Speaker 1: I I boris and this is straight talk.
Speaker 2: Forty percent of athletes so they were taking or had
Speaker 2: taken performance enhancing drugs at the Olympic Games.
Speaker 1: Miss off. James magnusm Weldo to stray tool mate.
Speaker 3: Thanks Mark.
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about the new Olympics
Speaker 1: as you're going to.
Speaker 3: So it's called the Enhanced Games.
Speaker 2: Essentially, this is a conversion of the Olympics without drug testing.
Speaker 2: This is an exercise in pushing human ability, human physiology.
Speaker 1: The other other things are on top of testosterone yea.
Speaker 2: So testosterone peptides themselves, some other growth hormone or anabolic
Speaker 2: type substances. This endeavor can actually advance humanity. You come
Speaker 2: on board. You break that world record. The million US
Speaker 2: is yours, which was a nice upside because I little
Speaker 2: did he.
Speaker 3: Now I meant a million? How you do?
Speaker 1: But James magnusm Welldernes straight tool mate. Thanks Mark, haven't
Speaker 1: seen you for a long long time.
Speaker 3: It's been a minute.
Speaker 1: I wring you've grown about three inches the taller.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the first thing everyone said, is I'm serious.
Speaker 3: Yeah I haven't. I haven't been trying to grow yet.
Speaker 1: But when I would have maybe six seven years ago.
Speaker 1: How old?
Speaker 3: Yeah, thirty three, so.
Speaker 1: You would have been in your twenties, mid twenties.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you think I was newly retired.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you just had You're still pretty fresh
Speaker 1: or only young relatively speaking. I'm probably old enough for
Speaker 1: a swimmer.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Howy you feeling about Olympics coming up? But how do
Speaker 1: you feel?
Speaker 3: Very excited? I'm heading over for the coverage.
Speaker 2: I'm working for News Court yep, so I'll be doing
Speaker 2: I'll be writing and then doing a bit of stuff
Speaker 2: with Fox Sports as well.
Speaker 3: So I'm punped.
Speaker 1: You actually like as a journalist, Yes, so you'll be
Speaker 1: writing up the events. All the events were just swimming,
Speaker 1: but all.
Speaker 2: The events, all the big events, opinion pieces across the
Speaker 2: whole games swimming. I guess I'll do a bit in
Speaker 2: the second week, but probably the games generally, you know, events,
Speaker 2: the reaction of fans. Think Maddie John's and I are
Speaker 2: going to be doing some alternative content in the second week.
Speaker 2: That's a formula. He's a lot of fun, he is,
Speaker 2: and he's a massive Olympics enthusiast actually.
Speaker 1: And quite bright in that he would know from previous
Speaker 1: Olympics and previously he'll go back and in his memory
Speaker 1: is crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got the history crazy.
Speaker 1: In terms of stats and information and not just on Olympics,
Speaker 1: like on all sorts of stuff, music, whatever, Like his
Speaker 1: category memory recall is crazy.
Speaker 2: He gave me some advice around working in the media
Speaker 2: and doing radio and all that sort of stuff, and
Speaker 2: his methods for memory retention and information and retention are
Speaker 2: pretty impressive.
Speaker 1: Well, he's a bit of a fanatic when it comes
Speaker 1: down to prep. So his prep process is he still
Speaker 1: writes notes, physically writes notes like Old. He doesn't use
Speaker 1: a laptop running, but he will spend hours prepping for
Speaker 1: something like and it's all about preparation and probably goes
Speaker 1: back to his footy career because he was never the
Speaker 1: most Andrew will be listeners, but he was never the
Speaker 1: most talented footballer. But he was a big prepper and
Speaker 1: which made him a great football I'm talking about natural
Speaker 1: talent versus being a good footballer. And you know that.
Speaker 1: Old Sorry, like so many people around the world with
Speaker 1: talent never end up doing anything. But he obviously had talent,
Speaker 1: but he didn't have the same sort of talents as Joey.
Speaker 1: But Mattie's ability to prep was crazy, and you know,
Speaker 1: his attention to detail was very, very good. So he's
Speaker 1: You're in good company going off to the Olympics. When
Speaker 1: you get on your only thirty three, he's still young.
Speaker 1: When you get off to these Olympics and you know
Speaker 1: you're inmparison, I mean, do you sort of get a
Speaker 1: bit itchy and think fark? You know, like you know,
Speaker 1: I wish I was there. I mean, I know that
Speaker 1: you're older now, but you know, like actually going in
Speaker 1: the fifty meters for his style or something like that, do
Speaker 1: you actually get in the room lay with the really team.
Speaker 1: Do you get it was a bit weird?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely, Maybe less so this one because now
Speaker 2: I'm prepping for something myself. But I retired at twenty seven,
Speaker 2: not necessarily through necessity, but more I wanted to retire
Speaker 2: on my own terms. That's that's from the moment I
Speaker 2: deboot on the Australian team, I said to my parents
Speaker 2: and those close to me, I want to date, I
Speaker 2: want to retire.
Speaker 3: On my own terms.
Speaker 2: But also just the sport generally wears down on you.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of time left to your own thoughts.
Speaker 2: It can be very lonely sport at times, and you know,
Speaker 2: I was a professional for ten years and that was enough.
Speaker 2: I was going to drive myself insane if.
Speaker 3: I kept to me.
Speaker 2: But physically I still had the attributes to go on.
Speaker 2: So yeah, when it comes to the Olympics, that's pretty
Speaker 2: much the only time that I get itchy feet is
Speaker 2: when I watched that that one hundred free or that
Speaker 2: four by one free. So I really I just still
Speaker 2: think physically I could probably still do this, and that's
Speaker 2: that's the arena I missed. I don't miss the training.
Speaker 2: I don't miss the early mornings. I don't miss being
Speaker 2: told what to do every day by coach, even aspects
Speaker 2: of traveling with the swim team. By the time I retired,
Speaker 2: I was twenty seven. Swimmings a young man's sport, as
Speaker 2: there's eighteen year olds on the team, you know, and
Speaker 2: a generation had passed since I debuted. So some of
Speaker 2: my initiations to the team with you know, guys were
Speaker 2: around in the Sydney Olympics were very different to when
Speaker 2: I came on the you know, went ten years down
Speaker 2: the track. Kids on the team, you know, it was
Speaker 2: much more about PlayStation and artistic photography and they have
Speaker 2: very different interest to me. And when I went on tour,
Speaker 2: I wanted to do very different things to what these
Speaker 2: young kids wanted to do. And slowly, as those athletes
Speaker 2: my age started to retire or were beaten, basically beaten
Speaker 2: out of the team, he saw of look around and go,
Speaker 2: I don't have much in common with these other people
Speaker 2: on the team, And I think partly it keeps you young,
Speaker 2: but also when you're mature, it's very different to other
Speaker 2: sports where you know, football teams, you spend all year
Speaker 2: with the team, so you have shared interests, you have
Speaker 2: a shared goal, all that kind of thing. By the
Speaker 2: time I retired, I was pretty much the only professional
Speaker 2: swimmer left in Sydney, and I was the only one
Speaker 2: on the team of my age, and so it was, yeah,
Speaker 2: a little bit lonely towards the end there.
Speaker 1: For me, swimming is a lonely sport irrespective. I mean,
Speaker 1: you can't talk to you when you're doing a fifteen
Speaker 1: hundred warm up looking at black line. You can't talk
Speaker 1: to the blade next to you. Yeah, you can have
Speaker 1: a giggle at the end of the fifteen hundred, but
Speaker 1: then the coaches off again, Who's a coach. Your coach
Speaker 1: in the Olympics, your last Olympics.
Speaker 2: My last Olympics was Mitch Fauve. So I was swimming
Speaker 2: here in Sydney up at Ravenswood.
Speaker 1: So who was the Australian.
Speaker 2: Australian coach was Jaco Vaharant right from the les and
Speaker 2: again like he have very different methodologies, come from another country.
Speaker 2: The whole scope of the team had changed a lot,
Speaker 2: and society generally has changed in that ten year time.
Speaker 2: My day booted in twenty ten, retired in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2: You know, a whole different culture had emerged.
Speaker 3: In that time.
Speaker 2: But I am old school, you know. I come from
Speaker 2: a football background and a football upbringing, and my mentality
Speaker 2: was very different. And by the time I retired, people
Speaker 2: you know he used to say to me, oh, how
Speaker 2: did you end up with a lot of sponsors, a
Speaker 2: lot of limelight? All that stuff I said. From the
Speaker 2: time my day boots to the time I retired, I
Speaker 2: was always a straight shooter. If I was going into
Speaker 2: a race, I always expected of myself that I would win.
Speaker 2: And if you asked me an interview, what's the outcome
Speaker 2: of you? What's your desired outcome?
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 2: I said, I'm here to win, and you know, put
Speaker 2: a lot of pressure on myself at times, but you know,
Speaker 2: it also gave me a lot of a lot of limelight.
Speaker 2: But by the time I was retiring, every interview was
Speaker 2: you know, they're asking people, you know, what are you
Speaker 2: what are you here for or whatever. I'm just happy
Speaker 2: to be here, happy to be a part of this team.
Speaker 2: You know, my dream was to go to the Olympics.
Speaker 2: Now I'm here, so anything beyond that's a bonus. And
Speaker 2: I always used to sit there, go bullshit, bullshit. No
Speaker 2: one wants to come to the Olympics and make a
Speaker 2: semi final. If you're on the Australian swim team and
Speaker 2: you're at the Olympic Games, I, as a member of
Speaker 2: the public, now have an expectation of you, as an
Speaker 2: Australian swimmer, to be on that diace. We're the best
Speaker 2: swimming nation in the world. One of the smallest swimming
Speaker 2: nations in the world, but we're the best, make no
Speaker 2: mistakes about that. And I used to I found it,
Speaker 2: found it tough towards the end of my career, you know,
Speaker 2: being amongst a team. We're happy to be here, we're
Speaker 2: all friends. Therese people on that team that I was
Speaker 2: racing in the hundred freestyle, and I'd rather wring their
Speaker 2: neck than say I'm happy to be there next to them.
Speaker 2: But and I found that tough towards the end of
Speaker 2: my career because I am very old school.
Speaker 1: What do you think or what do you say? I
Speaker 1: should say that swimming is a young man's sport. What
Speaker 1: is it about being say nine and or twenty that
Speaker 1: gives that person an advantage over someone who, say twenty seven.
Speaker 2: The main reason in Australia particularly it's a young men's
Speaker 2: sport basically you make it by the time you're eighteen,
Speaker 2: or you quit and go and find work elsewhere Whereas
Speaker 2: in America you have the college system, so you might
Speaker 2: not be an Olympic summer by eighteen, but you go
Speaker 2: into college, you get your education paid for and you
Speaker 2: progress through so by the time you're twenty three and
Speaker 2: you're physically peaking, you're then making it onto the Olympic team.
Speaker 2: In Australia, I think athletes and coaches and parents are
Speaker 2: acutely aware that if you don't make it by a
Speaker 2: young age, there really isn't the pathways into swimming so
Speaker 2: from thirteen years of age, where absolutely whipping young kids.
Speaker 2: Thirteen year olds are doing ten sessions a week. They're
Speaker 2: starting strength and conditioning, training there, eating right, sleeping right,
Speaker 2: recovering right. If you look at junior World championships, junior
Speaker 2: world records, we dominate even more than we do at
Speaker 2: a senior level because there's not that same rush or
Speaker 2: pressure for young athletes in America because they know there's
Speaker 2: a system and they'd almost most of them would rather
Speaker 2: go through that college system than turn professional at eighteen
Speaker 2: and go to an Olympic Games. So in Australia we're
Speaker 2: in a rush from the time we're teenagers to make
Speaker 2: it onto that Australian sim team, and then we do
Speaker 2: so much workload at a young age that by the
Speaker 2: time we're mid to late twenties, our bodies are falling apart.
Speaker 1: As Finnished as either. Because one of my sons was
Speaker 1: a swimmer, and four sons, and that's interesting because he
Speaker 1: went into the trials for the Cormal Games and Victoria
Speaker 1: he was a butterfly, yep, and he was, and he
Speaker 1: went he was and he got in the B final.
