WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 30 December 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:04.800 Lately the gentleman. Welcome to the Late Debate. 0:00:06.440 --> 0:00:09.000 Good evening, Welcome to the Late Debate time, Kel Richards 0:00:09.080 --> 0:00:11.720 joining me on the panel. Will Kingston and Evelyn Ray. 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:14.200 Thanks for joining us. It is lovely to have your company. 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:16.360 Later on in the program, and we're going to talk 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:18.680 about what happens if you have the wrong sort of 0:00:18.720 --> 0:00:22.200 electricity meter and the fact that they can suddenly decide 0:00:22.200 --> 0:00:24.560 to turn off your air conditioning, and you'll have a 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:27.760 chance to join us in fulminating about those dreadful things 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:31.680 they are doing to crocodile Dundee. But first, how will 0:00:31.720 --> 0:00:36.920 the world remember Jimmy put Carter, an affable, likable george 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:40.199 and peanut farmer. He was a one term president. According 0:00:40.200 --> 0:00:42.640 to my sort of estimates are only nine I think 0:00:42.800 --> 0:00:45.920 one term presidents in the United States. He won in 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:48.400 nineteen seventy one from the hapless Gerald Ford. Then he 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:52.760 defeated it was defeated by the great communicator Ronald Reagan, 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:55.840 and he left after four years in presidency. It was 0:00:55.880 --> 0:00:58.960 after his presidency that Carter became really famous for his 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:03.080 work with Habitat for Humanity, personally working with teams picking 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:05.240 up a hammer and a saw, and working on those 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:09.559 building sites and with the Carter Center. So will how 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:12.480 will Jimmy Carter be remembered as a president? 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:15.640 I know we're meant to say nice things after someone 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:17.399 passes away, so I'll get that out of the way 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:19.440 in about fifteen seconds. He did a lot of good 0:01:19.440 --> 0:01:22.279 stuff after he finished presidency, and he gave us Ronald 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:23.839 Reagan because he was so rubbish. 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:26.200 Now, I hate to. 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:28.280 Say it, but he has been remembered in his life 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:31.120 as one of the most destructive US presidents, and I 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:32.840 don't think that's going to change just now that he's 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:33.400 passed away. 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:37.479 He unfortunately, after Joe Biden still say that. 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:39.560 Yeah, this is you know, this is a really kind 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:43.440 of pedantic debate. But he led to rampant inflation in 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:46.480 that country. He let the Soviets run wild. He was 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:50.240 a weak leader in his time in office, and I 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:54.600 think he will be remembered unfortunately, very dimly, notwithstanding his 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:55.400 work after he left. 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:57.600 He strikes me a little as being, in a sense, 0:01:57.680 --> 0:02:02.040 the opposite of Trump. Carter a likable man. Everyone liked him. 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:05.160 He was a lovely, warm, friendly man, and everyone approved 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:07.280 of him and morally thought he was wonderful. 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:08.520 But he was a very. 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:11.280 Weak president, whereas Trump, on the other hand, is one 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:13.040 of those. One of a couple of days ago, someone 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:16.119 said to me, oh, he's an appalling character, dreadful human being, 0:02:16.480 --> 0:02:18.960 but he proved to be a good president in his 0:02:18.960 --> 0:02:21.000 first term and may well do the same thing in 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:21.920 his second term. 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:24.480 So is he Is he the opposite of Trump? 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:25.680 I think so. 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:29.919 I think a big difference between the two of them 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:33.680 is one gets things done and one doesn't. And you know, 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:37.040 it's funny how during you know, the death, and I 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:40.480 guess people remembering his life and all of his work, 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:44.440 everybody always begins with, you know, and qualifies their condolences 0:02:44.440 --> 0:02:46.679 to the family, which is the right and respectful thing 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:50.600 to do. You know, his family are obviously mourning his 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:52.440 death and things, and that's a very sad thing. 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:52.720 To go through. 0:02:52.760 --> 0:02:55.720 But everybody then notes that he wasn't the greatest president. 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:56.640 And it has to come. 0:02:56.440 --> 0:03:01.120 With that caveat, because I think that even Democrats, even leftists, 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:04.440 who were very happy with him when he was elected 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:06.800 and things like that, and then his life afterwards, even 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:09.120 they are more than happy to criticize him. But I 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:12.240 think a really good telltale sign if someone really is 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:16.040 a good politician. Usually if it's very loud that he's 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:18.240 not liked like Trump, it's usually a good sign. He's 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:21.800 probably doing a good job, I think somewhat exactly, which 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:23.680 is a good thing in this day and Asian and 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:26.160 perhaps was then that there are a lot of excuses 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:29.440 I think that I'm seeing being aired post you know, 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:31.639 Carter's death, and a lot of people are saying, oh, 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:33.359 you know, it was the time, or it was this, 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:35.280 or you know this and that. But you know, if 0:03:35.280 --> 0:03:39.720 you look at just objectively the things as president that 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:42.800 he did, you know, minus the emotion, minus trying to 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:45.440 tread carefully around, you know, mourning. 0:03:45.120 --> 0:03:47.760 His death, it was his own policy that led him down. 