Speaker 6: would dial. When they made the shift from broadband to
Speaker 6: Wi Fi, did any of us have any problems or
Speaker 6: did we go yep.
Speaker 1: Let's quickly do that. Why because they had.
Speaker 6: A reliable alternative. And unless they have a reliable alternative,
Speaker 6: they need to scrap this renewable energy and they need
Speaker 6: to just do coal. And I know that's a dirty
Speaker 6: word and all that to say that, but until we
Speaker 6: have reliable, affordable, renewable, clean energy, bad luck. Because people
Speaker 6: are struggling, people are in poverty. You've got grandparents who
Speaker 6: are freezing to death, they're telling us next year that
Speaker 6: what we have to do is start stocking up on firewood.
Speaker 1: What the heck is that?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 2: Will The problem is trying to sell what everyone's took
Speaker 2: you about coal fired power.
Speaker 1: I think nuclear is the way to go receptible.
Speaker 2: I mean, would the political climate wear that these days?
Speaker 3: I think they will wear it if the cost of
Speaker 3: energy reaches a point where people are suffering badly enough.
Speaker 4: And I think we are reaching that point.
Speaker 6: We're very socialist country that I think people in their minds,
Speaker 6: especially in Australia, have been duped into thinking.
Speaker 1: That the government will get them out of any problem.
Speaker 1: Well in that it's a big struggle.
Speaker 3: We're going to have to get through that requires political persuasion,
Speaker 3: and probably a level of political persuasion that is beyond
Speaker 3: the political players in our system at the moment. Can
Speaker 3: I just make one other point which I think I
Speaker 3: think that the story here is that some environmental groups
Speaker 3: were saying that the whales would be affected or something
Speaker 3: like that, you know, coral or whatever. And I think
Speaker 3: it's a really interesting insight into how climate hysteria has
Speaker 3: replaced genuine environmentalism. I generally haven't really kind of had
Speaker 3: much a truck with Greenpeace, but in this instance fair play.
Speaker 3: If you're going to chuck big metal, spinny things, you know,
Speaker 3: the dark satanic mills of the modern age, as Tony
Speaker 3: Abbott called them, in the middle of natural environments, that
Speaker 3: is terrible.
Speaker 6: I have a name for this will It's called right
Speaker 6: wing environmentalism, and I'm all for it, I think. And
Speaker 6: we can touch onto that right wing environmentalism, which is
Speaker 6: being a good steward of the land that we've been
Speaker 6: given and of our earth, being good steward at it.
Speaker 1: Right Who wouldn't want to do that?
Speaker 6: Who wouldn't want to have a better solution to trash
Speaker 6: and rubbish being in ocean?
Speaker 1: Who wouldn't want to do that?
Speaker 6: But you know what, wind farms out of the ocean
Speaker 6: is also not I never thought.
Speaker 4: I'd say this on national television.
Speaker 3: Noel happily chain myself to the trees where the next
Speaker 3: kind of bunch of these big metal turbines are being
Speaker 3: thrown in. We'll do it as a big Sky News
Speaker 3: initiative to say that we're not going to stand for
Speaker 3: climatista anymore if we're going to destroy our natural environment
Speaker 3: in the process.
Speaker 5: Okay, and we will be the first one to be
Speaker 5: shaved up.
Speaker 2: We will just be standing by applauding, shaying what a
Speaker 2: hero you are to us.
Speaker 4: Will I never thought i'd say save the trees on national.
Speaker 2: Really big issue that no one is actually facing is
Speaker 2: what we need in our system is what is called
Speaker 2: dispectable power. In other words, the demand has to week
Speaker 2: will the supply. If the supply is too high, that
Speaker 2: doesn't work. If the demand is too high, that doesn't work.
Speaker 2: You have to be able to match them. That means
Speaker 2: turning off the supply when you don't have high demand,
Speaker 2: turning it back on when demand increases. You cannot do
Speaker 2: that with windmills and solar panels. It doesn't work. You
Speaker 2: can do it with coal, you can deal with nuclear,
Speaker 2: you can deal with gas.
Speaker 5: You can even do it.
Speaker 2: With hydro by bringing another pump online. But with wind
Speaker 2: and solar, the electricity comes when it comes, when the
Speaker 2: wind blows, when the sun is shining.
Speaker 5: So if you don't have.
Speaker 2: Dispatchable power, you don't have a system whose engineering is controllable.
Speaker 2: So the whole fundamental business, it seems to me, is flawed,
Speaker 2: and no one is explaining that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, I don't have anything more to add
Speaker 3: to that, because I don't think anyone is capable of
Speaker 3: explaining that, and that's both the political skill or the
Speaker 3: political courage to be able to do that in our
Speaker 3: current climate. Maybe someone like an alexanderik is that person,
Speaker 3: but there aren't many.