Speaker 1: But I said to him, I said, mate, you're not
Speaker 1: going to make career out of this. And he was
Speaker 1: in year twelve, and I said, you might as well
Speaker 1: do you year twelve and give it, give it away.
Speaker 1: You're not going to be you're not going to be
Speaker 1: in the Call of Games team. And he gave it
Speaker 1: away for a couple of years, and of course the
Speaker 1: butterflies who beat him, the older guys, they then retired
Speaker 1: and they someone said, would come back. What's interesting is
Speaker 1: he trained so hard, like you're saying, for so many years,
Speaker 1: and by the ways, are fucking punished for me, like
Speaker 1: four point thirty summer winter fucking you know, Nationals and
Speaker 1: Perth and Darwy like it. It is the toughest game,
Speaker 1: Like it's so hard for parents as well as the kids.
Speaker 1: But probably I think it's really hard for parents. But
Speaker 1: what happened is that they trained so hard when they're young,
Speaker 1: like you were saying, you know, they're all world class,
Speaker 1: top ten, all this sort of stuff. Thirteen fourteen, fifteen sixteen.
Speaker 1: The moment you stop the development physical development and development
Speaker 1: was crazy, Like he went from a lean maybe eighty
Speaker 1: kilo maybe even less, tventy five eighty kilo, six foot
Speaker 1: one sort of seventeen eighty year old to like ninety
Speaker 1: five kilo big big legs. Yeah, not fact, just this
Speaker 1: phzzy development. He got back in the pool and he said, Dad,
Speaker 1: I'm giving away. It's like I feel like I'm a dragon,
Speaker 1: a piano by I mean one hundred butterfly or turn
Speaker 1: and fly like, oh my god. And that seems to
Speaker 1: be a problem in Australia.
Speaker 3: You're right.
Speaker 1: I mean I never thought of through like that, like
Speaker 1: Australian's boys or girls. I know so much about the girls,
Speaker 1: but the boys I've seen they do give it away
Speaker 1: about eighteen. It's really hard to get a career. And
Speaker 1: maybe our university is that the university system here in
Speaker 1: Australia doesn't do the same university system.
Speaker 3: We don't do scholarships.
Speaker 2: We might do some some partial scholarships, I say a
Speaker 2: Sydney UNI. When I originally came to Sydney when I
Speaker 2: was eighteen, I was on a scholarship at Macquarie UNI
Speaker 2: and it was four thousand dollars. It was nothing, and
Speaker 2: I was trying to live on campus. Basically, if I
Speaker 2: hadn't made on these trains swim team within that first
Speaker 2: couple of months, I probably would have had to given
Speaker 2: it away anyway because I couldn't afford to live in Sydney.
Speaker 1: So what do you think? What do you think? What
Speaker 1: would you say to the government today who run the
Speaker 1: Tertio education system, federal government, What would you say to
Speaker 1: them in terms of our swimmers for example? I know,
Speaker 1: I know Rugby union kids boys get scholarships. They used to,
Speaker 1: at least at Sydney. I don't know about now. But
Speaker 1: what would you say to the government in this regardia
Speaker 1: because we want to win?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there needs to be some sort of
Speaker 2: system set up for competition between universities because that doesn't
Speaker 2: exist at the moment.
Speaker 3: And that's that's they still have an university, don't they.
Speaker 2: They have They have a unique games which is like
Speaker 2: school is two point zero and the people that's swimming
Speaker 2: at those games aren't swimmers, right, going for a piss
Speaker 2: up on the Gold Coast They hold on the Gold
Speaker 2: Coast every year, which speaks for itself. Yeah, yeah, a
Speaker 2: lot of fun, but not real, not real swimming. So
Speaker 2: you know they have the NC Double a's and all
Speaker 2: their divisions of swimming and competing in sports over in America.
Speaker 2: If we could even even get four universities, you know,
Speaker 2: one in Queensland, one in New South Wales, one in
Speaker 2: VIC and one in w A or s A to
Speaker 2: have some sort of intercollegiate competition and provide scholarships and
Speaker 2: motive and and I guess incentives for swimmers to further
Speaker 2: their education and they're swimming, it would be golden, but
Speaker 2: proper proper scholarships, proper scholarships. Yeah, I mean and Sydney
Speaker 2: in particular, where essentially now we may have one or
Speaker 2: two swimming out at Homebush still, but we've essentially got
Speaker 2: no swimmers left in New South Wales at that elite
Speaker 2: level because it's too expensive to live in Sydney on
Speaker 2: a swimmer's salary.
Speaker 1: What about in Swiss and the all of the Victoria
Speaker 1: Institute of Support as well, but do they sort of
Speaker 1: play that role a bit.
Speaker 3: So En Swiss Now the swimming.
Speaker 2: Aspect of En Swiss has been taken over by Swimming
Speaker 2: Australia and they've redirected all their funding north.
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, so up to Queensland. Up to Queensland, and
Speaker 1: that's seems to be where the dominant swimmers are coming from.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look it's two passes. It's a climate thing. You
Speaker 2: can swim year around out there updoors. They've got a
Speaker 2: fifty meter pools up there.
Speaker 1: It makes a big difference.
Speaker 3: It makes a big difference.
Speaker 2: So I'm running into the problem now here in Sydney,
Speaker 2: of you know, I'm training and I'm looking for pools.
Speaker 2: The things I've run into now not being in an institute.
Speaker 2: So I'm not allowed to dive at pools. I've had
Speaker 2: that multiple times in out of different pools City of Sydney.
Speaker 2: Here they don't let members of the public dive off
Speaker 2: the blocks.
Speaker 1: Dangerous, dangerous, yeah, yeah, serious.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so members of the public.
Speaker 2: So you know, a rule for all which is just
Speaker 2: lacks common sense, and you can't take any sort of
Speaker 2: photos or videos at a pool for feedback on stroke correction.
Speaker 2: So we've been kicked out of a couple of pools
Speaker 2: now in Sydney for either diving off blocks or taking
Speaker 2: videos because I need feedback. I need to look at
Speaker 2: my stroke, what's my technique? And yeah, so that's the
Speaker 2: problem you run into, right, And that's that's just And
Speaker 2: you know, I'll stand there in my speedos while this
Speaker 2: small lifeguard tells me what to do with an Olympic
Speaker 2: ringstato on saying members of the public cannot dive off
Speaker 2: these blocks.
Speaker 1: And also you're you're sharing a lane. I mean you
Speaker 1: get I guess you get into the fast lane.
Speaker 2: At the moment, I've been doing my swimming at the moment,
Speaker 2: sort of eight nine am of a morning, so gone,
Speaker 2: most of the corpuses cleared out, and you know, sometimes
Speaker 2: there empty pools and there's a lifeguard following me around
Speaker 2: saying no photos, no diamond.
Speaker 1: That's so crazy.
Speaker 3: It's a bit silly. It's a bit silly.
Speaker 2: It's like going down to the local oval and a
Speaker 2: member of the council saying to an NRL player, you
Speaker 2: can't tackle someone on our oval because we're don't insured
Speaker 2: for it.
Speaker 1: There's probably the case, by the way, it probably is
Speaker 1: probably the case. It probably is so so okay. And
Speaker 1: just one more question about the Olympics coming. I heard
Speaker 1: lots of stories about Libbys because I'm good mates with
Speaker 1: Michael Delaney was in the what they call the meme machine.
Speaker 1: But was that they will shave the heads. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: him and then a few I can't know who was
Speaker 1: in the team, but anyway, who By the way, Michael
Speaker 1: has been quite ill and michaelf you're listening, mate, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm glad to hear your cancers under control, mate. But
Speaker 1: he was a backstroke in that in that one medley team,
Speaker 1: and he told me that the partying was fucking out
Speaker 1: of control, like it was mental and like it was
Speaker 1: like seriously full one. Yeah, is that is that true?
Speaker 3: Pretty much?
Speaker 1: Like you're more more recent Olympian than him he was
Speaker 1: back in the nineties or eighties when it was Is
Speaker 1: it still the same today?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Pretty much? Pretty much.
Speaker 2: London was was crazy because there was a heavy Australian
Speaker 2: influence over there as well. Plus everyone spoke English makes
Speaker 2: things a lot easier. Rio My Portuguese wasn't great, so
Speaker 2: that made things a little more difficult. But when you're
Speaker 2: an athlete, you find a way. And the big thing
Speaker 2: is a lot of these sponsors, and a lot of
Speaker 2: the Olympic sponsors whole events which are essentially just big parties,
Speaker 2: but it's for for you know, their corporates to mingle
Speaker 2: with athletes and the like. And so there's the Heineken
Speaker 2: House as a speedo party, there's an Amiga party. All
Speaker 2: the major sponsors throw big parties and when you're an
Speaker 2: Australian swimmer, you get great treatment.
Speaker 3: At all the all the big parties.
Speaker 1: So Austraine swimmers are that much lauded. And in other words,
Speaker 1: the world knows who as strange.
Speaker 2: Big time, big time, And I think for the most part,
Speaker 2: Australian swimmers are quite revered because historically we've been quite
Speaker 2: an insular team.
Speaker 3: We keep to ourselves.
Speaker 2: You know, even in an Olympic setting, the Australian Olympic
Speaker 2: team as a whole, you know, we're all one team.
Speaker 2: But in terms of expectations and pressure on that team,
Speaker 2: pretty much all narrows in on the swim team, right,
Speaker 2: and you often you sit back and go, oh, this
Speaker 2: is awesome. We've got some gold medals in track cycling
Speaker 2: or gymnastics or rolling or sailing. You know, that's they're
Speaker 2: almost like a nice surprise. But when the swimming's on.
Speaker 3: The focus is an expectation. This is our swim team.
Speaker 1: I remember what you called the scud the missile, the missile,
Speaker 1: that's what the missile? And what was that? Because of
Speaker 1: your your size and what are you six seven and
Speaker 1: sixty six six.
Speaker 3: Five six the?
Speaker 2: Missile no one can chase back to who gave me
Speaker 2: the nickname basically in the LAST i used to finish
Speaker 2: fast at the end of the, race and in the
Speaker 2: end of my hundred freestyle in the two thousand and
Speaker 2: Eleven World. Champs so When australian had never won the
Speaker 2: hundred freestyle at The World, Champs i'm not sure how that.
Speaker 2: Eventuated and the Last australian to win a hundred freestyle
Speaker 2: race Was Mike wehndon back in the year late. SIXTIES i,
Speaker 2: remember so we hadn't won a hundred three and you
Speaker 2: think about over the years had great hundred, freestyles but you,
Speaker 2: know it is the blue ribbon.
Speaker 3: Event it's pretty tough to.
Speaker 2: Win so that the way that eventuated You and there
Speaker 2: was a lot of hype around this race and the
Speaker 2: last say twenty, METERS i took the lead and started
Speaker 2: surging towards the finish, line and the commentator, said this
Speaker 2: is the part of the race.
Speaker 3: Where he's earned his nickname the, missile and it just.
Speaker 2: Stuck and then ONCE i got home back To, australia
Speaker 2: that was basically what people called me for the next.
Speaker 1: Missile that's, right BECAUSE i REMEMBER i kept thinking was
Speaker 1: a sort of scutter on a scud missile but same.
Speaker 1: Deal so and when you, swam when you're at your
Speaker 1: peak six foot, five how much would you have?
Speaker 2: WEIGHED i sort of hovered around saying ninety three ninety.
Speaker 1: Four, kilos so for sixty five for a six foot five,
Speaker 1: guy kilos is not particularly. Heavy it's not.
Speaker 2: Big, yeah it would always be for us around power
Speaker 2: to wait. Yeap but by the time you're, racing you
Speaker 2: easily sub ten percent body fat like you are.
Speaker 1: Lean and also there's a lot of is on surface,
Speaker 1: coverage so quite wide but not. Thick but, yeah so
Speaker 1: you could sort of plan because there was a lot
Speaker 1: of physics around spears and it's and you don't want heavy,
Speaker 1: legs don't be, dragging so generally, speaking have not skinny,
Speaker 1: legs but not big. Legs so you could sort of
Speaker 1: plan a little bit like a plan on the top
Speaker 1: of the FIFTH a lot different of the Way Ian
Speaker 1: thorpe was.
Speaker 3: Built, yeah, yeah, yeah he was quite Fix he's a.
