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Speaker 1: Good team.

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Speaker 2: It's a very cheeky lineup I have today. It's The

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Speaker 2: You Project. Craig, Anthony Heart reporting and for Judy, Tiffany

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Speaker 2: and Cook. I just noticed has got the wrong trademark

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Speaker 2: Oli Olaton is joining us. Also, tiff of you. I

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Speaker 2: know you've had a busy day, but it's the first

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Speaker 1: How are you? I'm good, I'm good. It has been

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Speaker 1: a chaotic little day, hasn't it.

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Speaker 2: Well, it is a chaotic day because Easter is upon us,

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Speaker 2: the bunny comes and I've got six podcasts today and

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Speaker 2: I'm am not even saying this because of the man

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Speaker 2: that's on, but I feel like this is going to

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Speaker 2: be my favorite because I feel I've connected with a

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Speaker 2: kindred spirit. But it's been a busy day all round.

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Speaker 2: Olli Olerton, welcome to The You Project, my friend.

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Speaker 1: Thank you man. It's a pleasure to be on here.

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Speaker 3: We've already had a little warmer little chat, so I'm

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Speaker 3: really ready for this podcast.

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Speaker 1: Ready to go?

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Speaker 2: And you started sharing the goal and I had to say,

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Speaker 2: pick the brakes on the breaks on Champ, don't share

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Speaker 2: that and stuff to.

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Speaker 1: By the way, we're pretty sweary here.

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Speaker 2: So feel free to open all leave the swearing door closed.

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Speaker 1: It's up to you. Yeah, my mum does listen. They

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Speaker 1: keep that in mind. Yeah, level three swearing level three.

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Speaker 2: So I know the answer to this. But tell our

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Speaker 2: listeners where we find you at today.

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Speaker 3: I'm actually in the UK in a place called Shropshire,

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Speaker 1: And yeah, it's early, early and early ish in the morning.

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Speaker 1: What time do you get up normally five o'clock.

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Speaker 2: Do you just roll around the backyard like a ninja

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Speaker 2: doing weapons drills and kicking trees and shit pretty much.

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Speaker 3: Pretty pretty much that kind of stuff. Obviously doing a

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Speaker 1: You know, it's just just standard stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Are you just like an urban ninja? Do you

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Speaker 2: call yourself that? Do you just like like a cat?

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Speaker 2: Like a cat with you now?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely? Yeah, I find it hard to see myself sometimes

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Speaker 1: you're so quick. They're actually very funny. That's good.

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Speaker 2: Even if you can't fight, you'll disable me with bloody

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Speaker 2: humor or disarmy. We were talking just before we came on,

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Speaker 2: let's keep that going. You were talking about an interest

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Speaker 3: Yeah. No, it was something I did when I came back,

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Speaker 3: You've got to look internal to find the happiness, to

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Speaker 3: I actually started getting interested in neuroscience. I actually did

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Speaker 2: How did the guy who's high and empathy and creativity

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Speaker 2: How old are you, mate, if you don't mind me

437
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 2: asking you, I'm fifty one. He looks fucking amazing. He

438
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,200
Speaker 2: looks so healthy, doesn't he look healthy?

439
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,640
Speaker 1: Tip? Thank you? Very annoying.

440
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,960
Speaker 2: And he's got his hair is almost all black, which

441
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:41,320
Speaker 2: is fucking annoying as well.

442
00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,120
Speaker 1: I know there's no dyeing there, there's no dye.

443
00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,480
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what you need more stress in your life, bro,

444
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:52,159
Speaker 2: Stop stop being so relaxed. Why did the empathetic, creative,

445
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:55,960
Speaker 2: easy going. Maybe I'm not sure that you were, but

446
00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:00,440
Speaker 2: seventeen eighteen year old want to become a commando? What

447
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 2: compelled you? With all of the options as you're going

448
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:08,120
Speaker 2: through school, what was the influence that led you there?

449
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,440
Speaker 3: Well, mate, I don't know if you know the story

450
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,119
Speaker 3: about and I tell you anyway, but I blamed the

451
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 3: chimp was ten years old, ten years old, and I

452
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,360
Speaker 3: found myself at the circus as they were setting up,

453
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:22,720
Speaker 3: and I ended up getting into a fight with a

454
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 3: fully grown chimp that nearly killed me.

455
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,199
Speaker 2: It sounds like it, This sounds like a setup but

456
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:30,400
Speaker 2: it's not, is it.

457
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 1: It's not It's not me. You know.

458
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 3: I've told this story before and the people laugh at

459
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 3: the end of it and go, are you serious? And

460
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,440
Speaker 3: I'm like, I went to the circus ten years old,

461
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 3: and we're looking around and I ended up going out

462
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 3: the other side of the big top where they were

463
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 3: setting up and baby chimp powder back there, and I

464
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,160
Speaker 3: was drawn to it, you know, And seeing this little

465
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 3: chimp was like Hollywood to me, you know what I mean?

466
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:53,919
Speaker 3: It was.

467
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 1: It was amazing.

468
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,399
Speaker 3: It was like it was like some woman seeing George

469
00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 3: Clooney naked on this open expanse if is that a

470
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 3: good Is George Clooney a good one?

471
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 1: Or now of it? Patrick? Maybe Chris EM's worse. That's

472
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:17,679
Speaker 1: just me. Well, yeah, there you go.

473
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 2: Fucking steady on you too, how you too, get a room,

474
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 2: take a breather, let's get through the podcast.

475
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,879
Speaker 3: So I was drawn to this this little animal. It

476
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 3: started to then pass me food from the floors. Then

477
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 3: sort of I wasn't going to eat it. It's disgusting,

478
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 3: So I was like pretending to go through the motions.

479
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 3: I wasn't going to break that moment. It was unbelievable.

480
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,159
Speaker 3: It was timeless. So I was like this baby David Attenborough.

481
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 3: And then you know, the serenity, serenity of that moment

482
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 3: was broken like a fighter jet cutting through the sky

483
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 3: as I heard this roar that are still here to

484
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 3: this day and that was mommy or daddy that was

485
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 3: was not very happy. And then it's it came to

486
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 3: me at mac ten and from the shadows behind, this

487
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 3: fully grown chimp came at me at mac ten. It's

488
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 3: about fifty kilograms listen. I didn't get a chance to

489
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 3: weigh it, but it was fucking big and there are

490
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 3: about nine times as strong as humans or something. Yeah,

491
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 3: they have ripped people to bits. And this thing pounced

492
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 3: through the air, him to the floor and it was

493
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 3: going at me like a drummer in a rock. Blood

494
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 3: was flying everywhere. It started to bite me, rip chunks

495
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,919
Speaker 3: out of me. And this for me, and this is

496
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 3: one of my company is called breakpoint because this was

497
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 3: my first breakpoint. And that was in that moment where

498
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 3: I knew I was going to die. My life lashed

499
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 3: in front of me. It didn't take long.