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:50.600 And look at Iran with the Islamist look at what 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:54.160 you mentioned Will with the Soviet Union aggression that sort 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:57.160 of came under there. He also elected a lot of 0:03:57.200 --> 0:03:59.960 really progressive, like extreme progressive. 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:01.520 Into the court, which then obviously. 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:04.640 Saw the degradation of the legal system, the constitution, the 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:05.720 human rights. 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:08.520 And you know, he also I think one of the 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:09.360 last things. 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:12.160 That he said before he passed away was he staying 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:15.320 alive long enough to vote for Kamela. So I think 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:17.240 that says enough about it. 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:18.960 I think we all know that it wasn't him who 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:20.400 actually he said that. 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:22.520 He was a very old man, and there was, as 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:24.320 you say, a spokesman who said. 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:24.640 It for him. 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:28.040 I always remember him as being involved in the around 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:31.960 hostage crisis. Fifty two American diplomats were held for four 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:33.599 hundred and forty four days. 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:36.560 That's about one undred quarter years. Again in three months 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:38.080 something like that, a terribly long time. 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:41.359 And right at the beginning will he actually announced he 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:43.599 would put no boots on the ground, there would be 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:44.600 no military action. 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:48.240 He was going to talk this out. Now. Is it 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:51.360 possible for a good guy to be a good president? 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:53.120 Or isn't it? Is it not possible? 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:55.720 It's a really interesting question, and it's a question I've 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:58.159 probably changed my mind on. I once thought that to 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:00.000 be a great leader you needed to have a firm 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:03.480 moral compass. I'm now not so sure about that. There 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:06.320 are just too many examples throughout human history, from Lloyd 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:10.800 George through to Nixon through to Trump, where bad, well 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:14.400 potentially men with questionable morals have proven to be effective leaders. 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:16.559 And too many people on the other side of the ledger, 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:19.120 like Jimmy Carter, who have been fundamentally good men who 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:21.200 have proven to be weak leaders. I think the key 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:24.400 ingredient is strength. I don't necessarily think it is having 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:26.599 a strong moral compass. 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:27.160 I think that. 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:29.960 Strong moral compass leads to strength. I would push back 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:30.240 with you. 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:30.680 On that one. 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:34.200 I think that we are so used to not having 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:36.960 good options. It was always the lesser of two evils. 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:40.040 Particularly now like in Australian politics. It's like I probably 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:43.080 wouldn't vote for any or either people in you know, 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:45.640 the parties. But it's just in my mind and in 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:48.800 my logical system, I'm thinking, well, what's the lesser of 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:51.280 two evils? And I think for too long we've kind of, 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:53.920 you know, made lead ways with this. But I think 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:56.880 in an ideal world as actually it's good morals that 0:05:57.000 --> 0:05:57.960 leads to strength. 0:05:58.640 --> 0:06:02.520 But Luther once famously said he would be governed by 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:06.320 the devil if he was a good governor. In other words, 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:09.240 it's the power to govern well and make good decisions 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:10.599 and good judgments. 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:11.520 That's what matters. 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:16.159 Got it well, I think that And I'm like that 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:18.960 you quote Luther. I quite appreciate. 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:21.919 Some of the things that he's done, particularly the Reformation, 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:24.000 but that's another topic. Joe's not on the show, so 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:27.719 you won't get into that. But I honestly think that, 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:31.719 you know, like everybody has a moral. 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:33.760 Compass, which is what guides them. And I think that. 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:40.400 Strength that isn't restrained by good morals is quite dangerous. 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:42.320 Just like a man or a woman. 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:45.799 Without purpose is quite dangerous. The same logic I believe 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:49.039 applies with politicians. I think that sure. I mean, I'm 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:52.039 not saying that every politician needs to be perfect, like 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:55.640 we're all imperfect, but I think we should be striving, 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:57.760 particularly with people who have that much power to have 0:06:57.839 --> 0:06:59.839 authority over us, we should be striving. 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:03.040 And for people who have that, decent and strong can happen. 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:05.920 Churchill gave us decent and strong and won the Second 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:09.800 World War. Reagan gave us decent and strong and won 0:07:09.840 --> 0:07:10.400 the Cold War. 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:11.000 It can happen. 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:13.040 I don't think they're mutually exclusive, but I think we're 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:15.880 right in saying that strength is the keyword here. And 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:17.800 I think the one thing which I'm excited about with 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:21.320 an incoming Trump presidency is the concept of peace through strength. 