Speaker 1: Good team.
Speaker 2: It's a very cheeky lineup I have today. It's The
Speaker 2: You Project. Craig, Anthony Heart reporting and for Judy, Tiffany
Speaker 2: and Cook. I just noticed has got the wrong trademark
Speaker 2: behind her. We might have to get rid of it.
Speaker 2: Oli Olaton is joining us. Also, tiff of you. I
Speaker 2: know you've had a busy day, but it's the first
Speaker 2: time on this show I'm chatting with you.
Speaker 1: How are you? I'm good, I'm good. It has been
Speaker 1: a chaotic little day, hasn't it.
Speaker 2: Well, it is a chaotic day because Easter is upon us,
Speaker 2: the bunny comes and I've got six podcasts today and
Speaker 2: I'm am not even saying this because of the man
Speaker 2: that's on, but I feel like this is going to
Speaker 2: be my favorite because I feel I've connected with a
Speaker 2: kindred spirit. But it's been a busy day all round.
Speaker 2: Olli Olerton, welcome to The You Project, my friend.
Speaker 1: Thank you man. It's a pleasure to be on here.
Speaker 3: We've already had a little warmer little chat, so I'm
Speaker 3: really ready for this podcast.
Speaker 1: Ready to go?
Speaker 2: And you started sharing the goal and I had to say,
Speaker 2: pick the brakes on the breaks on Champ, don't share
Speaker 2: that and stuff to.
Speaker 1: By the way, we're pretty sweary here.
Speaker 2: So feel free to open all leave the swearing door closed.
Speaker 1: It's up to you. Yeah, my mum does listen. They
Speaker 1: keep that in mind. Yeah, level three swearing level three.
Speaker 2: So I know the answer to this. But tell our
Speaker 2: listeners where we find you at today.
Speaker 3: I'm actually in the UK in a place called Shropshire,
Speaker 3: which is in the hills, the best place to be
Speaker 3: in the UK.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's early, early and early ish in the morning.
Speaker 1: What time do you get up normally five o'clock.
Speaker 2: Do you just roll around the backyard like a ninja
Speaker 2: doing weapons drills and kicking trees and shit pretty much.
Speaker 3: Pretty pretty much that kind of stuff. Obviously doing a
Speaker 3: perimeter patrol, make sure there's no enemy, that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just just standard stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Are you just like an urban ninja? Do you
Speaker 2: call yourself that? Do you just like like a cat?
Speaker 2: Like a cat with you now?
Speaker 1: Absolutely? Yeah, I find it hard to see myself sometimes
Speaker 1: you're so quick. They're actually very funny. That's good.
Speaker 2: Even if you can't fight, you'll disable me with bloody
Speaker 2: humor or disarmy. We were talking just before we came on,
Speaker 2: let's keep that going. You were talking about an interest
Speaker 2: you've got in neuroscience or neuroscy.
Speaker 1: Just continue that because I want to learn about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, it was something I did when I came back,
Speaker 3: when I was first starting to you know what, when
Speaker 3: I first started to realize that happiness and fulfillment was
Speaker 3: not an external fix, it was an internal an internal.
Speaker 1: It's internal.
Speaker 3: You've got to look internal to find the happiness, to
Speaker 3: find fulfillment, to understand.
Speaker 1: Who you are.
Speaker 3: I actually started getting interested in neuroscience. I actually did
Speaker 3: a it's called PRISM. It's like it's a character assessment
Speaker 3: tool and it's based on euroscience, a very individual to
Speaker 3: the person, and I actually went through that to I
Speaker 3: actually became a practitioner. I was so impressed with it
Speaker 3: because it you know, I did the test and afterwards
Speaker 3: it was like it came up with something that I
Speaker 3: have been I thought I never was, and it basically,
Speaker 3: you know, at the end of the test, I was like, no,
Speaker 3: that it's obviously broken, and they were like, nah, it's
Speaker 3: not only that is you. And it was like it
Speaker 3: said that, you know, for all my career, because I'm
Speaker 3: an ex special Forces soldier. I've always thought, well, you know,
Speaker 3: there's four different in this particular model. There's four different characteristics,
Speaker 3: and that is empathetic, that is analytical, that is driven.
Speaker 3: This is very generalistic view of it. And creative. Now,
Speaker 3: obviously coming from the Special Forces and asking anyone what
Speaker 3: they thought I would be, everyone would say, well, you're
Speaker 3: a red your you know, focused, direct, let's hit the target,
Speaker 3: don't need.
Speaker 1: Can I guess what you are?
Speaker 3: Go on?
Speaker 1: Creative?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly, creative, we believe it or not a
Speaker 3: bit of empathy thrown in there, Well.
Speaker 1: You're going to make a shit soldier then yeah, that's
Speaker 1: why I left. That's why you know what I do.
Speaker 3: And I'm probably the first soldier that I've heard, especially
Speaker 3: from the Special Forces, say this that I didn't fit
Speaker 3: in when I was there, you know, and I just
Speaker 3: couldn't understand that.
Speaker 1: I thought that was something that was that was wrong
Speaker 1: with me.
Speaker 3: It was just the fact that I didn't fit into
Speaker 3: that box, if you want to call it that.
Speaker 1: And it took me a long time to realize that.
Speaker 3: When I did that neuroscience a test that was that
Speaker 3: was only seven years ago, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So I've spent all my life trying to be someone
Speaker 3: I'm not and struggling against the grain. And it wasn't
Speaker 3: until I actually did that test I then understood the
Speaker 3: true character of who I was, beyond the facade of
Speaker 3: who we pretend to be for everyone else's for everyone
Speaker 3: else's happiness.
Speaker 1: And that was such a powerful thing.
Speaker 3: It was so powerful to actually understanding who I was,
Speaker 3: what my strengths were, why I struggled with certain things,
Speaker 3: and that's because my character wasn't really tuned for those
Speaker 3: certain things. So, you know, especially when it came to
Speaker 3: starting my own business, because I'm the I am. When
Speaker 3: I look back, I'm like, I've come up with so
Speaker 3: many business ideas. It's not funny. I've had more failed
Speaker 3: businesses than I've had, you know, ones that have succeeded.
Speaker 3: But when sas who does When's the program came onto
Speaker 3: the UK the UK screens. When I first got that opportunity,
Speaker 3: I knew I had a window of opportunity, or thought
Speaker 3: I did at that time. I thought I had a
Speaker 3: small window of opportunity. So I thought, this is where
Speaker 3: I launched my business from. You know, this is going
Speaker 3: to give me the exposure and I had to then
Speaker 3: push myself into being analytical, into.
Speaker 1: Being driven all the things that didn't come naturally.
Speaker 3: And that really, for me typifies the ethos of everything
Speaker 3: I do, which is my company called Breakpoint. And that
Speaker 3: is the short term step into discomfort for long term gain.
Speaker 3: And that really is you know, sometimes when you want
Speaker 3: to achieve anything in life, well, I'd say all the time,
Speaker 3: when you want to achieve anything decent in life, you
Speaker 3: are going to come up against resistance. You're going to
Speaker 3: have to push against the grain, and you've got to
Speaker 3: learn to understand that you have to embrace that and
Speaker 3: not not be pushed back into your comfort zone and
Speaker 3: that repeat habit loop of nothing.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, and the irony is ali that so many people
Speaker 2: like the thing which actually empowers you and give helps
Speaker 2: you develop strength and insight and awareness and resilience. Is
Speaker 2: pain is discomfort, is unfamiliarity, is uncertainty? Is they not
Speaker 2: knowing all of those uns And they're the things that
Speaker 2: we avoid, but they're ironically the things that make us
Speaker 2: better if we approach them the right way.
Speaker 3: And that is you know, it's like I'm I'm very
Speaker 3: big on everyone should have goal, we al, should we're
Speaker 3: all driven by goals, whether people liked to liked, whether
Speaker 3: they believe it or not, we're all driven by goals.
Speaker 3: Our subconscious mind is a goals driving, goal getting machine
Speaker 3: that stops it nothing until it gets what your dominant
Speaker 3: thoughts focus on. So, whether you think you know, that's
Speaker 3: why the language of the mind is so important in
Speaker 3: a very sort of toxic and negative world. It's easy
Speaker 3: for people to then end up in a place that's
Speaker 3: not a very happy place, and that is because they
Speaker 3: don't have to take any directive action on their thoughts
Speaker 3: and their goals. But really, it's not about the goal.
Speaker 3: It's not what you get who you become in the process.
Speaker 1: You know, how did the dude who's sorry man?
Speaker 2: How did the guy who's high and empathy and creativity
Speaker 2: get through the most grueling fucking selection process and being
Speaker 2: one of one of five out of two hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty candidates that started.
Speaker 1: How did that guy?
Speaker 2: Because clearly you also had a work ethic and mental
Speaker 2: toughness and aptitude and skill and resilience as well. But
Speaker 2: I'm thinking empathy isn't held in super high regard when
Speaker 2: you're being trying to kill people.
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I'll answer the first question, and
Speaker 3: that is that's a really good question because when I
Speaker 3: look back now, I realized that I was driven by ego.
Speaker 3: Ego was in the driving seat, and I would not
Speaker 3: would not allow that. I would not allow that selection
Speaker 3: process to beat me because I was so shit scared
Speaker 3: of looking like a failure.