500
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 1: I was ten in that moment.

501
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 3: I reacted, managed to dislodge the chimp, managed to get

502
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 3: my leg up, smashed out as hard as I could

503
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,160
Speaker 3: into the chimp's chest, knocked it to the floor, scurried

504
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 3: away backwards, and then it got to its feet and

505
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 3: came at me for its final attack. It was probably

506
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 3: an inch away when the chain caught it around the

507
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 3: neck and I stood up. I was absolutely dripping in blood.

508
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 3: And that was my break point, because that typifies what

509
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,360
Speaker 3: the ethos is all about. It's that short term discomfort

510
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 3: for long term gain. Short term discomfort for me was

511
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 3: fighting the grown chimp that day. Long term gain for

512
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 3: me was living. That was my first break point. It

513
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 3: wouldn't be my last, but now that's the name of

514
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 3: my company and my first book.

515
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 1: Wow, good for you do.

516
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 3: But anyway, the answer to your question, Craig is the

517
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 3: fact that that then set me off on a path

518
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 3: of absolute mayhem. As a kid, I had no consequence,

519
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 3: I had no fear. I was pushing the envelope. I

520
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 3: got in trouble with the police, nearly got a custodial

521
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 3: sentence as a kid, and then at fourteen thirteen fourteen,

522
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,199
Speaker 3: my mum really started to focus on me directing my

523
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 3: energy in a positive way. And at fourteen I can

524
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 3: Remember I was just absolutely in love with the military,

525
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,640
Speaker 3: and I remember at fourteen I made that decision where

526
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 3: looking back now, I think, God, my son was nineteen,

527
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 3: he still didn't know what he was doing. You know,

528
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 3: fourteen it was quite an assertive decision. I'm joining the

529
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:57,120
Speaker 3: Rawal Marines.

530
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: That's it. I've had enough.

531
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 3: I don't want anything to do with the school anymore.

532
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,199
Speaker 3: I've got no interest. And that was it. You know,

533
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,360
Speaker 3: that was why that dream from fourteen that then came

534
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 3: to fruition. You can imagine how disappointing that was for

535
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 3: me when I joined and it wasn't what it was meant. Well,

536
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 3: I think I'd spent so long creating the dream of

537
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,199
Speaker 3: what it was going to be that I built it

538
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 3: so big it fell down as soon as I drin

539
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 3: I joined, really, but that's really that was the driving

540
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 3: force for me joining, you know, is that it was

541
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 3: the only place that I wanted to be at war

542
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 3: every day. It is an unhealthy character trait, but I

543
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 3: wanted to be at war every day. I wanted to

544
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,880
Speaker 3: be knocking on death door. And you know, I actually,

545
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 3: when I look at my career, the safest part of

546
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 3: my career, my life was actually in the Special Forces

547
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 3: because I had this structure around me, I had people

548
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 3: around me to keep me confined. My life was absolute

549
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 3: mayhem either side of that up until you know, the

550
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,199
Speaker 3: age of forty forty three, when I actually start to

551
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 3: sort myself out and start to look in turn for

552
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 3: that internal fix out a breakdown, and you know, but

553
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 3: that was it, you know, it pushed me to the military.

554
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,239
Speaker 3: I came out the other end of that, and then

555
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 3: it went back, absolutely even worse into that mayhem. I

556
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 3: was bouncing all over the world, going to war zones,

557
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 3: thinking that was again this external fix that was going

558
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 3: to make me happy, and it wasn't.

559
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:20,199
Speaker 1: You know.

560
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 3: It's only when I, you know, I had this breakdown,

561
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 3: I started to think about suicide and a break I've

562
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 3: been analyzing what happens when someone has this breakdown. You know,

563
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 3: everyone said it's like the phoenix from the fire and

564
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 3: all this and what actually happens, and I really think

565
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 3: there's a lot of merit in this. My thoughts about

566
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 3: this is when you are actually broken and you've got

567
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 3: to your lowest are, but it's the first time you

568
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 3: start to look in. Up until that point, everything's external, external, external, external,

569
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 3: and when you actually have this break. For me, certainly,

570
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 3: when I had that breakdown, when I came crashing down,

571
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 3: I had nowhere else to look but inside. And it

572
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 3: was that looking inside that made me start to realize

573
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 3: that everything I was looking for was there, it wasn't outside,

574
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 3: and that's what I needed to change.

575
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 2: Some people would call that a spiritual awakening, but or not,

576
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 2: or just a recognition like yeah, because it's I think

577
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 2: we try and resolve internal stuff, emotional, psychological whatever, sociological

578
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 2: relationship stuff, fear stuff, anxiety stuff, overthinking, self doubt, self loathing,

579
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 2: all that bullshit, all that very common stuff. I think

580
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 2: we try and resolve it with external solutions and we go,

581
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 2: well if I can, just I did that, mate, because

582
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 2: I was an insecure I was a fat kid. When

583
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 2: I was a kid, I was a fatest kid in

584
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 2: my school and all that stuff. And then I got

585
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 2: in shape and then all I wanted to do was

586
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 2: have this awesome body and look look freaky.

587
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: So you know, because I got my.

588
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 2: Sense of self and self worth and self esteem from

589
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 2: my body, and so you know, and that again that's

590
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 2: just a shell. That's just an external thing that people

591
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 2: we'll see because I never felt good enough. So I thought, well,

592
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 2: if I have a ridiculous body, then that will that

593
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 2: will kind of distract people from the ship that is me.

594
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: You know, one totally relate to that.

595
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 3: I did exactly the same thing when I came back,

596
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 3: when I first sort of sorted myself out.

597
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: And you know, that was that was the main thing

598
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: for me.

599
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 3: I was like, I was wanting to be this, you know,

600
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 3: it was all about the body, the image, you know,

601
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 3: and zero percent of fat and all that, and wanted

602
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 3: to be ripped as anything.

603
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: And it was I was, you know, you people think,

604
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: oh god, look at that guy.

605
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 3: It looks great, but by insecurity, you know, being you know,

606
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 3: I wanted to have that sort of and it was

607
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 3: my ego that was really desperate, desperate to have that

608
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 3: attention from everyone else, saying all, look how fit you are.

609
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 3: But when I look back, you know, I think how

610
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 3: unstable I was still at that stage.

611
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: It's funny, though, isn't it.

612
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 2: How Like I'm fifty eight and I know you think

613
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 2: and fuck, you look incredible.

614
00:29:58,600 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: I'm fifty.

615
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 2: Idea, you're great. You look great, mate, I'm fucking with you.

