1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 1: Hey, thanks for this thing. Good afternoon or good morning 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:08,800 Speaker 1: or good evening wherever you are as recording this today, 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: either an election has already been called or is about 4 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 1: to be called. So what that means is media public 5 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 1: kind of discourse zone is about to be flooded once 6 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 1: again by whatever emotive shit each stakeholder is going to 7 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: throw at us in the hope that when we're standing 8 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: there on election day, holding our sausage in one hand, 9 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 1: just waiting in line, we will make an emotional choice, 10 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 1: usually based in fear, fear that I don't know, well, 11 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: if we vote for the other guys, well, they'll take 12 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: my job, they'll increase my power bill, they'll change the 13 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: gender of my children, and or they will ruin my weekend. Whatever. 14 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: Now I know all about that fear. It worked on 15 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: me the first time I voted. I believe what I 16 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: read and saw and heard. Thankfully though, I had some 17 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: very patient people my work who kind of talked me 18 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: through it. So I know all about that fear. These days, 19 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: I know that there is another way to look at things, 20 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: and I want to talk about a different way to 21 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: look at political messaging after this break. GOODA, thanks for 22 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: listening to the show, this is better than yesterday, making 23 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: it better every week since twenty thirteen. My name's Osha Ginsburg, 24 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: and I'm grateful you here because on this episode and 25 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,199 Speaker 1: every single episode, I should say something you hear today 26 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: will make it better than yesterday. That is the job 27 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: that we have here at the show. Thank you for 28 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: listening and thank you for supporting Story Club. It is 29 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 1: selling very well. Or April thirteenth is our next show 30 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: with Lindsay McDougal, Duncan Fellows, Anal's Constable, Alex Lee, Zoe 31 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: not In Lodge, and myself. We will sit on stage 32 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: and tell you true stories and it is hilariously fun. 33 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: Linka's in the show notes at the Factory Theater in Marrickfield. 34 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: There's also a substack if you can't make it to 35 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: the show. Earlier, I was talking about emotional political messaging 36 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: and that I have in the past. I have absolutely 37 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: been pushed around, been manipulated by emotional political messaging, fear 38 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: based political messaging. I get it. I understand why it 39 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: happened to me, because it comes at your hard and fast. 40 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: These days, they usually sound like they've been written by 41 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: a fourteen year old YouTube wrapper. It won't be easy 42 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 1: under ALBERANUZI. That was MC Liberal Party with the Doo 43 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: Nationals on the wheels of steel. Oh that was the 44 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: other one from twenty twenty two. No more mistakes, no 45 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: more excuses, no more Morrison. That was dropped from the 46 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: labor which is ninederground center left political collective who currently 47 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: have the microphone as not to mention the kind of 48 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: other shit we get when we get text messages from 49 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: you know, Clive Palmer or Craig Kelly or whoever, or 50 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: even texts for example on election day which happened and 51 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: the text read I had to go and find it 52 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: because I remember getting it breaking. Australian Border Force has 53 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: intercepted an illegal boat trying to reach Australia. Keep our 54 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: borders secure by voting Liberal to die now. Later on 55 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 1: it came to light that former Prime Minister Scott Morrison 56 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,679 Speaker 1: personally instructed the Australian Border Force who'd done the interception 57 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: to make public that interception of that boat before the 58 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: operation had been concluded. And it was at a time 59 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: known as the caretaker period of government, which is in Australia, 60 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: when you call the election, they suspend the government. So 61 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: no one's supposed to do anything. There's conventions that kind 62 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: of generally bind everybody be like, Okay, no big policy 63 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: announcements and no controversy, and nobody do anything wild because 64 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: we need to maintain neutrality. Well, that fucking did not happen. Now. 65 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: I got that text message while waiting in line at 66 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: the polling booth up on the Gold Coast. We're making 67 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: Bachelor up there, like many of you, my phone went 68 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: boom and it was incredibly emotional. I read it, and 69 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: that's an incredibly emotional message because depending on how you 70 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: look at it, that text either describes an Australia where 71 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: unsafe borders allow boat after boat of potentially terrible people 72 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 1: making their way to our country, bringing who knows what 73 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: kind of criminality, disease or ideology right to my neighborhood. 