Speaker 1: And that was that was all ego. It wasn't you know.
Speaker 3: When I look back now, it's like I now understand
Speaker 3: I didn't even understand the word purpose, what that meant.
Speaker 3: You know, when I'm eighteen and joined up, I didn't
Speaker 3: realize what that meant.
Speaker 1: Purpose, but it was. It was, so it's so.
Speaker 3: Apparent now when I'm looking back hindsight, it's a wonderful thing.
Speaker 1: But it never won any wars.
Speaker 3: But looking back, but looking back, it wasn't my purpose,
Speaker 3: you know, it wasn't my true purpose to be in
Speaker 3: the military. And that's why I went from the Rawal
Speaker 3: Marines initially and thought, na, this isn't what I expected.
Speaker 3: And that's why I then went onto the Special Forces
Speaker 3: because I was always looking for this utopia that I
Speaker 3: expected to find, and when I got into the Special Forces,
Speaker 3: that wasn't there either. And like I say, looking back now,
Speaker 3: I understand that it wasn't my true purpose being in
Speaker 3: the military. You know, we're we're born into this world
Speaker 3: as amazing creative human beings. You know, we have all
Speaker 3: this creativity and everything else. Then we get put into
Speaker 3: the programming center, which I call school, and then all
Speaker 3: that kind of creativity and everything is drained out of is.
Speaker 3: You know, we're being prepared for the system. We're being
Speaker 3: prepared to fit into society. We then come out, we
Speaker 3: get spat out at the back end, and we're expected
Speaker 3: to fit into a box, into a label, and you know,
Speaker 3: we you know a lot of people think that they're
Speaker 3: broken that you know, there's something wrong with them. It's
Speaker 3: the system. I really see, it's the system that's broken.
Speaker 3: We're trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.
Speaker 3: And that really was it for me. I thought the
Speaker 3: box with the label on for me was military. I
Speaker 3: got into that, and then you know this, you know,
Speaker 3: not feeling settled, not feeling at home, not feeling you know,
Speaker 3: I did expect when I did the Special Forces selection
Speaker 3: that that would be the job that I'd be in forever,
Speaker 3: that you know, it would be the be all and
Speaker 3: end all of you know, I'd be there forever. They'd
Speaker 3: have to drag me out to leave, and it wasn't
Speaker 3: the case. And really it was you know, got me
Speaker 3: through a selection. It was it was that that pure
Speaker 3: one ego was driving me for that. And you know,
Speaker 3: that's that's a really important point now, because ego can
Speaker 3: really sort of ego can allow you to be the
Speaker 3: byproduct of who you really are, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: If you can't control your ego, you end up doing
Speaker 3: stuff where you're really just trying to you know. For
Speaker 3: me being a Special Forces soldier, being in the military,
Speaker 3: it looked great from the outside world looking in, but
Speaker 3: it didn't look great from the inside looking out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that I talked about that a lot.
Speaker 2: I set up the first personal training centers in Australia Olie.
Speaker 2: I was the first trainer in I think anyway. In
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty six. I started personal training and working with clients.
Speaker 2: Opened the first facility thirty two years ago. There weren't
Speaker 2: any and by the time I was thirty, I was
Speaker 2: quite in inverted commas in a typical sense successful. I
Speaker 2: had five businesses, had over one hundred staff, and I'd
Speaker 2: become you know, on a modest level.
Speaker 1: Successful.
Speaker 2: You know, all my businesses were making dough and I
Speaker 2: was writing for the Herald Sun, which is the paper
Speaker 2: in Melbourne where we are, and things were going good.
Speaker 2: But in the middle of all of that, I felt
Speaker 2: kind of disconnected. And I mean I wasn't depressed, but
Speaker 2: I didn't, like, I wasn't having the experience, the euphoric
Speaker 2: experience of success, Like my default setting was more just busyness, distraction,
Speaker 2: trying to solve problems, you know, a little bit of anxiety,
Speaker 2: a little bit of self doubt, a little bit of fear,
Speaker 2: like all of these like how come I'm doing so
Speaker 2: great but I feel so shit? And I think also
Speaker 2: for me, I.
Speaker 1: Could do it.
Speaker 2: I mean, I could be an entrepreneur, I could build
Speaker 2: businesses and lead people in that way.
Speaker 1: But it didn't. And it was all right, it wasn't terrible,
Speaker 1: but it just wasn't my natural habitat you know, it
Speaker 1: wasn't it wasn't really my thing. Took me to about
Speaker 1: mid thirties to figure that out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that Listen, the majority of people
Speaker 3: are doing exactly that, aren't they. You know, at the
Speaker 3: end of the day, you know, satisfaction, like people are
Speaker 3: programmed to believe that satisfaction is ensuring that just the
Speaker 3: money's going into account and you can pay your bills.
Speaker 1: And there's so much more to life than that.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: When I left the military, I mean, listen, you don't
Speaker 3: get paid much when I actually I don't tell many people,
Speaker 3: but when you do get paid, when you get paid
Speaker 3: in the Special Forces, you don't get paid much. So
Speaker 3: when I came out, you know, all through my career,
Speaker 3: I mean I was just fighting to pay the bills
Speaker 3: all the time. And then then when I came out,
Speaker 3: all of my mindset was money.
Speaker 1: I need money.
Speaker 3: I didn't really care what I did, but I was
Speaker 3: chasing the dollar. Then, you know, I said, another go
Speaker 3: back to a war zone. I ended up leaving the
Speaker 3: military trying to stop my own business, this, that and
Speaker 3: the other. Then the war in Iraq sort of well
Speaker 3: it ended when it really started in two thousand and three,
Speaker 3: and a load of us went out there. We were
Speaker 3: earning a fortune, an absolute fortune, and I still wasn't happy.
Speaker 3: I still wasn't happy, you know, I was the money
Speaker 3: was in the driving seat. And now call that fool's gold,
Speaker 3: because I'd never go back to a war zone and
Speaker 3: work in those conditions and the kind of torture my
Speaker 3: mental health went through. My mental yeah, my mental health
Speaker 3: went through was ridiculous. But you know it was only
Speaker 3: when I was about the other side of that and
Speaker 3: I went you know, I ended up out in Thailand.
Speaker 3: I was actually living in Australia, I believe it or not. Wow,
Speaker 3: I was living in Brisbane.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I lived there for ten years and I was
Speaker 3: commuting all over the world and doing stuff. But I
Speaker 3: actually stumbled across something that was absolutely phenomenal and it
Speaker 3: changed my life. And that was rescuing kids from child
Speaker 3: prostitution and slavery out in Thailand and doing that.
Speaker 1: I had no idea.
Speaker 3: I mean, it was obviously rewarding and humbling to be
Speaker 3: doing something like that, but I had no idea the
Speaker 3: gift that that was going to give me, and that
Speaker 3: was the power of helping people, especially when they're less fortunate.
Speaker 3: I wasn't being paid for it. I was funding the
Speaker 3: whole thing.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: And you know, although I wasn't getting any money, it
Speaker 3: was the best return on investment I have ever had.
Speaker 3: And that is something that we're losing the ability to
Speaker 3: do nowadays is all we're losing the ability to see
Speaker 3: the power of helping other people. We're looking at competition
Speaker 3: over collaboration. So really, for me, when I went out
Speaker 3: there and it came crashing down because of a political
Speaker 3: situation and I ended up back in Australia licking my wounds, but.
Speaker 1: What I took from that was the.
Speaker 3: Heartbeat of where I am today, and that is understanding
Speaker 3: that my true purpose was helping other people, you know,
Speaker 3: and that's I'd learned that through that experience in Thailand,
Speaker 3: and that would then become the heartbeating DNA of what
Speaker 3: I've got today, which is my company breakpoint. You know,
Speaker 3: I understood then I stumbled over that. You know, I
Speaker 3: was drawn to it because I wanted to help these kids.
Speaker 3: But what that gave me is the ability to see
Speaker 3: the power of helping other people. And you know, I
Speaker 3: think really that's an innate thing within within every person
Speaker 3: that is innate if we can start to understand that
Speaker 3: what we do on a daily basis in the service
Speaker 3: of others. People are walking around doing their jobs on
Speaker 3: a daily basis, thinking to themselves, well, I'm doing this
Speaker 3: to pay the bills. I've got to do this, I'm
Speaker 3: caught in this trap. When if they just reframed it
Speaker 3: and started to understand how their job helps other people
Speaker 3: and that should then be the driving force of what
Speaker 3: they do. That should be their you know, their mantary
Speaker 3: if you, if you want to call it that, that
Speaker 3: for me changed everything because I stopped then chasing the dollar,
Speaker 3: I started chasing the passion for what I did. You
Speaker 3: know that my mission is to create a globally identified
Speaker 3: brand recognized for the positive growth and development of others.
Speaker 3: That for me, is more value than any money ever.
Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, yeah, sorry, go on, I'm sorry. Sorry.
Speaker 3: And once you take the money out of the way
Speaker 3: and that becomes your driving force, the money is a
Speaker 3: buy product, you know, your your world absolutely changes.
Speaker 2: I fuck hats off to you, man. That is unbelievable.
Speaker 2: That is inspirational. I did not know you were gonna
Speaker 2: I've got so many questions, but firstly, thank you for
Speaker 2: doing that.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I mean, that is just amazing.