616
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 2: I look one hundred percent. I look fifty eight everyone,

617
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 2: but I am. But I think when people think like you,

618
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 2: okay X, you know, Royal Marine, SASSBS, Commando blah blah,

619
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 2: Special Forces, fucking weapon, you know, and it's so nice

620
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 2: to hear you go, I was pretty fucked up. I

621
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 2: was fucked up, issues, self esteem, ego, suicidal ideology, ideation.

622
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 2: I should say, not that we want you to have

623
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 2: any of that, but it's just true. And for you

624
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 2: to be brave enough, I mean, for me, you talking

625
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 2: about this shit that is courage and bravery and not

626
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 2: that what you did before is not. But this is

627
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 2: a whole different level because when you the guy on

628
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 2: the telly, the guy that's the war hero, the guy

629
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 2: that's done all these things that most of us would

630
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 2: never even fucking think of doing, and then here you

631
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 2: are talking to a couple of people about your fallibility,

632
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 2: your flaws, your issues, your bullshit, your peaks and troughs.

633
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: This is I mean, this is the stuff that people

634
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: need to hear.

635
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 2: I believe, not some rah rah motivational, fucking short term whatever,

636
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 2: because people see themselves in you. People hear themselves in

637
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 2: your story. And you know, like even the fact that

638
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 2: Tiff and I did a podcast earlier today and we

639
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 2: were talking about, you know, being in the wrong job,

640
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 2: and then you get on and talk about I could

641
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 2: do it, but it was kind of the wrong job,

642
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 2: you know, and just being brave enough and honest enough,

643
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 2: because that must have even been And it's not that you,

644
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,959
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm sure that you still are happy

645
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 2: with what you did, and I'm sure you don't regret it.

646
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: But there will be a lot of people who, you.

647
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 2: Know, their military career and the stuff that you've done

648
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 2: that would almost be their identity until the day they die,

649
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 2: like that's where they get their sense of self and

650
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 2: self worth and self esteem. But when you realize that

651
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 2: what I do is not who I am, like what

652
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 2: I do, like my job is my job, it's not

653
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 2: my identity. And I think one of the challenges for

654
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 2: us is because we don't really know who the fuck

655
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 2: we are. And we think we're our body, and we

656
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 2: think we're our achievements, and we think we're our brand,

657
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 2: or we think we are the bloke on Telly, or

658
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 2: we think we are the podcast or the corporate speaker

659
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 2: or the whatever the fuck. But it's only when we

660
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 2: open the door on that self kind of searching that

661
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 2: self awareness that who am I beyond my staff? Who

662
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 2: am I beyond what people think of me? And who

663
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 2: am I beyond what I have thought of me? Like

664
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 2: I think that's when the good stuff starts to open up.

665
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

666
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 3: One, but you know, and I keep going back to

667
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 3: the majority of people, a lot of people, and they

668
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 3: wonder why they're frustrated in life and depressed and you

669
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 3: know they have no sense of direction and purpose and

670
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 3: everything else is because they don't allow that realization to happen.

671
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 3: You know, it's such a powerful thing when that does happen,

672
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 3: And certainly for me, you know, looking back now, if

673
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 3: you know, if I don't know where I've been, i'd

674
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 3: be if for me I didn't have that breakdown, I

675
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 3: didn't start to look.

676
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: Within, you know.

677
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's just like you know, and that's that's

678
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:17,959
Speaker 3: really for me.

679
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: It's like everything in my book's Craig.

680
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 3: You know, every book I've done, whether you know I've

681
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 3: done too self development and to fiction at the moment,

682
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,719
Speaker 3: but each one of those books is I'm a flawed character,

683
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 3: and it's so important that I you know, there's a

684
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 3: lot of people out there faking perfection. You've only got

685
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 3: a look at ego gram. You know, I mean everyone

686
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 3: on there is everyone on there is faking perfection. No

687
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 3: one is prepared to actually deal with their weaknesses as

688
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 3: well as their strength. And if you don't, it's the

689
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 3: ying and the gang you've got to deal. If you

690
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 3: don't expose your weaknesses, how can you deal with them?

691
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: They're just hidden it.

692
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 3: It's like it's like the thief that doesn't expose, they're

693
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 3: always going to be stealing from you.

694
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 2: You can't get better at the thing you want to do.

695
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 2: You can't get better at the thing you want college

696
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 2: one hundred percent.

697
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, So you've really got to identify with your strengths

698
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 3: and witnesses and work with those you know to understand

699
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 3: who you are and what you need to fix.

700
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Speaker 1: One of the problems I reckon.

701
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 2: Is or one of the challenges is so when you

702
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 2: talk about egogram, for example, Instagram, the truth is that

703
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 2: that some some people can get on there. I'm I'm

704
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 2: not saying people shouldn't do this, don't send me an email.

705
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: But.

706
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 2: And basically get rewarded, get their ego stroked, and also

707
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:40,280
Speaker 2: financially rewarded for putting up photos of themselves and then

708
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 2: then I think that's that's when the identity thing becomes.

709
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they shouldn't do that.

710
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 2: I just think there's a way that I don't know

711
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 2: the answer to this, but you know, someone's making twenty

712
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 2: grand putting pictures of themselves on Instagram. Who the fuck

713
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,959
Speaker 2: am I to say don't do that? But then or more,

714
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 2: I mean, some people may one hundred grand, some people

715
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 2: make millions a year.

716
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: But then on top of that, you go, at what

717
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: cost does that come? Like?

718
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 2: How do how do I separate between me doing this

719
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 2: thing where people are essentially they don't know me, they're

720
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 2: just looking at my body versus who I am beyond that?

721
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 2: And how do I stay spiritually, mentally and emotionally well

722
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 2: when I get my sense of self worth and self

723
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 2: esteem from what strangers think of my body.

724
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll tell you what it's like.

725
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 3: I have spent a lot of time thinking about this,

726
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 3: and it was actually when I went across to South

727
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 3: and this is where I actually dealt with a lot

728
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 3: of my stuff, especially I dealt with the trauma when

729
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,760
Speaker 3: I was ten years old, when I went to Costa

730
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 3: Rica and I did an ayahuasca ceremony over there, which

731
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 3: was absolutely unbelievable, a real deep dive and really start

732
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 3: to unravel that trauma. But another thing that happened to

733
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 3: me when I was doing that ceremony, I started to

734
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 3: really have this observation about how much each every I mean,

735
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 3: for the person that's making all that money, as long

736
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 3: as they can look at that and think, well, that

737
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 3: is they've got to underhit that's their purpose for doing it.