Speaker 1: Big, guy you know WHAT i. Mean SO i want
Speaker 1: to talk to about the New olympics that you're going
Speaker 1: to just quickly explain what are they called and what's
Speaker 1: that what's the thesis of the whole?
Speaker 2: Thing, yeah so it's called The Enhanced. Games so essentially
Speaker 2: this is like a version of The olympics without drug.
Speaker 2: Testing anything that's taken has to BE fda approved and
Speaker 2: prescribed by, doctor so there will be checks in.
Speaker 1: Place but this is nothing, dangerous so to, speak nothing
Speaker 1: dangerous and it's. MONITORED i, guess, yeah things heavily.
Speaker 2: Monitored this IS i think this is an exercise in
Speaker 2: pushing human. Ability human physiology and. Science science plays a
Speaker 2: huge part in this science and medicine and the advancements
Speaker 2: in this. Space but basically the idea of The games
Speaker 2: is to bring on athletes who can break world, records
Speaker 2: current world records with.
Speaker 1: Enhancements so what obviously that means like that's like what
Speaker 1: would ordinarily be banned as a. Drug it doesn't cover
Speaker 1: every single, drug so you're not. Out they're doing bodybuilder
Speaker 1: type style point for, me, yeah because don't want to
Speaker 1: be too.
Speaker 2: Heavy no, no, no. No the things for me that
Speaker 2: are going to be super. Important firstly is going to be.
Speaker 2: Recovery swimmers do a lot of workload and for the,
Speaker 2: Record i'm trying to Break i'm going to be doing
Speaker 2: a lot of work in the gym as.
Speaker 3: Well so the.
Speaker 2: Record drawing a big fifty freestyle world. Record what is
Speaker 2: the current twenty point nine to one seconds?
Speaker 1: Hold who Is.
Speaker 2: Caesar, clo WHO i raced a lot during my. Career
Speaker 2: he broke it in two thousand and. Nine it's the
Speaker 2: longest standing world record in men's, swimming and it was
Speaker 2: done in the supersuits back in the. Day the reason
Speaker 2: being those suits that one year they had those crazy,
Speaker 2: suits the poly irrotate, suits the floating swimmers there they you,
Speaker 2: KNOW i think of that world record in That World champion.
Speaker 2: Rooms every world record was broken pretty much multiple, times
Speaker 2: most of.
Speaker 3: Them so this is.
Speaker 2: The last remaining world, record and it's probably the truest
Speaker 2: testament to human power and speed and.
Speaker 3: Acceleration it's the fifty.
Speaker 2: Three so there's no there's no, tactics there's no easing
Speaker 2: into the. Race basically it's full bore from start to finish, athleticism, power,
Speaker 2: speed and so it's going to be the best example
Speaker 2: of what can these enhancements do for an athlete's athletic.
Speaker 1: Ability so just take me through the. Race so you,
Speaker 1: know it starts off getting a good start, obviously but
Speaker 1: SO i just want to, know just take me through the.
Speaker 1: Twenties well you can go through the whole twenty. Seconds
Speaker 1: it's obviously power from the, start like in other, words,
Speaker 1: lead power to get out as far as you. Can
Speaker 1: it's the ability to do whatever you do, underwater because
Speaker 1: there's a lot underwater these. Days and then once you
Speaker 1: come up to the, surface it's about do you take
Speaker 1: me through?
Speaker 2: It like so essentially what we're trying to do at the,
Speaker 2: moment we're trying to get the best vertump in world.
Speaker 3: Swimming so that dive off The blox is pure.
Speaker 2: Explosion it's probably the most explosive movement in any sport
Speaker 2: because you go from this little crouchdown to position to
Speaker 2: horizontal in the, air so triple extension before entering the.
Speaker 2: Water so you go from relax to full explosion, horizontal
Speaker 2: then stiffen up again before you hit the.
Speaker 1: Water it's so where do you need the? POWER i,
Speaker 1: mean which part of Your primarily it's your glutes and so,
Speaker 1: okay and then once.
Speaker 2: You hit the, water then you underwater fly, kick and
Speaker 2: that's all about. Mobility so hyper mobility through your thracic,
Speaker 2: spine through your, shoulders through your, hips and.
Speaker 3: Again a lot of power through that butterfly kick and.
Speaker 1: How many how many butterfly kicks you do?
Speaker 3: Underwater i'll do about seven for the, Race, yeah and
Speaker 3: they have to be super super.
Speaker 2: Quick then you break. Out no breathing till the, end
Speaker 2: so hold your, breath.
Speaker 1: Take one, breath or you don't take the breath as
Speaker 1: you dive.
Speaker 3: In as you dive, in the last breath you'll take
Speaker 3: is just before you hit the. Water then you hold your.
Speaker 1: Breath that whole it was taking breath actually takes it.
Speaker 2: Slows you, down some little turn that's like that tiny
Speaker 2: it might, be whatever.
Speaker 1: It, is you might lose a stroke out of.
Speaker 3: It, yeah, Yeah and then it's head. Down the way
Speaker 3: we swim.
Speaker 1: God head, down head, Straight, yeah head down from a
Speaker 1: work ethic point of, view and the way we produce
Speaker 1: power from swimming from free style as we go opposite
Speaker 1: hand to opposite.
Speaker 2: Hip so my right hand hits the, water my right
Speaker 2: hip connects to, it my sling across my, body So
Speaker 2: i'm flinging down that. Pool my hip stays super, sill
Speaker 2: my upper body rotates quite. Drastically and then from that
Speaker 2: point to the, finish it's all power and.
Speaker 1: How much you rely on your kick where's the Kick
Speaker 1: in terms of contribution the.
Speaker 2: Kick it's probably eighty twenty upper body to kick the.
Speaker 2: Kick the main focus for that fifty freestyle, stability keeping
Speaker 2: those hips nice and. Still when you watch it ON,
Speaker 2: tv you, go, well that's producing a lot of. Power
Speaker 2: but IF i took my arms out of. That for,
Speaker 2: example IF i took kickout and swim that, FIFTY i
Speaker 2: might be twenty five. Seconds IF i took my arms
Speaker 2: out and kicked that, fifty, yeah thirty, seconds thirty one.
Speaker 3: Seconds so it's upper, body so you can kick.
Speaker 1: It you can do fifty kick just. Kicking you beat
Speaker 1: me IF i was doing. It if you struggling to do,
Speaker 1: Thirty so. Okay so then in terms of the, physiology
Speaker 1: AND i get the parts of the working in terms
Speaker 1: of the. Physiology in terms of your exercise regime apart
Speaker 1: from doing pool WORK xos regime in the, gym so
Speaker 1: you're doing power a lot of power, exercise.
Speaker 2: Yeah which is quite different to WHAT i did that
Speaker 2: during my let's call it my first. Career So olympic
Speaker 2: lifting like clean and, jerks, snatches a lot of, pliometrics,
Speaker 2: jumping broad, jumps high, jumps, throwing, throwing, balls throwing medicine
Speaker 2: balls and then low, reps heavyweight on your, squats some hipinge,
Speaker 2: movements maybe not a full, deadlift but something like, that
Speaker 2: a bench, press and then alsimmers do heavy chin, ups
Speaker 2: like heavyweighted chin ups like you mean With, yeah.
Speaker 1: They still do it like like not for this, event
Speaker 1: but just generally, yeah, yeah because they develop your. Lads,
Speaker 1: yeah and lats is a big part of the.
Speaker 3: Swimming you're just going to get out of the. Pool
Speaker 3: they always have that sort.
Speaker 1: Of, yeah the V so, okay SO i understand the.
Speaker 1: Regime where does the enhancement fit? In so how does
Speaker 1: the hnce the enhancement of drugs that you, take how
Speaker 1: do they enhance that?
Speaker 2: Regime, Yeah so Basically i'm not going to you, know
Speaker 2: use testosterone for the first time and jump in the
Speaker 2: pool and feel stronger and feel. Faster What i'm going
Speaker 2: to be able to do with which.
Speaker 1: One is essentially test test. Testosterone that'll be the first. Thing,
Speaker 1: yeah other other things on top of the.
Speaker 2: Testosterone, yeah so, testosterone, peptide stem, cells some other growth
Speaker 2: hormone or anabolic type substances that that will basically you,
Speaker 2: know improve lean muscle mass and.
Speaker 1: Output is there anything that is not, allowed.
Speaker 2: Like like a for, example a doctor would never prescribe like, trendline.
Speaker 1: Which is what to, me what that.
Speaker 3: Is so that's what your average body builder will, use.
Speaker 1: Right that's not an anabotic, Steroid yeah it.
Speaker 2: Is it is that'll put on the size the, fastest
Speaker 2: that will cause acne and back hair and shrinking, narts
Speaker 2: all those sort of like really intense side, effects really
Speaker 2: intense physical.
Speaker 3: Reaction will put size on the.
Speaker 2: Fastest will increase strength the, fastest but will have severe side.
Speaker 2: Effects that's the most common. ONE i would say in
Speaker 2: a gym setting.
Speaker 1: Trembline, trembline that's an anabolic. Steroid That so you've got
Speaker 1: certain other words a doctor won't prescribe because of the.
Speaker 2: DANGER a doctor wouldn't prescribe that because for, example a
Speaker 2: doctor would prescribe test austerone to most men probably over thirty,
Speaker 2: five because if you do a test and you look
Speaker 2: at your Test australian, levels most men will be at
Speaker 2: in that low range because of age and lifestyle.
Speaker 3: Factors that just is what it is in current.
Speaker 2: Society so whilst we'll have doctors who will prescribe above and,
Speaker 2: beyond it's not a drug that is, unsafe, untested doesn't
Speaker 2: have any sort.
Speaker 3: Of history of use and side effects on.
Speaker 2: It, so you, know the first thing people think when
Speaker 2: they hear The Enhanced, GAME i think it sounds a bit,
Speaker 2: sketchy bit. Dicey you, know science. Experiment all these drugs
Speaker 2: are out, there and all these drugs.
Speaker 3: Are being used.
Speaker 2: Currently beyond, that all these drugs are being used currently
Speaker 2: by athletes in certain.
Speaker 1: SPORTS i once spoke to HER i won't to say who,
Speaker 1: was but a track and field, person and that person
Speaker 1: said to me that he knew that all the best,
Speaker 1: runners not Necessarily, australia we're. Taking.
Speaker 3: Yeah i've probably had the same conversation with that same,
Speaker 3: ATHLETE i.
Speaker 2: Think but he knew and if he was in a semi,
Speaker 2: final he knew it was probably the only clean.
Speaker 1: One it, correct it was only clean, one and he
Speaker 1: used to get really pissed off about. It, yeah, absolutely
Speaker 1: and it was because it was well.
Speaker 3: Known the funny thing is swimmers is.
Speaker 1: Probably swimming, TOO i don't, know but it. Does it.
Speaker 2: Does i'd say so so that one of the statistics
Speaker 2: that The Enhanced games spoke with me about WHEN i
Speaker 2: first signed. On so THE, ioc The International Olympic committee
Speaker 2: did an internal survey of their, athletes a study and
Speaker 2: they asked those athletes under, anonymity have you ever taken
Speaker 2: or are you currently taking performance enhancing? Drugs the results
Speaker 2: came back now and they said to, me what do
Speaker 2: you think the numbers? Are, okay you'd hope, not But
Speaker 2: i'm thinking like maybe as much as ten percent forty
Speaker 2: percent of athletes in that survey anonymously like you wouldn't
Speaker 2: you just lie, anyway but anonymously forty, percent so they
Speaker 2: were taking or had taken performance enhancing drugs.
Speaker 3: At The Olympic. Games they go far, out you, know
Speaker 3: As australians were so.
Speaker 1: Heavily These australians know that this is athletes aroun around the, world, Right.
Speaker 2: I'd say, That i'd Say, australians if we had one
Speaker 2: percent of Our olympic athletes In australia on performance and enhancing,
Speaker 2: Drugs i'd be a, surprised be disappointed BECAUSE i know
Speaker 2: how stringent we are with our. Testing it's ACTUALLY i
Speaker 2: think it's a it's an interesting point around our. Testing
Speaker 2: so we spend quite a lot on our antidoping In AUSTRALIA.