Speaker 2: That you that you did that, that you that you
Speaker 2: think the way that you do. But I mean I
Speaker 2: was a little bit like you in that we well
Speaker 2: definitely not in the heroic sense, but in the money sense. Like,
Speaker 2: but you think about the culture that you grew up in,
Speaker 2: and I grew up in, and IF grew up in
Speaker 2: most of our listeners, which is essentially that success is
Speaker 2: about things. Success is about what you can see and
Speaker 2: what you have and what you earn and what people
Speaker 2: think are you and what you drive and where you live,
Speaker 2: like that is success in our culture. Success like the
Speaker 2: person who's driving a ship box, living in a one
Speaker 2: bedroom apartment, who's helping lots of people and as mentally
Speaker 2: and emotionally in a great place. People don't consider them
Speaker 2: successful by and large. They consider them someone to be
Speaker 2: pitied because they live in a crappy house and driver
Speaker 2: ship box and don't make much money.
Speaker 1: But it's funny because I think this.
Speaker 2: I don't know whether it comes with years or having
Speaker 2: a light bulb moment or an experience or a spiritual
Speaker 2: awakening or revelation or I don't know, or it's just
Speaker 2: a download, some kind of cosmic download. But I think
Speaker 2: a lot of people get to that point where they go, ah, okay,
Speaker 2: so this is actually not it. This is not it,
Speaker 2: you know, because I've got lots of stuff now and
Speaker 2: it's okay. So I've had the fifty inch, sixty inch,
Speaker 2: seventy inch, eighty inch telly and the ninety inch Well,
Speaker 2: maybe it's not about the telly size. In fact, maybe
Speaker 2: it's not about anything external. And even when it comes
Speaker 2: to money, I think money is not an issue, but
Speaker 2: it's about I think it's about the nature of our
Speaker 2: relationship with money, like what money means to us. I
Speaker 2: think if money is your reason, then you're in trouble
Speaker 2: depending on what you But if money is just a resource,
Speaker 2: like for you to do the work that you want
Speaker 2: to do and help people and support people and empower others,
Speaker 2: takes money, right, But it's it's just how you're It's
Speaker 2: not like that's your personal driving force. Your personal driving
Speaker 2: force is to help and empower and support others, and
Speaker 2: money is one of the ways, in one of the
Speaker 2: resources that can materialize no pun intended.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, one hundred.
Speaker 3: You know what the majority of people just you know,
Speaker 3: the whole goal in life is to have the you know,
Speaker 3: the nice house and you know, and then when people
Speaker 3: live on an estate, well I'm talking a lot about
Speaker 3: the UK, but you know, when people live on an estate,
Speaker 3: when the houses are all the same, then their aim
Speaker 3: is to have a better car than the neighbor, you know,
Speaker 3: and that's their drive. It fits straight into that same thing,
Speaker 3: you know, it's the perception. You know, that everyone's creating
Speaker 3: the perception of who they want to be from the
Speaker 3: outside looking in, and that the problem really stems from
Speaker 3: the fact that we are all you know, it's the
Speaker 3: way we are. We're driven by image, aren't we. We're
Speaker 3: all driven by image. And that for me is like
Speaker 3: such an important part because when I go back to
Speaker 3: my military days again, I was driven by the image
Speaker 3: of who I was going to be, you know, and
Speaker 3: we are so drawn by image and not by feeling,
Speaker 3: and we should really start to understand that. Yeah, you're
Speaker 3: drawn initially by the image, but you then have to
Speaker 3: and get you know, what does it feel like?
Speaker 1: How does it feel?
Speaker 3: And that's the important part because people are so you know,
Speaker 3: people are compromising their health, their mental health, their physical health,
Speaker 3: just to create the perception of this person that's doing well,
Speaker 3: like you say, with all the materialistic things. And then
Speaker 3: they are becoming the byproduct. And that is you know,
Speaker 3: for me, when I had when money was in front
Speaker 3: of me and I was forever chasing it, I was
Speaker 3: the by product I was the bitch. I was money's bitch.
Speaker 3: And it's the same with everything, mate. It's you know,
Speaker 3: it's when you've got a relationship that's doing the same thing,
Speaker 3: when you've got a job that's doing the same thing,
Speaker 3: when you've got an addition that's doing the same thing.
Speaker 3: When you've got and that can be alcohol, drugs, whatever
Speaker 3: it is, whatever is in the If something's in front
Speaker 3: of you and you're forever chasing it, you are the bitch.
Speaker 1: You are. You are subservient to whatever that is.
Speaker 3: And that was for me with alcohol, with with money, relationships,
Speaker 3: the whole lot. And it wasn't until I managed to,
Speaker 3: you know, I stopped drinking, and that for me was
Speaker 3: the biggest win of my life. And it's not just
Speaker 3: about because I stopped drinking and the benefits of me
Speaker 3: not drinking, you know, that was incredible for me. But
Speaker 3: I won such a major the biggest battle of my life.
Speaker 3: I'm putting myself in charge, in control and beating that.
Speaker 3: I now know that I can beat anything I can control.
Speaker 3: I'm the one that's in control of everything, and we
Speaker 3: have to be in control, otherwise we are subservient to
Speaker 3: whatever we're chasing.
Speaker 1: Otherwise.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if we don't write the story, when'll be written
Speaker 2: for us and we'll just be a character in that story.
Speaker 2: How old are you, mate, if you don't mind me
Speaker 2: asking you, I'm fifty one. He looks fucking amazing. He
Speaker 2: looks so healthy, doesn't he look healthy?
Speaker 1: Tip? Thank you? Very annoying.
Speaker 2: And he's got his hair is almost all black, which
Speaker 2: is fucking annoying as well.
Speaker 1: I know there's no dyeing there, there's no dye.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what you need more stress in your life, bro,
Speaker 2: Stop stop being so relaxed. Why did the empathetic, creative,
Speaker 2: easy going. Maybe I'm not sure that you were, but
Speaker 2: seventeen eighteen year old want to become a commando? What
Speaker 2: compelled you? With all of the options as you're going
Speaker 2: through school, what was the influence that led you there?
Speaker 3: Well, mate, I don't know if you know the story
Speaker 3: about and I tell you anyway, but I blamed the
Speaker 3: chimp was ten years old, ten years old, and I
Speaker 3: found myself at the circus as they were setting up,
Speaker 3: and I ended up getting into a fight with a
Speaker 3: fully grown chimp that nearly killed me.
Speaker 2: It sounds like it, This sounds like a setup but
Speaker 2: it's not, is it.
Speaker 1: It's not It's not me. You know.
Speaker 3: I've told this story before and the people laugh at
Speaker 3: the end of it and go, are you serious? And
Speaker 3: I'm like, I went to the circus ten years old,
Speaker 3: and we're looking around and I ended up going out
Speaker 3: the other side of the big top where they were
Speaker 3: setting up and baby chimp powder back there, and I
Speaker 3: was drawn to it, you know, And seeing this little
Speaker 3: chimp was like Hollywood to me, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 1: It was amazing.
Speaker 3: It was like it was like some woman seeing George
Speaker 3: Clooney naked on this open expanse if is that a
Speaker 3: good Is George Clooney a good one?
Speaker 1: Or now of it? Patrick? Maybe Chris EM's worse. That's
Speaker 1: just me. Well, yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2: Fucking steady on you too, how you too, get a room,
Speaker 2: take a breather, let's get through the podcast.
Speaker 3: So I was drawn to this this little animal. It
Speaker 3: started to then pass me food from the floors. Then
Speaker 3: sort of I wasn't going to eat it. It's disgusting,
Speaker 3: So I was like pretending to go through the motions.
Speaker 3: I wasn't going to break that moment. It was unbelievable.
Speaker 3: It was timeless. So I was like this baby David Attenborough.
Speaker 3: And then you know, the serenity, serenity of that moment
Speaker 3: was broken like a fighter jet cutting through the sky
Speaker 3: as I heard this roar that are still here to
Speaker 3: this day and that was mommy or daddy that was
Speaker 3: was not very happy. And then it's it came to
Speaker 3: me at mac ten and from the shadows behind, this
Speaker 3: fully grown chimp came at me at mac ten. It's
Speaker 3: about fifty kilograms listen. I didn't get a chance to
Speaker 3: weigh it, but it was fucking big and there are
Speaker 3: about nine times as strong as humans or something. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they have ripped people to bits. And this thing pounced
Speaker 3: through the air, him to the floor and it was
Speaker 3: going at me like a drummer in a rock. Blood
Speaker 3: was flying everywhere. It started to bite me, rip chunks
Speaker 3: out of me. And this for me, and this is
Speaker 3: one of my company is called breakpoint because this was
Speaker 3: my first breakpoint. And that was in that moment where
Speaker 3: I knew I was going to die. My life lashed
Speaker 3: in front of me. It didn't take long.
Speaker 1: I was ten in that moment.
Speaker 3: I reacted, managed to dislodge the chimp, managed to get
Speaker 3: my leg up, smashed out as hard as I could
Speaker 3: into the chimp's chest, knocked it to the floor, scurried
Speaker 3: away backwards, and then it got to its feet and
Speaker 3: came at me for its final attack. It was probably
Speaker 3: an inch away when the chain caught it around the
Speaker 3: neck and I stood up. I was absolutely dripping in blood.