738
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 3: They've got a why for doing it. And once you

739
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 3: once you know the why, the how, it becomes easy

740
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 3: and everything else. But it's I I feel sorry for

741
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 3: the other people that then look at these people that

742
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 3: are making money and you know, and using Instagram because

743
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 3: it for like for me, it's a commercial asset. So

744
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 3: really it's it's it's the people that you know are

745
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 3: not making the money, but then are creating this person

746
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 3: that they're not, and they're putting so much investment into

747
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 3: this person, building this picture again for other people's satisfaction,

748
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 3: that they become the byproduct that is the person that's

749
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 3: in the shadows crying and unhappy and depressed. But they're

750
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 3: so and they've invested so much into creating this persona

751
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 3: of someone they're not, and that is a really I

752
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 3: think that is so dangerous, especially for kids growing up

753
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 3: and everything else. You see these people on Instagram, you know,

754
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 3: the ones that are making all the money and everything else,

755
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 3: and then they start to compare this comparison that we do,

756
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 3: you know, because once you start to compare, you know,

757
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 3: then it starts to create this unrealistic world of something

758
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 3: you want to be. You don't want to be yourself,

759
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 3: you want to be someone else, you know, and that's

760
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 3: where the you know, that's corrosive. That really starts to

761
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,919
Speaker 3: rot away that individual and it's not a happy place

762
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 3: to be. And I really do feel for all those

763
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 3: people out there that are doing that. You know, they're

764
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 3: investing everything into the person they're creating. It's like AI,

765
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 3: isn't it. You're creating this person who you're not, you know,

766
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 3: with all the filters and doing all this and that

767
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 3: and the other. You know, your energy is all on

768
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 3: that person you're not, and you become the by product.

769
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: And that's you know, it's sad when you become the

770
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: by products.

771
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 2: I'm of the not very popular school of thought that

772
00:37:55,000 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 2: technological advancement doesn't necessarily equal human advance I think some

773
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 2: technology is awesome obviously, anything in the medical space, anything

774
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 2: that helps humans on a fundamental level, but some of

775
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 2: it it scares.

776
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: Me a little bit.

777
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 2: Where we're going a couple of things, I want to

778
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 2: ask you. I want to circle back on one thing

779
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 2: that I neglected. It was in my mind then we

780
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 2: got caught up. First thing is half of my listeners

781
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 2: now are going ah aahuascar.

782
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: I wonder how it was for him and half ago?

783
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: And what the fuck is ayahwuasca?

784
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 2: We've spoken about it a couple of times, but we're

785
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 2: eight hundred episodes deep and we're always getting new listeners.

786
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 2: Could you give this the two minute kind of ayahuasca

787
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 2: tutorial ten minutes whatever the fuck you want and how

788
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 2: it was for you?

789
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 3: And yeah, yeah, Well, basically, iahwuasca is a plant medicine.

790
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,760
Speaker 3: It's a natural it's a plant, so it's an actual

791
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 3: natural medicine.

792
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 1: It's sourced out in.

793
00:38:56,080 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 3: Well, it's Peruvian, I think it comes from basically. But

794
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 3: basically it's a hallucinogenic and it's centuries old, you know,

795
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 3: So basically when you go to take do ayahuascar. One

796
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 3: thing they said to me there is when you take higahuascar,

797
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,399
Speaker 3: it is it doesn't go to where you want it.

798
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 3: It goes to where it's needed. So for me, what

799
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 3: that did for me in a snapshot is basically when

800
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 3: I went with a load of veterans from all over

801
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 3: the world to a place called Saltara in Costa Rica,

802
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 3: and that was really you imagine a lot of those

803
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 3: guys were absolutely torn apart by PTSD and everything else.

804
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 3: I was actually in quite a good place, but I

805
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 3: went anyway because I wanted to understand about Ayahuascar. It

806
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 3: is a real deep dive into yourself, into you and

807
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 3: for me, when you go, let me give you an example.

808
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 3: You know, like I said, it goes to where it's needed.

809
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 3: So for me, I didn't know where it was going

810
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 3: to go. It went back to me as a ten

811
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 3: year old boy. And that is the journey I went

812
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 3: on and understanding now that when we go through any

813
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 3: kind of traumatic event, I feel there's a self preservation

814
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 3: system in built within us that it locks away the

815
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 3: intimate trauma so that we can get over the short term.

816
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:17,720
Speaker 1: It locks it away.

817
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 3: But the unfortunate thing with that is people rarely go

818
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 3: back to deal with it. They lock it away and

819
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 3: push it under the carpet, under the under the bed

820
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 3: or whatever.

821
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 1: Internally.

822
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 3: So for me, Ayahua Oscar was actually going back into that,

823
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 3: unlocking that dealing with that trauma, that intimate trauma which

824
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 3: I did on that throughout had four ceremonies and it

825
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 3: was really unraveling all that trauma and taking you know,

826
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 3: for me, it was about the fact that I created

827
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 3: this whole story in my head about me being the

828
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 3: victim and pour me and everything else, which we do

829
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 3: as humans. We're great at being victims. But for me,

830
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 3: it was about going into that situation starting to have

831
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 3: some compassion for the chimp that attacked me on that day.

832
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 3: I'm one that went into its arena. It didn't come

833
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 3: looking for me, you know, I was the one that

834
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 3: was threatening. It's young, you know, and I started to

835
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 3: have so much compassion for that chimp. It took me

836
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 3: out of being a victim and it made me a

837
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,240
Speaker 3: part of the scenario as opposed to the focal point

838
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 3: of it. And there's a lot of things that happened

839
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 3: in you know that that won't go into because it

840
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 3: was a long, long journey. But for me, it was

841
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 3: like I came out of that and I was at peace.

842
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 3: I then started to look back at how that, you know,

843
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 3: trauma at a ten year old when you're ten has

844
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 3: really or any when you're young, has a very damaging effect,

845
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 3: and it does steer and change your life dramatically. I

846
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 3: didn't even realize what it was doing, but it was causing.

847
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 1: Me a lot of.

848
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 3: Pushing me into a lot of negative situations until I

849
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:52,240
Speaker 3: actually dealt with that. When it comes to trauma, people

850
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 3: struggle actually moving forward because they're fighting to be the

851
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 3: person they used to be and because of that traumatic incident,

852
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 3: not that person anymore. Stop, you know, and the more

853
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 3: you fight to be who you are, the more frustration

854
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 3: and confusion there's going to be. So really, for me,

855
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 3: ayahuasca it's an ancient plant medicine used by Native Indians

856
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 3: for hundreds of years and it really helps them to

857
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 3: sort of have a deep dive into themselves. And for me,

858
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 3: it was about unlocking that trauma. So, you know, I

859
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 3: still feel I've got a lot of work to do.

860
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 3: I want to go back and do the process again.

861
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 3: But it is like having you know, talking to the

862
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 3: lads and the and the girls that went there who

863
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 3: were military veterans. They were like this is like having

864
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 3: two years of therapy in one session.

865
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Speaker 2: M hm M.

866
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Speaker 1: So it's incredible. There's a where where I'm studying at

867
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: Monash University. There's a.

868
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 2: Part of I'm going to think called Brian Park, and

869
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 2: there's a whole there's a whole team working on plant

870
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 2: medicines and psilocybin and their applications for potentially for therapeutic.