Speaker 5: Perhaps you years.
Speaker 2: Let's turn to a really serious and very worrying problem.
Speaker 2: Hand Sanitizer could soon be placed under lock and key
Speaker 2: in the Northern Territory after Police Commissioner Michael Murphy discovered
Speaker 2: that people are drinking and sanitizer evel the need for
Speaker 2: a band tell us about the social problems in the
Speaker 2: Northern Territory.
Speaker 6: Well, this just shows that this is a symptom of
Speaker 6: a far greater problem.
Speaker 1: As a nation.
Speaker 6: I think Australia and a lot of nations in the West, we.
Speaker 1: Are very sick. We are very spick, sick physically.
Speaker 6: We are very sick emotionally, We're very sick mentally and spiritually.
Speaker 1: And I think this is a second quicksit.
Speaker 2: The people in the room, we're doing okay. There are
Speaker 2: problems in specific places. There's problems the big social problems,
Speaker 2: aren't they.
Speaker 6: There are specific niche problems everywhere, but the same problem
Speaker 6: is a lot of people are turning to things in
Speaker 6: our society to escape from reality because people haven't been
Speaker 6: given mechanisms to cope and etc. So that we could
Speaker 6: dissect that psychologically. But it is an incredibly sad situation.
Speaker 6: You know, when I was in law enforcement, I did
Speaker 6: some work with indigenous communities and very sadly I witnessed
Speaker 6: this firsthand. There were small children, like heart breaking, who
Speaker 6: would walk around with blisters in a circle shape from
Speaker 6: their nose to the bottom of their lips because they
Speaker 6: would have old milk bottles filled with glue and they
Speaker 6: would be smelling them. This is a problem that's been
Speaker 6: around for a long time. Perhaps hand sanitizer because of
Speaker 6: you know what we saw, it's more readily available. But sadly,
Speaker 6: these problems have been happening for a while. I think
Speaker 6: the big elephant in the room is how we deal
Speaker 6: with these problems. And unfortunately, white man like people you know,
Speaker 6: like us who come from British ancestry, who came here
Speaker 6: as convicts. Like we said before, our hands are kind
Speaker 6: of tied because if we were limited in what we're
Speaker 6: able to do to help these communities. And I think
Speaker 6: Jacinta Price has said this before and you mentioned it
Speaker 6: as well, Kel, that we need to be looking at
Speaker 6: welfare not by the color of your skin or what
Speaker 6: your DNA, your blood an ancestry says, but by what
Speaker 6: you know who's in need at the time, and get
Speaker 6: rid of that sort of racial lens.
Speaker 1: And in doing so, we and Australians could.
Speaker 6: Help these communities more. But if we, you know, we're
Speaker 6: seen as colonizers. If we dare step into an Indigenous
Speaker 6: community and say they're not living how they should be living.
Speaker 6: I mean, as a police officer, I would be saving
Speaker 6: babies from situations. I remember, you know there were drug
Speaker 6: addicts injecting their newborn babies because they were born with addictions,
Speaker 6: and I would go and take the baby from that situation.
Speaker 6: But I was the colonizer, and you know, how.
Speaker 1: Dare I do this?
Speaker 6: And so we've had this horrible social perception if we
Speaker 6: dare try and help these communities, and I think until
Speaker 6: we address that elephant in the room, and until we
Speaker 6: scrap this idea that we're doing it because we're racist,
Speaker 6: we're not going to deal with the big problem.
Speaker 2: Can I suggest that it isn't really racist? I mean,
Speaker 2: I went on to the Message Albert Hospital, which is
Speaker 2: a home for homeless men in Sydney, to do a
Speaker 2: story with the film crew once and there was a
Speaker 2: chap there who introduced himself to me. He was a
Speaker 2: former ABC journalist, so I had I worked with him
Speaker 2: YEWS earlier and this is where he got to And
Speaker 2: while I was talking to him, he picked up a
Speaker 2: bottle of methylated spirits and began to drink from it.
Speaker 5: It was chilling. I mean, how can anyone do that
Speaker 5: sort of thing?
Speaker 2: But he had got into a position personally where he
Speaker 2: wasn't coping with life, and this is what he was doing.
Speaker 5: Now, they've got to worry when.
Speaker 2: There are people of any race, in any situation who
Speaker 2: get to that level of despair that all they can
Speaker 2: do is blot everything out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but those acts of despair are happening disproportionately and
Speaker 3: remote Indigenous communities. That are happening because of the lack
Speaker 3: of opportunities. They're happening because of terrible parenting. They're happening
Speaker 3: because shockingly high rates of abuse. And I think on
Speaker 3: the right we need to have the courage to call
Speaker 3: this out and say that these are problems.