Speaker 2: Asata with that money we, test catch and publicly shame
Speaker 2: our own, athletes whilst other countries in the world are
Speaker 2: doing everything they can to avoid getting, caught to avoid naming,
Speaker 2: athletes to avoid publicly shaming, athletes.
Speaker 1: And probably actually assisting in. Them to be correct WHAT
Speaker 1: i do.
Speaker 2: With these the, documentary you know there was a state
Speaker 2: funded doping and the ones running it with the antidoping
Speaker 2: authorities In. Russia so it's an interesting. THEORY i, mean
Speaker 2: if IF i was in charge of that, SPACE i
Speaker 2: would be spending all my funding On if we've got
Speaker 2: international athletes in the country form asata straight out testing,
Speaker 2: them can we send those athletes to some? Countries can
Speaker 2: we send them to some international? Meeta can we be
Speaker 2: catching athletes from other, countries because historically our athletes aren't
Speaker 2: the ones doing.
Speaker 3: This we're very clean as a.
Speaker 2: Nation i've in my entire, CAREER i never once was
Speaker 2: offered a performance enhancing, substance never came across, them AND
Speaker 2: i was at the tippity top from a reasonably young,
Speaker 2: age never came across them at. All but you, know
Speaker 2: we've got people Like Peter bowl who we publicly Shame wrecki's,
Speaker 2: terrible REKIS i don't know if you can Say wreckedy's whole.
Speaker 2: Career it's certainly wrecked that part of his. Career his
Speaker 2: reputation took a period.
Speaker 1: Of his life.
Speaker 2: Away and any time you, know from now until, infinity
Speaker 2: anytime you.
Speaker 3: Google Peter bowles comes, Up, yeah which is, bullshit but it's.
Speaker 2: There, meanwhile there was an article just came out that
Speaker 2: there was twenty three athletes from a country leading into
Speaker 2: The Tokyo olympics who all tested positive to a substance in.
Speaker 2: Swimming wasidden By, Wader it was hidden by The Olympic,
Speaker 2: committee it was hidden by The World Swimming, federation and
Speaker 2: it only came out because of investigative journalism. Recently and
Speaker 2: again it was just basically.
Speaker 1: When they're all still, competing they're still.
Speaker 2: COMPETING i think between, them they won about five medals
Speaker 2: at The Olympic, games including three, gold and our athletes
Speaker 2: competed against. Them we had an athlete in one of
Speaker 2: those events who was a world record holder who was.
Speaker 1: Beaten so you're not promoting, THOUGH i want this to
Speaker 1: be clear and on the, record you are not promoting
Speaker 1: the use of performance enhancing drugs in The. Olympics quite the.
Speaker 1: Opposite quite the. Opposite you are taking part in this
Speaker 1: to see just what. Happens, yeah if you did.
Speaker 3: WHAT i, think and as you get older and you
Speaker 3: realize more and more of.
Speaker 2: This is, happening and you know when you're swimming that
Speaker 2: there's athletes that you're racing now in. Retirement WHEN i
Speaker 2: heard that, STORY i look at those swimmers AND i,
Speaker 2: go give me what he's on AND i fucking bury
Speaker 2: it totally because As austraine, ATHLETES i believe we have
Speaker 2: some of the best, coaching training work.
Speaker 3: Ethic LIKE i, said we're doing it from a young.
Speaker 2: Age we're still out there winning on a world, stage
Speaker 2: but we're not playing on a level playing. Field and
Speaker 2: so give me what they are and watch what.
Speaker 1: Happens which is what you're going to, do just the
Speaker 1: enhanced games when there's people when are we going.
Speaker 3: To be late next?
Speaker 2: Year so The olympics Is august this, year looking at
Speaker 2: sort of probably Say august To november next, year can.
Speaker 1: You just sort of you might not be prepared to
Speaker 1: do it because of competitive disadvantage around or, advantage but
Speaker 1: can you sort of maybe look at it gives an
Speaker 1: outline of the stack of what you're taking now SO.
Speaker 2: I haven't taken, anything nothing, yet. Nothing i've started speaking
Speaker 2: when you start to do, this, yeah so.
Speaker 3: It's not far.
Speaker 2: Away so, basically if if you think of regardless and
Speaker 2: the whole WAY i became involved in this was.
Speaker 1: The.
Speaker 2: Boys SO i heard about the enhanced. Games you, KNOW
Speaker 2: i work in the, media SO i saw press releases and.
Speaker 2: STUFF i, thought very interesting, concept and most most friendship
Speaker 2: circles have sat down around, it you, know sat at
Speaker 2: the pub at some side at the stage and, said you,
Speaker 2: know imagine if you, know what if we gave you Saying,
Speaker 2: Bolt what if we Gave Michael, Phelps what if we
Speaker 2: gave the best athlete?
Speaker 3: Before, like what could they? Do could we have superhumans
Speaker 3: on our.
Speaker 1: Hands it's just a philosophical, yeah.
Speaker 2: Philosophical, ANYWAY i saw the, CONCEPT i thought very, interesting
Speaker 2: Very Peter feels behind, It peter tel is behind, It
Speaker 2: Aaron desuza is fronting. It there's there's also some other
Speaker 2: hedge funds backing. It so the most recent TIME i
Speaker 2: heard about, it, right it was, right we've got multiple
Speaker 2: billionaire backers of this games and we're pushing ahead with.
Speaker 2: It and that's the first TIME i took it, seriously
Speaker 2: BECAUSE i, thought you, know without the, funding it's all,
Speaker 2: theoretical still.
Speaker 3: Hypothetical so, right they've got the.
Speaker 2: Backing they named the sports they named, swimming, athletics, weightlifting
Speaker 2: and combat sports probably are boxing and, wrestling which pretty, interesting.
Speaker 4: Scary so named the sports that they named the backing
Speaker 4: and it oh you, KNOW i went on their website
Speaker 4: and you, see you know that they're starting to accumulate staff.
Speaker 3: Quickly So i'm, thinking, right this is starting to take.
Speaker 2: Shape how to chat with one of my mates about,
Speaker 2: it and we were chatting and he, said you, know
Speaker 2: are they going to be able to break because the
Speaker 2: enhanced games are, Trumpeting we're going to break all the
Speaker 2: natural world. Records and he said to, me are they
Speaker 2: just going to be able to bring on some young,
Speaker 2: athletes put them in performance enhancements and they come out
Speaker 2: and break world? Records so absolutely, not particularly those pinnacle.
Speaker 2: Events you one hundred meters, track you're fifty meters freestyle,
Speaker 2: swimming like those events have so much skill, acquisition time under,
Speaker 2: tension like there's so much have gone into to get
Speaker 2: to that. Pinnacle SO i, said there's no way you
Speaker 2: could just get an, average say college athlete and just
Speaker 2: get them on this program and they become out break or.
Speaker 2: Record it's not possible.
Speaker 1: Because a whole lot of other stuff goes into it so.
Speaker 3: Much, years years make the.
Speaker 2: Start and the reason they're not at The olympics is
Speaker 2: they're probably not talented.
Speaker 3: Enough so that's the first.
Speaker 1: Point so talent is still. Critical it's.
Speaker 3: Critical it's.
Speaker 2: Critical it's it's, genetics its, size its ability to handle
Speaker 2: the workload of thousands of.
Speaker 1: Laps and years at.
Speaker 2: It.
Speaker 3: Years. Years.
Speaker 2: Yeah so he said to, me, theoretically could THEY i,
Speaker 2: said not, Possible and he, said well who? Could AND i,
Speaker 2: said you'd have to get an athlete who'd either been
Speaker 2: there and done it before or you, know was mid
Speaker 2: career right. Now and he, said, well could they get current?
Speaker 2: ATHLETES i, said be, tough you, know could you get
Speaker 2: an athlete and say instead of going To Paris, OLYMPICS
Speaker 2: i want you to do. This, well you, know you
Speaker 2: can't compare them at the. Moment doesn't have the, history
Speaker 2: he doesn't have the. Tradition so he, said we do
Speaker 2: you reckon.
Speaker 3: You could do?
Speaker 2: It AND i, said, well probably probably if it was
Speaker 2: in my events and depending you, KNOW i hadn't done
Speaker 2: much research into the performance enhancement. Stuff AS i, said
Speaker 2: never have come across. It i've never taken anything. Myself he,
Speaker 2: said you reckon you could DO i, Said i'll. Probably he,
Speaker 2: said well what would it? Take AND i, say you,
Speaker 2: know and this is the throwaway line that you speak to.
Speaker 2: MATES i, said, ah Million, BUCKS i do. It he said,
Speaker 2: yeah fair. Enough then that was sort of the end of.
Speaker 2: It then the Hollow sport podcast bring me up and
Speaker 2: they're mid podcasts and they, say, hey can we chuck
Speaker 2: you on the? Podcast WHEN i asked you, SOMETHING i said.
Speaker 2: No drummers said what about this enhanced? Games so you
Speaker 2: heard about?
Speaker 3: It?
Speaker 2: Yep can they break word? RECORDS i said, again probably.
Speaker 2: Not you need the right. People and it just clicked
Speaker 2: for me for a. SECOND i, said here's a world
Speaker 2: exclusive for you, Boys Tom eddie From Million. Bucks i'll
Speaker 2: come on board And i'll break a word. RECORD i,
Speaker 2: mean you, know it's a satirical. PODCAST i guess you call.
Speaker 2: It and they were very excited about. That, anyway hang,
Speaker 2: up forget ABOUT i THINK i did that interview on A.
Speaker 2: Wednesday they released the pot on A thursday. AFTERNOON i
Speaker 2: wake Up friday morning and my phone is blowing. Up
Speaker 2: the lux during my. Career that's never been a good,
Speaker 2: thing is blowing. Up but it was you, Know New York, TIMES.
Speaker 3: Bbc sky and like every every outlet from around the.
Speaker 3: World And Aaron jesusa called me and he, Said i've
Speaker 3: got a million dollars in ESCROW us with this. Company
Speaker 3: you come on, board you break that world.
Speaker 2: Record the MILLION us is, yours which was a nice
Speaker 2: upside BECAUSE i little did He NOW i meant a
Speaker 2: million Aud but.
Speaker 3: The MILLION us.
Speaker 1: Helps BUT i can just explain to me, though is
Speaker 1: it you verse? As will you be be race four?
Speaker 3: Final eight?
Speaker 1: People, okay so but the do they choose the eight
Speaker 1: people or people can apply there are the peats and
Speaker 1: stuff like, that.
Speaker 3: Or not just be one out, final one out.
Speaker 2: Final so there'll be A tv product that will basically BE.
Speaker 3: I.
Speaker 2: Imagined by the time it's all said and, done you'll
Speaker 2: go A tv product that Goes boom fifty three, Style
Speaker 2: boom one hundred, track, boom, heavyweightlifting bom heavyweight boxing like action,
Speaker 2: packed not a three Week olympics where you're, like all,
Speaker 2: right here's the. Archery oh, good the swimming's. On, next
Speaker 2: back to break, dancing at This. Olympics oh, good back
Speaker 2: to the hundred, Tracks like this is going to be
Speaker 2: action packed and it'll be just a straight up final
Speaker 2: eight men all under the same. Guidelines the winner of,
Speaker 2: THAT i dare, say will break the world. Record, ANYWAY
Speaker 2: i know other athletes that are coming on, board AND
Speaker 2: i know quite a few athletes that are going to
Speaker 2: come on board After paris that are going to be
Speaker 2: fresh out of their.
Speaker 1: Careers so you may well have to compete against who
Speaker 1: wins the gold Medal.
Speaker 2: Olympics potentially DEPENDING i, guess depending on, age on their, risk,
Speaker 2: appetite on a number of. Things there's also you, Know
Speaker 2: Ridley scott has signed on Within Hands games to produce
Speaker 2: a documentary for The, Games so there's also going to
Speaker 2: be a what would you call like a personality aspect
Speaker 2: that will factor into who comes on as The games
Speaker 2: because like talent, Talent, yeah because they're producing a Document.
Speaker 2: Yeah there was a big, difference for, example Between formula
Speaker 2: One drive To survive and The Tennis breakpoint. Documentaries the
Speaker 2: reason being the Personalities formula, one those, guys the, egos
Speaker 2: the personality was huge and it was awesome to. Watch
Speaker 2: tennis was like there was an episode On, curios which was,
Speaker 2: awesome and then after that it just. Dropped, yeah, yeah
Speaker 2: yeah they may have may as well have done a
Speaker 2: full series on him because he was the only one with. Personality.