871
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,879
Speaker 1: Benefits. I think we're going to see. I think we're

872
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: going to see some of.

873
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 2: These medicines that are not really conventional in Western countries

874
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 2: and not really accepted. I think over time they're going

875
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 2: to become more accepted and more understood. I think at

876
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 2: the moment there's a lot of and I'm not I

877
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 2: don't even pretend to understand it, but everyone. It's funny

878
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 2: because one of my best friends comes on this show

879
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 2: a bit. He's also he was in the military. He's Irish.

880
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 2: His name's Paul Taylor, and he also was in the

881
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 2: middle of a fair bit of crap and yeah, he

882
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 2: did the same and he speaks about it with reverence,

883
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 2: and you know, it's there's so much much about the

884
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 2: human condition, and you know, even even just the brain,

885
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 2: like and I literally study in a place called which

886
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:12,399
Speaker 2: is the neuroscience department in Monash University at the laboratory

887
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 2: is called Brain Park, and there I'm the dumbest person there,

888
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 2: right And but and even those all those people with

889
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 2: three PhDs and professors and everyone's still figuring out the brain.

890
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: I mean, we think we know.

891
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 2: You know, we know more than we used to, but

892
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 2: we're still fucking scratching our heads and opening doors and

893
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 2: understanding and poking at things and trying to figure stuff out.

894
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: So and I think there's also, you.

895
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 2: Know, one of the pro one of the challenges I

896
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 2: reckon to Ollie is that some things that work don't

897
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 2: with our current level of understanding in science. They don't

898
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 2: in inverted commas make sense, but nonetheless they work right,

899
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 2: And so people are very skeptical. If you can't see it,

900
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 2: feel it, touch at me, you know, analyze it, put

901
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 2: it under a microscope, well it's it's it's you know,

902
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 2: it's it's not real or it's not working, or it's

903
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 2: just it's a pluce e bow or you know. I

904
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 2: wanted to ask you because I didn't could could you?

905
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,879
Speaker 2: How did you get into like? How on Earth does

906
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 2: one come to rescue kids from child prostitution and slavery, Like,

907
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 2: how did that even arise?

908
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, another good question mate, But I was actually I'm

909
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 3: a big you know this word coincidence.

910
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: I don't believe in that word.

911
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 3: I think things happened for a reason, and some of

912
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 3: the things when I look back, you know, I was

913
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 3: actually at a party in Australia in Brisbane. You know,

914
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 3: bear in mind this is what some twenty odd years

915
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 3: after I passed my Special Forces selection. Anyway, I was

916
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 3: introduced to a guy that was from the UK there

917
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 3: who used to be in the middle you know. Someone said, oh,

918
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 3: he's in the military, you know, and come and meet Simon.

919
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 3: And then I went to meet Simon. As soon as

920
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:11,959
Speaker 3: he opened his mouth, I remember, it took me back

921
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 3: to some kind of traumatic event in my life. And

922
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 3: then I started to think, I remember that voice from

923
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 3: Special Forces selection and he was one of my interrogators.

924
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: Oh that's great. Yeah.

925
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 3: So this is like twenty twenty five years later and

926
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 3: I'm like, no way were you? And I was like,

927
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 3: then we worked out the dates and I went Jesus Christ,

928
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 3: you would you talk me through selection? You were one

929
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 3: of those horrible people that you know, the final part

930
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 3: of my selection.

931
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 1: You put me through and you're welcome. You're welcome, yeah yeah,

932
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, Now get me a beer. Yeah.

933
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 3: So so then it was like, you know, obviously we

934
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 3: were connected from that moment, but he was like, then

935
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 3: start to tell me about an organization in Australia called

936
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 3: the Gray Man that was rescuing kids from child prostitution

937
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 3: and slavery, and you know, I was like straight away,

938
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 3: you know, my ears pricked up. I'd come over to Australia,

939
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,959
Speaker 3: start to do working property and stuff like that, start

940
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 3: to get this stability, and there was almost a there

941
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 3: was the desire to sort of get back on the

942
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 3: tools and then be the drive because it was helping kids.

943
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 3: And then see then being told I was then went

944
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 3: to someone's house where there was a presentation about you know, uh,

945
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 3: the issue, which is is human trafficking, and it was like,

946
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 3: you know the fact that these kids are sold by

947
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 3: their parents was just for me. Then I had to

948
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 3: go and do something about it because you know, I

949
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 3: complained about my dad not being that emotional as a kid,

950
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 3: not getting a hug. He didn't sell me into the

951
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 3: skin trade, so he's not that bad a bloke, you know, yeah,

952
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 3: and that really that I was like driven. I feel

953
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 3: that was almost like my destiny. You know, It's like

954
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 3: that was the universe helping I feel my life. Looking

955
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 3: looking back, you know, my purpose was in this straight

956
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 3: line moving forward to helping people in life. I got

957
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 3: veered off, which I think it was an essential part

958
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 3: of my journey to go off and do the Special

959
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 3: Forces and everything I learned, all that training. You know,

960
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter, it wasn't my purpose. But then it

961
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 3: took me back round. I then tripped over this thing,

962
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 3: and that was the gray Man. It then triggered me

963
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 3: back into driving me or making me understand what my

964
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 3: true purpose was.

965
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 1: But it learnt.

966
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 3: It helped me to have all these skills under my belt,

967
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 3: which without without that, I wouldn't be able to do

968
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 3: the things that I was going to do to help

969
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 3: these kids. You know, I wouldn't have been on that

970
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 3: mission if I wasn't the next Special Forces soldier.

971
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: You know.

972
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 3: Then you know, because and that's why you said before,

973
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 3: you know, you alluded to the fact you've probably got

974
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 3: no regrets. I have no regrets just because I went

975
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 3: off track a little bit. I had to do that,

976
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 3: and I had to do that to really you know,

977
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 3: it helped me grow in so many ways and obviously

978
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 3: taught me a few skills that are handy.

979
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 1: But you know, it then brought me back to.

980
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:04,240
Speaker 3: That that situation in Thailand and then for the TV stuff.

981
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: You know, when I came over to the UK.

982
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 3: You know, my sole intention was like I had nothing,

983
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,879
Speaker 3: I was broken, I was in a bad place, and

984
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 3: you know, in my head, right, I've got this thing

985
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 3: this is you know, I want to I want to

986
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 3: start this company called break Point, And I said before

987
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,720
Speaker 3: the mission statement to create a globally identified brand recognized

988
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 3: for the positive growth and development of others. You imagine

989
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 3: what my internal brain is saying when I'm drinking too much,

990
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 3: you know, taking valid to all sorts of abusive stuff,

991
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 3: you know, this self destruction. My head is absolutely look

992
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 3: at you. Who the hell do you think you are?

993
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 3: How can you help anyone else? And that's what we do.