Speaker 3: And that was my break point, because that typifies what
Speaker 3: the ethos is all about. It's that short term discomfort
Speaker 3: for long term gain. Short term discomfort for me was
Speaker 3: fighting the grown chimp that day. Long term gain for
Speaker 3: me was living. That was my first break point. It
Speaker 3: wouldn't be my last, but now that's the name of
Speaker 3: my company and my first book.
Speaker 1: Wow, good for you do.
Speaker 3: But anyway, the answer to your question, Craig is the
Speaker 3: fact that that then set me off on a path
Speaker 3: of absolute mayhem. As a kid, I had no consequence,
Speaker 3: I had no fear. I was pushing the envelope. I
Speaker 3: got in trouble with the police, nearly got a custodial
Speaker 3: sentence as a kid, and then at fourteen thirteen fourteen,
Speaker 3: my mum really started to focus on me directing my
Speaker 3: energy in a positive way. And at fourteen I can
Speaker 3: Remember I was just absolutely in love with the military,
Speaker 3: and I remember at fourteen I made that decision where
Speaker 3: looking back now, I think, God, my son was nineteen,
Speaker 3: he still didn't know what he was doing. You know,
Speaker 3: fourteen it was quite an assertive decision. I'm joining the
Speaker 3: Rawal Marines.
Speaker 1: That's it. I've had enough.
Speaker 3: I don't want anything to do with the school anymore.
Speaker 3: I've got no interest. And that was it. You know,
Speaker 3: that was why that dream from fourteen that then came
Speaker 3: to fruition. You can imagine how disappointing that was for
Speaker 3: me when I joined and it wasn't what it was meant. Well,
Speaker 3: I think I'd spent so long creating the dream of
Speaker 3: what it was going to be that I built it
Speaker 3: so big it fell down as soon as I drin
Speaker 3: I joined, really, but that's really that was the driving
Speaker 3: force for me joining, you know, is that it was
Speaker 3: the only place that I wanted to be at war
Speaker 3: every day. It is an unhealthy character trait, but I
Speaker 3: wanted to be at war every day. I wanted to
Speaker 3: be knocking on death door. And you know, I actually,
Speaker 3: when I look at my career, the safest part of
Speaker 3: my career, my life was actually in the Special Forces
Speaker 3: because I had this structure around me, I had people
Speaker 3: around me to keep me confined. My life was absolute
Speaker 3: mayhem either side of that up until you know, the
Speaker 3: age of forty forty three, when I actually start to
Speaker 3: sort myself out and start to look in turn for
Speaker 3: that internal fix out a breakdown, and you know, but
Speaker 3: that was it, you know, it pushed me to the military.
Speaker 3: I came out the other end of that, and then
Speaker 3: it went back, absolutely even worse into that mayhem. I
Speaker 3: was bouncing all over the world, going to war zones,
Speaker 3: thinking that was again this external fix that was going
Speaker 3: to make me happy, and it wasn't.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: It's only when I, you know, I had this breakdown,
Speaker 3: I started to think about suicide and a break I've
Speaker 3: been analyzing what happens when someone has this breakdown. You know,
Speaker 3: everyone said it's like the phoenix from the fire and
Speaker 3: all this and what actually happens, and I really think
Speaker 3: there's a lot of merit in this. My thoughts about
Speaker 3: this is when you are actually broken and you've got
Speaker 3: to your lowest are, but it's the first time you
Speaker 3: start to look in. Up until that point, everything's external, external, external, external,
Speaker 3: and when you actually have this break. For me, certainly,
Speaker 3: when I had that breakdown, when I came crashing down,
Speaker 3: I had nowhere else to look but inside. And it
Speaker 3: was that looking inside that made me start to realize
Speaker 3: that everything I was looking for was there, it wasn't outside,
Speaker 3: and that's what I needed to change.
Speaker 2: Some people would call that a spiritual awakening, but or not,
Speaker 2: or just a recognition like yeah, because it's I think
Speaker 2: we try and resolve internal stuff, emotional, psychological whatever, sociological
Speaker 2: relationship stuff, fear stuff, anxiety stuff, overthinking, self doubt, self loathing,
Speaker 2: all that bullshit, all that very common stuff. I think
Speaker 2: we try and resolve it with external solutions and we go,
Speaker 2: well if I can, just I did that, mate, because
Speaker 2: I was an insecure I was a fat kid. When
Speaker 2: I was a kid, I was a fatest kid in
Speaker 2: my school and all that stuff. And then I got
Speaker 2: in shape and then all I wanted to do was
Speaker 2: have this awesome body and look look freaky.
Speaker 1: So you know, because I got my.
Speaker 2: Sense of self and self worth and self esteem from
Speaker 2: my body, and so you know, and that again that's
Speaker 2: just a shell. That's just an external thing that people
Speaker 2: we'll see because I never felt good enough. So I thought, well,
Speaker 2: if I have a ridiculous body, then that will that
Speaker 2: will kind of distract people from the ship that is me.
Speaker 1: You know, one totally relate to that.
Speaker 3: I did exactly the same thing when I came back,
Speaker 3: when I first sort of sorted myself out.
Speaker 1: And you know, that was that was the main thing
Speaker 1: for me.
Speaker 3: I was like, I was wanting to be this, you know,
Speaker 3: it was all about the body, the image, you know,
Speaker 3: and zero percent of fat and all that, and wanted
Speaker 3: to be ripped as anything.
Speaker 1: And it was I was, you know, you people think,
Speaker 1: oh god, look at that guy.
Speaker 3: It looks great, but by insecurity, you know, being you know,
Speaker 3: I wanted to have that sort of and it was
Speaker 3: my ego that was really desperate, desperate to have that
Speaker 3: attention from everyone else, saying all, look how fit you are.
Speaker 3: But when I look back, you know, I think how
Speaker 3: unstable I was still at that stage.
Speaker 1: It's funny, though, isn't it.
Speaker 2: How Like I'm fifty eight and I know you think
Speaker 2: and fuck, you look incredible.
Speaker 1: I'm fifty.
Speaker 2: Idea, you're great. You look great, mate, I'm fucking with you.
Speaker 2: I look one hundred percent. I look fifty eight everyone,
Speaker 2: but I am. But I think when people think like you,
Speaker 2: okay X, you know, Royal Marine, SASSBS, Commando blah blah,
Speaker 2: Special Forces, fucking weapon, you know, and it's so nice
Speaker 2: to hear you go, I was pretty fucked up. I
Speaker 2: was fucked up, issues, self esteem, ego, suicidal ideology, ideation.
Speaker 2: I should say, not that we want you to have
Speaker 2: any of that, but it's just true. And for you
Speaker 2: to be brave enough, I mean, for me, you talking
Speaker 2: about this shit that is courage and bravery and not
Speaker 2: that what you did before is not. But this is
Speaker 2: a whole different level because when you the guy on
Speaker 2: the telly, the guy that's the war hero, the guy
Speaker 2: that's done all these things that most of us would
Speaker 2: never even fucking think of doing, and then here you
Speaker 2: are talking to a couple of people about your fallibility,
Speaker 2: your flaws, your issues, your bullshit, your peaks and troughs.
Speaker 1: This is I mean, this is the stuff that people
Speaker 1: need to hear.
Speaker 2: I believe, not some rah rah motivational, fucking short term whatever,
Speaker 2: because people see themselves in you. People hear themselves in
Speaker 2: your story. And you know, like even the fact that
Speaker 2: Tiff and I did a podcast earlier today and we
Speaker 2: were talking about, you know, being in the wrong job,
Speaker 2: and then you get on and talk about I could
Speaker 2: do it, but it was kind of the wrong job,
Speaker 2: you know, and just being brave enough and honest enough,
Speaker 2: because that must have even been And it's not that you,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm sure that you still are happy
Speaker 2: with what you did, and I'm sure you don't regret it.
Speaker 1: But there will be a lot of people who, you.
Speaker 2: Know, their military career and the stuff that you've done
Speaker 2: that would almost be their identity until the day they die,
Speaker 2: like that's where they get their sense of self and
Speaker 2: self worth and self esteem. But when you realize that
Speaker 2: what I do is not who I am, like what
Speaker 2: I do, like my job is my job, it's not
Speaker 2: my identity. And I think one of the challenges for
Speaker 2: us is because we don't really know who the fuck
Speaker 2: we are. And we think we're our body, and we
Speaker 2: think we're our achievements, and we think we're our brand,
Speaker 2: or we think we are the bloke on Telly, or
Speaker 2: we think we are the podcast or the corporate speaker
Speaker 2: or the whatever the fuck. But it's only when we
Speaker 2: open the door on that self kind of searching that
Speaker 2: self awareness that who am I beyond my staff? Who
Speaker 2: am I beyond what people think of me? And who
Speaker 2: am I beyond what I have thought of me? Like
Speaker 2: I think that's when the good stuff starts to open up.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: One, but you know, and I keep going back to
Speaker 3: the majority of people, a lot of people, and they
Speaker 3: wonder why they're frustrated in life and depressed and you
Speaker 3: know they have no sense of direction and purpose and
Speaker 3: everything else is because they don't allow that realization to happen.
Speaker 3: You know, it's such a powerful thing when that does happen,
Speaker 3: And certainly for me, you know, looking back now, if
Speaker 3: you know, if I don't know where I've been, i'd
Speaker 3: be if for me I didn't have that breakdown, I
Speaker 3: didn't start to look.