74 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: The's scary, or if you look at it another way, oh, 75 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: thank goodness, our border force are there to help those 76 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: poor people, who knows what kind of horror as they're 77 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: escaping where a trip on a leaky fishing boat is 78 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: less risky than staying where they are. I'm glad they're 79 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: safe now. I hope they feel welcome. I hope we 80 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 1: can support them in their new lives here, or if 81 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: you're me, you're even more confused. Because I believe that 82 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: it's vital that we as a country effectively control our borders, 83 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 1: and I believe that we as a country have a 84 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,359 Speaker 1: long history of being compassionate and having enough empathy to 85 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: make room for and help people who desperately need it. 86 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: Malcolm Fraser saved the lives of seventy thousand Vietnamese people 87 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 1: after the Vietnam or Bob Hawk helped forty two thousand 88 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 1: Chinese people here during Tininiman Square so they didn't have 89 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: to go home. It's unbelievable either way. It's a really 90 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: emotional thing, right this text message now, messaging like that 91 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 1: from a political party is there to hit those alarm 92 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: buttons for us, for the things that we value, either 93 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: you know, one way or the other, possibly hitting those 94 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: of lum buttons so hard that it temporarily disables our 95 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: ability to rationally think about what else might be happening 96 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: here and then leaving us vulnerable to making a decision 97 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: that's based on emotion rather than reason. So what can 98 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 1: you do about it? Well, one thing which helps, I 99 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: found is to put some distance between those emotional responses, 100 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: which often, well for me at least, they come faster 101 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 1: than I can do anything about them. So putting some 102 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 1: distance between that emotional response that happens in my body 103 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: and the choice I then go on to make. Part 104 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: of it is just breathing and just kind of writing 105 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: out the adrenaline. But what about giving ourselves more choices 106 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: as to what to do in that moment with that feeling. Well, 107 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: there's a few ways to go about it. They've been 108 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: around for a long, long, long, long long time, and 109 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: some you know, psychologists have different ways of doing it. 110 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: But to put it into some kind of more modern parlance, 111 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: you could do something which we can call the Strange 112 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: Planet trick. If you've never seen it, Strange Planet is 113 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: a car turn like a comic strip. Is now a 114 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 1: TV show written by Nathan Pyle, and the premise is 115 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: that it's a bunch of blue aliens experiencing situations you 116 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: and I experience, however, using very very complex nouns. For example, 117 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 1: there's a four panel comic depicting one parent coming home 118 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: with their kid holding up a piece of paper with 119 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: a crayon drawing on it after daycare or whatever, and 120 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: then the other parent is ah, wow and wants to 121 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: put it on the fridge. So the exchange goes like this. 122 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 1: One parent comes in and says, the offspring has applied 123 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:45,039 Speaker 1: wax to this. Is this a low detail rendering of us? 124 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:49,359 Speaker 1: And the kid says affirmative, we will adhere this to 125 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 1: the sustenance Preserver, a place of high honor due to 126 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: the machine's importance and frequency of use. The trick is 127 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: to do that, all right, is then you're just really 128 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: describing in really distant language what's going on. But then 129 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: with that distance, ask what is happening here? So how 130 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: could we strange planet something like that text message on 131 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: election day? You know, we get that text message going oh, urgent, 132 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: you know, breaking there's a boat coming in, instead of 133 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:25,559 Speaker 1: going who I could have gone huh. For the first time, 134 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: the incumbent political party is informing each citizen with a 135 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: phone about a highly emotive issue at a time when 136 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: each citizen must choose if that party will or will 137 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: not keep their proxy decision making power. Now, when we 138 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: do that, we get a bit of distance from it, 139 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: we get to ask ourselves, well, why what else is 140 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: going on here? What value might be behind this? A 141 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: little bit hard to look at that message and see 142 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: that message is actually about keeping our borders secure. So 143 00:07:58,200 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: there you are, it's an election day, and the line 144 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: is edging closer and closer to the school hall. You've 145 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: already eaten your you've already eaten your piece of bread 146 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: with the sausage in it. You've lost your kids in 147 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: the playground equipment, but you can't chase after them because 148 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: you're gonna lose your spot. And you're almost there, and 149 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: then you see there's