Speaker 2: YEAH i watched his, EPISODE i was, like, Sweet i'm.
Speaker 2: IN i watched the next. EPISODE i was, Like i'm.
Speaker 2: Done these guys are. Boring, yeah but so that'll play a.
Speaker 2: Factor but then so What i'm.
Speaker 3: Doing you've been.
Speaker 1: Chosen, hey you're. In, yeah you're, in but you don't
Speaker 1: know the other. Seven, yeah you've GOT i guess you
Speaker 1: have an, idea have.
Speaker 3: An idea of a?
Speaker 1: Couple, yeah any of your, nemesis not.
Speaker 2: DIRECTLY i would like my nemesis from The London. OLYMPICS
Speaker 2: i think that would be pretty. Cool really, YEAH i
Speaker 2: think that would be pretty. Cool or the current world
Speaker 2: record holder sees a Clo he must be say late
Speaker 2: thirties maybe, forty but with science and, medicine who, knows
Speaker 2: it would be cool to have him in the.
Speaker 1: Race how would they support? You, like, so, okay you
Speaker 1: get chosen you AND i don't know if that you
Speaker 1: have the seven are going to be in secret or
Speaker 1: you going to find it at some, Stage but how
Speaker 1: do they support, you do they put you through like
Speaker 1: whole testing, regime et.
Speaker 2: Cetera, yeah so they have quite an extensive medical team on.
Speaker 1: Staff australian Or.
Speaker 2: American at the, moment they're based out of half out Of,
Speaker 2: london half out Of New, york just because that's where
Speaker 2: the money is, essentially that's where the backing is coming.
Speaker 3: From but.
Speaker 2: Once there's there's still a lot to play, out as
Speaker 2: you can imagine this. Is AND i think WHEN i
Speaker 2: accepted the offer From Aaron desuzo probably accelerated the the
Speaker 2: inception of The games even more because the one thing
Speaker 2: they were missing was an, athlete was a face of The,
Speaker 2: games a credible athlete who had a history and they're.
Speaker 1: Not a, punder not some of who was coming eighth
Speaker 1: or did make it.
Speaker 2: Final, yeah AND i think the country that that athlete
Speaker 2: came from was important as. Well LIKE i, Said australians
Speaker 2: have a great reputation even in that anti doping, space
Speaker 2: that The australian swim team is as clean as it.
Speaker 1: Comes.
Speaker 2: Like we've had some blips on the radar over the,
Speaker 2: years but as a, whole you, know we've got an exemplary, record.
Speaker 1: Particularly relative to everybody.
Speaker 2: Else, yeah, yeah, yeah big. Time SO i think that
Speaker 2: was quite an important aspect for. Them so WHEN i
Speaker 2: came on board and suddenly they had a, face then
Speaker 2: things started to really ramp. Up and things have accelerated
Speaker 2: heaps even since. Then and you, Know i'm having meetings
Speaker 2: with them, regularly and the updates and the grandeur of
Speaker 2: what's going to, happen and some of the people that
Speaker 2: are coming on to get, involved countries that are bidding
Speaker 2: for the, games big name personalities that want to be
Speaker 2: a part of.
Speaker 3: It to the coverage, broadcast, right it's going to be.
Speaker 3: Huge you.
Speaker 2: KNOW i think there's one point two BILLION i believe
Speaker 2: watched the one hundred meter track final at The Olympic.
Speaker 2: Games ANYONE i speak, to whether they support these games or,
Speaker 2: not you asked them, afterwards well would you watch? Totally
Speaker 2: so if the one hundred meters tracked does one point two,
Speaker 2: Billion i'd be surprised if this doesn't do a billion.
Speaker 2: Views if they can package this into a weekend or
Speaker 2: a day or a two HOUR tv product like this does.
Speaker 3: A billion, VIEWS i. Believe and so the broadcast rights for,
Speaker 3: that and the broadcast rights the Broad.
Speaker 1: Super, bowl it's going to be like A Super bowl.
Speaker 3: Event the broadcast, part the broadcast rights and partner you,
Speaker 3: know will probably have somewhat of a say in timing of.
Speaker 2: It so that's why that hasn't been set in stone.
Speaker 2: Yet they haven't done an option for the broadcast rights.
Speaker 2: Yet but it's evolving so. Quickly so for, me like people, say,
Speaker 2: oh it's too, late like why are you training? Now
Speaker 2: and and will? Be you, know are you taking anything?
Speaker 3: Now if?
Speaker 2: Not why for the first Point i've, Got i've got
Speaker 2: over a year to. Prepare BUT i may be. PREPARING
Speaker 2: i may be racing against current athletes at the top
Speaker 2: of their. Game so as soon AS i said, THAT
Speaker 2: i got shading the pool the next day started churning
Speaker 2: out those, laps brought on AN S andc, coach got
Speaker 2: some advice around around the swim training, aspect and started
Speaker 2: training immediately BECAUSE i was acutely aware THAT i needed
Speaker 2: to get to the peak of my natural ability and
Speaker 2: that that enhancement part is probably the one two percent on.
Speaker 3: Top it's it's the it's the cream on.
Speaker 1: Top but what do you think your age? Now what
Speaker 1: a disadvantage would you put on your age in terms
Speaker 1: of time against the world.
Speaker 2: Record it's a good. QUESTION i, mean IF i had
Speaker 2: to guess right, now IF i And i'm going to
Speaker 2: have the ability of the super suit as.
Speaker 1: Well everyone Can, yeah, okay let's go enhance. Games. Yeah
Speaker 1: but also so he had the super suit.
Speaker 3: On, yeah the super suit, yeah so and that should be.
Speaker 1: Quick it should be.
Speaker 2: Equivalent that's WHAT i said To aaron WHEN i came on.
Speaker 2: BOARD i, said if we're going to.
Speaker 1: Do this a new supersuit or the super, suit the
Speaker 1: one that the same stuff that he was, Wearing we'll.
Speaker 3: Be happy with the original. One it's probably better.
Speaker 2: Ones they could have made, advancements but they haven't because
Speaker 2: they haven't been able to produce anything. Since so who's
Speaker 2: to say that LACK nasa won't come out and say
Speaker 2: here's a better swimsuit for this enhanced.
Speaker 3: Games who.
Speaker 2: Knows but at WORST i can have the same suit
Speaker 2: As Caesar, ciellow which is a huge. FACTOR i would
Speaker 2: say right, now with that super, SUIT i would be
Speaker 2: somewhere between half a second and a second off the
Speaker 2: world record.
Speaker 1: That's now right. Now, yeah the past time, trial you
Speaker 1: probably do a twenty one or something.
Speaker 3: Twenty one high yees say with that with that, suit
Speaker 3: maybe twenty one to five.
Speaker 1: Yep SO i need, THAT i need that last.
Speaker 2: Percentage But i'm grinding now naturally to get as closer
Speaker 2: to AS i. Can so the performance enhancing aspect tips.
Speaker 1: Me over the, edge but it needs to have a lesser. Effect.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: CORRECT i can't come off the couch and just, go,
Speaker 2: Oh testosterone's going to take you from the couch to
Speaker 2: the world, record AND i KEEP i have to keep
Speaker 2: reminding myself and reminding other people around me because you,
Speaker 2: know the people that i'm training, with the people that
Speaker 2: i'm with getting really excited because my improvement has been
Speaker 2: quite sharp over the. Past i'm into week twelve of
Speaker 2: training of hardcore, training and my improvements have been quite quite.
Speaker 3: Sharp you, know in the in the gym, sense we
Speaker 3: call them beginner.
Speaker 2: Gains you, know when you start a certain, program you
Speaker 2: start training for speed or, power and you get results
Speaker 2: pretty quickly because you haven't done it for a while
Speaker 2: and you quite receptive to.
Speaker 1: It but then your, platter then your.
Speaker 3: Platter, yeah so WHAT i need to do is get
Speaker 3: myself to that.
Speaker 2: Platter where is that platter at thirty three years of,
Speaker 2: Age i'm not SURE i haven't hit it, yet but
Speaker 2: there's new training and new methodology and different Things i'm
Speaker 2: doing now that makes me believe maybe maybe That plato
Speaker 2: this time isn't far off my peak as a twenty
Speaker 2: year old. Athlete but then that last part to take
Speaker 2: me above and, beyond to make me be able to
Speaker 2: stack up workouts one after the, other you, know swim
Speaker 2: super fast in the, morning lifts super heavy at, lunchtime
Speaker 2: swim super fast again at. Night like just that's that's
Speaker 2: What i'm being told by the medical. Professionals that's the
Speaker 2: difference at the. Moment LIKE i get up early AND
Speaker 2: i swim hard balls to the, wall and THEN i
Speaker 2: go from. THERE i, eat AND i go to the.
Speaker 2: GYM i get to the gym AND i sort of you,
Speaker 2: Know i've got to get myself going mentally and physically.
Speaker 2: Again half an hour into my gym, yet, Right i'm going,
Speaker 2: again and then by that afternoon Sleep i'm.
Speaker 3: Done, Yeah i'm.
Speaker 2: Cooked i'm going four years four hours of training is
Speaker 2: a thirty three year. Old you, know it's not the
Speaker 2: most normal thing for a thirty three year old to be.
Speaker 2: Doing but from all, Reports i'd be able to go
Speaker 2: again and i'd be, saying what's. Next you know that
Speaker 2: the medical Professionals i've been speaking to is have said
Speaker 2: the biggest thing you'll have to do is to be
Speaker 2: able to at times tone it down and it'll be
Speaker 2: a mind over body type thing because physically you'll feel
Speaker 2: like you can go forever and you'll keep pushing and
Speaker 2: lifting heavier and swimming.
Speaker 1: Faster than you'll tear.
Speaker 2: Something, yeah so that they, said you know you'll have
Speaker 2: to rather than saying that my body is, STUFFED i
Speaker 2: have to mentally get up for, this it would be
Speaker 2: my body is. FIRING i have to mentally wind down
Speaker 2: so THAT i can rest and.
Speaker 1: Recover so is it is it a chance, that given
Speaker 1: particularly during your, era there are a couple of people
Speaker 1: around your age And i'm Thinking Kenrick monk for, example
Speaker 1: he's be at thirty four to thirty.
Speaker 3: Five, yeah it'd be a couple of years older than.
Speaker 1: Me so would there be? People would do you think
Speaker 1: there's a jams Anymore australians would be in this group
Speaker 1: of eight because you, know, like, yeah it's all very
Speaker 1: well to. Sell, well it's get one from every. Country
Speaker 1: but in the finals when you were in The, olympics
Speaker 1: a couple Of, americans a couple of quite a Few
Speaker 1: australians would figure it quite heavily in every.
Speaker 3: Event in every, EVENT.
Speaker 2: I would Say australia is almost the riskiest country to
Speaker 2: put yourself out there and do.
Speaker 3: This in what is?
Speaker 1: That public? Opinion public?
Speaker 3: Opinion, yeah it's the it's the one, thing you.
Speaker 2: KNOW i had to have some tough conversations at the
Speaker 2: start with people around me as to WHY i wanted
Speaker 2: to do this. Again and you, know people in my
Speaker 2: LIFE i had a rollercoaster of a career high, highs low, lows.
Speaker 3: You, know and people in my life, said do you
Speaker 3: want to go through that?
Speaker 2: Again do you want to put yourself out there and
Speaker 2: open yourself up to, criticism to all that kind of,
Speaker 2: stuff and do.
Speaker 1: You really give a? Shit that's the.
Speaker 2: Thing, yeah that's that's the and that's the hard PART
Speaker 2: i think for me IS i learned at a young
Speaker 2: age not to care about people's, opinions AND i honestly.
Speaker 2: Don't the first thing WHEN i signed onto The, GAMES
Speaker 2: i said to my, girlfriend don't read, articles don't read,
Speaker 2: comments you, know don't read in, boxes, like just don't do.
Speaker 3: It that's WHAT i. DO i.