994
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 3: You know, that's what happens you if you allow that

995
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 3: to consume you, you become a victim of your emotions,

996
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 3: you know, and that for me was so important at

997
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 3: that time. Yeah, okay, I understand that, but I'm casting

998
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 3: the stone of who I want to be and not

999
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 3: who I am, you know, And that was so important

1000
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 3: for me to do that. And then, you know, three months,

1001
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 3: I lot myself away to change the blueprint of who

1002
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 3: I was. Meditation and visualization, everything I did on a

1003
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 3: daily basis. I switched off the TV, didn't buy a newspaper,

1004
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 3: and I just focused on me for three months. After

1005
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 3: three months, I didn't recognize myself the person I was

1006
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 3: that I went in there. And towards the back end

1007
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 3: of that, I suddenly get a phone call, do you

1008
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 3: want to be on this TV show? It was like

1009
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:19,839
Speaker 3: a gift from God. It was like, oh my god,

1010
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 3: this is incredible. That was then the platform that was

1011
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 3: going to give me a voice. It was going to

1012
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 3: create my exposure to do what I'm doing today. You know,

1013
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 3: And I look back at that, Is that all coincidence?

1014
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 3: If you think it's a coincidence in your life? Is

1015
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 3: a coincidence? And these things happen and you don't analyze

1016
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 3: them and wonder why they're happening, then you're missing out.

1017
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 1: What are you? Was that? Mate?

1018
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 3: Well, they're coming back into Yeah, there are three months

1019
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 3: and then the t they offer, Yeah, twenty fourteen, I

1020
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 3: came back. I put myself into I've got a job

1021
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,720
Speaker 3: as soon as I came back, and then I doing

1022
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 3: some stuff in London and then went right I was

1023
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,320
Speaker 3: getting lost into it and in living, you know, and

1024
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 3: I said, right now, I'm going to stop this. I

1025
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 3: put myself in the house in December twenty fourteen, and

1026
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 3: it was it was February twenty fifteen when I actually

1027
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:12,839
Speaker 3: sort of left left the house. I'd left the house

1028
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 3: to go out of exercise and buy stuff. But it

1029
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 3: was two, you know, early twenty fifteen in February when

1030
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 3: I left and got the opportunity to start the TV

1031
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 3: show Did You?

1032
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: And it was just you didn't do that as part

1033
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: of the program. You did that by yourself. I did

1034
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 1: that by myself.

1035
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 3: But I basically I was I was pulling in all

1036
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 3: kinds of resources, you know, it was my I was

1037
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 3: pulling all kinds of stuff, so all my visualization and everything.

1038
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 3: I was learning from different parts of you know, I

1039
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 3: found on Google and stuff like that.

1040
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: Bob Proctor, who was I don't know if everyone I

1041
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 1: know who Bob Procter is. He's old school, yeah but great, yeah, yeah.

1042
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 3: So Bob proc to I, you know, I invested heavily,

1043
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 3: and I still I'm actually trained to be a Bob

1044
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 3: Proctor consultant almost. I think next week I'll get my

1045
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 3: final assessment. And he was massively incremental in everything, you know,

1046
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 3: just having that positive mindset, understand that we are energy,

1047
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 3: Understand that visualization the power positive thought. You know, I've

1048
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 3: had some crazy experiences in my life to prove that

1049
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 3: that power of visualization, that power positive thought has so

1050
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,919
Speaker 3: much merit. You know, it's not voodoo, it's not woo woo,

1051
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 3: it's absolutely you know, a lot of people go through

1052
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 3: life being negative. Everything, every word that comes out their

1053
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 3: mouth is negative, and they have ended up with negative

1054
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 3: outcomes and everything. And then they look at people like

1055
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 3: myself and probably yourself, Craig, who do you know, believe

1056
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 3: in the positivity and visualization and say, oh, that's a

1057
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 3: load of rubbish. I'm quite happy, like you know, having

1058
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 3: this repeat habit loop of absolutely nothing. But for me,

1059
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 3: anyone out there that doesn't believe that yet absolutely missing out.

1060
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 2: What was it like opening the door on because obviously

1061
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 2: it didn't set out to be a TV star And

1062
00:52:57,680 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 2: I mean I wouldn't really call you that like a

1063
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 2: TV personality because I think you kind of pretty much,

1064
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 2: you know, as close as you can on a reality

1065
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 2: in inverted commas. Like I said, I was watching you before.

1066
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 2: This is me pumping up my own tires here look

1067
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 2: at me. But before it used to be on SBS

1068
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,800
Speaker 2: in Australia at like some weird time right, like I

1069
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 2: don't know eleven o'clock when it because nobody had heard

1070
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 2: of it. It got no promotion and I stumbled across

1071
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 2: it and I'm like, this is fucking great, Like this

1072
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 2: is this is like actual reality TV. And I know

1073
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 2: there's still an element of whatever, but it to me,

1074
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 2: I loved it. I loved you, I loved all of

1075
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 2: the boys.

1076
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 1: It was great.

1077
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 2: And what was it like? Did you have to was

1078
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 2: there any instruction? Was there any like how I mean.

1079
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've been asked this a million times.

1080
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 2: I don't want to ask it, but how how much

1081
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 2: influenced did directors and producers and lighting people and all

1082
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 2: that shit have or were you Well did you kind

1083
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 2: of do your thing and they just worked around you?

1084
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, well the latter of what you've just said there really,

1085
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 3: I mean, they came in, they did the framework, they

1086
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 3: sourced everything from the internet, which is important because we've

1087
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 3: signed a disclosure agreement, which is the Secrecy Act, so

1088
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 3: it's important that they built that framework. Then they approached

1089
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 3: they looked out in the world for Special Forces ex

1090
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 3: Special Forces soldiers and came across myself and the other

1091
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 3: three lands. But really that was the beauty of the

1092
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 3: show initially in the UK that sas who des Wins

1093
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 3: that you know they did. They were the experts at

1094
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 3: filming and doing the edit. We were the subject matter

1095
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 3: experts when it came to the content. So really for

1096
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 3: us to go in there, we've got to make it

1097
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 3: as authentic as possible. Otherwise we would not be on

1098
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 3: that show. We wouldn't do it.

1099
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 1: So it's do that.

1100
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 3: We're going to do this a little bit differently, however,

1101
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 3: we're going to do it. So we had so much

1102
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 3: input in the early days. When I say the early days,

1103
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 3: as time went on with Sasuds winds in the UK,

1104
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 3: that slowly got drawn away from us. We slowly got

1105
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 3: pushed further away from the narrative. And that really for

1106
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 3: me is when I started to lose my interest in it.