Speaker 1: Within, you know.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's just like you know, and that's that's
Speaker 3: really for me.
Speaker 1: It's like everything in my book's Craig.
Speaker 3: You know, every book I've done, whether you know I've
Speaker 3: done too self development and to fiction at the moment,
Speaker 3: but each one of those books is I'm a flawed character,
Speaker 3: and it's so important that I you know, there's a
Speaker 3: lot of people out there faking perfection. You've only got
Speaker 3: a look at ego gram. You know, I mean everyone
Speaker 3: on there is everyone on there is faking perfection. No
Speaker 3: one is prepared to actually deal with their weaknesses as
Speaker 3: well as their strength. And if you don't, it's the
Speaker 3: ying and the gang you've got to deal. If you
Speaker 3: don't expose your weaknesses, how can you deal with them?
Speaker 1: They're just hidden it.
Speaker 3: It's like it's like the thief that doesn't expose, they're
Speaker 3: always going to be stealing from you.
Speaker 2: You can't get better at the thing you want to do.
Speaker 2: You can't get better at the thing you want college
Speaker 2: one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So you've really got to identify with your strengths
Speaker 3: and witnesses and work with those you know to understand
Speaker 3: who you are and what you need to fix.
Speaker 1: One of the problems I reckon.
Speaker 2: Is or one of the challenges is so when you
Speaker 2: talk about egogram, for example, Instagram, the truth is that
Speaker 2: that some some people can get on there. I'm I'm
Speaker 2: not saying people shouldn't do this, don't send me an email.
Speaker 1: But.
Speaker 2: And basically get rewarded, get their ego stroked, and also
Speaker 2: financially rewarded for putting up photos of themselves and then
Speaker 2: then I think that's that's when the identity thing becomes.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they shouldn't do that.
Speaker 2: I just think there's a way that I don't know
Speaker 2: the answer to this, but you know, someone's making twenty
Speaker 2: grand putting pictures of themselves on Instagram. Who the fuck
Speaker 2: am I to say don't do that? But then or more,
Speaker 2: I mean, some people may one hundred grand, some people
Speaker 2: make millions a year.
Speaker 1: But then on top of that, you go, at what
Speaker 1: cost does that come? Like?
Speaker 2: How do how do I separate between me doing this
Speaker 2: thing where people are essentially they don't know me, they're
Speaker 2: just looking at my body versus who I am beyond that?
Speaker 2: And how do I stay spiritually, mentally and emotionally well
Speaker 2: when I get my sense of self worth and self
Speaker 2: esteem from what strangers think of my body.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll tell you what it's like.
Speaker 3: I have spent a lot of time thinking about this,
Speaker 3: and it was actually when I went across to South
Speaker 3: and this is where I actually dealt with a lot
Speaker 3: of my stuff, especially I dealt with the trauma when
Speaker 3: I was ten years old, when I went to Costa
Speaker 3: Rica and I did an ayahuasca ceremony over there, which
Speaker 3: was absolutely unbelievable, a real deep dive and really start
Speaker 3: to unravel that trauma. But another thing that happened to
Speaker 3: me when I was doing that ceremony, I started to
Speaker 3: really have this observation about how much each every I mean,
Speaker 3: for the person that's making all that money, as long
Speaker 3: as they can look at that and think, well, that
Speaker 3: is they've got to underhit that's their purpose for doing it.
Speaker 3: They've got a why for doing it. And once you
Speaker 3: once you know the why, the how, it becomes easy
Speaker 3: and everything else. But it's I I feel sorry for
Speaker 3: the other people that then look at these people that
Speaker 3: are making money and you know, and using Instagram because
Speaker 3: it for like for me, it's a commercial asset. So
Speaker 3: really it's it's it's the people that you know are
Speaker 3: not making the money, but then are creating this person
Speaker 3: that they're not, and they're putting so much investment into
Speaker 3: this person, building this picture again for other people's satisfaction,
Speaker 3: that they become the byproduct that is the person that's
Speaker 3: in the shadows crying and unhappy and depressed. But they're
Speaker 3: so and they've invested so much into creating this persona
Speaker 3: of someone they're not, and that is a really I
Speaker 3: think that is so dangerous, especially for kids growing up
Speaker 3: and everything else. You see these people on Instagram, you know,
Speaker 3: the ones that are making all the money and everything else,
Speaker 3: and then they start to compare this comparison that we do,
Speaker 3: you know, because once you start to compare, you know,
Speaker 3: then it starts to create this unrealistic world of something
Speaker 3: you want to be. You don't want to be yourself,
Speaker 3: you want to be someone else, you know, and that's
Speaker 3: where the you know, that's corrosive. That really starts to
Speaker 3: rot away that individual and it's not a happy place
Speaker 3: to be. And I really do feel for all those
Speaker 3: people out there that are doing that. You know, they're
Speaker 3: investing everything into the person they're creating. It's like AI,
Speaker 3: isn't it. You're creating this person who you're not, you know,
Speaker 3: with all the filters and doing all this and that
Speaker 3: and the other. You know, your energy is all on
Speaker 3: that person you're not, and you become the by product.
Speaker 1: And that's you know, it's sad when you become the
Speaker 1: by products.
Speaker 2: I'm of the not very popular school of thought that
Speaker 2: technological advancement doesn't necessarily equal human advance I think some
Speaker 2: technology is awesome obviously, anything in the medical space, anything
Speaker 2: that helps humans on a fundamental level, but some of
Speaker 2: it it scares.
Speaker 1: Me a little bit.
Speaker 2: Where we're going a couple of things, I want to
Speaker 2: ask you. I want to circle back on one thing
Speaker 2: that I neglected. It was in my mind then we
Speaker 2: got caught up. First thing is half of my listeners
Speaker 2: now are going ah aahuascar.
Speaker 1: I wonder how it was for him and half ago?
Speaker 1: And what the fuck is ayahwuasca?
Speaker 2: We've spoken about it a couple of times, but we're
Speaker 2: eight hundred episodes deep and we're always getting new listeners.
Speaker 2: Could you give this the two minute kind of ayahuasca
Speaker 2: tutorial ten minutes whatever the fuck you want and how
Speaker 2: it was for you?
Speaker 3: And yeah, yeah, Well, basically, iahwuasca is a plant medicine.
Speaker 3: It's a natural it's a plant, so it's an actual
Speaker 3: natural medicine.
Speaker 1: It's sourced out in.
Speaker 3: Well, it's Peruvian, I think it comes from basically. But
Speaker 3: basically it's a hallucinogenic and it's centuries old, you know,
Speaker 3: So basically when you go to take do ayahuascar. One
Speaker 3: thing they said to me there is when you take higahuascar,
Speaker 3: it is it doesn't go to where you want it.
Speaker 3: It goes to where it's needed. So for me, what
Speaker 3: that did for me in a snapshot is basically when
Speaker 3: I went with a load of veterans from all over
Speaker 3: the world to a place called Saltara in Costa Rica,
Speaker 3: and that was really you imagine a lot of those
Speaker 3: guys were absolutely torn apart by PTSD and everything else.
Speaker 3: I was actually in quite a good place, but I
Speaker 3: went anyway because I wanted to understand about Ayahuascar. It
Speaker 3: is a real deep dive into yourself, into you and
Speaker 3: for me, when you go, let me give you an example.
Speaker 3: You know, like I said, it goes to where it's needed.
Speaker 3: So for me, I didn't know where it was going
Speaker 3: to go. It went back to me as a ten
Speaker 3: year old boy. And that is the journey I went
Speaker 3: on and understanding now that when we go through any
Speaker 3: kind of traumatic event, I feel there's a self preservation
Speaker 3: system in built within us that it locks away the
Speaker 3: intimate trauma so that we can get over the short term.
Speaker 1: It locks it away.
Speaker 3: But the unfortunate thing with that is people rarely go
Speaker 3: back to deal with it. They lock it away and
Speaker 3: push it under the carpet, under the under the bed
Speaker 3: or whatever.
Speaker 1: Internally.
Speaker 3: So for me, Ayahua Oscar was actually going back into that,
Speaker 3: unlocking that dealing with that trauma, that intimate trauma which
Speaker 3: I did on that throughout had four ceremonies and it
Speaker 3: was really unraveling all that trauma and taking you know,
Speaker 3: for me, it was about the fact that I created
Speaker 3: this whole story in my head about me being the
Speaker 3: victim and pour me and everything else, which we do
Speaker 3: as humans. We're great at being victims. But for me,
Speaker 3: it was about going into that situation starting to have
Speaker 3: some compassion for the chimp that attacked me on that day.
Speaker 3: I'm one that went into its arena. It didn't come
Speaker 3: looking for me, you know, I was the one that
Speaker 3: was threatening. It's young, you know, and I started to
Speaker 3: have so much compassion for that chimp. It took me
Speaker 3: out of being a victim and it made me a
Speaker 3: part of the scenario as opposed to the focal point
Speaker 3: of it. And there's a lot of things that happened
Speaker 3: in you know that that won't go into because it
Speaker 3: was a long, long journey. But for me, it was
Speaker 3: like I came out of that and I was at peace.