someone else in front of you. 150 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: They're holding a pamphlet from someone you weren't even considering 151 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: voting for. But in bright yellow and bright black, you 152 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: see blackouts wreck our lives. We need affordable, reliable power, 153 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: make Australia great. Vote one uap boy? What do I 154 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: do with that? Ah? I don't like blackouts. I'll give 155 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: you an idea of what we can do with something 156 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: like that after the break. Thanks for listening to the show. 157 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: Talking about putting a bit of distance between really a 158 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: mode of political messaging and what do you do about that, 159 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: or if you do anything at all? The example I 160 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: gave was a text message that I didn't get. I 161 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: found this one online. I got one from somebody else, 162 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: but the message it read, blackouts wreck our lives. We 163 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: need affordable, reliable power, make Australia great. Vote one UAP 164 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:14,199 Speaker 1: a Clive Palmer Party. I read this, and even today 165 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: when I'm writing this, I'm like, well, hang on second, 166 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,559 Speaker 1: I don't like blackouts. I like reliable, affordable power. I 167 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: don't want my life wrecked, not at all. Now, if 168 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: you don't like a strange planet. Another way you could 169 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: do it is if you've been watching Severance, you could 170 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: ask yourself, what would mister Milchick say? If you haven't 171 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: seen Severance? He is a essentially he's the office manager. 172 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: In the first series he's two icee but in the 173 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,559 Speaker 1: second series Almon's spoil anything. But he speaks in this 174 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 1: remarkably florid, overly complicated version of English. It's an incredible character, 175 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: expertly delivered. So what would mister Miltchik say? How would 176 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: mister Milchick describe what that is? He would probably say 177 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: something in a turtleneck, by the way, in an excellent 178 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: turtle neck and blazer. He might say on the cusp 179 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: of electoral decision making. A magnate of the mining industry 180 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: whose fortune burgeons. With each cold seam unearthed disseminates a 181 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 1: proclamation concerning the virtues of energy provided by generators which 182 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 1: require his raw materials to function. He champions the resurgence 183 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 1: of our great nation. Now while I'm still very much 184 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: worried about a blackout ruining everything, because they kind of do. 185 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: And I still have that adrenaline shocking through my body, 186 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: my heart's beating thinking about expensive, unreliable power which apparently 187 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:35,599 Speaker 1: is going to happen if I don't vote. In the 188 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: other way, I can take a few breaths, try to 189 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:40,559 Speaker 1: give my brain a bit of space. Well, I look 190 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 1: at this in another day, in another way. From there, 191 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: for me at least, like the choice is a fairly 192 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 1: simple choice to make. But how else could you decide 193 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: what to do next? If you're still a bit stuck. 194 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,679 Speaker 1: One way is to do it by thinking about what 195 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: I don't know, somebody you know, well, what would they do? 196 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 1: What would somebody admire? What would my dad do, what 197 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: would my mate do? What would someone I really look 198 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: up to do? From here? And you could consider you 199 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:09,199 Speaker 1: can play each one of those scenarios in your head, 200 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: and you could consider any one of those actions as 201 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:16,319 Speaker 1: a possibility or a combination of them, or none of them. 202 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: As long as you've put a bit of space between 203 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: that initial shock, you're making a choice which is more 204 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: reflective of you. And ultimately, that's what this is all about. 205 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: If we're just getting bashed around like an emotional ping 206 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,839 Speaker 1: pong boar, it's real hard. But when we can make 207 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: a choice that resonates with us, and governments listen to 208 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 1: that choice and we can see our choice being put 209 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: into action, then we feel a whole lot better about government. 210 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: I hope this was somewhat helpful for you, And if 211 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: you haven't, I hope you enjoy strained planet and all severance. 212 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: They're both wonderful. Let me know. You can send me 213 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 1: an email, send not an email at gmail dot com, 214 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: or you can come and tell me what you thought 215 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: at Story Club April thirteenth, Factory in Merrickville. You can 216 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: get tickets in the show notes. Thanks to Adam for 217 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: producing this. Adam Buncher, the Great and Powerful Cossie Staunch. 218 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: He's got forearms and I'm like, what do you? My god, 219 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: how did you get four arms? At Big Adam? It's 220 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:19,839 Speaker 1: not from typing. You've been doing like there's barbels who 221 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:21,559 Speaker 1: quiver when you walk into the gym. That's what I 222 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:32,599 Speaker 1: think about. I'll see you Wednesday