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:23.400 I think ultimately, when you'll have a strong leader in 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:25.559 the White House, which I think Trump will be you'll 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:28.240 ultimately see a greater level of global security and that's 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:30.920 something we didn't unfortunately have under Jimmy Carter. 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:34.440 Let's see if this applies to our local politics, because 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:37.120 this coming year, twenty twenty five is an election year, 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:39.360 and the polls are coming out and they're saying things 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:42.520 are bad for the Labor Party. Both in New South 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:45.040 Wales and Victoria. Labor has dropped in the latest opinion 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:48.360 polls swung strongly against Labor and the battleground state of 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:52.200 Western Australia. The trend has cut the government's primary vote 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:55.640 from thirty three percent to twenty nine percent in both 0:07:55.920 --> 0:07:58.880 New South Wales and Victoria since the last election, putting 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:01.280 a Labor on course for a feet in key electorates 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:05.720 unless its stages a dramatic turnaround next year. Victorian voters 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:08.880 have lifted the coalition's primary vote from thirty three to 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:11.920 thirty eight percent, and New South Wales voters have increased 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:14.960 their coalitions have bought thirty seven to thirty eight percent. 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:17.240 And it seems to me that this. 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:20.560 Business of having someone strong in government what we've been 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:24.840 talking about to do with Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:27.560 and Jimmy Carter could apply here. 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:29.760 I mean, is Australia. 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:33.400 Are Australians looking at Anthony Albanesi and saying we want 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:34.319 a stronger leader. 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:35.800 I don't think so. 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:40.280 I no, shocker, can you believe it? But I mean 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:43.160 I look at some of the statistics like Victoria, for example, 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:45.520 and I think have people not learnt? 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:48.080 I mean, like it honestly shocks me. 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:50.840 I you know, I'm not one that would you know, 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:53.200 run with a conspiracy and believe it to be true. 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:56.000 But like, I mean, I can't believe that these votes, 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:59.040 I mean the last election, like they voted Dan Andrews 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:01.520 back in back after what he did during COVID, and 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:03.520 I thought, how does this happen? 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:07.160 The party in Victoria was a mess, There was not 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:08.640 an electable opposition. 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:13.920 Yeah, but look, honestly, I honestly think that. 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:19.239 The Liberal Party in Victoria have done themselves no favors unfortunately, 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:22.480 especially with what they've done with Moira, and I wonder 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:26.800 whether perhaps that's why Victoria is different to the other states, because, 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:29.319 to be honest, like what they did to her was truly. 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:31.160 Deplorable. 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:34.720 And yeah, so maybe that's why that state stands differently 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:38.400 to other states who are perhaps swinging more towards Liberal. 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:40.520 Let's come back to Victoria in just a moment, because 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:42.800 they've got a new state leader. But I'm thinking in 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:45.600 terms of whether we need strong leaders and I had 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:48.480 a Liberal Party your executive member say to me the 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:50.280 other day. He said, kel what we need is a 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:53.559 Liberal Party campaign that says what Australian needs is leadership. 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:56.840 What Australian needs is done. Is that the way the 0:09:56.840 --> 0:09:58.240 country is flowing. 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:00.400 I think there's a couple of points. 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:02.680 I think the first thing is it is absolutely without 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:05.320 question that the quality of political leadership across the Western 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:06.920 world is not where it was in the time of 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:09.760 Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan. I think we've seen a shift, 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:12.040 and it's been a shift for the worst. Dutton incoming 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:14.360 is certainly no Ronald Reagan. He's stronger and he's a 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:16.640 better option and a two party in a two party 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:21.439 system then Alberonizi is. But I don't think he's necessarily 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:24.400 the long term answer for Australia. The other thing that 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:27.559 I would say is, unfortunately, because there isn't a very 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:30.800 strong alternative, we are fracing minority government in this country 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:34.079 and that will be an absolutely mitigated disaster after seeing 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:36.120 the lack of results the last time we had a 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:36.880 minority government. 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:40.840 The thing is, sorry, we have good options here in Australia. 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:42.760 The problem is they're not in the positions where they 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:45.120 can take power. Like I think alec Antick would be 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:48.360 an incredible prime minister. I think he's I think, well, 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:51.160 he's not in the right he'd have to change the positions. 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:53.000 Yeah, I know that, But why aren't the best people 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:53.640 rising from. 0:10:53.600 --> 0:10:56.240 Well that's the good question, because like you said, I 0:10:56.600 --> 0:11:00.320 don't you know, out of Albanesi and Dunton. Absolutely I'm 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:02.640 going to be I would vote Dutton. 