Speaker 3: I then started to look back at how that, you know,
Speaker 3: trauma at a ten year old when you're ten has
Speaker 3: really or any when you're young, has a very damaging effect,
Speaker 3: and it does steer and change your life dramatically. I
Speaker 3: didn't even realize what it was doing, but it was causing.
Speaker 1: Me a lot of.
Speaker 3: Pushing me into a lot of negative situations until I
Speaker 3: actually dealt with that. When it comes to trauma, people
Speaker 3: struggle actually moving forward because they're fighting to be the
Speaker 3: person they used to be and because of that traumatic incident,
Speaker 3: not that person anymore. Stop, you know, and the more
Speaker 3: you fight to be who you are, the more frustration
Speaker 3: and confusion there's going to be. So really, for me,
Speaker 3: ayahuasca it's an ancient plant medicine used by Native Indians
Speaker 3: for hundreds of years and it really helps them to
Speaker 3: sort of have a deep dive into themselves. And for me,
Speaker 3: it was about unlocking that trauma. So, you know, I
Speaker 3: still feel I've got a lot of work to do.
Speaker 3: I want to go back and do the process again.
Speaker 3: But it is like having you know, talking to the
Speaker 3: lads and the and the girls that went there who
Speaker 3: were military veterans. They were like this is like having
Speaker 3: two years of therapy in one session.
Speaker 2: M hm M.
Speaker 1: So it's incredible. There's a where where I'm studying at
Speaker 1: Monash University. There's a.
Speaker 2: Part of I'm going to think called Brian Park, and
Speaker 2: there's a whole there's a whole team working on plant
Speaker 2: medicines and psilocybin and their applications for potentially for therapeutic.
Speaker 1: Benefits. I think we're going to see. I think we're
Speaker 1: going to see some of.
Speaker 2: These medicines that are not really conventional in Western countries
Speaker 2: and not really accepted. I think over time they're going
Speaker 2: to become more accepted and more understood. I think at
Speaker 2: the moment there's a lot of and I'm not I
Speaker 2: don't even pretend to understand it, but everyone. It's funny
Speaker 2: because one of my best friends comes on this show
Speaker 2: a bit. He's also he was in the military. He's Irish.
Speaker 2: His name's Paul Taylor, and he also was in the
Speaker 2: middle of a fair bit of crap and yeah, he
Speaker 2: did the same and he speaks about it with reverence,
Speaker 2: and you know, it's there's so much much about the
Speaker 2: human condition, and you know, even even just the brain,
Speaker 2: like and I literally study in a place called which
Speaker 2: is the neuroscience department in Monash University at the laboratory
Speaker 2: is called Brain Park, and there I'm the dumbest person there,
Speaker 2: right And but and even those all those people with
Speaker 2: three PhDs and professors and everyone's still figuring out the brain.
Speaker 1: I mean, we think we know.
Speaker 2: You know, we know more than we used to, but
Speaker 2: we're still fucking scratching our heads and opening doors and
Speaker 2: understanding and poking at things and trying to figure stuff out.
Speaker 1: So and I think there's also, you.
Speaker 2: Know, one of the pro one of the challenges I
Speaker 2: reckon to Ollie is that some things that work don't
Speaker 2: with our current level of understanding in science. They don't
Speaker 2: in inverted commas make sense, but nonetheless they work right,
Speaker 2: And so people are very skeptical. If you can't see it,
Speaker 2: feel it, touch at me, you know, analyze it, put
Speaker 2: it under a microscope, well it's it's it's you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's not real or it's not working, or it's
Speaker 2: just it's a pluce e bow or you know. I
Speaker 2: wanted to ask you because I didn't could could you?
Speaker 2: How did you get into like? How on Earth does
Speaker 2: one come to rescue kids from child prostitution and slavery, Like,
Speaker 2: how did that even arise?
Speaker 3: Yeah, another good question mate, But I was actually I'm
Speaker 3: a big you know this word coincidence.
Speaker 1: I don't believe in that word.
Speaker 3: I think things happened for a reason, and some of
Speaker 3: the things when I look back, you know, I was
Speaker 3: actually at a party in Australia in Brisbane. You know,
Speaker 3: bear in mind this is what some twenty odd years
Speaker 3: after I passed my Special Forces selection. Anyway, I was
Speaker 3: introduced to a guy that was from the UK there
Speaker 3: who used to be in the middle you know. Someone said, oh,
Speaker 3: he's in the military, you know, and come and meet Simon.
Speaker 3: And then I went to meet Simon. As soon as
Speaker 3: he opened his mouth, I remember, it took me back
Speaker 3: to some kind of traumatic event in my life. And
Speaker 3: then I started to think, I remember that voice from
Speaker 3: Special Forces selection and he was one of my interrogators.
Speaker 1: Oh that's great. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So this is like twenty twenty five years later and
Speaker 3: I'm like, no way were you? And I was like,
Speaker 3: then we worked out the dates and I went Jesus Christ,
Speaker 3: you would you talk me through selection? You were one
Speaker 3: of those horrible people that you know, the final part
Speaker 3: of my selection.
Speaker 1: You put me through and you're welcome. You're welcome, yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, Now get me a beer. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So so then it was like, you know, obviously we
Speaker 3: were connected from that moment, but he was like, then
Speaker 3: start to tell me about an organization in Australia called
Speaker 3: the Gray Man that was rescuing kids from child prostitution
Speaker 3: and slavery, and you know, I was like straight away,
Speaker 3: you know, my ears pricked up. I'd come over to Australia,
Speaker 3: start to do working property and stuff like that, start
Speaker 3: to get this stability, and there was almost a there
Speaker 3: was the desire to sort of get back on the
Speaker 3: tools and then be the drive because it was helping kids.
Speaker 3: And then see then being told I was then went
Speaker 3: to someone's house where there was a presentation about you know, uh,
Speaker 3: the issue, which is is human trafficking, and it was like,
Speaker 3: you know the fact that these kids are sold by
Speaker 3: their parents was just for me. Then I had to
Speaker 3: go and do something about it because you know, I
Speaker 3: complained about my dad not being that emotional as a kid,
Speaker 3: not getting a hug. He didn't sell me into the
Speaker 3: skin trade, so he's not that bad a bloke, you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: and that really that I was like driven. I feel
Speaker 3: that was almost like my destiny. You know, It's like
Speaker 3: that was the universe helping I feel my life. Looking
Speaker 3: looking back, you know, my purpose was in this straight
Speaker 3: line moving forward to helping people in life. I got
Speaker 3: veered off, which I think it was an essential part
Speaker 3: of my journey to go off and do the Special
Speaker 3: Forces and everything I learned, all that training. You know,
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter, it wasn't my purpose. But then it
Speaker 3: took me back round. I then tripped over this thing,
Speaker 3: and that was the gray Man. It then triggered me
Speaker 3: back into driving me or making me understand what my
Speaker 3: true purpose was.
Speaker 1: But it learnt.
Speaker 3: It helped me to have all these skills under my belt,
Speaker 3: which without without that, I wouldn't be able to do
Speaker 3: the things that I was going to do to help
Speaker 3: these kids. You know, I wouldn't have been on that
Speaker 3: mission if I wasn't the next Special Forces soldier.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Then you know, because and that's why you said before,
Speaker 3: you know, you alluded to the fact you've probably got
Speaker 3: no regrets. I have no regrets just because I went
Speaker 3: off track a little bit. I had to do that,
Speaker 3: and I had to do that to really you know,
Speaker 3: it helped me grow in so many ways and obviously
Speaker 3: taught me a few skills that are handy.
Speaker 1: But you know, it then brought me back to.
Speaker 3: That that situation in Thailand and then for the TV stuff.
Speaker 1: You know, when I came over to the UK.
Speaker 3: You know, my sole intention was like I had nothing,
Speaker 3: I was broken, I was in a bad place, and
Speaker 3: you know, in my head, right, I've got this thing
Speaker 3: this is you know, I want to I want to
Speaker 3: start this company called break Point, And I said before
Speaker 3: the mission statement to create a globally identified brand recognized
Speaker 3: for the positive growth and development of others. You imagine
Speaker 3: what my internal brain is saying when I'm drinking too much,
Speaker 3: you know, taking valid to all sorts of abusive stuff,
Speaker 3: you know, this self destruction. My head is absolutely look
Speaker 3: at you. Who the hell do you think you are?
Speaker 3: How can you help anyone else? And that's what we do.
Speaker 3: You know, that's what happens you if you allow that
Speaker 3: to consume you, you become a victim of your emotions,
Speaker 3: you know, and that for me was so important at
Speaker 3: that time. Yeah, okay, I understand that, but I'm casting
Speaker 3: the stone of who I want to be and not
Speaker 3: who I am, you know, And that was so important
Speaker 3: for me to do that. And then, you know, three months,
Speaker 3: I lot myself away to change the blueprint of who
Speaker 3: I was. Meditation and visualization, everything I did on a
Speaker 3: daily basis. I switched off the TV, didn't buy a newspaper,
Speaker 3: and I just focused on me for three months. After
Speaker 3: three months, I didn't recognize myself the person I was
Speaker 3: that I went in there. And towards the back end
Speaker 3: of that, I suddenly get a phone call, do you
Speaker 3: want to be on this TV show? It was like
Speaker 3: a gift from God. It was like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: this is incredible. That was then the platform that was
Speaker 3: going to give me a voice. It was going to
Speaker 3: create my exposure to do what I'm doing today. You know,
Speaker 3: And I look back at that, Is that all coincidence?