Speaker 2: Don't and people say to, me what about the? BACKLASHER
Speaker 2: i don't know about. IT i don't read, anything like
Speaker 2: who's writing about?
Speaker 3: YOU i don't know what are they.
Speaker 2: WRITING i don't care what about the, comments don't read.
Speaker 2: Them it's pretty easy as once you understand the aspect
Speaker 2: to deal with. It but my family and those close
Speaker 2: to me always take it a lot harder than. Me
Speaker 2: and you, know speaking to my, parents SO i, said
Speaker 2: do you want to do this? Again do you want
Speaker 2: to open yourself up to this? Criticism you, know haven't
Speaker 2: you had enough of? That And i'm a risk, Taker
Speaker 2: i'm a. Gambler i'm pedal to the metal with most
Speaker 2: THINGS i do in.
Speaker 1: Life well sort of curious, too like there's a curiosity
Speaker 1: associated with.
Speaker 3: This i'm so.
Speaker 2: Intrigued and this is the you, know the crazy thing
Speaker 2: about these, games like training again as an athlete is
Speaker 2: exhilaratings like addictive and if you think about for most,
Speaker 2: people if you think about when it was the last
Speaker 2: time you went down to your local park and, SPRINTED
Speaker 2: i mean everything you've got, Sprinted you finish that, sprint you,
Speaker 2: stop you get your breath. Back it's a euphoric feeling
Speaker 2: there's very few moments in life where you can physically
Speaker 2: exert one hundred percent of your effort of your, Output
Speaker 2: and there's something about. It even talking about it gets
Speaker 2: me gat. Up AND i get to do that now
Speaker 2: every DAY i go to the pool AND i just
Speaker 2: put the pedal to the metal and it feels, amazing
Speaker 2: And i'm on a high for the next twenty four
Speaker 2: hours TILL i do it. Again AND i love. It
Speaker 2: and so for, me it wasn't a big. Decision but
Speaker 2: for the people around, me they're not risk, takers they're not.
Speaker 2: Gamblers they haven't learned to cope with negative feedback or
Speaker 2: criticism or articles written about, me and they're the ones that.
Speaker 3: Probably do it the.
Speaker 1: Toughest so how do you reconcile? THAT i, mean do
Speaker 1: you feel like you're being? Selfish? Sure do you, think,
Speaker 1: oh someone might Think i'm being? Selfish? SURE i, mean
Speaker 1: do you sort of beat yourself?
Speaker 2: UP i thought about that quite a bit at the,
Speaker 2: beginning because WHAT i didn't realize UNTIL i retired from
Speaker 2: swimming was THAT i did live a very selfish. Life
Speaker 2: every DECISION i made in my life as an athlete
Speaker 2: was around will this make me a fastest?
Speaker 3: Swimmer or will it?
Speaker 2: Not you, know someone asked me to go to their birthday,
Speaker 2: PARTY i would be that black and white for. Me
Speaker 2: is that going to make me a fastest? Swimmer does
Speaker 2: that interfere with my? Training if it, Does i'm not.
Speaker 3: GOING i.
Speaker 2: DON'T i didn't put any deeper thought into you, know
Speaker 2: how will that person? Feel or you, know and that
Speaker 2: it's such a simple life as an. Athlete will this
Speaker 2: make me the fastest man in the?
Speaker 3: World will it? Not THEN i go for option a
Speaker 3: fastest man in the.
Speaker 1: World.
Speaker 2: Option but then you retired from, swimming and then you
Speaker 2: start to, support you, know a. Partner you start to
Speaker 2: think more about, you your, friends, businesses business, partners, family.
Speaker 1: And gets more. Complicated get us the life so much more.
Speaker 2: Complicated people, say you, know you have to sacrifice so
Speaker 2: much to be an. Athlete it's such a hard. Thing
Speaker 2: being an athlete is the most simple.
Speaker 3: Job in the. World it's the biggest privilege in the.
Speaker 2: World there's huge, pressure huge, expectation but life.
Speaker 1: Is simple as long as you prepare to be. Selfish, yeah,
Speaker 1: Correct AND i. DON'T i don't mean a sinister, way
Speaker 1: but so just thinking about my outcome a better word single.
Speaker 1: Minded single, minded, yes.
Speaker 2: Yes not, selfish and that was something that something THAT
Speaker 2: i was really good, at you, know in terms of even,
Speaker 2: now WHEN i kickstarted my, TRAINING i, Said i'm not
Speaker 2: drinking for the next eight weeks to kickstart this thing
Speaker 2: eight weeks and get my training on. Track my birthday
Speaker 2: fell in that eight. Weeks three of my other esmates
Speaker 2: birthdays all fill in that eight weeks brush, brushed, brushed
Speaker 2: all of it. Brushed and people are, Going you're, mad
Speaker 2: like it's it's your. Birthday have a, drink just one,
Speaker 2: Drink have a. Drink, no you, KNOW i want to
Speaker 2: be the fastest man in. History they, Yeah but you.
Speaker 3: KNOW i go. No And.
Speaker 2: I've got that ability to switch it like that and
Speaker 2: just say no to, anything and people around me find
Speaker 2: it incredibly. FRUSTRATING i don't know if it's the fact
Speaker 2: that they can't sway me or they don't understand that,
Speaker 2: ability because you, know so many people will go along
Speaker 2: with things in life and do things in life just
Speaker 2: to appease someone.
Speaker 3: Else's feelings or. Sensibilities but.
Speaker 2: WHEN i set my mind to something and What i'm
Speaker 2: thinking at this point in my, Life, Mark i'm thinking
Speaker 2: that this opportunity beyond that million dollars for the race
Speaker 2: that these games, themselves the, exposure the, documentary the things
Speaker 2: that are going to come off the back of, this
Speaker 2: this anti aging. SPACE i believe the space is becoming
Speaker 2: quite big in THE us. Globally, globally, yeah but In
Speaker 2: australia it's it hasn't it hasn't hit In earnest. Yet
Speaker 2: we're not seeing anti aging clinics pop. Up you, know
Speaker 2: there's still a taboo, around a stigma around testosterone or you,
Speaker 2: know men taking things.
Speaker 3: To decrease the speed of. Aging there's a lot of
Speaker 3: stigma attached on.
Speaker 1: Because we live in a very critical. Society, yeah and
Speaker 1: it's a bit like being better than somebody else, too
Speaker 1: by the, way like in this country you're better than
Speaker 1: someone else that you get taken. Down, yeah you've got
Speaker 1: to be the same as everybody. Else and if you
Speaker 1: and if you think you're better or you are, better
Speaker 1: then you're actually got a target on. You and that's
Speaker 1: An australian. Thing it's actually An english thing. Too it
Speaker 1: happens In england And ireland And. Australia it's not An american. Thing,
Speaker 1: no the other. Way and so you dare not stand
Speaker 1: out in the. Crowd otherwise you're your your your fair,
Speaker 1: game your fair. Game CAN i IF i say there's to, You,
Speaker 1: james IF i said to, YOU i just interested to
Speaker 1: hear your response and you might need to think about.
Speaker 1: It IF i said to, You i'll pay you a
Speaker 1: million dollars not to do, THIS.
Speaker 2: I think, THIS i think this opportunity far out weighs
Speaker 2: that million. Dollars, yeah fire out Ways and WHAT i,
Speaker 2: Think i'm? Why?
Speaker 1: Why what is it? About what is it beyond the
Speaker 1: million dollars that is important to? You is it the,
Speaker 1: experiment so to, speak like or is it more about
Speaker 1: how can we live a better?
Speaker 2: Life both the part about so even at the age
Speaker 2: of thirty, THREE i was starting to research some of this.
Speaker 2: Stuff i'm Watching Andrew Hubernemann's i'm Watching You You're Joe. Rope, yeah,
Speaker 2: Yeah i'm hearing them talk about this side of things BECAUSE.
Speaker 3: I don't want. TO i don't want to, just for
Speaker 3: lack of a better, term just age gracefully and.
Speaker 1: Just accept the. STATUS i don't.
Speaker 3: WANT i don't want to accept. THAT i don't want
Speaker 3: to get, SLOWER i don't want to get.
Speaker 2: WEAKER i don't want to lose, vitality, libido all those,
Speaker 2: things you, know all those aspects as an athlete character
Speaker 2: defining for, me my athletic ability is intrinsically linked with.
Speaker 3: WHO i. Am that's HOW i Identify i've.
Speaker 1: BEEN i don't want to lose what defines.
Speaker 3: You i've been the athlete my whole. Life AND i
Speaker 3: see other.
Speaker 2: Swimmers they, retire they blow, out they get, depressed they
Speaker 2: turn to. Drugs it's such a common. Cycle AND i
Speaker 2: know exactly two a million. Times SO i, retired and
Speaker 2: the DAY i, RETIRED i started training, again you, know
Speaker 2: in the, gym running doing different.
Speaker 3: THINGS i started.
Speaker 2: TRAINING i entered the race up, circular the Center points,
Speaker 2: HOUR i did the city to, SERVE i did Tough.
Speaker 2: MONER i just started entering things and training and keeping
Speaker 2: myself in. Shape and at any given point in those
Speaker 2: last five years Where i've been, retired IF i let
Speaker 2: that physical activity, slip or that that acting lifestyle, slip
Speaker 2: my mind slips quickly with.
Speaker 1: It so so your, Mind, yeah you're the stability of your,
Speaker 1: mind or maybe the happiness of your, mind relies quite
Speaker 1: a lot on your physical, output and perhaps even the
Speaker 1: competitive physical output being a. Competitor so because it's hard
Speaker 1: to do a high level of physical output unless you've
Speaker 1: got an. Objective, Correct, yeah it just. IS i mean
Speaker 1: way as you get, older it gets, harder and it really.
Speaker 1: Does it gets harder and. Harder and like WHEN i
Speaker 1: hit sixty, five LIKE i, started it just really hit me.
Speaker 1: Hard Like i'll still go to the gym every, day
Speaker 1: but just the intensity of training without an. OBJECTIVE i,
Speaker 1: mean WHEN i was, younger it was about looking good
Speaker 1: and all that sort of stuff and. Competing but, yeah
Speaker 1: so like it's sort of an interesting. Thing vitality is
Speaker 1: quite an interesting topic if and, look we're one big
Speaker 1: ball of chemistry and. Physics everyone stop talking shit like
Speaker 1: soul mine fucking divine. This at the end of the,
Speaker 1: day we are a whole lot of chemical, reactions and
Speaker 1: if our body is not producing certain, chemicals by virtue
Speaker 1: of things are working as. Well you, know your balls
Speaker 1: might not be producing the same amount of testosterone when
Speaker 1: you're you, know six years they were when you're, twenty,
Speaker 1: obviously because they've been gone for forty more forty years.
Speaker 1: Extra you, know that makes. Sense you, know just like
Speaker 1: a car or, whatever there's mechanics involved as a result of,
Speaker 1: that you don't have the same level of vitality vitality
Speaker 1: being meaning you, know the same amount of chemistry flating
Speaker 1: around your, system so there might be a. Dosage they
Speaker 1: might actually help you get back some of that. Chemistry
Speaker 1: most Of Joe rogan AND i talk about all the.
Speaker 1: TIME i, Mean, australia by the, way is not that.
Speaker 1: ENVIRONMENT us is that. Environment AND i don't Think Joe
Speaker 1: rogan or WHAT i don't pick on it With, joe
Speaker 1: BUT i don't think those people are doing it because
Speaker 1: they want to win a world title or they or
Speaker 1: because they you, Know joseph a jiu jitsu, guy because
Speaker 1: he wants to beat everyone in the jiu jitsu, gym
Speaker 1: probably everyone he's competing against us doing it as. WELL
Speaker 1: i think it's more about just having a better, lifestyle
Speaker 1: being able to do more, things, yeah for a longer
Speaker 1: period of, time instead of just accepting the status quo
Speaker 1: WHEN i turned sixty five or. Retire yeah, quietly our
Speaker 1: mother lawns and over a period of twenty years Old,
Speaker 1: carcket that's just.
Speaker 3: Bullshit, yeah it's bullshit at That And.