1107
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 3: I was not enjoying it. I was enduring it, and

1108
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 3: that really was you know, it's like had no. I

1109
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 3: almost felt like when I was going away to do

1110
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 3: the film and it was like I was like, well,

1111
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 3: this is like a month or two months out of

1112
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 3: my business. You know, my business would sit still, and

1113
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 3: that's always the focus for me. The TV stuff really

1114
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 3: is a sideshow. But that is why it's been so

1115
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 3: brilliant to come over and be in Australia, because the

1116
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 3: Australian one goes back to those early days of what

1117
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 3: we did initially. You know, it's such a marriage. Now,

1118
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 3: it's such a great partnership because they absolutely love the

1119
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 3: content that we bring. We help direct everything. They listened

1120
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 3: to us, We listened to them. They come up with

1121
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 3: some great ideas and we reject some we don't and

1122
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 3: it's a real you know, at the end of the day,

1123
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 3: we come up with something that's absolutely amazing, and the

1124
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 3: show like that has to have that relationship. You can't

1125
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 3: have one side, either side saying this is how it

1126
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 3: must be done. But really the show itself is I

1127
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 3: don't think there's many shows like it. It is the

1128
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 3: fly on the wall, you know, with the cameras. The

1129
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 3: cameras just work around us and there's a real relationship

1130
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 3: we have, you know, an ant. It's really strict. It's

1131
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 3: you know, making sure that the TV crew and everyone

1132
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 3: and the media people do not enter that bubble. We

1133
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 3: call it that bubble. You know, we've got to make

1134
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 3: sure it's clinical, it's sterile. You know, these celebrities that

1135
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 3: turn up, it's so funny when you see them on

1136
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 3: day one and looking over their shoulder for makeup and

1137
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 3: a latte and it doesn't turn up.

1138
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what.

1139
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 2: Some that come on, I'm like, fuck, you're going to

1140
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:53,399
Speaker 2: last to a lunchtime if you're lucky and invariably. I mean,

1141
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,959
Speaker 2: has there been And for people who don't watch the show,

1142
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:00,839
Speaker 2: this will be a redundant question, but yeah, has there

1143
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:05,320
Speaker 2: been one person in all the series, the series Comma

1144
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:10,240
Speaker 2: that you've done that you think that that really stood

1145
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 2: out as being genuinely mentally physically tough.

1146
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 1: And if the answer is no, that's cool. But was

1147
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 1: there a person or a couple of people that were

1148
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: legitimately like really hard asses?

1149
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1150
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:30,479
Speaker 1: I mean the Badger he was absolutely incredible. The Honey Badger. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1151
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 1: the Honey Badger he was brilliant.

1152
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 3: You know, he was one of those guys that you knew,

1153
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 3: unless he has an injury, is going to absolutely smash this,

1154
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. It's like, but you know,

1155
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 3: there's been lots of lots of people that have have

1156
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 3: that show is amazing.

1157
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you why.

1158
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 3: The reason I love the celebrity version is the fact

1159
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 3: that we create or we have you know, this is

1160
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 3: then fueled by the media as well. But we and

1161
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 3: themselves of course, we have a perception of who that

1162
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 3: celebrity is, is how they operate, how they you know,

1163
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 3: what their what their characters like, everything else. They then

1164
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 3: come onto that show and that show is probably the

1165
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 3: first time, especially as a celebrity, you haven't got the

1166
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 3: ability to design the perfect outcome. That's taken away from you.

1167
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 3: They're put into a sense of vulnerable situations where they

1168
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 3: feel vulnerable. They've got this you know, this this sense

1169
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 3: of anxiety because they don't know what's going on. And

1170
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 3: when that happens, ego is gone. It's like ran out

1171
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 3: of there as quickly as possible. So what then, what

1172
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 3: then happens is their thoughts, their feelings, their reactions become

1173
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 3: extremely organic, they become raw that then they start to

1174
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 3: be able to look at themselves who they really are

1175
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 3: without the influence of ego and designing that perfect outcome. Now,

1176
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 3: that's why you get so much emotion on the show,

1177
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 3: and that is so relative to Special Forces selection that

1178
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 3: that is the most parallel thing that there is on

1179
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 3: that show. You know, it's the fact that we strip

1180
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 3: them down. They're beare naked when it comes to who

1181
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 3: they are as a person. But the reason I like

1182
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 3: the celebty version is because we know what we think

1183
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 3: they are when they come in. They they think there's

1184
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 3: something before they come in. That process absolutely rinses and

1185
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 3: changes them. They come out the side a different person

1186
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 3: and people can see that transformation happening. And it's absolutely

1187
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 3: incredible how that works. And the only people that do

1188
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 3: get through that show are the ones that drop that

1189
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 3: ego or you have no choice but to drop the ego.

1190
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 3: But they're there for themselves. They're there for themselves and

1191
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 3: no one else. You know, they might turn up on

1192
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 3: day one think I'm going to smash it on the

1193
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 3: alpha male or you know, a female, but you know

1194
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 3: very quickly, A they understand they've got to work with

1195
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 3: everyone else around them to get through this, and B

1196
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 3: you've got to forget the outside world because you're so

1197
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 3: under pressure that becomes irrelevant.

1198
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 2: Before you and I went live, we chatted a little

1199
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 2: bit about my study.

1200
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 1: You asked me a couple of questions and what was

1201
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 1: I going to say?

1202
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I explained to you what external self awareness is,

1203
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,959
Speaker 2: you know, your ability to kind of understand what it's

1204
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 2: like being around Oli. What do you what do you

1205
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 2: think the OLLI experiences for others? How do you think

1206
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 2: it is to be around you? I know that's a

1207
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 2: loaded question, and by this, I don't mean do you

1208
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 2: think people like you?

1209
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 1: I don't mean do you think they like you?

1210
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 2: And I mean what do you think the because part

1211
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 2: of this comes from, like I used to think people

1212
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 2: saw me a certain way, and I discovered early on

1213
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 2: that they actually a lot of people saw me a

1214
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 2: different way. So I had to be not changed who

1215
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 2: I was, but be aware of because I used to

1216
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 2: get with you. I don't know if you've got I'm

1217
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 2: sure you have with your background. People used to tell

1218
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 2: me a lot that I was intimidating, and I'm like,

1219
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 2: but I don't at all. I've never felt intimidating. If anything,

1220
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 2: I've felt intimidated like I've felt insecure and people like, no,

1221
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 2: you're intimidating. I'm like, how the fuck am I intimidating?

1222
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 2: Like I just want everyone to love me. I'm seeing scure,

1223
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 2: Like I'm not scary at all, but that, And when

1224
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 2: i'd lecture university students or whatever, which I did a

1225
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 2: bit of that, you know, I'd get that, yeah, like

1226
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 2: they like you, but they're a bit scared. Have you

1227
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 2: have you had to adjust or have you had insight

1228
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 2: into you that shocked you?

1229
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit, mate, But I mean I think related.

1230
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 3: That's an interesting point, you know, because I find that

1231
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 3: interesting that It's like we become the mirror image, don't

1232
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 3: we of ourselves?