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:03.880 You know before alban easy. 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:06.960 But that being said, like there are better options, and 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:09.720 I think we need to start having conversations about shifting 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:12.839 things for the better and having a real change. I mean, 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:15.200 I look at America and I'm inspired, and I'm like, oh, 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:17.880 thank goodness that there's you know, chumps back in and 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:21.320 I don't you know, I honestly hope Jade Vance's VP 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:23.680 gets elected after him. I think he would be great. 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:27.720 He's a young strong man. Yeah who I think people 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:30.440 would like to follow. And I look at that and think, gosh, 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:32.280 I wish We had something like that in Australia and 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:34.240 new just new blood. 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:36.800 And politics is the art of the possible. So bring 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:37.640 it back home. 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:39.319 Real well, Antiic is possible. 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:42.760 That's a great twenty thirty five. He can't become prime minister. 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:44.880 We are to work out where we're going now. 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:45.640 The polls are. 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:48.000 Telling us, and you were saying, and most commentators are 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:50.280 saying the same thing. The poll numbers that I read 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:53.160 out a moment ago indicate there'll be a minority government 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:55.559 and that might mean a labor government. 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:56.920 Supported by Greens and Teals. 0:11:57.320 --> 0:12:00.800 And you turn it up a sort of show of 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:03.480 pale what I mean, and that sort of possibility it's 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:06.520 not attractive. I wonder if those poles are right. The 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:09.400 American poles got it wrong. They said it was on 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:13.400 a knife edge, razor sharp, and no one could pick 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:16.240 the winner. And in fact Trump came in in a landslide. 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:18.559 And my guess is there are a lot of people 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:22.760 out there the poles are not measuring, the people who 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:24.480 were saying no, I won't take part of the pole, 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:28.280 and they're people who might actually give Dutton government comfortably. 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:30.920 Yeah, I think that may be right, and I'll break 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:33.680 the fourth wall here, ladies and gentlemen, I know after 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:36.320 speaking off camera that you said that being having a 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:39.640 minority government may not necessarily be a bad thinkel and 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:43.600 I just think that is absolutely bonkers. It leads to fragmentation, 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:46.280 it leads to nothing getting done, it leads to squabbling. 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:48.720 I can't understand how you could possibly think that minority 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:50.920 government could be in any way a good thing for 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:51.440 this country. 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:52.640 I don't think I said. 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:55.800 That, actually, so I don't think I said that. No, no, no, 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:59.079 I just joined under the I've remained convinced that Dutton 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:01.360 is going to win comfort winter. I shouldn't be saying 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:05.160 things like this. Should putting my kidneys on the line, 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:09.120 isn't it here? But I think it's looking at these numbers. 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:12.000 If that's what the polsters are finding, I think there's 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:14.800 a margin the pulsters are not finding who could give 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:18.240 Dutton a comfortable win, mind you. Alberizi says he's not 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:20.199 thrown by the Boles. As far as he's concerned, they're 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:23.080 perfectly okay. Here's what he had to say to the 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:24.040 Australian people. 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:29.480 What I'm worried about is helping fellow Australians. I've been 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:35.600 underestimated my whole political life, and I'm focused on making 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:38.440 a difference for costs of living. I'm making a difference 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:41.560 for plans that we have going forward. 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:45.160 I'm assuming that raised in a housing commission came up 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:47.200 to staffter that and we didn't have quite time to 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:47.800 extend out. 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:52.040 He says, will that he is being underestimated, is he? 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:54.720 I think I ran in the Herald the other day 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:58.120 that Albanezi is the master tactician and I just haven't 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:00.280 seen much evidence of it in this first turn. With 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:04.240 the voice being the obvious example of an incredible political catastrophe, 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:05.800 he may be able to pull something out. And look, 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:08.280 he's been in politics first since what ninety six and 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:09.640 it does take a fair bit to be able to 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:11.920 keep your seat over that time. But I haven't seen 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:13.400 much evidence of the master tactician. 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:16.040 No, No, In fact, he looks much more like someone 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:18.839 who just can't read the room. And where most Australians are. 