Speaker 1: I'm not, suggesting by the, Way, James, Sorry i'm not,
Speaker 1: suggesting SAY i should be doing doing what you're going
Speaker 1: to be about to. Do i'm not suggesting it for a,
Speaker 1: moment but WHAT i am suggesting is this is something
Speaker 1: that people should pay attention to because what you're about
Speaker 1: to do might inform us about something else that we
Speaker 1: should be considering or thinking about in terms of how
Speaker 1: we live a better life for a longer period of
Speaker 1: time without without the, danger, yeah without without putting ourselves at. Risk.
Speaker 3: Correct and when people sit back and, say why are
Speaker 3: people backing these?
Speaker 2: Games why has this got billion dollars billionaires backing it
Speaker 2: and so much, funding and what's the? Outcome that's your
Speaker 2: outcome if we sit back and watch a documentary at
Speaker 2: the end of this produced By Ridley, scott so obviously
Speaker 2: the highest quality documentary you can.
Speaker 3: Produce so we sit there and we watch these.
Speaker 2: Athletes we watch a thirty three year old athlete come
Speaker 2: back to their former, glory swim faster than any athlete in,
Speaker 2: history which physiologically shouldn't be possible at thirty, three go
Speaker 2: through the, process see behind the scenes of the, testing
Speaker 2: the medical, enhancements all of that, stuff and see a
Speaker 2: lack of or no side.
Speaker 3: Effects we're going to sit back and, go, OH i.
Speaker 2: Thought you know when people said, TESTOSA i was thinking
Speaker 2: of the guy down at the, gym you, know against
Speaker 2: the heart of his, boot and you know it ended
Speaker 2: up with hairy back and a Big adam's. Apple it's
Speaker 2: the stigma attached to it can be taken. Away and,
Speaker 2: this this this endeavor can actually advance humanity quite a
Speaker 2: lot and quality quality of, life, yeah quality of life
Speaker 2: for men and women around the. World AND i sit
Speaker 2: back and think about that and THINK i could play
Speaker 2: a major role in this, huge huge project and be
Speaker 2: almost a centerpiece of. It and you sit back and
Speaker 2: you look at, that and you go a million dollars like.
Speaker 2: Whatever like you, know you work hard enough in any
Speaker 2: industry over a period of, time you can you can
Speaker 2: earn a million. Dollars but to be a part of
Speaker 2: something that alter's history very, rarely and it may not
Speaker 2: it may not order. History you might not break the world,
Speaker 2: record but you've got to do these things in order
Speaker 2: to find it with you can or? Not, yeah you can't,
Speaker 2: say WELL i might. Not Therefore i'm not going to.
Speaker 1: TRY i, mean great, adventurers one thing about human human,
Speaker 1: evolution one thing where good good at is trying things
Speaker 1: that helps us evolve ahead of everything every other. Species
Speaker 1: and this might sound a little bit outlandish what you're,
Speaker 1: doing BUT i think it's a it's not me doing the,
Speaker 1: experiment but it's. You but at the same, time it's
Speaker 1: an experiment THAT i have a great deal of interest.
Speaker 1: IN i, Mean i'm going to be really. CURIOUS i
Speaker 1: definitely would watch that production of THE tv production Because
Speaker 1: i'm actually curious about what are the net side effects
Speaker 1: what you're going to. Experience AND i presume they're going
Speaker 1: to document this sort of, stuff And i'm going to
Speaker 1: say HOW i, feel and MAYBE i can't, sleep OR
Speaker 1: i can, sleep Or i'm sleeping worse or, better or
Speaker 1: maybe you become. Aggressive you don't become, aggressive you. Know
Speaker 1: i'm just actually really interested to hear about all this,
Speaker 1: stuff particularly since it's going to be t traded to.
Speaker 1: You so you're going to have doctors making sure that
Speaker 1: this is perfected for your, physiology and that basically what
Speaker 1: it means is that you don't have to go and
Speaker 1: become one of these gym guys who turn out looking
Speaker 1: like gorillas over a two year period because they're taking
Speaker 1: all this mad stuff you can actually just be have a, normal,
Speaker 1: normal more normal athletic. Phyzeke, yeah anything you're worried.
Speaker 2: About, yeah the reputation THING i don't care. ABOUT i
Speaker 2: took that on board pretty, quickly sat, down had to
Speaker 2: do some thinking about, reputation and THEN i, thought, right,
Speaker 2: well when it boils down to, it what is reputation
Speaker 2: at the end of the, Day and it's people's opinion
Speaker 2: of you for the most part that you don't.
Speaker 3: Know so whose opinion DO i care?
Speaker 2: About quickly thought about, that you, know and then spoke
Speaker 2: to those people and beyond, that people can think what they.
Speaker 2: Want that doesn't affect me the side. Effects the only
Speaker 2: thing That i'm worried about is. Fertility i'm thirty. THREE
Speaker 2: i don't have kids, yet But i'm getting close to the.
Speaker 1: Age he DOES i mean to go and get some
Speaker 1: sperm frozen or whatever the case may.
Speaker 3: Be, YEAH i. Don't, yeah, YEAH i probably will free
Speaker 3: some sperm just in. Case. Yep.
Speaker 1: Management, yeah so risk is something in news that can be?
Speaker 2: Managed, yeah, yeah, correct, Correct that's that was the only
Speaker 2: thought and the main one from from my. Partner you,
Speaker 2: know she's she's brought that up straight, away and my
Speaker 2: parents brought that up straight. Away that was the only
Speaker 2: one from a medical, perspective because people keep saying to,
Speaker 2: me these things are, untried they're, Untested they're not that
Speaker 2: they're actually not that they're created for a, reason they
Speaker 2: have a medical, purpose but they've been they're being. Used
Speaker 2: there's there's sports In america right now that the athletes
Speaker 2: are using these things as we. Speak you, know there's
Speaker 2: athletes in some sports playing well into their. Forties everyone, goes,
Speaker 2: oh they're freaks of.
Speaker 3: Nature they.
Speaker 1: Are they are in terms of. Talent they are in
Speaker 1: terms of talent, now but their longevity in the sport is,
Speaker 1: enhanced so to. Speak, yeah for. Sure and it doesn't
Speaker 1: mean it's, fake, no just, enhanced.
Speaker 3: Yeah, correct.
Speaker 2: Correct and so these things are already out there that
Speaker 2: it's far less speculative than. People first. Thing you, know
Speaker 2: they think you're doing things that you, know the that
Speaker 2: were being done in the nineteen to Eighty olympics by
Speaker 2: flow jo or you, know things have progressed a long.
Speaker 1: Way who by the, way you, know unfortunately passed away
Speaker 1: early because obviously they were not doing it in a proper.
Speaker 2: Way because she's trying to beat a system to hide
Speaker 2: it to probably using too much at the wrong times.
Speaker 1: Like, that that's why they end all the wrong things
Speaker 1: and the wrong.
Speaker 3: Things, yeah that's where this.
Speaker 2: Is it's so transparent And i'm in the process at the,
Speaker 2: moment talking with my own team and. PEOPLE i was
Speaker 2: saying the other, Day i'd like to just employ a videographer.
Speaker 3: In house full time.
Speaker 2: Document, It, yeah to follow me, around BUT i imagine
Speaker 2: like going to a medical clinic and documenting it and
Speaker 2: then me saying to camera, TODAY i took one hundred
Speaker 2: milligrams to test.
Speaker 3: AND i felt like this in the.
Speaker 2: Pool you, KNOW i woke up with a herd on
Speaker 2: like a sixteen year old in the morning AND i
Speaker 2: cried myself to.
Speaker 3: SLEEP i don't know whatever the side.
Speaker 2: Effects but just be completely. Transparent it's never. Happened, yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah it's never. Happened AND i think that's the awesome
Speaker 2: OPPORTUNITY i have at the. Moment and it probably fits
Speaker 2: my personality where you can YouTube.
Speaker 1: Series.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah sometimes to a, Fault i'm too honest about
Speaker 2: things and WHEN i speak, publicly but it kind of
Speaker 2: suits my personality TO, yea be one hundred percent transparent
Speaker 2: with this and just tell people this is What i'm.
Speaker 2: Doing this is How i'm doing, It this is How i'm,
Speaker 2: feeling and here's my performance.
Speaker 1: This swimmers Do vo two.
Speaker 3: Max we. Do it's pretty tough to do because you're
Speaker 3: in the water now that you're.
Speaker 1: Jumping do you get it on a bike or get
Speaker 1: it on a running machine and do?
Speaker 2: It there's a version of it. Swimming is it that
Speaker 2: we can? Do, yeah that we've done. PREVIOUSLY i Think
Speaker 2: i've done the bike. One i've never done the treadmill.
Speaker 1: One it'll be interesting to see Your vio two, max
Speaker 1: like if you take a like do a benchmark, now
Speaker 1: like you start it, now, yeah, yeah, yeah and then
Speaker 1: just watch it and then watch it as you progress
Speaker 1: in your, training maybe every month or something like. That
Speaker 1: you probably should document this like as you, say like video,
Speaker 1: videographer but then when you get on the, stuff then
Speaker 1: start to see how Your vio two max. Changes.
Speaker 2: Yeah the companies i'm speaking to An america will do
Speaker 2: testing on that as well because they want that for
Speaker 2: their own records as. Well but, yeah it'd be awesome
Speaker 2: to be able to do it all In. Australia BUT
Speaker 2: i just don't think where progressed. Enough we haven't got
Speaker 2: our heads around it enough to do the full process
Speaker 2: here In.
Speaker 1: Australia, yeah so will you When i'm going no doubt
Speaker 1: this is not going to happen until after The olympics
Speaker 1: because they've got to pick some people out of The
Speaker 1: olympics they want to put on the. Program, yeah and
Speaker 1: then it's going to happen sometime next. Year will you
Speaker 1: move to THE us to do your training and everything?
Speaker 2: ELSE i will Do i'd say camps and you do
Speaker 2: like a fight? Camp, ye do like a fight camp
Speaker 2: in THE.
Speaker 1: Us maybe twelve wed, Period.
Speaker 2: Yeah eight to twelve weeks with doctors with, facilities being
Speaker 2: able to dive off.
Speaker 3: Blocks i'm being allowed to film it a pull shout
Speaker 3: Out city Of Sydney.
Speaker 2: Council just, yeah with a bit more freedom to do,
Speaker 2: things to move around and to have. ACCESS i, mean
Speaker 2: theoretically doctors could prescribe all those things In. AUSTRALIA i
Speaker 2: just don't know if they. WOULD i think there's too
Speaker 2: much stigma That, look they probably.
Speaker 1: Get nervous that they're going to get. Canceled, yeah effectively
Speaker 1: by their own. Profession. YEAH i, mean and you, know
Speaker 1: look look at it happened To Charlie. Tier you, know
Speaker 1: like you, know obviously he's a good surgeon and basically
Speaker 1: it went against the grain and that doesn't work that
Speaker 1: well In. Australia, yeah so there's too much risk and
Speaker 1: as also you get dragged into. It so you're probably
Speaker 1: better off out of, side out of, mind tope of.
Speaker 3: THING i.
Speaker 1: Think, So and do you do it like like you
Speaker 1: don't it every day for the next twol? Months do
Speaker 1: you do it like in a? Period like that's a.
Speaker 2: Current that's the current discussions at the, moment trying to
Speaker 2: reverse engineer from the games when they'll be because so
Speaker 2: much needs to unfold after The Paris. Olympics i'd say
Speaker 2: the announcements will be made early next year around, athletes,
Speaker 2: locations broadcast, partners host, country all that kind of, stuff
Speaker 2: but be sort of early next. Year BUT i need
Speaker 2: to reverse, engineer like what's the optimal amount of time
Speaker 2: and probably to know some of those, THINGS i need
Speaker 2: to do testing and understand where my body is at.
Speaker 2: Physiologically now you know where is my testosherund? Level now
Speaker 2: whereas you know all my hormone, levels how's my? Recovery so,
Speaker 2: Yeah i'm Still i'm still split in. Opinion like let's
Speaker 2: SAY a cycle is twelve weeks sixteen? Weeks DO i
Speaker 2: do one cycle leading into the. Game So i'm peaking
Speaker 2: at The games And i've done a full.
Speaker 3: Cycle is that? Enough DO i need to do a
Speaker 3: couple of?
Speaker 2: Cycles or AM i going to be doing really low
Speaker 2: level dosages WHERE i can just do a six month
Speaker 2: period of progressive like.