Speaker 3: If you think it's a coincidence in your life? Is
Speaker 3: a coincidence? And these things happen and you don't analyze
Speaker 3: them and wonder why they're happening, then you're missing out.
Speaker 1: What are you? Was that? Mate?
Speaker 3: Well, they're coming back into Yeah, there are three months
Speaker 3: and then the t they offer, Yeah, twenty fourteen, I
Speaker 3: came back. I put myself into I've got a job
Speaker 3: as soon as I came back, and then I doing
Speaker 3: some stuff in London and then went right I was
Speaker 3: getting lost into it and in living, you know, and
Speaker 3: I said, right now, I'm going to stop this. I
Speaker 3: put myself in the house in December twenty fourteen, and
Speaker 3: it was it was February twenty fifteen when I actually
Speaker 3: sort of left left the house. I'd left the house
Speaker 3: to go out of exercise and buy stuff. But it
Speaker 3: was two, you know, early twenty fifteen in February when
Speaker 3: I left and got the opportunity to start the TV
Speaker 3: show Did You?
Speaker 1: And it was just you didn't do that as part
Speaker 1: of the program. You did that by yourself. I did
Speaker 1: that by myself.
Speaker 3: But I basically I was I was pulling in all
Speaker 3: kinds of resources, you know, it was my I was
Speaker 3: pulling all kinds of stuff, so all my visualization and everything.
Speaker 3: I was learning from different parts of you know, I
Speaker 3: found on Google and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Bob Proctor, who was I don't know if everyone I
Speaker 1: know who Bob Procter is. He's old school, yeah but great, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: So Bob proc to I, you know, I invested heavily,
Speaker 3: and I still I'm actually trained to be a Bob
Speaker 3: Proctor consultant almost. I think next week I'll get my
Speaker 3: final assessment. And he was massively incremental in everything, you know,
Speaker 3: just having that positive mindset, understand that we are energy,
Speaker 3: Understand that visualization the power positive thought. You know, I've
Speaker 3: had some crazy experiences in my life to prove that
Speaker 3: that power of visualization, that power positive thought has so
Speaker 3: much merit. You know, it's not voodoo, it's not woo woo,
Speaker 3: it's absolutely you know, a lot of people go through
Speaker 3: life being negative. Everything, every word that comes out their
Speaker 3: mouth is negative, and they have ended up with negative
Speaker 3: outcomes and everything. And then they look at people like
Speaker 3: myself and probably yourself, Craig, who do you know, believe
Speaker 3: in the positivity and visualization and say, oh, that's a
Speaker 3: load of rubbish. I'm quite happy, like you know, having
Speaker 3: this repeat habit loop of absolutely nothing. But for me,
Speaker 3: anyone out there that doesn't believe that yet absolutely missing out.
Speaker 2: What was it like opening the door on because obviously
Speaker 2: it didn't set out to be a TV star And
Speaker 2: I mean I wouldn't really call you that like a
Speaker 2: TV personality because I think you kind of pretty much,
Speaker 2: you know, as close as you can on a reality
Speaker 2: in inverted commas. Like I said, I was watching you before.
Speaker 2: This is me pumping up my own tires here look
Speaker 2: at me. But before it used to be on SBS
Speaker 2: in Australia at like some weird time right, like I
Speaker 2: don't know eleven o'clock when it because nobody had heard
Speaker 2: of it. It got no promotion and I stumbled across
Speaker 2: it and I'm like, this is fucking great, Like this
Speaker 2: is this is like actual reality TV. And I know
Speaker 2: there's still an element of whatever, but it to me,
Speaker 2: I loved it. I loved you, I loved all of
Speaker 2: the boys.
Speaker 1: It was great.
Speaker 2: And what was it like? Did you have to was
Speaker 2: there any instruction? Was there any like how I mean.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've been asked this a million times.
Speaker 2: I don't want to ask it, but how how much
Speaker 2: influenced did directors and producers and lighting people and all
Speaker 2: that shit have or were you Well did you kind
Speaker 2: of do your thing and they just worked around you?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well the latter of what you've just said there really,
Speaker 3: I mean, they came in, they did the framework, they
Speaker 3: sourced everything from the internet, which is important because we've
Speaker 3: signed a disclosure agreement, which is the Secrecy Act, so
Speaker 3: it's important that they built that framework. Then they approached
Speaker 3: they looked out in the world for Special Forces ex
Speaker 3: Special Forces soldiers and came across myself and the other
Speaker 3: three lands. But really that was the beauty of the
Speaker 3: show initially in the UK that sas who des Wins
Speaker 3: that you know they did. They were the experts at
Speaker 3: filming and doing the edit. We were the subject matter
Speaker 3: experts when it came to the content. So really for
Speaker 3: us to go in there, we've got to make it
Speaker 3: as authentic as possible. Otherwise we would not be on
Speaker 3: that show. We wouldn't do it.
Speaker 1: So it's do that.
Speaker 3: We're going to do this a little bit differently, however,
Speaker 3: we're going to do it. So we had so much
Speaker 3: input in the early days. When I say the early days,
Speaker 3: as time went on with Sasuds winds in the UK,
Speaker 3: that slowly got drawn away from us. We slowly got
Speaker 3: pushed further away from the narrative. And that really for
Speaker 3: me is when I started to lose my interest in it.
Speaker 3: I was not enjoying it. I was enduring it, and
Speaker 3: that really was you know, it's like had no. I
Speaker 3: almost felt like when I was going away to do
Speaker 3: the film and it was like I was like, well,
Speaker 3: this is like a month or two months out of
Speaker 3: my business. You know, my business would sit still, and
Speaker 3: that's always the focus for me. The TV stuff really
Speaker 3: is a sideshow. But that is why it's been so
Speaker 3: brilliant to come over and be in Australia, because the
Speaker 3: Australian one goes back to those early days of what
Speaker 3: we did initially. You know, it's such a marriage. Now,
Speaker 3: it's such a great partnership because they absolutely love the
Speaker 3: content that we bring. We help direct everything. They listened
Speaker 3: to us, We listened to them. They come up with
Speaker 3: some great ideas and we reject some we don't and
Speaker 3: it's a real you know, at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: we come up with something that's absolutely amazing, and the
Speaker 3: show like that has to have that relationship. You can't
Speaker 3: have one side, either side saying this is how it
Speaker 3: must be done. But really the show itself is I
Speaker 3: don't think there's many shows like it. It is the
Speaker 3: fly on the wall, you know, with the cameras. The
Speaker 3: cameras just work around us and there's a real relationship
Speaker 3: we have, you know, an ant. It's really strict. It's
Speaker 3: you know, making sure that the TV crew and everyone
Speaker 3: and the media people do not enter that bubble. We
Speaker 3: call it that bubble. You know, we've got to make
Speaker 3: sure it's clinical, it's sterile. You know, these celebrities that
Speaker 3: turn up, it's so funny when you see them on
Speaker 3: day one and looking over their shoulder for makeup and
Speaker 3: a latte and it doesn't turn up.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2: Some that come on, I'm like, fuck, you're going to
Speaker 2: last to a lunchtime if you're lucky and invariably. I mean,
Speaker 2: has there been And for people who don't watch the show,
Speaker 2: this will be a redundant question, but yeah, has there
Speaker 2: been one person in all the series, the series Comma
Speaker 2: that you've done that you think that that really stood
Speaker 2: out as being genuinely mentally physically tough.
Speaker 1: And if the answer is no, that's cool. But was
Speaker 1: there a person or a couple of people that were
Speaker 1: legitimately like really hard asses?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean the Badger he was absolutely incredible. The Honey Badger. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the Honey Badger he was brilliant.
Speaker 3: You know, he was one of those guys that you knew,
Speaker 3: unless he has an injury, is going to absolutely smash this,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. It's like, but you know,
Speaker 3: there's been lots of lots of people that have have
Speaker 3: that show is amazing.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you why.
Speaker 3: The reason I love the celebrity version is the fact
Speaker 3: that we create or we have you know, this is
Speaker 3: then fueled by the media as well. But we and
Speaker 3: themselves of course, we have a perception of who that
Speaker 3: celebrity is, is how they operate, how they you know,
Speaker 3: what their what their characters like, everything else. They then
Speaker 3: come onto that show and that show is probably the
Speaker 3: first time, especially as a celebrity, you haven't got the
Speaker 3: ability to design the perfect outcome. That's taken away from you.
Speaker 3: They're put into a sense of vulnerable situations where they
Speaker 3: feel vulnerable. They've got this you know, this this sense
Speaker 3: of anxiety because they don't know what's going on. And
Speaker 3: when that happens, ego is gone. It's like ran out
Speaker 3: of there as quickly as possible. So what then, what
Speaker 3: then happens is their thoughts, their feelings, their reactions become
Speaker 3: extremely organic, they become raw that then they start to
Speaker 3: be able to look at themselves who they really are
Speaker 3: without the influence of ego and designing that perfect outcome. Now,
Speaker 3: that's why you get so much emotion on the show,
Speaker 3: and that is so relative to Special Forces selection that
Speaker 3: that is the most parallel thing that there is on
Speaker 3: that show. You know, it's the fact that we strip
Speaker 3: them down. They're beare naked when it comes to who
Speaker 3: they are as a person. But the reason I like
Speaker 3: the celebty version is because we know what we think
Speaker 3: they are when they come in. They they think there's
Speaker 3: something before they come in. That process absolutely rinses and
Speaker 3: changes them. They come out the side a different person
Speaker 3: and people can see that transformation happening. And it's absolutely
Speaker 3: incredible how that works. And the only people that do
Speaker 3: get through that show are the ones that drop that
Speaker 3: ego or you have no choice but to drop the ego.