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:23.400 I think, you know, evidence shows, particularly with his voice, 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:26.520 you know referendum, that he can't read the room. He's 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:29.880 out of touch with the Australian people. But yeah, I 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:32.680 honestly think at this point in time it's Dutton's election 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:36.200 to lose. I believe that, and like you said, well, 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:38.560 I don't think that Albanese has given us a single 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:42.960 reason to think that we are and underestimating him. You know, 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:46.560 I think that the only problem we'll have is if 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:49.400 liberal don't step up, because at the moment we really 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:52.840 need a proper alternative to labor and not labor light. 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:54.160 Yeah. I agree. 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:56.760 I think if we're talking about anyone being underestimated, I 0:14:56.800 --> 0:15:00.680 still think in quiet corners of Marrickville and Green areas 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:04.160 that they're underestimating Peter Dutton. I'm fascinated by the myth 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:07.120 of the socially conservative liberal leader in this country. They 0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:10.320 said Howard was unelectable, they said Morrison's unelectable, they said 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:13.360 Abbott was unelectable. They keep making the same mistake, and 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:14.640 Darton is in the same mold. 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:16.360 I just sense they may. 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:18.920 Still be making the same mistake today because they can't 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:21.000 get their head around someone like that being in a 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:21.720 position of power. 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:23.720 You're right, I mean, right at the beginning of the 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:28.600 Albanesi period, they enjoyed portraying Dutton as being unelectable, but 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:31.280 they've had to pull back from that hearing it leads 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:33.480 of the disastrous loss in the Voice and the fact 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:36.360 that Dutton keeps scoring points. Yeah, and when he proposes 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:39.480 nuclear power, people keep saying, oh, that's interesting, that's worth 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:39.960 thinking about. 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:41.320 Talk about that some more. 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:43.120 Yeah, I think you are still in their heart of hearts. 0:15:43.160 --> 0:15:45.000 I just can't don't think they could possibly get the 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:47.520 head around a Christian Conservative being in that position. 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:49.480 But look, we will see. 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:51.880 Okay, well let's see what the Treasurer has to say. 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:54.840 Because Jim Chalmers is going to be front center trying 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:57.720 to sell the economic performance of the Albanesi government. 0:15:57.800 --> 0:15:59.040 That's not going to be easy. 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:01.760 So what is telling Australians is, in fact, we've never 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:04.520 had it so good as Australians. 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:07.080 It's gone. We've had a tough We're. 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:09.520 Really pleased the twenty twenty four is over, but that's 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:13.120 behind us now and good times are just around the corner, 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:14.000 are they ever? 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:14.240 One? 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:16.840 Oh, it's easy for people who have their salary paid 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:17.560 by the tax. 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:18.240 You know. 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:22.400 Of course politicians like this can make bold statements like 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:26.720 this because they are essentially no consequences, you know, to 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:30.560 losing this salary so to speak. You know, But I 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:33.240 think Australians are very much tired of lip service. I think, 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:36.200 you know, leading into the election and all of these 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:40.920 promises and everything, people just don't really care what politicians 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:43.120 have to say anymore. They all want to see tangible action. 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:45.560 People want to be able to pay for their electricity bill. 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:47.400 People want to be able to put food on the table. 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:49.440 People would like to you know, their kids to be 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:51.440 educated in school and not indoctrinated. 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:54.440 It's very simple. And so I think lip service. 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:56.680 Isn't going to do them any favors again. You know, 0:16:56.680 --> 0:17:00.680 they've got four years essentially of the same thing if 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:02.600 we vote for them again. And I'd think the last 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:05.399 four years have been incredibly difficult for most of Australians. 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:07.719 And I like to ask a question, if we can 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:10.680 have better days, and they can promise this better days, 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:13.760 then why haven't they already because they're in power now. 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:14.879 So what's different? 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:17.680 Well, it was overseas. I mean it was the Ukraine War. 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:19.399 It was things that were happening. 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:21.720 Ills for something that was overseas, it shouldn't have affected 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:22.760 our country the way. 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:22.879 That it did. 0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:25.600 Yeah, that didn't work for it, She soon out. It 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:28.560 didn't work for Joe bid Kamala Harris and Joe Biden. 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:31.320 Because voters don't have memories of goldfish. 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:34.840 They still remember the inflation that five seven, six, seven, 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:37.080 eight percent, and just because it may be going down 0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:39.000 a bit, they remember the hurt for me. 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:40.639 And I can't take credit for this. 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:42.320 I was speaking with Joe Hockey the other day and 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:46.760 he basically said, this election is two opposing trends hitting 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:51.080 each other's. On one side, Australians generally give first term 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:53.760 governments a second go. We haven't elected, we haven't booted 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:56.400