Speaker 1: Every day every? Day? Yeah who's going to advise you?
Speaker 1: On this is pretty? Scientific so you get pretty? Scientific
Speaker 1: you a scientist or some sort of, Person so be equal.
Speaker 2: Parts the medical team from within The Enhanced games and
Speaker 2: my own personal.
Speaker 3: Advisor in that.
Speaker 1: Space and do they give that person to you or
Speaker 1: you have to find that.
Speaker 2: Person i'll find someone, anyway BECAUSE i wanted a second opinion.
Speaker 1: After russia for a.
Speaker 3: While they know the.
Speaker 2: Future, Yeah i've been speaking to some people at the,
Speaker 2: moment and the People i'm speaking with have worked with those.
Speaker 2: Names we've mentioned That Andrew, humans The Joe rogan's over
Speaker 2: in that same part of The, States so you, Know
Speaker 2: i'll probably get myself over To, austin.
Speaker 3: Meet with them and go from.
Speaker 1: There it's, funny it's sort of it feels like every
Speaker 1: traditional format of, sport, golf, tennis, boxing perhaps In Olympics,
Speaker 1: live the live type, stuff the destructor the. Disruptors you,
Speaker 1: know these are all being. FUNDED a lot of these
Speaker 1: have been funded out of super rich, people out Of Saudi.
Speaker 1: Arabia but you know there's plenty super rich people In
Speaker 1: america who are probably thinking the same. Thing let's disrupt
Speaker 1: what's always, happened and let's just see where it. Lands
Speaker 1: it is, divisive it may well. Be let's make a
Speaker 1: silly hypothesis half the world hates, it but it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter if half the world loves. It that's a big.
Speaker 1: Audience and at the end of the, day you can't
Speaker 1: make everybody happy in whatever you. Disrupt if you can
Speaker 1: GET i, mean it's a silly, example but if you
Speaker 1: can get half the world, supported it's actually quite a
Speaker 1: good commercial proposition For deal and his cohort from a
Speaker 1: business point of. View But i'd say what goes well
Speaker 1: beyond That for those, INDIVIDUALS i think they're probably thinking
Speaker 1: a bit Like. Live in terms of, golf are there
Speaker 1: people who want to see a different? FORMAT i, Mean
Speaker 1: Kerry packer was the first to wel series. Cricket how
Speaker 1: do we challenge cricket? Correct and a lot of people
Speaker 1: criticize the hell out of. Him but now it's the
Speaker 1: format one. Day it's just it is now the. Format
Speaker 1: and PERHAPS i don't, know but perhaps there might be
Speaker 1: in parallel and you might be part of, it you,
Speaker 1: know because the you, know and you remember the people
Speaker 1: who you probably won't be probably too, young but you
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been born, actually but the you, know the
Speaker 1: the you, know The World Series cricket individuals And one day,
Speaker 1: cricketers the names that he had to drag. In, yeah
Speaker 1: they were well known people like you.
Speaker 2: Are WHEN i look at those, disruptors the end, BENEFICIARIES
Speaker 2: i believe are always the athletes because options create increased
Speaker 2: funding that becomes a bidding. War when you look At Super,
Speaker 2: League Live, Golf One day, cricket whenever there's been, disruptors the,
Speaker 2: athletes they generally that the world equalizes. Eventually and you
Speaker 2: See live golf AND pga now trying to come to.
Speaker 2: Terms Super league AND arl came to. Terms One day
Speaker 2: cricket And test cricket came to.
Speaker 1: TERMS i See Craig james is doing the. Moment he's
Speaker 1: got the in the jiu, jitsu he's got the cg
Speaker 1: The CRAIG Cj games or something of that where it's
Speaker 1: taking ON. Ufc, yeah, yeah, Yeah AND i actually heard
Speaker 1: Done away being interviewed about it and he just, said,
Speaker 1: oh it's a great, idea even though you know it's
Speaker 1: sort of having sort of looking at competing WITH.
Speaker 2: UFC i, guess but it's a million dollar. Price, yeah
Speaker 2: the million dollars. Helps BUT i think imagine for the
Speaker 2: life span Of olympic. Athletes let's just use swimming as an.
Speaker 2: Example so most swimmers are done by late. Twenties let's
Speaker 2: say twenty, seven that's an. Average let's say they complete
Speaker 2: Their olympic, career they get to twenty, seven that they're
Speaker 2: a little bit beat, Up they've got some. Injuries they,
Speaker 2: GO i can actually now go to the Enhanced games
Speaker 2: for more, money for increased medical.
Speaker 3: SUPPORT i can heal up these, INJURIES i can.
Speaker 2: Feel, BETTER i can raise, faster AND i can prolong
Speaker 2: my career and provide for my family and the people
Speaker 2: that made sacrifices to get me to this point of
Speaker 2: WHERE i am. Currently because you, know as a Current olympic,
Speaker 2: athlete it's not that financially rewarding unless.
Speaker 3: You're your tippity tipitty.
Speaker 2: Top SO i think the biggest benefactors in all of
Speaker 2: this again will be the. Athletes we're going to show
Speaker 2: for the, world you, know these new methodology that can
Speaker 2: be used in everyday, life and that's. Exciting but for,
Speaker 2: athletes AND i know a lot of athletes That i've spoken,
Speaker 2: to they're sitting back watching this very closely thinking is
Speaker 2: this my next?
Speaker 1: Move final question for, you how much of this is
Speaker 1: exciting To James magnuson because he's the sort of guy
Speaker 1: who just doesn't like being told what he, is how
Speaker 1: he's going to live his, life what to, do huge,
Speaker 1: part huge. Part the first thing that's Very, australian by the,
Speaker 1: way the first, thing you.
Speaker 2: Know a lifeguard came up over to us the other
Speaker 2: day AND i was, swimming and he, said you can't
Speaker 2: dive on the blocks and he walked. Away and the
Speaker 2: first THING i said to the GUY i was, SWIMMING i, said,
Speaker 2: FUCK i hate being told what to.
Speaker 3: Do that's.
Speaker 1: Me it's funny How i've always been the same type of.
Speaker 1: PERSON i remember WHEN covid was, on AND i remember
Speaker 1: one DAY i. Walked you, know you wouldn't to go
Speaker 1: ANYWHERE i. WALKED i used to go up to The
Speaker 1: botannial guards because my off is not far from, there
Speaker 1: AND i just thought it was a nice sunny. Day
Speaker 1: it was the middle of. WINTER i, Thought i'm just
Speaker 1: gonna walk with The Batannon, gards gonna sit down in the.
Speaker 1: Sun be. Nice because my office was across the. Road
Speaker 1: and the dude walked up to me and he from
Speaker 1: the gardens, there and he said to, me you can't sit.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 3: MMM i was.
Speaker 1: Amazing no one, here they joined, empty so you can't sit.
Speaker 1: THERE i, said why CAN'T i? See they, said because
Speaker 1: of THE covid. RULES i, said what are you talking,
Speaker 1: about LIKE covid? Rules AND i, Said i'm not, Moving i'm.
Speaker 1: Staying and he, said, well i'll call, security call it
Speaker 1: if you. LIKE i don't give you a. Ship for
Speaker 1: a moment THAT i, THOUGHT i don't want to have
Speaker 1: to fight a whole lot of. Blokes BUT i got
Speaker 1: a head of steam up BECAUSE i just think it's
Speaker 1: part of the fabric of Us. Australians we don't want
Speaker 1: to do. It everyone else in the world has done like.
Speaker 1: This How australia. Started you, know all our forebears were
Speaker 1: people who were probably still on lofe for bread because
Speaker 1: they were because they were starving to, death or they
Speaker 1: Are irish living In liverpool because the famine had been an,
Speaker 1: island had gone across The liverpool to get a, job
Speaker 1: trying to get some makes to, live just AS i
Speaker 1: had to steal, something you, KNOW i look back On
Speaker 1: i've looked back on my mother's side of the. Family
Speaker 1: one of our one of her descendants or people she's descended,
Speaker 1: from got sent To australia for steel billing a coat
Speaker 1: in the middle of winter from a. Policeman was about,
Speaker 1: me but still that's what the person got convicted, of
Speaker 1: and we sent To australia on one of the ships
Speaker 1: as a. Convict but the person was just trying to stay,
Speaker 1: warm and we, are AND i Think cove is a great.
Speaker 1: Example we were being told we're not having a crack
Speaker 1: at vaccines or anything That i'm not in any vaccine me,
Speaker 1: wrong but just being told what to do all the
Speaker 1: time without enough evidence to back up whether or not
Speaker 1: it's actually the right thing to do or the wrong
Speaker 1: thing to do as, Well and what you're going to
Speaker 1: participate is in something that's going to try and perhaps
Speaker 1: solve that, question what is the right, level what is
Speaker 1: the right dost can we do or can't we? Do
Speaker 1: it doesn't make us have more. Vitality it's worth a.
Speaker 1: Crack and by the, way it's an individual's choice at
Speaker 1: the end of the. Day and it's not even being.
Speaker 1: Nonconformance it's just SAYING i got the ability to make a,
Speaker 1: choice And i'm going to make that. Choice and if
Speaker 1: you don't like, it.
Speaker 3: That's okay by me. Too, yeah that's, it And i'll cover.
Speaker 2: It.
Speaker 3: Sweet.
Speaker 1: Yeah whatever the outcome, is the outcome is my, body my.
Speaker 1: Risk i'll do IT i think is right for, me
Speaker 1: and it's Not and as long as it's not, dangerous it's. Okay,
Speaker 1: yeah SO i, reckon it's fucking.
Speaker 2: AWESOME i keep saying to people is you, know, people
Speaker 2: whether they, say you, KNOW i hate, IT i love,
Speaker 2: it or whatever their, reaction.
Speaker 3: Just be patient on this. One sit, back let it roll. Out,
Speaker 3: yeah you're not taking any.
Speaker 2: Risks sit, back watch it, unfold watch what, happens and
Speaker 2: at the end of this, process sit, down watch the,
Speaker 2: documentary watch my. Race then give me your. Opinion, yeah
Speaker 2: because now it's all. Hypotheticals you, KNOW i think this is. Bullshit,
Speaker 2: this you know, why just, Relax sit, back watch, it
Speaker 2: let it. Unfold let me take the. Risks i'm the risk.
Speaker 2: Taker i've done that my whole. LIFE i love that.
Speaker 2: SHIT i live in that. World let me take the.
Speaker 2: Risk you sit, back you, watch and then make your
Speaker 2: opinion at the end of.
Speaker 1: It some of the greatest discoveries in medicine, today and in,
Speaker 1: fact we have Two Nobel prize winners out Of West
Speaker 1: australia who took a, bacteria The hellia back To pylori,
Speaker 1: bacteria ingested it themselves to see whether or not they
Speaker 1: would cause an ulcer in the, stomach and they want
Speaker 1: A Nobel prize because it. Didn't and they realized that
Speaker 1: stomach ulcers largely apart from taking nassas and sort of
Speaker 1: some chemicals that may cause your, problem stomach ulcers are
Speaker 1: largely caused by a bacteria which they ingested themselves to
Speaker 1: prove the. Point and if they hadn't done, that we
Speaker 1: would never have got the answer to why we get
Speaker 1: stomach ulcers and therefore and we would never have worked
Speaker 1: out what the remedy for stomach ulcers are as an.
Speaker 1: Antibiotic and as a result of these two dudes Won
Speaker 1: Nobel prizes And i'm not putting up in The Nobel prize,
Speaker 1: category but it's sort of that's part of the. PROCESS i,
Speaker 1: mean we don't discover things about ourselves unless someone a
Speaker 1: person or persons are prepared to take a. Risk all
Speaker 1: the differences here is is it's been. Made it's a
Speaker 1: bit hollywoodish and that has been. Made there's a bit
Speaker 1: OF tv series made out blah blah blah, blah and
Speaker 1: there's a games and they're calling it a. Game it
Speaker 1: is probably is sort of offended a few, people but
Speaker 1: it is part of an experiment and we will never
Speaker 1: know unless someone tries. It so good, Righting James. Magerson
Speaker 1: i'm going to call you the scud missile now the.
Speaker 1: Missile thanks very much made and good luck to.
Speaker 3: You thanks, man