Speaker 3: But they're there for themselves. They're there for themselves and
Speaker 3: no one else. You know, they might turn up on
Speaker 3: day one think I'm going to smash it on the
Speaker 3: alpha male or you know, a female, but you know
Speaker 3: very quickly, A they understand they've got to work with
Speaker 3: everyone else around them to get through this, and B
Speaker 3: you've got to forget the outside world because you're so
Speaker 3: under pressure that becomes irrelevant.
Speaker 2: Before you and I went live, we chatted a little
Speaker 2: bit about my study.
Speaker 1: You asked me a couple of questions and what was
Speaker 1: I going to say?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I explained to you what external self awareness is,
Speaker 2: you know, your ability to kind of understand what it's
Speaker 2: like being around Oli. What do you what do you
Speaker 2: think the OLLI experiences for others? How do you think
Speaker 2: it is to be around you? I know that's a
Speaker 2: loaded question, and by this, I don't mean do you
Speaker 2: think people like you?
Speaker 1: I don't mean do you think they like you?
Speaker 2: And I mean what do you think the because part
Speaker 2: of this comes from, like I used to think people
Speaker 2: saw me a certain way, and I discovered early on
Speaker 2: that they actually a lot of people saw me a
Speaker 2: different way. So I had to be not changed who
Speaker 2: I was, but be aware of because I used to
Speaker 2: get with you. I don't know if you've got I'm
Speaker 2: sure you have with your background. People used to tell
Speaker 2: me a lot that I was intimidating, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: but I don't at all. I've never felt intimidating. If anything,
Speaker 2: I've felt intimidated like I've felt insecure and people like, no,
Speaker 2: you're intimidating. I'm like, how the fuck am I intimidating?
Speaker 2: Like I just want everyone to love me. I'm seeing scure,
Speaker 2: Like I'm not scary at all, but that, And when
Speaker 2: i'd lecture university students or whatever, which I did a
Speaker 2: bit of that, you know, I'd get that, yeah, like
Speaker 2: they like you, but they're a bit scared. Have you
Speaker 2: have you had to adjust or have you had insight
Speaker 2: into you that shocked you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit, mate, But I mean I think related.
Speaker 3: That's an interesting point, you know, because I find that
Speaker 3: interesting that It's like we become the mirror image, don't
Speaker 3: we of ourselves?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: We we put out there, you know, like you said, there,
Speaker 3: you've you've you were the one that felt intimidated, but
Speaker 3: you outwardly put the intimidation out to others. It's all
Speaker 3: almost like a mirror reflection what's going on insides. It's
Speaker 3: really interesting that. But you know, when I I've always thought,
Speaker 3: and I know this throughout my career. You know, obviously
Speaker 3: I've got the wealth of experience behind me now, but
Speaker 3: is the fact that I've always so so resonates with
Speaker 3: me when I when I say to myself that I
Speaker 3: am not everyone's cup of tea, I'm you shot of whiskey,
Speaker 3: and that when I say that, I know that I
Speaker 3: am fairly intense. I also, you know, I'm quite sure
Speaker 3: as well a lot of you know, sometimes a lot
Speaker 3: of a lot of people feel like I'm straight to
Speaker 3: the point. I can't be doing with the bullshit, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, I can't be doing with the
Speaker 3: fluff around the situation or something that needs doing. So
Speaker 3: I'm very direct when it comes to, you know, everyone,
Speaker 3: When I send some texts out to the people that
Speaker 3: work with me and don't I even get.
Speaker 1: A good morning, I'm I'm just trying to get something done, you.
Speaker 2: Know, tips like that, I've got to butter up. I've
Speaker 2: got to send a three or four compliments exactly right.
Speaker 3: It's a warmers before. But yeah, I'd say that I'm
Speaker 3: extremely to the point. But really, I honestly, and I
Speaker 3: think this comes down to, you know, I look at
Speaker 3: leadership and stuff like that. I think it's I saw
Speaker 3: something the other day that really resonated to me, and
Speaker 3: that's the fact that some leaders think that the best
Speaker 3: thing that they've got to do is get everyone to
Speaker 3: think how good they are. And that is to some
Speaker 3: respect true. But someone is someone that's an exceptional leader
Speaker 3: has got to get the people around him to think
Speaker 3: of how good they are themselves, you know. And I
Speaker 3: am always trying to get the best out of people,
Speaker 3: you know. Anyway I've you know, since I've had a business,
Speaker 3: I've fallen out with more people than I've ever fallen
Speaker 3: out within my life. And it's like anyone that comes
Speaker 3: into the fold with me, I want to get the
Speaker 3: best out of them. I want to really drain, you know,
Speaker 3: show them the opportunities. Because I've in the last what
Speaker 3: seven eight years, my life has changed dramatically, you know.
Speaker 3: And before that, I was bouncing around all over the place,
Speaker 3: not having a clue where I was going, what I
Speaker 3: was doing, or who I was. And now I've you know,
Speaker 3: this awakening that I had in twenty fourteen, I now
Speaker 3: wanted people. When I see people and I know that
Speaker 3: they're in that same place I used to be, I
Speaker 3: want to help them. I want to get them out
Speaker 3: of that and shake the Some people aren't that way inclined,
Speaker 3: so that when I've tried I can be a little
Speaker 3: bit intense, I can expect too much of people. I
Speaker 3: know that, but really, you know, at the end of
Speaker 3: the day, I also and someone that I just want
Speaker 3: to have a lot of fun, and that is why
Speaker 3: I create around me. I don't call it work as such.
Speaker 3: I create an environment. I don't have people working for me.
Speaker 3: They work with me. And yeah, I just if anyone
Speaker 3: thinks I'm a pain in the ass and they're in
Speaker 3: the wrong business.
Speaker 1: We have.
Speaker 2: We have a guy on once a fortnite called David
Speaker 2: Gillespie who's actually a lawyer by qualification, but he's a
Speaker 2: researcher and he does a lot of It's written about
Speaker 2: twenty books over here, a lot of best sellers. Really
Speaker 2: good dude, And every fortnight he comes on and talks
Speaker 2: about a range of stuff. And last time, not last time,
Speaker 2: the time before, we spoke about sociopaths, and which I'm
Speaker 2: sure you've dealt with quite a few on both sides
Speaker 2: of the fence. He suggested that I just want to
Speaker 2: know how you feel about this number I'm about to
Speaker 2: wheel out whether or not you think it's over or
Speaker 2: under or right. So he said that the average percent
Speaker 2: about three percent of the population are sociopaths, not psychopaths,
Speaker 2: but sociopaths as in don't really feel anything for people,
Speaker 2: have no compassion, no empathy. It's about three percent of
Speaker 2: sociopaths the average. The percentage in prisons generally is closer
Speaker 2: to twenty percent, and the percentage of leaders and CEOs
Speaker 2: is closer to twenty percent.
Speaker 3: I'd say that's about spot on, But I reckon, I reckon,
Speaker 3: to be honest, there's more sociopaths than three percent out there.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people just sugarcoat who they are. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, when the ship hits the fan and the
Speaker 3: pressure is on, they become sociopaths.
Speaker 2: Well, I think the thing too, is oli And we'll
Speaker 2: wind up on this because I know you've got to go,
Speaker 2: but we you know, some some sociopaths are really charismatic
Speaker 2: and charming and highly intelligent and gregarious and they can
Speaker 2: fucking turn it on.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you what, mate, I've heard this before
Speaker 3: that you know they relate to good people of a
Speaker 3: good number of people in the special forces as that narrative.
Speaker 1: But yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2: Well, we appreciate you, sir, so thank you so much
Speaker 2: for your time. Now the name of your company is
Speaker 2: don't tell me Breakpoint.
Speaker 1: The name of your book is Breakpoint. You've written a.
Speaker 2: Couple How do people find you, follow you, connect with you.
Speaker 2: We have quite a few listeners in the UK as well,
Speaker 2: but I'm sure you can do online stuff around the
Speaker 2: world or at least connect with people.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, that's a big thing we're engaging in now. We're
Speaker 3: actually taking everything online. So you know, if anyone, I
Speaker 3: think the best place for anyone to go is to Google.
Speaker 3: Google putting Oliolton, s A s, whose airs wins or
Speaker 3: just Oli Olton. You'll find me on there. But Instagram
Speaker 3: Oli dot Olerton and yeah you'll you'll find all the
Speaker 3: channels there, all the website Oliolaton dot co dot UK.
Speaker 1: Perfect. Stay there.
Speaker 2: We'll say goodbye off here, but thank you so much
Speaker 2: for your time, mate.
Speaker 1: We appreciate you. Thank you, it's been a pleasure talking
Speaker 1: to you great and to you tiff thank you, thank you,
Speaker 1: Thanks Tiffany and Cook. Thanks everyone,