1233
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 1: You know?

1234
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 3: We we put out there, you know, like you said, there,

1235
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 3: you've you've you were the one that felt intimidated, but

1236
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 3: you outwardly put the intimidation out to others. It's all

1237
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 3: almost like a mirror reflection what's going on insides. It's

1238
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 3: really interesting that. But you know, when I I've always thought,

1239
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 3: and I know this throughout my career. You know, obviously

1240
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 3: I've got the wealth of experience behind me now, but

1241
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 3: is the fact that I've always so so resonates with

1242
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 3: me when I when I say to myself that I

1243
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 3: am not everyone's cup of tea, I'm you shot of whiskey,

1244
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 3: and that when I say that, I know that I

1245
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:30,959
Speaker 3: am fairly intense. I also, you know, I'm quite sure

1246
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 3: as well a lot of you know, sometimes a lot

1247
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 3: of a lot of people feel like I'm straight to

1248
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 3: the point. I can't be doing with the bullshit, you

1249
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 3: know what I mean, I can't be doing with the

1250
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 3: fluff around the situation or something that needs doing. So

1251
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 3: I'm very direct when it comes to, you know, everyone,

1252
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 3: When I send some texts out to the people that

1253
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 3: work with me and don't I even get.

1254
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 1: A good morning, I'm I'm just trying to get something done, you.

1255
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 2: Know, tips like that, I've got to butter up. I've

1256
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 2: got to send a three or four compliments exactly right.

1257
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 3: It's a warmers before. But yeah, I'd say that I'm

1258
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 3: extremely to the point. But really, I honestly, and I

1259
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 3: think this comes down to, you know, I look at

1260
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 3: leadership and stuff like that. I think it's I saw

1261
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:11,440
Speaker 3: something the other day that really resonated to me, and

1262
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 3: that's the fact that some leaders think that the best

1263
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 3: thing that they've got to do is get everyone to

1264
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 3: think how good they are. And that is to some

1265
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 3: respect true. But someone is someone that's an exceptional leader

1266
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 3: has got to get the people around him to think

1267
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 3: of how good they are themselves, you know. And I

1268
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 3: am always trying to get the best out of people,

1269
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 3: you know. Anyway I've you know, since I've had a business,

1270
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:39,919
Speaker 3: I've fallen out with more people than I've ever fallen

1271
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 3: out within my life. And it's like anyone that comes

1272
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:43,920
Speaker 3: into the fold with me, I want to get the

1273
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 3: best out of them. I want to really drain, you know,

1274
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 3: show them the opportunities. Because I've in the last what

1275
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 3: seven eight years, my life has changed dramatically, you know.

1276
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 3: And before that, I was bouncing around all over the place,

1277
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 3: not having a clue where I was going, what I

1278
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 3: was doing, or who I was. And now I've you know,

1279
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 3: this awakening that I had in twenty fourteen, I now

1280
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 3: wanted people. When I see people and I know that

1281
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 3: they're in that same place I used to be, I

1282
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 3: want to help them. I want to get them out

1283
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 3: of that and shake the Some people aren't that way inclined,

1284
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 3: so that when I've tried I can be a little

1285
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 3: bit intense, I can expect too much of people. I

1286
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 3: know that, but really, you know, at the end of

1287
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:30,480
Speaker 3: the day, I also and someone that I just want

1288
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 3: to have a lot of fun, and that is why

1289
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:35,280
Speaker 3: I create around me. I don't call it work as such.

1290
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 3: I create an environment. I don't have people working for me.

1291
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 3: They work with me. And yeah, I just if anyone

1292
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 3: thinks I'm a pain in the ass and they're in

1293
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Speaker 3: the wrong business.

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Speaker 1: We have.

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Speaker 2: We have a guy on once a fortnite called David

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Speaker 2: Gillespie who's actually a lawyer by qualification, but he's a

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Speaker 2: researcher and he does a lot of It's written about

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Speaker 2: twenty books over here, a lot of best sellers. Really

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Speaker 2: good dude, And every fortnight he comes on and talks

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Speaker 2: about a range of stuff. And last time, not last time,

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Speaker 2: the time before, we spoke about sociopaths, and which I'm

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Speaker 2: sure you've dealt with quite a few on both sides

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Speaker 2: of the fence. He suggested that I just want to

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Speaker 2: know how you feel about this number I'm about to

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Speaker 2: wheel out whether or not you think it's over or

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Speaker 2: under or right. So he said that the average percent

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Speaker 2: about three percent of the population are sociopaths, not psychopaths,

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Speaker 2: but sociopaths as in don't really feel anything for people,

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Speaker 2: have no compassion, no empathy. It's about three percent of

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Speaker 2: sociopaths the average. The percentage in prisons generally is closer

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Speaker 2: to twenty percent, and the percentage of leaders and CEOs

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Speaker 2: is closer to twenty percent.

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Speaker 3: I'd say that's about spot on, But I reckon, I reckon,

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Speaker 3: to be honest, there's more sociopaths than three percent out there.

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of people just sugarcoat who they are. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know, when the ship hits the fan and the

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Speaker 3: pressure is on, they become sociopaths.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the thing too, is oli And we'll

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Speaker 2: wind up on this because I know you've got to go,

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Speaker 2: but we you know, some some sociopaths are really charismatic

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Speaker 2: and charming and highly intelligent and gregarious and they can

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Speaker 2: fucking turn it on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you what, mate, I've heard this before

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Speaker 3: that you know they relate to good people of a

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Speaker 3: good number of people in the special forces as that narrative.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, there you go.

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Speaker 2: Well, we appreciate you, sir, so thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for your time. Now the name of your company is

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Speaker 2: don't tell me Breakpoint.

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Speaker 1: The name of your book is Breakpoint. You've written a.

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Speaker 2: Couple How do people find you, follow you, connect with you.

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Speaker 2: We have quite a few listeners in the UK as well,

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Speaker 2: but I'm sure you can do online stuff around the

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Speaker 2: world or at least connect with people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, that's a big thing we're engaging in now. We're

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Speaker 3: actually taking everything online. So you know, if anyone, I

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Speaker 3: think the best place for anyone to go is to Google.

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Speaker 3: Google putting Oliolton, s A s, whose airs wins or

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Speaker 3: just Oli Olton. You'll find me on there. But Instagram

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Speaker 3: Oli dot Olerton and yeah you'll you'll find all the

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Speaker 3: channels there, all the website Oliolaton dot co dot UK.

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Speaker 1: Perfect. Stay there.

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Speaker 2: We'll say goodbye off here, but thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for your time, mate.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate you. Thank you, it's been a pleasure talking

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Speaker 1: to you great and to you tiff thank you, thank you,

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Speaker 1: Thanks Tiffany and Cook. Thanks everyone,