Speaker 4: They are backed by data, and we need to be
Speaker 4: able to address that.
Speaker 3: I think evelyn K you're exactly right in saying that
Speaker 3: this is an issue of courage on the right. I
Speaker 3: think we saw during the Voice campaign increasingly more people
Speaker 3: get the confidence to say that. But unfortunately, and the
Speaker 3: great tragedy of the Voice campaign is it used up
Speaker 3: all of the political capital in the Indigenous affairs debate
Speaker 3: and now one of the last time you really started
Speaker 3: hearing serious policy and issuates about digitous affairs from Albanezi
Speaker 3: and Co. They've moved on despite it being the great
Speaker 3: moral challenge eight months ago.
Speaker 1: May I make one other point, so Michelle, just about this.
Speaker 6: Another thing that I think is really important for us
Speaker 6: to identify and recognize is that we've essentially set up
Speaker 6: generations of children in these communities that we're seeing, you know,
Speaker 6: these unprecedented numbers in.
Speaker 1: These indigenous communities.
Speaker 6: We've basically told them through the Voice referendum that unless
Speaker 6: you have this, and unless Australians vote yes to this,
Speaker 6: you've got no hope of ever having a voice in
Speaker 6: this country. Really, and that's a really big thing for
Speaker 6: those kids being raised with that in the back of
Speaker 6: their mind. Not only have we said that to them.
Speaker 6: We've also basically said to kids in those communities that
Speaker 6: we all hate you and that you've got no hope
Speaker 6: in no future.
Speaker 1: It's an unwinnable game.
Speaker 6: So of course they're going to step back and go, well,
Speaker 6: why would I bother if I try?
Speaker 1: And it's not going to get me anywhere anyway.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that's the message we've said, But this
Speaker 2: is just the service is a very big, complicated issue
Speaker 2: and we can't deal with it all here. After the break,
Speaker 2: we will come back and we'll have a look at
Speaker 2: what damage WOKE can do a part of the fun
Speaker 2: in our lives now, we've talked about some fairly serious
Speaker 2: and even fairly grim topics on the program. I'm just
Speaker 2: looking at you. I think you hit cheering up now.
Speaker 2: So let's think for a moment about Crocodile under It.
Speaker 2: It's got to be a classic movie, the perfect holiday movie,
Speaker 2: or so you might think. But Channel five in the
Speaker 2: United Kingdom decided Crocodile Dundee is politically incorrect and they've
Speaker 2: chopped about ten percent out of the movie. The audience
Speaker 2: was terribly upset about this.
Speaker 5: Will you live in London?
Speaker 2: We will hold you personally responsible for Channel five days?
Speaker 5: What are they up to?
Speaker 4: The workmind virus is a very powerful thing.
Speaker 3: Help and look, thankfully the work mind virus has not
Speaker 3: made its way into the Sky News studio quite yet.
Speaker 4: We're going to do the extraordinarily courageous.
Speaker 3: Thing in twenty twenty four of showing you a clip
Speaker 3: of crocodile Dundee, I think we've got three to go.
Speaker 1: It's got a nice.
Speaker 4: Nice that's a nice shock horror ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1: I think I need to get counseling after that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, what's the violence is it?
Speaker 2: I've got no idea why they thought that was outrageous,
Speaker 2: because all it is is one of the classic lines
Speaker 2: in the movie. Beautiful piece of writing, and the comic
Speaker 2: delivery is absolutely perfect. They pulled out other things in
Speaker 2: which I think Mick Dundee encountered a trans woman and
Speaker 2: when he just thought she was backed off. Well, of
Speaker 2: course that would horrify everyone these days, wouldn't it?
Speaker 4: It would look Look.
Speaker 3: The good thing is these sorts of stories are turning
Speaker 3: people against the woke mind virus very quickly. They are
Speaker 3: actually a very good thing to get this movement past us,
Speaker 3: which I think is getting past.
Speaker 1: Us will be the death.
Speaker 6: It is the death of satire, and we're seeing the
Speaker 6: fruits of that.
Speaker 5: Can I say the good news is I think work
Speaker 5: is dying.
Speaker 6: I think, well, Kell stupidity can't sustain itself.
Speaker 4: Look, I think the worst of work is almost gone. Hopefully.
Speaker 5: Okay, the news is good. We've ended on a cheerful note.
Speaker 2: Next up on Sky to use the documentary Shandy Story
Speaker 2: The Search for Justice.